Prosecutors Say MA State Trooper Changed Lesson Plan After A MSP Recruit Died

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:00]Heat. Heat. N. [music] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> What's up everybody? [music] Welcome back into Let's Talk Live here in the LTL Media channel. Come on in, chat in the chat. Let's relax. We're going to do a recap show today of Casey Lamont's hearing. It was a very quick hearing the other day, and that's pretty much what I thought was going to happen.

[00:01:21]I think the the the hearing was like under four minutes. Uh but it was well worth to go up there up into Worcester and uh I got to meet with Enrique's family. I got to see them outside of court. We spoke for about 10 minutes or so. Um and um you know, they basically just told me that they're very happy with the investigation, the way that David Meyer has been handling this. And um you know, I got to go in and sit in court and watch Casey Lamont uh actually get formally arraigned. So, we will uh we'll get into that tonight. We're going to talk about that. We'll recap everything and then um you know, talk about some of the things that I have coming up uh pretty soon. So, yeah, let's go to the chat first. Ruthie, nice to see you. Happy to have you here as well. Thanks for the support. I appreciate you. Karen's always over here. Thanks for being here, Karen. I really appreciate you uh coming in. And uh there's a couple things I really want to talk about tonight that I find interesting that Casey Lamont's lawyer said after court. And we'll watch that video and I'll kind of uh I'll talk a little bit about that tonight. So, Jay Boogie in the house. Nice to see you.

[00:02:27]I'm glad that that there's people that are really invested in this case. And I keep seeing, you know, the same names and the screen names over and over again. Um, and this is a very important case, you know, this is very important, you know, to me, but I and not only I think to me, um, this is a very important case for the state of Massachusetts. And I think for even policemies across our nation, you know, you literally have a recruit, a trainee that was uh that died at, you know, a state police academy and uh you know, we have four individuals that are allegedly being held um and now criminally charged for his death. Um and um you know it's I I just keep thinking of the family you know seeing them outside of court and I I just I always have that vision in my mind of Enrique's mom and it's always the same face that I see her with that I have been seeing her you know through all of these hearings and it's the it's the ultimate you know loss and sadness and rightfully so. I mean, that was her son. You know, Enrique was going to be, you know, the one that, you know, broke through in the family and and and, you know, pushed and and, you know, achieved his dream. And it's just it's such a tragic loss of life. Such a young, you know, young man. And I hear, you know, people reaching out to me all the time, people that worked, you know, in with him in the in the DA's office in Worcester and just said, you know, there's nothing bad about this guy. He was just such a really great guy, a joy to be around. and everybody was rooting for him to go on to be a, you know, a productive state trooper. So, um, you know, that's my little intro. We'll get into, uh, this tonight. Brienne, thank you for being here. Thank you so much, Ruthie. I appreciate that. Life artist says, "Hey, thanks for your coverage on this one. Thank you for being here. I appreciate that." All right, let's get up to this. I released this story last night. Uh, was a little bit of a recap of what happened in court yesterday.

[00:04:24]I'll go through this article and then we'll play, you know, the footage that I grabbed out there. We'll play the court hearing. I was lucky enough to get the uh sidebar pretty damn quick. Um there's a there's a website that you can get the recordings off of called For the Record and usually it takes usually takes about 2 days, 48 hours or so to get those recordings, but I submitted it and I had it back within an hour. Um and it probably just because of the length of the hearing was so so short. So what I did is I went back, took the video edit um that they showed the other day. It was like four four minutes and then I placed in the sidebar when they went to the sidebar conversation. So, we'll be able to hear that. But, let's get into the story here. So, MSP trooper Casey Lamont pleads not guilty as defense pushes back after court. Uh, this afternoon, well, yesterday, well, when yeah, Wednesday, this afternoon in Worcester Superior Court, Massachusetts State Police Trooper Casey Lamont was formally arraigned in Worcester Superior Court in connection with the death of uh recruit Enriquea de Gara Garcia. I got to take that out. That's a double. I doubled it up there. But Lamont now is the fourth state troop police trooper uh member charged in this case, joining Jennifer Penton, Sergeant Jennifer Penton, trooper Edwin Rodriguez, and Trooper Davy David Montenez. During the brief hearing, Lamont plead not guilty to the two charges, one count of involuntary manslaughter, and uh the second count of causing serious bodily injury to a participant in a physical exercise program. Lamont, like the other defense defendants, are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court. So we go to released on personal recognizes. The Commonwealth represented by the independent council, David Meyer, requested that Lamont be released on personal recognes with only the condition to have a no contact with certain individuals identified to the defense. And obviously that list has uh been protected and impounded. The judge accepted the agreement. Lamont is released without cash bail and given a standard bail warning. His next court date is scheduled for June 16th for a pre-trial conference. And that's going to be, I believe, for everybody. I think uh Montinees, Penton, and um uh Ed Edwin Rodriguez is going to be scheduled on the 16th as well, too. So, they may all be there in court to guil uh together.

[00:06:43]Um but I'm not sure. You know, things change, hearings change, dates change.

[00:06:47]So, uh, let's talk about the sidebar.

[00:06:49]So, what happened at the sidebar, and we're going to hear this in a minute.

[00:06:52]I'm going to play the video. One of the most important moments came from the sidebar. The discussion appeared to center on the Commonwealth statement of the case. The detailed filing laying out the allegations against Lamont. The defense raised concern about the document remaining publicly available, especially because how much of the detail it contains from the defense's perspective. the cert the the the certain that the filing could be seen by the media public and potentially future jurors before trial. Look, it's been out there. It's been out there for what, close to three weeks already. I mean, there's probably, you know, tons of copies of this thing floating around already. It's up on my website. It's not going to go away. Even if they were to hide this uh from the public, you know, there there's there's copies everywhere by now. So I mean what you know what good is it going to do at this point to uh to take that and impound it. So a key reason appeared to be that similar statement had already been filed against the case against the other three co-fendants uh codefendants. The court seemed reluctant to remove Lamont's statement while others uh remained public and I I literally just talked about that the sidebar showed that a early legal battle over public access pre-trial publicity and how the court balanced transparency without right to a fair trial. So then we had Lamont's lawyer outside, his name is Brian Kelly.

[00:08:11]Uh so after court, Lamont's attorney, Brian Kelly, strongly pushed get back against the charges. And this is where it gets a little bit interesting here because I reached out to two of my sources and uh we talked about the lesson plan and you're going to hear his quote on the lesson plan about it being uh revised and he's going to say like, "Look, you know, these things get revised all the time. That's bullshit."

[00:08:34]And yeah, you can see Lamont here. Um, so it says Kelly argued that Enrique Dog Garcia's death was tragic but not a crime. He said the Commonwealth made the tragedy worse by charging what was described as an innocent man. Kelly also said the boxing program had been in place for decades and was approved at high levels within the Mass State Police. In his view, Lamont is being the scapegoat for a longstanding training program. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, the program's been in place for many, many years, but the responsibility, in my opinion, uh, you know, was placed on your client as a leader and an instructor inside of that class. You know, his responsibility according to his duties is to constantly evaluate, you know, trainees as they come in medically, physically, and mentally. Uh, and according to the Commonwealth, he didn't do that. He didn't do that. So, one of Kelly's strongest points was that Lamont was allegedly not present during the Sparring session where Dogato Garcia was fatally injured. Kelly argued that it is unfair to accuse Lamont of crimes, recklessness when he wasn't even there for that session. And again, we'll find out more about that when it does come out in court. Kelly also addressed, and this is what I just talked about, addressed the issue of the revised training documents. He said daily lesson sheet se she sheets are routinely updated at the end of the day to reflect the actual what was actually taught.

[00:10:08]He called any suggestion of nefarious intent misleading. And here's where I I reached out to my sources. My sources tell me that lesson plans are, and this is a quote from my source, never to be revised for any reason. And every course is required to have an approved lesson plan before the academy uh even before the academy even starts. So in my opinion, Lamont's lawyer is playing word games and that this narrative will backfire during the trial if he keeps that mindset. And not only did I hear it from one source, I heard it from two sources about approved lesson plans before the academy actually starts. So that ma that matters because document revision appeared to be one of the issues the Commonwealth is focusing on.

[00:10:54]The defense is already signaling that it will uh challenge that part of the case.

[00:10:59]Uh and then we talk about a familiar pattern inside the MSP. Brian Williams, president of the state police association of Massachusetts, also spoke after court and you're going to hear that video as well too and strongly defended the charged members. Williams argued that the public narrative around Delgato Garcia's death has been shaped by incomplete and inaccurate information. He said that the union does not believe the evidence supports the charges. He also pointed to the fact that the training sessions uh was video recorded and that they were qualifi and there were qualified oversight and that the defense tactic staff followed established rules and protocols. But this is exactly where the uh the public concern begins. Too often with the mass state police, the first institutional response appears to be controlled by the narrative, minimizing the alleged facts and frame the story in the most favorable way possible. Instead of letting the evidence speak for itself, the public is told that people are misunderstanding the situation that critics do not have the full picture and the accountability is being driven by pressure instead of facts. And we hear this in all of the, you know, all of the time we hear this, you know, every time that there's a scandal inside the MSP.

[00:12:11]Uh, you know, this is, this is really the stuff that always gets regurgitated out. Uh, that that has become a familiar culture inside the MSP. When serious allegations surface, the pattern often feels the same. And I just literally said this, bury the uncomfortable details, protect the institution, and write a clear, clear cleaner vision of the story for public consumption. That does not mean the defendants are guilty, but they are and they are presumed innocent and the commonwealth still has to prove its case in court. But I go back to this and I've talked about this 350 pieces of evidence in this case and over 150 witnesses. And you have to, you know, you have to believe that, you know, it's going to be academy people that were inside the academy that day, people that were training inside the academy that day. Maybe we have some uh leadership officials that come forward as well. Uh, and you're going to talk about probably immunity to testify in some of these cases. Um, and now I'm looking at the sense now here too. I look at the four four individuals now being formally charged. I'm sitting back and saying, okay, who's going to be the first one that rolls over? Who's going to be the first one that rolls over in this group of four? Um, that quite possibly could happen. You know, if the evidence is so compounding, their lawyer might work out a deal and maybe they work out a deal to testify against the the other three. So that's something to look forward to as well. Um, so Williams is right about one thing. Accountability should be on facts, not public pressure.

[00:13:38]But those facts cannot selectively frame, bury, or rewritten the same institution under scrutiny. In Erica Deata Garcia's case, the public deserves the full truth, not just a vision, a version of protects the mass state police. And we go to the bottom line.

[00:13:50]Casey Lamont plead guil not guilty to both charges were released on personal cognizances.

[00:13:57]Uh, his next court date is scheduled for June 16th. After court, I attempted to get a comment from Lamont, but he walked away without answering. You can see my photo there. In my opinion, the bigger story came from the sidebar and the statements made after court. The defense is already challenging the Commonwealth's public filings, push back on claims about the document revisions, and argument is the scapegoat. At the same time, the response from the state police union reflects that many people see familiar patterns inside the MSP, control the narrative, downplay the alleged facts, and present the public with the the version of most favorable to the institution. And you know, that's just common practice in the situation.

[00:14:37]Always protect the institution, always protect your own. And uh and you know that's why Williams has probably been up there at every hearing, you know, uh making statements and regurgitating like, oh, you know, we stand behind, you know, our leaders. We stand behind the mass state police and the academy. Uh you know, this is this is just, you know, standard protocol of what happened. Nothing nefarious happened here. Uh that does not erase Lamont's pres uh presumption of innocent. He is like other defendants has the right to defend himself in court and the Commonwealth still still has a burden to prove his case. But for Enrique Degato Garcia's family, this case is about justice. For the defendants, it's about fighting charges they say are unsupported. And for the public, this case raises serious questions about the academy safety, supervision, and transparency, and accountability inside the Massachusetts State Police. So, if you want to read up on any of my articles, you can go over there on ltlnews.com and you can check out, you just go right to the homepage here. It has all my articles, lots of Enrique Dogato Garcia content. If you're missing any of my content on my channel, just click on YouTube and it will bring you up to my full page here on YouTube so you can get all caught up to date there. Uh, let's do this before we play through the video. Let's look up in the chat here.

[00:15:51]Robert says they are all guilty. They are all guilty. Uh, let's see. Creamy null says, uh, not about race, just toxic. Machismo gone rabid. Um, let's see. Ruthie says, Brian, can I ask you a question? I'm sorry. I don't want to make about race, but what do you think would be different if this was a white man? Do you think the public would be more supportive? And it's, you know, it's interesting that you said that, Ruthie, and you know, these are things that I've started to think about. Um, and I thought about actually writing about this, and that's, you know, I asked this kind of in Jay Boogie's uh space the other night. You know, why is this case not getting the public support? I mean, you have we we sit here and talk about corruption uh specifically to the police departments that are in, you know, the state of Massachusetts, specifically the Mass State Police. We just watched, you know, almost three years or four years of Karen Reed. We saw all the corruption that came out in that case. We saw, you know, mastate police officers lose their jobs. Um, others retire because of that.

[00:17:00]We have Canton PD now, certain Canton PD individuals that are um you know being alleged in in a lot of misconduct as well. We're hearing more about Proctor and his text messages. And I just sit here and I say, you know, this is kind of the perfect storm, too. You know, what is it about this case? And maybe I'll throw that back here in the audience. What is it about this case that, you know, look, I'll look up and be honest. You only got 38 people watching. 38 people watching and really caring about this case tonight. You know, why is that? Why isn't there more of a public support for this family? Why isn't there more public support to get to the truth of what happened inside the Mass State Police Academy? You know, I'll ask you guys that. What do you think? Um, but maybe, you know, Ruthie, maybe it would be different. Maybe that would be different if those if it was under these circumstances. you know, I I look at cases um and I take on cases for, you know, the true meaning and what happened. If I feel something is wrong in that case, you know, I don't look at this family's white or this family's black or Hispanic or whatever it may be.

[00:18:10]If there is something majorly wrong going on inside that case that I can dig into and expose some of that, I'm I'm welcome, you know, I'm welcome to do that. I'm welcome to give the voices to the people that might have the power to do that. Look, I'm a very, very small entity in the world of media, but I care about these things and I take them on and you know, I may want to focus a spotlight on a case just like this one right now that's not getting the attention. I don't see anybody talking about this. I barely see blips on the radar on the mainstream media as well.

[00:18:43]And I'm proud that I can sit here and say that I come on my channel with pride and talk about this case because it's bad. I mean, this is the Mass State Police Academy. This happened where, you know, a a a citizen went in and wanted to serve our state as a state trooper and goes into the academy and, you know, a couple of months months in ends up dead. And if you've read through that charging document, it's pretty bad what happened. I mean, Lamont is being literally accused of editing a lesson plan as Delgado Garcia is is literally on his deathbed heading to UMass Worcester. Um, you know, that's corruption in all itself right there.

[00:19:29]And it just gets worse. You have Penton that's been alleged lying uh in front of the grand jury, asked multiple times and had the opportunity multiple times to clear her name and tell the truth about what she knew. And she allegedly continued to lie and that's why she's facing not only an involuntary manslaughter charge, but a perjury charge as well, too. Um, so I don't know. Let's look at the chat. Maybe you guys know. Robert says, "Lamont looks crazy."

[00:19:59]Uh, let's see. Uh, Leah in the chat.

[00:20:02]Good to see you, Leah. Thank you so much. She said, "Keep doing the coverage on this case, Brian. Thank you." Uh, let's see. Karen says, "Very nice job with asking attorney Kelly what the what his words were for Delgato Garcia family and that uh asking Lamont. Fantastic article." I appreciate that. you know, and and it's funny because when we get out there, [snorts] um, after court, the question that I wanted to ask Lamont, uh, but it was it was grabbed by one of the reporters up front is going to ask him about the revised lesson plan. And I when the other reporter asked, I was like, damn, that was going to be my question, but I'm like, you know what, I'll just because I know they're not going to follow him, but I'm going to follow Lamont and I'm going to ask him again for myself. So, um, I don't know.

[00:20:42]Let's see. Karen says, "But how many of those 150 witnesses will plead the fifth?" That we don't know. You know, that we don't know. Um, but I'm happy that 150 people came forward, and I'm happy that, you know, there's able to to gather 350 pieces of evidence. That's a it's a lot of evidence uh in a case.

[00:21:01]Granny says, "Yes, they are all She thinks they're all guilty. Shame on them for acting in and stop breathing." Let's see. Ruthie says, "I think you should write about your view on this case."

[00:21:10]I'll read it. Yeah, I've been thinking about doing that. I've been thinking about putting something uh together.

[00:21:14]Robert says, "You're so right. This is corruption." Yeah, absolutely. Let's see. Um Vanessa Leah says, "Vanessa, we have an EMT of two at the academy at all times. Trainee are due to PT medical uh medical scenarios and issues." Halfbaked says he did not have family that could do what Karen Reed's family could do. Jay Boogie says 100%. It's horrible. Perjury. Um let's see. You always have Captain Enrique in the light. Thank you. I appreciate that. Um, let's see.

[00:21:48]Robert says, "Blue Blue Line Gang, they're not worried about the case."

[00:21:53]Yeah. And then, uh, Ratchet Eye saying, "Was everything up and up at the hospital? Were any of the staff pressured?" Uh, from what I know, I know that there was a lot of pressure to keep this quiet. Um, but as far as his medical treatment, um, you know, from what I've heard from talking and speaking with the family, the medical treatment would be any normal medical treatment that someone would get at the hospital when they go in under an emergency. But I was hurt, you know, I was told that everything pretty much in that little ward at the time was on lockdown. It was pretty was supposed to be tightened down and not talked about pretty damn quickly uh, when this all went down. So, um, anyway, but let's do this. Let's get up to looking at some video as to what happened. We're going to look at uh you know prehering and then we'll take up the hearing and then we'll look at the lawyer speaking uh Lamont's lawyer speaking after court. So let's play this.

[00:22:46]>> Ladies and gentlemen, we are >> Oh, actually no. I wanted to play actually let's play this first. I got a video of Casey Lamont. Let's uh let's look at his grappling techniques. And I just want to make sure that people understand that Lamont is not being charged with any crime in the sense of being involved in any type of fight with Delgado Garcia. I want to make sure that we quell all those rumors. But I look at someone that is extremely disciplined, obviously very expert in martial arts.

[00:23:13]He's an instructor at the academy. He's a jiu-jit trained in jiujitsu, uh, Brazilian jiu-jitsu. And, you know, as far as what I know about, you know, uh, martial arts or, uh, any type of MMA, it's very, very disciplined. They take their their, uh, their craft very seriously. And I said, you know, look, you know, in my opinion here, if if this is something that's so serious to you and it's all about ultimate safety, then I would, you know, think that when you transpose all of that over into the academy that that would be the highest priority on your list is safety at all times. But let's take a look at Lamont and then we'll play uh >> of the evening. Please welcome to the cage first fighting out of the blue corner representing technique BJJ Chris Ro. [screaming] >> This is a Moheaggan son.

[00:24:13]>> Actually, I'm going to speed up. Ah, that's all right. I'll just play. It's like three minute video. That'll last too long now.

[00:24:18]>> Oh, you're welcome, Sus.

[00:24:19]>> Yeah, Chris is like I don't know how tall that guy is. Like 6'2, 63, maybe even 6'4, but he's only like 160 pounds.

[00:24:26]He's got really long legs. real good at triangles from the bottom. He might he might even pull guard.

[00:24:32]>> So Leah says if one of the classmates were to testify against the troopers, trust me, they will need to either resign or their career will be out of uh Broo Western Mass in shund. Wow.

[00:24:45]>> Please welcome fighting out of the red corner representing Jacare Jujitsu Casey Lamro. [screaming] And this is from two years ago.

[00:25:04]And uh Lamont did not look like this.

[00:25:07]Was much skinnier when I saw him than you'll see in the video.

[00:25:12]Little bit more weight on him here.

[00:25:28]Oh, you know what? Just thought about I'm gonna get whacked right there for music. Let's go up here. All right, here we go.

[00:25:36]>> Bruno Diaz.

[00:25:38]>> Chris Roland in white. Casey Lamont in black.

[00:25:43]>> I know Chris wants that guard. He's doing a good job passing away.

[00:25:49]I don't know if he's pro, but he's definitely uh not Moagan Sunny might >> might necessarily be a pro.

[00:25:56]>> First 10 seconds, right?

[00:25:59]>> You know, uh Rodriguez was >> very good. Rodriguez.

[00:26:06]>> Yeah, that was nice.

[00:26:08]>> I'm not a fan of the straight arm bar. I much rather go for the kamura.

[00:26:12]>> Take back. There's all sorts of good transitions from there.

[00:26:21]>> [bell] >> Nice.

[00:26:23]>> That's it.

[00:26:25]>> Phenomenal performance from Casey Lamont from Jacare Jujuetsu.

[00:26:31]>> And he does the gator walk.

[00:26:37]>> I mean, black belt, I mean, from what I know, black belt with a red stripe is that's not a fuckound guy who knows how to >> knows how to fight. Here is your winner. The across collar show Casey [screaming] Lamont.

[00:26:58]>> Susan, thank you so much for the five. I do have a Oh, he's had a belt, too. Look at that. I do have a goal tonight uh up there. If you guys want to make it happen, you can click the super chat button or you can donate via my VMO uh PayPal, Cash App, whatever it may be.

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[00:27:16]Um, you can send that most cash apps PayPal's that way as well too. So, or you can send send a membership, join as a member. U, we've been doing a lot of membersonly content lately. All right, let's get into what happened outside of court the other day. And thank you, Susan. I appreciate the $5 super sticker. Here we go. This was a interview by NBC 10. I kind of caught it the last minute, jumped over. This is one of the family members of uh Ra Degara Garcia and he's been out at the hearings in Worcester and pretty much rolls up in his car and has these uh beautiful uh you know tapestry signs that he takes out and puts them all over his car and he was standing there with one and I kind of ran over and caught just a tail end. Uh it is in Spanish but I did translate it to uh English subtitles too so we'll be able to hear what's going on. Here we go.

[00:28:17]Fore people.

[00:28:42]This is the more staff.

[00:29:12]No, no. Is >> [laughter] >> that [laughter] Noisy out there.

[00:30:16]It's all about Alex, >> you want to ask him?

[00:30:49]>> That's uh Enrique's mom and his stepfather.

[00:30:52]The lady next to her. The lady ah [ __ ] Let me go back. I just want to explain what's going on. The lady next to her right here. Let me get my pen. So this is Enrique's mom. That's his stepdad.

[00:31:06]And this lady here is her translator.

[00:31:09]And basically, you know, when the hearings start, she's always kind of just leaning in and whispering, you know, translating to uh his mom. So if you ever see them in court, that's basically um you know who all who that all is.

[00:31:30]I'm [clears throat] sitting actually right behind the family. I mean, the only like four >> like four. Here's the press box here.

[00:31:39]When I sat in the first hearing, I sat here. This young lady was outside.

[00:31:43]There's a couple of press. I'm actually right there. And there's a couple other press right here, I think, because there wasn't so many people. We just sat, you know, behind the family. Um, the attorneys for the Delgado Garcia family are here. Whoops.

[00:32:02]He wants his client at the table.

[00:32:03]>> I want to just make sure everybody understands that's their attorneys here.

[00:32:07]Um David Meyer and then all the MSP sat on this side over here. Lamont is right here.

[00:32:15]>> Okay.

[00:32:16]Now go out and maybe >> what's in here looking by himself today [clears throat] coming in afterwards. But I didn't put him in there because >> president of uh the union right here.

[00:32:47]That's uh Brian Williams.

[00:32:54]>> Yeah, because he needs to get out of the >> Okay, great.

[00:33:02][clears throat] >> I told you about this stuff.

[00:33:06]>> Thanks.

[00:33:08]I don't read it and I don't read it either.

[00:33:11]>> I said I've never seen that in all my years.

[00:33:17][clears throat] >> Yep.

[00:33:41]I think we can actually everything but it's Yeah. Okay.

[00:33:59]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:00]>> Okay.

[00:34:03]Boogie, it's kind of interesting that you said that and and something that I noticed in court, too. Um, he was asked to stand quite a few times when he should have stood up. Um, and I thought that was really strange that I've never seen that before. I mean, I've never been in a a court session where someone's been asked to stand or, you know, stand in attention for the judge.

[00:34:28]Um, I've never seen that. And I thought that was uh really strange. And I don't know if it's nervousness or or resistance or what it is, but uh you're going to see that in the hearing family.

[00:34:48]>> Okay.

[00:34:52]>> All right.

[00:34:58]Courtney, you may be seated.

[00:35:02]>> I proceed.

[00:35:03]>> Judge, this is a matter of 2685 Sierra number 30, Comwalth versus Casey Lamont.

[00:35:10]Council, could you identify yourself, please? Comalth first.

[00:35:12]>> Good afternoon, your honor. David Meyer, Independent Council on behalf of the Commonwealth.

[00:35:17]>> Good afternoon.

[00:35:18]>> Good afternoon, your honor of Miss Lamont. Afternoon. Good afternoon, Mr. Lamont.

[00:35:23]>> Mr. Lamont, can you stand, please? On 26-30-1, presenting involuntary manslaughter, sir, how do you plead guilty and not guilty?

[00:35:33]>> Not guilty.

[00:35:33]>> And on count number two, causing serious bodily injury to a participant in a physical exercise training program. Sir, how do you plead guilty and not guilty?

[00:35:41]>> Not guilty.

[00:35:41]>> Issue is bail.

[00:35:44]Uh, >> if you please the court, your honor, could we see the court briefly at Sidebar?

[00:35:48]>> Sure. Thank you, your honor.

[00:35:52]Oh, >> actually I have the I put the >> That's where I fuse the sidebar in from the audience.

[00:35:59]>> How are you?

[00:36:00]>> Good. Thank you.

[00:36:00]>> Good. Good afternoon.

[00:36:02]>> Thank you.

[00:36:02]>> How are you?

[00:36:03]>> Um I'm well, judge. Um I asked the court to see the court to see the council sidebar only because um on behalf of his client, Mr. Kelly, who can speak for himself, has filed an opposition.

[00:36:15]>> Yeah. I've read to the statement of the case that um that I filed on behalf of Comos. I don't want to address that in open court. I get it. I um I read the the statement of the case and the problem is it's already been filed in three cases.

[00:36:29]>> Yeah. Well, the horse is out of the box.

[00:36:30]That's right.

[00:36:31]>> But at the same time, I mean, if you want me to argue this on the record, I will. But um >> Well, we're on the record.

[00:36:36]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:36]>> It's kind of I mean, this is kind of embarrassing. It's kind of a mute point at this point. I mean, even the judge says like it's been filed three times already and you want us to what? Impound the ca the statement of the case. Like I said, it's already out there. You know how many multiple copies of this is probably passed around already? It's like a very mute point.

[00:36:57]>> Yeah, we do think it's prejuditial to have it still on the record, still being accessed by the media, still being accessed by potential jurors. So, we thought it was appropriate to at least document our concern. No, I understand it's it it is unusual to have a statement of the case filed here in Western DA's office does not routinely do it. Although the AG's office does do it um on their cases. I know in other counties, Middle Sex for instance, they routinely do it. Um yours is pretty lengthy. Uh it's not a three-page uh statement. It's 11 pages. So, what I'm going to do, I appreciate the issues you raised in the opposition. I read it. I'm going to deny the motion without prejudice. I think if there's going to be um if it's going to be addressed, it has to be comprehensively addressed. I know it was addressed in each individual case, but if collectively the defendants want to reassess it, then you have to reassess it as to all the cases. I don't think it makes sense for me to strike this one and have the other three in existence.

[00:37:55]>> Fair enough. All right. So, I'm going to deny without prejudice. Um the protective order is fine.

[00:38:00]>> Yes, it's um it's been revised. We've been working cooperatively with Justin Meyer. I have every confidence that you you guys are going to work cooperatively. All right. That'll happen. Yeah. Good. [clears throat] >> All right. I think we're discussing >> our Yes, your honor. Um, thank you, Judge. Um, I've had the opportunity to speak to Mr. Kelly at length and um as was the case with the three codefendants, the Commonwealth is respectfully asking that [clears throat] uh Trooper Lamont be released on personal recgnissance with the uh sole condition of his release that he have no contact um with certain individuals who I've identified um to Mr. Kelly.

[00:38:39]>> Is that agreeable?

[00:38:40]>> Yes, your honor. We've seen that list and that's agreeable.

[00:38:42]>> But those would be the bail terms. Um, next date, >> I believe July, excuse me, June 16th, your honor.

[00:38:51]>> All right. June 16th.

[00:38:52]>> And judge, if I give him a bail warning.

[00:38:53]>> Yes, Kathy. Thank you.

[00:38:54]>> Sir, you're hereby notified if you fail without sufficient excuse to appear in court after being released on bail recgnissance. You may be punished by a fine of up to $10,000 or a year in jail or both in the case of a misdemeanor.

[00:39:05]And in the case of a felony, sir, you could face a fine up to $50,000 or five years in jail of both. Do you understand that warning?

[00:39:11]>> Yes, ma'am. Also, if you are rearrested on something new, all these cases are open. The court may revoke a bill, be held without bail up to 90 days. Do you understand that one?

[00:39:19]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:39:20]>> And probation's already had the chance to speak to him. Correct.

[00:39:23]>> Yes. [snorts] >> June 16th for pre-trial conference.

[00:39:26]>> All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

[00:39:29]>> All right.

[00:39:43]>> Lost the bench. Go ahead. [laughter] >> Again.

[00:39:56]And you know who was the other?

[00:39:57]>> I'm sorry. I meant to ask >> I can ask him.

[00:40:03]>> Do we the other three?

[00:40:04]>> Yeah. No objection.

[00:40:05]>> All right. I'll just I'll talk to him.

[00:40:06]Yeah. I'll I don't think there's a problem, but you want to wait and I'll ask him.

[00:40:10]>> Yeah. I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that.

[00:40:14]>> Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

[00:40:23]Yeah.

[00:40:42]Yeah, I was going to say that he's got it. Definitely has it. A fire.

[00:40:48]>> Thank you. Thank you.

[00:40:53]>> Great. Thank you very much.

[00:40:58]>> It's It's crazy, too. I mean, I I've been up to, you know, uh the courouses in Denim, Northfor Superior, obviously because the the Karen Reed case, and I've sat in the courts there, and it's like, you know, that building is so much older than the, you know, the Worcester Superior Court. You go to Worcester Superior Court, they have heating and air conditioning, and it's like bigger and you can hear everything. You go to, you know, Norfor, it's like you can't [ __ ] hear anything. If you're in there during the summer, you're gonna boil. Um, you know, I'm sure in the the winter it's freezing.

[00:41:34][laughter] Um, but it's just such a different world. And Worcester is massive court.

[00:41:40]It's that superior court is massive.

[00:41:42]Tons of courtrooms. Uh, I think there's three or four levels to it. It's uh, it's different. Much different than than normal. Well, >> I told them 2:30 whenever they were around the area, so they're somewhere.

[00:41:59]Hey, David.

[00:42:00]>> David.

[00:42:04]>> I know it's not going on.

[00:42:09]>> I don't know.

[00:42:10]>> What?

[00:42:12]>> I don't know.

[00:42:17]>> I'm coming to see you. [laughter] I'm coming to see you.

[00:42:23]council if you mind please sure everyone doing >> how you doing Mr. Kelly >> doing all right how you guys doing >> good thank you >> you mind spelling your first and last please >> sure Brian Kelly B R I A N Kelly E L Y >> representing >> Yeah, Mr. Casey Lamont State Trooper. So look, this case is and it's it's obviously a tragedy what happened to M Garcia, but not every tragedy is a crime. And what the Commonwealth has done here is made the tragedy worse by charging an innocent man who didn't do the crimes that are alleged in this case. You have to bear in mind this boxing program has been in place for decades. And in particular in this case here, it was approved by the hierarchy of the state police at the highest levels. And now they've dragged >> Yeah. the approved lesson plan. The approved lesson plan >> in the trooper, this young trooper, and are trying to scapegoat him uh for what happened. And it's not right. It's not fair and it's not appropriate. Uh they cannot prove that he acted recklessly in any regard. And in fact, in this case, the only reckless thing you're going to see is the charge. It was reckless to charge him with a crime in this case. It really was. So, we look forward to getting in front of a Worcester grand jury who will use some common sense to see it. See this for what it [screaming] is. It's a tragedy. It's not a crime and it never should have been charged. The training was approved already.

[00:44:02]>> Thank you very much. What do you say about the allegations that he revised some of these documents after the fact?

[00:44:06]>> Well, you should take >> Okay, it's funny. I I want to stop this for a second. So, uh, let's see.

[00:44:20]I had my question. So, does Trooper Lamont's defense dispute that the alleged lesson plan was changed? What should the public understand about that issue? That was going to be my question, but this reporter got it before me. Uh, but I screamed it out to him before uh before they took off. So, let's just go back a little bit here.

[00:44:38]>> See this for what it [screaming] is.

[00:44:39]It's a tragedy. It's not a crime and it never should have been charged.

[00:44:43]>> The training was approved already.

[00:44:45]>> Very much. What do you say about the allegations that he revised these documents after the fact?

[00:44:49]>> Well, you should take a look what we filed in court today because the revisions that they're trying to suggest are suspicious or inappropriate are totally appropriate. In fact, they're routinely those daily lesson sheets are routinely edited at the end of the day so that they know what was taught. So, >> no. And I'm going to tell you right now, let me just read from my source here.

[00:45:10]Let me let me actually have two sources that came forward. Uh, I asked the question, "Less plans get edited edited at the end of the day all the time."

[00:45:22]Quote, "Never.

[00:45:24]What the hell were they doing?"

[00:45:28]Every course is required to have an approved lesson plan before the start of the academy.

[00:45:34]I had another source come forward. I asked the same question.

[00:45:41]I said, "Lesson plans get edited edited at the end of the day all the time.

[00:45:46]Negative.

[00:45:48]The lesson is always structured unless an instructor cancels due to illness or something else that day."

[00:45:56]So, there's two sources that I checked and that's what they had to say about this.

[00:46:03]ly those daily lesson sheets are routinely edited at the end of the day so that they know what was taught. So there's nothing nefarious about that.

[00:46:12]It's a misleading um statement in the in the government statement of the case and we move to strike that today. Uh the court denied it without prejudice if if he invited us to bring it back with the other defendants, but we already filed something today saying why that is uh so unfair. And we pointed out it's unfair in large part because they make much ado about the sparring session where he wasn't even present.

[00:46:36]>> So they're saying he was reckless by being at this sparring session. He wasn't even there. So we think the uh filing uh by the Commonwealth was inappropriate. We moved to strike it. We lost and so be it. Um we look forward to pursuing uh other motions.

[00:46:50]>> Any comments to the Delgado Garcia family? Casey, any comments? We have um a statement that uh Good afternoon everybody. My name is Brian Williams.

[00:46:59]I'm the president of the State Police Association of Massachusetts. I have some prepared remarks that I'm going to give right now and uh I'm not going to be taking any questions. The death of Troopa Delgado Garcia was a tragedy, but the narrative to date remains shaped by incomplete and inaccurate information.

[00:47:15]The association stands firmly by its original position that the evidence does not support these charges. The indisputable record will show one the full video documentation. The entire session between the two trainees was captured on video providing an objective record of what occurred. Qualified oversight. The session [sighs] I'm so [ __ ] mad right now that this is being said. I'm so [ __ ] mad that this is being said right now.

[00:47:52]Oh, my blood boils that the evidence does not support these charges. The indisputable record will show one the full video documentation. The entire session between the two trainees was captured on video providing an objective record of what occurred. Qualified oversight. The session was conducted under the direct authority of a medical professional and an experienced referee with all established protocols strictly followed.

[00:48:20]third.

[00:48:21]>> Okay. So, let me ask you this. When he's getting the sh the [ __ ] beat out of him within two minutes and goes down multiple times, like we've seen in boxing matches, what happens when someone gets knocked down multiple times and cannot barely [ __ ] stand, what do they do? What do they usually do to protect the fighter? So, there were multiple opportunities that this could have what? This could have what, folks?

[00:48:45]What could it have? What could have happened? What could have happened when someone's getting knocked around and clearly overmatched and knocked on their ass and taking a beating? What could have happened? Who could have stepped in and done what? Could have done what exactly stopped the fight? Why was it not stopped? Why did it keep going? Why in between rounds in between the 60-second rest when Enrique Dog Garcia is on his stool and and slunged over and not wanting to get up, gets up at the very last second and meets at the center of the ring where his opponent is already there waiting for him and is allowed to continue into the second round and you get 15 20 seconds in in a one-two punch combo. [ __ ] knocks him out, makes him smash on the his back of his neck and fall awkwardly on his legs, and then has this labored breathing sound that's coming.

[00:49:55]I don't know if Have you guys ever watched like uh what movies? Uh Jackass.

[00:50:00]I'm sure you guys have watched the Jackass movies or seen skits when those guys get knocked out and they have breathing that sounds like when you're knocked out. And that's continuing and continuing and continuing.

[00:50:17]As the medical team comes in, two or three minutes later, the medical response puts him on the gurnie and you see him get brought off camera.

[00:50:28]Why? Why was this not stopped? And then why was it after the fact?

[00:50:34]Then when questions were asked, actually immediately after it happened, this is what happened. a recruit, apparently a recruit or allegedly a recruit came forward right away and started to let the instructors know like Penton and said, "Hey, I wanted to let you know that in Wednesday's fight, the unauthorized fight early that morning on Wednesday, Enrique complained of concussion-like symptoms." So there was already somebody telling them that that happened the day before because this might be relevant information when he gets to the [ __ ] hospital on Thursday.

[00:51:18]Hey, this guy might have had a concussion as of yesterday.

[00:51:24]He complained of losing most of the day.

[00:51:28]And from what I heard, another quote was, "My head doesn't feel right."

[00:51:33]probably relevant information that could have been used as he went to the hospital on Thursday. So potentially he's already concussed. You could have had a brain bleed at that point on Wednesday. Slept through it on Thursday, got up and boxed on uh I'm sorry, slept through on Wednesday, got up and did the authorized sparring match on Thursday.

[00:52:00]So, do you think that's probably relevant information to tell? And this is where they brought Jennifer Penton in and sat her down for 4 hours and interviewed her and she said, "No, allegedly said no, I don't didn't know about that." And then when she went and testified in front of the grand jury, it was the same response, allegedly.

[00:52:25]So, that's why she's being held for perjury. All right, let's >> professional standards. Our defensive tactics staff are among the best in the nation. Their actions were consistent with their training and their roles.

[00:52:39]Accountability must be grounded in the strict adherence to the facts, not driven by public pressure or incomplete and inaccurate information. Under both the law and the facts of these case of the facts of this case, these members maintain the presumption of innocence.

[00:52:55]We are confident that this innocence will be upheld at the conclusion of these proceedings. Thank you.

[00:53:02]>> I think this video Thank you guys.

[00:53:24]Casey, did you revise the lesson plan?

[00:53:32]Any comments for the Delgato Garcia family?

[00:53:45]There we go. Run away.

[00:53:48]Run away.

[00:53:51]Run away.

[00:53:53]Monty Python. Run away. Run away. Yeah.

[00:53:58]So, what it says here is uh David Meyer and independent investigators appointed to the case by the state attorney general said the failure of their instructions and supervisors to stop the boxing match led to the death of Mr. Delgado Garcia who suffered quote multiple blunt force injuries to the head and a massive brain bleed as a result. So that was his official um cause of death. You was a lot of rumors that got floating around there that oh this is an aneurysm. He died of an aneurysm. Well guess what? when the when it all came out and the medical examiner finalized the report was not an aneurysm and I talked about this at the very very beginning that he was medically evaluated before he went into the academy. Uh his family told me that they couldn't even remember the last time he even had mention of a headache.

[00:54:52]He's a very avid runner. Uh always at the gym, always involved in some type of athletic sports or or events. when you go into the academy, you're evaluated by medically evaluated by their staff as well. And from what I understand, it's a very rigorous evaluation um because they don't want to be held liable for anything. Uh as far as you know, un not medically diagnosing someone and then you know um but you know this is u you know and there was like the rumor of oh this is a an you know it's an aneurysm. Someone told me that someone that told me that told me at the hospital.

[00:55:34]How do you even know? A pathologist hasn't even gone through that yet and concluded the report and then come to find out it wasn't. It was multiple blunt force injuries with uh a cranial blame brain bleed. Um and like I said, you know, who knows? Did he get that on that? You know, I don't know if they can figure out and maybe it will come out in trial and I'm curious about this injury.

[00:55:58]Would they be able to tell this is something that started the day prior and that he basically should have been medically evaluated and he wasn't and this continued over into Thursday. So he gets, you know, is it possible? Could he have had a brain bleed on Wednesday when he came out of the unauthorized boxing session? It carries through the day, carries into the night. and he goes to bed with it, wakes up, and then has the authorized sparring match on Thursday, taking more multiple, you know, multiple hits to the head. And this is what ultimately kills him.

[00:56:36]I don't know. I mean, would they maybe a pathologist would be able to tell that?

[00:56:41]And I'm very curious to see like did that injury start on the Wednesday. So, um, lot lots to learn in this case. I'm very very curious when that, you know, we start hearing about the discovery. Uh I want to get into trial. I want to know I'm I'm firm that there's going to be more that we that we haven't heard yet.

[00:57:01]Um and you know, all that will come out in trial. I'm I'm I'm damn sure of it.

[00:57:05]So, uh so let's see. I'm just going to go back up in here. Uh be kind, be gentle, says Brian. Next time we get sick, we should go to the MSP instead of urgent care. Uh, because MSP knows everything about medicine. Yeah, apparently not. Apparently not. Um, Ann says, "I bet these cops have lost their phones, too. I I wouldn't be surprised."

[00:57:33]So, there were pictures and reports indicating severe physical injuries. So I know so what I know of is that there were there were pictures of his that his family released while he was in uh UMass Worcester, but there were no, you know, photos beyond that. They showed, you know, him uh inside the the hospital room and those were, you know, those were under the family. If they wanted to release those, those, you know, they released those. But I have seen, you know, multiple pictures of him in the hospital and the injuries that he did have. Um, and there were reports of a lot of severe physical injuries. Um, a broken leg, uh, a broken ankle, um, a broken neck, some broken vertebrae in his neck, and then obviously all the facial um, facial hits that he took too and broken teeth um, in the result of of that fight. I mean, it was just clearly overmatched, and that should have never happened. Um, and that is something that the the instructors are supposed to evaluate on day one. You know, I've had Todd McGee come on my channel before and talk about the academy and said, you know, like look, you know, I was part of the boxing training program there. He wrote the lesson, you know, the the structure and the lesson plan of that particular program. And he said that is something that is always supposed to be constantly evaluated was when recruits come in, you're always physically, mentally, and medically evaluating them.

[00:58:59]So you don't get into a situation like this. If it was under his watch in his care, you know, he would he said that that you know the the strongest, most skilled fighter is not even supposed to be fighting at all because you can get into a situation like this where someone can get hurt or killed and that should have never happened. And that is that falls on the responsibility of uh you know these four troopers as leaders in these positions. So um it's it's bad you know it's really bad. Um I'm going to keep talking about this case. Uh this case is very uh you know I've taken a a huge interest in this case and and I want to see it through to completion.

[00:59:37]You know for that family because they deserve this uh they deserve a lot of answers and they deserve to have um whoever accountable for this. And and I think that, you know, we're in a good position right now. The MSP needs to pay if they if they are involved uh in in in these, you know, these four individuals are ultimately found guilty, then they need to pay the price for their guilt.

[00:59:59]And you know, the they in my opinion, they should have done better. You know, they were there to be a leader and be a trusted person for Enrique. And you know what the Commonwealth is alleging that they did not do that. And the thing that kind of irks me more about all of this too is that, you know, a couple of these these troopers served in our military.

[01:00:23]And that even makes it worse in my opinion because you really should know better then. I mean, you're serving our country. You're supposed to be taking care of, you know, your brother in arms, your soldiers, and especially fighting the for the freedom of us. You know, you should have been fighting for Enrique.

[01:00:38]And that just makes it even worse, you know, in my opinion. Uh, let's see.

[01:00:43]Keith says, Kenneth says, "In 50 years, I've never seen or heard of a trooper boxing with a suspect uh ever hear of a heavy uh bag MSP." That's a good point. You know, and look, and now it's like that program's completely taken away and now they want to implement jiu-jitsu.

[01:01:03]Even more scarier. I'll be honest with you, at this point, uh what the Commonwealth's alleging, I don't want Lamont teaching my jiu-jitsu class.

[01:01:11]Sorry about that. I I think I'll sit this one out, you know. I'll sit this one out. Let's see. Uh Be kind says pro fighters should not be teaching cadetses.

[01:01:22]Yeah, I mean that's something that a lot of people have talked about as well too.

[01:01:25]Uh but you have to have experienced people in those particular situations.

[01:01:29]You know, I was talking uh just recently um you know, with a with an officer and they you know, they said that you know, this training uh the way that it is taught and the way that it is, you know, you need to go through that training, but it's got to be it's got to be obviously the correct way to go through that training and, you know, follow the operations uh and not deviate from its plan. And and clearly that's that's what it seems has happened, you know, in this case. And unfortunately, Enrique Dog Garcia, you know, paid uh paid the the ultimate price with his life. And it's it's it sucks. It really sucks. Uh Aaron says, "Mass state troopers corrupt on every level." Uh Karen says, "When my daughter was in Vermont State Police Academy, they boxed one day to help the cadets feel uh what it would be like to take a punch." Yeah. And certainly from what I understand too is that you know these scenarios are supposed to be basically simulating like if you're on your own, you're going to have to defend yourself because your backup might be quite a ways away or another call. So you might have to hold yourself out for a couple of minutes and you have to survive through that. So some of the training can get, you know, very rigorous and and very demanding and and almost dangerous in some cases. And look and look what happened here. Um, you know, in my opinion, I just think that this group of leaders, this group of supervisors, this group of, you know, people that were in charge of the operations were [ __ ] winging it, you know, they were winging it and they were not looking out for the ultimate health and safety of these recruits. And I think there was a lot of laziness there.

[01:03:15]And in the end when this all happened, you know, the worst thing in in according to the Commonwealth is that they tried to cover it up and that makes it even worse. You know, I think when the [ __ ] started to hit the fan and they knew [ __ ] was going to come down, that's where they started to, you know, cover all this attempted to cover all this up and, you know, and that's where they got caught. But a lot of it is that I'm just so glad that people came out and spoke because this could have just went into silence and then no one would have known anything. You know, everybody could have zipped, you know, zipped their lip and just said, "Fuck this. I'm not saying anything." But, you know, the reason for the the length in the investigation, you know, almost 19 months, you know, a 9-month investigation is, you know, from what I've learned is the minute this happens, what does everybody do? union representatives and lawyers and that tends to slow everything down and probably having to cut some deals with people and you know it'll all come out.

[01:04:17]It'll all come out in trial. Um we'll hear about it. We'll know about it and uh I'm really looking forward to to getting in there and hearing you know all of this discovery in this case as it comes out in trial. And uh I'll be there I'll be there as much as I can all all along the way to support the Doug Garcia family to uh to support this case on my on my channel and and you know keep writing about it and talking about it and being there as much as I can to support. So um I don't know. That's going to be it. That's going to be it guys. Short show tonight. Um I'm working on some other content. I have a story about Jennifer Penton that will be coming out. I'm probably going to launch probably drop that tonight. I have to just finish up a couple of things. So, um, keep an eye out for that story. I'll drop it over on X. I'll drop it over on my Facebook, my Facebook page, and also, um, it will be up on my website. So, please, uh, check that out.

[01:05:12]Uh, so from what I'm understanding, Aaron, I mean, 150 witnesses, I'm pretty sure that some other troopers or at least recruits came forward. I mean, we don't know all the particulars yet. Um, I haven't really heard much about it, but I mean, we can only speculate at this point, but I'm pretty sure. I mean, we know it's in the charging document.

[01:05:33]We do know that there were recruits that came forward and said, "Hey, look, the day before when we did this other boxing, you know, unauthorized boxing match. These are things that Enrique complained about." So, we have some of those people. And I think probably once some of those recruits came forward, they started to understand the seriousness of this. And you know, there were probably some conversations going on like, you know, we need we need the truth and the ultimate truth in this case. Someone died and um you know, we need to know what you know. So, um from what I know, you know, that's it. That's all I know. Aaron says, "Thank you, Brian. I didn't realize how bad this really was." You know, I urge everybody, please go back and watch me reading the charging document, and I'll I'll drop that right now so you can go back.

[01:06:21]You got to hear the charging document.

[01:06:25]Yeah, I got it here.

[01:06:27]I'll drop that so you can understand what happened in the case. If you don't want to hear my commentary over it, just go right to LTL Media News and I'll actually drop that link for you if you want to just read it and you don't want to hear me read it.

[01:06:43]Let's see. Commonwealth State of the Case. I'll drop that link in the chat, too, if you want to just read it. It's on my website. Cool. There it is.

[01:06:51]Um, okay. There goes that link. All right, I'm going to wrap this one up. Short show tonight. Appreciate everybody jumping in. Thank you for the support.

[01:07:00]Thank you subscribers, uh, moderators and members. Um, I will, uh, you know, keep reporting on this case. Uh, I'll be doing some other live shows this week.

[01:07:11]Uh, digging into some other things. I want to get back into Kiron Lopes's case as well. And, uh, maybe talk a little Sandra Burchmore and get caught up on that. It's a lot of emotions and things moving in that case as well. I know uh Mike from the Young Jerks last night had Mizzy on. If you haven't watched that show, go over and check out his show. Uh he did a a long show with Mizzy last night and uh I like to kind of catch up in that case because I was covering that. We're going to have a little bit of time now, about a month uh in between the next hearing and uh I'll keep plugging away, talking to sources, seeing what I can come up with and let you guys know if there's any changes or anything comes up in this case. So, thank you all for being here. I appreciate you all being here and uh I'll talk to you all soon. Take care.

[01:07:52]Have a good night. Peace.

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