Hokum (Very Long) Spoiler Discussion

Añadido: 2026-05-19

[00:00:00]All right. So, welcome back, Kaylee.

[00:00:04]She's been gone for a long time. I want to say this is about a month since you've recorded.

[00:00:11]>> Yeah.

[00:00:11]>> So, this has got to feel weird a little bit.

[00:00:15]>> Yeah. A Well, yes and no.

[00:00:18]>> Yeah. I mean, you've done this a lot.

[00:00:19]>> Yeah, I have.

[00:00:20]>> But it's This is the longest you've ever been away from the channel since you started on.

[00:00:25]>> Yes. Very long time. Now, some of you guys probably like I'm sure you noticed Kaylee was gone, but like there was a lot of videos we recorded before you left >> and I was releasing them like periodically as you were gone. So, I think a lot of people like thought those were >> current.

[00:00:44]>> Current. Yeah.

[00:00:45]>> So, no, but Kaylee hasn't recorded a video in like a month. Um, so a lot of the videos you've been seeing with her from the film festivals were recorded a month ago.

[00:00:54]>> Recorded in the past. Um anyway, so uh I already did a spoilerfree discussion for Hokum. I went and saw it by myself, but I had to go see it again when Kayla got back. We're going to also see Obsession Day After Tomorrow. I got to see that in the film festival. You also missed that.

[00:01:13]Um which was a bummer.

[00:01:15]>> Yes, >> big time.

[00:01:16]>> Big time bummer.

[00:01:17]>> Uh but now we get to do a spoiler discussion, which we've been slacking on them spoiler discussions for sure. We said we were going to do them for all the big movies and we're lying pieces of garbage. So, we're going to stop being lying pieces of garbage for at least a video and then we'll go right back to it.

[00:01:37]>> Yes.

[00:01:37]>> So, no, we're going to do an obsession one as well for sure. I'm also going to show you They Will Kill You.

[00:01:44]>> Okay.

[00:01:45]>> Which we can do a spoiler discussion on as well. Um, so maybe from now on I should go see him first and then the second time >> we see him together.

[00:01:55]>> See him together and then we can do the spoiler discussion >> perhaps.

[00:01:58]>> Just kid. Terrible idea. Um, but I I don't like doing these spoiler discussions unless I've seen the movie twice.

[00:02:05]>> Yeah.

[00:02:06]>> And I also like being able to take notes, which I did not do for this one.

[00:02:09]I'm just going to wing it with this one.

[00:02:12]Top of the head type of thing. But, you know, I feel pretty confident in this one now that I saw it. the second time.

[00:02:19]Um, so for those of you who saw Hoka, this one's for you. Uh, if you have not seen it, there's a spoiler-free discussion if you want it or just go see the damn thing. Damen McCarthy's new film with Adam Scott, uh, his followup to Oddity, one of my favorite films from a couple years ago.

[00:02:38]So, Kayla, since you were not in the original video, giving your thoughts on this film, >> uh, >> what were they? My thoughts were that I really liked this film. I had a good time with it. I was like pretty scared.

[00:02:54]Um, there definitely was multiple scenes that kind of got me, so to speak, as far as like jump scares and just freaky stuff going on. Um, this was the first movie in theaters, right, that I've seen in like over a month, too.

[00:03:11]>> I know.

[00:03:12]>> So, um, yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think it's got a really great atmosphere to it. I really like that there is it's about a witch.

[00:03:21]>> Um >> always really love witch movies and I thought this one was very cool and very well done because it's kind of like a witch/haunting movie too. Like it has some elements that it feels like there's ghosts and you know spirit stuff going on for sure. Um >> absolutely.

[00:03:39]>> Yeah. And I just I really enjoyed it. I I I like the the narrative like arc of our main character as well. He kind of starts off as just this totally bitter and depressed [ __ ] that sort of doesn't care if he takes it out on anyone around him and he ends the movie sort of reformed I guess from that version of himself and I enjoyed that journey that we went on with him. Yeah, the experience definitely changes him and it also kind of uh acts as a bit of therapy for him. Yeah.

[00:04:18]>> Um because obviously he never addressed what ended up happening uh in his childhood and he's just kept that inside and I think there's a lot of like symbolism uh with without uh throughout the journey um that we can talk about and whatnot but uh I guess yeah we'll jump into it. as you had said, this is like a haunted house movie with a witch in the basement.

[00:04:41]>> Um, which yeah, I mean that's a great combination. We had talked about on the channel many times how there isn't enough serious like scary adult witch horror movies.

[00:04:56]And you know, I can only assume there's also others that share our sentiment, right? I doubt that the movie producers and filmmakers out there were exclusively watching this channel to make this decision, but I feel like um you know, and I don't know what movie to give the credit to uh for ushering in this new era of witch films. Maybe Robert Edgar's the Witch or something. I don't know. But uh there's a lot of them. There's been a lot lately that we've seen where it's like, "Oh, another witch movie. Another witch movie." And that's exciting. Um, bring them on. I mean, keep them coming. I really enjoy seeing it because I think that it is scary when it's done like this. Um, we're used to the more like PG-13 or even PGrated like like familyfriendly horror like Hocus Pocus and whatnot.

[00:05:55]That's usually the route they go with witches.

[00:05:58]>> Yeah. The cool thing about like witches is that there are a lot of different interpretations and almost aesthetics or I guess genres or vibes that you can go with. Like you can have like the practical magic. Yeah.

[00:06:14]>> Charm type of witches where they're good and >> kind of seen as heroes or you know at least the protagonists of the story and they're usually like beautiful women.

[00:06:24]And then you can also go the other route of like scary hags. And I think both of those are very like fascinating and interesting, especially kind of from like a social perspective as far as what they say about like women specifically because women are witches in most cases, right? Like um I don't know. But I I really do like the darker scary witches. Um because yeah, I for so long it felt like we really didn't have any of those films. I feel like the 90s and early 2000s really had a lot of the more um like love and light, blessed be type of witchcraft and witches. Yeah.

[00:07:02]And now definitely definitely since like the witch since Robert Edgar is the witch like it's it gets darker and darker and a lot more of the fairy tale vibe of like the witch in the woods that's out there to eat children or trick travelers or whatever. So, >> you make a good point, though. You know, I'm I'm sitting here kind of racking my brain on, you know, witches. Now, as far as like the playful, familyfriendly side of things go, um, and it doesn't even have to be family friendly, but it's much more like the like uh like a protagonist versus an antagonist. You're right. I mean, the witches are almost always like attractive. They're either Nicole get uh Nicole Kidman or Sarah Jessica Parker or whatever, right?

[00:07:54]>> Um but there's not many that I can think of where it's a like scary witch movie and the witch is attractive. It's like a good-looking woman, >> right? Like that's that's on the rarer side of it. But you do have ugly witches within the familyfriendly ones.

[00:08:13]>> You definitely do. It it goes between those two. It's either they're like ugly and old or they're beautiful. And like the love witch I would say like she's I mean that's kind of a more scary but it's not what you're really >> Yeah. I don't know. It's definitely >> the only one that I can think of really off the top of my head just because I rewatched it just the other day is Gretle and Hansel because the witch in that is like old and scary, but her real form is a hot young woman >> and she disguises herself as like a frail old woman to lure kids in because she doesn't look as threatening, which I actually think is [ __ ] She actually is way more threatening as the old woman, but regardless, yeah, I mean, she's like a hot woman in that. Um, but yeah, anyway, so let's talk about Hokum.

[00:09:05]So, we have our opening, which admittedly when this opening happened, I thought I walked into the wrong theater for a second because I was not expecting there to be some conquestador type of like, you know, um, Spaniard walking through the desert. I was like, what the [ __ ] movie am I did I walk into? This is not this is not what I was expecting at all. So, I actually like had to like sit there for a minute, be like, "Okay, I hope this is the right movie, otherwise I'm sitting in the wrong [ __ ] and I'm missing my movie in the other theater." Um, but yeah, so you get this this tale that he's telling, which of course, I mean, I I noticed things more on the second viewing for sure, especially since the first viewing I was very tired and I was I was confused on some things, but all of them were cleared up in my second viewing.

[00:09:59]But I thought, you know, the story is very um metaphorical for his relationship with his father, right? Like the bottle came between them and basically is what ended their relationship, >> right? His dad chose the bottle over him and and is going to beat him to death with it. And in the end, the bottle still doesn't break and they both are doomed to die, right? Which is like their fates. It's like his dad died and now he's there to kill himself and it's like the bottle is the one that took them both out cuz he's now an alcoholic himself, right?

[00:10:36]>> Yeah. But >> the bottle is symbolic of the alcoholism and the death is symbolic of like their relationship and what happened to them after the mother died.

[00:10:44]>> Yeah, I think that that's definitely part of it, but there's also like the very like to jump to the literally the basically the end, but like the very last shot of that story like when he rewrites it Yeah.

[00:10:54]>> is the bottle lands next to a skull.

[00:10:56]>> Skull. So it's not like there is hope that is like they can use the skull to break the bottle. So um and I think that's definitely that's the ending of the film too in general is that like he's [ __ ] up for sure but like and he has all this trauma but there is still hope and he's given basically like a third chance at life really. Um, >> I also think there's a meta quality to that as well because he talks about how in like in books you can have that more >> um darker ending >> darker ending but you know in the crappy movie they'll give you the hopeful ending and it's like they give you the hopeful ending at the end.

[00:11:32]>> I think that's very clever.

[00:11:33]>> And of course also the mom is dead and buried >> and like the son and the and the father kind of unear the buried remains.

[00:11:42]>> Sure. that like bring them together.

[00:11:44]It's like almost addressing the mother >> who's died, which they never were able to do.

[00:11:50]>> Yeah.

[00:11:50]>> During their real life.

[00:11:52]>> No, for sure. I I like that interpretation of it. What is So, in the beginning, like when we see that he's like the writer and then he like sees that shadow figure in his doorway, that's his mom.

[00:12:02]>> So, is she there like >> warning him or she points to something, right? like she's putting her finger out and then he he opens up the ashes and whatnot which ultimately leads him >> to the hotel. The Bilberry. Is that what it's called?

[00:12:20]>> Bilberry. Yeah.

[00:12:21]>> Um I think she's pointing at the box and then she's making I think what she's trying to do is I think she's trying to get him to deal with what he did.

[00:12:29]>> Well, yes.

[00:12:29]>> Right. Because he opens up the box and he finds the gun >> and that's the gun of course that shot his mother. Yeah, it that would make sense because he is like >> pushing it down and not and >> at first he's like, "Okay, the way I deal with it is by killing myself." But anyway, like yeah, so he goes to this this inn that they went to on their honeymoon and >> uh he has a picture of her by this giant like redwood tree and she's very happy and >> um the inn is like this really quaint like Irish um I don't know it feels very Irish but like kind of touristy tooish I guess like sort of but he's going like literally on Halloween which is really cool. So, I like that that's an element to it. And like they have um I think there are jacko'lanterns, but they I think they mostly have the like the gourds like are they radish gourds or something? Um which is I think like the more traditional like what I don't know if it's radishes but like other gourds that they were like carving like throughout the hotel which gives it a really cool look. Um when he goes there's like a dead goat uh that they apparently like have problems with because they jump on cars and They're tripping on mushrooms.

[00:13:44]>> They're tripping on mushrooms and they're looking at themselves in the reflective glass which deepens their trip. Um, which I think is also very metaphorical because what he does is look at himself deeper throughout this whole like experience that he has and going through like not only do we find out that he is >> potentially he is on mushrooms actually not potentially like he is on mushrooms which is maybe why he's able to see the things that he does but he literally goes on a trip to the underworld. Um, yeah. Now, he doesn't go fully into the underworld, I guess you could say, because that's the story that we get from the old man who owns the inn, who's telling these two kids the story of the witch in the beginning, and it's very scary. And the like miniature set that they have with all these little like children is really cool, but really freaky.

[00:14:39]>> Yeah. and he's talking about how like she would like trick them and chain them up and then like take them through the underworld basically. And um that is what happens to our main character where he he does kind of go. It's this also sort of reminded me a little bit of like 1408ish, right? With like the hotel vibes and >> the Yeah. All that stuff and the writer and you know, right? And shout out to the back uh like the the backstory being very much like the movie Pieces.

[00:15:10]>> Yeah.

[00:15:11]>> I mean, >> yeah.

[00:15:13]>> Uh I'm sorry, not Pieces. The Mutilator.

[00:15:16]>> Oh, sorry.

[00:15:17]>> I was like, wait a minute. I know I said the right wrong title here. I was like, wait, what movie? No, The Mutilator.

[00:15:22]Yeah, this is like the exact same backstory as The Mutilator. The si the kid's like polishing his dad's gun, accidentally shoots his mom, his dad comes home and they have this strained relationship for the rest of their life and his dad's like doesn't talk to him anymore or whatever and then ends up trying to kill him. That's obviously a different twist to things and the mutilator. But I that's all I could think about when I was watching this is like this is the [ __ ] mutilator backstory.

[00:15:48]>> What's really crazy too as like a side personal story, I don't think I've told this on the channel. Well, I know you already know it, but when I was younger, when I was like like three or four years old, um I used to climb on like everything in the house, and I was climbing on like the kitchen countertops uh one day unsupervised, unfortunately, and I got up to like one of the top areas, like the top part of the cupboard, and I pulled down a gun that my dad had there, and um he came around and like found me on there with like a gun, and I did not shoot him. Um, I don't know if it was loaded, but I always think about that with things like this because like I very much found a gun when I was a kid and I could have shot somebody or myself. And um, so yeah, anyway, if you have guns, make sure they are locked in safes and far away from children >> or maybe just don't have guns also. But if you have them, make sure they're they're very much contained.

[00:16:48]>> Yeah. I mean, it's it's unbelievable how many kids shoot themselves at their other people in the house because they get a hold of a gun.

[00:16:58]>> Well, cuz I remember too, like I had no idea really what it was, but one of the things when I was younger is that I really liked stuff that had like weight to it. Like I liked holding like heavy stuff. Yeah.

[00:17:10]>> Like I have this picture of me as a kid holding these two like double D batteries like just because I liked the weight of them. And I remember like finding it and being like, "Oh, like this." Like it feels nice. Like it felt good. It was like metal and heavy, you know, like so. But I didn't know what it was like.

[00:17:27]>> Yeah.

[00:17:27]>> And yeah. Anyway, I did not kill anybody that day.

[00:17:31]>> Good.

[00:17:32]>> Not that you remember. You blocked. You blocked it. I remember it.

[00:17:36]>> Um Yeah. I mean, I think what's I think what's really cool uh and was unexpected about this film for sure, and it's just not something you see in a lot of American movies, um is that our our main character here, M. What a name.

[00:17:54]>> O H.

[00:17:55]>> Oh, yeah. His last name is M.

[00:17:57]>> No, his first name.

[00:17:58]>> His first name is M.

[00:18:00]>> Balman.

[00:18:02]Yeah.

[00:18:03]>> Such a crazy name.

[00:18:04]>> That's a weird name. Um, but yeah, he's an [ __ ] Like >> he's such a [ __ ] [ __ ] right? And you're right, he he does feel a lot like Michael Insulin from 1408.

[00:18:18]>> Yeah, but he's even worse in this because like I thought at first, like I think when we're first introduced to him, like when he first speaks rather, he like is like, "Hey, are those your kids?"

[00:18:28]>> Yeah.

[00:18:28]>> And you kind of think like, "Oh, he's >> been a good guy."

[00:18:31]>> Yeah. like a good guy, but he's just being like that like um very like straightforward American like whatever.

[00:18:37]Like why the [ __ ] are you scaring these kids? But no, that's I mean maybe he did want to look out for them a little bit, but he just gets like there's so many things that he gets so awful about. So, the old man that he does that to, Cobb, who owns the place, um, is it said in the movie somewhere that his wife went missing or something or >> um, it might have been. I don't remember entirely. I think maybe that's why they why he trapped the witch >> is what I would imagine, but when we see >> Is that a Oh, >> go ahead.

[00:19:12]>> Actually, no. I don't think this is it.

[00:19:14]I feel like there's a story about the the honeymoon suite like so and I know somebody locked themselves in there at one point but I don't know because the witch is in the woods up until she's trapped in that part of the hotel so I don't I don't really know.

[00:19:28]>> Yeah. So when when he goes down into the basement and he sees all the things hanging from those like chains I guess she kind of puts trophies up of every victim she takes.

[00:19:40]>> Yeah. Um the one of the things that's hanging there is one of those dolls that he tells the story of in the house.

[00:19:48]>> Yes, it that's actually >> I'm assuming that's his like like what >> I think that the girl that goes missing the bellhop bow.

[00:19:56]>> No, her name starts with a >> or not the bellhop.

[00:20:00]>> Fiona. Yeah, >> she has one of those uh when she goes missing like she's like holding one.

[00:20:06]She's holding one.

[00:20:06]>> Yeah. So that's supposed to be from her for hers. Okay.

[00:20:09]>> Yeah.

[00:20:10]Okay.

[00:20:11]>> Did remember that because I noticed it too. Um but yeah, >> there's also a lighter.

[00:20:17]>> Yes. Um >> the lighter is from uh the bellhop. He drops it. Remember he tells the story about how he's like looking in the darkness.

[00:20:27]So she takes it.

[00:20:28]>> Oh, interesting. Yeah.

[00:20:29]>> So she hangs that up even though she didn't take him.

[00:20:32]>> Yeah. which actually I guess could suggest >> in the moment that he's like, >> you know, an ally or like a puppet of hers.

[00:20:44]>> Um >> I mean he Yeah, >> but no, I mean he doesn't end up being the case, >> but I guess there is a case to be made for like he was working with her because he did drug him.

[00:20:56]>> He did and he did even though he didn't drink the drugged drink until later. But yeah.

[00:21:01]>> Yeah. Uh, >> I don't think so. But it was just It's interesting that she like hangs up something of his >> like she was in possession of him, but she never was.

[00:21:11]>> She just found his thing. Like she doesn't take random [ __ ] from around the hotel room and hang it up to to our knowledge. But she took his thing and put it up with all the other victim's things. So that's odd.

[00:21:23]>> Yeah. I don't know. She just likes trinkets.

[00:21:26]>> Me too.

[00:21:27]>> Um, >> yeah. home whenever he's like checking in like again in that opening scene when he's at the inn um the manager's like oh I recognize you my son is like a fan of your books like can I bring a book up to like have you autograph it and he's like no >> he's just like no and then there's also like uh >> the the Halloween party that's going on and he's like it'll be a lot of fun he's like put me as far away from all from the crack as possible.

[00:22:00]>> Um, which is funny because he's just he's just a dick. Like that's all.

[00:22:06]Yeah, I I think there's some great like I think there's some great storytelling like visual storytelling and just like kind of little clips that you can piece together later like when he tells the story about his mom getting shot in the face and they were like what they do to the guy and he was like there was too young you know he was too young for them to do anything but they should have hanged him and then he literally goes and hangs himself. we find out he's the young boy that shot her and then also like when they're pouring, you know, pours out the ashes and like he's so careful and considerate with his mothers, but his dad's he just kind of like dumps them like [ __ ] this guy. But then he does place them both together within the tree. Mhm.

[00:22:49]>> Um, but he does obvious and then obviously when he's talking to Fiona at the thing and she's talking about the story and he's like uh he like I don't he says to her in that moment essentially like it I don't remember the exact wording so I'm paraphrasing to a degree but like like it looks like it's going to go unfinished or something like that. Oh, he's like open-ended, I think, is what he says. And I don't think he says it to Fiona. I think he says it to >> Oh, because he asked how it's going. And I think like I I don't know. I think it's going to be a more open-ended.

[00:23:30]>> Okay. So, like >> like ending.

[00:23:33]So, I guess the way I took that after hearing it the second time is like at that point he was still deciding on whether or not he was gonna kill himself >> and like it's going to just have to remain open-ended because I'm never going to finish the [ __ ] thing.

[00:23:50]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:52]>> Right. Like I'm gonna die.

[00:23:54]>> Kind of how he meant it. Yeah. He's so mean to Albi. It's so awful. That guy comes up and he's just like, "I'm a writer, too." And he like rags.

[00:24:03]>> Oh, this must be a Halloween costume.

[00:24:05]>> Yeah. He's like, "You're not a writer.

[00:24:06]You're a [ __ ] bellhop." Like, "You loser." And then he like pulls out his tape recorder and he's like, "Idea for a character." Like oblivious.

[00:24:14]>> Waste of air or whatever the freak he says. Um, so mean. Just so mean. And then he burns him with a freaking spoon.

[00:24:22]>> Like so. Like just imagine a stranger doing that. And like I get it. I know we've probably talked on here before, you know, famous people or not notable like people that are Yeah.

[00:24:34]famous, right? I'm sure it does get annoying for them to go out and like not be able to just be a person. Um, but I don't know. I don't think Alb's being insane and it's not like he's being swarmed by people like hell no.

[00:24:48]>> He's just kind of, you know, being a fan of him. And you know, to be honest, like, yeah, although I do think that you absolutely everyone deserves their privacy and their personal space and they don't need to be swarmed by people.

[00:25:00]Um, when you're a writer or an actor or whatever, like the fans are who like make you famous. Like they're the ones that pay your bills, you know, by supporting you. So there is like a a balance, I think, to those things, right? Um, but it's difficult. Anyway, but he's mean. He burns him with a spoon, which is crazy.

[00:25:17]>> Yeah. I mean, in that situation, you can just be like like, "Look, it's nice to meet you. I'm trying to have a private moment if you don't mind. I I'm not really in the mood to talk to anyone tonight. I hope that doesn't come across as a like a dick thing to say, but not in the right headsp space right now."

[00:25:35]>> Instead of just like acting gruff and passive aggressive >> and being like, "You're not getting my heat." Like, you can't tell. It's like, "Why don't you just say it outright then?" Yeah. Like >> Yeah. I definitely don't like when people do that kind of thing.

[00:25:47]>> Especially since he seems to be such a curt person anyway.

[00:25:50]>> Yeah.

[00:25:51]>> It's like, I don't want to talk to you.

[00:25:52]Go away.

[00:25:53]>> No, he just >> because he has no problem saying things to people and that, you know, when when Mal's like, "Oh, maybe I'll bring a book for you to sign for my son." He's like, "Nope."

[00:26:02]>> Yeah.

[00:26:03]>> Like he just straight up is like, "No."

[00:26:05]Right. Um he is nicer to women, though.

[00:26:08]>> He is. And I don't really know what that is, but I really like women. I like >> his dad and his mom is why.

[00:26:13]>> Oh, you said women. I thought um I thought you were talking about for some reason that guy.

[00:26:18]>> Oh, Jerry.

[00:26:19]>> Jerry. I don't know why I thought his name was like something with a W. Um >> yeah, >> Jerry. Yes, he is nicer to Jerry though too >> as well. I feel like in the beginning at least when he first meets him. I mean, yeah, maybe because he's like, "Oh, this guy's just like on drugs or whatever."

[00:26:34]But um >> I I really like >> I think he finds him fascinating.

[00:26:38]>> Yeah.

[00:26:38]>> Right. He's almost like a character to him in a book or something. So he he's just more intrigued by Jerry.

[00:26:45]>> Yeah.

[00:26:46]>> Um but the way he talks to Fiona versus the way he talks to or Malar he is I think that's just because he's into Fiona obviously like >> she's a very attractive woman >> and I think that's part of it for sure.

[00:27:01]>> Yeah. Um yeah. uh all the stuff with the mushrooms we kind of talked about with the goats and everything and um >> that must be a pretty [ __ ] like uh like rural area cuz if if Fiona's [ __ ] Mal, she don't have many options, especially since that guy is like married with kids and everything.

[00:27:25]It's like really you couldn't do better than that guy. And yeah, the fact that he's just like gonna kill her because she wants to keep I mean I I guess that is something that happens.

[00:27:37]>> He's afraid of cop, right? That's his >> father-in-law, right?

[00:27:41]>> Yeah. Is that he's like he'll he's [ __ ] mean to me no matter what. And if I now he knows I [ __ ] cheated on his daughter, I'm done for for sure.

[00:27:52]>> But yeah, killing her.

[00:27:54]>> It's so insane.

[00:27:56]>> But uh yeah, it's so sad. do it for sure.

[00:28:00]>> She finds uh hanging. So she just she gets a bad feeling, right? She has in intuition like something's wrong like open the door.

[00:28:11]>> Yeah. And >> Jerry talks about that.

[00:28:12]>> He does. He he talks about it later saying like she always said like Yeah.

[00:28:16]And um I I like that. But I like that a lot of this is about people kind of trusting their intuition and also like having these experiences like I guess partly because they are on drugs but >> well you've talked about this how you think like these drugs open up >> I definitely think that they can for sure. I don't I mean yeah I think that there's like a filter like a a filtering valve that our minds have and I think that psychedelics especially are something that can kind of open that filter open that valve wider so that you can see and experience more of reality than you would in like your normal consciousness. And I think the same thing can happen in other altered states too like not necessarily just on psychedelics. Like I think you know people that do like really deep meditation and stuff like regularly they can have those kinds of experiences um like traumatic experiences can also do the same thing to you where you just have like a widened perspective. But um I I like that that's a part of this because it is very uh folky I guess a lot of um yeah I think it's cool and >> one thing I think I would have liked to have seen though just to kind of drive that point home and I do think it's a bit of a missed opportunity when it comes to like that specifically with like the drugs opening up his mind to seeing like the true reality and that's what allowed him to see the witch and the the ghosts uh you know hear the ghost's voice or like be attuned to Fiona's spirit who obviously helps him throughout this movie and we'll talk about that in a minute but um when uh Mal is down in the basement with him or even just anywhere I guess it would have been good And same thing with Albi, right? But Albi says he has a relationship with Jerry. So to me, it is believable to think maybe Albi doses at work a little bit, but with Mal, I don't think he's on anything. And he is able to see the witch from what I can tell.

[00:30:29]So it would have been cool for him to like be screaming at M like what is it?

[00:30:36]What is it? You know, like kind of like he can't see it because he's not on drugs. Yeah.

[00:30:41]>> Right. Just some kind of mention of like him basically being at a disadvantage.

[00:30:49]>> Sure.

[00:30:50]>> Because he can't see true reality, but but M can't.

[00:30:55]>> Yeah, that would have been interesting for sure. Um I think that she can probably like show herself to people as well. Um >> yeah, >> and uh yeah, I I think she's scary though. Like when we get Alb's like account of what he sees and it's just like the blackness. Yeah. And you see her face.

[00:31:15]>> Yeah. With her like >> so freaky.

[00:31:17]>> Her eyes are like >> they're kind of like dead eyes almost but >> Well, they have like a almost like a flame.

[00:31:24]>> Yeah.

[00:31:25]>> In the socket.

[00:31:26]>> They're scary. That's really scary.

[00:31:29]>> Yeah.

[00:31:29]>> Um >> Yeah. That would have been cool though to have like maybe some mention of of it if because Yeah. at the end when he's when Albi admits to being like, "I spiked your your whiskey bottle or whatever and like he looks down at his arms at his hands and like he has marks from the shackles." So, it's like it did happen.

[00:31:47]>> Yeah.

[00:31:47]>> And um >> or at least he, you know, experienced something similar and and perceived it that way.

[00:31:55]>> Uh but we I mean we saw reality, right?

[00:31:57]>> Yeah.

[00:31:58]>> Uh but it's it's it's interesting how much Fiona helps him throughout, right?

[00:32:03]like not only does she save his life with her intuition, um she literally comes into his room and cuts him down and uh is able to save his life in that way. Um, but she also when he's at the bar tells him a very important piece of information of grabbing a chalk and drawing a circle.

[00:32:25]And then of course uh, you know, beyond death, uh, she throws on the tape recorder at certain times to inform him of information he's going to need. Um, I'm assuming she's the one who locked the gate so that Mal can't leave after he kills Jerry and leaves. And you know that gate was open for him to come up and follow Jerry, but it was locked when he went to leave again. Um, so it locked itself somehow where it wasn't able to lock itself previously. And then also when uh M passes out from smoke inhilation, >> she calls out >> you know when uh freaking >> uh >> No, it's not Jerry. It's um >> the other guy the likeman.

[00:33:18]>> It was It's like a weird name. Fergle.

[00:33:20]>> Fergle.

[00:33:21]>> Yeah, Fergle is like he when he hears a voice calling out, it's a woman's voice.

[00:33:25]It's very clearly Fiona's voice calling for help.

[00:33:29]>> Also be his mom because his mom does show up as well.

[00:33:32]>> She does, but I'm going to >> But I think Fiona is much more >> But you're right, mom does show up and she like like kisses his cheek and caresses his other cheek or something like that.

[00:33:41]>> She kind of gives him some help here and there, too.

[00:33:43]>> So, it's possible his mom is the one doing everything.

[00:33:47]No, I think Fiona is definitely doing it because at the end whenever he does like kind of like get out like her eyes are open and then they're closed because she's like like Fiona's eyes.

[00:33:59]>> She also disappears.

[00:34:00]>> Kind of like I'm gone. Yeah, she does.

[00:34:02]That's scary. I think that's the witch like messing with him though. I don't think that that's >> You think so? Do you think she can manipulate things up in the room even though she's in the basement?

[00:34:10]>> Definitely. Definitely.

[00:34:12]>> How do Okay, how did she get into the elevator? I guess she can just climb up that thing at any point.

[00:34:17]>> That was awful. I hated that.

[00:34:20]>> So, she can climb up there, but she can't get through the gate.

[00:34:23]>> Is there like a circle or something drawn? Like they should have shown how she was.

[00:34:28]>> There was like So, there's something at It's not upstairs though. It's underneath like in the basement.

[00:34:34]>> I wish we definitely could have seen or that I could have seen the movie again because the book the book that he has or that that that folklore book where there's like draw the chalk circle.

[00:34:44]>> We saw that. the doorway. Yeah, the doorway is also in there. But I don't know what the doorway is for. I don't know if that doorway is like gate like to keep her there or >> maybe that's how he brought her into the room and then closed it, >> right? That's like what I was thinking.

[00:34:56]So, I don't know. I don't know what that is. Um but uh yeah. Anyway, I I don't know. I guess why she can't leave the that room. She's she's trapped there.

[00:35:06]But when she climbs up the freaking elevator shaft thing, it's not really an elevator. It's like a dumb waiter. But when she climbs up that, that was awful.

[00:35:15]And when she's like chasing him through the room and then he gets into the honeymoon suite and like there's like the windows on top of the door and she's like up there looking at him.

[00:35:24]>> She hops.

[00:35:26]>> That's what she does. She jumps and like she's like >> and she looks for half a second. That was great.

[00:35:31]>> That was great. It was really scary. And then also when she I don't know actually when this happens, but when he like is coming out of the room, there's all this like tension and then she's like right behind him. I don't know what part that happens and I don't think it's >> that's when she's in the basement.

[00:35:44]>> That's >> that's when he's in the basement and it's before he can finish the chalk circle and that's how she's able to take him prisoner is cuz he hasn't finished the circle completely and she ends up behind him and then grabs him. Right.

[00:35:57]>> Oh no. I'm talking there's a scene in in the honeymoon suite where he's like coming from the bedroom. He's like walking >> and she's like I don't know if it's the witch or somebody else.

[00:36:07]>> It's not the witch. It's his mom. It's Fiona, I think. I think it's >> somebody's like right behind him like walks into the room with him. I don't know if that's any I think that might just be like the person who died in there last.

[00:36:18]>> No, but it freaked me out. That was really good. Um, >> that kind of reminds me of the scare in the first Insidious when the guy's walking outside and then he walks this way and then he walks back in.

[00:36:29]>> Yeah, it's kind of like that for sure.

[00:36:31]>> Yeah, it's a it's a good one when he walks back into the room. Um, I No, I don't know how you felt about this. I don't think you even watched my review or even knew my thoughts going into the movie other than I enjoyed it.

[00:36:41]>> I actually didn't watch the review.

[00:36:43]>> Um, so my big comp my big complaint for the first watch and I didn't have it as much the second time because it was way less than I thought it was. But the initial scares that we have in the first like 45 minutes before he goes into the honeymoon suite, um, all of those are like very classic generic setup scares executions.

[00:37:10]And I was pretty surprised by that and I didn't like it. I was just like, "Wow, these are really like generic." Like these are very obvious ones like the, you know, when he puts the lamp up and then when he pulls it down she's behind the lamp like something like that where I'm like, "Oh man, that's like classic generic. We've done this a million times." Now, one of the things I had suggested in the previous video in that previous video is that there's such a subversion of expectations with scares now because things have been done to death >> that >> there's almost like at this point a subversion of subversions where people expect it not to be there now because people don't do it anymore. Yeah. and he's like doing it again or it's like all right now we've we've went away from this long enough now that if I do put someone in the mirror when they close it won't be expected because everyone expects it to be there but not be there and then if it is there it's like oh [ __ ] >> like you actually put it back they don't do that anymore I don't know but it just it only happened like literally three times >> sure >> but in my memory the first time I watched it it was like 10 times >> that paying attention this time and I was like I think there's only three of them this time.

[00:38:27]>> I I didn't have any problem with them.

[00:38:29]>> But then everything from that point once they get them in the honeymoon stuff I don't think I think all of those scares are great.

[00:38:36]>> Yeah. I I didn't have a problem with any of the more like classic ones I guess.

[00:38:40]Like I I like them. I think that they can be I think that um I am not like anti- jump scare. I'm definitely not. Um no me.

[00:38:48]>> I think that they can be done well and even if I've seen them before, they can still get me. So, I'm like totally fine with them being there. And I think that the ones that you're talking about like they worked fine for me. I didn't have any issue with them. I think it was a nice like kind of ramp up and like sort of um I think it it sort of starts to like set the like uh not the pace but kind of like what to expect as far as the jump scares go like that there will be things like that. And I think that even in you know in Oddity there's some great ones too, right? Like Yes.

[00:39:16]>> So I I have no problem with it.

[00:39:18]>> Looking up.

[00:39:19]>> Oh yeah, >> that was amazing.

[00:39:21]>> It's good stuff.

[00:39:22]>> Yeah. So yeah, I I think that they were all done very well. Um, and >> this is the second time I saw it. And you know, both times I went to see it, as always, no one reacted to anything.

[00:39:35]>> I reacted.

[00:39:36]>> There was no strange, no jumps.

[00:39:39]>> I definitely jumped, but I try and stay quiet because I don't want to like >> Sure.

[00:39:43]>> Like I don't know.

[00:39:44]>> The girl next to me jumped one time and it was at the lamp scare, the very first one. Oh, that's funny.

[00:39:52]>> And then I guess she became >> locked in.

[00:39:55]>> Yeah. To like it. She was just like, "All right." Like she acclimated herself and then was just like unfazed for the rest of the film.

[00:40:05]>> Yeah.

[00:40:05]>> Just audiences just don't react like they used to. Right.

[00:40:10]>> Like when I went to Paranormal Activity, people were [ __ ] losing their minds.

[00:40:15]>> Like there was legitimate screaming, like ear piercing.

[00:40:20]I walked out of that theater. I am glad now. Nobody does it.

[00:40:24]>> I don't want to hear ear piercing screams, but like I don't mind when people like have a verbal reaction to something scary.

[00:40:31]>> There's a lot of teenagers that love to >> teenagers do it. They don't anymore.

[00:40:35]Sometimes teenagers do it like a little over. Yes, I get it. Shut the [ __ ] up.

[00:40:39]>> But they It's just a It's gone from movies. I don't see it.

[00:40:42]>> Yeah. I don't know. I think it's uh >> or hear it.

[00:40:46]>> Yeah.

[00:40:47]I don't know. It is interesting especially because like this film in particular like we were going to go see it >> um earlier but we've been kind of busy the last few days and every showtime has been pretty much packed. Oh yeah. This is definitely a very popular film right now which I'm glad for because I think um these are the kinds of horror movies that I want people to go see. Um especially like I think this is a good one for like general audiences as well like you know what I mean?

[00:41:14]>> Yeah. Like, and I don't mean that in a bad way towards the film. I just mean that this is like a pretty like palatable film for most people, but it's well done. It's a well done horror.

[00:41:24]>> Yeah. It's not gory. It's not like exp, you know, it doesn't have a lot of like exploitation type stuff >> and and this is the kind of stuff that a lot of people like general audiences want. Like they do want the jump scares.

[00:41:35]They want to feel like they're on a roller coaster. Like they want to have the like like that feeling. And not all horror films give you that feeling necessarily. Uh, so yeah, >> I'll I'll take the [ __ ] like teens screaming and having a good time over like chicken jockey everyone throws their popcorn as a [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Sure.

[00:41:56]>> Type [ __ ] that these kids are doing now where there's like almost like challenges.

[00:42:00]>> Yeah, that's dumb for >> Oh my god, I don't want to punch those people.

[00:42:02]>> The um other thing too, just because I don't want us to not talk about it, but the like the rabbit in this >> Yeah. So I didn't even realize the first time. Oh yeah, that too.

[00:42:13]>> Which >> is kind of funny because obviously the rabbit with the drums.

[00:42:16]>> Yeah.

[00:42:17]>> Uh is in Damen McCarthy's films and every film from Caveat to Oddity to everything. And I watched I was I was looking for that rabbit specifically.

[00:42:27]So I it didn't like dawn on me for whatever reason. But the second time as soon as Fiona came on screen in the Halloween segment or in the Halloween like night where she was at the hotel talking to um Mal.

[00:42:42]>> Yeah.

[00:42:43]>> She was like >> she's dressed up now.

[00:42:45]>> She's dressed up as the [ __ ] as the rabbit from Yeah. from uh Caveat. So >> that was really cool.

[00:42:50]>> Totally totally slipped my >> But I was also meaning like the children's show that he was watching.

[00:42:57]Oh, hell yeah. that thing cuz that was in the promotional like that's what you see.

[00:43:01]>> That's what they got.

[00:43:02]>> And uh I don't know what like that was so freaky looking to me. I from what I can tell it's like prosthetic eye pieces like mask but then like the mouth is like somebody's mouth moving >> but it is such a like uncanny effect.

[00:43:16]>> Yeah.

[00:43:17]>> I was very freaked out by that thing.

[00:43:19]>> That thing alone was scary. I think what's great about that, of course, is that this is some like old television show that he watched as a kid.

[00:43:33]>> Yeah.

[00:43:34]>> That he was watching when he accidentally shot his mother.

[00:43:38]>> Yeah.

[00:43:39]>> And now, you know, the witch or whoever, whatever evil entity controls that, I'm assuming the witch, right? Like I I don't think there's any other evil in the hotel other than her.

[00:43:52]>> Yeah, I think it's just her.

[00:43:54]>> But regardless, like this thing's preying on him and like his guilt and it's showing him it's distorting the memory of like his childhood hero, right? This Mr. Rogers type kind of like kids character that he watched, which is terrifying. And I don't know if if that's what the guy looked like or if that's like a distorted portion of it because even when we see his flashback of him shooting his mom, >> that's very stylistic, right? Like it doesn't look like it looks like a fantasy, right? Like there's the room basically is blank and and it's just him and a TV and then his mom kind of stumbles in and falls and gives him a hug. It doesn't feel real at all. It feels like his warp interpretation, his memory of that horrible incident, right? And so we do see that guy on the television for like a fraction of a second alluding to him uh coming in the future, which he does. He's at like the foot of his bed at one shot and then he's on the television. And I just think like that thing has been warped.

[00:45:10]>> Yeah.

[00:45:11]>> Right. and and obviously he didn't write in a letter to him. I none of that stuff is is real. It's just like they're taking something from his childhood that was positive, that was something that was um innocent and innocuous and and making it more sinister.

[00:45:28]>> Yeah.

[00:45:28]>> Um and I think that's great. I mean, I love I we love like the kids shows Turn Horror Movie, Channel Zero, um Candle Cove season 1, right? And and Mr. Crockett and whatnot. Like that stuff is is always not always, but it can be extremely effective, right?

[00:45:50]>> Yes.

[00:45:50]>> Uh Channel Zero being the best example of it, but there's there's other ones as well that have done it very well. Yeah.

[00:45:56]And this is another one of those like the Mr. bunny show. Whatever the hell did they even say?

[00:46:00]>> I don't remember, but yeah, it was freaky.

[00:46:06]>> Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I guess I didn't piece together. He loves rabbits.

[00:46:10]>> Yeah, >> Damen McCarthy. He's got a thing for rabbits being scary.

[00:46:15]>> He's like um >> I like them a lot.

[00:46:17]>> He's like uh Anya.

[00:46:20]>> Oh, yeah. And [ __ ] Buffy and Buffy.

[00:46:23]She's afraid of rabbits. He's terrified of rabbits. He >> He should date her.

[00:46:28]which is funny because she's only like that because of trauma for when before she was a demon. If you know, you know.

[00:46:35]>> Yeah.

[00:46:35]>> Um >> that's true. So, did Damen McCarthy have something happened to him with a bunny?

[00:46:40]Did a bunny bite him when he was a kid or something?

[00:46:42]>> So, what's cool? I I've been definitely thinking about bunnies a lot lately, but there's bunnies which are like, you know, like obviously rabbits and bunnies in general are prey animals, right? Um, but they like there's bunnies which are very cute and then there's like rabbits which can be like kind of freaky looking. Like if you've ever seen like a full-on like I don't know what the I don't know if it's if it's jack rabbit or something else but they're like or no a hair. That's what I'm thinking of.

[00:47:08]>> Hairs are like big and like just very like freaky looking.

[00:47:15]>> Um, I'll show you a picture so you can see or you can look it up, but like they're totally different than like what I think a lot of people think of with bunnies. So, I think that it's kind of fun to play with this like the imagery of rabbits and bunnies.

[00:47:28]>> Whoa.

[00:47:29]>> Yeah, I'm adding an old video. I'm gonna copyright myself.

[00:47:33]>> Literally like the prey animal thing. I think a lot of people probably associate rabbits and bunnies with kind of innocence and springtime and everything. Um, yeah.

[00:47:44]Like look at that. Compared to like a bunny, they're big.

[00:47:48]>> This guy, >> they're freaky. You guys can't see it on.

[00:47:54]Um, that definitely looks like the caveat.

[00:47:56]>> Yeah.

[00:47:57]>> Yeah.

[00:47:58]>> Where are they from? Cuz he's Irish.

[00:48:02]>> Maybe the hairs are from like Ireland and like the UK perhaps. I don't know if there's a certain area. I would assume a lot of places, but I could be wrong. The Irish hair is a unique subspecies of mountain hair endmic to Ireland, inhabiting the island since before the last ice age. Renowned for its speed of up to 50 kilometers per hour in a reddish brown coat with black tipped ears.

[00:48:33]>> So that's what it is.

[00:48:35]>> Sounds like >> really because Yeah. I >> he like it means [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah, if they're running 50 miles per hour maybe or 50 km per hour. He's like out in the Yeah.

[00:48:46]>> No, they're running away from you.

[00:48:48]>> Yeah, they're running towards him.

[00:48:50]>> Maybe he just saw one running and he like had nightmares like it was running at him.

[00:48:54]>> Maybe >> he read Benicula >> and then thought about that thing that was like what was that thing I ever saw. Um yeah, so >> that's cool. I didn't know they were native to Ireland. Makes a lot of sense.

[00:49:08]>> No, I Well, this one.

[00:49:10]>> Oh, this one.

[00:49:11]>> This is the Irish hair. There's other hairs.

[00:49:13]>> Okay. Okay. The Irish hair.

[00:49:15]>> Listen to the hairdresser. I'm the hair expert.

[00:49:18]>> Okay. I know everything about hair. I went to I went to hair school.

[00:49:22]>> Ah, >> they taught us about this kind of hair.

[00:49:25]And >> no, >> the other kind of hair.

[00:49:27]>> We did not learn anything about >> that should be part of it.

[00:49:30]>> Lepus timidus.

[00:49:33]Hibernus.

[00:49:36]Hibernexis. What the [ __ ] What is this?

[00:49:38]>> Hibernus.

[00:49:39]>> Hibernicus. That's way better pronunciation than I don't know what the [ __ ] am I saying. That's how you say.

[00:49:45]>> No, that's 100% better.

[00:49:47]>> Even if that's not what it is, it's closer. Guaranteed. Mine was horrendous.

[00:49:52]Um, yeah. Anyway, um, let's see what else did we talk about. Uh, we got Jerry. Uh there's some really good stuff in here with like, you know, the tension of him finding the bell and ringing it and um even when Fiona's like pointing up.

[00:50:09]>> Oh yeah, that's a good scene.

[00:50:10]>> There's good humor, too. Like there's definitely >> humorous moments.

[00:50:16]>> Um >> he's kind of a little bit of the comedic relief at times. Yeah.

[00:50:19]>> Yeah. And there's definitely like a mystery here like of all the people it could be.

[00:50:23]>> Uh and that stuff's quite good. It's it's a very small cast.

[00:50:26]>> Yeah. um very very focused and uh there's there's not a there's not a lot of uh interaction with a mult multitude of characters or anything. Um yeah, this is very much and and yeah, I'll tell you like Adam Scott's uh performance in this is is excellent. Um I think his breakdown of it was just an accident uh is excellent.

[00:50:51]>> Oh yeah. really really felt that and I think that's important for him to land that scene and I think he very much did.

[00:50:56]>> Yeah, I really like Adam Scott as an actor. I think um I think I've pretty much enjoyed him in everything I've seen him in. I think >> he got surgery on his face for sure, right? Cuz like in season one of Severance he had that like >> maybe had >> like this thing >> Botox [ __ ] things hanging down and now it's like totally >> as much I think in here cuz he has like a beard which I quite like him with a beard. I think he looks really good with like the facial hair. Um, >> I mean, I don't care if if I was ever going to get any surgery of any sort for my aesthetic, it's this thing. I don't have it now, but I hate it. It's the only thing. Everything else I'm fine with, but this when people get that like like Trump with the [ __ ] turkey vagina thing.

[00:51:39]>> A [ __ ] gross and it's so unsightly. I hate it. And that's the only thing like anything else I can handle. But that [ __ ] is disgusting to me. Like I hate it. So this people use those like things where they like slap underneath it. I don't think that does anything, but I've seen people use those things and they slap themselves under here. Is that supposed to do? Tighten the skin or something.

[00:52:06]>> I have a really round face, so I feel like I would get that type of a thing.

[00:52:10]>> Oh, we're done.

[00:52:11]>> So >> bye. The wedding ring comes off. Uh yeah, he he does look a bit different, but >> I'll just have two vaginas now. Oh, that's just because of the turkey thing. Stop.

[00:52:27]>> Stop while you're ahead. You're digging the hole deeper.

[00:52:30]>> Why I uh cats out of the bag now? You can't.

[00:52:35]>> Now people don't know that [ __ ] you're they them.

[00:52:39]>> Oh, dang it.

[00:52:40]>> Dang it. Oh, I was going to shave my head again, guys, but I didn't. I held back. Instead, we just went pink.

[00:52:47]>> This is more inside. I don't think people know what the hell we're talking about.

[00:52:50]>> When I had a shaved head on this channel, we got a lot of comments about people >> there were >> that were mad about it.

[00:52:57]>> They them. They're >> like, I'm not going to listen to the they them or like >> unsubscribing to the channel. I'm tired of listening to the [ __ ] uh bald lesbian or something like she's literally my wife. any Yeah, my pronouns are she, her, but I have no nothing against any non-binary people. I mean, >> no, of course.

[00:53:19]>> Anyway, but I'm not non-binary personally. Um, anyway, >> yeah, >> I don't know what else to say about the movie.

[00:53:27]>> Um, I really liked it. I just I had a great time with it. I like the ending and yeah.

[00:53:34]>> Yeah. When he falls in that bathtub, >> I don't know what's in there. I wish we would have gotten to see like maybe more of like what was in there. Like why wouldn't that [ __ ] thing be drained?

[00:53:44]>> I don't know.

[00:53:44]>> That thing's got a wre >> It's like green and black.

[00:53:48]>> I also really like the um like I think there's a lot of really cool things in this movie and you know like I think there's a lot of like fun little gags and whatnot. Also the the alarm clock that he figures out how to use to like bring him up and down. Think that was a good plot device. Uh because it does beg the question of like why couldn't she bring herself up and then like he has to come up with this thing which that doll with it there's like some funny moments with that doll is like looking sideways like it's being sinister but it's like >> yeah obviously that that's that's just kind of the humor of the movie. I also thought that in the end that the that the like goat or whatever the [ __ ] it was was going to like re like kill Mal or somebody by jumping up on the hood and like when he tries to drive away and make him crash or something. I like I thought that was going to play into the movie, but it really only plays in as like a joke >> where like the next time we see the car, another goat's up on top of it.

[00:54:47]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:48]>> Right.

[00:54:49]>> Um Yeah. I guess it's supposed to just be there to like show that um Fergle would just, you know, kill something for like some kind of lame reason of like he was on my car so I shot him in the face, right? So that makes him >> suspicious, >> right? Yeah, it does make him suspicious.

[00:55:11]>> But he ends up being the person who saves his life.

[00:55:14]>> I think if I was in this situation um and I had like the chalk drawn around the bed, I would not leave that bed. I would just be like >> and starve to death.

[00:55:23]>> Yeah.

[00:55:24]>> Yeah.

[00:55:24]>> I would be too scared though. Especially having like when he sees her like through the like >> Bro, no. Just know.

[00:55:35]>> Just know.

[00:55:36]>> Just know.

[00:55:38]>> So, okay. There's nothing else, huh?

[00:55:42]>> There probably is. I'm sure people will tell us in the comments what we meant.

[00:55:45]Um, I was I was just trying to I think I got mostly everything I wanted to say about like the symbolisms and whatnot of his mother and his father and his relationship and it's strained and um he does become like a bit of a better person in the end cuz like Alb's like, you know, he kind of makes a joke with him of like, haven't I been through enough? But then Alb's like I'll do a quick polish and he's like all right, like I'll I'll take a look at it. Yeah.

[00:56:12]>> Um which Yeah. I mean, Albby also is is another person that helped him, right?

[00:56:17]Like if he hadn't taken the psilocybin, maybe he wouldn't have been able to hear uh Fiona or his mother or, you know, um the witch. I I don't know. I don't know if we ever It doesn't seem like Mal is like he's just reacting to being pulled into a room. And maybe he can see I don't know. Can he see the the like the dead that are in hell or whatever the [ __ ] that is?

[00:56:48]>> The underworld.

[00:56:49]>> Yeah, >> they're not h in hell. They're just in the underworld.

[00:56:53]>> Yeah. Can they get out?

[00:56:55]>> No, they're dead.

[00:56:56]>> Okay. Okay. What would have been [ __ ] up is if we saw Fiona.

[00:57:02]>> Yeah, >> but they're all kind of like >> they might be like ones that are like trapped and like that. I don't know. I really don't know that much about like the Irish underworld.

[00:57:10]>> But we have to maybe it is like a hell, but I I thought >> she's down there, right? Like she's been captured.

[00:57:16]>> Yeah, >> you said that's her little >> But it does feel like she like leaves though cuz like when her eyes are closed that feels like peace, like she's gone.

[00:57:24]Like >> you know what?

[00:57:26]>> She's not hanging around anymore. is if there was like a little little baby in there.

[00:57:30]>> Oh, that would be messed up.

[00:57:31]>> Or a little baby.

[00:57:32]>> And it was like >> it's like this little guy. I don't know how they would do that.

[00:57:36]>> Literally this big.

[00:57:37]>> This big. Maybe there was one if you look real close.

[00:57:41]>> Like >> No, but the faces to my memory like there is no faces on the people.

[00:57:46]>> They just have eyes.

[00:57:48]>> It's like kind of shadow and they have like glowing eyes.

[00:57:51]>> Okay. Yeah.

[00:57:52]>> So I don't think >> but we have to assume Fiona's probably one of them. No, I think she's not. I think she >> sucks if it's true. You don't think so, though?

[00:58:00]>> No.

[00:58:01]>> Why not? Why is she so special? Because she's good-looking and innocent.

[00:58:05]>> I don't know. I >> Everyone down there is probably pulled from the [ __ ] >> Yeah, they're all >> honeymoon suite. They're all just like on their own.

[00:58:10]>> No, no, those are all people from like Well, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think they had people in the honeymoon suite while the witch was there.

[00:58:19]She was in the woods and she was like catching people in the woods.

[00:58:21]>> I'd be the witch of the woods.

[00:58:23]>> I'd be the mercy.

[00:58:24]>> Yeah. Clicketity clackety >> clicketity clackety.

[00:58:28]Yeah.

[00:58:29]>> All right. Yeah. I mean, his father and his mother were there. Maybe they got Maybe they brought a curse home with them and that's why he shot her.

[00:58:37]>> Maybe. Don't go to Ireland, guys. Just kidding. I want to go to Ireland really bad, actually.

[00:58:43]>> Because a hair will just >> Oh my god.

[00:58:45]>> run right through you.

[00:58:46]>> If I don't if I don't get chased by Irish hairs when I get off the plane in Ireland.

[00:58:52]>> You want a refund?

[00:58:53]>> Yeah. I want a refund.

[00:58:56]>> Yeah.

[00:58:57]All right.

[00:58:58]>> All right.

[00:58:59]>> Well, that's what we got to say about it. That was probably longer than we meant it to be, but you know, we're we're rusty. Kayla's been gone a while.

[00:59:07]>> Yeah, I have been.

[00:59:08]>> And we just wanted to chat. Thanks for hanging out with us. Thanks for Rogues is of course always hanging out. I'll cover up your privates. Don't worry.

[00:59:19]>> He's got to have some some dignity.

[00:59:21]>> Some dignity left.

[00:59:23]some dogy.

[00:59:24]>> You got dogy, buddy.

[00:59:26]>> All right, everybody's Oh, >> I think it's out of frame, though. So, I think we're good. Bye, everybody.