Makers Making Podcast Ep. 26

Added: 2026-06-01

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[00:00:04]>> And welcome to the Makers Making podcast where points are awarded but score doesn't matter. I'm joined here tonight with our buddy Wth the Arnold Schwarzenegger of Printing David.

[00:00:19]Everybody's favorite heathen, Mr. Makerville. Right.

[00:00:25]how we do it, aka Brad, a supporter of many creators, awesome member of the community, as well as Jonathan returning for a second time. Jonathan, welcome back, bud.

[00:00:40]>> Thank you.

[00:00:41]>> So, um we are missing uh Captain tonight. Uh he's uh dealing with some family medical stuff. So, our uh thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. Um, other than that, guys, uh we'll jump into it with uh a little bit of what everybody's doing. Um I've been in the process of building a bunch of blasters.

[00:01:11]Nobody's watching my blaster shorts hurt.

[00:01:15]Um dude, I don't know what it is. the algor like I yesterday I posted two shorts.

[00:01:24]All right. One of them was on a Nerf blaster. Eight views all day. All right. The other one was just the wheel hub of the Cadillac wobbling like 2,000 views in 20 minutes. Like hair.

[00:01:47]And the day before I did a Nerf blaster video, it's like 24 views total, like ever. I I'm pretty sure uh YouTube doesn't does not like my Nerf blaster.

[00:01:59]>> The batteries are charging.

[00:02:00]>> Um >> but yeah, I've been working on that.

[00:02:04]Working on stealth changer stuff.

[00:02:06]>> I got parts on the printer I need to pull off.

[00:02:09]>> What about you, Reth? What have you been up to >> right now? I am counting toys. I have Let's see if we can do this. A whole bunch of toys there. counting. Um, it's all sloth. And then tomorrow we are going to give away toys at Sunday. No, next week we're giving away toys at Pridefest.

[00:02:30]So, I got to clean those up and count them tomorrow and put little business cards on them. And then I'm also going to be turning the 350 V2 into a 250 Trident. I'm basically just gonna redo it because we need the we don't have enough space for all the 350s we have.

[00:02:49]So, I gotta make room.

[00:02:52]>> That's what I'm up to.

[00:02:52]>> That's a rough transition. You got that Mandela Rose Works uh uh bed kinematics on there. I see. How you like that?

[00:03:02]>> Um I don't see a difference in doing first layers. What I do see the difference is in maintenance.

[00:03:11]So, if you've got to I have I have all the wires going to wiggos on top. So, if you've got to like flip the printer and do sort of wiring maintenance or anything like that, it's so easy just to pop the WOO, pop all the wires out, and then just take the bed right off. So, from a a functional point of view of like first layer issues, I don't really see it as helpful, but from a maintenance point of view, it's very helpful.

[00:03:39]>> Nice.

[00:03:40]I don't know if it's worth the money, but >> I was talking to him at uh Rocky Mountain and I talked to him at Murf last year and uh I really would love to put their system on the tri deck. Um I I think that >> is that is a loud keyboard.

[00:04:03]>> Yeah.

[00:04:06]>> Where it would do the most. I have it on the Trident. I have I have um two two of them on Trident and they help out too for the same reason. Like if you if you um you want to swap a nozzle and you're you forgot to move the Z down before you power it off or whatever or whatever you're doing, you can just pick the bed up, move it back, and it's put it right back and you're fine. You're good to go.

[00:04:34]So maintenance point of views, I I think it's worth it, but functional or practical, I I'm not seeing a big difference.

[00:04:43]>> The thing that I like about the Trident is not only the kinematic system, but it's got those uh different Z-wobble things.

[00:04:52]Um >> I have those two. Um I my issue is on that one. So it works.

[00:05:01]It just doesn't conrict. It allows too much movement in the rear Z um such that the over time the lead screw you got the hole right and the lead screw will start pushing into the hole >> um because it allows it really allows a lot of movement. The front two are fine.

[00:05:20]>> It's that rear one but that might change with R2 because they they move some stuff around on that.

[00:05:27]>> Yeah. So I I don't know. I haven't put R2 on on that machine yet.

[00:05:32]I just got their new um their build sheet for the switch wire. The fire is it fire? Is that what it is?

[00:05:40]>> Yeah, that thing is sweet.

[00:05:43]>> That thing is >> Is that the one with the built-in wiring for heating?

[00:05:47]>> No, that's that's that's Dilpadiff's new bed. I got one of those for uh the V0.

[00:05:55]>> Okay.

[00:05:55]>> Um that thing I'm looking forward to that. That thing is going to be sweet.

[00:05:59]But uh because uh I the one that they had at Rocky Mountain, I saw them they had the that heat bed uh was up over at about 200 C.

[00:06:09]>> Really?

[00:06:10]>> And it was still climbing. Yeah.

[00:06:13]>> I mean I wanted one for >> because it started smoking but >> no >> I wanted one for the Micron. We were supposed to do a thing together. It just never happened. Oh, >> yeah. I'm still waiting for mine for the Mercury >> for the for the nebula. I'm I'm I'll be excited for that.

[00:06:32]>> We're supposed to do a frame.

[00:06:37]>> Nice.

[00:06:39]>> Actually, we're supposed to do two beds.

[00:06:40]We were supposed to do one for the micron, one for the NG, and then an NG frame.

[00:06:45]>> The So, Dilip, they do really good work.

[00:06:48]I really love them. Uh I think Bert is a is an awesome guy. Um, I think what people failed to to keep in mind with them is that um it's it's kind of like armored printing for them like like how armored printing is to me um is how uh Dilpadiff is to to Bert. Like he he does it on his off time. So um >> it's not the it's not his main job is >> it's not his it's not his main job. So, you know, >> hence the 6 to 8 week lead time, >> right? Yeah. So, you know, I would just say like, you know, get be patient with the man. And the the good thing about him, too, is that, you know, if you're crunched for time and you want your money back, he'll give you your money back.

[00:07:37]>> Yeah.

[00:07:38]>> No, this was this was like sponsorship and stuff. and and I'm not I'm not terribly fussed about it because uh me getting that means that somebody else is waiting longer. So >> that yeah that and that's what I told him with uh with my Nebula build uh when we did that together. Um I I told I told him I was like you know I was like just take your time with it. Get the paying customers out the door first like like don't like don't if if you don't get to me you don't get to me. It is what it is. Like um but you know, focus on the paying customers cuz you know, one they paid money and two you need the money to keep going. So, but uh but the new the new build sheet from Mandela Rosework is really nice. Um I've had zero adhesion issues with the switch wire. And actually, the reason why I got it is because when I was talking with um oh my god, what's his name from a minute? Is it is it Wade? I want to say Wade.

[00:08:42]>> Yeah.

[00:08:42]>> Uh uh when I was talking with him at Rocky Mountain um he was telling me that the thickness of the build sheet allows you to use a Eddie probe uh with a bed with embedded magnets.

[00:08:56]Um, so I'm going to I'm going to try uh putting uh either a BD sensor or a cgrapher on the switch wire.

[00:09:06]>> That's a good idea.

[00:09:08]>> And with that, let's uh let's move over and talk to you, David. What do you got going on? Where you been from?

[00:09:13]>> Hey guys.

[00:09:14]>> Hi.

[00:09:16]>> Uh so me it's just another normal day in armored printing world. Um I've been working on a couple projects. Um, currently I am just for fun printing some helmets. Uh, I'm I'm finishing up.

[00:09:33]>> You don't need to cover up that pretty face, man. You don't plan on that.

[00:09:38]>> It's It's for my shelf, you know. I need to I need to I need to add to my collection. My My collection is looking a little thin right now. So, um I I've been I'm working on a Mandalorian helmet. Um, I just finished, actually the XL just stopped printing right now.

[00:09:56]Um, my my Sentinel helmet. Um, so I'll be doing the Sentinel helmet next. And then I don't know if you guys saw in Tuesday's stream, but I just finished uh putting together a giant sword uh that I'm that I just today filled all the all the seams. Um, so I'll give that a light sand and prime it tomorrow probably and get that ready for paint.

[00:10:22]So, >> you ever take your your daughters to school wearing a wearing a helmet to embarrass them?

[00:10:28]>> Not yet. She's still she's still in kindergarten.

[00:10:32]>> It wouldn't be embarrassing.

[00:10:35]>> My No, no, she wouldn't be embarrassed.

[00:10:36]She'd ask me, you know what she would do? If I if I went to go drop her off and I was This is I swear to God. If I was wearing my Mandalorian helmet, she would be wearing her Minions helmet.

[00:10:48]That that that is my that is my little girl. She uh I I thought it was funny.

[00:10:53]Yosh Studios came out with a Minions helmet. Um I think it was a couple months ago. So, my daughter being obsessed with them, I had to print her one. And every once in a while, she'll put it on and think it's the funniest thing.

[00:11:07]Jose, what's up, dude?

[00:11:09]>> What's up, Jose? B dog Aaron I didn't even say hi to chat. Hey chat, how are all you guys doing tonight? Thanks for joining us on this beautiful Friday.

[00:11:20]>> We got a lot of >> and then and then of course it wouldn't be a a stream with uh with with me in it if I didn't have my >> my trusty side my my trusty sidekick with me.

[00:11:34]>> I could use one. Everybody want to donate to the Corona Beer Fund? But but yeah, I mean my one of one of my big things this year is uh >> packed animals. They travel in sixes.

[00:11:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. One of my one of my big things this year is I want to focus more on printing versus uh just the building of the printers. I did all I did a lot of building printers last year. Um I want to do more printing this year.

[00:12:01]>> Yeah, I've been working on that. I tell you what. Uh, so this last blaster I printed, the one that I built today, I actually printed in some pimate filament. That mystic brown, do you recognize this?

[00:12:15]>> Uh, I don't What one is that?

[00:12:19]>> I know what it looks like, but I don't.

[00:12:22]>> Just be careful. We're on YouTube. E, >> I can't share the completed blaster or anything. It's not It's not completed.

[00:12:28]Does that Does that help?

[00:12:33]That's um Helm. Uh it looks like tor >> uh it's the links. The links >> links.

[00:12:44]>> Uh I haven't built links.

[00:12:46]>> Yeah, that so this is uh this is actually Jesse filament. So the the this is actually like a uh it's the I don't know if it's yellow or whatever, but this is the Jesse PLA and then this is the their purple and then the orange is prusamin.

[00:13:01]Nice.

[00:13:03]Yeah, I'm really happy with how nice the person that prints that. And I'm really happy with how well the uh >> as as you can see, I'm I'm getting a little bit I'm getting a low. It's almost time for a restock.

[00:13:15]>> This is uh protoasta is the end of my blood of my enemies.

[00:13:20]>> Oh, nice. I do I do pasta stuff. Yeah, that that's good stuff.

[00:13:28]It's been sitting there on a shelf and I was like there there's not a whole lot of this left. I don't really know what to print with it. And then this came up and I was like okay well I ran out of the uh Starlight Mars from Poly Maker. I was like this will work well the face plate to the Sentinel print.

[00:13:50]Nice.

[00:13:52]Hey Dave, is Prussa Do you know if the Prussant's going to go to cardboard spools?

[00:13:57]>> No, I doubt it. [ __ ] hope not.

[00:13:59]>> I I highly dou I highly doubt. They just um they they just redid their current spools.

[00:14:06]>> It is. You know what? That's so hard for me to break them apart to throw them away.

[00:14:13]>> So I'm torn, right? So I understand why people >> I'm right >> what cardboard um spools for the eco-friendliness of them or whatever >> I I just burn them.

[00:14:32]But I would rather have a spool that, you know, the edges don't mess up so that they feed off of a rep rack fine.

[00:14:41]They feed in the, you know, AMS systems fine. Right. The the cardboard stuff is always questionable. You You get a little ding or a little bend on it and then all of a sudden they don't want to do like >> That's why that's why you don't use the AMS.

[00:14:58]Well, you know, >> or that's why you print these things.

[00:15:04]>> I don't have I don't even have that as an option right now.

[00:15:07]>> Take take me off the the main the main focus so that we can see the rest of you guys.

[00:15:12]>> Yeah, we're going to move on. I'm not I'm not I'm not that important.

[00:15:16]>> We're going to move on. We'll talk about uh what Mr. Maker Millite's doing.

[00:15:22]>> They have caught me designing right now.

[00:15:25]Sorry about that.

[00:15:28]Uh, good afternoon, good evening, good morning. My name is Maker Milwright. I'm from the re free healing workshop. Happy to be here on Punches with Daddy's Garage. Hello, Alex. How are you doing?

[00:15:37]Hello, Ref. Hello, Mr. Rabido. David, nice to meet you. And howdy dudy. How are you, my friend? Um, sorry, I was listening to you guys talk about filament and machines and I am sort of doing a design trying to catch up on a few things here just before Murf. Uh if you guys don't know, I will be live at Midwest Rep Festival. Uh we have a bunch of local uh manufacturers in the United States that'll have product. We got a bunch of maker chips coming down, some custom maker chips and some stickers. Uh I am working on both of my um my charity uh event right now and my um so I I've got some charity stuff going on. Uh I've got some milling going on. I'm actually just fixing up a a design I did two years ago which needs tuning. It's getting cleaned up, but uh you know I if I can I'll I'll sneak a chance into design when no one's watching me. And uh yeah, nice to meet you all. Uh I'm a maker, designer, general jack of all trades.

[00:16:45]>> No, it does not. Um so yeah, w uh yeah, thanks for putting me on the spot, Alex.

[00:16:50]Appreciate that.

[00:16:54]Good one, Captain. Good one, Captain.

[00:16:57]>> Move over to Jonathan. Jonathan, what you been up to, man?

[00:17:00]>> Been um working on the death racer.

[00:17:02]Hoping to get that done for for Murf in two weeks. It's getting a little tight, but we'll see. Hopefully make good progress tomorrow on it.

[00:17:09]>> Did you go with the uh standard uh standard one? Yeah, everything's everything's standard kit other than the uh carbon rod because I broke the first one and a few more trying to drill holes to fix the broken one.

[00:17:29]>> Now, I've got a very question for you.

[00:17:32]Okay.

[00:17:33]>> As a guy who likes uh barbecue and hot sauce, is that barbecue giant jugs of barbecue and hot sauce on the shelf behind you?

[00:17:41]>> Yes, they are.

[00:17:43]>> Perfect.

[00:17:46]That's >> my guy loves restaurant supply venues. I can see it.

[00:17:55]>> And uh Brad keeps losing connection and gaining connection. So if he comes back, we'll talk to him about what he's been up to. Um but uh other than that, guys, uh so news this week, there's been some announcements, some hints, some teases at some different things. Um, let me see if I can pull up my Google doc that I made earlier.

[00:18:21]>> Oh, we didn't get the pre-show today. I see how it is. I see how it is.

[00:18:28]>> What is this? What is this? What is this? What is this?

[00:18:32]No. Uh, like Cap normally puts that together.

[00:18:36]Um, >> that's fine. I blame Cap for everything, too. So, >> so whoa. Take this over here.

[00:18:44]>> He said he he made a document. He's uploading it. Hold on.

[00:18:49]>> Oh, don't don't don't help him.

[00:18:52]>> No. Do it now. Do it now.

[00:18:54]>> Don't Don't help him. Absolutely not.

[00:18:57]>> No, no, no. Do it. Do it.

[00:18:59]>> I I blame I blame Karna.

[00:19:02]>> So, uh, Creity has I don't know if it's an announcement or a tease. I think actually they're supposed to do a live stream uh shortly after we're done or when we're finished.

[00:19:12]>> What is What is [ __ ] ek?

[00:19:15]>> It is >> sounds very sexual in nature.

[00:19:19]>> A lot I feel like a lot of people in this community aren't going to find it.

[00:19:23]>> Yeah.

[00:19:31]>> You know, I tell you everything I've ever seen.

[00:19:33]>> Can I say Can I say that? Can I say that?

[00:19:39]I still struggle, man. I still struggle.

[00:19:46]>> Um, >> Mike Mike said he's been looking for that. Good luck, Mike.

[00:19:52]>> Let let us let us know when you find it.

[00:19:57]>> It's a tool changer in the spirit of index, which uh >> Oh, it's an index copy, huh?

[00:20:03]>> Yes.

[00:20:04]>> Yeah. There. Yeah. They're they're coming.

[00:20:07]>> Um, looks like they've been doing some uh so uh instead of just being an extruder at the tool head, they've got a second extruder so that it's feeding from the back and from the tool head at the same time. Um how they're synchronizing them I don't know but uh they claim to be synchronizing them uh uh making it easier for TPU to feed uh more consistently and so forth and so on. Now whether that means that's just on one of the the tool heads or on all of them I don't know. So the question is if it if it's a copy of Bontech and Bontex we kind of know the price on Bond right about 350 or 500 for a four tool set where are they value engineering because it's going to be cheaper. So what are they going to do to get that price down below that >> ties to manufacturing to start with?

[00:21:07]Right.

[00:21:09]>> Copy somebody else's homework. No, just for the for the sheer fact that their government is going to subsidize it.

[00:21:15]They don't have to worry about pricing.

[00:21:17]They can price it whatever they want.

[00:21:19]Their government's going to bail them out just like the US does with Ford and GM.

[00:21:24]>> Yeah, but there's going to be some I mean it's not going to be a one for one copy. I I haven't looked into it. I don't know what >> No, it's not it's not going to be one to one copy. I mean >> contest has on it either.

[00:21:33]>> I mean the quality the quality isn't going to be there but >> So So you think they're going to skimp on the quality? uh parts will break more often or something like that.

[00:21:42]>> That would be my guess.

[00:21:43]>> Okay.

[00:21:45]>> That that would be my guess. My guess would be um >> right to the bottom of Cality.

[00:21:51]>> Yep. Yep. That's the That's the unfortunate nature of printing.

[00:21:57]>> I think they'll come out with actually decent machine. Might have some issues at first like they only do, but I think they'll be more firmware related addressed that way. Does um Creity uh do Clipper or do they make their own version of Clipper?

[00:22:13]>> It's a it's a it's a fork of Clipper I believe.

[00:22:15]>> So So the firmware is going to be screwy then, right?

[00:22:18]>> Uh it'll it'll probably be clunky. I feel like the like the K like my experience with the K1 uh and K1 Max has been pretty clunky. Um so I I would I would expect something similar.

[00:22:32]me person.

[00:22:34]>> They're also claiming to be able to mix nozzle sizes in a print, which means that they're doing some work on slicers.

[00:22:40]And I wonder if that's going to get fed back to which they're probably cloning Orca slicer. I wonder if that'll get fed back.

[00:22:49]>> Be right back. I'm going to go grab this helmet off the printer because I know that's a thing that a lot of folk have been struggling with and wanting. But, uh, >> doesn't Orca allow you to use a different nozzle sizes for a tune changer already?

[00:23:06]>> Uh, you know, I don't I don't know. I couldn't say one way or the other. Um, not having a machine that would do anything like that. Uh, the only operable filament switching thing I have right now is uh uh the enrage rabbit carrot feeder on the switch wire.

[00:23:32]So, I don't really know. I had to take box turtle off and all but all that stuff is single tool head stuff. So, >> yeah. I thought I thought Orca had some setting in there where you could set a uh one of the um like the infill or something like that to a single uh a different nozzle size. I I could be mistaken. I don't use Orca >> with uh the Snap Makers cuz the Snapmaker dual extrusion head is available. Uh you're able to switch like you can have a two and an eight, you can have, you know, a four and a six. It doesn't matter. It does it just calculates the math for the flow path.

[00:24:11]So it doesn't And then you can you can modify speeds and everything too. So it's it's all relative, right? It works good. My I did two and four and that worked pretty good. So that's like I assume with the tool swappers it' be much the same.

[00:24:30]>> You talking nozzle sizes?

[00:24:32]>> Yeah.

[00:24:34]>> And did the the slicer know about the nozzle slice uh sizes?

[00:24:37]>> Yep. Yep. Yeah. Orca Orca was really easy. It's cuz like it divides the two head like it'll it's your typical configuration for a single nozzle and it just adds a second nozzle configuration beside it. You just switch over switch over to the second nozzle and choose.

[00:24:56]>> It's a lot of freaking supports.

[00:25:02]>> Yeah, it does warn that it's experimental. Uh, again, the Snapmaker one isn't because it's like they have a dual extrusion head, so it allows you to switch and they're like they're quick change hotends, right? So, >> the same thing with the J1 as well.

[00:25:23]But then the other thing that kind of showed up uh yesterday uh was the Bamboo A2L um which is going to be a very large uh A1 um with a build volume of 330 by 320 by 325. So that's a that's a very large bed slinger. Um, looks like the only thing you're losing for that is max build plate temps dropping down to ADC, which is understandable cuz I think they're using 24 bed.

[00:26:04]>> It's going to it's going to I mean, yeah, it's going to be a PLA uh printer, >> but yeah, exactly.

[00:26:10]>> Man, nylon pet G.

[00:26:14]>> You're not printing nylon on that.

[00:26:16]>> I have. on the A1.

[00:26:19]>> Yep.

[00:26:20]>> Okay.

[00:26:23]>> I don't see so not talking about the company itself, but I don't really see a point in having a super large um bed swinger >> because as you go taller, right, that bed is still moving >> and so you start getting this little wobble that's going to naturally happen.

[00:26:44]Yeah, it looks like they've got some uh some rear supports on that thing back there.

[00:26:51]>> Yeah, but so so did the Creality CR10 V3.

[00:26:56]>> I mean, it's more of like the model itself, right? So, like the model itself is going to vibrate >> even with input shaping. There's going to be some sort of of wobble at the very top. Um, so why would you I I wouldn't buy it, but why would any of you guys know why you would buy a bed slinger this big?

[00:27:16]>> Well, let's say >> Yeah, let's say you're printing cosplay stuff. Uh, so everything you're printing is PLA PETG. You don't want to drop, you know, $2,500 on an H2D to get that build volume or an H2S to get that build volume.

[00:27:36]I don't even think Do you even get that build volume with H2S?

[00:27:39]>> Uh, no. It's bigger on one dimension and smaller on the other.

[00:27:45]>> And I don't think you get the Z height.

[00:27:48]>> I don't think so either.

[00:27:50]>> But aren't there some other like Corxy and like Chi or some of those other companies that are this big?

[00:27:56]>> I know, but there I don't think they're ever going to hit the price point of this. I mean, you have the the SV8, which is um a $500 printer that I thought was phenomenal. I still have mine. I love mine. Um and that one was um 350 350 by 345.

[00:28:15]Um and that and that that printer I thought was one of the best bang for the bucks that I've ever um had the like that for a printer that I've ever purchased.

[00:28:29]I I run a 400 cubed and it's I use it for doing like furniture and like planters and things like that.

[00:28:37]>> Was that the any any uh any cubic cobra uh max or whatever?

[00:28:41]>> No, Snapmaker Artisan.

[00:28:44]>> Okay.

[00:28:46]>> Yeah. I mean, so let's be honest. It's probably not for the folks that are coming on the stream, and it's probably not for the folks that are going to watch this.

[00:28:57]>> Uh, it's for people that are going to make giant flexi dragons.

[00:29:01]>> Yeah.

[00:29:02]>> No, I make cosplay on it. I make furniture on it. I make like cuz like you can make anything with it depending like again, it all depends on your like the the temperature inside the box.

[00:29:14]>> Why slinger? Why? Why a beds slinger?

[00:29:17]>> What?

[00:29:17]>> What's wrong What's wrong with cartisian machines?

[00:29:20]>> It's There's nothing wrong with cartisian. It's the bedser.

[00:29:23]>> Right. Right. I I don't Yeah. Why the bed Why make a big beds slinger? Right.

[00:29:27]Like what what what purpose does that fill when you can go get a core XY print the same same size bed and print it faster without worrying about the top of the the print? You know, if you get really high in the 325, your top is going to start wobbling. Why why worry about that? Why don't >> my biggest machines at like four like pre this 400 I had was a 310 with by a 350 and I when I was doing cosplay stuff at full max volume I didn't get that wobble issue. So again that was like >> how fast were you printing?

[00:30:03]>> Uh like 150 something like that. Yeah >> of what it sells like a thousand >> 2K something like that. But this was like that was a Sunlu S8. That was years ago. And like great for prop building, but again, you're going with fatter layer lines. You're going with, you know, you're running hotter. And I I've never like the problems most people run into. I don't. So like I I don't really know. Uh but I like larger bill plate volume. Like I guess 300 is like what I would recommend max plate volume for pretty much anybody. Whether it be, you know, a flying gantry or or a Cartisian, it don't matter, right? like it it it the whole the whole issue with the like you said before the whole issue with that big piece of aluminum or whatever that is supporting your bill plate moving back and forth that produces so much torque that you are going to get that wobble. I've never never really had a problem with them personally and I make big stuff, right? I can't show most of it cuz it's props, but so for me, right, I've got uh my tallest Z- height printer is a CR10, right?

[00:31:20]>> Yep. And 99% of the time something that I was printing that tall, I was wanting it in PLA anyway.

[00:31:31]And I didn't care how long it took. I'd print it slow as [ __ ] and come back in 3 days. I don't care. Yeah, I think Phil makes a good point, too, is that um the beds slingers are still uh less expensive to manufacture and cheaper to ship because you can flat pack them.

[00:31:48]Yeah, >> I think Phil makes an excellent point in everything that >> I mean to me.

[00:31:55]>> Right.

[00:31:55]>> I mean, I think you'll see a lot of parents buying those for their kids, unknowing really what the cons of the beds are.

[00:32:03]>> They're like, "Oh, big big printer."

[00:32:05]That's what they'll see.

[00:32:07]>> Cons of the company.

[00:32:09]>> Sorry.

[00:32:13]>> So, so that brings up a second question.

[00:32:15]Is this coming out to remove the talk or or distract from the talk of the A1's potentially burning down?

[00:32:24]>> I don't know. Maybe.

[00:32:26]>> No, it's this is coming out to fill that gap.

[00:32:28]>> Redesign some stuff.

[00:32:30]>> That That's what it is. It it this is everybody's always wanting bigger machines. There's always that demand bigger bigger bigger with, you know, a 256 bill plate is a good size. But that's that's what this is is it's without a doubt this is the other companies are coming out with with bigger plates and >> I think he means I think he means timing >> well >> oh the timing it's pre pre-built scheduling so like they they probably decided to do this eight months ago >> I don't know >> with with the uh am I >> I honestly don't think Bamboo cares about the negative negative press >> Bamboo Bamboo cares about disrupting the market. That's it.

[00:33:13]>> It's a It's attention for them.

[00:33:16]>> Yes.

[00:33:16]>> And they know such a small percentage of people that buy their printers >> would ever even care about it.

[00:33:27]>> Yeah.

[00:33:28]>> We were talking about this the other night in the Discord. In all honesty, 90% of their market base has never even heard of their bad PR.

[00:33:38]>> Yeah.

[00:33:39]Why? Why gray and white?

[00:33:40]>> Sure.

[00:33:42]>> I'd venture a guess that overnight because of their market base doesn't know what opensource software means.

[00:33:50]>> I would agree.

[00:33:54]>> You know, let alone care about it.

[00:33:57]>> So, why why gray and white?

[00:33:59]>> I'm I'm going to paint it.

[00:34:00]>> Oh, okay.

[00:34:01]>> That is a sick looking helmet.

[00:34:02]>> What material?

[00:34:04]>> It's just PLA.

[00:34:06]>> Did you go with like cause PLA? Did you go with a PLA plus, Polymax, things like that, or what did you choose?

[00:34:12]>> Uh, Prussant and uh the dark the dark gray is actually a roll of Sunloo PLA 2.0 >> that they that they g they gave me at Rocky Mountain.

[00:34:24]>> Yeah.

[00:34:25]>> Well, Bamboo didn't make yet another build plate size. The 330 has been out for a long time.

[00:34:31]>> There's a lot of printers that use 330 >> from bamboo. Not from bamboo, but >> I think I think I think that's what the comment uh was for. It's a new It's a new size for for them.

[00:34:44]>> For them, yes.

[00:34:46]>> But but yeah, for Yeah. 330. Uh there there's definitely been other printers for 330.

[00:34:52]>> But you got to remember like the efficiency of those heated beds, the bigger you get, the less efficient they are. Not only that, but the more power wasting they are. Yeah, another thing that people >> I can verify that the the uh um the Ender 3 Max Neo has the longest heat up time in history, just to let you know.

[00:35:11]>> Uh which is why it'll turn into an Ender 3 Max and G, both of them very soon.

[00:35:17]>> Yeah. which is which is also why Prussa went with 300 by 300 build plate for the Core 1 uh for the Core 1L because um when you go larger than that um heating becomes a little less efficient >> breath it's price it's price point that's why they do it that way >> cuz like the CXY machines are just that much more complicated that it's it's pure price point it's so they can keep their price point as low as possible without a doubt Yeah, >> without a doubt.

[00:35:49]>> I don't I don't I don't I I don't think so. I don't think so. Because you look at the manufacturing, right? And you compare all the parts that are in this thing versus all the parts that >> you're you're not losing that much plastic, right? Because most of the machine's plastic with maybe a metal frame, but I don't know if it's just price. I I don't think it's >> it'd be shipping. Do you know what the price on this is? What this is going to be?

[00:36:15]>> No.

[00:36:17]we do not know yet.

[00:36:17]>> Probably about $100 more cuz you've got the P2S that they're going to need to price it under.

[00:36:28]>> So, I'm not sure I don't I don't I don't think they need to price it below the P2S just because they're two different machines. They're not they're not competing with each other. A person who who's going to buy the in >> Well, I think it needs to probably come in below the P1S price though. P1S. I mean, the P1S is kind of irrelevant.

[00:36:48]>> That's been discontinued.

[00:36:50]>> Yeah, the the the the P1S is is is is just history to to Bamboo. They don't care about that anymore. Um >> I I I would say the the it'd probably be 150 to 200 more than the A1.

[00:37:08]That that would be that would be >> uh right now they're estimating the price of the A2L combo at 529.

[00:37:17]>> So basically the same price as the A1 combo.

[00:37:20]>> Yes.

[00:37:23]>> So maybe they're just moving away because we we have been expecting an A2 for a while. Maybe that's >> I think the A1's going to go away. I I think this this is a matter of >> I think a portion of it is a matter of the bad press.

[00:37:38]and the fires because if they can just make the product go away then the you know the the argument that causes fires well no that machine is discontinued.

[00:37:48]>> Yeah. Yeah. We we realized that there was there was a underlying issue with that so we discontinued it.

[00:37:53]>> Right. Right. Now we have this better machine. It's the A2L. I think >> bigger >> bigger. Yeah.

[00:38:01]>> It just it makes bigger fires.

[00:38:03]>> Yeah. But it it would make the the the conversation over the A1 go away because it would no longer be if it's priced at the same point. There's no point in making that one too.

[00:38:15]>> I mean, it would have been it would have been interesting to be, you know, the fly on the wall in in the boardroom, you know, on that discussion. Um, so are we going to launch this thing early to avoid this nightmare >> or to put the nightmare to rest? Right.

[00:38:30]>> Exactly. I see the A1 mini going away entirely with no replacement coming, >> which I actually think that would be a huge mistake.

[00:38:39]>> I think that's a huge mistake if they did that because >> I I think the A1 is more valuable to them than the A1 mini. I mean, I'm sorry, the other way around. I think the A1 mini is more valuable to the A1. buys bamboo machines, but I think the A1 Mini is such an intricately awesome little machine >> that that is like if you want if you're a parent and you want to buy your kid a a 3D printer that's the perfect size.

[00:39:05]It's like one thing at a time. It does multiolor. It's cheap.

[00:39:09]>> You know, so many Yeah, that's I don't see that going away at all.

[00:39:14]>> The only thing they could do is improve upon it and make it just slightly better. some of the original bugs, but keep it exactly the same.

[00:39:23]>> Like on the A1 Mini, it's the arm that hits the uh the knife to cut the filament.

[00:39:28]>> Yeah, >> that [ __ ] needs to be reinforced with metal cuz I broke it. I broke three of those arms.

[00:39:36]>> Just fix a few of those little bugs.

[00:39:38]That extruder problem that they had that they still haven't fixed.

[00:39:42]>> They're not going to. It's it's it's value engineered as low as it can go.

[00:39:46]They're not going to fix anything on it >> cuz people buy them.

[00:39:49]>> So, what they what they'll do is they'll they'll make a couple upgrades to it and they'll call it the A2 Mini.

[00:39:56]>> Yep.

[00:39:57]>> No, that's that's that's what's going to happen. We saw it with the P2S or the P2. Sorry.

[00:40:02]>> Hey, can we just can we just please pray that they mess up and call it the 2A mini?

[00:40:09]>> The what?

[00:40:11]>> Good one, Captain.

[00:40:12]>> Did nobody get the joke? Come on now.

[00:40:13]>> No. No. So you went over my head just >> I totally got the joke.

[00:40:19]>> So then next up in news, there's a aligu teaser for a release on the 4th. Um, I'm going to wager this is going to be a a uh century carbon style machine, but instead the weird multiolor thing they've got now, I think they'll go to an AMS style that just sits on top of the machine.

[00:40:50]And you don't have to have a giant top hat thing or >> I I I imagine it would be a larger format Century Carbon.

[00:40:59]>> It might be David.

[00:41:01]>> Huh.

[00:41:04]>> Yeah, I think it's going to be a larger machine, too.

[00:41:06]>> I think it'll be a 350. Yeah, that'd be my guess, >> cuz that's what makes me think the X is for >> I do know through some of the research that I did today out in the car um that they are also announcing a new resin printer.

[00:41:24]>> Yeah.

[00:41:24]>> So, there's going to be two announcements.

[00:41:26]>> I'd be interested in that. I I got to I got to get into resin printing.

[00:41:30]>> Oh, man.

[00:41:32]>> I don't think you have enough basement for resin printing.

[00:41:35]>> I have garage for basement printing. I need for a resin printing >> cuz resin stinks.

[00:41:41]>> I have >> projects >> in dad's garage, too. Confirmed.

[00:41:49]>> Just wear your wear your mask. You don't want an allergy.

[00:41:54]>> What do you mean?

[00:41:56]>> Industrial rev resins typically will give you like a an allergy. Not necessarily. The the material is probably stable and safe to some point or some degree. If all if all the explosives that I breathe didn't give me something, then then I'm not I'm not >> It's actually It's probably way worse than that.

[00:42:13]>> So much. It explains so much.

[00:42:15]>> So the whole thing on on resin is all toxic from the fume to the materials itself.

[00:42:20]>> I mean, it's not it's not a safe thing to have in your house.

[00:42:23]>> They also tell you it tastes funny.

[00:42:25]>> They they also said don't eat don't cook with C4. But >> yeah. Okay.

[00:42:32]>> Okay. So, I've got a question. Uh, let me get rid of this.

[00:42:38]Uh, bring it back around here. Rest.

[00:42:42]>> Back. Back around.

[00:42:43]>> David, uh, >> you guys have both built plenty of borons. These tools are in the boron STL files. What in the hell are these two things for?

[00:42:58]>> Share. Share the screen.

[00:43:00]>> Go bigger.

[00:43:00]>> Wondering that for >> Make it bigger. Yeah, man. You're too small.

[00:43:05]>> I can't see you, man. I need glasses.

[00:43:06]>> Wrong screen.

[00:43:07]>> Okay, this one.

[00:43:10]There's this.

[00:43:12]>> I have no idea.

[00:43:13]>> And there's this.

[00:43:16]Well, that is a measuring tool.

[00:43:18]>> They're both measuring tools, you silly Billy.

[00:43:21]>> Yeah, but that one that one you might have difficulty measuring.

[00:43:23]>> So, go back to the other one.

[00:43:27]>> I have no idea.

[00:43:30]>> I'm not I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not Yeah, I know where you're going. Tough guy.

[00:43:38]>> One one's for length and one's for girth.

[00:43:43]>> You You dirty You dirty man. You.

[00:43:45]>> All starting to make sense now.

[00:43:48]>> Dirty man.

[00:43:50]>> If you know, you know. John says.

[00:43:53]>> It's for It's for tool hood measurements.

[00:43:57]>> Are they?

[00:43:57]>> No. I I've never seen those before. I've never seen those before. I I I could I honest to God couldn't tell you what that's for.

[00:44:07]>> I have no clue.

[00:44:09]>> I thought maybe this one was like for measuring the distance between the uh extrusions for uh the bed mount.

[00:44:18]>> It could be.

[00:44:19]>> That's actually veryable.

[00:44:22]>> Or the uh was it was it the Trident or the V2?

[00:44:25]>> V2. Yeah.

[00:44:27]>> For the bed rail. You have a >> this one. I have no [ __ ] clue though.

[00:44:32]>> Why don't go over to your V2 and uh >> see where it fits.

[00:44:36]>> See if it fits in any spaces.

[00:44:42]>> The only tools I I print out are the ones for the rail.

[00:44:45]>> Wrong camera.

[00:44:47]>> The The only >> Yeah, I I print out those and the ones for the pulleys.

[00:44:53]>> Pulley >> or car?

[00:44:55]>> Yeah, the >> Oh, for the motor. For the motor. Yeah.

[00:44:58]the motor. Yeah, I agree.

[00:45:00]>> Yeah, that that one and the linear rails those only pulls different.

[00:45:05]>> I mean, it fits perfectly between the screw points for the bed rail.

[00:45:12]>> It could be a it could be a tool to place your um your your um freaking inserts, your nuts.

[00:45:22]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I have no idea what that's for.

[00:45:26]>> The Yeah. I they they don't call for it in the manual. So >> yeah, let's not start talking about nuts. This is a family show. All right, just >> uh [ __ ] This is not a family.

[00:45:38]Nobody told me that.

[00:45:41]>> They are now tools to help fill my trash bag.

[00:45:45]>> Well, they're both they're both dare not recycle.

[00:45:48]>> What What happened, guys? Like I I I brought two down. I thought two would last me, but I guess not.

[00:45:54]>> You thought this was a family show.

[00:45:55]That's what happened.

[00:46:02]>> All right. Um, can can we uh switch the topic to to Murf?

[00:46:08]>> Sure.

[00:46:11]>> When is that?

[00:46:12]>> All that is uh in a couple weeks.

[00:46:16]>> Oh, do any of you guys go to Japan this weekend?

[00:46:18]>> Uh, I wish.

[00:46:20]>> Uh, nope.

[00:46:22]>> I wish. Uh, Bile's there. Uh, Pstar 3D.

[00:46:28]>> What happened to you going? I thought uh thought the Bontech guys or the E3D guys were talking about bringing you out to >> You know what it was? They didn't want to hear my karaoke voice. I would have put them all to shame.

[00:46:42]>> That makes sense.

[00:46:43]>> You know what I mean? It's not about the show. It's about the karaoke afterwards.

[00:46:47]>> I mean, we did hear you at Rocky Mountain all the way up on the sixth floor. So, >> you got loud voice.

[00:46:57]Uh, >> Rocky Mount. Rocky Mountain is fun. I'm looking forward to Murf. I don't uh I'm actually more looking forward to it now that I saw the announcement that they will have air conditioning.

[00:47:09]Um, so so I'm looking forward Reth, are you going to Murf or No.

[00:47:14]>> No.

[00:47:15]>> No. That's too bad.

[00:47:18]>> You You know, David, that's all that means is that nobody's going to be in pavilion A. I don't even know what that means to be honest with you. I' I've never been to Murf.

[00:47:27]>> One is going to have AC and one is not.

[00:47:30]>> Yeah, there's going to be still doesn't have AC.

[00:47:33]>> Well, no, I think they they made an announcement that they they got the building with AC, >> right?

[00:47:40]>> Yeah. So, there's going to be overflow in the >> Oh, for overflow.

[00:47:44]>> Yeah. So all sponsors and then after sponsors come in uh like uh first come first serve into the AC building which is probably the building on the left the museum and then the first building on the right will be the main pavilion which has been the main pavilion for years and then yeah so all overflow if you're not a sponsor all the overflow will go into that.

[00:48:07]>> Is that the one that uh in the past has had the swamp?

[00:48:10]>> Yes.

[00:48:11]>> Okay.

[00:48:11]>> That's just because I wasn't there last year. It's bad life. Don't I I don't want to be in that one.

[00:48:18]I want the AC.

[00:48:21]>> Yeah.

[00:48:24]>> Um I It is looking like I will no longer be making it to Murf.

[00:48:31]>> I'm wounded.

[00:48:32]>> You were the whole reason I was going.

[00:48:34]I'm canceling my trip, canceling my sponsorships.

[00:48:38]So, uh, the long-term disability insurance folks have decided to pick a fight with me. Still haven't been paid in three months, and they've decided that they're going to argue with the doctors about their findings rather than pay me. So, >> I have no idea what's going to happen in my life, let alone with Murf. So, >> sounds like Sounds like the VA.

[00:49:07]Yeah, they might be related.

[00:49:09]>> Yeah.

[00:49:12]>> So, anybody that's fault with uh insurance companies knows the story all too well. I'm sure >> that sucks.

[00:49:22]That sucks. Yeah, I got I gota I got to book my chip trip, too. I uh I'll probably be doing that this weekend, trying to narrow down my flight. Apparently, you fly into Chicago and then >> I would look into I mean, you may fly into Chicago, but I mean, South like what I'm doing is technically I'm flying in a southbound, but I connect in Chicago, but an American puts me on a bus from Chicago to South Bend. It's wild car is cheaper that way and I don't have to pay the tolls going from Chicago. Oh, see I I would fly into Chicago and uh the rest of the Prussa team is getting a getting a rental, so I would just sit in the back.

[00:50:06]>> Okay. For you then that makes that makes sense on >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I plan I plan on sitting in the back seat and and sleeping unless they want me to drive because I'm probably going to be the only one from the US.

[00:50:21]>> I'm coming I'm coming through Chicago >> and and Czech Republic are bad drivers.

[00:50:28]Uh, no. If they I mean if if they want to get there quick, I'll drive.

[00:50:35]>> If you want to end up in South Dakota, they drive.

[00:50:42]>> Or maybe Colorado, they'll come visit you, Captain.

[00:50:44]>> I I will I will I will say this. Uh I had I had a fun experience with them uh in Colorado. Um, so we were we were going for a ride for dinner to go to a steakhouse and uh as we're driving um I'll leave names out of it, but the gentleman in the passenger seat got really excited when he saw In and Out uh out of the corner of his eyes. And I thought he was going to grab the steering wheel and pull the steering wheel to go to turn into the In-N-Out parking lot. Needless to say, we ended up going to In-N-Out instead of getting a steak dinner.

[00:51:24]>> Well, >> so >> which is fine. I I I've never been to In-N-Out. So, >> would it have been better if it was Five Guys?

[00:51:32]>> I would have No, I would have preferred No, because I have Five Guys here. I don't have uh I I don't have In-N-Out.

[00:51:38]>> He doesn't have steak dinner there either.

[00:51:40]>> I have steak dinners here. I have steak I I had I had steak tonight, Mr. W.

[00:51:47]It's just that there it wasn't being put on his card.

[00:51:52]>> Uh I probably would have still paid there, but I would have expensed it.

[00:52:01]>> I would have paid and just got >> I I I would have felt the pain initially, but I would have gotten it back. LTX, what's up, dude? What's up, buddy?

[00:52:12]>> LTX, you can come on and show off your wares, man. Um, by the way, Mike, I am very excited to meet you in person at Murf.

[00:52:22]>> Yeah.

[00:52:23]>> And you, you as you as well, Brad.

[00:52:26]These these are two uh gentlemen that have uh been longtime uh supporters of my channel uh for over over a year now.

[00:52:37]And uh this will be my first opportunity to meet uh both Brad and uh and Mike in person. So, I'm excited.

[00:52:45]>> Yes, >> they are awesome individuals. Can >> they They indeed.

[00:52:51]>> They're better. We We got to go find somewhere to get some ice cold Coronas.

[00:52:56]>> You're not going to buy him a steak dinner?

[00:52:59]>> I like how you turned your camera off to ask that.

[00:53:06]>> Say it to my face, Re.

[00:53:09]>> I I gotta change that print, man.

[00:53:11]>> Mhm. Oh, that means that that means you got to bend over for the for the printers under the table.

[00:53:17]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:53:18]>> It's a It's a family show. I get it.

[00:53:22]>> Printer crack, you know.

[00:53:25]>> Well, I hate to do this to you guys, but uh I I did tell my family I would uh do this for an hour. Um so I I have to jump off uh that way I can uh spend some time with the kiddos before bed. Um >> Yeah. Yeah. But uh it it's been it's been a blast talking with you gentlemen tonight and uh >> I will uh finish the rest of this later.

[00:53:47]So have a great night everybody.

[00:53:48]>> Hey David.

[00:53:49]>> Pleasure to meet you. Have a great day.

[00:53:50]>> What's up? What's up? What do you got?

[00:53:51]What's up before I go?

[00:53:53]>> Plug your channel and stuff. What do you got going on?

[00:53:57]>> Armored printing right there.

[00:54:00]>> Armored 3D printing. Armored printing takes you somewhere else.

[00:54:03]>> Armored No, armored. Armored printing.

[00:54:09]Yeah, if you're not subscribed, go check him out.

[00:54:12]>> Yeah, I I um I I stream Tuesdays and uh drink Corona and um do an awful job wiring printers. So, come join and make fun.

[00:54:25]>> Yep. Support the Personator.

[00:54:27]>> No, no, no, no, no, no. Armored printing. Prussa. Prussa is separate from me. I just work for them.

[00:54:34]>> Okay. Ju just just the Schwarzenegger of 3D printing over there. I >> be true friends and don't mention Prusso >> unless it's unless unless it's positive and then go for it.

[00:54:48]>> That's my theme. Just don't mention him.

[00:54:50]Just support him in his efforts.

[00:54:53]>> Yeah. Supported printing.

[00:54:55]>> Yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. It was good to have you. It was good to talk.

[00:54:58]>> Absolutely. Thank you. I'll talk to you guys later.

[00:54:59]>> See you later, Dave.

[00:55:00]>> Yeah. See you later.

[00:55:02]>> Bye.

[00:55:04]How do you leave?

[00:55:06]>> Close. Close the window.

[00:55:07]>> Just close the window.

[00:55:10]>> Apparently, we need to teach David how to use a Chrome browser.

[00:55:16]>> What is the >> Anyway, so Cap, you missed it. Uh, we talked about what everybody was up to, what everybody was doing. Tell everybody what you're up to, what you're doing, what you've been working on. Man, >> I drove 310 miles today.

[00:55:31]I'm exhausted.

[00:55:34]That's what I'm up to. Um, this weekend I will probably try to do a makeup stream sometime. I don't know when yet. Uh, it depends on when I uh come back to life. Uh, for this weekend uh for this week, you know, my stream got interrupted by a power outage, all that yada yada yada. Um, we're going to be uh modernizing the Ender 5 before I actually turn it into a Mercury 1.

[00:56:02]And uh we're doing something that very few have ever attempted in turning an Ender 6 into a Trident.

[00:56:12]Fun days ahead.

[00:56:15]And >> we still have the Atlantis project since Wrath is converting a 2.4 into a Trident.

[00:56:23]try to conversions galore.

[00:56:26]>> Yeah.

[00:56:28]>> And uh uh so just so you let you guys know um 20 bolting straight through a 2040 extrusion into 2020 takes really long bolts.

[00:56:41]>> Whoa, that thing is not liking.

[00:56:44]>> Yeah, >> that camera is not liking those bolts.

[00:56:46]>> There we go. There we go. We see it.

[00:56:48]>> Are you supposed to bolt all the way through it?

[00:56:50]>> Yeah. Don't you just don't you just drill a hole and then use part of the uh the end part and you can still get by with that M5 by10.

[00:56:59]>> I'm going full blind joint.

[00:57:03]>> Right. So you you can drill a hole through that 404 extrusion, right, to put your Allen wrench in, but you can still use the back half to screw into the 2020 extrusion >> this. So, um, in the corner, uh, the corner, uh, from corner to corner, right? It's long ways on the Ender 6, not sideways.

[00:57:28]>> Okay.

[00:57:30]>> So, they have to go long ways through.

[00:57:32]So, these are M4 uh, M5 by 50s.

[00:57:39]>> Yeah.

[00:57:39]>> I'm not I'm not visualizing it. I'm trying to visualize it. It's not coming in my brain. I will DM you a picture.

[00:57:47]That's the best way to do this.

[00:57:49]And yeah, it's insane um the amount of strength that this machine will have uh just from, you know, the Ender 6 has a massively strong frame to begin with the way it's put together.

[00:58:06]But uh yeah, it's going to be it's going to be a fun build.

[00:58:10]>> Yeah.

[00:58:12]There's not a whole lot of Ender sixes I see floating about.

[00:58:16]>> Well, there's a ton of them out there.

[00:58:19]It's just everybody wants like too much money for them. I got this one at a steal at 200 bucks.

[00:58:26]>> So, >> I close that garage door and man is it heating up fast in here.

[00:58:32]>> That's why that's the reason I'm sitting in my living room right next to an air conditioner.

[00:58:37]I came into the house. I came into the house and sat down and I'm like, >> I will log into the podcast in a few minutes after I cool off >> cuz the air conditioning in the car doesn't work because it leaks and it's it was 90° today. So, >> that must have been a miserable drive home.

[00:59:02]it was even with Windows cracked.

[00:59:08]But um so yeah, um I actually have a full GitHub project for this that I've been updating daily as I make changes and do final measurements and all that. So it's a it's a great deal.

[00:59:25]And uh I'm going to be publishing it so others can do the same thing.

[00:59:31]Because nobody deserves an ender. They deserve a tight end.

[00:59:41]>> Is that Is that going to be the tagline?

[00:59:44]>> I just came up with it. But yes, it should.

[00:59:49]>> Just like, you know, everybody converts the end, you know, the Ender 5 and the Ender 5 Plus to Mercury 1.

[00:59:56]So, you know, we're going to destroy the Inter6.

[01:00:06]And then we still also have the the Atlantis project, which I now have all but two plates done.

[01:00:13]>> Congrats.

[01:00:14]>> Stupid happy about that. So, >> feel like you've been working on that thing for three months, even though it's been a month.

[01:00:22]>> Yeah.

[01:00:24]Um, I still have all the accessories that I have to rent for that. But, >> um, that is that is so far taken seven rolls of filament.

[01:00:38]>> It's a lot of material, man.

[01:00:40]>> It is.

[01:00:41]>> My new quest >> Yeah.

[01:00:42]>> is going to be this thing.

[01:00:45]>> Boom box. Love it.

[01:00:46]>> So, it's the print kits boom box, right?

[01:00:49]But uh some mistakes were made with this. Um >> try love that.

[01:00:54]>> I love I love print kits, right? It's a it's a great thing. Uh but this particular one, the Bluetooth board that's in here needs minimum of 3.3 volts. And they've got it running off of two double A cells which provide only three volts. So there's not enough power to drive it correctly. So you get a ton of feedback. And then there's no amplification on the board.

[01:01:26]So uh it's for the size speakers that are in it, it is not very loud at all.

[01:01:34]Um honestly, uh my phone that I I pair it to is louder than this thing is. Um, so my goal is to change out the board in it to a Bluetooth receiver board that has a amplifier.

[01:01:52]Uh, it'll be like a separate power supply into it that I can hook up. Uh, they've got ones that are 3.3 to 12 volt.

[01:02:04]And then I'll have a little potentiometer knob. Maybe I'll make this knob on the front actually functionable to turn the volume up and down and run it off of uh two 18650 cells or something like that. I'll have to modify the files for it. But that's my goal is to make that thing actually a little boom box for uh the little one when she's out at the pool.

[01:02:33]>> That's cute. I like that.

[01:02:36]>> That's cool.

[01:02:42]Then you should actually do a fullsize version.

[01:02:46]>> Yeah. There. So there's uh who's uh Luke did the speakers? They were at Rocky Mountain, too. Uh Deposition Sound, is that right?

[01:02:58]>> Yeah, Deposition Sound. Yeah.

[01:03:00]>> Uh I would love to do that. So, the like the stereo that I have out here in the garage, it's a Samsung uh sound tower thing and uh it does all right.

[01:03:19]Uh it's definitely loud enough for the garage, but when I open up the doors and stuff, there's, you know, it's not loud enough to when you're outside grilling and at the pool and stuff. I'd love to have some deposition sound speakers that I could set up over by the uh garage door and um pair into all of it.

[01:03:46]But alas money but deposition.

[01:03:53]>> Yeah, deposition sound. If you want to send me some uh some kits for your stuff, I'd love to build it on stream.

[01:04:00]>> They are super nice. You can get a hold of them through Twitter if you talk to them.

[01:04:06]>> That would require me getting on to Twitter, though.

[01:04:11]>> Sacrifices to be made, my friend.

[01:04:18]>> It's not that I necessarily have anything against Twitter in particular.

[01:04:23]It's just I don't know anything that's not Discord or YouTube.

[01:04:31]I've been adding a bunch of people on Facebook though because I get on there and approves Facebook Marketplace and it keeps popping up like people you may know and I'm like, "Yeah, I do know that person."

[01:04:44]>> And then and then he goes through and adds every single account that that person has, too.

[01:04:49]>> Just saying.

[01:04:52]Well, it's not my fault that it keeps saying that I might know Ryan. Okay.

[01:04:57]It's not making more accounts for me to add.

[01:05:10]>> Yeah. I I don't know if you have so many accounts because you're a drug dealer or what's going on over there. It's like it's like accounts I've added more than two.

[01:05:24]>> No, there's just two.

[01:05:28]>> Either that or he's got >> Yeah, he must just keep denying my Facebook friend request. He's like, "This guy deny."

[01:05:38]Then the next day it's like, "You may know." I'm like, "Yeah, I do know that guy."

[01:05:46]Anyway, yeah, I'm super sad to not get to go to to Murf. Um, it's not set in stone that I won't be able to go, but it's definitely looking that way. Um, uh, yeah, I really miss everybody. Uh, you got clones out there. He does. He does.

[01:06:10]>> If it's his multiple personalities is what it is. They each make an account.

[01:06:15]They don't know about each other, >> you know.

[01:06:25]Wrath, are you okay?

[01:06:26]>> Me? Yeah. No, no. I'm checking up on printers. I have another plate finished and I had to go swap it out.

[01:06:32]>> And then I'm >> hoping I'm not running out of filament before I print some parts. It's halfway done, so I'm going to have to probably pause it and put some new filament in.

[01:06:41]>> Yeah. So, last time we talked, you said uh on the podcast, you said you were getting ready for uh a delivery of some toys or something. How'd that go?

[01:06:51]>> Good. We uh we I think we have about 14 on Sunday about 14 teachers are going to show up.

[01:06:59]So, roughly roughly, don't quote me on it's about a thousand toys.

[01:07:05]>> That's awesome.

[01:07:06]>> I just got printing sloths. Which ones are you printing?

[01:07:10]>> Let me go. Oh, here's some rejects.

[01:07:13]These ones.

[01:07:14]>> Hold on. Let me make you bigger here so I can see.

[01:07:16]>> They're like Matt Meer. They're all Matt Meyer makes and they're like the uh barrel of monkeys.

[01:07:22]>> Yeah, that's cool.

[01:07:23]>> Oh, those are cool.

[01:07:25]>> So, they all just kind of hang on and you can, you know, they have they look like sloth.

[01:07:30]>> Yeah. I thought I was wondering if that was them. The uh the kiddos bought one for the old lady cuz she loves sloths and she made me glue it on the front of her notebook so it looks like it's hanging on for dear life on the front of her notebook.

[01:07:46]>> Yeah. Yeah. I just got done counting 317 of them. That's a banker box full.

[01:07:53]>> That's crazy.

[01:07:55]>> Tomorrow I'm going to be counting turtles and uh little worins by 3D Creations I think it is.

[01:08:04]Um, yeah.

[01:08:06]That's my life, man. That's that's that's how I do the hobby.

[01:08:11]>> A box of toys, count them up, print a box of toys non-stop.

[01:08:17]>> That's my like that's the backside of what I do. So, it's like any spare material I get from like samples or whatever, that's what I love to do. Just make some of my own stuff and then I give it to the local food bank.

[01:08:30]LTX said he just got back from the shop.

[01:08:32]It's been a long day. Uh LTX, is it okay that I show off the boards you've been making?

[01:08:43]>> Show off mine.

[01:08:46]>> Yeah. Make Make them smaller. Make me smaller. Make Make bigger.

[01:08:54]That's all I did.

[01:08:55]>> I already got a big head, so it don't matter.

[01:09:04]I DM'd you that that image, Reth, >> you could do you could do this with smaller if the head of a button head M5X10 fits in the extrusion channel to hold it. You wouldn't have to go all the way through. You would just have to drill a hole to get an Allen wrench in it. I don't know if the the button head I don't know the size of your >> you see what you're getting at and yeah >> because what you >> I'd have to step the bit though.

[01:09:40]>> No no no you could just drill it like so it'd be like putting together a voron, right? to the vorons. The button head goes into the the track which connects to the vertical but and you would just you could just drill just like a whatever the what is that M3 or M4 size hole just big enough to get the Allen wrench through.

[01:10:02]>> Yeah, I could. Yeah.

[01:10:05]>> I mean, I don't I don't know what the the torque would be on the top of the the vertical extrusion like this and like this >> when you go through. I don't know what that that's going to do to the moving like wiggle waggly, you know.

[01:10:20]>> So, this is >> LTX is making these. These are lazy susans to >> to use to build printers on. So that way when you're doing >> uh Yeah, it's uh it's epoxy. LTX will probably tell you more about what kind of epoxy it is. Um >> but then here's Kilprints one, which I think turned out >> sick.

[01:10:51]>> It makes me want one of Kil Prince's turntables.

[01:10:54]>> Yeah, I know.

[01:10:58]Um, and then here's Brad's >> Yeah.

[01:11:07]So, uh, they're pretty awesome. He's uh I think I think the going to LTX, correct me if I'm wrong, but they're going to be big enough for a 350 printer.

[01:11:24]So big enough for Reth to build his Trident on for sure.

[01:11:30]>> Did you get one?

[01:11:33]>> No, I'm downsizing, man. I'm downsizing to 250 Trident.

[01:11:37]>> I know, >> but it'll fit on there.

[01:11:41]>> I just have a a piece of granite or something that I got from a castway that I used for my flat.

[01:11:49]>> Yep.

[01:11:51]29 and a half inch diameter.

[01:11:55]So, um a uh 2.4 from edge to edge like diagonally is 28.

[01:12:07]So, plenty of room for all the buildings.

[01:12:13]I'm looking for my tape measure to measure it out. Oh, here it is. What' you say? 29 and a half.

[01:12:18]>> Yep.

[01:12:21]Oh, yeah. It'll fit a It'll fit a 350.

[01:12:27]>> Yeah.

[01:12:31]How heavy is it?

[01:12:35]>> I don't know. Uh you you're cutting those out of MDF and then epoxying the MDF, right? Is that accurate?

[01:12:48]This is why I said he needs to come on, man. There's so many questions.

[01:12:53]>> With the way he did the eyes in mine, I had this really sick idea about routering the backside out and throwing in some LEDs, >> but I won't ruin a piece of art. So, I might have to commission a second one to play with.

[01:13:11]LTX, you have a DM with a link to join us if you would like to come on and tell us about your uh stuff here.

[01:13:19]Um because >> would there be a point in doing it in hardwoods if you're just going to cover it in epoxy?

[01:13:27]>> Uh I'm going to say probably for uh a hardwood would prevent like bowing, warping, anything.

[01:13:37]>> A hardwood would warp, right? some of my plywood to be more structurally stable.

[01:13:44]>> Hardwood wood. Hardwood wood.

[01:13:47]>> You all singing songs, man.

[01:13:51]>> I can't do it.

[01:13:52]>> I just can't do it.

[01:13:55]>> Well, once hardwoods are dried and stabilized, uh, they don't really change too too much.

[01:14:06]You're not going to want to like uh square your extrusions on them, but uh they weigh about 10 lbs. So they are they are solid boys. Um which what you want really in something like that, right? It's going to sit there with a 50 lb printer sitting on it for, you know, days to weeks to months. Some of us take years to finish a build.

[01:14:45]>> RJ.

[01:14:47]>> R.J. Yep. He's not here right now. We'll pick on him.

[01:14:54]>> He can he can, you know, be insulted through the replay crew. So, >> listen, if we make one for R.J. though, it's got to be flame resistant.

[01:15:08]They make high temperature epoxy though, don't they?

[01:15:12]>> They do. But I'm just thinking like if we make the entire thing >> fiberglass where it like >> would have to have a builtin fire.

[01:15:26]>> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's what I was going to say. Put that fire extinguisher foam on top.

[01:15:31]>> Yeah. Yes.

[01:15:34]There's so many preventions that need to be taken place.

[01:15:37]>> You know, there's a denrail mount fire extinguisher now.

[01:15:41]>> Is there really?

[01:15:42]>> Yes. I saw this the other day and I'm like, "Oh my god, this thing would be awesome to have in a printer."

[01:15:51]>> Downunder needs one that doesn't release blue smoke.

[01:16:00]Of course, Phil.

[01:16:02]>> That blue smoke just means it's working, right?

[01:16:04]>> Yeah. Well, see, what happened was >> Phil spent a long time watching Peter Pan when he was a kid. Really loved Tinkerbell and heard that there was uh Magic Pixies.

[01:16:19]>> Maybe, just maybe.

[01:16:22]>> Yes. Um >> we can all have a dream.

[01:16:25]>> Yeah. I'm going to throw this in the makers uh making um Discord channel uh because the podcast channel um and you can share it if you'd like because this thing is sick and uh I've been thinking about purchasing them for my printers.

[01:16:46]>> So, whatever happened with the Wham Bam cloud thing? I remember when I first got into 3D printing, man, the the fire extinguishing thing was uh all the rage, right? Machines are safe.

[01:17:04]It's like the the whole fire suppression systems, all of that. The reason why it all went away because remember there's like the burst balls. There's there was people who were rigging in like uh temp sensors and CO2 to machines and stuff.

[01:17:20]The industry just got so safe. It just that's why everyone's so excited about the A1's having problems. But I have an A1 with 4,000 hours on it. Just depends on the manufacturing scope and scale.

[01:17:30]Right.

[01:17:32]>> There's the man himself.

[01:17:34]I I think I think if you run a real huge print farm, you know, maybe maybe 500 or even a hundred or more printers, it would probably behoove you and your insurance would probably require some sort of fire suppression, I'm imagining.

[01:17:51]>> Yes.

[01:17:52]>> But again, it has to be non-electrical.

[01:17:54]Has to be CO2, right? And you don't want >> CO2.

[01:17:59]No, you don't want powder with electrical cuz it gets into everything.

[01:18:03]But that's that's the that's the what you have to deal with, right? Like you don't want CO2 because then you're it's you're talking other human hazards like suffocating. But you could do the powder and you just have to like, you know, eat the cost of your printers. I mean, that's >> typically in a lot of factories I've worked in, it's like always CO2 suppression, like almost always because the the the powder just gets everywhere and it gets inside the machines. It's Yeah. T and and remember like anything that isn't damaged right from the from the effects will suck that particulate into the machine as well. So typically from what I've seen on on the industrial sites always CO2.

[01:18:44]>> Yeah. But we're not talking super industrial where people are are trained >> 400 400 machines. That's that's pretty industrial. I mean >> Oh yeah.

[01:18:52]>> It's just commercial, right? Because they're not >> you don't have it's not big machinery going on, right? These are simple printers. You just have multiples of them. Just because you have a hundred of them doesn't make it industrial >> if the printers themselves aren't industrial, right? 100 bamboos doesn't all of a sudden put you in an industrial environment.

[01:19:12]>> So, I don't know. I mean, it's a cost basis thing, right? I would say it it would all come down to the whoever is covering the person's insurance and what they want because at the end of the day if you do have a fire, right? Because it it is a thing. It can happen.

[01:19:30]>> You are going to want to be covered. So if you lose 20 machines because of the powder, the insurance will cover it.

[01:19:38]That's why you have the insurance.

[01:19:40]>> So I don't think it's a big of a deal, right? is un when you're using consumer grade machines in a manufacturing environment because that's I mean I have my machines because my business I have insurance and you know we got fire extinguishers here and I have no problem breaking that thing out burning a couple machines if there's a fire. I'd rather I destroy machines than burn down the place.

[01:20:08]>> Oh, absolutely. The the cool thing about the cool thing about these little denrail uh devices that just came out, they're 26 bucks on Alibaba.

[01:20:20]>> Yeah, I wouldn't trust that, man. Come on.

[01:20:23]>> They have huge ratings and they are already like like >> do they have any sort of certification behind them?

[01:20:32]>> They are certified in in the US um and all that good crap now.

[01:20:38]>> Okay. I mean, you say Alibaba is fire and I'm I'm not I'm not buying it initially, right?

[01:20:44]>> Well, in so you if you buy them in the US stores, they're like $65 a piece >> because you know, >> but that but then starts a whole another conversation, right? Like >> yeah, >> if I buy it in the US, I have a US manufacturer or US importer, whoever to go after, right? Like thinking liabilitywise, right? They say I do have a fire and that thing doesn't work.

[01:21:10]>> Yeah.

[01:21:11]>> And the fire gets I have somebody in the US that I can go after and sue for the money, right? Whoever I bought it from, but if I buy it from Alibaba straight from the manufacturer, good luck trying to bring that person into a US court.

[01:21:27]>> So, >> absolutely correct.

[01:21:29]>> There's there are times when it'd be worth it to pay the 65 or even $100.

[01:21:34]This is what I need for my business.

[01:21:36]than to save, you know, whatever money and buy it for 10, right? I I I not buying the device for for $65. What I'm buying is somebody to sue if the device doesn't work.

[01:21:52]>> Yeah.

[01:21:54]>> Go ahead.

[01:21:55]>> I was going to say there is a US company that is manufacturing a device that's quite similar. Uh it's called VOX Electric.

[01:22:05]Um, and they're charging about $250 per device, >> right? But what do you get? I mean, that's that's so for us as consumers, as regular Joe Blow consumers, right?

[01:22:18]That's ridiculous. That's a ridiculous price.

[01:22:21]>> Yeah. Mhm.

[01:22:22]>> But once again, if I've got a 100, 500,000 machines, that's not necessarily a ridiculous price because if there's a fire and I lose, you know, say a hundred machines at maybe, let's say, 500 bucks a pop, right? All because this device didn't work. I'm getting a protection for that $250 per machine here, right? your device didn't work and it burnt all my other machines up and maybe a couple of my others didn't burn or didn't didn't work for for a business. I'll pay the money for peace of mind that I've got somebody to go after.

[01:23:00]>> Yeah. The the question is is what warranty and guarantee do they offer on top of it?

[01:23:05]>> Well, it has to work, right?

[01:23:07]>> Yeah.

[01:23:07]>> I mean, it has to has to work. If it doesn't work, then that's product liability.

[01:23:12]>> Yes.

[01:23:13]>> Right. Just same way as if your your lawnmower doesn't work when you open up out of the box, right? You return it or if your lawnmower all of a sudden the blade once you open up the box, the blade falls off and cuts your leg off, right? You've got somebody to go after.

[01:23:28]>> Well, I mean, but in in fire suppression systems, it actually is even more, you know, deadly is because, you know, that's a life, you know, that that that becomes, you know, life or death at at some point, >> right?

[01:23:39]>> And it's classified differently. So, >> right. So, I mean that's that's just >> yeah, >> for us as a consumers, we might buy it from AliExpress, but as me as a business, right, my nonprofit is a business.

[01:23:53]>> I'm not going to buy something like that off of AliExpress. I'll go with the uh >> what was that one one we originally talked about the cloud thing or whatever.

[01:24:02]>> Yeah, the wham bam.

[01:24:03]>> The wham bam. I'll go with that.

[01:24:06]you know, and I know Prussa has one that's a or there's ones I made that are solid core >> and they're more of a stick.

[01:24:13]>> Um, but you know, >> I haven't even heard of those in such a long time.

[01:24:18]>> Yeah, because there I mean they're they're I think maker milright had it correct in that uh the machines are are getting safer. Maybe not all of all of the machines because when you start value engineering, you start getting rid of safety features >> because those cost money >> but it's quality product internal components, right? So it's like as they do what they can to lower the price of componentry, componentry becomes less quality.

[01:24:46]>> It is it's just >> almost >> efficiency, right? That's everyone's push for constant efficiency. The most whatever it doesn't matter. But continue. Sorry, I didn't mean to.

[01:24:53]>> No, no, that's my rant. I'm done. It's almost like we're coming back to the Ender 3 days.

[01:25:01]>> LTX, >> welcome to the podcast.

[01:25:06]>> LTX sent me a picture here. This is the uh hardwood version that he's working on for one of those uh lazy seasons for building your printers. Uh for those that don't know, also LTX offers a variety of products. LTX, you want to tell us a bit about yourself?

[01:25:28]Are you still there, sir?

[01:25:32]We might be having technical difficulties, but yeah. So, um, in addition to these, he offers, uh, panels. The panels on the, uh, stealth changer were all made by him. Uh they're pretty fantastic. Uh laser engraved panels and stuff like that. Um >> can you hear me now?

[01:26:01]>> Yes, now we can.

[01:26:02]>> Yes, we can.

[01:26:05]>> Yeah. So, I do mostly furniture, but since I have a big machine, I don't like it sitting idle.

[01:26:14]Then, uh I do polycarbonate, ACM panels, hopefully aluminum soon, laser engraving. These have these lazy susans susans have become a pretty big hit. And anything I can think of that would, you know, help the community, I'm down to build. I just like building stuff.

[01:26:33]>> Yeah. Uh you've got some pretty awesome machines, too. Um you shared a picture of the machine that was cutting out the disc for this at one point. I don't I can't find it. I was going to show it off, but if you happen to have it, >> let's see what what is the benefit or the negative of using hardwood for the lazy the wood part. Like is there is it why would you use hardwood over say MDF or plywood?

[01:27:07]>> The depends on where you live. If you live in like Florida, then hardwood's going to last longer because MDF is like a sponge. So even no matter how well I seal the side, it's going to soak up that humidity.

[01:27:22]>> Even even if you uh cover the whole whole disc on both sides and then every side with epoxy.

[01:27:29]>> Uh so the sides are going to soak up some of the epoxy unless I did like a penetrating epoxy first.

[01:27:38]Then uh that's the only way to really seal it. And it's it's a giant sponge.

[01:27:44]So, so a surface coating of epoxy moisture will still get through.

[01:27:48]>> Yeah.

[01:27:49]>> Okay. Did not know that. Thank you.

[01:27:56]>> Let's see.

[01:27:57]>> Fascinating.

[01:28:01]>> Sorry.

[01:28:01]>> If they for long, I'll need one of those.

[01:28:05]>> What's the cost difference between making it in MDF and hardwood? It's got to be not an insignificant figure. Well, you balsa hardwood, >> huh?

[01:28:18]>> Are you using balsa as a hardwood?

[01:28:20]>> No, that's hickory.

[01:28:26]>> Are these on your website?

[01:28:29]>> No, my website is currently uh shut down for redoing. I just haven't had time to redo it.

[01:28:36]>> What do you What do you uh expect to be charging or what price range for these?

[01:28:43]The 22in ones I've been doing for 100 plus shipping. Uh shipping on them is I think it's going to be around 60 to 70 cuz it's a huge box. Not the 22, the 29 1/2 inch ones.

[01:29:00]>> So it's 100 plus shipping.

[01:29:02]>> Yep. What kind of files do you need to like what's the quality of the picture you need to be able to put it on the on the >> just a SVG or a PNG I can work with >> and then does it come with a lazy Susan hardware underneath?

[01:29:19]>> Yep.

[01:29:20]>> It's good for 300 lb.

[01:29:23]>> 300 lb.

[01:29:27]>> And can I one of these lazy What' you say?

[01:29:34]>> Is it food grade?

[01:29:36]>> The lazy susan.

[01:29:38]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:29:40]>> Or the the MDF I wouldn't use for food. Hardwood for sure.

[01:29:46]>> Yeah. But once you coat it with epoxies, it's still food grade.

[01:29:50]>> Not cutting on it. Epoxy is safe unless you cut it.

[01:29:56]>> Okay.

[01:29:58]So, I can lay out my cut steak on it though.

[01:30:01]Yes.

[01:30:05]>> Yeah. Yeah. So, you can use it with your new uh griddle there, Captain.

[01:30:09]>> Wow.

[01:30:16]>> Crazy inlay work with cutting boards, too.

[01:30:20]>> Yeah.

[01:30:22]Speaking of cut stakes, um, did anybody happen to catch the Orca Slicer alpha release?

[01:30:31]>> Oh, somebody sent me that the other day.

[01:30:34]Uh, what was new on that? I can't remember.

[01:30:39]the anti-aliasing, >> new stronger uh gyroid uh infill and then a huge feature that does not require Bamboo's connect. They have their own >> Oh, yeah, that's right. They've got their own cloud thing.

[01:30:57]>> Yeah, >> which I'm super excited for. I'm just going to wait for it to get out of alpha. The last time I upgraded to I know Slicer alpha build, I got burned.

[01:31:09]>> I think all of us did.

[01:31:10]>> I had to redo every filament and print profile I had.

[01:31:18]I was less than happy.

[01:31:21]>> I'm I'm I'm super excited about not having to use a bamboo printer as the stable process to keep all of my profiles.

[01:31:35]So there's a example of >> uh looks like a cutting board end grain cutting board. Is that accurate?

[01:31:42]>> Yep. Walnut with a maple inlay.

[01:31:45]>> Nice. I've got a really nice uh cutting board I picked up from.

[01:31:52]>> Damn you LTX. Now my wife wants one of those.

[01:31:55]>> I think I picked it up at Max Trader Days up in Lima, Ohio. Uh, it's not endgrade, but it's uh purple heart and walnut, I think.

[01:32:09]I know it's purple heart, but I I can't remember what the second wood is. I think it's walnut, but man, I love that cutting board.

[01:32:18]>> So much so that I rarely ever cut anything on it, >> dude. With friends like you, I'm never getting out of debt.

[01:32:29]There's a reason why we have the poor the poor financial decisions in dad's garage shirt.

[01:32:34]>> Yes. I need to rework that shirt. I need to make that better. I can do better now.

[01:32:42]>> No, nobody that bought it is going to be upset because nobody's ever bought it.

[01:32:49]>> I've almost bought it.

[01:32:52]>> You know, I've actually sold a bit of merch uh recently. I'm super excited about that. The captain's over there with his merch cup.

[01:33:04]>> Maker mode, baby.

[01:33:10]>> Let's see.

[01:33:14]There we go. Um, yeah.

[01:33:18]So, uh, what else you been working on?

[01:33:21]Uh, you said you had some other stuff going on other than just the uh Lazy Seasons. What else you been working on?

[01:33:29]>> Well, I got swamped with Virtue panel orders, too.

[01:33:33]>> I didn't know that the Virtue had panels for it.

[01:33:36]>> Uh, so it has four panels, no enclosure yet. Uh, the frame, the base panel, the electronics enclosure, and the bottom deck.

[01:33:50]>> Nice. Uh, when you say swamped, I'm just curious because I'm wondering how many people are out there building them and it'll give us a rough idea.

[01:34:02]How many orders have you gotten for them?

[01:34:05]>> This week alone, I've shipped out I think 10 kits and I just got another order today.

[01:34:11]>> Wow.

[01:34:13]Are they just cut panels or are you doing custom engraving work on those for?

[01:34:18]Uh, one of them I did engraving. No, two I did engraving work. The rest are just standard cuts. Uh, I don't think a lot of them know I do custom engraving on them. Uh, and with how backed up with how backed up I am right now, I'm just trying to let that slide.

[01:34:37]>> Understandable.

[01:34:39]>> You know, being that backed up, you know, they're they have chemicals for that.

[01:34:44]>> Just saying.

[01:34:46]So, you're not going to Murf, but are you going to show up at that uh Texas?

[01:34:52]>> Yeah, as of right now, I'm going to be at Lonear.

[01:34:56]>> Nice.

[01:34:57]>> Okay. I might have to get one of those.

[01:35:00]>> Yeah, as I say, that's probably my best bet to get get a lazy Susan. I have to pay shipping.

[01:35:06]>> Yeah.

[01:35:07]>> Are you in Texas?

[01:35:08]>> Yeah, I'm I'm in Houston.

[01:35:10]>> No, I'm in Austin.

[01:35:13]Okay.

[01:35:16]So you guys real close together probably. Texas is a pretty small state as I understand it, right?

[01:35:23]>> It's like Rhode Island.

[01:35:24]>> Yeah. I thought it was about the size of Rhode Island.

[01:35:29]>> Well, the joke is Houston is an hour away from Houston.

[01:35:33]>> Yeah.

[01:35:36]>> Like Long Island or something. I don't know.

[01:35:43]I think you can walk from one end to the other >> eventually.

[01:36:03]Trying to find the other little piece of news that I I saw that was kind of nifty that missed my little blurb that I found.

[01:36:12]My daughter's asking where her tapestries are that she took down out of her other room. I didn't >> tapestry. You got tapestries at your house?

[01:36:20]>> How rich are you, man?

[01:36:23]>> No. So, they're like uh I don't know. They're like the size of sheets. Some of them. Uh >> I can't even afford a tapestry this big.

[01:36:32]And you've got sheet size ones.

[01:36:34]>> They're all They're as thick as sheets, too. They're not super thick.

[01:36:38]>> Oh my god. Why don't you sell one of those style then? Holy.

[01:36:43]>> Jesus.

[01:36:44]>> Because they were $10 on Amazon.

[01:36:50]>> I bet you got a suit of armor in in the hallway, too, right?

[01:36:54]>> No. The closest thing I got to armor is this. I got I got myself uh you know, a helmet. That's about it.

[01:37:06]>> Wait. Well, you you could watch the ref prep festivals in in full armor. You know, >> I never even did the shield for it. So, >> told everybody that next year when Alex comes to Rocky Mountain, I'm taping one of those orange flags that you put on a child's bicycle to him so I can track his ass down in the crowd.

[01:37:33]You kind of need to do that at at Rocky Mountain.

[01:37:38]>> I I lost him so many times.

[01:37:42]>> Off chasing squirrels, my guy.

[01:37:45]Like, where the hell did he go now?

[01:37:53]H But, uh, yeah, we we'll see. Hopefully, I get to make it out to Rocky Mountain again. You're coming next year. We're making it happening.

[01:38:04]>> Well, we'll see. I'm having a hard enough time getting three hours away to go to Murf.

[01:38:10]>> I if I have to drive out there and then come pick you up. You're coming.

[01:38:14]>> You know how frustrating it is to have so many creators driving right past me to get to Murf and I can't like like give me a ride, bro.

[01:38:31]But uh yeah. Um uh >> yes. Oh yes. Creality is 12 years old.

[01:38:40]>> They're almost a teenager.

[01:38:43]>> Are they?

[01:38:44]>> Yeah.

[01:38:50]>> A bunch of noise outside. There's a big uh event going on across the street.

[01:38:56]Um, >> anybody any more updates on that Clyitech that they're coming out with yet?

[01:39:03]>> Another hour and 15 minutes or so.

[01:39:10]>> They basically cloned >> Index.

[01:39:14]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:39:15]>> We talked about Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:39:16]>> Yeah.

[01:39:17]>> And apparently they did a better job than Bontech. I don't quote me on that. It's just the specs on it look better.

[01:39:28]Now, if they if they implement it the same way the specs look, that's a different story.

[01:39:35]>> We'll find out soon enough.

[01:39:44]>> Wait, Mike has a math lab and he's not sharing.

[01:39:56]Mike, where's our cut? Man, this ain't cool. The rest of us need money, too.

[01:40:16]>> Boy, it got quiet in here real fast.

[01:40:18]My daughter's still pestering me about tapestries.

[01:40:22]>> I'm having filament issues on >> Tell her to come on this. Tell her to come on the show and pester you live.

[01:40:38]>> We get enough of that.

[01:40:39]>> That would be a huge mistake. Just so everybody knows cuz she'll do it.

[01:40:46]>> Yeah.

[01:40:48]just makes it safe for her to walk on the rafters in the attic to go try to find these tapestries.

[01:40:55]>> Oh, Lord God.

[01:40:57]>> No, you have a hard enough time walking on the floor.

[01:41:03]>> They say you don't know. You got a child through the through the ceiling, right?

[01:41:08]>> So, so I love both my children to death.

[01:41:11]all well all three of my children to death. But I would definitely send the six-year-old into the attic to walk on rafters before I sent the 14y old.

[01:41:23]>> Interesting.

[01:41:24]>> She's like, "Is it safe for me to do?" I said, "No, you shouldn't." She's like, "Can I do it anyway?"

[01:41:30]>> You're like, "No."

[01:41:33]>> What? You You don't want holes in the drywall.

[01:41:38]You dry holes in the in the kitchen ceiling.

[01:41:45]>> A 14y old size hole.

[01:41:49]>> Smalls. Get out of the attic.

[01:41:58]>> Jesus.

[01:42:05]>> Uh, probably not right now. Maybe in the morning when the attic's not 1,000 degrees.

[01:42:14]Oh god, they kill me.

[01:42:18]>> Or at least they try to. I try to keep my kids alive and they're over here trying to kill me.

[01:42:26]>> Sounds fair. That's a child's job.

[01:42:30]It definitely seems like >> um I don't know why she wants these tapestries. She doesn't have any wall space to put them up on.

[01:42:44]>> She has a feeling >> if I add any more LEDs to our room, she's it's going to be brighter in there at night than it is in the house during the day.

[01:42:59]Oh lord. Anyway, so uh uh Mike said, "I send your cut to the medical bills." What >> I was asking, Mike, what happened to our uh his uh our cut for the uh the lab?

[01:43:19]>> Uh was that different than the one that I showed earlier?

[01:43:26]Now, this is the same one I showed earlier. Uh, John Doe. I show it again, though.

[01:43:34]Uh, we just breeze past it quickly.

[01:43:40]And where is that window? There's that window.

[01:43:45]Let's add it to the scene. Then, let's flop this around. Add this here. Boom.

[01:43:54]production value.

[01:43:57]Uh yeah, so that's like the >> index style thing >> grabs the filament there in the middle right in here. Extruder does and pushes it through. Uh uh so this was the part that interests me.

[01:44:25]Uh rethinking the extruder traditional bowden setups are out of the question and even standard directory unit struggle they're talking about with TPU.

[01:44:37]We tried a lot softer springs to avoid squeezing the filament tighter tolerances in the filament tube to prevent the filament from moving too much and even customshaped filament guide for TPU. Then came the breakthrough. What if the extruder wasn't just pulling the filament but was assisted by a second nar extruder unit at the rear pushing it? A dual power system. By synchronizing these two forces, the TPU no longer behaves unpredictably. It moves through the tube like a caterpillar. This allows for stable, consistent extrusion of TPU as soft as ADA, which is kind of impressive. By solving the most challenging problem of TPU extrusion, our system wide innovations unlock a massive leap in printing speed. While most systems struggle to print TPU 88 or 85 or are forced to slow down to 1 millimeter a second, this dual drive mechanism triples the industry benchmark with a stable 3 mm a second cubed flow.

[01:45:44]Uh 15 mm a second cubed on 95A.

[01:45:52]Uh, so yeah, I I'm really kind of interested in seeing what that looks like and whether that's on like every one of the tools or just like one or two or how that how that works. I'm really curious. I'm really kind of excited about this one.

[01:46:11]Um, so like I said, I think they're doing a stream here in like eight minutes or something like that on this.

[01:46:21]Uh, it's it's at the what's 7 Pacific. So, it'll be 10 o'clock your time, Alex.

[01:46:31]>> Okay. It doesn't matter. I'm not going to watch this stream because their streams are so incredibly painful to watch.

[01:46:39]>> Okay. If you think my streams are hard to watch, >> goodness gracious.

[01:46:46]Um, yeah. If you want thousands of people's emails, so tune into Creity.

[01:46:55]>> Yes.

[01:46:58]Although at this point it doesn't matter. So here, if I want somebody's email, all I got to do is type their name in the [ __ ] Google and it's going to give me their email address, their home address, uh the last five places they've lived, their phone number. Like, it is not hard to find information on people.

[01:47:26]your email account popping up on screen on stream for half a second.

[01:47:32]That's the least of your problems.

[01:47:37]And uh I know all these uh places like Aura and Delete Me and all these other things are out there, but I really feel like they're another data collection organization who specializes in removing your data from other places. So, they're the only show in town. Um >> that's what it feels like for sure.

[01:48:05]>> Yeah. Uh, so I understand >> I just sent you a link of the Clyitech in action.

[01:48:18]>> Let's uh let's look at that. Hold on a second. Let me remove that from scene.

[01:48:24]Add another window.

[01:48:32]Is this going to be right?

[01:48:36]No, this isn't going to be right.

[01:48:40]>> Show us all those DMs, dude.

[01:48:43]>> All your private DMs.

[01:48:44]>> Yes.

[01:48:46]>> There's not much there. This is what I showed you.

[01:48:52]And now I know, I know. Go away. Stop. Okay, there we go.

[01:49:02]window share add to scene. Now we're cooking with fire.

[01:49:13]Uh all right, here we go.

[01:49:29]So, Zombie Hedgehog posted this.

[01:49:32]>> Yeah.

[01:49:33]>> Um, >> I like the fact that this picks it up from the back rather than the front.

[01:49:44]>> So, they're doing the same thing you Snakers doing with the U1 in that regards.

[01:49:48]>> Yeah. Um, Reth, as somebody who prints a lot of stuff and has to take stuff off of build plates, uh, what do you think? Would you rather have the tools in the back or in the front?

[01:50:03]>> Tools in the back would be better just just from a once again a maintenance point of view, right? To try and get in there. like a cell changer takes it from the front and you have to account for that space when you're printing and how high you can print underneath it. My my concern with something like this though is a canal lever over the X-axis and and if you don't get that right, you could start wobbling your tool head.

[01:50:35]Right.

[01:50:37]>> Yeah. So, so that's that'd be my concern with this. Like let's say because you have on one side of the tool head you have your umbilical on the other side you have your boat in and if something happens they may not be pulling the same. Right. Let's and you could be rocking I I I have to see actually how it performs and what's the life on it. But that would be my concern is is can leading over the the the X-axis like that where the the two wire like if I remember correctly on Bontech the wires are the Boden and the umbilical are closer together.

[01:51:18]Um but that would be my concern.

[01:51:23]It's I like the I like from the rear better, but >> uh John Doe, I assume you're talking about this drinking game being on the Creity uh stream has John Doe has proposed that every time they say new technology or innovation, you have to take a drink.

[01:51:48]>> I don't think this is new. I mean, this isn't new technology really. I mean, when you look at like the overarching, it's it's not new. Even Bombex is an improvement upon stealth changer.

[01:52:00]Stealth changer is an improvement upon something else.

[01:52:04]>> Yeah.

[01:52:04]>> You know, I'm sure there are facets of this that are new. Just like Bontech has facets that are new, right? They're using induction heating. Um, they basically cop this is looks like a copy of a bond tech just from a rear.

[01:52:19]But what technology would be is there anything groundbreaking that you guys would think is groundbreaking in this video?

[01:52:27]>> Uh I don't know. It' be groundbreaking if they actually released it and you could purchase it. It'd be great.

[01:52:34]>> It'll be good delivery of it.

[01:52:37]So, uh, I just hit a few Reddit threads and they're saying that there's a betting pool basically going on of what the estimated launch price of this is going to be. Right now, everybody's saying 1,500.

[01:52:54]>> Yeah, that's >> Wait, why why do they have two umbilicals? So, if you look where the Bowden's at, there's another wire behind it.

[01:53:04]>> You're right. So, are they using that wire behind it to actually heat to provide the heat for the hot end? And the first wire is just providing the electronics for the tool head like the extruder motor >> probably.

[01:53:16]>> I mean, >> I would actually almost like that better than the induction thing. I've questioned that since the word go.

[01:53:26]>> I don't have a problem with the induction per se. I don't think it's going to have a wide temperature induction. I have an issue with the temperature sensing on the induction.

[01:53:37]>> What do you mean?

[01:53:39]>> Being able to accurately measure the nozzle temperature >> without an actual thermister on the nozzle.

[01:53:50]>> Okay. I don't know. I've asked a couple times how they do it and I've gotten two different answers.

[01:54:00]I've gotten one where they assume the temperature of the nozzle based on like the PWM and stuff like that of the induction uh the electricity sent to the coil. And then I've got another answer of like a uh kind of like you would do like a thermometer where it's like a IR sensing kind of thing. I don't think that the IR sensing one's accurate, but I don't know, right?

[01:54:33]>> It might be. I mean, we're not talking multiple decimal points, right? I mean, most of our temperature sensors aren't act. They're not PT100s, right? I mean, there's a reason you got PT 100, PT-1000, and all the crap that we actually use. They're not super. I think it's what 10% or 5% on on most of our thermisters.

[01:54:58]I don't know. Yeah, there is there is a difference.

[01:55:00]>> Yeah, >> I don't know. It just depends on how accurate it is. But I would I would actually kind of rather it be on the thing. And also, you could preheat your nozzles that way so that when it goes to pick up a tool, it's already heated up.

[01:55:16]>> So, after building a cell changer, right? I know you're building one now.

[01:55:21]The preheat can actually cause a lot of ooze depending upon what nozzle you're using, right? What temperatures you're at and the materials.

[01:55:30]>> So, I actually like the fact that Bontex heats up with the induction obvious pretty instantly, right? There's no delay.

[01:55:40]So that to me is better than the stealth changer where you have to figure out, you know, get that little wiper on it, make sure that's there, make sure you're using the right nozzle so that you don't have too much ooze coming out. Make sure your retract there's a lot less to go wrong when you once you kill the power to the induction. Um, >> uh, it doesn't doesn't ooze anymore.

[01:56:06]>> Yeah. Well, I mean, they can turn off the power to the nozzles that aren't getting used, but when you know that you're getting ready to switch to a nozzle, you can turn on the turn on the heating before it goes to pick it up.

[01:56:18]>> That's the point of the induction is you don't have to do that, right? Like the the heat up time is almost instantaneous.

[01:56:24]>> So, there's no point in preheating, you know? But another thing that kind of worries me on this long is long-term um those wires may break after I mean every wire breaks, right? So what >> you're introducing more failure points, >> more failure points, more wires, more failure points.

[01:56:46]I'm I I bet you they it's not induction heating this one. I bet you it's regular heating.

[01:56:53]>> Yeah, that's what it kind of looks like because it looks like There's like a cold side right there >> below that filament pathway. And >> I'm going to surmise that on this one, you're going to get a lot of the stealth changer issues with with ooze. I think ooze is going to be a big deal with this until you can get that that preheat time down and and the if if it's reality and if we're value engineering the wiper that's on the bottom of that tool head is going to be a consumable part >> that that's going to have to be replaced.

[01:57:36]>> Just I'm just guessing here based upon you know the price point I'm assuming reality is going to try to hit which is going to be low. Somebody can get adopters. Steal the early adopters from bond tech.

[01:57:50]>> Yeah.

[01:57:50]>> Is anybody taking bets on who delivers first though?

[01:57:54]>> I think reality will deliver first.

[01:57:57]>> I think it's going to have a lot of lot of buyers or more stuff.

[01:58:00]>> I will bet that they already have at least a thousand units of this built.

[01:58:06]>> Oh, probably more than that there. It's probably going to be uh uh you know Apple kind of thing where okay here's our product announcement. Uh go pre-order it today. It's shipping on Friday.

[01:58:20]>> Is it Is it just the This looks like it's a complete printer though. It's not just the aftermarket add-on.

[01:58:28]>> Yeah, it's a complete printer.

[01:58:31]>> So it's it's really go not going up against Bond per se. It's going up against what's the one that was at Rocky Mountain.

[01:58:38]>> All right, boys. Uh, I got a previous uh engagement. I got to go. Thank you very much for having me. Always a pleasure, gentlemen. Please be safe. Take care of yourselves. Have a great night.

[01:58:48]>> Have a good one, bud.

[01:58:48]>> Have a good night.

[01:58:50]>> What's What's the one that was at uh uh Rocky Mountain?

[01:58:56]>> The tool changer.

[01:58:58]>> Oh, snap maker.

[01:59:02]>> Uh oh.

[01:59:03]>> Snapmaker. Yeah.

[01:59:05]>> Yeah. Yeah. So, this I think this would be going up against Snapmaker because Bond Tech Yeah. The the beauty of Bond is you can add as many tool heads as you want.

[01:59:16]>> Yeah.

[01:59:16]>> Right.

[01:59:17]>> I think this is I think this is and your uh Snapmaker, your Flash Forge, your Prusso with Index.

[01:59:27]um you know uh also competing against like your H2C type thing. Um >> the issue I I think that they're going to have in selling this is Snapmaker is such a popular and positive product right now that they're going to have to beat Snapmaker's price point >> and that's going to be a hard sell. Mhm.

[01:59:55]>> What What does snap maker go for? About 600.

[01:59:58]>> 900.

[01:59:59]>> Snaker is a 900 now.

[02:00:02]>> And if they put this on the market for $1,500, it's a nogo.

[02:00:07]>> It's a nogo.

[02:00:08]>> It's a non-starter right off the bat.

[02:00:09]>> No, this this this is probably going to be, if I had to guess, city at the way the market I bet you this is about a $700 printer.

[02:00:18]7 $800 max.

[02:00:21]>> But they can't even do that with the K2 right now.

[02:00:25]I mean it might be does reality sell filament?

[02:00:31]>> Yeah.

[02:00:31]>> Yeah.

[02:00:33]>> It might be one just to get because you're right. Why would you buy the you can get the snap maker? Is it going to be bigger?

[02:00:42]>> We don't know.

[02:00:43]>> That's we don't know.

[02:00:46]>> That's the That's Snapmaker's only failure point right now is its size.

[02:00:51]>> And I agree it's one sitting wall.

[02:00:58]with having right right there. Yeah, it's 270 by 270 by 270.

[02:01:03]>> John makes a good point with he says creity is premium, right? So >> what reality is premium and it may not be. So it may not be, but here's the thing. It's got a lot more name and brand recognition to it than Snap Maker does. And it's also in stores. You can't walk into a micro center >> and, you know, throw your credit card down and buy a snap maker.

[02:01:31]>> Yes, you can.

[02:01:32]>> Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. That's where I bought mine.

[02:01:36]>> Oh, nice.

[02:01:38]>> That's where I bought mine >> for for a long time. Like, you weren't going to be able to do that.

[02:01:44]>> Yeah. So that's awesome that you can, but >> in my mind, is the lower end entry level. Maybe I still have like Ender Ender 3s in my brain, right? It it it's not something that's going to be top tier.

[02:02:01]>> Well, see, they didn't step up their game until the K2 Max in all honesty, and that was just this last couple of years, and then they still had a bunch of problems with that thing. I don't own any of the higher tier products that they have at all. I mean, I still have a bunch of beds for God's sakes, but I've been looking at them for the last few years going, are any of these actually any decent products? And the K2 Plus combo right now is selling for $1,500.

[02:02:34]>> That's not the max.

[02:02:35]>> That's the That's not even the max.

[02:02:37]That's the K2 Plus.

[02:02:39]But let's remember that Creality has no qualms with re releasing a better product at a lower price than another product that's inferior in their own product line.

[02:02:51]>> So that was, you know, that was something I I was considering just now.

[02:02:56]Um, if Creality launches uh this uh this product at an under$1,000 price point, they're going to start a bidding war that every manufacturer is going to have to match.

[02:03:10]>> No. No, I don't think so. I don't.

[02:03:13]They're the printers now are really low price when you look at it.

[02:03:20]Like >> there's not a lot >> except for Prussa. Except >> there's not a lot of margin in these things, right? Like bamboo has really driven the margins out of 3D printers.

[02:03:33]>> Yeah.

[02:03:34]>> But they're also not made of actual extrusion anymore. They're all stamped steel and plastic.

[02:03:40]>> Yeah. But you're you're still I mean you're still talking >> Yeah.

[02:03:43]>> They've got people to pay, right? Like what what are they I don't even know what they are, but I can't imagine they're making huge margins like they were.

[02:03:53]>> No. And I don't I I think that's one of the reasons why every manufacturer out there sells filament now is because that's their money maker.

[02:04:02]>> That's the money maker.

[02:04:03]>> Well, and Bamboo, it's your data, too.

[02:04:06]>> Yeah, >> that's the real maker.

[02:04:11]>> It's That's true for any one of these companies where you're using a cloud-based anything, though.

[02:04:17]>> Yeah, >> let's be honest. Bam. Bamboo got caught.

[02:04:22]They're all doing it though.

[02:04:24]>> I on this machine I wonder so I talked to the the the um Fontech guys over at Rocky Mountain and their biggest issue was repeatability and the reliability of parts, right? Like they wanted all the parts to last at least a million tool changes, >> right? So be able to go back and forth on something for a million times before something breaks.

[02:04:50]I wonder how many tool changes this thing can do before it breaks.

[02:04:57]>> I don't know. And I I talked to the guys at Bontech and they told me the basically the same thing. I also think that they set their their goals a little too lofty.

[02:05:08]A million tool changes is a lot of tool changes.

[02:05:12]>> So, let's let's think about that, right?

[02:05:14]So, we have let's say say a standard print that some of you guys do is what?

[02:05:17]Say 200 tool changes.

[02:05:20]Right. And let's say that print takes >> what what is the fair number? Eight hours.

[02:05:27]>> Yeah.

[02:05:28]>> Okay. So 600 tool changes a day.

[02:05:31]>> So 600 let's say we're running a 365.

[02:05:35]That's a one year is 219,000 tool changes. So a million tool changes.

[02:05:41]Little less than five years.

[02:05:46]>> What's the average lifespan of your printer though?

[02:05:50]My my printers I'm not mine aren't average. Mine mine are >> No, I mean of of the average consumer printer is market research says it's two years, >> right? But then again, if you're buying Bond Tech as a standalone option, you want to support it. Well, let me let me rephrase. What's the standard lifetime of a Mark III or a Prussa?

[02:06:13]>> That's a different ballgame. Well, that's that's who they're >> paying a premium for a premium product, >> right? Then that's who who Bond is selling to, right?

[02:06:23]>> Bont is building their system to be universally accepted on any printer, >> right? And who's going to do that though, right? You're not going to do that necessarily to >> I mean, you're obviously not going to put it on an Ender 3, >> but >> you may not also be able to put it on on a I don't know, a Kitty or something like that if it if the tool head's not compatible.

[02:06:49]>> So, you're really looking at like DIY one, anything. It's mostly going to be the DIY printers and people go through they may keep the same chassis but they go through revisions of those printers >> like they change underwear.

[02:07:07]>> You know, I'm not going to disagree with that statement. I But I will counter it and saying if I had this on a tool changer, like if you build a tool changer, you're generally not going to not have that be a tool changer, right?

[02:07:20]If you went through that effort. Yeah.

[02:07:23]>> So, you may only buy one of these or you may have like a the cell changer for your V2s and then have this for your Trident or the Bontech version for your Trident.

[02:07:35]>> Yeah.

[02:07:36]>> I I just I I wonder >> I think a more realistic view would maybe be a half a million. A million is a long time.

[02:07:45]>> I can give you a half million. That would be Let's say that's two years. Two and a half years of printing.

[02:07:50]>> Yeah. I bet you this is not even set to that though. I bet you this is probably got 250,000 tool changes before someone breaks.

[02:07:58]>> Probably.

[02:08:00]>> I would say probably dead on that.

[02:08:02]>> U1 and the flash forge and all these look at him and go how how how many tool changes can I get? Not just like how many is possible, but how many can I get before the degragation on the parts is such that now my prints are of an unacceptable quality. Yeah, it may still change the tools, but do I like the prints that are coming off of it?

[02:08:33]>> Yeah. Yeah, I would agree.

[02:08:35]>> The the reality is is the only way to test that is to actually have one of these machines printing constantly for two, three years.

[02:08:43]I'm sorry. Did you just say Creity should send me a printer and we should test it?

[02:08:47]>> We should >> and the filament for two or three years.

[02:08:51]>> I mean, so so in my experience, the bamboo mini I had lasted less than a year, right? A 247 printing. If you can get a year out of, depending on its price point, a year out of this at 247 printing, you probably got your money back.

[02:09:09]>> Yeah. So, I don't I don't know what they're >> Well, I mean, financially equivalency, uh, the bamboo mini $249 printer last a year. If you printed 365 days a year, 24 hours a day, you really got your money out of it, >> right? But I don't I did I I got it for free, though. So, >> but I mean, but that's the the point is made, though. I mean, you know, it's just like, you know, you buy a $2,000 car and drive it 100,000 miles, you really got your money out of that car.

[02:09:45]>> So, if if I buy this printer, right, and or Cap or Jonathan buys this printer and you can get 365 days of, you know, 600 tool changes a day.

[02:10:07]that printer is going to end up lasting us to the point where we don't want it anymore. We want something else because >> we're not going to be printing that much. We're not like there there might be, you know, three times a month that I'm trying to print something that's multiolor, right? And that's what I fire this printer up for. If I'm printing something that's single color, I'm firing up a different printer, right?

[02:10:34]Yeah.

[02:10:35]>> So, >> I mean, I can see >> I can see people that will that will would use this. It I can guarantee this printer is not meant for an abusive environment.

[02:10:48]>> But what qualifies as abusive?

[02:10:51]>> I don't think it's a print farm.

[02:10:52]>> Print farm.

[02:10:53]>> Okay. Just just print 247 printing.

[02:10:56]>> Yeah, it's it is meant for the hobbyist at home that oh, I want to print, you know, this multiolor print. It's going to be printing, you know, three or four days at most uh for a week or two a month.

[02:11:12]It's not going to be printing seven days a week, you know, >> 24 hours a day.

[02:11:17]>> 24 hours a day or even 10 hours a day, you know, it's it's going to be printing off and on, you know, as something sparks the imagination.

[02:11:33]just like a normal hobbyist at home does. They're not printing like we do.

[02:11:40]>> And John Doe makes a good point, right?

[02:11:42]So, uh, with this release, you're going to have replacement nozzles available.

[02:11:48]And that means that you're going to have a new thing for the DIY community to tinker with, right? Because right now we don't have any nozzles or anything like that that we can use to build a system like this on our own.

[02:12:04]>> Mhm.

[02:12:04]>> Right. We're waiting for Bond Tech.

[02:12:08]We're waiting for somebody to drop a nozzle that we can freaking use to do this. And >> it's not just a nozzle. It's a whole pool head, right?

[02:12:17]>> Yeah. But so a nozzle like this if it if it heats up independently right then we don't need an induction system like >> you just don't like that induction system that is that you're just >> can't get over I see what Alex is trying to say is we we're going to be able to take this whole thing >> build from I don't think you're going to be able to tinker with this at all.

[02:12:43]>> Oh I bet you will. I if they don't use a V6 nozzle, if it's a custom nozzle, um I don't think you're going to be able to really tinker with it without it not working.

[02:12:56]>> No, no, no, no. Not the printer.

[02:12:59]Buy the nozzle and use that in my boron to do my own tool changing kind of thing.

[02:13:07]>> It's it's really going to come down to how they are locking that part in, right? How how how are they actually making the connection between the tool head and and the hotend?

[02:13:21]>> If they've got something funky going on there, I doubt you'll be able to easily integrate it.

[02:13:28]>> No, but we'll have to wait and see.

[02:13:32]>> The community has never said no to a challenge.

[02:13:35]>> Yes, but it comes down to is it worth the challenge, right? Is it worth implementing the challenge, >> right? Because if they've got some funky thing where you need a certain piece of metal of a certain size to hit a certain clicky thing, it may not be worth it, right? Um to integrate.

[02:13:54]So, I'm not saying you can't. I'm not saying someone won't be able to do it, but it'll be like, is it actually worth the trouble to do it?

[02:14:03]>> Well, I mean, it g it it gives us something. Right now, we don't have anything. Right now, we're sitting here on our thumbs waiting for a product to come out that we were promised a year ago.

[02:14:19]>> Oh, I'm not I got >> couple products like that.

[02:14:23]>> What was that?

[02:14:24]>> There's a couple of products like that right now we've been waiting over a year on.

[02:14:29]>> Yeah, it's getting frustrating.

[02:14:33]The whole bond tech thing has been has gotten so bad that there are so many designers out there that have said, "Screw it. I'm making my own tool changing system and they've done it because they're sick of it."

[02:14:48]>> Yeah.

[02:14:49]>> The the announcing a product and then having to wait months to years.

[02:14:57]>> I mean, Prussy did the same thing with the XL, right? I mean, that thing was in delayed forever.

[02:15:03]>> Oh god. Yes.

[02:15:05]>> I mean, even Voron's done it with the the Phoenix, right? It was announced and it's like, well, >> where is it?

[02:15:13]>> Why did you announce it so early when you're not really >> ready at all?

[02:15:18]>> I don't have a yet.

[02:15:21]>> It's annoying.

[02:15:23]>> It is. It's even more annoying when when a company has your money >> and you're not just waiting for them to make it available to buy. You've done bought it and you're waiting to get it.

[02:15:36]>> But you also signed up for that risk when you when you paid your money without a product being actually launched.

[02:15:44]>> I was a little on on the person that gave the money. The problem with the problem with that type of scenario though is especially with the Kickstarters, they they promised a product, they promised a timeline, and then they go, "Oh, well, we couldn't meet it. Sorry."

[02:15:59]>> Yeah. But that's that's the risk you take with Kickstarter, right? You're not It's not a score.

[02:16:04]>> Yeah.

[02:16:04]>> It it is you are giving money on hoping that it will be a product.

[02:16:10]>> Yeah. No, I get what you're saying, but uh so when you're going to Kickstarter and stuff like that, yes. Like, uh I feel I feel bad for you, but at the same time, >> you should have like Googled it a little bit, but when you went to Prussa's website or Bomb Tech's website and you hit >> That's different. That is >> I personally don't view it as being different. I I I personally though because you're you're still giving money for something that not relieved.

[02:16:46]>> Yeah. But there's some expectation that there's going to be some sort of expedience to this.

[02:16:52]>> Mhm.

[02:16:53]>> I mean I I don't know. I don't tell you.

[02:16:59]>> John Doe is technically right.

[02:17:00]Announcing a product should mean that it's heading into a final production.

[02:17:04]>> I agree. I I agree with that, John.

[02:17:08]>> Yeah. Not that they're just actually starting to create it.

[02:17:13]>> Hey, we've got an idea.

[02:17:16]>> We don't have anything on paper, but we want your money now.

[02:17:20]>> I don't mind announcing and saying, "Hey, we're working on this. This is coming in the future." I don't have a problem with that with teasing upcoming technology and saying, "Hey, this is two, three years out, but we just want you to know what kind of stuff we're working on, what the future looks like."

[02:17:37]But there's a big difference between that and saying, "Hey, you can buy this. You can go pre-order this now."

[02:17:46]>> I I would agree.

[02:17:48]>> Now, there's a one thing.

[02:17:50]>> Go ahead. The one thing I wish that this our community would stop doing, the the business side of it is I wish they would get away from the Kickstarter thing completely and start going if you would like to be part of a venture capital group.

[02:18:10]Please join up here because this is a risk.

[02:18:16]You need to acknowledge it's a risk and that's your money over here.

[02:18:21]>> Kickstarter, that's what it does.

[02:18:23]>> But nobody advertises it that way.

[02:18:26]>> Yeah, but it's all in the terms of service of Kickstarter. If you scroll to the bottom >> when you go to when you go pay for something on Kickstarter, it lays it out for you. It does. It does.

[02:18:35]>> You may never even get this thing.

[02:18:37]>> But you know that's nobody reads that.

[02:18:41]>> But no, no, no. It's your rift. Everyone knows that's your risk.

[02:18:45]>> Everybody knows, but nobody reads it.

[02:18:47]And then they go six, you know, six or eight months later or two years later or in my case 10 years later um with some of the games that I've invested.

[02:18:57]>> Yeah, I'm still waiting on video games too, man.

[02:19:00]>> You know, but >> Star Citizen, right? Star Citizen.

[02:19:04]>> No, I didn't do Star Citizen. I did something else. XL or something like that.

[02:19:07]>> Oh, okay. Um, yeah, >> I had a buddy drop like thousands on Star Citizen.

[02:19:13]>> 3G's, man. Three G's on Star Citizen.

[02:19:16]Yeah.

[02:19:17]>> 10 years ago, but and we still don't have a finished product.

[02:19:23]>> But that's the risk. That's the risk.

[02:19:25]>> It is. It's the risk. And I knew what I was getting into, but you know, in our in our stuff, we have large companies.

[02:19:37]I think that's a wrong I I Okay, so >> we have large companies using Kickstarters and it's ridiculous.

[02:19:44]>> I I would agree with that. Like for a startup company like you and I say let's make a 3D printer company and we're going to do it. I think at that point for us using Kickstarter is probably a viable option.

[02:19:56]>> Yeah.

[02:19:56]>> But I think Kickstarter should be kicking off any companies that actually are already in business.

[02:20:02]>> Yeah. and and now now we're paying the Kickstarter itself is paying for the R&D to develop it.

[02:20:09]>> I think that's a problem because that's what that company should be doing. And if they want to do the pre-sales like you know the Prussa XL did and all let them do that over doing the Kickstarter.

[02:20:23]I mean, I got >> that way customers have uh some sort of recourse, >> right?

[02:20:29]>> If they don't get their product >> because they're using Kickstarter as a liability shield at that point.

[02:20:34]>> Yeah.

[02:20:34]>> That's all they're doing. That needs to be made >> illegal >> flat out. If I go to Kickstarter to buy company XYZ's new printer and it never gets delivered to me, I have no recourse. If I go to their website to buy company XYZ's printer and I never get it, my bank will do just do a charge back and I'll get my my money back, right?

[02:21:05]>> Eventually. Yeah.

[02:21:07]>> So, >> you know, it's just one of those things >> some sort of recourse and some sort of consumer protection, right? It's the same reason that uh everybody tells you when you're buying something from somebody on uh >> PayPal, you don't use PayPal friends or family.

[02:21:30]>> Yeah. Do it as good services, right?

[02:21:34]And and if you're selling something and you don't want to pay that fee, add an extra 3% on the what you're asking.

[02:21:43]like just >> we just we as the consumers need to start saying no to these things and stop being so damn gullible is what it ends up being.

[02:22:06]No, how how I' I'd be interested to know in all the 3D printing community, how much money is tied up into Kickstarters, pre-orders, whatever you know you want to call it, Indiegogo, where somebody has paid for a product that they are promised in the future. How much money is tied up in that right now across all of it?

[02:22:34]>> Millions.

[02:22:36]I'm sure it's over. We're over millions, but I have no clue on the I have no idea.

[02:22:43]>> I wonder if that's actually that would be interesting if somebody could find that out.

[02:22:52]>> You have to first find out all the projects.

[02:22:55]>> But it's not an insignificant number, I assure you.

[02:23:02]>> Yeah.

[02:23:06]But I'm gonna go, gentlemen. It was a pleasure.

[02:23:10]>> It is time to wrap up podcast in general. So, um, if you haven't already, if you're new here, uh, please like, subscribe, do all those YouTuber things. You know what they are. People have been hounding you about it forever.

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[02:23:48]Outside of that, I am Alex Projects and Dad's Garage. I'm joined here tonight by LTX. LTX, welcome to the podcast yet again. First time here. Would you like to uh tell us a bit about what you do, where they can find you?

[02:24:06]>> Yeah, you can find me on Discord, LTXDesigns, Instagram, LTX.designs.

[02:24:12]Eventually, the website will be back up.

[02:24:15]Um, maker of all things. If a machine can make it, I'm the guy that can do it.

[02:24:23]>> Yeah, he makes fantastic products.

[02:24:27]Uh, Cap, what about you? Where do they find you?

[02:24:31]>> Um, just type my name, you you find it. No, just kidding. Um, you can you can find me um on uh my my link tree. That's the easiest one. uh just, you know, go to the the uh the the great linkree slcaptain Kern and that'll bring all the fun things together >> or or on my Discord in voice chat most days.

[02:25:00]>> I'm always there. I don't ever go to my own Discord. So, >> I've even offered Cap that he can just kind of like integrate and I'll set up some channels for him and >> yeah, >> he just he just move into my Discord.

[02:25:15]>> But see, I'VE BEEN I ACTUALLY I I tried to uh convince my buddy to move all of uh the the um what do you call them? the uh uh when you pimp the Discord.

[02:25:32]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[02:25:33]>> Because he's got like $58 uh $58 and you know because I have a custom link.

[02:25:40]>> Yeah.

[02:25:41]>> And I'm like, you know, would you mind doing that you over here? And he's like, no, I'm going to do it for yours only.

[02:25:46]I'm like, okay, >> that's fair. That's fair.

[02:25:50]>> Yeah.

[02:25:52]>> Um Jonathan, what about you?

[02:25:56]Um, pretty much same thing. I'm pretty much live almost on Alex's uh voice voice chat as well pretty much every day.

[02:26:05]>> The voice the voice chat be uh be rocking. Okay, you guys need to come over check out the voice chat. Join the Discord. Uh it's uh it's public. Make sure you go through the verification thing. If you join and I >> and I see that you're in a whole bunch of other 3D printing Discords, I'll verify you and I'll give you the role as member.

[02:26:31]But you know, >> just to let you know, it's a onetime fee of $499 to join.

[02:26:40]>> You can't pay me $499. I will not argue with you, >> but there is no fee to join.

[02:26:47]>> Yeah.

[02:26:48]Anyway, guys, >> trying to work it for you, man. Geez.

[02:26:53]>> You all have a great weekend. Uh, enjoy uh all the other streams that happened over the weekend. We'll talk to you later. Have a great night. Later. How letter?