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Stop that. Just stop it. Just just press stop first and foremost. Yeah. If there's one thing that I absolutely hate. Yeah.
I'm putting it on the record now cuz a lot of DJs do this.
>> Go on.
>> They're mixing from the screen.
Do not mix from the screen. Mix from your ear. How does it sound? Forget about the waves and what the waves are telling you and the numbers and that.
Yeah, I'm an old head. I'm gonna sound like a old head. Back in my day, we used to mix with the headphones on via sound and not looking at screens. Yeah. Okay.
So, if you're going to learn how to mix, you as well, EA. Yeah. If I'm going to teach you how to mix or someone's going to learn how to mix in here, don't learn I'm taking the screen away. You're going to learn how to mix through hearing it in your ear and how it sounds. That's what's going to happen. Yeah.
>> Easily done.
>> I'll be Do you know what I'll be looking at? Oh, yeah. Do you know what? Let's let me just get into this before you run the next rhythm. Yeah. Uh yeah, why not?
Um sometimes Yeah. Like DJs are posting clips of themselves doing like mashups and mixes or whatever. Yeah. and they're staring at the screen and it's like it doesn't feel like when I'm watching it, it don't feel like a vibe cuz they just they're just there like this.
>> It's like they're studying.
>> Yeah.
>> I need to I like to see the DJ, you get what I'm saying? Move and Yeah. Of course, you're going to look at the screen here and there for whatever it is. Yeah. But like I want to see a vibe.
I want to see some movement.
>> You get what I'm saying? Also, you got the benefit of the doubt to do it because you don't even have you don't even you're not even hosting.
>> You're just mixing. So, you only have one thing to really think about.
>> Is it me? Not to say that I'm you know what I'm saying? But I can host and I can play. You know what I'm saying? So, there's a lot that I've got to think about in that time, but I still got to entertain and whatnot. When you're just mixing, >> yeah, >> there's not really an excuse to be your face is just right in the laptop like that. Click that up and post that.
Okay. Anyway, play me the next rhythm.
>> All right. Stop. Play. Play me one more.
>> I wasn't ready for the next one. That was it.
>> Press stop. Stop.
>> Yeah. Play me another one. Do you want me to play you one?
>> Yes, please.
>> All right. I tell you what.
>> What would have you been? Listen, you're obviously I'm a piano. I mean I'm kind of stand but I just feel like it's been polluted lately.
>> No. So I'm Afro house. Yeah.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And I have been for like eight nine years. I play it separate. Like that's a thing that I do in my house. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> For me.
>> Sorry.
>> Um I've done a mix recently and I've been and I did talk about in my socials and I gave the link out to some people or whatnot. Yeah.
>> It's my there's a certain style of it that I really enjoy. The best way to put my style Yeah. is see okay everyone loves black coffee he was here recently did the oto arena it looked it looked it looked incredible >> so >> even >> there's like a style in which yeah there's a style in which um black coffee plays today but there's also a style in which black coffee used to play back in the day I'm more the back in the day sty yeah yeah >> then >> um >> cuz I love black >> let me see so all my tunes are in my laptop I don't listen to um on the on the DSPs, but I do have a playlist.
Yeah. Let me see.
>> By the way, I've been >> there is one tune actually that got >> I'm converted to Apple Music now. I cancelled my Spotify.
>> Is it? Why?
>> Good boy.
>> Apple just feels better, man.
>> It does, doesn't it?
>> Is it? Yeah.
>> It just feels I used to be on Apple first and then people kept saying to me, "Oh, no, but Spotify has the better."
>> You have an ear for it. You don't need to like hunt for the music. You know what you're looking for?
>> No. So, at that point in time, I didn't know what I was looking for. and they were saying that their playlists were better or they're like based upon the music that you like their suggestions was better. Now being on Spotify for a long period of time, I can't necessarily say that's true. Yeah. Because what I have noticed is even when it starts to if I'm listening to one particular artist and then it starts recommending me songs >> ultimately every three songs it re it just gives me the same artist, >> right? Do you get what I'm saying?
>> I noticed that. I noticed that with Spotify. I will say though, Apple Music was bad when it came to recommendations.
>> As of late, I'd say in the last year and a bit, my recommended playlist that comes up like every week.
>> Yeah.
>> 10 out of 10.
>> Oh, is it?
>> I can't complain. This week, today cycling here, >> I listened to that playlist and that's when I played that that new Ash song.
>> I was like, "Oh, he's got a new rhythm."
>> Oh, so good.
>> I ain't heard it. We could play it in a bit. Where? How? How can I play this?
>> So, you have your own.
>> It's over here.
>> Yeah.
All right. So, this Yeah, I just came across this song quite recently, by the way. This is a um I would say this is a light representation. It's not a full one >> something, >> but it's a light one. Yeah. Are you ready for this?
>> I've been ready.
>> Yep. Yep.
>> Listen, you see when I'm in my yard, >> you know, you just getting a VIBE AND YOU GOT YEAH.
THAT'S ME.
>> OH, >> I got so many of them, >> but I just don't have them like as singular tunes on my on Spotify. I've got them on my laptop cuz I bought them.
>> Why haven't you posted like a mix of >> Do you know why? I'll tell you why I haven't.
>> You got to pay to see them, man.
>> For free.
>> So, I what I did do, so I've done a bunch of mixes. Yeah. But they've just been for me. I've been playing them in my car, whatever. Yeah. And then when I was ready, I started playing them to people who I know genuinely listen to those type of mixes. So like people that listen to them all the time and they know all the different DJs and stuff.
No, stop.
>> Well, they know all the different DJs and whatever. Say that to me.
>> I'm not I'm not I'm not selling you. And I'm not maning you either.
>> Yes, you are. No, but everyone's a son to you. Really?
>> No, but I mean in this world in this world. In this world.
>> Okay, fine. Still don't do that. But cool.
>> Yeah, but in this world here now. Here now. Here now. Yeah.
>> Listen. Yeah.
>> So, >> because I wanted them to hear it and then know >> like there might be certain things that I'm doing wrong or like timing might be off or whatever. Like my barber for example, he's really in it. So, you know, like he was giving me some good feedback and that. Then I done the next mix and I said, you know what? I am going to just tell people on my socials, this is what I've done if you want it.
No, I didn't even say it was me. I said, "Oh, something about there being this like sick afro house link or whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, if you want the link, let me know." And then people was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." So then I was sending it under Alexis Loian. Yeah.
So they didn't know. And then a couple people were saying, "Ain't Loian your surname?" So I was like, "Yeah." And then I would just tell them.
>> Yeah.
>> The third thing is is that I don't want to confuse Chucky. I don't want to get Chucky confused with Alexis Lovium.
>> I mean, Chucky is a brand.
>> Do you get what I'm saying? So when I do start doing that, okay, at first I might start doing it on my pages, but then I'm going to move it to Alexis Loian and it will just be in that world. You know what I'm saying? I got a booking offer as well to play. Yeah. But the reason why I didn't accept the booking is because the booking was still in my like it's still in my world. Like not my world, but I could still go in there and people, oh Chucks, what's going on? Like what you do? Like I don't want that.
When I do that booking, it's going to be >> sub. Yes. Somewhere else over there.
Warm up styly. You get what I'm saying?
That's me.
>> Your thoughts.
>> Big up you.
>> Big up you AND I NEED TO HEAR it today.
I need that.
>> I want >> And how did I miss that?
>> But I listen to these mixes. I'm not going to say I'm a I'm a I just sent I just sent her some of these um a friend of mine called Adrian EQ. He does the coldest like Afro House, Afro Soul. Like his mixes are Great.
>> Um, and I just I like listening to people that make mixes. I like I like listening to mixes.
>> Oh, yes.
>> Well, that used to be a thing back in the day as well, by the way, that people used to just listen to mixes until Spotify and all of that came along.
>> But even then, >> people still do. I mean, obviously, do you still listen to SoundCloud? You go on SoundCloud >> occasionally.
>> I literally That's what I'm listening to him on. I literally just send it to just send the link.
>> So, I've actually got that mix on SoundCloud. But the reason why I haven't actually heavily spoke about it yet is because I realized that I had Alexis Loian on Soundcloud like 9 years ago and I couldn't remember the login.
>> So I'm having to use Alexis Loian one.
But I don't want that. I just want Alexis Loian. So I'm I need to just sit down one day and then go like figure out how to do it, how to like get into it.
And then if I can't do that, I'm just going to have to try to exercise a privilege and see if I know somebody over there that can do a login and switch.
>> Oh yeah. If there's somebody in Soundcloud here that can help me in your face >> that can help me, I would appreciate it.
By the way, just for anyone that's just logged in now, um Poet is on businessman mode, so unfortunately he's not here.
And Dan is in Jamaica. Big him up. Um so they'll be back soon. Anyways, was there a song you was going to play before? I haven't said all of that.
>> Nah.
>> Okay. Are we done with that now for a minute? Oh, it was a shake song. That was it.
>> Oh, yeah. Do >> you want to do it now?
>> Yeah, why not? While we're in the moment.
>> Was it gratitude?
>> Gratitude. Yeah.
>> Well, yeah. Go on then.
>> Is it look to be grateful for? We're >> Listen, I'm going to eat a banana. Yeah.
Don't look at me.
>> You need to break it.
>> Why do I have to break the banana?
>> Do anything, Chucky.
>> Why do I have to break the banana?
>> Can I tell you why? Can I tell?
>> Who made up this rule?
>> No. No. No. There's no >> Who made up this rule?
>> Homophobes. No, no, no, no. If you eat that banana, I'm clipping it up.
>> So, here's what I'm saying. Okay. Okay.
Okay. Let's do this, though. Yeah. Let's just say hypothetically speaking. Yeah.
>> I was with the coldest one woman. The coldest one. Yeah. It's documented, right? It's documented. You're telling me that if I eat this that it takes IT AWAY? WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
WAIT, WAIT. DO IT NOW.
>> Shut up. How about that? ARE YOU IDIOT?
You idiot.
>> You are a [ __ ] >> So yeah. So, so what?
>> Oh [ __ ] >> So, so what?
>> You do what you got to do, broki.
>> I have banana every day. I don't understand. Yeah, >> I have a joke.
>> Here's my thing as well.
>> Somebody said to me time ago that they don't do politics and I was like, listen, every day in your life, you inherently do something that involves politics. You can't avoid politics. It is your whole life.
>> I don't understand how a banana eating a banana now has become political.
>> It's not. It is.
>> It is. It's politics now. Cuz now you're going to click me.
>> Yeah. And now it's going to come it's going to give off a connotation that I'm on some kind of wave.
>> No.
>> Yes.
>> That's what people might read into it.
>> Do you understand what I'm saying?
>> But at the same time, it's >> it's all about intention. What do you intend to happen?
>> Traction.
>> BUT I JUST WANT TO eat the banana like this.
>> I would, but I'm a girl. SO >> I ALSO AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. But here's what I'm saying. When I see a woman eating a banana, I don't think in my head, oh, she's necking off. That's not what that doesn't go through my head.
>> Some men are though.
>> And >> so then that's the problem with life.
>> Yeah.
>> So everything someone's doing, you're thinking that's that's problematic.
>> 100%. I'm with you. I'm just letting you know.
>> I'm clipping it >> now. I don't know what to do.
>> I don't know what to do. Well, I play the song. I won't clip it. You know, play the song. Yeah. Just play the song.
The reason why I'm telling you to play the song is cuz you can't put it on YouTube now. Because if I eat it the way that I'm eating it, it's not going on YouTube.
>> Instagram doesn't have the same copyright rules.
>> Don't do that every time, please. Yeah.
>> Um, he's perfect at making music. Yeah, >> he does it in like >> sweet >> the best way. I feel like Isake is like he's completed it.
>> Mhm.
>> He fully understands his style and he executes it well every single time.
>> Every single time. And even what I've noticed with him here like sometimes the naturally this is with everyone mo most artists of course the BPM the tempos changes sometimes. Some some are a bit faster, some are a bit slower, but either way, he is always top top top tier when it comes to just doing what he does. He's like the epitome of um somebody who just keeps their head down and does their own thing.
>> Do you get what I'm saying? Like of course there were a lot of artists within that world that make a certain sound or whatnot, but for me I could listen to I could there would be a certain production that I could hear and I'd be like, "Yeah, this is this is him." And it's like he's never jumps on a rhythm and is mid. It always just sounds so good and it always makes you feel good, too. And I don't even always know what he's he's saying, but like I think that that's the good thing about music as well.
It doesn't always have to be about what somebody is saying. It's just about what how it makes you feel. If you understand what he's saying, that's the bonus because I know that he has a lot of substance in his lyrics and whatnot. I went and saw him in New York. We talked about this before. I went um honorable shout out to Red Bull. They um took me to New York to see Ashake at the Brooklyn Theater. It was in Brooklyn Theater and it was like a suare vibe.
Everyone had to dress up in suits and stuff like that. Yeah. It was a whole orchestra thing and it was absolutely sinc. It was one of the it was one of the best show it was one of the best shows that I'd seen that year and it was like it will be in my argument of like some of my favorite shows I've ever seen. Do you know what I mean?
>> There was just so much good elements about it. And you know what I like I like too is that you know that he's rehearsing because everything is so effortless, >> right?
>> But it's it's technical. When something is technical but it's effortless, they've rehearsed it. You can't just go out there and just wing it. You can't be a pain in the ass and then just turn up on a day and just and think you're going to get away with it because you're going to get a few people in there that understand live shows and they're going to be like, "Oh, it was all right." but you know he he didn't know his bars or he was off there like they were dancing in that bit and you know his his timing was off even when it was time for him to dance a little bit. He's not a big dancer but it was just so smooth.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you know what I'm saying? Like when he's he's in the suit and he's just doing a little tribal you get what I'm saying with some of the other dancers.
It was so good. It was so good. Like whoever is a part of that team as well you know it was a moment that they must have been super proud of. You know what I'm saying?
Um, what else? Is there anything else on him?
>> On what?
>> Did anyone that had anything?
>> Dax.
>> Yeah, >> he's just cold.
>> I think he's just done what everyone was kind of working towards. I mean, I'm not trying to talk negatively on any other artist, but also apologies for my voice.
Um, Bernab Boy was probably the first person to start um, working with South African artists from West Africa and made it big. Um, cuz I listen to a lot of AMA piano music and I find that there wasn't there's a lot of what's it called again where they just don't get along essentially like West Africa and South Africa they don't get along. Um, and there's still kind of issues right now there about that kind of stuff. But when I heard that I was like okay that's it.
It's people are going to start working together. I think what Ash has done is seen what they did >> and did it 10 times harder.
>> Yeah.
>> And executed it so well. That show you were talking about I watched on YouTube.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> It was it was insane. And I think it was like >> it was an insight as to what it was going to like the music or that type of music or West African music or Afro beats music was going to look like for the next couple of years.
>> And we're in it right now.
>> Everyone's trying to just execute it the same way that he does. And I think they do it very well. Other artists, you got like Charlie Poppy, you've got Asha, um, Burner Boy, David, all them people, they are executing it really well. But I think the person who like with the live orchestra like that, it's the finesse.
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> He has a particular finesse that's unique to him. I think he's such an individual. He was always, he seemed like a little bit of an outsider, you know, bit quirky.
>> Like he went and shaved all his hair off shaved off, then became like this emo type. I'm like, "Oh, cool." like but you're wearing a suit but you're doing the tribal dance but you're >> doing Afro like Afro house and then it's like a piano >> you can never really keep your finger on him but what it's it's strange you can't put your finger on him but you know it's just going to execute very very well every single time that's the guarantee what it's going to look like I don't know but I know it's going to be good >> so >> yeah he might not want you to have your finger on him but still >> but yeah anyway he's the guy for me he's the number one for Yeah, I agree >> in that. He's the number one for me. Um, I just come up for >> Marba come up from there. Marba was a vibe, >> was it?
>> Was good. So, I had R&B and slow jams.
Me, the team. Um, it was on the the Saturday the 23rd, but I went there on the 19th and I felt like what I wanted to do because we had two pre-parties before the main event, I wanted to just be out there a couple of days before, one to just relax and climatize a bit, chill, um, and not get there and start rushing about all over the place. Um, so we did that. Me and Taser got there on the Tuesday. We ate food, sat in the sun, went about, went and checked what some other people were doing and stuff. We had the two pre-parties. They were cool.
I think we announced the the pre-parties super last minute, so the turnouts weren't the greatest. Um, but that was just because it was super last minute.
We knew how much people were going to the main event, so we was trying to like facilitate those people. But I think in hindsight as well have to remember that there's like it's like it's not like Malta where we know that there's loads of people coming >> so we might as well do things prior where there's nothing going on in the country in flipping Marba there's loads of things going on every day I mean there's like loads of events um loads of restaurants there's loads of things happening so even though a lot of people are planning to come to R&B and Slow Jams on a Saturday they know on Thursday they're going to go to this beach club Friday going to go to that beach club.
Some go to two in a day.
>> Um >> they're going to restaurants. They're doing all kinds of stuff. So >> that was what was going on. Ate in some really cool places. Breathe was one of my favorite places to eat. I enjoyed eating there. Um it's a lot of money over that side. If you go and spend money if you go to Marba, you're going to spend money. It's like that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's one of them.
Like >> it's >> Do they know what kind of clientele are coming towards? Is that is that why it's priced like that?
>> Yeah, I think Marba is I think they're all quite similar when you look at like Marba, Mkos, Iba, um those those places where there are like there's a season of partying and a season of like eating and doing the aesthetic thing. Yeah. It just it's capitalism in it. They know loads of people are coming. Yeah. And it just the prices just must raise up like crazy. I know like there's like some beach clubs if you're just rocking up there on the day and it and you can get in there, it's going to cost you like €200 to get in.
>> €200 to get into a day party. Like it's not just to get in.
>> Just to get in. Just to get in.
>> Just to get in. Yeah. It's nuts.
>> It's nuts. And then again, >> as a man, more time you're pushed to go and get tables and all of that. So that comes at a big expense.
>> Yeah. you know, um you got to spend x amount of money on tables, you get a few drinks, you might get like some little nibbles and whatnot, and then they're kind of just hoping that you get drunk and you just start doing even more and spending more. And that a lot of people do that cuz there are a decent amount of people over there with bread. You know what I'm saying?
>> There's so decent amount of people over there with bread spending money over there. Um, but R&B and slow jams on the Saturday >> at the arena was just ah, it's just it's just such a sick experience, bro. Like >> go going to my bear in December. Yeah.
Checking out the venue, having an idea of the things that you want to do. Yeah.
And then seeing it actually coming to life is an experience in itself. And then another really good experience here is when you go to the venue to soundcheck early in the day cuz everyone is there basically putting this event together like for the event. So you're going there and you're seeing people putting up stuff.
Um everything's just getting put in a certain I don't know everyone's just doing whatever it is that they're doing.
Yeah. And then I went and did a sound check and whatnot. And then it's just like going to the arena later on. We get a car, you drive around the back, you go inside. Obviously, there's security and that there and whatnot. I don't know.
This is all what you're looking at there is >> Manchester.
>> Most of the stuff is not up yet cuz it's still fresh.
>> We're just looking at the Instagram by the way for people who were thinking about it. But anyway, the actual party was just really good. You know what I mean? DJs played really, really well.
Um, the vibe was sick.
It was just, bro, it was just good, man.
Everyone looked good.
>> They looked >> everyone looked good. Everyone looked like they was just having a good time looking out on the stage and seeing x amount of people. And another thing as well is that naturally there's going to be some people coming from beach clubs and parties and whatnot. So, they're a little bit lethargic cuz they've drank already, >> they've been out, they've done all of that, and then they turn up and it's like, okay, they want a party, but they're just a little bit tired, isn't it? So, I sense that. I know when it's like that. So, then it's my job to say things and get everyone excited in a certain way to lift up the vibe and energy. So, um, so yeah.
>> What was that?
>> Big blessing.
>> What was the acoustics like in that in that >> sensation? I was going to say >> cuz it it's a it's a it's like a dome.
>> Yeah, it's like a dome. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> And also, just for added context on this as well. Yeah. It's like that is the biggest thing event of its kind that's happening there.
>> Wow.
>> There isn't another R&B event that is doing that there. When you look at the people that are doing shows at that arena after us, it's Kaiser Chiefs. It's um what?
>> Yeah, it's um Craig David. There's two house DJs uh Luke Dean and Max Dean I think their names are. They're like really big as well. But like house DJs, do you get what I'm saying?
>> Um, who else is there?
>> Yeah. It's just that kind of vibe, >> right?
>> Do you know what I'm saying?
>> So, yes. It's crazy.
>> That's crazy, man.
>> It's crazy.
>> You basically performed in a coliseum.
>> Yes, >> it is a coliseum. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Are you looking at you looking it up?
>> Oh, I thought you was >> No, I remember it.
>> Oh, okay.
>> From December when you guys posted Did you post that from >> there? It's wild that venue.
>> Yeah, it's mad. There it is. There.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's mental. We'll do it again.
We'll definitely do it again. We'll do it next year. That's one of the reasons why we didn't do Barcelona this year. By the way, there were some people that were asking why you do why are you not doing Barcelona this year? We didn't do Barcelona because we did Marba. Um so yeah, love and respect to everyone that came.
Uh then Manchester, just did Manchester.
It was the first birthday.
Well, we're doing three R&B and slow jams birthday parties. Yeah, we're celebrating our fourth birthday.
Manchester, Birmingham, London. Just did Manchester. By the time this comes out visually anyway, um London will be in full swing. Happened in all of that.
Yeah. And then Birmingham as well.
So we flew from Marba went straight to um to Manchester and did that one and that was like one of my favorite Manchester one >> definitely outdoors. Sick sick sick sick one. It's really good.
>> It looked great on FaceTime.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You fa So originally when you facetimed me. Yeah.
I was playing and I I tried to answer it cuz I noticed >> and then um and then you put it down.
Then when I finished I remembered. I was like oh yeah [ __ ] So I just FaceTime.
But you didn't even you where did you think I was when I first answered?
>> I thought you'd I I forgot about Manchester. I won't lie. Cuz it's a heavy week. I didn't know it was happening like both at the same time.
Like straight from Mbay and then go Manchester. That's crazy.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so I thought you were home and I was like oh checking for today >> and the next thing you do I'm seeing I don't know where you are. You could just be in here to be honest >> with the purple lights.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I hate that >> until you flip it and then a bag of people. I'm like, "Oh, >> it's like 2,000 people."
>> It's crazy.
>> It's crazy.
>> Yeah, it's crazy.
>> It was hot though. Oh my god.
>> Up there, >> huh?
>> It was roasting. It was roasting. And obviously people will come there. Yeah.
And they're like, you could sense that they were like, "Flipping hell, it's hot." And it's nuts because it's like sometimes you'll get people that will mention it to you like there's something that you're supposed to be able to do.
And it's like, I can't. There's nothing I can I can't I can't control the weather. But what's interesting even more so, we're doing London. Yeah. And we ain't doing the tent. And at first the thing was, oh, what if it rains? What if it rains? What are you going to do if it rains? What are you going to do if it rains? Loads of those coming through.
>> You see, since it's been roasting hot, Yeah.
>> people are messaging, "Oh, you're not going to be under a tent again, are we?
We're going to be It's that perspective.
>> Fickle.
>> Do you get what I'm saying?
>> We're very fickle.
>> Yeah, man.
>> Yeah. Weather's looking decent on Is it Saturday?
>> Um, yeah. It's on Saturday.
>> 27 >> and Sunday.
>> 27° in London.
>> Where's London, though?
>> H >> I said it is England and London. You anything could anything could happen.
>> You know what you need? You need one of those like you know those poles that have like you can run water through them and it mists out.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I want to get a water gun. I want to get some water.
>> That's too aggressive.
>> That's Yeah, >> that's like a bullet of water come to your face.
>> Yeah, you need you need it to go >> like a mister >> and then you can just be like >> Yeah, if you can get a mist thing.
>> I don't know if it's in the badge.
>> In the coming out your [ __ ] We're having We're having to stream the flipping game as well.
>> Oh god. Yeah, Champions League.
>> That's Is that the second time you've done that? No, it's not. It's not.
>> It's not. So yeah, we're streaming the thing, which leads me on to this part of this the top pod.
>> Hilarious.
>> THEY'VE WON THE LEAGUE.
>> NORTH London Forever. Why do you think my voice is gone?
>> They've won the league.
>> What an incredible week we have had.
>> I am here to rebuke something that Poet said on the pod. I'm sorry, Po. I'm having to do this. You're not here, so I'm doing it.
No. If you do not support Arsenal, do not go to the parade >> to bits.
Okay.
Um, if you don't support Arsenal, you can't go to the parade. You just can't go to the parade.
>> I agree.
>> You just can't go to the parade. I think it's absolutely outrageous. Yeah. If you do not support Arsenal and there is a parade, in fact, if you don't support Arsenal and you still went to the stadium on that day when they when it was sealed, I just think that's a proper idiot thing.
>> Like, why would you do that in my head?
Yeah. The reason why I don't think that anyone should Yeah. is because you see when you are in a high state of euphoria Yeah. and you were all on the same page because of the same thing.
>> In any given moment, yeah, where you just that euphoria makes you just want to grab somebody and just hug them, a stranger. It should be somebody sharing that same moment with you.
>> Agreed.
>> You shouldn't be in a parade in a state of euphoria. You go to grab somebody and they're a Spurs fan >> or they're a United fan or a Liverpool fan. That stinks. And their response is, "What are you doing?"
>> Yeah.
>> Killing the vibe.
>> Yeah. Exactly. I'll go one step further.
>> I don't even think that you should go to the parade because your partner supports the team.
>> Oh, >> no.
>> Long day.
>> Go to the parade if you support the team as well.
>> They're man marking though. I hear it.
>> Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. So, what I'm what I mean by that is it doesn't mean that you got to watch every game and you got to be all of that type of stuff, but you got to have like a a little invested interest on like, "Babe, did they win today?" Or, do you get what I'm saying?
Like, oh yeah, let's go and watch the game together. Or do you get what I'm saying? Sit down, watch TV, you're watching the game. Not you're sitting down, the game's on, but your partner's not don't give a [ __ ] about the thing.
Yeah, they shouldn't go because again in that state of euphoria, if you just fancy hugging somebody, now obviously naturally you shouldn't just be hugging somebody's partner, but in that state of euphoria, it could happen. And you want to just be able to grab somebody that is sharing that euphoria with you, >> right?
>> So if you are not a part of that, you can't go. That would be outrageous. Let me tell you something. Yeah. If you go, shame on you. I agree.
>> Shame on you. It's an absolute stinker.
>> If you go I'll go one step further on top of that.
>> Jesus Christ.
>> Fourth step.
>> It's pussyolism.
>> Oh >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm doing that.
It's pussyololism. If you go down there and it's you don't support them just to go on some to go and look girls or to go on pussyolism.
Yeah, it is.
It is what it is.
>> The only the only BL I think that you can get is if you just live there. And even then, can I be honest with you? If I lived right opposite the Emirates.
Yeah. One of two things is happening.
Either when that's happening, I'm leaving. Yeah. If I ain't got the peace to do that, I'm just staying in my yard.
I'm not going outside. Go outside for what? Let them not do what they're doing.
>> 100%. I'm with you on that.
>> Let them do what they're doing.
thoughts they should every Yeah. No, I'm with you.
>> I'm the same. I went on Tuesday. Um I went to a Muay Thai class and um I ran there. I have the evidence.
My knees are [ __ ] I fell over cuz my legs were wobbly still from the Muay Thai class.
>> Yeah.
>> I ran there and you know when you said you're hugging up people that you've never met.
>> Yeah.
>> That's what I was doing.
>> I headed the ball. Somebody threw a ball in. Yeah. Head of that. Is it >> um hugging up people, celebrating champagne bottles and if there was somebody that I saw like I I kept seeing like these videos when I went home where people would they had Man United shirts >> and got a piece of paper drew the Arsenal emblem emblem and then stuck >> on a United shirt. Yep. I hate the idea.
That's your people.
>> I hate that.
>> That's your people right now.
>> That's not my people. I'm not claiming them at all. They ain't got nothing to do with United.
>> It's insecure. They're insecure, bro.
It's FOMO.
>> It's FOMO.
>> FOMO. Let your friends actually disease.
>> Exactly. Let your friends Look, bro, I'll be honest here. You can check You can check my group chat history. I've been All my friends support Arsenal.
I've said to them for the past few years and maybe even longer.
>> I want you guys to win the league because I know my summer's going to be lit.
>> Yeah.
>> Last few summers it's been depressing.
They've been staying at home. Sun's out like this. They're >> They're everywhere. This weekend they're at recess land. They're on the road.
They're going out to markets. They're outside.
>> Yeah.
>> They're happy. I'm happy. They're happy.
That also means >> No, I'm I'm not. No.
>> No. But selfishly, they've gone through a lot.
>> They have.
>> Well, here's my thing. I This is what I'll say. This is what I'll say. Yeah.
>> There's a part of me I hate it. Firstly, I do. I hate it. But though they have gone through a lot.
>> You've seen it. So, so, so wait, wait, let me just finish. Let me land. Yeah.
Like I am like, okay, now what's the way of putting this? I'm not happy that they're winning, that they've that they've done it. I'm just like, you know what?
>> Yeah, you deserve a little something. Do you get what I'm saying? No, I'm not.
That's not the way of putting it. It's more just like, you know what, I see it.
You get what I'm saying? The only thing that I'm good with in terms of like that gives me a certain level of happiness.
Yeah. Is >> see my best mate. I've seen him really be in a p I've seen him Yeah. being in a real pickle with it. Right. I've bantered him to pieces.
>> Yeah.
>> I've banted him to pieces. He's being bantered in WhatsApp groups and all of that type of stuff. Yeah. Now, with him having a family, >> the one thing that I like is the fact that he gets to experience something that is so >> it's so beautiful >> with your family.
>> That makes me happy. Does it make me happy that you're going to the parade?
No.
>> I couldn't give a monkey.
>> Okay. Okay. Answer me this right. Do you think if Chelsea had won the league?
Yeah.
>> London couldn't give a monkey. London.
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about London teams. Yeah. Do you think London be would be this alive?
>> No.
>> No. But when things ARE A MONKEY.
>> NO. MY point is this. Yeah. When everybody is happy and ecstatic around you in your city, you feed off the vibrations naturally.
>> The way things are.
>> No. What? No. No. No. No. No. This is the record to be no. Okay. Okay. You know what? Huh? Do you know why I disagree with that? I'll tell you why I disagree with that. That works to a point. Yeah. So, for example, the World Cup. Yeah. Everyone is kind of in that because you see with England, even though some people do support other teams, other countries or whatever.
Yeah. Like as a whole, the country is in a better place in terms of vibe when England is in the World Cup. Is in the World Cup. Yeah. This is one singular team from one particular area. So this level of euphoria comes with a level of banter that some people just don't really like because you've been bantered the whole time. So it's not like it's a thing of because bearing in mind yeah this level of euphoria isn't just oh we've won the league. This is a see what you lots have about us though >> and I but of course I understand that.
So do you think I'm happy? No, I'm not happy. But though, because they've gone through the mud for such a long period of time, I'm like, you know what? This is your time now. But it's not happy.
>> But do you know >> Go on. You know what's interesting about this? Yeah. Is that >> I don't know about you, but I'm not one that was [ __ ] on Arsenal fans.
>> No, neither was I.
>> So, like, I'm not holding any of these shots that they're shooting. No, but here's the thing. I am all right.
>> I'm not I firstly I'm not even a proper football head like that anyway.
>> Exactly. So much energy though.
>> Secondly, Secondly, yeah. Uh >> so much energy.
>> But that's football. That's my whole point.
>> You just said you're not a football man.
>> No, I'm just giving a context because all my people around me are football people. So So for me, yeah, I'm not even into football too much like that. But guess what happens? As soon as United lose, phone call, phone call, text. I'm like, I never ring you when when Arsenal lose. I'm never the friend that rings or sends a text or takes a picture of my face. I don't really do that. But when it's that this way, they do that and I understand that. That's the game. It's part of the banter. I understand that.
>> So now when they when they've won and the whole thing is naturally because I would be doing exactly the same thing.
Trust me, I'll be doing exactly the same thing. Of course, you're going to be like, "Oh, this is [ __ ] This is like, oh, this is annoying." Every day. Yeah.
I'm in three WhatsApp groups of with bunch of football supporters. Yeah.
Every day they they're flipping phoning the group. Every day phoning the group.
My best mate rang the group. I answered.
I was the only one in the group to answer it. And you know what he said? He said, "Do you know how many days there is between now and the start of next the start of the following season?" I said, "What?" He said, "90 days." He said, "For 90 days, you're going to see me."
He said, "You're going to see me for 90 days." And then he put the phone down on a on the wall. He stepped back and he said, "Take a picture of this." And on the back he's got Arsenal shirt. It says, "Champions." And he does that. And it's like, but the thing is, I hear him.
Of course, naturally, I hear him. It makes all of it's funny. Yeah, but does it make me happy? No, it doesn't. But that's what I'm saying. Let them have their happiness because if you go in there now and you're not a part of it, it's like >> you're just suppressing the thing, man.
The other thing is I'm kind of happy I'm starting to see a couple apologies for Arteta as well. I am. I'll be honest with you. I am because from what I'm not an Arsenal supporter, but what I did see >> I can already tell.
>> But what I did see Yeah. was a [ __ ] Get him out of here. Get him out. Guess what? 22 years you waited and he did it.
Yeah, he did it. Apologize.
>> Yeah.
>> Apologize.
>> In fact, your celebration should have a little less energy than everybody else.
>> Slightly. Slightly. Slightly. You should be You should I'll be honest. I'll be honest with you. If you if you see him, you should be embarrassed.
>> You should be embarrassed. Lightly. Now, again, it's football. Of course, emotions take control of people and they just say stuff or whatever and you don't necessarily always mean it. But >> this was taking people into dark places because that's this is their life.
>> So in that this human being Arteta, this one man Yeah. was having to deal with the heavy emotions of people calling him every single name under the sun, want him to lose his job, not have an income.
>> You know what I'm saying? Not have an income. And then he then he provides it.
Yeah, you better apologize. There should be more of it.
>> There should be more of it. Yeah. And also the other thing is I saw a video of Dave and Damson.
>> I saw that >> and people were asking them about the football team that they support and whatever and they both support United >> and so everyone on the internet was talking about them United and whatnot.
But you know what I saw?
>> I saw Ferrari. I saw a Ferrari. I SAW TWO BLACK MEN IN A [ __ ] FERRARI.
THAT'S WHAT I SAW. And let me tell you something. Yeah. Not even just that. Two men who are really good. Well, he was a one driver who's really good at his craft and he did it through music. Do you know how sick that is? Because as an old head, I remember when that wasn't normal, >> right?
>> I remember when that wasn't normal. So when I'm seeing this guy driving around in a Ferrari on a chilled one somewhere probably in where are they? Kensington or something like that. Yeah.
>> Somewhere around that way. I said I didn't even hear what was going on.
There's conversations happening and whatnot. I'm not seeing that. I'm just watching what's going on. I'm saying look at these two >> Ferrari and that.
>> Does black black excellence overthrow Arsenal?
>> To bits.
>> I'm with it.
>> To bits.
>> I'm with it. to bits. And you know what?
>> There's crossover.
>> What day was that?
>> What day was that?
>> This week, like Thursday, Friday towards the end of the day.
>> There was what? In a young Ferrari on a Friday. I don't EVEN CAN I JUST say as well, I don't even think that was Dave's main joint.
>> Probably not.
>> That wasn't even a main joint.
>> Damson was passenger princess. Yeah. He ain't even pulled out his one yet.
Pause.
>> Do you get what I'm saying?
>> Like, yeah, man. That's what I saw.
>> But yeah, man. I'll be honest. I've been so happy that I've been away since all of this. I've been so happy that I've been away and I'm also happy that >> I'm going to be in Birmingham on the day of the parade.
And another thing that I've done in closing, the Champions League final is on Saturday.
>> Mhm.
>> And I said to myself, if if Arsenal win the Champions League as well, this is going to be absolutely unbearable. Then I found a way that it could be bearable.
Go on.
>> I went on bet 369.
>> 365. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And I saw I can't remember exactly what the odds was, but it was for every let's say let's say for every £100. Yeah. You get 225 or 230 if they lift the trophy. So that's like 90 minutes plus the extra time if it goes to extra time. So I asked myself one big question.
How much would I be happy to lose financially if PSG beat Arsenal?
But how much am I willing to put down?
Because if Arsenal win, I need to gain.
>> Sure.
>> Do you get what I'm saying? I need to gain. So there needs to be a fine balance there. So if I put down a couple hundred quid and Arsenal win, I'm going to hate the fact that they won, but I won some P. But if they lost, what's the P that I would be okay with saying, you know what, I lost the P, but then man lost as well, cuz that's I'm bitter like that. I put three bills down.
>> Three bills. Y perfect. Oh, three bills.
>> Why am I still here?
>> I was perfect. Where the [ __ ] am I?
>> I bought three bills. I bought three bills down. And I'm not going to lie.
I'll be honest with you, EA.
>> I was going to put an extra two.
>> What would you So, how much?
>> But I thought, nah, I can't lose five bills. I don't think >> 420, >> huh?
>> 420?
>> What? No. What? Three bills?
>> Yeah.
>> No, I get I get six >> I get six something cuz it's double your money. It's double your money and change basically.
>> So, >> yeah. For every 100, it's 100 on top.
>> Do you get what I'm saying?
>> So then I went back after I put the three bills, it was like three, I'll tell you now, six, and someone's done the math somewhere. Someone, you can put it in the comments quick, fast. Yeah.
I'm not even going to do it.
>> So I've done that and then I said, you know what?
So I put on another two, but then I thought, nah, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to lose five bills. Like >> gamble aware.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I'm not like that's not the way that I do that. When I put on bets anyway, I usually only bet like5 pounds and I just do a madness and if it comes through, it comes through. I don't mind losing a fiverr. Yeah.
>> But if I if it comes through, it's probably a back.
>> Yeah.
>> Because it's like it's probably not going to happen.
>> So yeah, >> that's cold.
>> Um >> it will be unbearable if they win though regardless.
>> But you know what?
That's just the way the cookie crumbles, is it?
>> Yeah.
>> Apologize to my man Artetta. Yeah.
Apologize. Yeah.
and everyone just has to deal with that for the summer and it's fair. Um, it is what it is. Shout out to G Money who lives in Kenya. He's here now. He he booked his he said he booked his flight.
Let me see if I can call him. I'm going to >> Have you guys seen those videos in Kenya and Uganda?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And Ethiopia.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Ethiopia is crazy.
>> It's insane.
>> Ghana lost their minds. They even got Aston Villa fans over there. They lost their minds when Aston Villa won the trophy.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I seen that >> man like >> G Money, you are live on the HC pod.
>> Okay, that's cool.
>> I just want to say that you make me sick.
>> No, do you know what, bro? The the the reason that doesn't bother me is cuz I know you don't mean it. So, it's fine.
>> HE MEANS IT. You can say whatever you like, bro.
>> How does it feel? How does it feel? I know you're in the country now. How does it feel?
>> No, it feels good. And to be honest, like London needed this.
London needed this. Like um I was out the day of um of the final game and just walking past people in the city. The whole world feels lighter. Like I feel like this could have stopped the war in Iran. I feel like this could have this could have finished Ebola. Like anything that's happening in the world just feels lighter.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like London London needed this, bro.
Needed this.
>> So wait, >> cuz you >> go on go continue.
>> Cuz you and I had this conversation when you were in Kenya about sometimes how heavy London feels.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> London needed this. And it doesn't matter if you're a Arsenal fan, a Spurs fan, it doesn't matter if you're a United, doesn't matter where who you are, London needed this.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean?
You you said I saw you say yeah.
>> When did you book your flight? When did you book your flight back to London?
>> I booked my flight for um on the 8th around the 8th of March >> cuz um yeah 8th of March.
>> So from that from that point on from then you was confident that it was happening. So, my thing was that um I had a bet with my barber in Kenya and I said to him, "Every time I come for a haircut, if we don't win the Premier League, I'm paying you double."
>> Whoa. Serious?
>> Yeah. I had a bet with a barber saying that if I get my hair my beard trim up every week. So, I'm like, if I if we don't win, every single time I come into the shop, I'm paying you double for this. So for me in my mind and anybody who was doubting it, I said I don't have room in my brain that we're not going to win this Premier League. Like I was so convinced. So that's why I booked my flight back for the 23rd of May. In fact um my flight was booked based on us winning the um Premier League. So now that I'm I'm back here, I've got to stay an extra week because we might win the Champions League. So I was I was convinced 100%. How you feeling about the Champions League?
>> So, you know, one of the 48 laws of power is know when to stop, right? Let me let me let me let me let me explain that, right? You have to know what your targets are in a war.
>> So, for me personally, and I'm not I'm not flaking and I'm not being unambitious and I've said this on numerous podcasts, even my own. All I wanted was the Premier League.
>> That's all I wanted. dance a yard before you dance abroad.
>> Strongly. Strongly.
>> So, all I wanted was the Premier League.
The fact that we can get the Champions League to me is an added bonus.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> If if we get it, I'm going to be ungovernable.
If we don't get it, I'm going to be ungovernable.
>> So, there's no difference to me, bro.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know what I mean?
>> You know what I mean? But next time, don't call me. Bring me on the pod, man.
You know my story.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I will do. I will do. You know, it was a sp it was a spontaneous call, but we'll do it. You're here for So, you're here. You're here for a little bit then.
>> No, I'm here. I'm I'm going back on um I think next week like the third or the fourth of June. I got a I got a couple thing, you know, you know you know you've been there, mate. Got >> Yeah, man. I loved it. I love How How was it being over there anyway? How was things over there?
>> No, Kenya is live, man. The only the only um I wouldn't say it's an issue cuz this is just me, but it's like I feel like everyone's discovering it now. Like I've been there for like almost 20 years now and I've been telling people, "Yo, by the way, Kenya's lit." But now they're actually believing that they're coming and I'm bumping into people in malls and I'm like, "But I ain't seen you for what are you doing here?"
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It's become too live. It's become too live, which is a beautiful thing. You know, Africa is I've been saying it since I've been there. It's the future.
So I'm just glad that more and more people are now looking outside of themselves and say, you know what, I can own a unit. I can own a unit in Kenya. I can travel. I can be amongst my people.
So for me, I'm just loving the fact that Kenya is now top of the list for so many people, you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I climatized so quickly when I got there. Um, >> bro, you you a native, bro.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Literally, >> I just I really enjoyed it. Huh. No, I always say I love people like you who you know sometimes when you have a guest you kind of think to your mind like oh my god to make sure this is okay. You were just easy. You were just out and about like you you were on the road.
>> Do you know what I noticed as well? Um being in Kenya Yeah. is that like the amount of respect that people had for me because I was with my mom too was was interesting to see because like I'd be with my mom and whatnot and people just absolutely had so much love and respect for it like differently.
>> Yeah. And and but then end of the day, bro, that's part of the culture of of not just Africa, of even us like growing up in our generation of of of as Caribbean people.
>> End of the day, you know, the respect that we have for the matriarchs is different, in it. So, it's just that it's more visible in Africa, maybe now because it's less visible in the UK, you know?
>> Yeah. Facts. That's true. That is true.
>> You know what I mean?
>> Well, listen, man. We give thanks every day and um I know that I'm going to see you every single day on which I have been every day. As soon as I pop on my pop up on my Instagram, G Money pops up immediately with a piece with a content piece.
>> 365 days of chaos. I'm challenging myself to post every single day about Arsenal. Every single day for 365 days, bro. And I'm going to do it.
I don't doubt you, bro. All right, we'll chat anyway.
>> All right, bless man. Bless up the man.
Yeah, >> love >> G money. Cool guy. He's um he's main guy in Kenya centrally. Um lived here for a long time. He's he spends a lot of time in Jamaica. His family is Jamaican as well. Uh he used to be on One Extra. Um, yeah, certified DJ. Yeah, man. He's proper. Um, oh, this is what I wanted to bring up.
This would be good for you, actually.
So, I I'm going to do this Drake stuff, by the way. I need just want to get it out of the way cuz I never did it last week. And also, Oio Mitch is in Barbados, so I haven't been able to bring him here. It would be good to sit down with him and and dissect that cuz I know that if you watch HC Pod or listen, you'll know anytime Drake drops, it's always Mitch O Mitch and we have that conversation. So, we still will do it at some point and just talk about some other stuff. But anyway, I came back to London and I saw that there was um conversation about Married at First Sight and they were getting rid of like some of the shows or whatever. Yeah. because there was a grape allegation. Yeah.
And so am I writing saying that the conversation was based upon or the allegation was based upon um a couple that were together she had said to the guy whatever you do don't bust inside me and he bust inside her.
>> Tell the story. So, it's one of those things where there's been multiple cases on the show and they banded together.
>> Oh, got you.
>> So, it wasn't just one person.
>> Yeah. And it's not just grape. It is I said a grape.
>> Okay.
>> Sorry, my voice is [ __ ] >> All right, cool.
>> I should have said that word as well.
No, >> you're fine.
>> All right, cool. Um, you know, you seen these panorama sort of documentaries before. It's like that, you know, like when they build a case, >> watching it come like come to fruition.
Um, and what you were talking about um the whole series getting knocked off um Channel 4, >> it's obviously since that documentary has come out and I think the new season was meant to come out later this year, but that's been pushed back also. Um, that is one what you just mentioned did happen at least in accordance to what she has said. If you look more into that situation with that couple though, they were always in um questioned as a questionable couple. Like they were saying, "Both of you are not basically doing well." Um but the way that they were kind of like the therapists, I guess that's what they're called. U marriage marriage >> relationship experts.
>> That's it. Thank you. Relationship experts. They were kind of targeting both of them. But I guess hindsight's 2020 and from her perspective, it really wasn't her. like it was him who was the more dominant, more abusive, the more whatever you want to call it one out of the out of all of them. Um, I think there's also a gay couple involved in the conversation when it comes to this stuff as well, but it's all just kind of coming out. I've still yet to watch it.
I don't even know if it's actually out yet. It may be, but >> So, this was in one one season and Yeah.
>> Um, >> or is this like spanning over >> different seasons?
>> Different seasons. It's not just one season. Like I said, >> they took down old episodes. Yeah, >> correct. Like they removed all the old episodes because those people in those cases are in those old episodes.
>> And so it's going to get Channel 4 in a sticky situation.
>> Um my thoughts are like are they going to widen the horizons in terms of their investigation and go to places like Australia where that show is massive.
>> Massive. It's huge.
>> I think even those that's what I've watched. I've not watched Married at First Sight, the UK one. I don't believe >> I think I watched one.
>> I might have watched one actually. I don't know if I finished it, but I watched two Australian one.
>> I watched the most recent one and it was chaos.
Chaos. All these relationship experts seem to be blaming all the women and since the show has come out, they're all like, it was the men. And so I'm thinking, well, if it's going down here, it's going to go down there. Um, one thing that people haven't mentioned is like one of the relationship experts has recently passed.
>> Um, yeah, one of the ladies sadly passed. Um, I think she had cancer, >> right?
>> Um, I don't know how like they just came up like obviously like how I said the Australian episodes had just been just finished now and they were on this whole like you know you'll be missed kind of thing and then straight after this it kind of tarnishes the whole brand the name her her legacy all this sort of stuff. That's I was thinking multiple things like one is the investigation going to go over there into Australia.
Two it's tarnished her like I think that's very very sad. um given that I think she's one of the oldest sort like people on that show. Um but what's this that you've just popped up?
>> Oh yeah. What have you got here?
>> So this is an article by uh Sharon Gaffka on the Guardian. By the Guardian.
Um she said something quite interesting.
I'm going to Can I read it?
>> Yeah. Go on.
>> Go ahead. So she said um on shows such as Love Island and Big Brother, there is at least uh contestant oversight, cameras in effect roll 24/7. Uh there are microphones everywhere in Love Island Villa, including in the bed headboards. Welfare checks are regular to the point where producers even monitor how much water the contestants are drinking.
>> Uh producers are physically nearby almost all the time. That does not mean that these formats are faultless. Uh, but one thing that stood out to me when watching the Panama documentary was how much less oversight appears to exist within Married at First Sight.
Contestants are living together in private apartments, often without continual monitoring >> while being actively encouraged to form emotionally and sexually intense relationships with people they have only just met.
>> That combination creates risk. And if television producers are deliberately creating emotionally heightened environments for entertainment, they cannot simultaneously act surprised when safeguarding concerns emerge. But the bigger issue is for me is not simply welf whether welfare exists. It's also it's who welfare ultimately answers to.
At the moment welfare teams are still embedded within the producers the production structure. They sit with the same with they sit within the same ecosystem as the people responsible for delivering storylines, ratings, and successful television. Even where individuals within welfare teams generally care deeply about contestants, there is still an unavoidable conflict built into the structure itself.
>> Yeah, it cuz I I remember watching it and I remember I remember thinking to myself, I wonder how this actually works because see like with Love Island Yeah.
They are in a place that you could say is it's a villa, but it could be built specifically for that.
>> Yeah. It may not be. They might just hire something and then just do their due diligence with putting cameras and microphones everywhere, whatever, but it almost looks like a set.
>> Yeah.
>> Whereas with Married at First Sight is not like that and you're going off and you're going and staying in places and whatnot and then then they are encouraged to do certain stuff. Yeah. Um so then what does that look like? Go on.
>> It's that point. Exactly. That encouragement. One thing I always notice when I watch that show is how intense they are when it comes to intimacy. Have you been intimate? When will you be intimate? Why haven't you been intimate?
I'm just like, this is crazy. First and foremost, like most people, I think it is generally accepted that you can be intimate very very early on when you are talking to somebody. But I think in most societies, it's not the norm. Like you kind of do take your time. Um >> well there there's and there but there's also >> sorry just to end when you're talking about marriage >> oh >> in that aspect it's like if we are being serious and we're talking about long-term partners you might be slightly more hesitant but even the hesitancy is questioned why why have you not built these relationships why have you not taken the time to have these conversations where you can be intimate I think what that does is like the type of pressure it puts on people in those in those types of relationships or in that that particular particular setting where like you were saying like Love Island as a set you're going into. They're going to apartments. They literally have a whole block.
>> Yeah, they have a block.
>> They have a whole block full of random people >> paired up, coupled up in their own yard.
>> And but there's also just there's no cameras or no there's no um microphones and that in there on a 24-hour basis.
This is true, but the there are certain episodes and certain series where I know that there are clips that you've seen where the cameras come in early so they catch little bits in conversations. So, I know they can get in get in there, but they choose not to and they choose to kind of like stay away from certain couples with them being more intimate because the story line is more engaging.
Like I remember there was this one in Australia where there was like a whole cheating sort of situation.
>> I think that's what >> you know exactly what I'm talking about.
They went straight into the bedroom and there them two were chatting up in the bed like they didn't just [ __ ] Obviously they're not partnered together. Um but my forget the story line. The cameras are there.
>> Yeah, >> that's my point. My point is the cameras can be there. Not to say you should be in the bedroom. It's just what she just to >> Maybe it should though.
>> Yeah, maybe. That's what I was going to say. Putting on what she's saying.
>> That's what that that's what she's basically saying.
>> Exactly. That's >> because she's essentially saying that like the reason why you what you do not hear these type of things in in a Love Island for example is because of how close the producers are and how everyone is 24 hours. If anything goes off, there's something happening. They can hear [ __ ] >> I didn't even know that there was um uh microphones on the headboard and that.
>> So they must be I mean they must be mad when they are slam dunking in there then. You know what I'm saying? It's like okay you got to turn that off.
>> But it's due diligence and not even turn it off. It's just like we've heard it.
Maybe they mute it while they're in a production office, but they're like we just won't air it. And we just need to know that this was consensual. You said >> yes.
>> And we've heard the yes and we're like cool.
>> I wonder if that's a thing. I wonder if they ever say as well like obviously everyone you can do your own thing.
There's condoms there. There's no pressure to do anything. Yeah. But maybe create a safe word here or a way to ask the question before you do do what you're doing. Yeah. Don't just be thinking you're laying in bed now and you're going to just slide in a finger and whatnot. You have to ask this question first.
>> We can pick it up on the microphone, babes. Is it pineapples tonight?
>> Yes.
>> All right. Cool. We've picked that up.
Yeah, that's all good. They're doing what they're doing. Fine. You can't just out the blue be slam dunking. Do you get what I'm saying, man? It's all mad.
>> It's just not safeguarding, is there?
Really? That's what I'm trying to get at. Like >> the I think the only one that I've watched here from the UK, one of the guys who was like, I guess the most scandalous out of all of them. Um, turned out he was on Hinge the whole time when he was on the show. I think that >> is that scandalous?
>> No, it's just more the >> Oh, he was actually on his >> It's the fact it's the way he denied it that just went on and on. But he was he was still actively on it while he was on the show.
>> Exactly. The difference between Love Island and something like um Married at First Sight. Love Island is live to some extent. It's happening within that week we are watching it you know do you get?
So like the day before we're watching it now whereas Married at First Sight they filmed the whole thing then just drop it >> and but also sorry to interrupt you but the also there's another big fundamental difference too. The big fun fundamental difference is is that you are paired with a person like they are supposed to have done studies on who they are partnering you with. I >> agree. Right.
>> So then that's like >> with with Love Island it's just a >> freeall. My point is this when Love Island comes out we as viewers are involved in this whole situation.
Correct. There is such a thing as offcom. How many complaints do people make to this offcom? And things can be changed or things can be like >> Yeah. If someone if someone looks like they're getting bullied.
>> Exactly.
>> With Married at First Sight, you do not have that ability. You can only complain once it's done, you know, once the viewer has witnessed something say, "Well, that looks off." But it's a little too late. Like, it's completely >> They've wiped their hands off these people. They've let them go and live their lives, and now they decide to air the show.
>> Us as viewers, we feel, I guess, helpless. It's not to say that we're like completely involved in it, but like they want us to be. And so when we're watching the show, people are going to build their own opinions, but when you make these complaints to offcom, these guys don't do nothing because the show's done now.
>> But is the is the complaint is the complaint >> or the case on this just purely a sexual thing.
>> It's multiple things like >> because if it's purely sexual, then I get the point that you you're making there makes all the sense in the world.
I get it. Yeah. But this is a sexual thing. So that could happen in one that could happen in one moment on Love Island or it could happen in one moment on there. It's just it's a sexual moment.
>> There's multiple layers to this.
>> If it's bullying, >> this is what there's multiple layers to the abusive stuff. In Australia, what they have is that this live show that happens afterwards, after the show has aired, that's happening in real time so people can voice their opinions. And so we kind of kind of kind of hear it out and things are being dealt with in that time. I don't think they have the same thing here over here.
>> Yeah. But either way, if it's a sexual moment, >> that moment has happened. So it's like >> that's almost like a different conversation cuz it's a moment that's happened and there's a level of consent has been completely broken. And that can be broken in so many different dynamics, isn't it?
>> I, you know, I was having this conversation with a couple of people just recently as well. So it's like they were like not necessarily rebuttals on like the allegation type. Yeah. But I was saying that like I hear it though if you are having sex if you are having sex with somebody and that person says to you listen don't come inside me saying that you got caught up in the moment is not an excuse. It's not a reason. Do you get what I'm saying? It's not a reason. Now I one thing I can hear, this is the one thing I can hear is that someone can say to you, look, do whatever you do, don't ejaculate in me.
Yeah. Then you're doing what you're doing or whatnot. Then you've you're out of it. But you know what I mean? It's going all over. Do you get what I'm saying? And it it just gets mad. But if you've made no attempt, you've just completely disregarded what that person has said and and did that. I just think that is insanity.
>> Now, some people will like poke holes in it and say that like, you know, sometimes they may be told after the fact. So like you've had you're sleeping with somebody they not mention it to you in that moment and then you've done it and then afterwards they've been like me >> and you're like >> yeah I did and they're like oh [ __ ] that wasn't really part of the move but we never had that conversation obviously I'm inside I didn't really know like there's a big nuance to that but I just think if somebody has told you before even if you're inside and you haven't ejaculated yet and someone has told you do not come inside me to then come inside them after that is outrageous.
And there used to be these stories before of, you know, like people wearing condoms. Yeah. And then taking the condom off mid sex. That's great >> cuz that's not part of the agreement.
You just put that on and then now you've taken that off with this with like deception. I feel like we sometimes live in a world Yeah. where we take away some of the we take away some of the nuance to be biased within ourselves and in some ways make ourselves a potential victim in it because there are times where there are allegations that are not true but I do think still when you write it down on a piece of paper what is what is a go and what isn't a go to me I feel it's as clear as day if you've had a especially if you've had a conversation. If someone has told you, yo, this is just not what I want. We can do all of this, but I just just don't I just don't want to do that. Like to then go and disregard it and do it. I just think it's just is mental. I I also think in this situation it's quite heightened because there isn't really much of a difference, but there is a slight difference when it's somebody else is doing the due diligence for you to find your partner.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Because it's like of course there are it's never the woman's fault. That has to be clear here. But at the same time there is a situation whereby like in this case it's not your fault but there it somebody might have skipped something here. Somebody might have skipped a potential red flag to put this guy in your bed.
>> Yeah. But yeah. No though. You know what it is? Yeah. You know I've said this loads of times on the pod like every day is a normal day until it's not.
>> Yeah. And so like something can be relatively normal for a long period of time until it's just not. So it's like if you're sitting down with somebody and you're doing tests, assessments, and all of that. Yeah. There are some people who I guess it does lean to your point a bit, but it's like they present themselves in a way that is just is fine because you've done x amount of tests with them. you've spoken to them numerous times, you you start to feel like you get an understanding of their personality and their traits. So, you're not to think that this particular person is going to completely disregard something that is very important because I do think that it's like it's quite look I'm going to be very very honest. There has been times when I've been with a woman and she has looked me in my face and said, "Just don't do that." It's clear.
>> It's clear.
It's clear for me to then go and do it afterwards. I've just completely disregarded that. And like me even using the vibe of like, "Ah, but do you know what? I just got C." Like again, and I don't even want to be like I don't want this to be a trigger warning to anyone here, but you'll know as a man, you know, when you start getting to that moment, there are times when you get to that moment. Yeah. And you your head's all over the place.
>> Sure.
>> Your head is all over the place, >> but it's not an excuse because when your head's all over the place, Yeah. you know, like this might not stay in, but it's like you going to be having sex with somebody without contraception.
Yeah. And you know, I shouldn't even be having sex with this person without conception anyway. This is all a bit mad. But now you're in it. It's feeling good. And then you start thinking, you know, the consequences cuz she could get pregnant. But in that moment of the buildup, you think, "Fuck it." Do you know what? I don't care if she has this baby or not. She's This is it. This is it. I'm doing it and I'm closing my eyes. Yeah. I'm closing my eyes. And then afterwards, you think, "Oh my god, why did I do that?"
But you see in that moment, yeah, if somebody tells you this is not what I want, in that buildup, your mind is probably telling you, >> I know she's told me this, but now I'm doing it.
>> Whose mind does that >> here? We still got a mind.
>> Oh, in general, you know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah.
>> What I was trying to say was, yeah, when you said everyday is a >> Everyday is a normal day until it's not.
The difference is if we're talking about this particular case, right, he was already showing signs of being like a bit of a narcissist in the leadup and whatever happened behind closed doors is whatever happened behind closed doors.
But in the leadup, there were characteristics that were shown as a viewer that eventually has obviously come out where she's like, "Yeah, it was a bit of a narcissist." Like that was him. So had it been live, not to I don't know how this show would work if it was live. Had it been live, had there been people complaining, who knows? Not I don't know if it would have stopped it.
All I'm saying is it would have been highlighted more. You're not just relying on three different three people on the other side of a sofa >> that are claiming to be relationship experts to be the judge, the jewelry, and the whatever you want to call it. in this situation when I was saying earlier that like both of them were getting the slack of like not handling this relationship well everyone was seeing that it was coming from him mainly but it's only after the fact because they film in ma this massive >> like in bulk and then they just release it all >> irreg but I know what you're saying in it but irregardless of the relationshipist >> they they could have had a great relationship and he could have still did it >> no I agree I said we're I literally started this by saying if we're talking about this particular >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> That saying had it not been filmed the way that it's filmed.
>> There is definitely >> but Okay. Yeah. Go on.
>> No. No. Go on.
>> So you see this one particular situation. Yeah.
>> Cuz I I was under the impression that it was multiple grapes.
>> Yeah. So, it says here that two women have made allegations that they were aed uh by their on-screen husbands, while another described an alleged nonconsentual sex act.
>> Non-consensual sex act, >> which could be anything really.
>> Yeah.
>> I assume that that was the nut in, but I also know that that is also considered >> rape.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And so it should be.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And so it should be >> by law. But I don't know if they're trying to >> I think I we need to sit down and watch that panorama um special.
>> When is it?
>> I I'm not sure. I think it could already be out.
>> I think it's already >> I just kind of been on a bit of a high this week, so I haven't really been watching anything.
>> Yeah, earlier this week. It would have been >> maybe even last week. This was >> When did this article come out?
>> Yeah, it would have been last week once I started seeing all these clips. They came out last week.
>> 23rd of May, Saturday. Yeah. So, this would have come out. it would have come out at the beginning or end of last week. Panama was usually on a Wednesday or Thursday.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So maybe Yeah. But yeah, it's um it's incredibly unfortunate and they need there's definitely a need for um if if maths if maths is going to continue, there definitely needs to be a way of you won't ever know. And also I guess people will argue that you've signed up for this risk.
>> Can I say yeah. Have you?
>> No.
>> Not not this risk, but you've signed up for the experiment. It's called an experiment. I don't know what I don't know what the experiment >> we do because they said they said the parameters at the beginning is to get married.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It is to get married, but it's based upon >> some essentially some people would say they found it difficult dating or whatever it may be. So, they've gone through an experiment where it's done by science >> like what is your personality like? What do you what your what my personality is like? and they just pair it based upon a bunch of different things. Now, naturally, I believe that they do have a couple that they know is going to be a little bit of a mix and blend in it because this entertainment and entertainment, look, if everyone >> was on Married at First Sight and everyone got on really well and everyone got married and saw each other out, this would not be a hit.
>> People are not watching that. They are going to watch it because they want to see some level of something. It's the same with Love Island. Let's not have this right. Let's have this right. It's not going to be a thing of, you know, everyone's on there, everyone gets on really well and they they break up amicably and move around really night.
Like people are there for the smoke, for the dismay, for the heartbreak and for all of that. Yeah. And so in that there are certain things that are going to happen. But what I will say is, yeah, I'm just speaking from a man's point of view here. Yeah.
more women would like would know more the insight on this. But I can see that there are probably times where a woman regardless of what the situation that she's in with that person has been in a situation with a man where they found it really difficult to to say I don't want to do this because they might be intimidated. They might they could be intimidated. They could be there could just be a lot of different things going on. Yeah, please one sec. But though I still think in that intimidation that there are probably still a lot of women that may think, okay, I'm just going to do this because this is just the easier thing for me to do. But it would still be easier for them in that moment to say whatever you do, please don't do that.
Please don't do that.
disregarding that is absolutely mental.
>> Yeah.
>> Because again, some are already put in a situation where they already feel like they can't even say no.
Do you know what I mean?
So yeah. Anyway, man them look there are many things that we can discuss on our side. We had a flipping man there the other day talking about men's issues and stuff like that. But it's just this one particular thing just in general. You have to look out for that type of sign.
That is if you are if you are a person who has been outside or will be outside um you start to have certain types of engagements with women. There might be a time in your life where you might hear that and you just got to take it very seriously. You don't want to put somebody in a mad in in a mad position like that. And afterare is really important. I always say that.
>> Incredibly important.
>> Yeah. Afterare is really important.
Especially Yeah. Especially when you've had the wildest one. If you've just had if you're swinging off the chandelier going absolutely bonkers doing all kinds of stuff and whatnot. Yeah. Afterwards the afterare's got you have to do you know what I'm saying? Because like >> yeah that might have been what she wanted and you didn't even really want that.
>> But still though you turned up the scheme in such a mad way. Just make sure that the afterare is proper. Make sure that's you know I mean it goes a long way. I I would say >> consent is sexy. If it's not yes, it's no.
>> Yeah, agreed.
>> Um, all right. Let me just do this Drake stuff, really quickly. Everyone heard a Drake project? Yeah.
>> Projects.
>> Projects.
>> Projects. Yes. Um, I don't need to do all of that. Everyone knows there's free projects and all of that stuff. My thoughts on it was I listened to M. This is what happened. I listened to Iceman first. I listened to Iceman and I was tidy on my yard and there was lots of points in it where at first I didn't like it. I actually didn't like it. I wasn't really loving it. I just wasn't really It was just all right. It was just okay. Yeah. And then I jumped in my car and I listened to it again and I was like, "Yeah, do you know what? Like there's um parts in this project that naturally I'm going to lead to because I like Drake when he's rapping. That's me." Yeah. on this pod.
I've been saying for ages, I just want Drake to just rap without him trying to be a 22 year old. I just want to hear him being in his 30s and just rapping appropriately and just giving us a project from that perspective. Yeah. And so when I listen to it again, I realized this is exactly what he's doing. He's given me personally what I wanted with the Make Them Cry, the Make Them Pays, all of that. And just even with other bits like Burning Bridges, um, uh, I can't even remember some of the other songs. Dusk. I mean, when Dusk came on at first, that's a second song, isn't it?
>> He's doing that singing bit there and I was like, uh, and then the Janice shut the [ __ ] up or whatever.
>> Yeah.
>> I wasn't really, but then I'm listening to what he's saying and I'm like, yeah, no, I hear all of it. I hear every element of it. This is a project. Yeah.
where he's saying basically to everyone, yeah, [ __ ] you in it. Like that's that and remember what you remember the side that you chose. Remember how you was moving when all of this was going on.
>> I didn't want him to spend a whole project harboring Kendrick particularly.
I didn't want to hear like on every song he's just dissing Kendrick and just getting annoyed and this that and the fourth. But am I mad at him spending the project talking about, "Yo, I saw the way everyone was moving. It's mad."
>> Like, everyone was all moving sideways and stuff. No. Yeah, I hear it. I hear it. And I'll go as far as saying this. I don't really know the context between Drake and LeBron James. I don't. But what I will say is what the internet is telling us. Yeah. Cuz what the internet says is facts. I wouldn't do what he did.
>> Right. If Drake is my guy.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm not going in it. But what I probably would do is I might text him and say, "Yo, this dude's hard though."
>> You know what I'm saying? Or we might just chat on the phone and say, "Yo, brother, it's not like obviously I know the world." Cuz this is the thing. Yeah.
This is what I noticed with with this whole Drake situation.
Loads of people are like, "Oh yeah, but he just lost. Oh yeah, but he just lost, man." And like, "Just get over it. It's not a big deal." or like, you know, he's moaning or whatever it may be. Yeah.
Very few people in the world know what it's like to feel like the whole world or a big portion of the world is rooting for your demise.
>> Like they want to see this guy gone.
They want him to not make money for music again. Really. And as much as people say, "No, it wasn't that. They just wanted a battle." No. People wanted Drake out of here and people that he was cool with on top of that. Some people that he was mad cool with wanted that for him. People that he's broken bread with wanted that for him. Now him and Kendrick was always going to have to do this because it's necessary. Even if they didn't have an issue, they needed to do this because they're two dons at the top of their game and it's rap and they have to do this >> and there's going to there's always going to be a winner and there's going to be a loser and he lost. It just is what it is. But that feeling of what the internet must be like and what life you know we say yeah sometimes um let's say for me personally yeah I say something on the pod shade bar takes it goes on the internet it goes mad everyone get pretends like they're upset >> yeah everyone goes on like they're just mad upset then you go outside >> and it's not you don't really see it I'm sure that that's kind of the same that would happen with Drake. But this thing was so like huge that there is a world in which he steps outside and people are just like a minor and walking off. Do you know what I'm saying? Like how annoying must that be?
>> Honestly, >> someone bust some shots outside his yard. It might have been unrelated.
>> Remember that?
>> But that was a whole thing. There was bare things going on again going to LA techie when all of this is happening.
But same for Kendrick going to Toronto.
Techie when Toronto when he did um Kendrick did the show in Toronto when all of this was happening. Yeah. Do you think he stayed? Didn't stay. Man went did the show straight to the jet. Left.
I'm not I am not putting myself in a situation where I go into the staying by hotel and someone puts anfra in my curry.
>> Crazy.
>> You get what I'm saying? Crazy. So anyway, with Drake, people rooting on his demise. So I I hear all of that when he's sitting there and he's going at LeBron. He sneak this in certain people.
JCole. Yeah. Like I think it's mad that JCole hadn't called him still. I do. I do think it's mad. I think it's crazy. I think JCole is actually just a cool guy and he just got caught up in the mix because the internet told him he needed to do it. I was probably one of the only people in the world that was saying, Cole, get out of the park, bro. This is not for you. This is for these man.
Leave them. Don't let the internet fool you in think. Forget the big three thing. Let them two do what they need to do. The internet drew him out. Now he's done this and he's anxietyy's killing him and you know what I'm saying? And then now it's all mad he's hasn't reached out to. It's all crazy. And it's never going to be the same again.
LeBron, I don't think it's ever going to be the same again either. I don't know if LeBron James has been unfaithful to his wife and all of that. Yeah. But let me just put this on the table and push LeBron James out of this. Right. Let's I'm So he's I'm not talking about him.
I'm just going to create a scenario that the internet has created. Yeah. Based upon bars that Drake said.
If you've come to my yard, Yeah.
Me and you chat on the phone and I've bought girls around and you get what I'm saying? We've gone to shows together and whatnot and I've told you, "Yeah, this one here.
She knows where the bathroom is." You get what I'm saying? That's the This is the type of thing that's happening here.
Don't worry. You can go and take the master suite up there and go and do your thing, man. We You know what I'm saying, man? Them thing in the yard. That's us.
You're telling me now? Yeah. that this all of this is happening and you're going to start dancing and going to concerts and all of that. No, I'm not hearing all of that. I'm not hearing all of that. I'm not hearing all of that.
And the only way that I would have heard it is if LeBron James was from LA cuz I think that that makes that different. If you're from LA and there's a cultural moment that's happening in LA, then yeah, you know what? You you kind of have to be there. Not even just off the fact of the fact that it's LA, but I think that like there's like gang culture in particular and street culture is so deep in LA that you're going to get a phone call from somebody who's going to say to you, "Yo, big man, you you have to you have to be at that cuz it's deep. It's embedded like that over there." He's not from there. He just plays for the team. That's why my man said, "Yeah, you switch sides. That's your thing anyway."
>> Yeah.
>> You switch sides. That's what you do.
So, I should have expected that from you anyway. Yeah, it was Demar De Rozan who was cuz Demar's from LA but he played for Toronto how many years?
>> No, no, no. He spoke about LeBron in that aspect but um one of the situations was Demar De Rozan because Demar De Rozan grew up in Compton or or Inglewood or one of those areas and then he played in Toronto for like eight years.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now but then he kind of has to be >> he has to back it.
>> I hear it. That one I hear you grew up over there.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You've got to be there and and that's a phone call.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Listen, big man, this is going to upset you. I've got to be there. The man them on to me like it's all crazy. Do you get what I'm saying? And trust me, I love you, bro. I know it looks mad, but trust me, I love and you're not going to see me, although I'm there, you're not going to see me singing this song. You're not going to see me dancing and doing all that. I'll dance for the tunes that I other tunes that I like.
>> There's a whole project.
There's other songs on there. He's not even chatting about you. Like, I'll do that. Yeah. Cool. Um, the the ASAP, your baby mama didn't post a single. I did think that was funny. I did think that was funny still.
>> And you know, people went on to um Rihanna's Instagram and started saying um you ain't even post a single.
People went on there and said you ain't even post a single. Where she at?
Yeah. Either way, yeah, like I for me personally, I think Drake really delivered. He gave me in closing, he gave me on Ice Man, he gave me the project that I was probably looking for.
Do you know what I mean? Um, all the make them pays, the make Thems were good for me. Some of the other stuff, Little Birdie, one of my favorite songs off that project.
>> The other You want to play something?
>> Well, it's here. If you want to you can tell me what >> play little birdie and hers I don't like going to Vegas.
>> You know one of the reasons why I like this as well is because he kind of I think in this song here he mentions about um battling aging. He's turning 40 and battling aging. And I'm like, "Yeah, remember when we were sitting here before was saying like there's certain rappers that I really like because they rap, they're age appropriate, >> you know what I mean?" And it's that's what I've selfishly wanted from Drake at a point is just to to do that.
Um, and when I I just didn't think that he was doing that for a while. Um, but it's good to hear him in that reflection mode. Like this whole situation has made him have to take a step back and think, "Okay, cool. People are actually asking this from me." Like they want me to dig a little bit deeper and they want me to rap age appropriate, so I'm going to do it. Of course, he's going to want to do some other [ __ ] It's Drake. He's a person who listens to probably so much different types of music. Hence why you've got all of the other stuff. Made of Honor. What's the other one called? Habibi.
>> Habibi.
>> Habibi. Yeah. I've not listened to that all. I've listened to everything all the way through, but I just haven't gone back to any of them. The only thing that I've gone back to is outside of Iceman is a Maid of Honor, Amazing Shape with Popcorn. Of course.
>> Of course you have.
>> Of course. That tune is an absolute slappers.
in a little piece. Go on.
Do >> you know what as well? I'm glad that Drake stayed with Popcon because there's a world in which Cartel's out. He's the hottest thing. He could have just done a tune with Cartel.
Don't want that.
>> Don't want that. maybe on a separate point, but Popcon and Drake in particular have a certain type of relationship and that relationship needs to say stay solid, especially based upon the theme of the project. Anyway, if the theme of the project is I remembered how everyone was moving when this was going on and how everyone was treating me, yeah, when this was happening, fair enough. Some people might have had some points there and whatnot, but I also remember who weren't switching up on me.
And guess what? Popcorn never did that.
always there.
>> Facts >> there. So when it's time to make a rhythm, let's make a rhythm. And Drake's on a vibe of you know what? F everyone else in it. Like f everyone else. And remember remember what I'm telling you.
Remember that.
>> Like there can't be a time later on now phone calls. Woo woo woo. No. We had an opportunity to do that and we ain't doing it. Um I'm glad that him and Future as well pieced their thing up which is good.
>> Yeah.
Um, and Cole has to just make peace with what he did.
What was I going to say? I was going to move off this.
>> Really random. Did anyone want to see Ray J's fight?
>> Uh, yes, I did. I just saw him get knocked out. I didn't even know he was having a fight.
>> I thought he was dying.
>> No. Well, he was dying in the ring.
>> No. No. As in, didn't he have Wasn't he dying tracks?
>> Yeah. I know he had um blood coming out of his eyes and that but I don't know how true all of that was.
>> Oh yeah, he spoke about that a couple of weeks back. No.
>> Yeah, like a month ago, two months ago.
Apparently he was on his death bed. He had that blood cancer or something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They were saying he was going to die crazy. He was in bed.
There's no he couldn't get the transfusion or something.
>> And so what? Now he wasn't getting >> Now he's got a ring.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
>> I saw him fight. I couldn't believe it.
>> Um I do want to move off that though because City Splash was on just recently. Oh yeah.
>> And obviously I was away so I didn't get to go to it but so many people went >> and do you know like being a Jamaican. Yeah.
And just seeing like Beris Hammond getting this type of love is just it's just amazing. He's 70 years old. I think he's 71 years old. Yeah. And like >> to me he's like I don't even know how to explain it. He's like my granddad that I've never met that I love and is adorable. I am going to ring my brethren, Treble T from Rampage. You know, it's funny. The internet was killing me on TikTok one time because I referred to somebody as my brethren.
>> So, all these young kids are like, oh, what brethren? Like, what kind of old school thing is that? I'm like, what?
>> Old school?
>> Yeah. I'm like, what? We what? We don't say that no more. I'm getting killed for saying that. Mental. Let me bring trouble to you.
>> That's literally part of my vocabulary.
Get some old man.
>> Treble T.
>> Have you got two minutes?
>> Yeah.
>> You were live on the HC podcast. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> You was at City Splash.
>> I was.
>> I'm showing Beris Hammond the highest level of love and admiration. Yeah. Oh my word.
>> I wasn't I wasn't there. I was in Manchester.
>> Yeah.
>> So I just want to I know cuz I know you was you had you you was um controlling one of the stages down there, right? Or you played down there, right?
>> Yeah, we host a Rampage stage there.
Yeah.
>> Did you get did you get to see any of the performances?
>> Um I I literally I as our stage was closing, I walked uh across and I stood right at the back cuz the main arena bowl was packed. Like everybody went to see Barry and care what they were doing.
But yeah, I stood at the back and I saw him. He was about an inch high so but I saw him on the screens so I could I can put in my diary I've seen Baris.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Can you paint the picture for me a little bit like what was how was it like what was it? What was the scenes like down there?
>> So by the time I got down there it was uh sunset so it's starting to get dark.
Just a dark roasting hot my friend. That was the hottest day um ever. Like hottest day ever. I think apparently we were one degree warmer than Jamaica.
>> Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's funny. Sorry to interrupt you.
Yeah. I saw a clip of someone talking to Baris. Yeah. I think it was at the airport >> and they said, "Yo, yeah." He said, "Um, yeah, tomorrow or whatever is going to be like one of the hottest days in the country or whatever." Then he looked at him and he said, "I saw them there."
It's like as if to say, "What is this?
What you >> like? That's normal for me."
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Normal for me. This is normal. The service is resumed.
>> Yeah.
>> So, yeah, if you're I'm setting the picture. So, we're at the very top uh of the festival site on Rockwell Park. So, at the top of the hill, so we walk down uh and the main stage is at the bottom of the bowl. So literally I would say >> I we're about half a kilometer from the front of the stage. That's how far Beris was. But you could see him. He's got his white little hat. He's got his white suit on.
>> And obviously the light show and all of that looked amazing from the back.
That's the kind of that's the spectacle that you appreciate when you're not right at the front. The light show looks sick from the back. But obviously they got the big massive 100 foot screens so you can see them on the screens as well and stood there and watch them. I think I think um we're actually talking to someone and you know like Rockaway just starts in the background and everyone's like oh my days big ch like >> yeah Ferris is alleged love him >> like he is a stone cold legend in the bro it's just like imagine yeah like I'm looking at these clips and stuff and I'm saying this man is 70 years old yeah and like this type of love and admiration that he gets is it's just so fitting and perfect. I think there was a there was a clip that I saw >> where he said um he said something like everyone started cheering and that and then he just said this is beautiful. He said um this this type of love is you can't ask for any more than that. He goes any artist any type of performer is like it doesn't get any bigger than this. You know what I mean?
>> Right.
Um, yeah, that I mean that's what everyone had been talking about before the event. I kind of felt sorry for a few of the acts cuz I really wanted to see Elephant Man. I haven't seen him in ages and he's super high energy. But just the presence of Beris, I I had I had uncles and aunties and all sorts ringing me for tickets like on my my phone the week before >> was crazy, Chucky. Like insane. Um, but yeah, Beris is like he's a living legend. So we we definitely need to give him his flowers right now to make sure their man know we love and respect them that much.
>> My mom said to me, I remember years ago um I was going to play at some christening. Yeah. And I was saying to my mom, I don't know I don't really know what I should play. Like I don't really know what I'm going to do. And I always remember her saying just play some Baris.
>> She said just play some Baris. You can't go wrong with Baris.
>> You can't go wrong with Baris. Just go through the catalog and listen to some tunes and you'll recognize some.
>> Yeah, literally. Yeah, literally.
Literally, literally.
>> Well, listen, Treble, big up. Um, I know the the One Extra Team on that was down there as well.
>> Yeah, I saw Day recording some stuff. He was floating about somewhere. We were busy on as you can tell from my voice.
My voice is still gravelless tracking.
>> Yeah, >> I hear it. Big up yourself each and every time, my bro. I'll see you soon.
My >> respect. Yeah. No doubt.
>> Treble T from the mighty Rampage sound.
If you go Carnival, you know, everyone goes to Rampage. You know what I'm saying? Um, the very last thing before we leave. Yeah. Crash.
>> Did you watch it?
>> I did watch it. Documentary on Netflix.
>> Let's go.
>> Do you want to tee it up?
>> Nah, you tea.
>> Oh, what area were they from again? I can't remember.
>> I need a bit inside. I have not. Uh some uh >> I'll just interject when I miss something out.
>> All right.
>> So, basically um the documentary is about essentially a couple in a relationship. They're a young couple.
How old was the go? How would they How old were they at the time? About 17.
>> Yeah.
>> 16 17. I think they'd been together for a couple of years though. From when they were 14.
>> Yeah. They were young.
>> They were young when they met each other.
>> Three year age gap.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um they got to the point where they were basically living together. Yeah. And uh this documentary is on Netflix by the way.
>> Is it a real documentary or is it like a drama dramatization of what happened?
>> It's a dock.
>> It's a dock.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> Yeah. And so anyway, the main thing is she has left a party or a function with her partner and her partner's friend and she smashed the car into a brick wall.
Yeah.
She survived. Her partner died and the guy the friend died as well. Yeah. So they were trying to get to the bottom of like what happened here? like what's going on here? Um, some were saying that obviously, well, she's being charged for murder. Yeah.
Oh, >> yeah. She's being charged for murder.
>> She's she's in prison at the moment. No, >> no, no.
>> No. So, what they did was like they went through a lot of things. One thing that I thought was mad interesting. Yeah. Is the black box in the car.
>> Yeah.
>> I didn't even know that there was a black box in those type of cars.
>> Oh, I know.
>> So, there's a black box in a car. They was able to work out. Yeah. that she was driving a 100 over 100 miles an hour without breaking.
She just slammed into the thing. And also there's like a little curves in the road, isn't there? Yeah. So, you need to be able to >> like steer the car properly in order to to do that. Now, her argument is she would never do that, of course, >> cuz she wouldn't do that. And also, um, her friends are basically confused at that because they're saying for her to do that, it would mean that she'd be willing to kill herself. Yeah. Cuz you're not going to do that and survive.
>> And they're saying that she had had loads of plans to do things quite recently. So, it was just really odd.
Now, one thing that they were able to do was look at dig deep into the relation.
Actually, before I even do that, I thought her parents was odd.
>> Sorry. Sorry.
>> You thought her parents were what?
>> Odd.
>> I thought it was odd.
>> Yeah, agreed.
>> I thought her parents was really really odd.
>> Yeah, >> they they give it like entitled.
>> Yeah, incredibly entitled.
>> Yeah, it was weird. It was so like the way they would move and I get it. Defend your daughter to kingdom come type stuff, but like you could tell there was no consequences in that house.
>> Yeah. None.
>> She may have just thought she would survive then if she's grown up around that.
>> Like none. No. like deeper you know you see like if you do something wrong in your head you're like something bad like there is that that process isn't happening in our head >> they did take drugs >> beforehand >> no so that was like kind of their thing so they smoke through edibles >> they smoked a lot of a lot of >> do edibles and stuff like that yeah >> so but they were saying that they drug tested her and there was nothing like that in her system >> what you looking up there >> no I'm just reading some stuff but go keep going Um, yeah. It went to trial and essentially she got found guilty of murder. She's in jail now. What did she get? Did she get life without the possibility of parole?
>> No. Uh, 15 years a piece.
>> Oh, yeah. 15 years. 50 50 to 30 for each.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, a minimum of 15, maximum 30, >> something like that. Yeah.
>> Of each third person.
>> Each person at that time.
>> So, she could do 60 years or she could do 30 years. Yeah, >> she's going to either way she's going to be in jail for a really long time.
>> Um, >> look, I I can't say that I watched a documentary and came away and thought I don't know how she did this.
>> Yeah.
>> Like I was trying to find things cuz I'm thinking to myself like why would somebody do that? And like >> yeah, they had arguments in it. They were finding these voice notes of her saying open the [ __ ] door. I'm coming in. Open the door. Whatever. But there's a difference between like doing that and then jumping in a car and smashing it in something. Could she have been in a state of psychosis?
Potentially.
>> Apparently, she also has a condition where she blacks out.
>> Yes, they made a big deal out of that.
But here's my thing.
>> Blacking out doesn't usually mean I'm going to slam my foot on the thing.
>> Right?
>> Do you know what I'm saying? Blacking out usually usually not all the time.
Not all the time, but usually means uh you know what I'm saying? And then yeah, you're right. It's like the car might just >> go into a thing and just drop off somewhere or whatnot. It doesn't your body doesn't always stiffen up to the point where your foot's down on the clock. Cuz maybe that argument would be if she blacked out and her body stiffened up. Yeah. Then maybe she would have accelerated and break at the same time.
>> Right.
>> You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. So these were the things that I was thinking about too. I was like, "Ah, maybe the edible kicked in again."
>> Yeah.
>> Just for a quick minute. Or you know what? Sometimes Yeah.
Some people do things not realizing the magnitude of what they're actually doing. I know it sounds crazy. Yeah. But she could have just said, "You know what? They could have had an argument and she could have just said, "Yeah, is that what you think? All right, then."
And then but like she just did it.
>> So what's really interesting about So spoiler alert. So what's really interesting about this is documentaries is how how bad the evidence was. I think there wasn't enough to convict her >> for murder.
>> Yeah. There wasn't enough. So first and foremost, right, this this state I don't know what state it is, but this state allows you to choose whether you want a jury >> Yeah.
>> or you want a judge.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Right. Oh, what what do you think she should have done?
>> Jewelry.
>> Yeah, I thought that 100% jewelry. She chose judge.
>> She got the worst lawyers in the world, >> right? She chose judge. So, first and foremost, I'm looking at that. I'm like, "All right, cool." The fact that you've chose judge, >> uh, do you know what?
>> Go on.
>> No, I got to let you land your point.
>> No, no, no. I'm just I'm just saying stuff. Go on. Say what you're going to say.
>> The reason why I do think it can be really good to get a judge. Yeah. Is there was a case Oh, I can't remember the case I was following.
Yeah. This judge was so good, bro. Like he was so good that it made the trial even bigger because he was implementing the law. You know, it's like you're learning a lot in this case.
>> So, there's like certain times where the defense might say something and he would say, "You can't say that. Like, you can't use that. You can you can if you were to say it was this then you could do that but you can't say it like that and you can't he was just the way that he was doing it was so good. Yeah. And it could have been seen as though cuz even though this person was [ __ ] guilt you knew this person was guilty but it made you realize wow like it's quite difficult sometimes to prove somebody guilty because there's so many things that you can't actually say >> cuz it has to be facts based. Yeah. So, in the right case, a a judge can really take the emotion out.
>> Yeah.
>> And say that this evidence isn't I I think so. I think they did it.
>> Yeah.
>> But your your evidence is not stone cold in this. So, no. I think it just depends on the judge >> 100%. Which is why like obviously in I think that's probably what the defense chose because of what you've just said.
Because if you if you do the jewelry, even though you're supposed to go with facts, the reality is you can get people with emotion.
>> Yeah. And and that being said, I can see why they chose judge. But this judge wasn't that.
>> Nah, she wasn't that.
>> She had a she had an opinion.
>> She had an opinion. She had an opinion.
>> This had national and international ramifications. Like there was a lot of pressure. You could see the way she was talking like even like like she was like when there was a bit at the end when the mom came up and was started talking about her daughter and she's like what about the other kids?
>> I've never seen that before before about >> Yeah. Like but I'm like no but hold on like can you do you understand like of course what about the other kids but that's her you she's obviously going to have an emotional like she's going to say some stuff that's going to try and defend her you.
>> Yes. Yes. So yeah, cuz I think when she went up there and she was talking about her child, I think it came off odd because >> it was >> if I remember rightly, yeah, she didn't sort of lead with the this is really un first and foremost. I'm sorry for the family. Yeah.
>> You know, cuz everyone loves that bit.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I'm sorry for the family. I can only imagine what they're going through.
It must be really dark for them and it must be X Y and Z for the for them and X Y and Z. And then you go into your my thing. Yeah. Do you get what I'm saying?
But I don't think she did that. She just went straight into her thing.
>> Straight into her thing.
>> But I've never seen a judge >> interrupt like that.
>> I've only ever seen a judge interrupt when, let's say, for example, a person is being too um they're being too aggressive with swearing or if there's noise in a courtroom.
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> cuz remember they always say, "Listen, if you can't if you feel like you can't hold your emotions, you're going to need to leave." But other than that, like it was kind of interesting watching the judge sort of interject and be like, "So, >> and you're essentially saying that your child is more important than theirs."
>> That's when you know she's going to [ __ ] jail for >> 100%. 100. It was It was It was incred cuz the evidence that they provided was circumstantial at best. It was evidence like what what the judge took in was like it was this much evidence. It was like 25% evidence and like 75% story. Like it wasn't true. It wasn't like all evidence. So for example, the guy's gone cool. Here the the the acceleration input is 100%. There's no attempt at breaking.
That must mean that she hit the accelerator pedal with full knowledge.
>> Well, no. No. There's more.
>> Go on.
>> Because there was no drugs in her system.
>> There was no mushrooms in her system.
>> There was no mushroom. Well, they said there was no alcohol in her system if they tested her for all of that. So, they're saying that like there was no nothing.
>> There was THC.
>> Oh, okay.
>> There was just no hallucinogenic mushrooms and no alcohol.
>> Okay.
>> But there was weed, >> right?
>> THC. They found THC.
>> So, yeah. So, but they're adding that onto the fact that because she didn't have any of that >> Yeah.
>> and she went 100 miles an hour with no break, >> she knew what she was she knew what she was doing, >> right? But then it's like it's like for every for everything that they said, there was a rebuttal. And like the rebuttal wasn't great, but that also wasn't great. It's almost as if they should cancel each other out.
>> So like the only evidence you have left is just this fact, which you can't really make a judgment off anyway. Do you know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. Well, it it it looked as though she was It's weird, isn't it? Cuz it looked like she was trying to kill all of them.
It's just trying to prove. And the thing is, yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know if she was doing that with the actual intent to really want to do that.
>> But you can't prove that either because sometimes some people have a moment of madness where they want to do something mad, but actually like >> when you when you actually think of the the real outcome of what's going to happen, you wouldn't really do that.
>> Okay. Basic let's go from >> you can't use that in court >> right and if we go from the facts yeah her defense is I don't remember what happened period that's yeah and their evidence is this is what certain things show which is and leading us to this conclusion it's you haven't proved beyond a reasonable doubt irregardless >> I I I agree with you still >> you haven't >> and the judge got she got she got cooked They spun her. They spun her and she went guilty. And apparently afterwards, did you see? Um >> I think she's going to get the appeal though.
>> Yeah. So, they're going down the appeal route. So, one of the one of the um one of the main things was that um the mom of this the guy of the of the boyfriend, she had provided evidence um that he her son had one day in the past few weeks had called her or had messaged her to say or called her. No, he called her and said, "Um, I need you to come and get me. She's trying to kill me. She's trying to run this car off the road.
>> What?
>> Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.
>> So, apparently, this would have been a a a triggering piece of like a a big key piece of evidence that she's already threatened >> to kill him.
>> And her mom got a witness, which was another guy who to come who had who was overhearing this and had to come >> and try and get him. So, he's driven out of his house to come find him on the freeway. What transpires is that there's the actual evidence is that he's threatened >> Yeah.
>> to pull So her so her evidence is is verbal and first like somebody saying that they seen this >> and their evidence is that it's literally written >> like he's trying to kill me.
>> He keeps on the steering wheel.
>> So here's the thing that's why I think she did that.
>> Yeah.
>> Because someone was trying to let's just say he was trying to do it that day.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Cuz I agree. I I believe that part.
>> Yeah.
I think this day she was the one who said, "What is that? What is that? How you're talking to me? This you think you think I'm a you think I'm a posy?"
>> Yeah.
>> All right. I'll do it then.
>> Yeah.
>> And then she's done it.
>> Do you get what I'm saying? Because the idea was already there. Maybe the idea wasn't originally her idea, but he was clearly ready to do it.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you get what I'm saying? So then the next day now they've had some type of argument. She said, "What? You think that you okay? You think you're going to do that today? All right, cool. I'm doing it then. How about that?
>> But it's still not enough.
>> It's not enough. Do you want Do you want another piece of evidence? Was another piece of >> on that one.
>> No, no, one more. Last piece. Last piece. One piece of evidence was um after they they had passed away. Uh I don't know when this was this might have been like July or June or something.
When it came to October Halloween, they dressed up as skeletons. her and her brethrens dressed up as skeletons which a lot of so they took that off social media and used it as like she's being super insensitive. She knew what she was doing.
>> I don't think you should be able to use that in court.
>> But do you know what she was doing? She was she said that that's how what artist is it that dressed up like that?
>> An artist?
>> Little something.
>> Oh yeah. There was an artist that that does that. Yeah.
>> A rapper.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> And apparently that was her boyfriend's favorite artist. So that's why they dressed up like that. But the social they don't care in it. They just used the social media.
>> Either way, sensitivity. Yeah. Either way, I don't Either way, I don't think that that should have even have been used.
>> That's my point. It's all circumstantial at best. They did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
>> It's a mess.
>> Anyways, >> um, you got you got a song lined up for us.
>> Oh, >> you got >> I do. We'll end on this.
>> It's Garage. It's a garage. Um, >> sun's out, garage is out.
>> Oh, we need to We should record outside now, by the way.
Everything's >> Stormy's got a new tune with Odal.
>> In the morning.
>> In the morning in the morning.
>> It's in the morning.
>> Yeah, she was That's what she was saying. It's a Gary song.
>> Yeah, it's a funky songing.
>> Yeah, man. Big and serious.
>> Big them up, man. And just for context, it is this song.
This is the original.
>> I like that. Can I say as well, I want to see more artists from the UK sampling like British songs.
>> Do you know what I'm saying? Like moments. Like I'd like to see more rappers or artists. Like there's a whole bunch of funky songs. Go and sample some of them. Drake did it for [ __ ] sake.
>> Yeah, for real.
>> You know what I mean? Anyway, thanks for listening everyone. Yeah, love and respect in all aspect.
>> I think we should make playlists for each other next week.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> You've got Chica.
>> Well, no. You go down. You go down there. I'm a piano.
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