Total clown comes to debate with his best argument: “Nuh uh!”

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[00:00:00]Next in line is Jared. And then we've got somebody in the YouTube queue. If you want to request up on YouTube, uh the link is tiny.ccdzlive.

[00:00:13]If you want to request up on TikTok, just got to hit that guest request button and we'll get you uh we'll get you another conversation. Uh welcome back, Jared. Um help me um help me remember your background. What what's your theistic position?

[00:00:28]I'm just a believer in Christ, a Christian.

[00:00:31]>> Gotcha. Okay.

[00:00:33]>> You and I spoken probably plenty of times before, but yeah. Go ahead.

[00:00:36]>> I know we've spoken. I'm trying to remember what we spoke about last time so we don't uh we don't do it more than once. Uh but it's okay. I'll just start with the the typical questions. What um what do you think is the best evidence or the best argument for the Christian God being real?

[00:00:57]Well, he's saying Christian God. There's only one God. But um the best evidence for him is Jesus Christ who is God.

[00:01:04]>> Sure. Yeah. Can you prove that >> based off what he said of him dying on a cross and raising from the dead >> and also >> Sure. Yeah. Prove that from the dead >> and the eyewitnesses >> who >> because if he didn't rise from the dead >> who are the witness >> then he'll still be in grave today. No, he um you'll see some disciples.

[00:01:28]>> He is in the grave today. We have no idea where he was buried. He's >> not in the grave.

[00:01:32]>> We have no records of where he was buried. We have no idea what happened to his body after he was hung up on the cross. Alls we know from what we have of historical text seems to be that he died. We we have no idea where he's buried. We have no evidence that he rose from the dead. His 12 disciples, one of them deserted him >> and the other 11 didn't leave us writings. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are anonymous texts. They're not from eyewitnesses. They admit that they're not eyewitnesses. And they come decades after the events. And they read just like other resurrection accounts. And you don't believe other resurrection accounts. So why would I believe in the resurrection accounts secondhand text?

[00:02:10]>> Prove it.

[00:02:12]>> Well, if Jesus Christ raised from the dead, then you can throw the rest of the Bible out while you're at it.

[00:02:17]>> Yeah, I [ __ ] agree. Paul says the same thing in 1 Corinthians chapter 15.

[00:02:21]Christ and not raised from the dead that we should be pied amongst all men. I agree. So what's the evidence >> that he did rise from the dead?

[00:02:29]>> The empty tomb.

[00:02:32]>> Prove that there was an empty tomb.

[00:02:35]>> He's no longer in the grave.

[00:02:37]>> You don't even found his body.

[00:02:39]>> You can't. Yeah, we don't live in the the land of Israel, so we're not going to find an empty grave. So again, um you don't know where was he buried? Where was his tomb? What's his location?

[00:02:51]I don't know the exact location itself.

[00:02:53]I can't go back in time.

[00:02:54]>> Okay. So, you don't even you don't even know where the empty tomb was, much less that there was an empty tomb.

[00:02:59]>> So, why do you assume that he is still in the grave today?

[00:03:03]>> Because he's dead.

[00:03:06]>> What makes you think he's still dead?

[00:03:08]>> Because nobody resurrects from the dead.

[00:03:14]>> There are people who have came back to life. That has happened.

[00:03:18]>> They're dead now.

[00:03:21]Yeah, they're dead now, but doesn't really come back to life.

[00:03:23]>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh they're not dead. If they come back to life, that means they had a near-death experience. Uh and now they're alive again. Or some of them came back from near dead and they're dead after they were alive for theoretically the second time. So, the reality is death has a 100% win.

[00:03:41]>> Death has a 100% win record. Nobody has defeated death yet. So, in order to claim that Jesus did, we need some actual evidence, not claims.

[00:03:51]>> Sure. You got your Bible. It talks about it.

[00:03:53]>> Uh, the Bible's >> Jesus.

[00:03:55]>> The Bible's not the evidence. The Bible is the claim.

[00:04:00]>> It's evidence.

[00:04:01]>> It's not evidence.

[00:04:02]>> Tell us what you know about anybody else coming back from the dead or know anything else about Jesus Christ if you didn't have the Bible. Well, the f the funny thing is people outside of the Bible wrote about Jesus hundreds of years later. Like, we actually don't need the Bible to know a little bit about Jesus. But the reality is just because somebody wrote about it doesn't mean it's actually true.

[00:04:24]>> Dozens of resurrection accounts in the ancient world have been recorded by historians. So the resurrection of Aristius was recorded by Heroditus, Ply the Elder, Appalonius, Diodoris, Plutarch, and you don't believe that Aristius rose from the dead, do you?

[00:04:44]>> We're talking about Jesus Christ.

[00:04:46]>> I know I'm making a direct comparison to somebody else who has historical evidence of resurrection, and I'm demonstrating that just because an old book says that it happened doesn't mean that it happened. So for example in the writings of appalonius he says many people saw Aristius still teaching in Sicily after his death it says this kind of thing happened to him often over a long period of time and his appearances in Sicily became quite frequent and generally wellknown so that the Sicilians accorded a shrine and sacrifices to him as a hero. So do you believe that Rristius was making appearances after his death in Sicily?

[00:05:28]No, I highly doubt that. No.

[00:05:30]>> Okay. So, what I'm saying is by the by the same credence that you're going to dismiss the other rection resurrection accounts, I'm going to dis dismiss your resurrection account. There's no difference between the two.

[00:05:47]>> Why do you believe there's no difference between the two?

[00:05:50]>> Because there's not.

[00:05:53]I read them.

[00:05:55]They're just accounts of a god who who was claimed to have resurrected and nobody resurrects.

[00:06:01]>> They're mythologies. If you don't believe that Aristius rose from the dead, then I have no reason to believe that Jesus rose from the dead. Being that I actually have more historical evidence for Aristius than I do for Jesus.

[00:06:18]>> How many people saw I can't pronounce his name. How many people saw each other got raised from the dead? multitudes of people >> says that it happened frequently to large groups of people and in fact um it happened so much that they erected a statue of him next to the statue of Apollo and began worshiping him as a god after his death. In fact, in Herodotus, he says, um, "What follows I know happened to the people plural of the Mettopians in Italy 240 years after the second disappearance of Aristius. I was found um as I found by putting together the evidence of the prokinesises of the Metaponin. The people of Metapon say that Aristius himself appeared in their land and bathed them to set up an altar of Apollo and place by its side a statue bearing the name of Aristius of Prokinesis. So a multitude of witnesses over hundreds of of years have claimed to see the resurrected Aristius. So why would I believe that Jesus rose from the dead and not Aristius?

[00:07:34]Well, because there's a lot of people that saw Jesus Christ, that's for sure.

[00:07:38]Like, they know him as a real individual.

[00:07:42]>> Um, some of the women who saw Jesus Christ at the temple as well.

[00:07:45]>> Did they write Did they write anything for us? Did they leave us any testimony?

[00:07:50]>> Um, yeah, you got the rest of the gospels.

[00:07:52]>> No, we don't. The women didn't leave us any testimony. They didn't write anything. These are are stories about people who claim to have been there. But the people who were there didn't leave us anything. They didn't write us anything.

[00:08:07]>> Then what can you say for the rest of the gospels about the people who saw Jesus Christ raised from the dead and ascended back up into heaven?

[00:08:14]>> They just made up for us. Yes, it was made up the same way was made up.

[00:08:22]What makes you think that what Jesus Christ rises from the dead and the witnesses who saw him after he died is completely made up >> because Aristius is made up. So again, what makes you believe that Aristius didn't rise from the dead?

[00:08:39]>> Well, outside the part that it is made up is that >> No. How do you know it's made up?

[00:08:44]>> There isn't.

[00:08:45]>> How do you know it's made up?

[00:08:47]>> I don't know. I don't know too much about this other person that you're speaking about, but it sounds like somebody's trying to copy Christ. So, >> they're not copying Christ. Like, >> this is hundreds of years before him.

[00:08:57]Christ copied Aristius.

[00:09:01]>> Sure, he did.

[00:09:03]>> Yeah, he did.

[00:09:03]>> But Jesus Christ walked out of a grave and conquered death.

[00:09:06]>> And I'm pretty sure there's nobody else around talking about this.

[00:09:10]>> That's a claim that never happened.

[00:09:14]>> Well, have you checked the claim? of 500 years before Jesus rose from the dead and became a god after his death. 500 years prior. We have all kinds of resurrection accounts prior to Jesus.

[00:09:27]Jesus's resurrection account >> is nonsense. It's just another copy of the ones that came before it.

[00:09:34]>> Well, there's a lot of things in the world that try it best to copy the Bible or try to copy Jesus Christ as make it true.

[00:09:40]>> It's crazy that you were listening. The resurrection of Arisus was 500 years before Jesus. Did you capture that part, Jared?

[00:09:50]>> Yeah, I caught that part.

[00:09:51]>> Gotcha. So, if anyone's copying from anything, what that means is that the story of Jesus was copying from Aristius and not the other way around being that four to 500 years prior, we already have the right. In fact, it was more than that cuz Herodotus was writing about it and it already happened before Heroditus wrote about it, which means it was probably close to 650 years prior to Jesus.

[00:10:15]>> And I'm pretty sure there's some other type of religion out there that's similar to this that is copying Jesus Christ as well, saying that, hey, I rose from the dead.

[00:10:24]>> Well, we're not talking about those.

[00:10:25]We're talking about right now doing the exact same thing.

[00:10:30]What I'm doing is I'm comparing them because they all saying >> you don't even know what you're comparing them to. You're comparing to them to some fictitious thing that you're positing could happen. I'm not.

[00:10:39]I'm comparing it to something that I know was actually happening in history.

[00:10:43]There was an actual guy named Aristius.

[00:10:45]And people actually believed and wrote about the fact that he rose from the dead. And you have no reason to believe that the story of your sky carcass is somehow superior to the story of Aristius.

[00:10:56]>> Well, one's God, one isn't.

[00:10:58]>> Prove it. And plus, Jesus Christ conquered death through his death and resurrection, you know, from him dying on a cross.

[00:11:05]>> Prove it.

[00:11:06]>> Um, he was there in Genesis. He created the heaven and the earth. I mean, there's plenty of stuff in the Bible that points to >> these are all claims. Like Jared, I don't think you understand what it means to prove something. Like, doubling down on a claim doesn't make it true. I could do the same thing. I could say, "Nope, Arisus was there. Arisus did that."

[00:11:26]>> Okay. Well, why don't you believe what I'm tellas? Aristius is a member of the Trinity, not Jesus. Aristius um was God manifested in the flesh. Uh not Jesus.

[00:11:37]Jesus was a liar and a fraud and an impostor who not only lied to his disciples, lied to everybody else and didn't fulfill a single messianic prophecy. He lied even about who was speaking in the Old Testament. He doesn't even know in Psalm 111 that uh the person speaking is somebody in King David's court. He thinks David is speaking. In Isaiah 61, he literally thinks that it's a prophecy about a future individual when it's really the prophet himself talking about himself bringing messages to the Israelites.

[00:12:08]He's a goof. He couldn't read Hebrew. He didn't know what was in the Hebrew Bible. Every time he mentions the Hebrew Bible and opens up his mouth, a lie comes out.

[00:12:21]Well, you sound like some of those people back during Jesus time period who accused them of being a liar.

[00:12:26]>> Yeah, cuz he was 77 gives you a direct lie.

[00:12:30]>> He lied directly to his >> You're doing the exact same thing they did.

[00:12:34]>> I know. Cuz they were right and you're wrong.

[00:12:38]>> Yeah, you're doing the exact same thing they did.

[00:12:41]>> Yep. Because you're wrong and I'm right.

[00:12:44]Jesus literally says that he's not going to go to the festival. So he says uh in ver we're going to back up to verse six though. Give me a second to get verse six in here.

[00:12:55]>> So Jesus says my time has not yet come but your time is always here. The world cannot hate you but it will but it hates me. Which is funny because he says the world cannot hate you but in the synoptics he says that the world will hate you. Which is crazy. It says uh uh it hates me because I testify against it that it works evil. Go to the festival yourselves. I am not going to this festival for my time has not yet fully come. After saying this, he remained in Galilee, but after his brothers had gone to the festival, he also went not publicly as it were, but in secret, which means Jesus lied directly to his disciples so that he can go there in secret rather with them. That makes him a liar.

[00:13:39]>> He didn't lie about anything. Like for example, >> he did lie. Let me we'll try this again.

[00:13:44]So let's let's actually let's pay attention to what it says.

[00:13:47]>> Jesus says words. Those words are I am not going to this festival.

[00:13:53]>> Okay. So did he go to the festival or not?

[00:13:58]>> Go ahead. You can answer it.

[00:13:59]>> Did he go to the festival or not?

[00:14:02]>> Yeah, he went.

[00:14:03]>> Did he say he was going?

[00:14:05]>> Did you say he was going here yet?

[00:14:09]>> Did he say he was going or not?

[00:14:10]>> Scroll back up.

[00:14:11]>> Did he say he was going or not? Did he say he was going or not?

[00:14:14]>> Scroll back up so I can read it.

[00:14:16]>> Oh, you don't have a Bible? I'm not surprised. You're a King James only. You never read the Bible.

[00:14:22]>> He says, "I am not going to this festival for my time as yet has not yet fully come."

[00:14:28]>> Yeah. So, he's not going.

[00:14:29]>> Four is the beginning of the excuse for why he's not going.

[00:14:33]>> Says, "I'm not going to the festival because my time has not yet come."

[00:14:38]>> What that means is he's not going to the festival. And the reason why he's not going to the festival is because his time of revealing isn't at hand yet.

[00:14:47]Which is why he ends up going in secret.

[00:14:50]He goes secretly to the festival because his time has not come yet. He didn't want to be revealed. So what that means is he lied to his disciples so that he could go there privately in secret.

[00:15:05]>> All right. I think you kind of you was doing great until you messed up. All right. I was I'm 100% correct on this.

[00:15:14]>> But you said he wasn't going yet because his time is not yet come. So when the time comes, but he did go. Now, as you said, he >> But he did go. So it's almost like you don't know how words work. So we'll try this from the beginning. So what comes after for is the reason for what was before it. He says, I'm not going to the festival. Why? The word for or because lets you know that the next clause is the reason why this is not happening.

[00:15:40]The reason why I'm not going to the festival is because my time is not yet fully come. So what that means is that he is not going to the festival. Why he's not going to the festival is irrelevant. He says, "I'm not going to the festival." And he knew the whole time that he was going to the festival.

[00:16:00]If he didn't know if he was going to the festival or not, he could have just said, "I don't know if I'm going to the festival or not." But what he said is, "I'm not going to the festival." And then he immediately went there after his his brothers left the house.

[00:16:17]>> Okay. But you missed a part where you said his time has not yet come.

[00:16:20]>> I didn't miss it. I explained it to you three times.

[00:16:23]>> That's the excuse for why he's not going. So, we'll try this for the third, fifth, sixth time. This is this is why this is not happening. He's saying I am not going to the festival because my time has not come. This is not saying I'm going to the festival when my time comes. He's saying I am not going to the festival. And the reason why I'm not going to the festival, my time has not come. Now, if he knew that his time would come during the festival, he would have said, "I'll come to the festival when my time comes." He didn't say that.

[00:16:59]He said, "I am not going to the festival." So, what that means is one of two things. Either A, Jesus lied, or B, Jesus doesn't know the future because he's not omnisient, which means he's not a member of the Trinity because in order to be 100% God, you have to possess omniscience.

[00:17:17]Or C, maybe you're just getting it completely wrong.

[00:17:21]>> Then prove me wrong.

[00:17:24]>> I've already explained it to you twice.

[00:17:25]>> You didn't explain it to me.

[00:17:28]>> What you said is not wrong because you actually have no idea what's in your own book. The only argument you've ever provided every time we've talked, which we've talked multiple times now, >> the only argument you ever provide to anything is nuh-uh, you're wrong because you've never read this book. You have no idea what's in it. You've never taken a single Bible study or hermeneutics class and you're completely lost every time we read it. Every time we read this book, the only argument you can ever muster up is nuh-uh. Which makes it a boring, dull, dumb conversation that not even the audience gets to enjoy. Not even as you're getting literally roasted alive, the audience can't even enjoy it because you're too incapacitated and concussed to put up even a modiccom of like logical reputation to anything I'm saying. It's just you getting literally steamrolled and cooked because you have no idea what this book says or how to even read English.

[00:18:20]>> Well, if that was the case, I wouldn't be up here talking to you about it if I didn't know anything about the Bible.

[00:18:26]>> That is the case. Jared, don't come back. I'm not going to talk to you for a fifth time. You have no idea what's in this book. You have no idea how English words work and you're not fun to talk to.