Black women in the United States die at three to four times higher rates than white women during pregnancy and childbirth, representing one of the widest racial disparities in women's health. This crisis is largely preventable, with approximately 90% of pregnancy-related deaths being avoidable through proper medical care, timely treatment, and respectful healthcare delivery. The disparity persists even among Black women with excellent insurance and access to top healthcare facilities, as demonstrated by cases like Serena Williams, who nearly died from a pulmonary embolism despite having the best possible medical care. The issue stems from systemic biases in the healthcare system, including inadequate pain management, dismissal of Black women's concerns, and unequal treatment standards, rather than simply a lack of insurance or resources.
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Welcome. I hope everybody's having a good Sunday, right? I know it's the end of the weekend. back to, you know, regular programming, right?
For, you know, for the people that work 9 to5, I know them weekends definitely aren't long enough. Okay, so I want to go ahead and do this stream that I had scheduled actually the other day. Um, but sometimes things happen, right? things happen and other topics at times need to be talked about. So, I put this on the back burner, but now I want to circle circle back around to this conversation because um you know, I'm like I like bringing awareness to these things, especially when I have my own experience in it now.
And I will, you know, clear that up here in just a sec. Okay, let's move this over here. So, let's talk about the black maternal mortality, right? And I'm going to dive in into what inspired this stream. Now, if y'all were here for the first thing that I did like a couple of days ago, maybe three at best about um black maternal health awareness month, right? So apparently May is Black Maternal Health Month and it's also in the same month as Mother's Day, right? So anyway, what inspired that stream originally to some degree? I was going to talk about it anyway, but there was a panel that was happening. Okay, so I will put the link to this stream in the description um once the live stream is over. But I was listening to this a stream like a few days ago. So, let me actually look up the exact date. So, three days ago, March 12th. Well, is that why is it saying 3 days ago, but it's actually 5 days?
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Cuz when I extend it, okay, show less stream 3 days ago when it says March 12th. So technically five days ago there was a live stream that happened over there on the Wilders wake up show and there was a question posed about black women being safer being safer with black men or the system and apparently that live stream inspired um by I guess something that G said right so anyway as I'm I'm in and out of the stream and So I get told to go um well not get told but I am told about the conversation that's being had and that you know it seems that men should not really lead and those particular conversation when it comes to women their bodies and their minds and their wounds and their health and all that.
And so when I went back and started watching some of it, I was like, you know what? I'mma save it and I'mma look at it with y'all because it was not only just interesting some of the perspectives I was hearing, but also it made me realize how sometimes disconnected men are when it comes to these conversations basically pertaining to women and once again their bodies and their health and things in that nature.
Right? So, what I will do first, I would like to look over the stream with you guys. Now, I'm not sure how long that conversation is, but I do know um I do know it was a um it was a conversation that was had. So, I want to look over that particular part and not necessarily the whole stream cuz the stream in entirely is like how many hours? Yeah. four something hours. Yeah, nobody finished their hair for that long listening to the whole stream. But like I said, there is a particular part in there that I do want us to take a look at. So, while watching this the stream on the panel on the stage, um as you make your way in, hit that like button right quick. You know, if you're making your way out because listen, I get it.
It's going into night time. Um, you know, a lot of people got to get ready for work in the morning and things of that nature. So, if you're coming in and you're running right back out, hit that like button for your girl. So, let me go ahead and add this to the stage. So, just give a conversation like I said that took place on May 12. So, this like five days ago.
And once again, this conversation was uh is centered around are black women safer with the system than black men because as I mentioned earlier, Cynthia G says something along the lines of that black women are safer with white supremacist than they are with black men, right?
Girl, he need to be winding down going to sleep. Okay. Yeah, it's so crazy because it's like, you know, he's starting to add more like to his little vocabulary. So, there's like certain like um consonants that he's starting to like reiterate or even like when it comes to to these vowels, girl. It's weird. But yeah, he's he been saying e E for some reason. Um e E um I think it's because of the the bingo song. E I cuz every I be like E. He'll laugh and then you know he start think E. Anyway, um so I want to like hear what the men's are saying in this panel and I also have like an article maybe two I would like to kind of look over with you guys along with this topic. Hey big bro, how you doing? the hey there tip. You know, I got smoked for this girl, right? That I didn't get a chance to address while I was on Candy's panel cuz, you know, one, I was having connection issues. And then to I didn't want to ruin candy cane good old stream with my little smoke the big bro mumu because on talking about the black mortality rates and according to and you know what I'm going to check it up to either that um maculus or infodi or one of them you know talking that crazy mess but you know what I'mma say that at a later date we're gonna talk about something.
So, are black women safer with the system than black women? This is the question that they're asking on this panel. But once again, let's focus on the black maternal um maternal mortality. Right.
So, fair use. Let's go, >> baby. Uh baby, welcome man. E man Williams, welcome to the show and answer the question before you go into your other commentary. Do you think black women are safer with the system than a black man? Um yeah, I think that black women are safer with the system than the black men. Absolutely. Um I think that I think that uh the problem is that we thought that we had to choose between the system and the black men >> and everybody said don't bring up that special community, but they became more wealthy by putting their women on the system and also keeping them. So I don't think the law was that women had to choose. They had to say one or the other. And we've seen other communities choose both. They get on the system and they got they man, right? But absolutely the system doesn't hurt them. I don't know what um what um Nish is talking about like >> my name.
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>> I didn't say nothing hurt nothing. The point >> Yeah. twin. A show was about to um give Mumu that smoke last night, but you I said, "You know what?
I'm I'm I'mma be nice tonight. I'mma be nice tonight. I was being nice last night on your panel." Yes, ma'am. So, yes, your panels do inspire a lot.
Please, if y'all don't mind, hit that like button. It's free. Please and thank you. So, as you see, the the topic is our black women's system. And so we have Eden man here. And Ed man is one of those individuals that I feel like that is um either some or a lot kind of disconnected from the conversation sometimes cuz I get, you know, whether people's experience, their anecdotal experience, their their environment, their surroundings, what they grew up as. Sometimes people don't see these things or they just don't know. But once again, I think it's really um a a conversation that men like because there's nothing but men on this panel right now outside of PH Diva. And so men are talking about um they're going to get into the conversation about, you know, the black mortality. And what threw me off was like this is something I'm not saying that we should all know or even have like a great knowledge knowledge about. But let's not act like these numbers are low or let's act like these are rare occasions or it's not the majority because regardless if it's the majority the numbers are still disproportionate because they're two to three times higher than our quoteunquote white Asian women counterparts.
Uh so one of the ways Edah man if we want to dive into that uh one of the ways the system hurt u women we could say uh the mortality uh rate >> giving birth the birth uh mortality rate >> so like women black women they they die at three times more than any other race in America.
>> So for example >> so so when you say the system you trying to include the the doctor they're not the system. Yeah, the the medical system is definitely part of the situation because they the ones that I believe Nidish brought it up today saying, "Hey, they believe that we have a stronger threshold of pain." Black women specifically. Also, recently um what's that the guy that is the head of the MAGA health department, RFK, he said he said that black people, they have a different tolerance to medicine. So, we should be tested. We should be giving them uh the vac these different vaccines before everybody else. So, Now I'mma rewind it just a little bit because am I mistaken? Did he say are the doctors a part of the system? So once again some people are kind of so far like kind of removed or don't think like the two correlate or even exist in that same plane like yes sir the hospital big farmer the doctors all that they're like we're all part of this in inside the system. Okay, y'all be good down there cuz I see Mumu's trying to start something. Maybe I did, but he's trying to start something. Oh my god. He said her first was having Jack second and definitely not trying to brag. No smoke to me. But see, that's the funny thing. You know what? Listen, I'm trying to be nice her. I'm trying to be nice.
So, what I'mma do, I'mma let this keep playing. But if you keep starting with me, we're going to have a problem. And I'mma pull up your text message in regards to Mother's Day. Like, this is the second Mother's Day you was talking cash money rabbit crazyish. And I'm not trying to put you on blab. So, like I said, we're talking about, you know, black women, black mothers, and how important they are.
Homeboy info douchy mu mac. I'm not sure which one said that. Um, basically said, you know, we are, what's the word am I looking for? It's a particular word like we're obsolete.
Like we just don't matter. Shout out to your daddies. Anyway, let me let this play.
>> Yes, that is absolutely a part of the system, the medical system.
>> Oh, no. Okay. So, when you say the system make I'm going just make it clear. just give you an example of how a system can uh hurt black women specifically more than any other race. Just giving you a version.
>> Yeah. But no, when you said system, I was thinking from a uh like because the medical system is an optional system, right? It's not when you when you say system, I was thinking more of like food stamps, uh section A, all that kind of stuff, right? When we started talking about medical, then we start arguing like cuz the black women would have to be a part of that medical system regardless if it was with a man or without a man. If if my sister was to go to the hospital, they still had to use that system. When you compare the two, I thought it was >> So that's what we probably disagree at, right? So it's plenty of communities that they don't go to this.
>> I hit the wrong damn button. That's my fault. I'm doing too much. I'm moving too fast. Right. So bear with me. I'm sorry about that.
Okay. So it went all the way back. So this what I'mma do. Let me fast forward.
Let me fast forward. So, I'm guessing that um he is separating the hospital system from ambulance. They got their own people doing the birthing. They got their own village doctor. Uh especially over here in New York. Like it's only them that's giving birth to them.
Like you have to be like in a cab and somewhere else and you just have no choice but to push it out through throughout your belly. Right. So it is uh communities that figured out ways to uh take care of they own within the medical uh system.
>> No. No. So so it sound like you trying to say in the medical system you believe 51% or more is bad for black women because obviously we understand if you have more money with higher insurance you get better care. Correct.
>> Absolutely not. Correct. Absolutely not.
And I want to stop right here because it's something I want us to look at because once again sometimes um when people are disconnecting from reality in a way where that sometimes you know the idea that money and it can uh can can supply you with like unlimited uh amount of resource and needs and things like that and you would think well if you have more money or resources that were good Right. Um, not necessarily. And this is why I'mma say this. Right. So, this is the Huff Huffington pose. I I call it the Huff Huffington pose. I think it's just Huff Pose, but I swear this might be um a Mandela effect. I swear it was called the Huffington Pose at one point. So, anyway, there's an article, right?
Let's take a look. Okay. Shout out to MJ. Can't feed your baby. Yeah. Yeah.
Then don't have a baby.
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Salute the panel and chat. Oh, good to see you. Hope all is well with you this evening. So, let's take a look at this article right quick. And actually, there's like a video attached to it that I wanted to look at cuz he's talking about money, right? When you have more money, you have better access to healthcare and things like that. I want y'all to hear that one more time so we know where we're going with this.
>> That they own within the medical uh system.
>> No. No. So, so it sound like you trying to say in the medical system you believe 51% or more is bad for black women because obviously we understand if you have more money with higher insurance you get better. Correct. And we're not saying that that's >> Yeah, you're definitely not correct in that either man. And let's take a look at this. So, black maternal mortality is an ongoing crisis and doctors continue to sound the alarm.
It was written May 5th of this year. Okay. So, maternal fetal medicine and family medicine physician stressed that we must keep fighting.
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Okay. So it says fetal okay maternal fetal medicine and family med medicine physician stress that we must keep fighting the glaring disparity in maternal mortality rates in the US.
Okay. So let's take a quick look at this video. Let me turn up the Okay.
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Serena's terrifying terrifying birth story is way too familiar. All right, so the reason why cuz I remember listening to this, right?
And Serena Williams is one of the celebrities that came to mind because once again, this is a well-known uh famous tennis player like if not the best beside her sister like black woman out there when it comes to tennis.
tennis great um great Serena Williams opened up about the multiple health complications she faced after delivering her daughter Alexis Olympia.
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Her experience rings particularly true for black women in the United States who are the who are three to four times and I said two to three who are three to four times more likely to die from pregnancy or child birth complication than their white mothers is one of the widest Why does it keep going down? Hold on y'all. I'm sorry. My bad.
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It's one of those widest of all racial dispar disparities in women's health.
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In some parts of the country, the maternal mortality gap is growing even wider and it impact. Okay. Impacts impact black women of all social economics.
William hopes. Okay. William hopes highlighting the issue will help bring chance.
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Okay, forgive um me and Huffington Post act like it don't want me to be great and I don't know why it's showing this stuff. I don't want to see it. So, basically, Serena Williams is a well-known prominent tennis player. um that mo like anybody from any racial background would know and had uh these kind of issues.
Okay, hold on. We have a lot of work to do as a nation. I hope my story can inspire a conversation that get us close to the gap. And this was a comment she made on Facebook January 15th, 2018.
Okay, let's let me be clear. Every mother, regardless of racial or race or background, deserve to have a healthy pregnancy and child birth.
All right. So, that's just some of the little things in regards to Sylvia Williams. So once again, if it was about uh the best insurance, more money, like I said, people with money, I'm sure would have access to, you know, probably resources that I probably wouldn't have.
But even with the quote unquote unlimited resources or you know better insurance, the the the rate that she's paid or how much she get paid, she still faces the same thing that black women face far as when it comes to the mortality of black women. So black women in United States have the highest maternal morality rate of any racial group and it's crisis that should alarm everyone. Stories of black women either nearly dying or dying during during or following child birth have made headlines over the years. In 2018, tennis legend Serena Williams revealed that she nearly died after giving birth.
She detailed an episode in which a nurse, let's say this again, she detailed an episode in which a nurse did not immediately act on her concern that she had plen plenominary and blasmism. I hope I'm saying that right. Botilism and botilism um balism okay a blockage in the lung artery caused by blood clots. In 2024, Christy Anderson, a longtime Candace city chief cheerleader, died after giving birth to a stillborn. Okay. In January, a midwife named Janelle's Green Smith, I remember that, died after complication from childbirth. There are so many more untold stories of black women dying during or after childirth across the US. The racial disparities in the maternal morality morality continue to need our attention. Black women are at least three times more likely than white women to die around the time of child birth. According to a center for disease, basically the C CDC uh disease control and prevention report published in March that cited data from 2024. It's important for the public to understand that black maternal mortality crisis is an American issue and that it should matter to everyone, said Dr. Jacqueline Haritin, assistant professor of um what she doing? Um I know obgyn maternal fetal medicine at Northern University School of Medicine and Northern Medicine physician. So this article alone is basically breaking down how there is a huge gap when it comes to the mortality rate for um black women giving birth compared to white women, right? And so the idea that someone like Edman, like I said, when it comes to the conversations, I think men should be more in the position of listening cuz in this situation, I really feel like PA Diva should lead it.
PA Diva with the being the only woman on the panel should be leading the conversation. But I don't know if she had kids or not, right? I'm not sure. I don't I don't know if she had kids or not. I don't know if that even matter.
Um the point I'm making is that the fact that you know the idea because say black women have um are like part of the high hierarchy. So, uh, someone like Serena Williams have access to ultim ultimate healthcare, but the thing that people are missing, those are still black women. And for the most part, black women's concerns are not taken um, in enough serious seriousness to the point where a lot of these issues are preventable. 90% of these issues are preventable when it comes to um black women whether she's pregnant during child birth or post. uh that if if the doctors even or even the nurses cuz it seemed like the nurses in a lot of these cases are the ones that are kind of like um you know not showing a lot of empathy and more like oh well that's normal or don't raise like eyebrow for concern cuz I'm sorry if I come and tell you hey something doesn't feel right and you tell me well that's normal some things like I get there's like a say there's like a a a a fact sheet like a checklist of different symptoms or effects that may happen, right? Cuz you know when you get like if you get a medication for the most part the side effects on the medication are listed some of the things that you may deal with. But I feel like because and I think it becoming more prominent um in these days of times you know women are having um birthing classes you know they're talking more with the OB/GYN or they have they have doulas midwife the this information is given to the mothers based on uh I feel like the knowledge of the care provider but I think sometimes when you're just kind of following a checklist not realizing each individual different in regards ards to how they feel, what they're going to deal with, and things like that. I don't think that should be um taken lightly. But once again, when you are in a system where they feel like black people in general have a higher t pain tolerance, that's a whole different conversation.
>> No, that's not correct. Because it's black women that are highly successful, they still have to fight within that realm as well. Um recently um noted person um Kyla Pratt said that she was telling the doctor that she is and she is a successful woman that makes plenty of money and she told her doctor a private doctor that she was in pain and then they told her no you'll be okay we're not going to uh do anything about it. So it's happening on all levels of um financial income.
>> I don't know. So >> all right thank you Sean for making that plain. Hey creative how you doing? Good to see you. Hope you're doing well this evening. So, y'all made it on time. Hey, Brownie. Hey, girl. Hey. How you doing?
Good to see you. So, we're talking about black maternal mortality. And so, here's the thing, right? I don't want this to be looked at as something where it's like turning women off um from having children. No, that's not the thing. I want to make it aware that you're basically adult woman. Oh, sorry baby.
We're close to guess who we're giving birth. And that's one thing people tend to overlook is how close we are to that.
And so the fact that there are scenarios where it's it's making headlines, right?
It's scenarios out here where people, women, black women in particular, are being ignored. Their concerns are being ignored. Their um support system like their partner, their husband, or you know, say their family member are being their advocate and they're being ignored.
I showed some examples of that in my last stream. um Akira Johnson using her as an example where she died because her husband was trying to tell the nurse trying to tell the staff like, "Hey, my my my wife said, you know, something's wrong. She's in pain." yada yada yada. And you know, they wrote it off as like, "Well, you know, that normal. She had a what a C-section. That's normal." And it's, you know, once again, instead of doing the due diligence and looking into it, come to find out, um, either she had some internal bleeding going on or it was something going on that they didn't check right away and if they would have got to it and ample time, she will still be with us to today. So the fact like someone like Serena Williams has her own experience and once again she is well renowned she is known I'm sure she has let's see what her net worth is it shouldn't matter right but my point in bringing that up because either man just said well you know if you have great insurance or you have money you know that shouldn't be an issue you would think right you would think like someone like Sina Win would have access to the best carrot in the world. But um I just want to see what the AI So far as 2026 estimated around 350 million. So you would think someone who has a net worth of 350 million would have like the best health care known to man, right? You would think the doctors would kind of, you know, and I'm not saying that they should play like a classism thing was like, okay, well, more money, I'mma treat you better. But once again, the idea that, you know, sometimes there are men that think, well, if she had access, you know, um, to better health care or better insurance or whatever that she wouldn't have these problems. Come here cuz you sleepy.
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Okay. So, anyway, let's listen to some more of this >> on all levels of um financial income.
>> Hold on. No. So, I'm trying to figure out you think if someone in pain and the doctor believe that they should not quote unquote get medicine based on their professional, that's abuse.
>> Yes.
All right. I didn't realize I was on mute and I was talking this whole time.
Okay. What I was saying was so you see how once again in in the in that man's mind it goes straight to pain. So if a doctor said that you know uh he should have any medication cuz he's in pain. The doctor said no. You think that's abuse? Yes.
What are we talking about? And once again, we're not talking about a person.
We're not just talking about some regular old dear pain. I'm not saying regular dear pain, but we're not just talking about a woman in pain. We're talking about a woman who is going through labor who giving birth. And sometimes after, you know, giving birth, there may happen. So, if your wife tells you, "Oh, something don't feel right.
I'm in pain." If the doctor say, "Oh, she all right." You're going to say, "Okay, well your doctor says she all right. You all right?" Is that what you going to do?
Ether, man. You going to know your wife?
I doubt it because I don't want to bring up the fact who somebody married to, but it going to be brought up.
I ain't going to do it. It It will be brought up >> because if it's happening three times more than everybody else, absolutely.
So, if something is happening to me at a disproportionate rate, yes, it is something wrong with that. That is abuse.
So I gota saying so you're saying those doctors that believe that black women can have more tolerance to pain that those doctors are not abusing the system.
>> No, like like I said, my wife comes from the medical field, right? And I understand how doctors first.
>> So this is what gets me too. I'm not saying people that are married to um you know their spouses are doctors or whatever that you may like that that person may not have like whatever knowledge of certain things but you got to understand not only your wife as a doctor but she's Asian should that matter that shouldn't matter but using your wife as an example and she's Asian most likely right because once again This is about black women's mortality rate. And so just listen to I didn't want to say maybe the the lack of knowledge, right? Cuz sometimes some people think they know everything but really know nothing. That's energy that gives.
>> My wife comes from the medical field, right? And I understand how doctors >> first doctors >> No, no. If if a doctor have assessed the patient and feel that the patient doesn't need medicine, I don't I don't think that's abuse.
>> Wow.
>> At that point, we like trying to say that their life is like like >> So once again, we're not talking about and when I say a regular dular patient, I'm talking about we're talking about black women dealing with post delivery pain or feelings or whatever or prior.
Sometimes they go into it not feeling right, okay, and don't be ignored. So, the fact that he right off the bat is saying, "Oh, well, if the doctor says, you know, or uh assesses the patient and look at the patient say, well, you know what? You're not in that much pain or you don't need no medication, then it's beyond that. We're talking about a pregnant woman here. Am I missing something? Am I reaching?" Cuz I don't want to be reaching something that shouldn't be reached for. But this is where I feel like men should not lead in these particular conversations because it it's like I'm not saying they don't care or maybe they just don't know but the fact that you're comparing this to somebody who let's say you know might have had some kind of surgery and even though C-section a cescareian is is still surgery I can't imagine that level of pain. I'm telling you, when I was pregnant, I was like, I do not want to have a C-section.
By all means, I just knew because I was little for some reason that they're gonna try their best to convince me have a C-section. And they did even mention it at some point because like my placenta was low, but it ended up moving like up to where it was out the way, but my placenta was low. So, it was like one of those things where if it remained where it was, that was going to be the next step. And I was like, "Please, please, please, please. I do not I do not want to have a C-section cuz I for one, I don't want to be cut open. I haven't had no body surgeries. I never broken a bone, none of that. So, I was really hoping on the fact that I would not have a C-section cuz think about it, layers are being cut open. So, not only are you healing from the fact that you just gave birth, even though that's still a form of giving birth, even though it wasn't vaginally, but you're now you're healing from being cut on, that's a whole another level of healing, sitting your ass down. And you know how hard it kind of is to do that when you just had a baby, especially if you're up every two hours feeding your kid and then you're having to go like, listen, no, no, no. I just knew I did not want those problems. I really didn't. But once again, there are women out there that didn't have a choice. They had to have emergency C-section. Maybe it was scheduled, so they did have a choice. They rather have that or maybe with complications in having a a vaginal birth, and so a C-section is the way to go. But either way, that's what we're talking about here.
We're not just talking about somebody going to the doctor's office trying to get the prescription filled because, you know, it sound like he's trying to say is the person addicted to pills or a person is addicted to pills or this is what they're trying to do. Like it's beyond that conversation right now and it's weird.
>> This this is the thing that I like about when we have these conversation. We always come from the perspective like okay the patient must be right. Like we have like it's not a whole group of people out here selling medicine like so >> what see what did I say? So just to give y'all a heads up I did not watch this whole thing. I remember watching the stream I was in and out right and so this was the part that I missed out on but I was told about so I said you know what let me go listen to it. So I listened to just a little bit just the beginning. I didn't even get this far.
Last thing you know I'm going to save this for the stream. So once again, he's speaking as if he's talking about somebody that is quote unquote, I guess, addicted to pills. Like we know there people out here that sell pills. So you really think people like what we talking about? What they got to do with black women and their mortality rate?
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Go ahead. So ether man if I'm in the hospital with you and you telling me you are in pain you need something for your pain and the doctor come and touch you and says ah he's acting that's not real his pain tolerance is much higher than the average person he doesn't need whatever this thing is you're saying I should agree with that doctor and I believe you >> uh I what I'm saying is yes if if we say that he's a medical doctor and he got medical experience and You going to say that his degree count for something?
That's the case. We shouldn't have doctors doing prescriptions. Not >> y'all hear that [ __ ] The hell?
That's suspicious.
That's suspicious.
>> That's weird.
>> That's weird.
Let's bring that back one more time because I I I didn't hear what I thought I just hear, did I?
Yes. If if we going to say that he's a medical doctor and he got medical experience and we going to say that his degree count for something, that's the case, we shouldn't have doctors doing prescriptions. But I'm just saying I grew up in Georgia and I knew a whole bunch of about women selling percoet in men. It was just it's just >> I knew a lot of women about selling percoet. Do you hear this [ __ ] So once again, now I don't disagree on the fact that the doctor, he has a degree, he has medical experience, he went to school for this, but I still are I'm still in agreement that just because you're a doctor don't mean you know everything.
Why they call it practicing medicine for? Why is it a practice and not a know? How do you get in the know? You practice, right? And how do you learn these things? By experience.
Okay, you can go to school, you can read the book, learn the lessons, but until you get hands-on experience, it's like it makes me think like, okay, like with AI and robots and how they quote unquote don't have feelings and things like that. So, I can't expect a robot to think quote unquote emotionally. Now, once they turn in into Sony, Sunny, ain't that what his name from Robot was? where he can dream and he have feelings and [ __ ] like that.
Okay, then that's a different story. But my point is you're speaking on like he's speaking in absolute. So because the doctor said and he had the medical experience, he had the degree that's basically telling me that the doctor should ignore what I'm saying how I'm feeling and go with his assessment because oh there's women out here selling perus that men do it too. And I think once again that's a way to deflect from what's being talked about here. the the the topic should be about black women dying at a higher rate, a preventable situation just because just because they wasn't tend to too fast enough, their concerns wasn't taken seriously.
And someone like Eden man who who whose wife is a doctor, you would think his response would be a little bit different, but you know his response is no different from a Dr. Jackie Jacqueline Walters who said, "Well, you know, black women cry." Woo!
They be in my office 24 times, 25 times, just trying to get out of work. And this hoe never gave birth a day in her life, which would be understandable. I get it.
If you don't have that experience, you wouldn't know. Hey, beautiful one. How you doing? Hope you're doing good this evening. Good to see you.
I hope so, too. Maybe, maybe he will, maybe he won't. I don't know that. You know what I'm saying? But what's crazy to me is that the fact people are really like sometimes oblivious or they choose to ignore what's right in their faces because that they have a narrative for themselves that they're trying to push.
So the narrative I feel like either man's trying to push in this scenario is well you know people out there string out. They will go to the doctor and say they in pain but if the doctor hit them on the knee a couple of times and they don't reflect fast enough then doctor going to send them on their way. Now I made that part up. I just threw that in there. But you you catch my drift, right? You catch my drift. Hey R. How you doing? Good to see you. Hope you're having a good evening. We also have Envy. Envia, hello. Never seen you around here before, but good evening.
Hope all is well. So, everybody that's coming in, like I mentioned, you know, if you have to, you know, come right in right quick, you saying hello or you checking out the stream, hit the like button on your way in, on your way out, please and thank you. Um, Brownie Ellie said, "I know too many black women that had complications during pregnancy.
Pre-clampsia emergency C-section."
Exactly. And you know also what I heard and it's been talked about a lot too um in my algorithm it's been popping up in my feed for maybe the last five six years honestly like before I even had kids but about like the push of C-sections like how they're pushing these women to have C-sections that they really don't need to have and it's word on the street is they do this because apparently the hospital get more money for these quote unquote C-sections. So, I'm not saying that C-sections aren't important or they shouldn't be had, but it just seems that because there's certain incentives that maybe these facilities get because, you know, whatever reason, they get paid more. But like I said, if it's emergency, I feel like by any means necessary um the the mother's life and the child's life is what is important. But what also uh is important for the child is to make sure the mother is good. So if we're knowing the mother and what she's going through or like I ain't gonna hold you and I'm just like, you know, I I I I assume and I believe that my baby is fine. Okay. He has I feel like hit milestones after milestones. But when they told me that it was okay for me to take Tylenol with him while I was pregnant, they was like, "Oh yeah, you could take two of them. You could take two 500. You could take the gel rapid jail cuz I'm I'm not even going to hold you."
One thing I've suffered from like off and on since I was a child, headaches, right? And sometimes the headache can be so bad where it can have me bedridden.
But it's not often though. Like I get them less now than I did uh growing up.
And I believe a lot of that um if the diet, my diet and stuff and how I choose to go about inflammation and pain and things like that, you know, I I'm not one to quickly grab Tylenol or ibuprofen and things like that. I rather go to my kitchen right quick, go in my cabinet, you know, chop up some garlic or something, mix them with some honey and, you know, try it that way first and then push come to shove if it's like one of those things that's not going away. But for the most part, it's been the opposite. It's like I can take a Tylenol after a titan. Sometimes it will take, you know, a few hours for it to work or depending how bad the headache is. But when I take that honey and garlic for me, I take it and and I rest, go to sleep and everything, I'm like brand new, you know. But that's just me. But the point I'm making is that um there are complications that sometimes come with, you know, carrying a child and, you know, going into labor and and child birth and things like that. And so, um, I remember there's one thing I do remember.
What are you doing? When I was my water broke with him and all of a sudden it got hot. Like that little fan that they gave, you know, that was like a, you know, I attached it to the bed, you know, or I hooked it up to the bed that that fan wasn't doing [ __ ] I'm like, why is it so [ __ ] hot? So, I guess in that moment, maybe the blood pressure is rising. You know, I'm contracting more now. His little big head is coming through. Like, I really felt like I were going to be out of here. I didn't think I was going to make it, you know? So, those are the I I just think those are some of the conversations that we should have as women. Um, just in totality because it's not, like I said, about scaring women scaring women off from having children or convincing them not to. What I'm saying is just know it's a risk.
It it it's a risk, but I will do it all over again. I mean, women, they do it again and again and again. They have children um back to back and to back.
But I I believe um a way for a healthy pregnancy um healthy child birth and things like that is when the woman has a great support system, whether it's her spouse, whether her family, whether it's friends, you know, a a support system definitely makes things um go around for the mother. But anyway, I digress. Let's get back to the video.
with men that go to the hospital. It was an overabuse of the the system of people just getting it. And and I don't see people just not getting it. I think they limit them.
>> People see and this is the problem.
We're not talking about just people.
We're talking about women. Chiron, excuse me. Chiron brought up a good point about the black mortality rate.
And this is where we at. This is where we went to. I'm confused.
So I seen they give them some they they use it really fast and then once they use it really fast they say okay I'm not giving you anymore because it look like you overabusing that that drug. So that's what I seen.
>> Go ahead.
>> Let me said so abortion is not the problem for black birth.
No, I'm not going to say it's not not as big of a problem as the the mortality rates cuz once again, abortion is a choice, right? Or one of those it's whether it's a choice or if for whatever reason the like the mother's having complications and the baby's not going to make it type of thing. Whether like you know there are still births or there are babies that are dead inside of the womb. So the next thing is to abort that baby. So I'm not going to say that's the that's not an issue, but like I want to know how can that be compared to the mortality rate.
How would that comparable? That would be my question.
>> That was >> Hey man, how's how's Asia treating you, fam? You good over there?
>> Yeah, it's beautiful. I got to set it up for you to come out here. You gonna >> Man, I needed to uh check that Burger King video. I was like, "Is this dog eating meat?"
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> He has he has beautiful cot waiting for you, Chicago.
Uh, >> I need to get my zen right to check my chakras. Um, yeah, I only pull up to disagree with Ed man is tripping. Chicago, >> I'm just curious to know if there's a such thing as malpractice, misdiagnosis, >> some portion of that for black people.
I'll give an anecdotal really quick. my second nephew, uh, Chico, when he was born, um, we rushed my sister, me, my mom's, and my granddad, we we drove with my sister to the hospital. My sister telling the doctor, "Hey, um, he's coming out." Like, they trying to take her somewhere. Actually, they was trying to just get us to check in. And she's like, "Hey, this baby is coming out."
And they're not even paying attention to her. And she said, "Hey, he's in my lap." So, finally, I don't know what they saw. They wield it to the back. Two seconds later, you hear a boy crying.
And my you hear my sister cussing him out, right? Cuz I told you he was in my lap, right? And so the idea that, you know, these doctors aren't human too or that they don't have >> Yeah, I heard something like a story about something like that recently as well about um the lady, you know. No, yeah, we went over there in my last stream. She basically was in the hospital and said, you know, she's in labor. She her water broke and everything, but they dismissed her and sent her on home and 8 minutes later in the car, she gave birth to her baby. So, that's another example of um a woman's concern being dismissed. Like, what the [ __ ] do you have to do to be like, "What do you have to do to be checked into labor and delivery?" Cuz like I said, when I went in there, I was two to three centimeters at first. And so, they said, "You have to be about five in order to be admitted." Later on that night, right later on that night, I was at 5 cm. I got admitted and then couple hours later, water broke and he came not too long after that. So, I can't imagine me going in there holler, hooping and hollering and screaming, saying I'm in pain and they dismiss me or they turn me away or say, "Oh, you know, no, no, you ain't ready."
Yeah. But they don't because that's one of the the the um what what would you call the origins of gynecology?
>> The instruments that they used on black women. Yeah.
>> And with no pain med. Yeah.
>> Have biases or you know they should hold to an ethical standard and in HIPPA agreements and all that other stuff.
That doesn't happen all the time. I think what we see more often than not and you know is that uh for people who are marginalized um we see some of the most egregious things happen against them. I don't know how we doing that.
>> Chicago, can I respond to that? Wait, wait, wait. Chicago, this dude eat a man is saying while a woman is screaming to the top of her lungs and she need a epidural that she not really in.
>> Exactly. They was nowhere near concerned.
>> Make sure we had insurance, I guess. I don't know.
>> No, but that's the point that I'm saying. So, >> that was another one too.
They was talking about it like now I don't know if I showed it in that um last stream I did but it was another story where the woman was basically okay it's on my Tik Tok so no we didn't but she was in labor and they were basically in triage. Did I go over that?
Y'all got to forgive you know listen post baby brain. I know it's been over a year but the way my brain's been set up since I had a baby is something different. But the point I'm making is there was literally they had this woman in triage and she's hooping and hollering saying look they asking her pain. She's like at 10. He's like when is the baby due now? She's like the baby is due now. [ __ ] the due date that she's given. The baby is coming now. And they're like well we can't will her up until we have the paperwork. And that's when I started yeah with the stream. I started cussing. I ain't going to hold you. I started cussing and saying, "See, that's that bullshit." Because once again, when I got weled in, and I know I'm using my own anecdotal uh anecdotal experience, but I feel like that should be the [ __ ] standard. every single time I went to the hospital. I went to the hospital a few times before that just to get checked out because one like like one time I went because um I remember they told me at the doctor office also the hospital too about like he should be hours. So when his movement starts slowing down I got a little worried. I'm just like wait a minute you're not moving as much. When I got checked out that he is absolutely fine. It's just, you know, he's starting to grow now and probably, you know, running out of room.
I'm like, "Okay, I'm cool with that." You know, I just wanted to make sure he was okay. And they, you know, made a point to tell me, "Listen, if you have any else, had any more concerns, don't be hesitate, you know, to come back and things like that." So, that's why I'm saying like there was no waiting in the ER. I was not in the triage. Now, I get maybe every hospital different, every setup is different. Um, but for the most part each and every time because I had to I want to say on like I can count on my hands the many times I went to the hospital while I was pregnant whether I'm getting checked out or um I did have a little bleeding one time and I was a little skeptical about once that got got checked out but I did not have to wait in nobody triage in the ER. They will me right up to the baby floor, check me in, you know, got my information then, so there's no excuse. Well, let me see what else you got to say. And hello, boxing scholar. I saw your comment, bro. Bless Washington is not the best MJ. We're going to have to debate that.
But you're trolling me at this point.
Every time I see you, Ble is Bless Washington's the best MJ. Flex Washington. Boy, if you don't take that somewhere, just the capping that we be doing, you don't have to cap. I like Flex Washington, don't get me wrong. I grew up watching oneonone. Okay. What was that episode he was in where he was like a rapper? He was like young then though. Either way, Bless Washington was not the best. Michael, get out of here with that one. Anyway, moving on. I hope you're having a good evening. Good to see you. Hey, Ju. How you doing? Good to see you. Um she said I don't get headaches much but it uh e extern am I saying that right for me tit cuz see I was trying to u decipher whether they was migraines or whe they were regular headache cuz I know sometimes um my brother he um dealt with migraines grow growing up and the one thing with him like when he had migraines like he was really sensitive to light me it's just I feel like the the pain can be so like just uh that I'm stuck eyes closed.
I don't want to move. I don't want to do nothing type of pain. Um oh that's that's where I was going with that titan story. So my point is they gave me a okay to take uh up to two titanols a day. So that's 500 um milligram per titanol they said I could take while pregnant because you know um headaches is one of the things that come along that can come along for the symptoms of being pregnant but then um as I was getting up there one of the other doctors was like oh yeah you know what because you know it's aggressive you know the headache could be aggressive we want to tackle the head on take you know drink some Mountain Dew Now, mind you, I stopped drinking Mountain Dew like years ago, right?
Every now and then I get like a taste for it, but like I was cutting out sodas. Like the most I was drinking even that time was like maybe a Sprite, but that was um rare in between. So anyway, she gave me the green light to drink Mountain Dew. I ain't going to hold you.
I was drinking Mountain Dew like I haven't like drunk it in years. Why? For one, Mountain Dew is high like soda. All right. Pop in general is high in sugar.
Anyway, Mountain Dew I feel like had that neon glow alien tint to it. And you know, like I remember like I gotten like a yeast infection or two drinking Mountain Dew back in the day. So that's one of the reason why I cut it out, right? Um, but when they gave me the green light to do that, I was drinking it. And did it work? It seemed like it cuz I I wasn't having headaches. Um, sometimes I would have headaches and it would last a couple of days, but I'll take that Tylenol and it will go away.
But knowing what I know now, I probably would have done something differently. I probably probably ate probably more garlic or something. I don't know, more G garlic. Uh, I don't think honey affects you while you're pregnant. I think it's more like don't give it to your baby under a year type of thing.
But I definitely would have done it differently. But yeah, I was taking kind of the easy way out, but I kept thinking about my my baby and like I hope he's not affected. And so I know people like well don't listen Donald Trump cuz he the one that say Tenol or who. I'm like, I I I felt this way about medication way before a Donald Trump or uh JFK or whoever became president and over these things. Like I didn't like taking ibuprofen back in the day. Once again, it depends on how bad the headaches was, but I usually would just try to drink some water, take a nap, and sometimes that do the trick. But nowadays, I'm using more of, you know, things that's in my kitchen. But, you know, to each his own. I don't judge. But I just really, it does matter. Village does matter. Um, but I really was a little worried about my baby and hoping that he didn't come out with like two toes and, you know, six fingers and [ __ ] like that cuz I was taking Tylenol, you know. Anyway, good doctors and good spouses. I agree with that as well. Uh, also abortion is not the biggest problem until recently, right? But it's like until recently when you know the the the whole Roie way thing been passed or that's just one of them talking points because who said that a lot? Pen Malatto is another one that be like oh see the problem is black women have an abortion things like that but not realizing once again the the the possible complication that women have to go through while giving birth. And why would you want to have babies in society if your concerns is not taken if if they're taken lightly? Like I really feel like I'm not gonna say I got lucky, but y'all don't understand like the level of fear I had when I was pregnant and I really thought I going to have to like kind of go to war and you know it going to be crazy. But like my experience I feel like should be every woman experience bare minimum honestly.
Okay, listen to listen to the more it is.
>> So that's that's the point is I think we just got so spooled as a society, right?
Because first of all, first of all, >> down on the dumb [ __ ] >> Okay, shut up.
>> I thought I was Ed respond. I want I do want to hear his response honestly. I'm sorry, Adam.
>> Please let mom respond. at you now.
>> So, first of all, it is proven that a lot of these medicines that y'all soal advocating right now, it's not really good for these women. For example, for this idea, we start talking about this epidemic, right? Hold on.
>> Why are we stuck on Okay, see that's what I'm saying. Why are we stuck on medication and quote unquote pain? Cuz I even though pain's a part of it, but that's not even like that's only surface level. So, I'm just trying to figure out why he's so focused on pain, right?
That's crazy. Um, he said, "My water broke. My water didn't break. He broke through it and came six minutes later."
Girl, I I just remember like I was there. Um, you know, my contraction was getting closer and closer and then all of a sudden I just felt like this gush of water. I'm like, "Oh my god, did my break?" And they like, "Oh." And like he did came quick. And when I say that pain, it's like can't even describe it. Like what I when I say ring of fire, if anybody know about the ring of fire, that's almost that crowning. Oh my god. Okay. Very painful. Hey Rose, how you doing? Good to see you. I hope you're having a good stream over there. I don't know if you're done. Um, but that situation really, like I said, it it's traumatizing cuz even after the fact, like there's pictures of me, I guess. I don't know who was taking them. Somebody got somebody phone. I think um they had his dad phone. So, somebody was taking pictures like of like when you know he's on my chest. I still got my gown on so I'm not butt ass naked, but I got my gown on and the dad's cutting, you know, the umbilical cord. And in one of those pictures like I'm smiling like crazy like cheating from ear to ear. I'm like what the h what is happening? Why am I you know like I was telling him I don't remember taking that picture. So I was out of it. And so the pain medication they gave me of course I think it was afterward. Didn't they say fentanyl?
They gave me something. I was like wait what? And they said it just it's like a like a small dose level or whatever but it was just something they gave me after I gave birth. But after that they were giving me motin like every I think 4 to 6 hours. I think it was every 6 hours or whatever. But yeah. Ooh. Anyway, action by first time seeing you. Good to see you. Hope everything is well. Says, "Yeah, we call those situations [ __ ] because a pregnant woman is never turned away when she's giving birth."
I'mma ignore this. I'm not going to ignore this. So, anybody Let me Let me go ahead.
I'mma go ahead and um let me go get a link right quick cuz this is the gas lighting I'm talking about. So once again, if it's not a situation where it's not a big thing, then it wouldn't be a call to action. And it wouldn't be something that the CDC, right, is saying that we working together to reduce black maternal um morality because guess what? Black women three to four times more likely. Each year in United States, hundreds of women die during pregnancy or in the year after. Thousands more have unexpected outcomes of labor and delivery with serious short or long-term health consequences. Every pregnancy related death is tragic, especially because more than 80% of pregnancy related deaths in the US are preventable. Recognizing urgent maternal warning, providing timely treatment and delivering respectful quality care can prevent many pregnant pregnancy related deaths. Right? So while saying, "Oh, most women ain't turned away, blah blah blah," I beg to differ. And also, um, I do have a playlist, right?
Can I share this playlist?
I don't know if I can share this playlist. So, let me see what it look like when I put it down in chat or if somebody can help your girl out and hit the link and let me know if um it takes you to the playlist or if it takes you just to the video I shared. But I there's a playlist under um on my channel, right? It's called Maternal Mental Health Awareness. And right now, it has six videos. Now, you may say, "Well, those are only just the little I wish that the ones that was coming up prior, like I had so many coming up that, you know, at the time I didn't have the playlist uh created, but I'm going start adding more videos cuz like I said, they be popping up in my algorithm now and I'm just going to add them to them for people that's not aware." And the thing is, I find more of them on Tik Tok. So the fact that you know people are taking this as oh this is just one of those small number things hund I'm sorry hundreds of women it's not a small number to me especially for a year for anyone interested I'm dropping some link um for initiative for black women in gynecology okay 14 weeks that's why you have to wait 14 weeks to go straight to baby section if 14 14 or 16 weeks had to go to the ER.
Well, these in this instance that I'm talking about, these women was in active labor.
Um, hold on. Let me cuz I don't mind playing one of them. I did one in the stream.
I played one of them in the stream. So, let me show y'all um or show you or one of the examples where a woman got turned away and then she gave birth not long after. Let me see which one it is. Okay, hold on.
Hello, Dor. Okay, not that one.
Okay. So, this one's only a minute and 40 minutes.
All right. So, this is parted uh attached to the playlist. So, woman discharged from hospital gives birth in a car minutes later.
>> She's in labor and she's positive. She's about to give birth.
>> Fortunately, she's in an emergency room.
My daughter is being kicked out of this hospital and she's in active labor.
>> But Mercedes Wells says she was told to go home after sitting there for hours, even after begging them to admit her.
>> I'm about to have this baby now. I can't go home. It was excruciating pain. I'm crying. I'm telling her, I can't leave.
I can't leave. You going to make me leave and I'm in this much pain? I'm going to have this baby. Video shows Mercedes being wheeled out with instructions to wait at home for her labor to progress.
>> You're being wheeled out and you're getting >> I'm saying like I don't know if she was at like checked because you know usually you're checked and one way they check you. They check your service. So that means like you have a hospital gown on you're probably you know naked from the weight down and they're checking to see how far your service is and they can do that by you know using their fingers or whatever. So what I'm saying is why was she turned away when they said she was in active labor? I'm confused. Yeah, ER sucks. That's why I was like when I went right. So I'm 38 weeks pregnant at this point. And so I was like 2 to 3 cm dilated and they was like well you can either stay and see if anything changes or you can go home because these things you can have the baby say they later today, you can have it tomorrow, next week. It just depends, right? cuz there are situations where women their water breaks but they're stuck at two to three centimeters, right? So, I chose to go home because I did not want to lay in that. Even though I was, you know, up there on the baby floor, I still was laying in one of those uncomfortable ass stretchers. I didn't want to be there for hours. I had my baby later on that night, right? Or early that next morning, like 2:00 in the morning. But what I'm saying, I went back around like 9:30 that night. So imagine I I was already there 12 o'clock I mean nine o'clock in the morning and if I would have stayed I would have been there for 12 hours. So yeah I I I was good waiting at home for something to change and it did. So I get if you're early on okay you might get sent to the ER whatever but if these women are in active labor you would think they're rushing her up right up to the floor. You know what I'm saying? Like I can't stand those ERs. I cannot. Um I said baby always had hands.
That's funny. Yeah. No, like that's the thing people don't get like cuz it was something also. It was like um the boy had dental work or he had he had something he had surgery or something but he came out of it and they was like we're giving you fentanyl and that black like he was a black man. He sat up so quick and said fentanyl. He said, "No, no, it's like cuz when we hear fentanyl, we think about what they're strung out on here or whatever, but no, they have like a like they give you like a low dosage of it and like because they gave me that, but then it was something they gave to me my IV and so afterward they were giving me Motrin.
So, it wasn't something they they was giving me over and over again. And once I went home, they gave me a prescription of Motrin. So, that's all I was taking.
But apparently they saying, "Oh, well, they be giving the white women that good medication, the the the good pain pills and things like that or whatever." And I'm thinking, "Oh, really?" Like, I was hearing all these stories about, "Oh, you know, they'll give you a a choice of steak or lobster and all that good stuff." I'm like, "Y'all must be at the fancy hospital." Cuz not saying my hospital wasn't a good hospital. It was a great hospital, but it was just like I don't know. And one and and two, I was there for maybe like like I said, a day and a half now having like almost two cuz I was up and walking and pushing my baby around the hospital, you know, cuz I I I was ready just to kind of get out of there. But once I got home and I was taking the Motrin, but um I wasn't taking it like every six hours at first and I start to slack up on it. The pain started to hit me. I'm like, "Oh, wait a minute. Is that what I'm taking these for?" Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. I did just push a whole damn six lb baby through my crotch. So yeah, but you know um either way I just think that sometimes people um overlook like cuz they even say I I'm not sure but I heard like they even have like cocaine or something like in hospitals cuz they use it for whatever whatever pain. So I'm just like okay that's really interesting. You know what I'm saying? But um but yeah, so anyway, back to this.
>> Your husband's truck and you must have been in disbelief at this point.
>> Absolutely. Cuz my plan was to have the baby there, >> but she never made it home.
>> Mercedes gave birth inside her husband.
That's why context like what's the context between that? Why would you send this woman home just for her to give birth in her car eight minutes later?
Y'all think that's weird?
Thank y'all. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I just, you know, some of these topics can be kind of heavy, especially if you are a mother or gone through this. You know me, I'm quote unquote what they would say the a first time mom and so you know it's like the moment I became pregnant it was like pregnancy stuff started popping up in my algorithm and it was crazy. So I felt like there was some things I I watched and didn't watch because I didn't want that level of fear to take over but I was really worried like I was so worried about having my baby in the hospital.
like y'all just don't understand just because of the stories that we have came across and we have heard. So like I said, I feel like my experience should definitely be like the the baseline for the level of care that we should get.
Now there are now were there some parts in it that I felt like eh about it but overall it was definitely a great experience. So, far as like the level of care that how they handled me, um maybe one little minor interaction with one of the the nurses, but like I said, um I made that decision far as like what I was going to do. Um when the doctor at the hospital literally told me, "As soon as you leave this hospital, go to your um your OB/GYN and tell you tell them to take you out of work." And when that heer, yeah, I say that with, you know, respect, but not really, was like, well, don't you need to rank? Well, I'll take you out for about a week. Okay, you can take me out for about a week. You right. And so when I went to my employer, they said, "Look, just let me know whenever you're ready to come back. I got you type of thing." So, I started my leave a little early cuz once again, the concern was not taken was taken a little lightly.
And so I'm like, "Yeah, I'm cool with that. I make my own choice." But thank you, lady. That was the only time in that doctor's office dur through my whole pregnancy that I just felt like.
But other than that, for the most part, it was it was pleasant. I didn't really have any issues. Um, and that was that. But I can't say that for the other women that have had issues or lost their life in in the process. You know, >> in Crown Point, Indiana. It happened just 8 minutes after they left the hospital. 8 minutes.
>> I was freaking out, but I was trying to stay as calm as possible. And then I see my baby's head.
>> While you're driving, >> while I'm driving, I'm seeing the the baby's head. I literally put >> while you're driving, you see like for real, I'm crashing out cuz do you could imagine how much like a level of calmness he had to have in that situation like you driving. I'm not Was he driving? I assume like he driving and then also having to assist his baby into the world when the hospital dismissed him and sent them on like no. here um like like this around my baby's head and as she's pushing I'm pulled and baby came out.
>> In a statement the hospital Franciscan Health said we understand the concern this has raised. The video is just one part of the information we're reviewing as part of a thorough investigation into this alleg >> one part of the information. So that's how they get you. We're just one part like, okay, yeah, we need context, but what do we need to someone being sent home like on the brink of them giving birth? Like, that doesn't like I'm sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me. So, I don't know why like like that could have been a better statement than that [ __ ] Okay, Lana D said, "Good evening, Chat Tyler in chat.
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Um, loving it. Guju said they usually check you right the hospital. She would need to be sued. And that's another thing though. So, I guess I can show y'all one more.
I showed these already, but I don't mind sometimes reiterating to kind of just, you know, show y'all what what, you know, just what what women are dealing with as a whole.
Okay, go back to the playlist.
So, it says, go down.
Okay. California hospital facing investigation in investigation over treatment of black women in childbirth. So this another one and I believe this is the one about um Akira Johnson who died after giving birth cuz once again her husband who was you okay saying that you know his wife was having complications. she was she was in pain or whatever and it once again it was dismissed. So, let me see if that's the same one.
>> Tonight, the LA Times reporting a California hospital is facing a federal civil rights investigation for the way it treats black women giving birth there.
>> My wife would be here with her boys if it wasn't for the color of her skin.
The death of 39-year-old Kira Johnson initiating the scrutiny after her husband filed a civil rights lawsuit against Cedar Sinai Medical Center. It was later settled. Kira and her husband Charles already parents to one son, a picture perfect family when she died after a scheduled C-section delivery of their second child in 2016. after allowing my wife to bleed and suffer needlessly while my family and myself begged and pleaded for them to simply just treat her with dignity and respect.
>> The case bolstered by this video deposition from Angelique Washington, a former surgical technician at Cedar Sinai who was in Kira's operating room.
>> The room started to look like a a murder scene, a crime scene.
>> It started blood everywhere. I knew it would it didn't feel good. The LA Times reporting on the investigation after reviewing a letter sent to Kira's husband Charles from the Federal Department of Health and Human Services, stating the department is reviewing the allegations. NBC News also obtaining the letter that says in part, "The HHS Office of Civil Rights quote is aware of allegations that black women are provided a standard of care below what is provided to other women who are not black when >> below."
Okay. below the standard of care. Not like I said, I feel like the the the level of care that I receive should be the bare minimum, but once again, as o overall as a general, you know, um census here, we get the lowest level of care.
You just say, "Yeah, they give you that good medication. If you talk to them, they will put you onto something good, some good medication. You just have to pay for it." And see that didn't even come to mind, right? Cuz I'm one of those people like when I was pregnant, I know I keep, you know, throwing in my experience here, but when I was pregnant, you know, it was one of those things where like even like the older ladies would tell me like, "Are you going to get epidural?"
And I said, "Well, I'm not sure. I I don't want to." They're like, "Girl, get the epidural because it's a different time. You don't have to feel that pain.
Get the epidural." I'm like, "Think about it.
I'll think about it. That's what I told him. And I thought about it and I initially went with my first mind. I was going to have a natural birth. Now, to be honest with you, the moment that I even thought about saying, you know what, maybe epi might sound good, was the moment that the contraction start getting at a certain point. But the thing is once I got to 8 cm, they said no epidural. So once you get to uh 8 cm, there's no turning back. And so once I got there, that's the only time I really have like the level of thoughts like man I am I going to be able to handle this effort. But then by that time it was too late. So I initially went with my first mind and said I'mma follow through and I'm glad I did. So trying to get the good medicine or the whatever like I was trying to get less as possible anyway.
So you know it wasn't really a concern of mine or whatever but um I can imagine if I went through a section or something. Yeah. Give me give me the good good. Give me the good stuff. Okay.
Because once again getting cut up and if I'm not mistaken I think it's like seven layers they're cutting through if I'm not mistaken.
But other than that, I did tear a little bit. But, you know, once again, it it wasn't something that um I felt like I just needed like a a high doses of medication. I didn't I didn't need no narcotics or nothing like that. Um I just I I was just ready to get up out of there. Like once I popped him out, that room was cold as hell. Okay. I had good food. Um but for the most part, I was just ready to go. That was my main concern. But anyway, before I continue on, I did receive a cash out and so I do want to twin, thank you so much for your support. Okay, so y'all know what that means. I can play my money song and I love playing my money song. So, thank you again for your donation. It's highly appreciated.
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So, I just wanted to show yall a little snippet of that. But, um, like I said, the playlist is there. So, if you go to my channel, go under playlist. Hey, Choco Kitty. Hey girl. Hey. How you doing?
Good to see you tonight. Hope all is well. Um, it's under my playlist, under my channel. And so, let me um, but I'mma get this particular link if y'all want to finish looking at it. It's only like uh, how many minutes?
3 minutes and 44 seconds. But I know that it's going to be said, well, these are rare cases or these are rarities. It doesn't happen often, blah, blah, blah.
But it happened often enough to where the CDC is calling for action to basically make this world a better better place for black women giving birth. Okay. Uh so let me put that here and so y'all can take a look at it yourselves. Okay. So let's get back to Chiron stream because once again this was the inspiration to why I was having this conversation in the first place, right?
I I want to before we move this epidemic, >> I hope y'all can hear that. Okay. I I don't think anybody had any um issues hearing it, but if y'all can't hear this video, let me know. But I think it's good.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. E, we I want to before we move into what is good for them and what is not good for them.
>> I heard that's No. No, not I heard. I actually seen like cuz it was once again Tik Tok and it was a black doctor saying you know if your mother had you by C-section or not even C-section but epidural or whatever like give her a hug cuz when he brought out that long ass needle I said you see what I'm saying and till this day I hear women about how they develop um back problems after they got in that epidural that's what I heard so yeah that's Why I said for the temporary moment of the pain that we're going to have to go through, I was willing to deal with that because once again, I'm thinking about the long-term effects. I'm thinking about down the line. I don't want to walk around with a [ __ ] up bag. I don't want to walk out, you know, like listen, I'm always going to come out of this with whatever that's going to come out with. I don't want to add extra layers to it.
ste the conversation back to these women not being believed and she literally had to have a baby on her lap to say, "Oh, the baby is coming." Like, let's focus on that part of the conversation first before we say what's good and what's bad.
>> I think I think that's natural. A woman having a natural born baby and it coming out of her vagina into her lap is natural.
>> Shut your dumb ass up. See, this the Hey, VC. Hey, girl. Hey, how you doing?
See, I'm trying to be good. I be trying to be good. But see, this is the [ __ ] that really be making my ass it is. What you mean it's natural come out on your lap? Technically, it's natural for a woman to squat.
Supposed to be in a standing squatting position to bring into life, but apparently this system goes against nature, right?
And want to put you on your back to have you have a baby. Now, granted, I was on all fours, okay, giving birth to my kid, cuz that's what I wanted. I wanted to either be squatting or whatever position I I want. I wanted to go with gravity, but it got to a point where his little shoulder kind of got stuck and she had to flip my ass over and told me to push.
And when I push, he came out. But other than that, listen, this is why you have some individuals, some men that should not even be speaking on these matters. Come out. It's natural for to come out on your lap. Okay. Maybe.
Maybe. Like I said, women have been given birth for thousands and thousands and millennials of years without the, you know, medical equipment and, you know, hospitals and all that stuff. You know, they was having them at home with the mothers and the and the sisters and the midwives and the do whatever they call them back then. So, I'm just trying to figure out, you know what, let let me not >> I I get what Chicago research. Hold on.
Okay. I guess I hold on no because you miss it. No, you're missing the conversation. It >> really is.
>> She was telling the doctor that the baby is coming and the doctors were ignoring it.
>> Ignoring it.
>> That's what the conversation is about.
>> Correct.
>> Yeah.
>> We got to accept that this [ __ ] is slow.
>> But still, Hold on, y'all. But still, he can even though he's slow, he knows how to have a conversation towards a topic.
I see Edan knows how to do that very well. So even though Dis is calling you, so E, please let's talk to that part of the conversation that this woman was being ignored uh while the doctors was walking past with the baby halfway out her vagina. That's what the conversation >> that's coming after him. That's actually I'm in that field, but go ahead.
>> So it sounds like that that uh his sister.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Okay, I said just let two cents go cuz like I said when people disagree and y'all don't like it that y'all feel like y got to cut off >> go ahead and shoot two cent got a bullet in the chamber. Okay.
>> I'd like to see >> next. Go ahead and finish.
>> Uh two cents. Uh Shadow has dropped you for $20. I I don't know what you did to him, but you did something. Uh uh but but either man what I'm saying is that like don't it's it's not to focus on Chicago's anidotal >> correct >> experience but it's to correct acknowledge that these things has happened past >> his anidal experience that three times more black women are having this issue >> three times more than any other race. So >> my argument my argument is level of insurance right now. Now, now I know people disagree. It's different if you go into an emergency room to have a baby and you have a OBBGN that walks you through that whole process that they have this thing really planned out. I'm telling you where like you got a room, you got everything. You got the the bathtub. I'm just saying I understand how Logan emergency room works versus actually having paid service.
>> I know.
>> Yeah. Sson said, "Told you he was special need." Hello. Good to see you. I hope you're going doing good tonight.
Now you hear that. So that's why I had to show you, right?
Show you this because Serena Williams, I'm sure wasn't at no hospital. I'm sure she had great insurance coverage. I'm sure she had enough money to, you know, have the kind of room and have the kind of care and physicians at her whim. But even she is part of that one and however many women that are dealing with not being heard and concerns not being taken seriously.
So what Ed man talking about? All right.
There are so many more untold stories of black women dying during child during or after childirth across the US. The racial disparities in maternal morality, well, I'm sorry, mortality continue to need our attention.
Black women are at least three times more likely than white women to die around the time of child birth, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Oh, um, what what you doing? um control and prevention report published in March that cited data from 2024.
It's important for the public to understand that black maternal morality crisis in America issue and that it should matter to everyone.
Let me see that. I read this one already. Hold on.
Okay. Harrison emphasized that when you're working to improve the outcomes of people who have the worst outcomes, you're ultimately going to change and improve outcomes.
Thank you. You're ultimately going to change and improve the outcomes for all.
I got him. Aren't you going to go to bed? Aren't you going to go to bed?
Um, sorry about that y'all. Okay, so this should matter to everyone. No one should die in child birth and we should institute uh protocols and use their research to protect everyone. Black women are disproportionately dying or having poor outcomes. We're human. Black women are human beings.
Black women have the right to birth their child in the United States and not have a higher risk of dying. A family medical physician. Perkins also made a point that if society accepts the disproportionate maternal morality uh mortality rate for black women, then who to say that these same issues may not pop up in other population.
Black women are a large part of the workforce in this country. We are everywhere, she told Huff Post. We are taxpayers and we are workers and we are educators, we are doctors, we are lawyers, we are teachers, we are a large part of the workforce. So if one population is affected in this way when it comes to their mortality, everyone is then affected, she continues before emphasizing again that black women's maternal mortality crisis should be viewed on a human level and that everyone should advocate for black expected mothers to have better health outcomes.
Good man. You you way aboutio already is going through it. She's saying she's in pain and Ed man is saying what >> in the same in the same token he said the women are safer with the system.
>> Yeah.
>> And we didn't we didn't know that we could factor in the healthare system that there was a system of healthare that's ran by the government regulate the government.
Well, even if you put that statement in there, are you saying that the reason why black women have this situation of three times more than any other race is because of the level of insurance he has?
>> In my opinion, yes.
>> You said what?
>> Yes, in my opinion.
>> Wow.
>> That's crazy. Now, you see how like that's why I say he's either really disconnected or far removed from these issues. Now, I'm not going to use the fact that his wife is not black, right?
His wife is a doctor, but she's not black. So, I'm not going to say that may be the reason or maybe a little bit far as his mentality. But thinking that because people don't have great health care, that's why they're not getting the greatest um or don't have great insurance or got not getting the great greatest care.
You would think regardless of the type of insurance or type of facility that they would try their best to give them the the best care possible, but saying, "Oh, well, because she don't have they don't have good health insurance or healthcare that that's the reason why."
where once again Serena Williams is a perfect example for somebody who has I'm sure the one of the best probably insurance out there and and gave birth at a great facility with you know great doctors her concerns were still devalued they wasn't valued >> that does make sense like with better insurance you actually get better care you get specialized hospital you get specialized I don't know why everybody saying another dumb one. You know what? I I I say that respectfully as possible, right? When it comes to this shadow titan person cuz he's another one that's far removed from reality in these conversations. So is Edy man eat the man. And once again, I believe it's the environment, their surroundings, but also lack of educating themselves because once again, when these topics come up, they going based off their opinion and what they think to know.
Listen to this [ __ ] >> The math does make sense.
>> It does make sense.
>> More than any other race is because of the level of insurance they have.
>> In my opinion, yes.
>> You said what?
>> Yes. In my opinion.
>> Wow.
>> That's crazy.
>> That is crazy.
>> The math does make sense.
>> Math does make sense.
>> With better insurance, you actually get better care.
>> Tell Serena William that. That's what I'm saying. Like you want to say that so confidently with your chest. Tell Serena Williams that.
What are we doing? Hey Blue. Peace to you. Good to see you. Hope you doing good tonight. Y'all hear this?
>> The level of insurance they have.
>> My opinion. Yes.
>> You said what?
>> Yes. In my opinion.
>> Now once again, this is this is opinion.
Opinion. So this is where when people, you know, I'm not saying like I always need somebody's stats or somebody's data because I know depending on like even stats can be misread. Data can be misread. They'll come and present some data where the survey of people with only like 50 people and say well this no you know what I'm saying but these are the ones that really claim that the the most logical ones in the conversation you'll bring your opinion in it and you sound ridiculous. It's crazy.
>> The math does make sense. Like with better insurance, you actually get better care. You get specialized hospital. You get specialized care. I don't know why everybody's saying it's crazy. Everybody's been in the hospital.
>> No shadow. That's not what everybody said.
>> The reason why crazy is because we have celebrity black women saying that these things are happen to when they at the height of their level and they have the best doctors, so-called best doctors in their city. And these things of doctors not paying attention to their pain still.
>> Hey, listen. Listen to this. Ask Luigi if you need better insurance. If you just need better insurance, right? He knocked the seat up. Tell him. Tell him just better insurance. You get better care and you should be fine. Better facilities. Like, like I said, using Serena Williams as um an example. I'm sure she had access. She was probably in a great facility. She probably had great insurance, great, you know, what they call health care. But once again, depending on the individuals that's caring for you, you got actually have people that care about you or care about your well-being and not just there to collect a paycheck. That's important.
>> Happened to them. So those women that have the top doctors or insurance or whatever they paid for, they have that and this still happens. How do you now still have the same sentiments of it depends on your insurance level?
>> Well, well, when you say that's why I said when you talk about pain and I I I get that >> we're not just talking about pain and that's what's pissing me off in this conversation. You think it's just about pain, but the pain is a symptom of something. It's an effect of something.
You think it's just pain. So like even when it comes like the headaches, the headache is basically the effect of something that's going on inside, right?
So most people would do they would take, you know, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Mulerin, etc., whatever. Pretty much kind of putting a band-aid over a wound, but not really getting down to the meat and potato of it. So that's why I feel like taking garlic and honey, when I do that, I don't have headaches. If I have a headache, that means something like sometime could be what I ate. I might have ate I might not been eating great, so now I've been eating all the junk food. Now I got a headache type of thing. Um, it could be anything, but I don't think the medication that we're given gets to the the the the um the cure of things. it's not going to get to the the point that it's you know where it should clear it up or get rid of it instead of just masking it for a while because you know basically headache uh pain is like inflammation but once again inflammation it's telling your body in a way telling you something is going on.
So, if a woman gave birth and she's saying, "I don't feel right." And you have a nurse or a doctor say, "Oh, well, you know, that's normal because you had a C-section."
Well, you know what? Can we do some extra testing? Can we look into it? Cuz even with Serena Williams, she had um something going on with her lungs, a plenominary artery or something that caused from a blood clot. So, once again, she was written off like, "Oh, it's just normal. You're in pain."
Whatever. It is what it is. But come to find out, she would like if that didn't get taken care of, she could have been out of here. She could have been out of here cuz blood clots can take your life.
>> Guys, um don't want to announce this.
When when you actually talk to a doctor about pain, the doctor have to assess that level of pain. There we go. Doctor got to assess that level of pain. And that's and that's the whole thing. How do a doctor really assess the level of pain? Cuz when they ask you on a scale of 1 to 10, what's your pain level?
You tell them 10. So how the doctor going to assess you in a way to say, "Oh, well, you're not really on a 10.
You're probably more of a three. You just trying to get medication for me, so I'm going to just write it off and you know, you can go to damn Walmart, get you some pain meds." Right?
That's what he's saying here.
Not saying that we shouldn't listen to the doctor. Not saying the doctor don't know what they're talking about, but once again, how do they assess the level of pain? How can a doctor tell the type of pain the person's in if they're not actually experiencing for themselves?
>> Saying is that should we believe all patients, right?
>> They have to assess. And once again, we're throwing all patients in there and not the fact that we're talking about women that have given birth, women that um was having complications either prior, during, or post, right? We're not talking about just, you know, everyday people, everyday pain or whatever. We're talking about a particular thing. This is weird. Yeah. They looked at Serena like she was strong and didn't need necessary attention other women get.
Exactly.
They were just trying to get you out of there to go home two days after birth, if that's now. Exactly. But I was ready.
I ain't gonna hold you. The hospital room was cold. I was ready to go. Um, the food was good, you know, but I just, you know, I I just I was ready to go home. So, I didn't have any complications. I didn't have any, you know, bleeding. I didn't have nothing going on. So like you know most of the time I know most days they'll try to keep you there you know anywhere between 3 to 4 days but I think because the level like there was a lot of birds happening around that time as well. So, I'm sure they was ready for that. Um, you know, probably was needing that room and that was fine. But like, like I said, I was getting the care that that I I needed. Um, everything was good and they was checking him, making sure everything was good. They said, you know, um, everything come out good. Y, you know, you can take him home. I'm like, yes, take him home. Let's take the little little stranger that I've been growing for the nine little nine months.
Okay. And take them home. I'm ready to get out the damn hospital. I don't like hospitals like that anyway. So, but this is just sad.
They right. They think everybody is a a drug addict. And that and that's where I'm confused of why the the the idea of the drug addict or even um you know, people that may be like wanting pills or addicted to pills, what that got to do with black women and their mortality rate? I'mma keep repeating that because I don't understand the premise of this conversation >> that level of pain. Now what we saying is that should we believe all patients right we understand that it was a whole epidemic of doctors was believing all the patients they was giving out all this medicine we had a whole opioid crisis and it was a problem in >> opio crisis see a opio crisis and didn't that affect that community more than anything so once again what the [ __ ] did that got to do with the black mortality rate help We understand >> America, we know that. So, what I'm saying is now when a doctor is actually assessing a patient and they say, "Hey, check this out. We're not going to give you these these medicines that are unnatural." It's like, "Damn it, they do. Damn it if they don't." Because a lot of physicians got in trouble for the simple fact that they was overprescribing people. That was >> They were literally catching federal cases for this.
>> Shut your dumb ass up. They They just need to shut their dumb ass up.
>> They were catching no federal cases because of this. Because so you saying they were catching federal cases cuz too many women were going there bluffing about their pain and doctor was just giving them medication for it. You see you see how dumb that sounds. Reese was like I was just talking about this labor and stuff. Uh Blue said they telling almost every black woman you had pre preeclampia and then convince you to induce labor. Right. And you know the thing is like that's one of the things you know one of the things women deal with pre-clampia. But I mentioned that earlier too that I felt like you know there's well I heard about like there's an incentive to you know that the hospital get if they have more C-section. Now I'm not talking about emergency C-section where um because of the complications or for whatever reason a woman can't give birth vaginally or or whatnot. I'm talking about just for whatever reason, apparently like the hospital get some kind of funding or money for the C-sections that they have. So, apparently there's been like more of a push for C-sections. I'm just like, yeah, I I was hoping and praying that that wasn't going to be me. I was trying to avoid it at all cost. Um, but it definitely seems something that uh like I've seen in the comment section of women that gave birth and they're like, "Yeah, like I got a C-section and apparently I didn't need one." The other woman here that I went over recently, the um the stream I did the other day where they put her in front of a Zoom court. She had to go to court on Zoom during her labor because she she didn't want to have a C-section. She had three C-sections prior to that. She had complications and the healing process was uh in her in her words like it was really hard on her. So she said this time around I don't want to have a C-section. Now she agreed if like something came up and it was emergency and they had to do it. Okay. But by her being a midwife and a dueler, she just like yeah I I don't want to go through another C-section. So in that moment it was like okay who who who had more rights over her body her or the the system or the doctors >> over prescribing um medication. That's fine. So but the problem is that the black women are dying three times more than anybody else. So it is a real thing that black women are dying. So these are not people that had um false pain problems. Clearly was something wrong and the doctor is ignoring them three times more than everybody else. And those women are dying.
>> And the fact that Chiron has to make this clear cuz they kept trying to make it about pain or you know these people trying to get over and get access to pain medication. Like that's not even a topic. The [ __ ] Reesei said that's why I don't like either man. He's with a non-black Asian woman anyway. He don't give a [ __ ] about black women. And that's why I said earlier, I feel like he just kind of either really far removed or disconnected because he came right in the door talking about pain and how oh well the doctors have degrees and you know they're trained to make these assessments and all that all that stuff he was saying. So basically he saying that if this is this is what I gathered from it. if his wife went to the doctor and the doctor said, "Well, your wife is not in that much pain, so I ain't gonna do nothing for her. I ain't gonna give her nothing." He gonna go with the doctor's a word because he's the professional. He's the one with the condition credentials. He the one with the um you know, degree. But it's like once again, how do you assess somebody else's pain outside of them? You know, you asking what's their pain level and you know, they may say 1 to 10. What's your pain level? Right? Other than that, how can you really assess somebody's pain and what they're feeling?
Dumb as hell. Rei said they're lying.
They give black women a hard time when it comes to getting anything.
Blue said, "Yeah, because they give white people whatever joy they ask for, but belly want to give [ __ ] ten."
Yeah, cuz that limited us to three kids, right?
>> Three times more than anybody else. So why are we talking about things of people acting like they are hurt to get some goddamn percoet? This is not what we're talking about.
>> That's not that's not happening at the scale that he's trying to make it seem like. Right. So Shiron, is there a connection to a uh a doctor and big farmer per se? Right. In other words, is there incentive for doctors to prescribe and or overprescribe?
>> And does that happen?
>> Evidently not ahead >> cuz the thing is like I I believe surgery of any kind honestly can you know cuz from my understanding the human body technically is not supposed to be cut on or cut open or surgery whatever.
Okay.
if that's the case, right? So, I can imagine three section, three C-sections or more can be taxing on the body cuz once again there I feel like there that added layer of healing that a woman have to go through when she's getting cut and I actually saw like there was like this video I saw a woman a C-section and they're kind of rough. I mean I get it getting the baby out of there but it's not a gentle process. So imagine you feeling all of that once the anesthesia wear off or the epidural, whatever you're given. Not anesthesia, but I'm whatever you're given in order to numb you from the waist down. And then sometimes you have situations where women the epidural doesn't take all the way, right? Or it may start wearing off during and they still feel it. So it's like I don't know. It just it just blows my mind sometimes in these conversations.
And I think the the the the lack of like not even just the lack of awareness, but the the ignorance that come along with it and not wanting to even, you know, like try to try to gain more try to gain more knowledge on it. Like if you don't know, that's fine. Like I I I I would respect somebody more if they just say, you know, I'm not aware or you okay or they don't know about something. But coming in with my opinion, y'all think, you know, they do get more access and people just want to be on pills and just like, but once again, we're not talking about people. We're talking about black women and their mortality rates being higher than their counterparts.
While y'all were talking, y'all also are aware that black women are also uninsured at about that same one-third rate. So, I'm not saying they should be correlate, but if you look at the medical system, Yeah.
>> Were you given an epidural or was you given any kind of numbing medicine below the waist? Cuz in in my in my opinion, it's like if you're actually feeling the C-section, so that mean you felt them cutting you open? Like, are you supposed to feel that?
See, that's crazy to me. not getting the same health insurance care and they're not getting the same protection through that insurance. They're being treated very different.
>> On top of that, like even um that one clip we just kind of looked well, we didn't look at that one, but the one that we watched here um in the other live stream, like the lady said that the healing from the C-section itself was really um hard for her all three times.
So that's why she wanted to, you know, try you know, it vaginally. Now, I I get sometimes the whole idea, well, well, if you had C-section and haven't had no vag have nothing vaginally, that they kind of want you to stay on that, you know, um on that path. I get it. Um but like you're being cut open. There's like several seven layers, several layers that they cutting through. And once again, I'm thinking about the healing.
It's already a healing factor going with uh gay birth vagely. So I can imagine the healing process you had to go through while um while having a a a C-section.
Like I I imagine you probably in the bed for a night amount of time after being cut on like that >> because of that lack of insurance.
>> Wait, hold on. You have to you have to fight that source to make that make sense.
>> Y say that the women I give you the back I give you the back >> and but they and I know what comes with welfare, right? And so now they're uninsured at the same rate.
>> Chicago, did you hear what what what Shiron said about >> the rate of women?
>> No, it's lack it's a lack of insurance or coverage that doesn't cover as much.
I was very specific about what I said.
It's not the same level of insurance.
Medicare is not the same thing as blue cost, blue shield, platinum. Like we can be real about that.
>> What the guy doing?
>> The amount of women that's passing away, right?
>> Right.
>> What the [ __ ] is Shadow talking about?
>> What?
Um, >> wait. Wait. Because you keep asking me stupid ass questions. I'm give >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
>> What?
>> Shadow.
>> Yes. I'll just talk quickly.
>> I'm chopping up lack of medical care to poverty. Absolutely. It actually makes perfect sense.
>> No, it doesn't.
>> You're not getting the same medical care primarily due to the lack of insurance.
Either total lack of insurance or inefficient care. You're not getting the same prenatal hairs. You're not getting this. Yeah. You can actually go down this list and it'll break down why the same thing is happening literally through through a medical record.
>> Okay. Okay. The thing is Black women have those same outcomes even when they have good private insurance.
>> Finally, PhD diva.
>> Finally. I What did I say? I was sitting here cuz I'm like with all these men on the panel cuz I'm not saying men should not be a part of this conversation. I'm not saying men shouldn't even, you know, have the conversation amongst themselves. But should they be leading in this? Not these guys. Honestly, I think they should be because once again the the level of the on top of that. And then two, like I'm just guessing they're just ignorant to these things. So that's why I was wondering like where's Pa Diva? Why ain't she lead Why ain't she leading this conversation? Cuz I cuz I am a firm believer that whether a person have kids or not. Not saying if you don't have kids that you shouldn't have a say or you shouldn't have an opinion on, you know, these topics or conversation.
No, you're not getting in here. what you need in here.
I can't find the remote.
I stay in that remote. Um, but I was just wondering when she when she was going to get in here cuz I know she was up there sitting there for a while and I wasn't sure. You know, sometimes people will be on panels, they they may got know going on in the background or doing something. But I was really just curious to why all the men on the panel, there's one woman.
I'm just I wonder why she wasn't leading in this conversation and that's all that >> I keep telling him the same thing, >> but he don't want to hear that part.
>> So So you saying they're dying because they don't have enough money, >> right? That's what he's saying. Yeah.
>> Even though what I'm saying is you can correlate the two.
>> No, you can't.
>> So yeah. So just because the numbers add up that doesn't mean that it's okay. So shout to look up women that have the same insurance, whatever level that is that you can find, and see if there's a difference in what's happening to black women in any other race. Same insurance.
If it's all everybody that's on Medicaid, anybody that's on private, let's look up what is the correlation to that part and we'll see what you say goes up.
>> Let me ask another layer of this.
He said, "I'm a dummy because women is dying because they don't got good enough uh health insurance."
>> I want to like I want to go to the next layer, right?
>> Not that why we not why we not concerned regardless if it is that we should still be in high alert and high concern that black women are dying three times more than any other race in the same situation.
>> So can I can we go to the next layer now or you want to stay?
>> Yeah, go ahead. You man. So the next layer is too it is proven that white women since we're doing a white and black today white women actually go to more doctor visits 15% more than black women. So they >> What the Okay, you know what? Let me let him finish. What the [ __ ] that got to do with anything >> actually go to more doctor visits 15% more than black women. So they actually catch things faster than it happening with black women. Do you hear this?
Do y'all hear this?
>> All right. I'm putting cases on all you [ __ ] I'm putting cases on all you [ __ ] >> What am I hearing? So, once again, see how when the the topic is on a certain particular subject or particular topic and how it's like, well, white women they, you know, they go to the doctor 50% more than women, so they stuff faster.
what the [ __ ] they got to black women express their concern or their pain or what they feel like is going on with their concern is not taken with with general care. What are we doing?
>> Do you disagree with that?
>> Yes, I disagree.
>> With a straight face >> I know you really come off you. We really can't have a conversation cuz y'all >> No, no, man. Because y'all like to throw stuff out there. Y'all don't site y'all sources. Y'all just site.
>> I can site it right now. I can site it right now for you.
>> Please site your source. Please.
>> The research department known as the Family Foundation did this report.
>> Oh man.
>> That's what I'm saying. It's like the policy center the policy center for the maternal mental health. Literally the PCM. I'm looking.
>> No, I came up with aneot Let's tell the sauce that Ed is going to put that sauce in the back as well.
Shadow moving back right now. Chat, can you still hear me?
>> Yeah, we can hear you.
>> Okay. All right. The maternal mortality rate in 2023 the mortal the mortality rates for black women was 54 deaths per 100,000 live births more than 3.4 times the rate for white women in the same insurance policy.
uh factors beyond innocent is the hospital qualities hospital qualities which 53% of black parent uh black patients deliver in non-eing black servant hospitals which are often have fewer resources compared to the 19.1% of white patients and then talks about the systematic bias and it says black women have the highest cerian rate of 36% even for lowrisk births so they're more likely to go through cer I guess a section which adds I guess income >> wait but we skipped over talked systematic bias which is asking let's not move past >> systemic bias issues such as medical >> bad systemic my bad >> right >> yeah but >> issues such a okay >> is that not thing though >> is that not what >> a horrible thing >> no we're not saying it's not >> no he actually just proved Shan's point he actually illustrated point >> he did say that even >> yeah even with insurance It's unequal medical treatment. It's unequal medical treatment metric by about 43%. So yeah, you actually it comes after what% so and as we move forward, I do want y >> hold on. So what I'm saying is this.
When I do talk about something, trust me, I am not you are not arguing me.
I know y'all always feel like y'all arguing me, but you really not. you'll argue something that is looked up and that is somewhere in the ethosphere as a fact. I just don't I want y'all to go look it look up yourselves. I don't want people to just believe me just because it's me. I want people to hear what I'm saying and then start doing some research on their own so they can learn how to critically think for themselves.
I don't want people to depend on me because I ain't gonna be here 247 because people start to hear things.
They need to start critically think like is this true? Okay. Why does this website say it's true versus this one saying it's wrong?
>> Facts. Yep. compare and contrast the two informations and then now you can actually have critically think a critical thought and now you could process the information for how you see fit because of the information you gathered >> and your finds right so you know for example they're arguing something then now hopefully you say you know what SNL Chiron never lies >> oh way better than that >> I'm gonna say it also it also co-signed what he said because again especially during pregnancy. It's even saying that black women aren't even going through the same care that women of other races are, which makes sense again, which makes sense based on this record. If you're not getting the same care and you're not getting the same thing on top of the medical coercion, on top like there's a multi-layer factors that are all leading to this compounding issue.
So, I do your work, brother, because we came in talking about insurance. So, now we say they got the same insurance, right? Now they not getting the same amount of care, which goes what people saying. Even when they have the insurance, they not getting the same care. What are y'all missing?
I'm not missing nothing. Chicago either man about people making excuses and all. No.
No. Goofy. That's why I said when he got up, big waterhead boy.
Hold on. I gotta read a comment. I gotta find it first.
Okay. Y'all keep cooking while comments.
So, I'm getting cursed out.
I think that's the that's the part that I wanted to look at. I'm going to go into a different conversation or extension of that. But that was the main thing that I wanted to to look at cuz once again I think it's the disconnect for me when you know not just in general when people have these conversations but you know the the the lack of you know it's it's easy research right when I say research I know people's like oh you think you're a Google scholar or you think Google have all the answers I mean to know like you want to know something go look it up right you know, gather your stats, gather your information for your argument, but just coming in there think I think you know uh women they or you know people just want pain meds and don't like huh once again not on the the topic and the topic is about black women losing their life because they're not being heard right they're not um that's a concern that's not taken and it's not taken seriously. Their their their their spouses, the people advocating for them is not being heard in these situations.
And you see how these guys just, you know, deflect from that. And even like the fact Ed man brought up the fact, well, you know, white women, they have better care. Of course, they go to the doctor 15% more than black women. Okay.
Either way, once again, they're dying.
Women mortality rate, we have that. But black women are dying at a higher rate than white women in this regard. So it got to be something more than just she was a symptom their lives. But anyway y'all listen it's getting late. It's time for my baby to go to bed. Okay. So, um, like I said, there is a playlist that I do have on my channel in regards to, um, the different new clips I have found in regards to this topic. So, if you want, if they're on the channel and I will be adding more videos because once again, the fact people just kind of overlook and say, "Oh, well, you know, it's not that big a number. It's not happening at the larger scale." Okay, say so if you want to, right? Anyway, I know you're sleepy.
Anyway, um yeah, he he he ready to go to bed. So, anyway, I'm going to get out of here, you guys. But anyway, the playlist is there. So, um you know, check it out periodically. I may even share it here um often depending on how much I can find. But I definitely probably would even probably find like maybe like clips and just clip them together or uploading them so people can just see it for themselves instead of just you know assuming that oh it's it's a big deal not a thing or you know if they just had the better healthcare or it doesn't it doesn't matter in that regard and like I used Williams um and there also other celebrities as well that has you know gone through the same thing. So anyway, um I appreciate everybody that came through show support. Hey, black and proud that often called out Shiron for spreading misinformation. I appreciate everybody coming through, okay? Showing support. Um once again, thank you so much uh for your cash appear twin. Okay, support is always appreciated. And I also appreciate everybody that have came through, hit that like, comment, subscribe, and everything um else. But stay tuned, okay? Make sure you hit that subscribe button cuz of course more content to come. I'm definitely trying to get back into the swing and be more consistent in these things. But I really do appreciate everybody that has shown support um throughout these times. So anyway, I will see y'all next time on the flip side. Y'all have a good night.
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