Commander Tier List | Starcraft II: Wheel of Stupid - Miner Evacuation

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[00:00:00]What's up, StarCraft fans? Today we're doing the tier list for Wheel of Stupid on minor evac Brian Leutation.

[00:00:06]>> Minor evac is the map where we have to fight our way to the evac ships and defend them from the infested as they launch. We have to successfully defend five ships to win. On brutal difficulty, we lose the game if we lose more than one ship. Random mutators cycle in for over 4 minutes and then cycle out for a new one. There are three active at a time and a mutator switches every 90 seconds.

[00:00:34]>> All right, so we have Joanie at Edwin home in the colors today. How are you guys?

[00:00:40]>> I'm living the dream.

[00:00:43]I'm really sick.

[00:00:44]>> Oh my god. Don't even start. Don't let me don't even let me start.

[00:00:49]Edun home, how do we rank the commanders this week? If I mean Chaos Studios obviously it is it is the Mets platter of mutators. So it is literally like how mutator proof is your commander in general and then how well do they deal with minor evac. It's as simple as that.

[00:01:08]>> Okay. What do you think?

[00:01:10]>> How good you are against basically every mutator in the game but in the context of minor evac specifically. So yeah.

[00:01:18]>> All right. That seems fine. Let's begin.

[00:01:22]Abther, why do we have him?

[00:01:23]>> Abar is generally fairly mutator resistant and he has a massive advantage on this map that he's got vipers with blinding cloud who can get a a huge amount of work done when sat in the dead ground behind ships. Basically dodging any environmental mutators that come up and just preventing stuff from being able to attack. With that being said, he has potential for I was going to say very slow start, a kind of like no start at all. If certain mutators are rolled, they're going to stop him from farming biomass early on. So, he's he's good, but he's not perfect. I had him in a tier.

[00:01:58]>> What do you think, Eman?

[00:01:59]>> Yeah, he's pretty good overall, but there you any mutators that mess with your farming will, as per usual, make things a little more difficult. He does have the other advantage of the Viper Abduct cheese on the ships.

[00:02:12]>> If you use that, then it's completely free. If you're wanting to play more in legitimate, then yeah, he's probably like A tier. But, uh, I would say S because of the ship cheese.

[00:02:19]>> What do you think about the ship cheese, Joanie?

[00:02:21]>> I mean, I the ship cheese is S tier, but it seems slightly I mean, >> it's like double.

[00:02:27]>> We either put him Yeah, we either put him in in sort of triple S tier as just free or or we don't. So I I'm going to fight for him to stay in A tier just because I I I I'm cheese resistant this week.

[00:02:38]>> Honorable Joanie. All right. If it's not unanimous, it's not S. So that's where Abar goes. Prestige wise, maybe no prestige or second prestige still. I >> I think probably too. I think you're going to want to be deploying swarm hosts and and therefore two just obviously powers them, but also gives them that extra mobility that can be pretty useful if you get environmentals.

[00:02:57]>> All right, moving on. Allarak, where do we have them? Allarak is significantly less strong against a wide variety of mutators, I would say, but he does still have some good punching power. Things like Black Death, though, are going to do you in. So, there are some major problems he could have. In general, though, I think he'll be fine. So, I have him in C tier.

[00:03:18]>> What do you think about Ctier, Joanie?

[00:03:19]>> I think Cier is quite low. Like, allaract is quite good on this map. You know, he can basically defend a shuttle with purely himself, the mother ship, and then like a war prison with overcharge. Made particularly useful when the prison with overcharge can just sit effectively in some dead ground and and not really be prone to being touched at all. He does have some weaknesses.

[00:03:41]Double-edged being a really obvious one, but also you can get some really sort of cruel combinations of mutators on this speed props, you know, like he's not going to do well against killbots, that kind of thing. So yeah, he's he is quite good. I I had I had him in A tier.

[00:03:58]Actually, I can see B tier, but I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as some of the commanders I've got in Ctier.

[00:04:03]>> So there are three things actually, three things here. First is Killbots are not in Chaos Studios. The second thing is, have you considered just No, they're not. They're not. Have you considered just >> No, they're not. Sorry, I was looking at the wrong list.

[00:04:19]Have you considered just waiting out bad combos or full clearing the map?

[00:04:24]>> So yes to both. I think that the difficulty with it like bad combos, yes to an extent. Something like speed props you you've got to address because it is just going to overwhelm you. Like there is no option to wait it out per se. As ET said like Black Death is going to be problematic for him. Like polarity is a problem in and of itself. And and like this map does have a timer on it. So appreciate slightly. Well, this is this is the thing. It's sort of it is slightly reductive on this map to say sorry on this mutator to sort of pick specific mutators that that specific commanders are bad against. But I don't think he's Ctier bad. I'm fine with Btier. The one problem with waiting out the ships is, you know, you aren't always given that option. What if the ship is panicked and then you roll the bad mutator? You know, like so you can wait it out to an extent, but that's not always an option. Yeah, I think B is fine.

[00:05:18]>> All right, B tier. That's where Allar goes. Personally, I want to have an A tier because he's just so good on this map. But anyway, that's not my tier list. It's yours. Moving on. Arc tourist. Where do you have him?

[00:05:28]>> Octurus is also quite good on this map.

[00:05:31]He has bunkers which are decent, and he can drop stuff in behind them to repair.

[00:05:35]He can use ESOs from the natural to provide top cover, etc. as well. So, all in all, he is generally pretty decent. I was sort of struggling to struggling to think of like mutator combinations that were going to really bother him. I don't think there's a massive amount if I'm being completely honest. He can deal actually quite robustly with some of the more tricky ones that can come up like void rifts, etc. So, I I had Arcturus in S tier.

[00:06:03]>> What do you think, Edward Helm?

[00:06:05]>> Yeah, I think he's he's really quite good ESOs. Yeah, middle of the map. What What What's going to cause problems with that? Really? Not even speed necessarily. Yeah, double-edged, I suppose. But again, waiting out the map I, you know, is always an option. And the likelihood of double-edged and then also something that you can't just have bunkers out on the map for is pretty low. So, you can just tell the ESOs to stop shooting for a bit. You can still use contaminated strike as well, right?

[00:06:27]Even with double-edged, I don't think that does. Yeah. So, it will.

[00:06:30]>> It does deal double-edged damage back.

[00:06:32]>> Yes.

[00:06:32]>> Okay. Well, then not that. But still, you've got other top bars. Yeah, I think he's he's pretty good. I I'd go probably S tier.

[00:06:38]>> All right. Both of you said S tier.

[00:06:40]Let's put Arct Turus in S tier. Press D twice. Third one. Got to go third one.

[00:06:44]>> Third or first? You could go first cuz just spamming contaminated strike on the infested is pretty good.

[00:06:50]>> Okay, moving on. Art tannis. What do you have?

[00:06:53]>> Our tannis has some potential issues. A lot of environmental mutators are going to make life a bit harder for him. Your air units are not going to do particularly great here because they are largely single target focused. So sitting in the dead space is not as viable. You still could do it, but you're going to have a harder time.

[00:07:10]Space archons are really good against the infested, but you only have so many of those, so not necessarily extremely viable either. Things like Black Death again are going to be a pain. You can kind of wait out the map depending, but that can be a big pain as well. I'd probably put him in C tier as well.

[00:07:26]>> What do you think, Joy?

[00:07:27]>> I I think less of Art Tannis than ET does. I think this is the perfect combination of a commander who is typically not great against a lot of mutators on a map like it's an infested map and our tannis just struggles on them. I I had him in E tier because I was genuinely genuinely struggling to sort of figure out what he would do, what he brings to the party and like combinations of mutators which don't just [ __ ] him immediately.

[00:07:53]Environmental mutators he's, you know, going to have less of a hard time against I suspect. But yeah, I I just think he is basically on the struggle bus regardless of what happens. So yeah, I I I don't really fancy his chances on I think he's the worst commander this week. Adam and E.

[00:08:11]>> What do you think, Edin Holm?

[00:08:12]>> I guess he could be pretty bad. I don't know. I think I could go D tier. Just doesn't feel like he'd be quite Etier to me.

[00:08:18]>> Well, which hitter combinations would particularly destroy our tannis? Well, there's co there's >> anything co uh anything like blizzard is going to be pretty annoying.

[00:08:30]>> Slim pickings. Not not really. Our task can wait out slim pickings.

[00:08:35]>> Yeah, I think he's probably depending on other mutator combos or slim pickings.

[00:08:39]He'd be fine.

[00:08:39]>> He's fighting against double-edged against double like the polarity. He's got no tanking whatsoever. So if you're all you know >> you have to help you with your ally with polarity >> and archon dudes. Yeah, I'm not. It's got aron dudes, but I'm not, you know, I'm not massively that like that relies on your ally having pretty significant response time.

[00:09:01]>> He's fast with detection, so in case you get we move unseen.

[00:09:04]>> Oh, no.

[00:09:05]>> I guess but like with the whole ally thing, in my experience at least, minor evac is a map where they usually don't have too much trouble getting to the spot cuz you're only focusing on one ship at a time and maybe one attack wave. Yeah, the attack wave might cause some issues. I don't know. I But D is already pretty bad for that.

[00:09:22]pretty bad.

[00:09:23]>> D is pretty bad. So, I'm happy enough with D. Um, >> Artitus goes in D tier. D tier, no prestige because D tier is considered bad. D Hakka, where do you have them?

[00:09:32]>> The Haka is not in Dtier. Haka has a major advantage that if you play P2 and utilize his pack leaders, they are basically mutator resistant by design.

[00:09:41]So, he he really doesn't have any dramas here at all. There is I suppose like the obvious one that always crops up with Dhaka is that if you if you roll missile commands super super early on then you might end up in a bit of bother. But the reality to that is like yeah you might have to you know re rebuild um some structures early game but other than that I I really I I just yeah he doesn't really struggle against anything. I had him in S tier.

[00:10:08]>> What do you think about S tier at the helm? Yeah, I mean things like Black Death and Double Edgedge he doesn't care about cuz he just has pack leaders and pack leaders also really don't care about pretty much anything. So yeah, just S tier.

[00:10:18]>> All right, S tier for the haka prestige twice second one, right?

[00:10:22]>> Yes.

[00:10:23]>> Moving on. Phoenix, where do you have him?

[00:10:25]>> Phoenix is a little tougher. Calalis obviously fantastic on this map in general, but if you get things like double-edged or speed props, maybe handle speed props, but it's a little tougher when you're trying to defend a ship. Uh, slim pickings can be a bit annoying. Certain environmental mutators can be annoying. I think he's still pretty good. I'd probably have him in B tier.

[00:10:46]>> B tier. What do you think, Joan?

[00:10:48]>> Yes, I've got him in B tier as well. And I think exactly like ET said, there are there are combinations that are going to be annoying. They're annoying for everyone. I think one of the things with Phoenix is that I find him as a commander is someone who typically has to plan ahead and prepare a little bit for certain mutators. So, for instance, you look at propagators, you look at I'm double-edged, for example, like there needs to be a bit of a plan in place for when you encounter it. So, I think one of the difficulties with playing Phoenix is that you there is that natural lag in terms of a slight response time, which to be fair is is really the only reason I didn't score him in a tier, cuz I do think overall he's pretty good on this map. So, yeah, I had him in Btier as well.

[00:11:31]>> Okay, Btier for Phoenix. Something like something I like about Phoenix that neither of you mentioned but I don't think moves the needle that much is that Cali can pretty quickly clear the map of buildings. So later on you won't have to worry about stuff like void animators or aberrations from outbreak just walking into your base stuff like that you get from just clearing the map. Poopigators if you full clear the map you won't have to worry about poopigators. Phoenix can do that. Moving on. Han and her do have them. and Horner. They're sort of the opposite of our talents in my mind. Like they are actually not terrible at this map. You know, when you use a decent combination of units sort of hellbats, Helens, Widowmines, Reapers thrown in for a bit of effect if you want to probably P1 coupled with like Magmine drops as and when needed, etc. They play pretty coherently on this map. The difficulty is is that they're not massively mutator resistant and as a result they they can struggle. you know, black death is going to have really significant ramifications when all your carrier gallions pick it up and and and die all of a sudden, etc. There is obviously the option not to make carrier gallons as a result of that, but then you you lose that capability. So, there is a load of stuff that although they do do well on the map, they don't do well against. So, I have them in C tier.

[00:12:50]>> C tier. They can get eminent domain. So, there's that.

[00:12:54]>> Yes, there is also that. No cheese. What do you think, Ethan Helm?

[00:12:58]>> Yeah, the the strike fighters can be helpful with the fire and all that and can help clear the map in theory. And firebats are pretty good. It's it's okay. Vikings are pretty good as long as you're not up against things like Black Death. They're double-edged and the Vikings are going to be great. So, yeah, I think they're fine. I think Ctier is probably fair.

[00:13:15]>> D tier, which is short for, we have no idea where to put them prestige wise.

[00:13:20]First one, >> yes, I think. I think yeah, yes.

[00:13:22]>> All right. Moving on. Carax, where do you have them? Well, I know where to put Carax. He's got space lasers and he's got cannons and he's got observers, so he's got everything you need. So, I'd have him in S tier.

[00:13:34]>> What do you think, Jony?

[00:13:35]>> Yeah, I I think exactly the same. Uh there is there is the argument that a combination of environmental mutators and eminent domain could like really see you off. But I I I think that's you know probably like ET said given that you've got decent space lasers etc. There is obviously always the option to like transition. Say again, sorry.

[00:13:55]>> There's always counterplay.

[00:13:56]>> Oh, I was going to say you could always transition into carriers if you wanted to as well. Like again, they are quite mutated resistant in of themselves and it gives you that bit of additional mobility also. So yeah, I think he's got a decent picnic basket worth of options there. So I I've got him in S tier as well.

[00:14:11]>> Okay, that's a unanimous S tier. Moving on. Oh, wait. Prestige twice third one, right?

[00:14:16]>> Yes.

[00:14:16]>> All right, moving on. Kunan. What do you have? I was trying to work out exactly what play style for Kerigan would work best because as we all know P1 lurkers are great and this is in my opinion not a map where you need sort of grotesque amounts of mobility.

[00:14:32]There is the environmental mutator issue but at the same time you know you've got additional movement on creep etc. Is it going to be a massive problem? Maybe dependent on you know how good you are with your hero unit yourself. The obvious other advantage if you do so is that you've got like increased health regen etc from malignant creep. So you are slightly more resistant to some of the mutators. You also have the ability to then send Krian around the map cleaning you know cleaning up buildings etc. So actually clearing the map quickly as well. So I I did not have time to go through the whole raft of her prestiges figuring out which one was best. But I do think there is potentially quite a strong shout for playing P1 this week with Carrian. Yeah, I I thought she was fine, but not not amazing. There are there are definite holes in her game, so to speak, losing her hero unit as always being the main one. And there are certain mutators which you can roll that will make that pretty easy. So, I I had her in B tier.

[00:15:27]>> B tier. Barrian. What do you think, Edwin Hel?

[00:15:30]>> Yeah, I think P1 has some potential cuz again, another one that could cause problems for her is Black Death, but on this map it won't help your lurkers, but hydrolisks, I believe, fairly survive black death with P1 healing specifically. So mass hydro will there and if you have the lurkers far enough back just a few. I mean it takes like four lurkers really to shred. So you don't have to be risking too much at a time. And then Carrian herself, yeah, she'll die, but she'll revive eventually. And once you have, you know, it only lasts what, a few minutes, so it's not a big deal. Four and a half minutes, right, of black death at worst.

[00:15:59]You could be fine. Uh double-edged could be a bit of an issue. The hydraisks and whatnot will kill themselves as quickly as possible. But again, if you can wait it out as much as possible, it it should be okay. You can lose a ship at the end of the day and that'll buy you quite a bit of time. So, she's probably like the E tier, I'd say.

[00:16:14]>> All right, that's a unanimous B tier.

[00:16:15]Carry gun is Bry gun. Moving on. Oh, wait. Prestige first is viable. I guess I still rather have Omega, but I do get the appeal of you have of having faster shooting lurkers. Moving on. Nova, where do you have them?

[00:16:28]>> Nova's really good. She can sit in the airspace on every single ship she has.

[00:16:33]is if you want to go P3, you can and free clear the map with nova, but realistically, you can probably just sit nova and free clear the map on any prestige while you defend with your units. You have ravens for healing.

[00:16:43]Black death you have to be a little bit careful about, but again, you're sitting behind the ships. You can call down turrets in front of the ships and you can use Nova to kind of tank for that cuz she does not die to black death, I don't think, which is nice. And uh yeah, I think she'll do really quite well. So, I had her in S tier.

[00:16:57]>> Dies to blonde death. What do you think, Joanie? Yeah, I I'm quite good at losing liberators to environmental mutators, so I'm probably not best positioned to >> Very good skill to have.

[00:17:08]>> It's it is it is a skill that I have mastered over the uh over the years. It is not my favorite thing. With that being said, yeah, look, Nova Nova herself is very mutator resistant. I think my my reticence around putting her in S tier was mainly around the fact that because her army is simply so expensive, there is there is a vulnerability there to some of the economic mutators that come in and then if you do start losing stuff, you you you are going to have problems replacing it as well. So I I had her in a tier. I I kind of Yeah, I I wonder what ET thinks about the sort of like problems that I've had with it. And please don't say just play better.

[00:17:51]>> So, here's the thing, right? Like a lot of her units are expensive, but one unit that isn't expensive with P1 is ravens.

[00:17:58]Ravens really are pretty cheap and they are extremely good on this because they can just spam out turrets. So, even if you're only making ravens and nova, I think you probably are completely fine in most situations. And at worst, the resource mutator is going to last what, 4 and 1/2 minutes, right? And ravens are also quite survivable. They can move well. They have healing for each other.

[00:18:17]You have defensive drone. I I don't think you're going to have too many problems even if you could only build those and no liberators. But realistically, you're going to be able to build liberators eventually, especially cuz even if you get slim pickings, you can just start sending SUVs out onto the map a lot of times if you're good at that, which I guess that's a get good, but you know, that's it's an easier get good, I would say, just clicking an SUV around here and there. uh you won't lose out resources and that only lasts 4 and a half minutes. Now, if there's environmental mutators, then obviously you can't be clicking SCBs around the map, but even within your bases, you can still get some resources. So, I think she'll be fine. Like, you can't get slim pickings for the first like four minutes or something, right? Or like four and a half minutes, I think it is, isn't that there's some mutators that you can't get for the first few minutes? Yeah, slim pickings cannot appear in the starting set of three. So, I guess it could happen what, 90 seconds in. Uh but that's really unlikely. But if it did, I don't think it's the end of the world.

[00:19:07]Cuz again, ravens are 100, 200, right?

[00:19:09]They're really not expensive.

[00:19:11]>> Not not pricey. No, I can I can see that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's I'm Yeah. Fairly convinced, actually. Maybe I'm just malleable because I'm sleepy, but uh Okay. Yeah. S S tier. Fine with that.

[00:19:21]>> All right. Both of you are okay with S tier for Nova. Let's put Nova in S tier.

[00:19:25]When When Edan was talking about a cheap heal for Nova, I thought he was going to talk about Nova herself, which I think does pretty fine on minor evac. Nova, just Nova on her own. She's pretty good at shotgunning infested if in my humble opinion. But anyway, >> oh that's >> yeah, in my humble opinion. Moving on.

[00:19:44]Oh, wait. Prestige first one.

[00:19:46]>> Yes.

[00:19:47]>> All right, moving on. Rainer, where do we have him?

[00:19:50]>> I think the fact that he's got sort of, you know, bunkers, tanks, spider mines, etc. He he does have a relatively decent arsenal. He does deal with this map quite well. A lot of the mutators do salt his game a little bit for obvious well in in the manner which which that flavor of mutators will but I I don't think he's shocking. So I I had him in C tier. I do think he's got some survivability here but I don't think it's going to be like an easy easy free time.

[00:20:20]>> What do you think I've been home?

[00:20:21]>> The black death can be a pain if you know just getting to the bunkers but again it's only 4 and 1/2 minutes. It should be fine. You have top bars that are quite effective like the banshees are extremely good against the infested.

[00:20:33]Banshees in general are pretty good on this map because of the uh the line damage that they do, but they are obviously riskier with those things like black death. So I think he's probably probably fine. I think he's like Btier.

[00:20:44]>> Oo, what do you think about Btier joining?

[00:20:46]>> I think that I'm looking at the commanders that we've got in Btier currently and thinking that Raina is probably not as good as any of them.

[00:20:52]>> Yeah. But if you got the worst mutator, right, which I would say we all think is polarity. In most situations, you can be repairing bunkers against polarity for tanking after you've cleared your units, you know, like he does have some pretty good tanking there. I guess that falls apart, you know, if it's Blizzard or something like that. But >> yeah, this was this was sort of where my thinking was is that the difficulty Rain has got is that he does have advantages against some, but his, you know, his yes, he's got static, but it's not as good as the rest as as other people's static, etc. It's kind of I I Yeah, I just I kind of I felt he was I don't want to say clunky to play, but you know. Yeah, I I kind of >> Yeah, I'm fine with the B tier. Yeah, I think that's fine. Btier.

[00:21:33]>> To insert the disclaimer that your mileage is going to vary when you try these things because you might just get really unlucky. So, >> yeah. Btier or Ctier?

[00:21:41]>> I think C is fine for you.

[00:21:43]>> All right. Ctier. Prestige wise. Hey, we're prestige for Rainer. Prestige for Rainer.

[00:21:47]>> Oh, crunky. Yeah.

[00:21:49]>> Not used to it, huh?

[00:21:51]>> No, I I was going to say I also I like originally had him in Dtier and then talked myself out of it so I didn't prepare one for him. But I mean if you're going I mean >> third one >> I was going to say if you're going bunkers and tanks probably play third one and and just get you get more cool downs anyway that way. So so just yeah I I tend to default to third one for Raina anyway. So but I you know can also see that P 0 would be pretty viable. Watch out for slim pickings because once that applies it permanently reduces the mineral patches and Rainer will mine out. So all your mules will just kind of make you mine out faster. Beat >> so go P1.

[00:22:30]>> Yeah, >> no mules. I mean that technically is an argument for prestige. Definitely watch out for coing on stat boy. Where do I have him?

[00:22:38]>> Is it me?

[00:22:39]>> Yeah. Yeah. Step is uh incredibly good.

[00:22:43]He's got stat zones. He's got Gary and uh that would be enough to be S tier, but he also has all of his units. So yeah, he's like very much S tier.

[00:22:50]>> What do you think, uh Joanie?

[00:22:52]>> Yes, I I I think exactly the same actually. He he really is very very good indeed. I'm sort of trying to think if there's anything more to say really. And I don't think there is even even some of the more problematic ones like propagators, you know, despite the fact this isn't I if you roll propagators early and you're having to defend somewhere annoying under the right circum under the wrong circumstances, he he will struggle because this isn't a linear map. Yeah, just just clear it really quickly. I I Yeah, he's he's very strong as Esther.

[00:23:20]>> All right, prestige wise second one.

[00:23:22]>> Yes.

[00:23:23]>> All right, moving on. Stoov, where do we have him?

[00:23:26]>> I wasn't sure where to put Stukov, so I put him in C.

[00:23:29]Stukov is one of those commanders that like your prestige choice will weaken you against certain mutators. And although the the obvious choice on any of these maps is to play P3 actually, and I I'm well aware, CTG, that you are like the unluckiest man alive when it comes to actually rolling mutated combinations on this. I'm not. I tend to get pretty lucky with my mutator combinations. So, I tend to roll environmental mutators, which are going to be really problematic for Ste P3, for example. So, yeah, I I genuinely wasn't sure where to put him because although he is quite mutator resistant against certain mutators, he like there are going to be other ones which just cause instant destruction. You know, even propagators until you get up and running are going to be a massive issue for him as always. Yeah, I I genuinely wasn't sure. So, I'll stop wittering and put him in Ctier.

[00:24:21]>> The the stream page is like completely messed up by the way now.

[00:24:24]>> Oh, better than Ctier? I'm trying to think like obviously I don't think P3 because you know you get Blizzard, you get any environmental really and your units to the ships is going to be tough.

[00:24:34]But it's like what causes issues for P1.

[00:24:37]Double edge should be mostly fine cuz you can rely on the siege tanks. Black Death isn't great, but there's that's one, right? That's pretty bad. Slim picking should be fine because you can use diamond backs to pick up stuff.

[00:24:50]Brood queens are really really good against the infestals and microtransactions and things like that.

[00:24:55]I don't know. I think he's I think he's probably on par with the B tiers in my mind at least.

[00:24:59]>> I had to be fair. I had in my head I had like picked holes in P3 to such an extent that I think I probably underrated P1 for this map and slightly overlooked it. So yeah, I can I can see why P1 would be the preference over P3 here. So I'm I'm perfectly happy with that in B2.

[00:25:16]>> Oh, you can still, right? So like even if it's Black Death or something, you have tanks behind bunkers at the ships.

[00:25:23]Bunkers can move around and they heal super fast. Just make sure they don't get black death. But I think Do they outheal Black Death with their healing upgrade or does it not kick in? I >> If they are if they are rooted, they don't take damage.

[00:25:35]>> Okay.

[00:25:35]>> They don't get co.

[00:25:36]>> Yeah, I think he's with that.

[00:25:38]>> Sorry. What tier?

[00:25:39]>> B >> B tier. What do you think about B tier, Joanie? Yeah, I'm I'm happy with that. I had Yeah, I had sort of overlooked P1 in my head in favor of picking holes in P3, which is my favorite occupation on these lists as you know. So, um yeah, I'm I'm happy to put him in B tier.

[00:25:54]>> All right, Btier for Stukov prestige wise first one.

[00:25:58]>> Yes, >> moving on. Swan, where do you have him?

[00:26:00]>> Juan is quite good because he has turrets. He has wraiths which are pretty uh mobile for dodging environmentals if you need it. He has the P1 laser drill for just, you know, soloing the ships basically with some factories that really don't care about black death or anything else really. He has free repair for said laser beam if you have double-edged. Uh yeah, I think he's I think he's really good. I I think he's probably probably S tier as well.

[00:26:25]>> What do you think, Johnny? Yes, I was I was trying to think of reasons why Swan shouldn't be an S tier because it just looks like I've got lots of commanders in S tier for a for a mutator which is ultimately down to luck, but he he really is pretty good actually and exactly as ET said, I think you want to play P1. I think you've got a great mix of static as and when you need it, of you know that that is cheap enough that will still allow you to build up a decent army of wraiths at home and utilize them as and when you need to. So I I yeah I couldn't couldn't really find a huge amount wrong with him really. Uh I had him in S tier as well.

[00:26:59]>> All right, Swan S tier. Moving. Oh, prestige twice. Second or first?

[00:27:04]>> I think first on this. I think you really want the splash on the laser drill.

[00:27:08]>> All right, moving on. Hikus, where do we have him?

[00:27:12]>> Tyus is another one where I was I was trying sort of theory craft scenarios in which it all falls over. The obvious one from my point of view with Tykus is double-edged. Even even Sirius's turrets go down quite quickly under double-edged. I there is the argument here, I think, to play P3 and basically deploy the Odin and have some SUVs in reserve to to repair it basically. Uh but other than that, I I really don't think you're going to have too many dramas. There is also the addition here, I think, where in reality on this map, you you don't need to use Big Red Button at all. I like re, you know, will regularly play this map on P2 and not use big red button cuz you there is not a situation in which you need it. So I I think probably play P3 and I think probably that makes him S tier in my book.

[00:27:59]>> What do you think about S tier right now?

[00:28:01]>> Yeah, I think it's quite good. I think the the P3 thing I would probably do as well cuz again you're not it's not like a lot of fronts to worry about on this map. And then you have some answers to double-edged and black death a little bit better as well with rattlesnakes healing. I can't remember. I mean, obviously Blaze in general like is incredible on this map though, you know.

[00:28:22]Yeah, it's just really good. So, I had him in S tier.

[00:28:25]>> All right, prestige wise third one.

[00:28:26]>> Yes.

[00:28:27]>> All right, moving on. Vorazoon, what do we have him?

[00:28:30]>> Vorzun is not my favorite commander of all time for this week for sure. She's going to have struggles with a lot of different combinations. The map itself she's pretty darn good against cuz invisible men against infested is just not too bad. You have the disruption web as well to kind of help cover with that.

[00:28:47]So I think she'll be fine. There are some mutators though like black death obviously Borun hates. So not great. A lot of environmental mutators are going to make your life a lot harder on this map as well. So I think she's probably either B or C tier. I'm I'm good with either one.

[00:29:03]>> What do you think, Joy?

[00:29:04]>> I had her in C tier. And the more I look at it, the more I wonder whether I ought to have put her in D tier. Actually, I think she's she's not catastrophically terrible against a lot of mutators, but like ET said, there are a few which will give her like a terrible day. And that sort of I know that at the start we said that we're looking for commanders that are sort of generally mutated resilient.

[00:29:30]I on sort of the reverse of that coin, I think Vorazizun is one of those commanders that some of these mutators will simply ruin her day completely.

[00:29:39]Yeah. And you know, Black Death, Double-edged, props, all the all the standard stuff really, in addition to the fact that she's not going to have a great time probably with the likes of Void Rifts, etc. Certainly if you roll them in the early game. Yeah, I'm sort of inclined to put her somewhere between C and D tier. Although, the more I think about it, the more I think she ought to be in D tier. So, I'm I'm happy with C, but it'll be near the bottom of it in like I I think.

[00:30:02]>> Okay, both of you agree with Ctier.

[00:30:04]Let's put Vorazun in Ctier. I'm just curious, Jody. What What is your plan as Voriz on this mutation?

[00:30:09]>> Well, I mean, just to hide my head in the sand and panic like, you know, F10 Q and pick another commander. I like to be honest with you, I actually this is Voriz is one of the commanders that I really didn't have a good plan for. Pors obviously very very useful for disruption web but you then you still have to deal with stuff and her obvious sort of you know route one response to everything is is sort of trying to mallet it with DTS on the ground whilst dealing you know with it with Corsair's from the sky. And I'm I'm not sure if I'm not sure if my plans would necessarily change but you just have to be so careful with her on on so many of these. See, the only thing I really have to do is to put a dark pylon where the ship is and then ring it with cyber course and then snipe overseers. That's it. Oh, and banshees. Snipe overseers and banshees. That's it.

[00:31:00]>> So I Yes, but this is going back to this is my this is my week of anti- cheese and I count dark pylon walls as cheese >> really because that's kind of really you consider that.

[00:31:11]>> No, I'm I'm sort of I'm only I'm I'm being slightly facitious. I I do completely agree that that is basically the approach you need to take on this one with her. Um but I I don't know I there's yeah I sort of there is there is something deep inside me that wants to play the game rather than >> that is playing it's that is the game.

[00:31:29]It's not abusing it's not abusing an un unpredicted and or unforeseen mechanic.

[00:31:36]It's literally what she does. It's cloak.

[00:31:39]>> Yeah. I I do. No, I I look I I do fully appreciate that, which is why I'm I'm not sort of pushing back any harder, but uh >> I don't know. I don't like it.

[00:31:49]>> That's understandable. We can under I don't like it is much more understandable than I think it's she is therefore therefore should not count.

[00:31:56]Anyway, as long as you're both okay with Ctier, that's where she goes. Moving on.

[00:32:02]Zagara, what do we have him?

[00:32:03]>> Zagura is another one who is quite interesting. I think that on paper she ought to be quite bad, but I think she's only quite bad against certain mutators.

[00:32:16]Like she I I personally don't have too much of a problem with her on this map.

[00:32:20]You can put bile launchers in the natural and they can reach almost anywhere, particularly if you pick which ships you launch. And then, you know, she's got bananes that can deal with some decent stuff. If you're using P3, she's got plenty of mobility around the map. you've got plenty of agility as a commander to switch if you want to between a lighter combination of like, you know, the standard sort of Lingbane corrupt uh Lingbane scourge or or a heavier combination of, you know, aberrations and corruptors. I don't know really why you'd necessarily need corrupts on this map, but heyo. And then her, you know, her commander unit itself is pretty good. She's she's not massively mutator resistant and there are certainly some that are going to give her problems, but at the same time free disposable units does do quite a lot of leg work in quite a lot of situations. So, she's going to struggle with some of the economic ones, particularly if you are, you know, happen to be switching um transitioning combo combinations, etc. But I I sort of I didn't feel that she was as awful as she ought to be on this.

[00:33:21]>> What do you think >> having said that she's not brilliant? So I I had her in somewhere between B and C tier.

[00:33:26]>> What do you think, Edin Holmes?

[00:33:28]>> Uh yeah, I think you know, Zigara, in my experience, does not like this map much in the first place. So you combine that with any amount of mutators and you can start to really not like the map. So she's not horrible. I think I don't know. I feel like I' I'd like to be Art Tannis about as much as I'd like to be Zagara here. I would probably I'd probably say Dtier, but I'm fine with C, I suppose.

[00:33:49]>> All right, both of you are okay with Ctier. That's where Zagara goes.

[00:33:53]Prestige- wise, what do you think?

[00:33:55]>> Uh, I three, I think.

[00:33:56]>> Third one.

[00:33:57]>> Yeah, >> three probably.

[00:33:58]>> All right. Zeratul, what do you have them?

[00:34:01]>> Not in not in C tier. Uh, he's got cannons >> which you can build at home.

[00:34:06]>> Yeah. Yeah. Not not in C tier. F tier, baby.

[00:34:09]>> F tier.

[00:34:09]>> Um, >> no, he's got cannons which you build at home and then just get them to do whatever you like.

[00:34:15]>> I can make them make breakfast.

[00:34:16]>> I They will. They're that good. They really They They'll They'll bring it to you in bed as well.

[00:34:20]>> Do you know that CTG stands for cannons?

[00:34:22]They're good, >> Alan. They're great.

[00:34:27]>> They're great.

[00:34:28]>> Yeah, he's he's S tier.

[00:34:30]>> All right. What do you think, Ephome?

[00:34:32]>> Yeah, F tier is, you know, the the tier for commanders that actively hurt your ally. And you'll be actively hurting your ally in that you're going to be making them feel really bad about themselves because they won't be able to help you at all. So, I think that makes him more of an S. But yes, I I think yeah, he's he's S. Cannons are incredible. All right, there we go. So, do we have a double S?

[00:34:54]>> Well, it depends if you want to be cheesy about it, doesn't it? Um, no. No, I don't think so.

[00:35:00]>> Top of a top of S.

[00:35:01]>> I I think Zeratol is probably best this week >> then.

[00:35:05]>> Daka is always going to be a strong shout against, you know, anything that involves like random mutators basically.

[00:35:11]>> Oh, yeah. It's true.

[00:35:12]>> I think probably better though. Just space lasers literally don't care about a single mutator, right? M and then you have cannons, but you could probably just feed the whole map with space lasers. Basically, >> depending on how long you can sustain the ship with a cool down on your space lasers, you know, >> that's true. Again, you don't have you basically will never have to do that.

[00:35:31]You should be able to build cannons even with most environmentals. Like, can you get the nuclear annihilation? You can right with this week.

[00:35:37]>> Going. Yeah. Yeah. Go. Yeah, >> that's like the only mut environmental that's actually going to kill your cannons in any significant way. So every other one like blizzard repair beam the lava surges lava burst. As long as you space the cannons out, you're not going to lose too many of them. You know, twister, who cares? Like I don't know.

[00:35:56]It's like none of the none of the environmentals are going to matter much except the >> orbital strike and purifier beam are both pretty annoying.

[00:36:04]>> They're annoying. Yeah. I don't know. Be not a thing.

[00:36:08]>> Yeah, you can justify him. I I think he's >> skill check.

[00:36:12]>> I think he's pretty good, I guess. Um, yeah. See, like, but I feel like I mean, Daka is fine. I think they're both about the same. So, I'm fine with having >> Daka. They're both pretty pretty solid, really. And I probably put Steman off to Carass, I think.

[00:36:24]>> Yeah, that's fine by me. And then probably Minkx cuz MX gets literally like is double-edged on the map. No, it's free, right? So, or clarity, I guess.

[00:36:34]>> Yeah. No, happy with that. And then I I I personally I would put Swan above, excuse me, above Nova. But that as as we've discussed, that is a personal preference.

[00:36:41]>> Swan is indeed blonder than Nova. Moving on. Top of A tier.

[00:36:44]>> Oh, hang on a minute. Tykus. Did we put Tykus in S tier?

[00:36:47]>> Oh, sorry.

[00:36:47]>> We did.

[00:36:48]>> We did. We did.

[00:36:49]>> I think I'd probably rather play Tykus than Swan.

[00:36:52]>> Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. And then Swan probably above Nova cuz P1 laser drills like if you're if you want to be lazy about it is very good on this.

[00:37:00]>> Okay. So, if you're a lazy player, not that anyone wants to admit they are, uh, do >> I am lazy.

[00:37:08]>> I like playing P3. That's why I play co-op.

[00:37:12]I'm still I'm still trying to get the zero APM challenge.

[00:37:15]>> Lazy drill. That's That's the name, right? Dra lazy drill. Moving on.

[00:37:20]>> Yeah.

[00:37:20]>> Hey, he's probably the simplest lowest APS this week.

[00:37:24]>> Not necessarily the strongest, but definitely Yeah, keep that in mind, folks.

[00:37:28]>> All right. I mean, that is how you could do it, isn't it? I think you could genuinely hit zero APM if your if your if your co-op partner was half decent with this on P1. It's going to have to be tried. If your if your ally is Abther and he does the abduct cheese and then delays him out for nine hours, you can probably get away with zero APM if you average it out. All right, top of Btier.

[00:37:50]>> I'd be inclined to say Allarak probably.

[00:37:52]I think >> Well, yeah, I I thought it was A tier then.

[00:37:56]>> Uh, possibly Carrian slightly better than Phoenix.

[00:38:02]>> All right, then.

[00:38:02]>> And I I had Stukeoff in Ctier, so yeah, I'm I I'm pretty happy with that. But I I don't know what ET thinks in terms of the this because he is uh thought about Stukeoff more intelligently than I did this week.

[00:38:14]>> I guess it's like I don't know. All Alarak like it feels like the environmental hurt him more than a lot of the others do. Double-edged hurts him more than a lot of the others do. But >> he's so good on this map though.

[00:38:25]>> He is. He is. But it's more about the mutators than it is the map. Probably fine how it is. Like they're all they're all fine.

[00:38:31]>> All right, moving on. Top of Ctier. For my money, I would I think the top of seat tier doesn't look too bad. And then I'd probably swap Zigara and Voriz.

[00:38:39]>> You think Zigagara's better than Vorazoon?

[00:38:41]>> I think better.

[00:38:43]>> No, I suppose. No. Sorry. I keep forgetting the the dark pylon. I won't I won't call it a cheese, but the manner in which the manner in which she plays does make it quite easy, doesn't it?

[00:38:52]>> Yeah. It was Btier.

[00:38:54]>> Yeah. Go on then. Go on then. Put her back. Yeah. Fine.

[00:38:56]>> So, top of sea hot and harder. He does have air or they do have air strikers and they do gain value over time, but that's is that enough to defend the ship? I guess you can land Vikings and stuff and you can get eminent domain.

[00:39:07]>> Yeah, this is true. As much as much as we hate to admit it, what do you think, ET? I kind of feel I'm too emotionally close to this one.

[00:39:14]>> Um, >> everyone's close to this one.

[00:39:16]>> I think it's probably probably fine how it is. Yeah, like if you don't get black death or double-edged and horner, I think you're feeling pretty good. Like they're good against propagators with heliens. They're good against >> void rifts, >> the app itself. Incredibly good. They're really good against void rifts. Yeah, which I guess we didn't talk about void rift much, but uh >> that's what does. That's their calling card.

[00:39:36]>> Yeah, I think they're probably the best in C tier. And then Rainer. Yeah, cuz Repair is good and bunkers are good against Black Death. And then Vorzun, I think, is definitely better than Zigara.

[00:39:45]Even if it's cheesy, I think it's valid.

[00:39:47]I mean, anyway. All right, that's it.

[00:39:50]Those are the tiers. I don't think there are enough guys. Actually, there's about half. Half of the guys are beer lower.

[00:39:56]So yeah, let's do this. Are there any combinations of Btier or lower that together are better than Nova on her own? Well, >> Zaga and Art Tannis.

[00:40:06]>> Yeah. Well, >> yeah, >> there is that.

[00:40:08]>> Yeah, it's always this combo >> genuinely does hold up. Yeah, >> it's Touov with just about anybody.

[00:40:14]>> Um um maybe we just Allanak really just needs someone to keep him healed.

[00:40:23]>> Yes. do. Yeah, like uh Rainer Allarak, something like that. Let's make some medics for Allarak and then don't make bio >> like that. Yeah, something like that.

[00:40:30]That'll work. But is it better than Nova on her own? Because No Shotgun is really good. Then again, Nova shotgun will destroy her with double-edged but she's a lot cheaper to bring back. That's what that's what I say. The cheaper Nova is Nova herself.

[00:40:46]>> Nova. Yeah.

[00:40:47]>> Well, and again, Raven turrets are incredibly good against double edge. So, >> that's true. I this is quite a tricky one to do synergies for because the manner in which we've ranked them means that there's going to be a weak link somewhere because of where we put them.

[00:40:59]Do you know what I mean?

[00:41:00]>> All right, that makes sense. So, I guess we're good with this. All right, guys.

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