The Marshmallow Experiment, conducted in Australia, followed children from birth to age 45 and found that impulse control and delayed gratification were the strongest predictors of success, more significant than IQ or family economic status. Children who could wait for a second marshmallow instead of eating the first one immediately were more likely to achieve better outcomes in adulthood, including higher income, better health, and fewer addictions. This research suggests that self-control is a teachable discipline that can be developed through repetition and habit formation, and that it is more important than traditional markers of success like intelligence or wealth.
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>> Yeah, get it on. Got get on the trip.
Get it on. Dr. Drew is a board of fertiz.
>> What's going on there? Drew, >> impulse control, buddy. Something you've said for a long time that if people can delay gratification, that might be more important than just about anything else for people.
>> Well, we are having a major crisis in this country about delayed gratification and impulse control.
>> It It's your It's your thing. It's your Door Dash theory really or zero gravity theory ultimately. Yeah, it's it's a um it see it's when I say, you know, I always say diet and exercise. I just that's my metaphor for all things grandpa knew, you know, just just work family. I used to just go family and education, family, diet and exercise, like real basic [ __ ] >> And then people want to get on OMIC and they want their Door Dash. And I'm like, these are these are shortcuts and they will not serve you. they'll not serve you. And they're like, well, what's wrong with And it's like >> and then that's my version, which is no free lunch in nature.
>> No free lunch in nature, right? And so I was studying this like long before I I knew I was studying it. And it >> it's a basically a study that came out and I'll paraphrase it and looking for it, but uh and Drew knows about it so Drew can correct me if I got something wrong, but >> I think it was in Australia. They just said, "Look, we're going to follow kids from birth till age 45." I mean, we'll follow them continuously could, you know, but we're gonna die, but someone will follow them and they'll be 70.
We're just going to follow newborns and and see what the success rate is for these kids >> and what traits are associated with that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. What traits are associated with success? Yeah.
>> And it turned out that it didn't have IQ wasn't that big a deal and family economic status, wealth, like all this stuff. Bernie Sanders never stops talking about >> it. It really wasn't a factor. It was all impulse control. It was all can you control yourself?
>> And it starts showing up when they're two or three, you know, can you can you Drew, explain the marshmallow.
>> Well, there was essentially a study.
It's a study that's been assailed and yet it is a it's emerging from its time of something under scrutiny to have been held to be quite true. And essentially what they do is they put a kid in a room, they put two marshmallows in front of them and say, "Listen, if you just wait a couple minutes here, uh you can eat one, but don't eat both. And there if there's more marshmallows ahead if you're able to hang out and then the experimentter goes, "Hang on a second. I got to leave the room for a second." And a lot of kids just throw the marshmallows in their mouth immediately.
>> Those kids don't do so well, >> turns out.
>> And other kids employ various strategies to make sure they contain their impulses.
>> Yes.
>> So impulse control turns out it's a really important thing.
>> It may be the most important thing. So with these kids, the ones that did not have impulse control, you know, made less money, were had more addiction, had worse health outcomes. Obviously, they couldn't stop smoking or drinking or eating, you know, junk food or whatever is. And it was literally just across the board, all measurables, the people who lacked the impulse control uh did the worst at at everything. And there was a even a a sort of a graph maybe at the bottom or something. Yeah. Oh, there it is. And you can blow it up a little bit, but um I So I kind of did this study. Now you're you're talking >> I I want to also notice that there's a difference between impulse control and delay gratification.
>> Yeah. What is that? What is that? I mean, I know they're slightly different, but it's the same person.
No one has no one.
>> They're both important. No one has one and not the other.
>> Correct. You >> if you have an impulse problem, you have a delayed gratification problem.
>> Correct.
>> And if you can do the delayed gratification, you don't have an impulse problem.
>> I I think the reason I'm parsing them out is some people have stronger impulses than others. But if they have a very strong sense of what the importance of delay gratification, they can still manage a stronger impulse. I have so I have the impulse control and the I have delayed gratification. Yeah. And and it has served me.
>> Yeah.
>> Really well. Yes.
>> And it it it's the difference between me and the guys I grew up with >> who I realize have no impulse control and no delayed gratification. And so it turns >> but but if you blow up this chart here, Andrew, we can sort of see what the measurables are here because I can't quite read it from here. I I by the way, in the impulse control and the delayed gratification, um I've been on a diet.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And I've literally sat at a high top with Mike August and watched him eat an entire thing of fish and chips. I just sat 14 inches from him and watched him.
Then the other night uh at the comedy club, he he had uh shrimp with fetuccini alfredo and I watched him eat the whole thing. And then I left a huge there was another huge plate of fries all in the green room. I'm singing. I just stared.
>> I just stared at all of it after not eating dinner that night. And they kept coming in. It was a huge restaurant.
They go, "You want anything? You want anything? You want anything?" And I was like, "No." And then yesterday I sat across and watched someone ate fresh guacamole and fresh chips and I literally just sat and watched. By the way, the people that don't account for that when you're starving. I don't know.
It's a weird thing. But people will if I knew someone wasn't partaking, I would probably go, I just get a Diet Coke and I'll eat when we get home. But now they order, they go right in.
>> That is not the graph.
>> I said the word graph, didn't I?
>> The bar graph. I >> bar graph.
>> I I didn't put bar in there because >> you didn't put cartoon. You said bar graph.
>> No, I just said blow up the graph so we can see the the thing. Sorry.
>> But there's another >> I screenshotted each one so that I could specifically blow it up.
>> All right. Well, just give us the graph, please.
>> So So here's what's important. What's interesting is my part of my delay gratification is >> I'm gratified by gains.
>> Yes.
>> And so I don't want to lose the gains.
Yes, that's where I can really keep my So getting started for me is harder than continuing.
>> Yes. Yes. Thank you. That's that's a good point. Getting starting started for me is harder than >> you have to decide, you know, it's like, okay, now's the time. Like you have to be ready. And then when people that work in motivational worlds talk about, you know, pre-contemplative, contemplative, preparation, change.
>> Yes.
>> And then sustaining the change. just for me it's a simple thing you you have a date for something could be an event for me walk of fame star could be a car race or something and I just a month out I just circle that event and go all right I want to be down 10 pounds by that or whatever and then you just do it >> go about it >> you have yeah that's your version of that but this is interesting right so we're looking at a bar graph of adult outcomes com comparing ing self-control scores of the lowest self-control quintile and the highest self-control quintile.
>> Yes.
>> And I would call this a positive result.
It's like it's literally is it 10 times 10 times more likely to have substance dependence, financial difficulty, criminal convention, conviction, single parenthood, and even physical health problems.
>> 10 times.
>> Well, is that 10 times?
>> Well, they're around an 8 to 10 there.
And then they get up towards 80.
>> You got between 20 and 80 is >> four times there. Okay.
>> That's all sort of in that.
>> This is your this is your you have a better visual.
>> All right. The point is is it's significant. It's health problems. It is basically 20% versus 100 or close to 100%. So >> substance is you know 18 19% versus you know 90%. Uh financial difficulties again 18 19% 90%.
Criminal conviction more like 15% versus 80%. And single parenthood more like uh 14% versus um >> 70 >> 70%. It is it is >> it is significant and all we need and by the way like I said it doesn't matter how much money your family has and it doesn't matter IQ. So, so wouldn't the the next obvious investigation be how to enhance that self-control, >> right? But, but someone someone is going to deem this racist and then we won't be able to help people, >> right?
>> But I >> I'm going to bet having lack of trauma, le less chaos, less moving around, less chaos, that has shown to be more important than anything else. So, chaos.
>> Yeah. you it's a but it's a discipline is a discipline and you can teach it >> you have to you have to repeat you have to do it a habit it's a habit >> it's a habit >> right and so >> it's not a discipline that's that is something that is done you know a few times it has to be sustained >> yes but at some point you're going to have to impose it on yourself and um I like I said I knew it because I grew up with guys that had none of it. And I I used to say to these guys when I was telling Drew about this, you know, my my nickname was uh Walt.
>> Grandpa Walt.
>> Well, wasn't it?
>> It ended up being Walt, but it was for Grandpa Walton.
It was uh from the Waltons. But I was I was called Grandpa because I was saying to everybody, "Hey, you know, where are we going to be in 10 years here, guys?"
you know, we're just like drinking beer and trying to get laid and having fun.
And if these guys got a hundred bucks, they spent it on sushi, you know, that night. And and it's like, you don't even have a hundred bucks. They wasted >> they did everything wrong. And and I kept saying to them, uh, where are we going to be? Where are we going to be?
Kind of thing.
>> Yeah.
>> And they made fun of me. And so I said, well, you know what? I'm not going to be doing this when I'm 30, you know, living paycheck to paycheck and no insurance and living this kind of life.
I I it's an uncomfortable it it's it's not a good life and I didn't want it, you know. And so >> I set about to change that trajectory and uh >> and I you know I took my classes at night and did my stuff at night. I did a lot of free everything was free or it cost me money >> and and I but they couldn't control themselves at all. I I remember my my buddy Chris got put on like academic probation and he between his junior and senior year, whatever it was, he wasn't going to be eligible to play football cuz he never showed up for like the 11th grade. Was he as into football as you were?
>> He wasn't he wasn't as into it, but he was more talented than I was and and had a lot of natural ability >> and was huge >> and was but it was now he wasn't huge, but he's big and he was strong and he was getting >> offers already in the junior year for scholarships and things of that nature and could have gotten himself a scholarship to to to a college if he was eligible to play his senior year.
>> Yeah.
>> And so it was worked out that he was going to go to Vanise High for summer school in between junior and senior year so then he'd get his eligibility back and then he could go play his senior year and then he could, you know, get, you know, he he could get a free ride to some college. And and I remember kind of uh chaperoning him like going like, "Hey, I'll I'll get you in the morning, give you a ride, drop you off."
>> You knew he was in trouble. He couldn't do it.
>> Well, these guys didn't do a lot of the stuff they said they were would do or were supposed to do. And uh he you know he he showed up late a couple of days and he was really it's like a summer school is like a six-w weekek program or something. It wasn't the entire summer and it wasn't even that bad. I was from 8 to noon you know for 6 weeks.
>> Yeah.
>> Nowhere to be found. Didn't show up. Um basically dropped out. Never never just you know he went to the beach. He wanted to party. He want to have fun. and went to go to the reservoir and drink beers and stuff and it just never and just just flamed out and just never never showed up his senior year and just and >> same guy that got run run over and then got some money and >> went to Hawaii.
>> Yeah. Yeah. With a check for $11,000. Uh yeah. Yeah. And and my other buddy Ray's the same way that neither one of them played. They both were potential football stars. Couldn't make it their senior year. like couldn't get it together to go to their senior year of of high school and like play sports.
>> So, you could someone could argue that or be critical that you're unforgiving of poor people, right?
>> I am. Yes. And >> well, no, I'm realistic about poor people. This AOC version of mom stealing bread to try to go look at the film [ __ ] and see him looting the Louis Vuitton store. It's not that's who that's who they are. What I'm telling you is I know who these people are. I lived with these people. I watch these people. I study these people. They're not virtuous people who give you the shirt off their back. They're mainly moochers who figure out ways. They're moochers who [ __ ] steal [ __ ] from people. They're there's nothing noble about them at all. And and they're exactly where they should be because of their own actions. Nobody put them where they are.
>> Which begs the question again, is there something we could do to help them >> and it's really not given >> could we we could stop saying they were stealing bread when they were stealing handbags.
>> So it's being realistic about what the issue is, of course. And number two, not giving things cuz that that creates more trouble, right?
>> Nobody more. Of course, nobody in my family ever [ __ ] worked a weekend once. One Saturday ever.
>> Never. So don't give me this like super hardworking, you know, this [ __ ] these guys pedal all the time.
>> Yeah, >> it's [ __ ] These people are first off, they work hard because they have to.
>> Okay, >> that that's that they're on a construction site, not because they want to be on a construction site. If they'd love to fall off the ladder and claim a disability and stay home, they they'd love it. They're they're they did not properly train for anything.
My my two buddies I'm talking about are going to a job site today. I'm not.
They're working harder than me.
Yes, technically. Find that [ __ ] [ __ ] Hassan [ __ ] talking about hard work. [ __ ] idiots. They They're [ __ ] idiots. Of course. I used to work 25 times harder than I work today. I if look, I crawled underneath buildings from the 30s and 20s that were condemned for earthquake issues in Korea Town with about three probably about probably about three foot of crawl space and and had to dig footings which are miniature graves basically underneath, you know, plumbing walls while [ __ ] pipes and [ __ ] were dripping and [ __ ] down there in dirt on my belly. And no, I did not do it with a shovel because there wasn't enough room. I did it with a [ __ ] coffee can. So, believe you [ __ ] me.
I worked a lot harder than sitting here in air conditioning and talking to Dr. Drew. Yes. And guess what? Now I make 300 times more than I did back then.
>> Right.
>> So, what what are you talking about, Hassan P? Well, watch this clip. These guys are [ __ ] nuts. Well, they're actual I'm sorry. They're fools. After the break, we will see this. I try to be intentional about what I wear. Usually something comfortable, but you know, put together. I'm on camera sometimes.
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>> All right. So, this is isn't underlying this sort of a fundamental understanding of society and economics and >> Yes. Yes. And and by the way, this Hassan [ __ ] douche, this is not his idea.
>> I my my mom in 1972, >> by the way, I know all these IDEAS CUZ I [ __ ] HEARD THEM WHEN I was nine.
>> I heard them.
>> I've heard them years ago.
>> I will attest to the fact that we both lived through the 70s. We both declared it the worst decade in the history of this country. Thank God it's over.
Unbelievable. We're hearing the same [ __ ] all over again.
>> They're bringing it back like bell bottoms.
>> Yeah. So, my mom would go like these I don't know why these basketball players, big tall guys, they stand under the hoop, they throw him the ball, he drops it in the hoop, and he gets paid a hundred times more than a school teacher. Like, okay, dude. But, by the way, no wonder you don't have any money, >> right?
>> You don't know how any of this [ __ ] works, [ __ ] >> Right. So what the basketball player should give his money to the teachers?
How's that work?
>> The only thing they're clear about is they don't give any money to anybody ever, including pay taxes.
>> Well, let's let's >> that's all my mom complained about. Rich people never pay taxes, >> right?
>> So, pardon me if I'm not listening to you, but >> we should we should tell the after we do this, we should tell the champagne story again because it's so >> it's it's it's a great metaphor.
>> Okay.
>> All right. Here, here's Hassan [ __ ] >> Jeff Bezos is nothing without all the labor that allowed him to become a billionaire. Okay, there is no value without labor. Jeff Bezos was unbelievably and immensely lucky.
>> Hold on a second.
I you know what I don't really understand about the labor thing >> and even about the you know you're off the back of profit profiting off of you know it's like I built houses my whole life. You go in, you build the house, you get 15 bucks an hour. Uh it's up in the Hollywood Hills. It's up in Malibuts and Silver Lake or whatever. And then 10 years later the [ __ ] house is worth five times as much in SoCal. They don't come back and give you a rebate check or anything. You [ __ ] You got >> for the work you did.
>> YOU GOT [ __ ] PAID. THE GUY BOUGHT a house in Silver Lake for 300 grand. You came, you know, a long time ago. You came in there and did did a gut job on it. Fix it all up. And then seven years later, he sells it for one two. Where's my rebate check? I I don't get it. I got paid. I showed up. By the way, it was my own valition. I I chose to do it.
>> Embedded in here is a disdain for and a lack of understanding of ownership.
>> Yes.
>> And once you dig further, even property.
>> Yeah.
>> You're not supposed to have property.
That's >> Bezos got super lucky. But he built this >> with labor. Yes. Everyone who lives in a home >> was built by somebody else.
>> But let's even say it more broadly.
>> But you paid them.
>> Let's make it more broadly. All business is relationships where you're relying on all the people you hire to build your business on your behalf and you own it.
>> Well, the other part is >> you can't do it with other people.
That's true.
>> Nobody Nobody has to work at McDonald's if they're, you know, they don't want to pay. Okay, have McDonald's not pay. I >> I'll tell you what. Let's do an experiment. McDonald's, stop paying your employees. See what happens. Right. And then once nobody comes in, you can offer what you call slave wages. I will pay you $2 an hour and then no one will ever [ __ ] work there again. That's how it's going to work. You don't have to work at McDonald's. You don't have to build a house with me in Silverlake and you don't have to work at Amazon if you do not want to.
>> Right.
>> I I don't even get why this is a discussion, but all right, let's hear.
But but but I will concede though all businesses everything is built with other people.
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> All right. Here we go.
>> Bezos was unbelievably and immensely lucky.
>> This is luck again.
>> At numerous points in his life.
>> I'm sure he worked hard.
>> What?
>> You know who else works hard? Who?
>> A [ __ ] teacher. A nurse. Okay.
Probably a lot harder than Jeff Bezos ever did. Jeff Bezos does not work a billion times or 20 billion times harder than the average teacher or the average nurse does. He works >> Hold on. Pause it. How many weekends has the average teacher worked versus Jeff Bezos, [ __ ] How many weekends? How many [ __ ] weekends do teachers work?
I'll answer. Zero. And they get three months off during summer. Nobody gets three months off. I mean, maybe maybe if you live in Greece, you get [ __ ] three months off. Nobody gets three months off and never works a [ __ ] weekend. See if Jeff Bezos when he was starting Amazon took three months off for the summer and never worked a weekend. [ __ ] off.
>> [ __ ] nurses and teachers, the two shittiest professions, two nuttiest [ __ ] professions. How does this reasoning figure into the money that Nancy Pelosi and AOC and what about their do they have hundreds of millions of dollars some of them?
>> Yes.
>> Do they did they work hundreds of millions of times harder than the people who paid the taxes?
>> Well, luck he doesn't he conveniently leaves out his heroes. But luck first thing they do they love to work luck.
And I'll tell you why.
Cuz if I worked real hard for my money and you wanted to take it, that's a moral dilemma. If I got lucky, >> not a moral dilemma, right?
>> All right, here we go.
>> 20 billion times harder than the average teacher or the average nurse does. He was, however, 20 billion times luckier than the average teacher or the average nurse, right? Making the right decisions, being at the right place in the right time, being born into the right family. These are all unbelievable. In fact, >> making the right decisions is not luck.
Yeah. We just did the whole delayed gratification thing. I made >> the right decisions when I was in my early 20s. My friends did not make those same decisions. But that wasn't about luck. It was very valitional. I was >> How does he explain the money he's making >> sitting behind a microphone? Yeah.
>> Is he working 100 times harder than >> Here's the thing. I knew the guy was dangerous and I knew his rhetoric was [ __ ] and all that kind of stuff, but I I didn't know he was a dope. You know, this is this proves he's a he's a he's a dope. I love when people just post pictures of him and his riding outfit with his high boots and his helmet and stuff sitting on his pony when he was fat and 13 like, "Oh, thanks. Thanks, rich kid."
>> Oh, he was a rich kid. Great.
>> Yeah.
>> Isn't he in some trouble right now, too?
Help me with this. I don't know. Go back. Just go back 10. Andrew hates him.
Everyone should aim. But >> however, >> that's why it go ahead.
>> 20 billion times luckier than the average teacher or the average nurse.
>> 20 billion times luckier.
>> Making the right decisions, being at the right place in the right time, being born into the right family. These are all unbelievably important factors in this in the success that people arrive at. I guess being if you consider being a billionaire to be a good thing also fortunate enough to be a little bit of a sociopath not even a little bit a lot bit of a sociopath to be able to be vicious.
>> All right. So he's 20 billion times luckier uh than poor Chuck over here as far as I can tell has not been the recipient of any luck.
>> He is in under investigation from the federal government US Treasury Department over recent travel to Cuba.
his march participation in Newestra America convoy. Let me let me explain.
>> He met with what's her name? The former green. He look these people are communists who hate this country. That's about it. And they're they but they're luxury communists. They're not living the life of a country, >> right? Luxury ideas.
>> Beliefs. Yeah. Very beliefs.
>> Yeah. But I'm calling them luxury communists. That's the picture we laugh about. I like that. First off, the the notion that you would be 12 and own a blazer jacket sounds exotic to me.
Then I would >> be ride on a horse.
>> Oh, well, no. You could go to, you know, the Burbank stables or something. If your school went there or something or someone had a birthday party and they rented out two horses or something, you could do that.
>> No. Owning a helmet. He's wearing a white tie and a blazer.
>> And I This is exotic. But but no one I grew up with would have a helmet.
>> Yeah.
>> No way. purchase.
Weirdly, where I the way I grew up, >> I didn't know anyone who owned golf clubs >> or or or anything. It was like that stuff was exotic.
>> That was exotic in my world.
>> Yes.
>> Listen, my dad for you, Dad had friends who golfed, who owned golf clubs.
>> My dad, the idea of skis.
>> Oh, skis.
>> Was like wild. Like, are you kidding me?
You're going to Why would you're going to buy? Holy [ __ ] And I remember I bought a parka.
>> Yeah.
>> And and I had to buy it super on sale like at a not a thrift shop but like a clearance thing and it was like two sizes too small. But that was the only way I could go skiing.
>> I had a parka. Well, I never went skiing but I had a parka but it was the kind that was filled with the dacron pile.
Not not the down. Yeah. The weird nonpuffy sad.
>> I had that too.
>> The sad parka. The saddest of all the parkas. Yeah. was filled with Owens Corning rolled insulation. Yeah, it was weird. Some sort of cancerous chemical that didn't do anything.
>> I'm sure.
>> Yeah. The cool kids had the down ones.
>> I just It was like It was You got to remember I I come from poor also. It's just the next generation.
>> No, they Your family had money. Your But your dad thought like a poor person.
>> He was a poor person, but he was Here's what >> But he made money.
>> No, no, no. But listen, but listen. They they came here from Ukraine with we are going to sacrifice and delay our gratification for our kids and they're going to delay their gratification to be successful.
>> Yes.
>> And they >> But your dad had a Cadillac and a condo at the beach.
>> Not not in all when all that was going on. That was later.
>> Well, no. But how old were you when when you were still there?
>> By the time I was uh 15, we sort of found our way out, >> I would say. But before that, I was like, >> I think I think my mom and sister eroded his uh will.
>> They warmed down.
>> They warmed down.
>> His uncle, >> I couldn't do it.
>> Shank Wager or whatever. I don't know that guy. The big dope.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Big dope. Who yells at me all the time with Jadam Corolla? No, he knows nothing.
>> Wow. He's a former chair of the board.
His dad's former chair of the board of directors of a multi-billion dollar Turkish conglomerate.
>> It's always perfect. That's perfect. By the way, >> it's like it's like a dam. You know, you know, Drew, you know, I've said to you all the time, I can act like an [ __ ] because I I know I'm not one and I can make racist jokes because I know I'm not one. I can tell you about poor people because I was a poor person. I lived and worked with these people. I [ __ ] off.
You can't if you come from something where you had a pony and a riding helmet. I can I will [ __ ] tell you about poor people. There's nothing good about them. Oh, by the way, if poor people were all virtuous, we'd have no crime and no theft and no anything. It's not rich people aren't stealing and committing those violent crimes. Who's committing all the [ __ ] crimes? It's poor people, you [ __ ] idiots. It's not rich people. Rich people have [ __ ] they need to protect. They can't involve themselves.
>> According your mom, they get their stuff by breaking the by being unethical and breaking the law only. Well, here's here's what my mom here's why my mom would be cheering this on.
>> My mom knew she was not successful by any measurement. Even if people came from the 1700s and saw her horseless carriage and things of that nature, they would still label her a loser.
>> They would from centuries past. Yes.
>> Okay. So, she had no measurement hairstyle hairstyle, >> right? Okay. So, um >> so she these people understand where they are. What they need to do is not feel the sting of being a loser. And so they like to congregate together. And then they like to sort of do a form of gossip that helps them sleep better at night, which is saying that guys like Jeff Bezos are lucky and they got so lucky. How come none of their friends ever get lucky? How come Jim Corolla never got lucky? Where's all the luck?
>> Yeah.
>> What about them? They don't know anyone who's lucky. How come the whole Gravich family lived next door to us? How come no one got lucky?
Nobody got lucky that you know how do you account for that? But but Bezos he took all the luck and now and now you can feel better when you go to sleep on your mattress that's on the floor with no box spring because someone else took your your mattress frame and your box spring because Elon Musk got lucky and he hoged all the luck and now you don't have air conditioning. And just to remind us the gravites that isn't that where the son got shot or something and the daughter of the st these were the people your mom admired.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. Okay.
>> Yeah. Well, you I'll tell you one thing that they these people don't like.
>> They don't need >> So they got Hassan [ __ ] talking about luck, right?
>> And my mom would have went, "Oh yeah, I'm going to listen to this guy." What they don't need is me poking around asking them what the [ __ ] >> that that they get away from. Yeah.
>> Fast. So if you are a loser, you'll be embraced by them. If you're walking around asking questions, >> uh, that's a problem.
>> And then you sort of a scary person, too, that would yell at you for eating her peaches or plums.
>> Dorothy. Dorothy.
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>> Yeah. Uh those are our neighbors. Those are my mom's best friends. Dorothy was mean as [ __ ] She got nice later, like way later in her life, but she was mean.
Son and daughter, had major issues. And you know, I I basically what you would call white trash. Old school. You know, people act well, people people act like white people weren't poor. They didn't have [ __ ] substance problems and addiction and issues and everything.
Everything. Yeah. Of course, Eddie the son got into construction. As I I've said all the time, construction is not something you get into because you're a crafts person. It's a catchall for poor people.
It's what you do when you cannot function in a in other environments, which these guys can't. They can't function in a professional setting.
>> Seems like that would be opportunity for people that could delay gratification and apply themselves.
>> If they're competing against people that can't do that, sounds like construction would be an interesting place to send people if they don't have a direction.
>> Well, it it is. It it's where well you don't I mean again you don't nobody embarks on a career in building you end up on a job site picking up garbage and then if you >> show you know half these guys don't show up Monday they're hung over whatever if you you show up Monday you'll start rising >> right >> rising up you just show up first just showing up and sort of not being derelict, you know, and these guys are real can be real flaky guys. And also, uh, back then, you know, thing about construction is if you didn't show up, you just didn't show up. It wasn't like you told anybody.
>> You didn't ask for the day off, you know, or you didn't There was no pay. By the way, the pay kept people in line, >> right?
>> Uh but but uh >> tell the champagne story.
>> Oh, yeah. I I it is a sham the champagne story I like to uh lovingly tell about my mom is the reason I say I tell it is because my mom thought like all these people that I I know how these people think because that's how my mom thought. You know, when I hear Bernie Sanders, who's going on his fourth house saying, "If we could just get 5% of these billionaires money, we could afford." By the way, you know, the part about it, you can find Bernie saying the clip, but it's like, "If we can just get 5%, then we'll pay teachers and we'll have, you know, youth whatever, and we'll have free whatever."
And it's like, >> you guys are going to take that money and distribute it fairly and and properly, right?
>> And efficiently. I have no >> why should we have faith?
>> I would have no zero thoughts about you.
Your problem is you don't have enough money coming in. You just handed out $10 billion and California. We just gave PPE loans to prisoners.
>> Are there's not a a fiber in my body that thinks you would take this money and efficiently distribute it? How about this? How about you do that for a while and then we'll talk about giving you more money. Right.
>> Right now I don't see anything. Right.
There's no one that distributes capital less effectively than government.
>> Yes.
>> The the least efficient, least effective manager of capital.
>> But also, you just make this stuff up.
You know, you go, well, if Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos just committed to giving us 5%, then we'd have schools and free buses and universal health care and prenatal care. It's like, you would? I don't see any evidence of that. We just gave you 10. We gave you $25 billion for homeless. I just stepped over a [ __ ] homeless guy on the way in. What? What do you >> really? You think I believe that? Why would someone believe that? And also, >> these things are not knowable.
>> Not with your [ __ ] history. For sure.
You don't know. You're get prenatal care and schools and every teacher get a 20% cost of living wage. You don't know any of this [ __ ] You're just [ __ ] an old man who's up there talking, >> making [ __ ] up. you're just making [ __ ] up.
>> Um, my mom is a metaphor or a kind of example of how these people think across the board and it's been going on for a long time.
Um, and I got to hear Vernie say this. He's fighting oligarchy. God, do these guys ever just go away.
>> They gave that up, too.
>> Are they heard that one?
>> Let's Let's hear what he wants. I introduced recently legislation to establish a 5% annual wealth taxual >> on the 938 billionaires in America who collectively are worth more than $8 trillion.
>> Annual wealth tax we have down to zero till they have nothing >> I guess. Yeah. And I want to just to give you an example, >> by the way, when there's a 75 year old guy sitting behind him, I always feel sorry for that guy. Like, oh, you bought into this [ __ ] You just [ __ ] taken it to the old man grave.
>> Your mom did it. Your dad did it.
>> Yeah, my mom more. But yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing that's crazy, it's so funny. I hear all these politicians, especially during this cycle, you know, talking about, hey, got to elect me cuz I'm going to stand up. We're going to fight for Californians. I'm going to fight. I'm get you jobs and houses and stuff. Like, when did it be when did we sign off on you guys doing everything all the time for everyone? I I I would like a world where you just sort of backed off a little bit and we just have a little dominion to go about and do what we'd like. How about that? I don't when are you taking everything?
>> It's going on forever. Chicken in every pot, you know, was 150 years ago and this this but they've just advanced so far now where they're just >> chicken every pot was 100 50 years ago.
>> I thought it was 1850.
>> No, no, no. Cuz it was two cars in every garage.
>> That was later. Yeah.
>> Oh, those weren't connected. Oh, look up the year of the chicken. All right. So, let let Bernie go and then I'll tell you about my mom. Sorry.
And I want to just to give you an example of how that I'm going to do this insane.
>> Yeah, it's never going to happen.
>> The level of inequality is in America. I want to tell you what this legislation would accomplish.
>> This is a 5% tax on fewer than 1,000 billionaires on their wealth. This is what it would do.
>> That's fair. If this legislation were to passh >> in its first year, >> it would provide every man, woman, and child in a household less than $150,000.
It's the vast majority of households >> with a $3,000 direct payment.
>> That during co >> family of four family of four, $12,000.
>> That's going to fix that. This legislation and the money it would bring in would tackle the housing crisis by being able to have the resources to build 7 million units of low-income and affordable housing.
>> Not in Los Angeles.
>> No regulation. Regulation.
This tax on billionaires would expand Medicare to cover dental, vision, and hearing.
>> So, just start making a list.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> It would guarantee universal affordable child care.
>> It guarantees it.
It would strengthen public education by ensuring that no teacher in America earns less than $60,000 a year.
It would end the crisis we now experience in home health care so that seniors and people with disabilities could live with dignity in their own homes.
>> So we get the live in dignity, right? They can get free [ __ ] Look, getting free [ __ ] is not living in dignity. It's the opposite of living in dignity. All right. Who are the people that are applying this? Get the [ __ ] to work. And this is never going to happen. And why do you keep thinking it's going to happen? This guy is basically the white version of a civil rights racehustling leader. You know, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton yelling at black people all day what they're going to do for them. You're going to get your reparations. We're going to fix the legals that we're going to do. None of that's ever going to happen. You could fix it at home if you wanted to, but these guys aren't doing any any of it for you. So my mom it it it's some when do these guys just [ __ ] go home to their fourth house and just call it a life. It's it's crazy. It just never ends.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh all right. He's a hero cuz he's asking other people to give you [ __ ] Uh by the way, I I love the fact that the people they're asking the money to get the money from are the villains. He's the hero who does nothing but go around the country in a private jet yelling at the people have the money. Yeah. who by the way can't go around the country in a private jet because they're [ __ ] working.
Okay. All right. My mom and again not a slight uh by the way it was misattributed to Hoover from uh 1928. So almost a hundred years ago.
>> So where >> but that was Hoover but it was a centuries earlier with King Henry the the fourth of France.
>> Wow.
>> Yes. Okay. So now, um, so Drew was right, although I was a little bit right.
>> I I would have put it I was sort of placing it pre- Civil War, so I was early.
>> No, that was more modern, but but but did he do a car in every garage or two cars in every garage or is that like like later in the 40s or something?
Anyway, okay, here's the whole point.
My mom showed up to Mother's Day with me.
So that is Hoover with the cars in the garage. Okay. Uh with me and her husband and her daughter and her mom and um I think it was about it. It was it was it was a you five family members. The only ones at this party >> uh would either be my mom. My mom would be her daughter, her mom, her son, or her husband. Okay. And uh I showed up at the do uh bottle of Don Perion champagne uh as a gift uh to my mother for Mother's Day, which I sat sat down at the entry of of the my grandmother's house. And uh I did not present it to my grand my mom cuz she was maybe in the kitchen or something, but I just sort of set it there. And then later on, because my mom is a champagne liberal, she walked back and she saw that there was a bottle of fancy champagne there and she uh said to me, I believe it was to me, but it was sort of to the group even. U she said, "Well, Adam brought some fancy champagne. Adam, uh, could we open it and share it with, uh, everyone at the at the gathering?
And I said, I didn't bring that for this group. That's a gift for you for Mother's Day. And I just handed her the gift as a Mother's Day gift. And she said, "Oh, okay." And she sort of changed a subject. And then later on I noticed that it was at the entry hall sort of they had sort of a bench where people threw their jackets down or something and the champagne was wrapped up and sort of hidden in a sweater for her to take home. So she wanted champagne but >> she wasn't going to share it.
>> She wanted my champagne. And once my champagne became her champagne then she didn't want champagne anymore. At least not for you.
>> Right. And for you means her immediate family. So imagine extending this out to strangers.
>> Well, it's like your grandmother in the dining room table.
>> Yes.
>> Of her caretaker.
>> Right. I should buy. She shouldn't buy for. This is how these people think. I got a front row seat to it. It's a character issue. And no, they're not proud. And no, they're not hardworking.
And no, they're not noble. They're [ __ ] mooches. So [ __ ] off.
I know exactly who these people are. And by the way, it's pretty universal.
They're all that way. It's it's what you what you would be if you wanted Dom Perion and you didn't have any money.
What What would you do?
>> You'd figure out a way to get it.
>> Yeah. And you'd [ __ ] take it home and you're not sharing it with these people because there's five or six people. You open this thing, you get one glass. I >> I'd love to talk more about fixing it if there's something we could do.
>> Get on in the morning now.
Oh, that's a chase. I think the guy's name was Chase.
>> I've been listening to a lot of 70s music lately. I don't know why. Some of it is not as bad as I remembered it.
>> Oh, you can't go wrong with Chase. Get it on.
>> That's a great song.
>> Yeah. Well, first off, people played instruments back then.
>> Yeah.
>> I I listen to the Baja Marima band.
Uh, I've actually >> I told you for five minutes I wanted to play the Mima because of that band.
>> Somebody uh Rudy News Guy uh he said uh Herb Albert's going to be at the Hollywood Bowl or whatever on like July July 5th I think it is.
>> And um and I said let's get let's go man. I want to see Herb Alpbert and the Tijana brass.
All all there's 10 songs you know of Herb Albert in the Tijuana brass >> and there'll probably be some Baja Marima rumblings there too if I know now Herb Albert's like 95 years old.
>> That's crazy. It's >> crazy.
>> And by the way I I was uh >> got lucky.
>> Super lucky.
>> The Mima was so popular in the 70s and I guess it just ended in the 70s. Uh I worked with a nurse who had a graduate degree in MIMA.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. There was no work. There was nowhere to put it.
>> Those things those I I guess those are items >> and those kind of items would have been >> too costly for us. Also, our houses were so small. I don't know where you would put Yeah.
>> things. We couldn't have a music room.
No, >> we we Listen, we had >> a bedroom.
My stepdad's bedroom was the den where we all watched Ma >> on his bed. On his bed.
>> Fantastic.
>> Could you imagine that? You imagine a family comes in and I'm I'm eating a TV dinner, >> of course, >> on my tray, sitting on his bed.
Now, the bed wasn't just like a queen-sized mattress. It was a one of those like dayb bed sofa things. You'd take the pillow off and >> lay on it.
>> It's a sofa.
>> Slept on the the sofa, but we all sat on the sofa eating eating a salberry steak hungry man dinners while the air conditioner was running, you know, watching mod.
>> Tough times.
I have no who are these people like why did they do this to themselves? I have no idea who these people were.
>> There was no talk then of work our way out of this.
>> No.
>> Well, you have to also think like >> what was the mentality? You know what I mean? Like I >> I'm kind of walk I'm always kind of walking around going like what's this doing here? Let's fix this. I this not this won't do. What's going on here?
Let's build this. Let's fix it. Let's do Let's do something here.
>> Yeah.
>> And their thing was just like this is it. This is >> Well, I How else do you explain >> nothing? You know what I mean? Like, >> yeah, >> I >> my stepdad slept on a sofa bed that we all sat on and watched TV.
>> Oh, by the way, that's the only TV, you know. Why would you have another TV?
>> Color TV.
>> No.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Black and white TV. I mean later on >> with the uh antenna on top >> ears on it probably. Yeah. Later they, you know, bought used TVs, little ones like at garage sales and stuff and just kind of set them.
>> Sony Trinitron.
>> Yeah. Like little ones. So like in the kitchen and one of the whatever.
>> Two TVs.
>> Wow. Well, you know what happened was is after I left that house that got bulldozed, um, wall-mounted air conditioners started springing up all throughout the house.
>> Yeah.
>> So, there was one in the kitchen, there was one in the living room, there may >> John was living with her now.
>> He always was. I mean, that he still it was still >> But he had a job. A real job.
>> He had a job. I didn't I didn't have a an air conditioner when I slept on the porch, but when I moved out, by the way, here this is the greatest tell of all.
I'll tell you I'll give you three tells terms of having a bad room and a small house. When I moved out and my sister moved out, >> moved out, >> fled, escaped, whatever you want to say.
>> Ran away at 14, >> ran away, whatever it is.
Neither one of our rooms became a room like an office or den or you know your whatever. Both of our rooms became storage.
>> Storage >> closets.
>> Yes. Because they weren't big enough to accommodate an office or another bedroom or something. They literally my room became storage and my sister's room became storage cuz they weren't really rooms in the in the first place.
My room had uh the water heater in it. I should have died of carbon monoxide poisoning. Um had the the washing machine, no dryer, and it had the meter to to read the meter. And then the meter man would have to come in. I had a back door. My room was where the back door of the house was.
>> No, it was a >> a porch door rather.
>> It was a porch door.
>> Uh it was a big metal door. It was kind of weird. It was clad metal.
>> I don't But by the way, it was a door that somebody got from anywhere and but it's not like they went and bought a door oversized. Well, it made the space for my bed so small because the door was a full size like 36-in door and that was half the depth of the room.
>> I always imagined that the people that built that house got here in a covered wagon or something. It was that kind of house.
>> Well, it it had two front doors.
>> Well, because they had to Wasn't there a doctor's office?
>> Probably like a dentist or something >> back back in the turn of the century when you did that stuff.
>> Yeah. You go in one door, that's that was my that's my stepdad's room. And and then there was the other door. And that's where you went into the house.
And then they had that back door was in my room. And uh my room was a porch that got covered up. But um yeah, the meter reader would I can't believe they even let them do this, but the the meter guy would have to come inside of our house.
Like he'd just come around, open the door, meter guy stand there, walk into my bedroom, open the closet, look at the meter that was in where the washing machine was and the water heater was and read it and walk back out. I I they would never let you do that >> today. It's uh Yeah.
>> Because too big a liability. Somebody who claimed rape or broke an arm or something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, so how do we fix this? Is it like I I >> I don't even know where to start when I think about it. Other >> Well, let me let me I'll tell you how you fix it. And I'll tell you where to start.
>> You uh >> this is this is a follow on a conversation we had.
>> I I'll give you I'll give you an example. Yeah.
>> Um we just you can look it up, Andrew.
Uh last weekend was Memorial Day, but it was also uh George Floyd's 6th anniversary. And so Minneapolis, you know, had a official, you know, tweet or whatever go out uh not so much about the fallen soldiers or anything. They're not really into Memorial Day, but they are they are into George Floyd a lot, right? and they they sent out this kind of generic tweet about honoring George Floyd and a lot of work to be done and and uh and there was some part in there about having honest conversations >> seat at the table.
>> No, they always say we we need an honest conversation about race. The honest conversation about race is not enough black men raising their kids and staying at home and the kids uh become criminals. That's the conversation. You guys want to have another conversation about George Floyd? I I don't know what that You want to build another memorial, a statue. Does that seem going to fix anything for anybody? All the conversations you want to have have nothing to do with fixing anything. And by the way, you've been having them for 60 years. They're not doing anything.
You want an honest conversation. Honest conversation is the black family's broken. You broke it by giving them free [ __ ] And you [ __ ] them up generationally and they're going to have to figure it out. And by the way, you can [ __ ] up a white family, too. Just give them free. Just give them free [ __ ] You give you [ __ ] up bad black family more.
>> This is nothing. This is not unique anymore to black families, right? I mean, >> no. No. Well, it is. And that they have a much higher percentage of it.
>> Do they? Now, it's not that different. I don't want to think, but maybe.
>> All right. So, let's read this thing.
Sorry about black. No, it's it's like 72% are like out of wedlock or something. It's way over 50%. back when there was Jim Crow, it was 5%.
So, you do the math. Um, they're [ __ ] Look, what they what's not going to fix it is the harpies on the view talking about systemic racism and calling Trump Hitilarian or or racist and chief or what whatever whatever they're doing that that does nothing. There's a way to do it. It's basically, hey, fat guy, you got to start losing weight. It's like, I don't want to hear this. Like, well, sorry. That's where we're at. The politicians just they they gave it up.
They gave it up a long time ago. Six years here's what from this is for Memorial Day from uh Minneapolis. This their official release. Six years ago, George Floyd's murder. He ODed, by the way. Murder forced our city to confront painful truths about race. He's a career criminal with a heart condition who had enough fentanyl in him to be counted as a death. But okay, he's a career criminal. Okay. Anyway, uh it we had to confront painful truths about race. I don't know what was going on in Minneapolis in 2019 visa v race, but all right. Uh race and public safety and in inequality.
Okay. Yes, he he he didn't have as much because he was a career criminal. Uh and he passed bad checks. Every May 25th is a reminder of that grief.
Okay. I don't know what George Floyd would be up to today. I don't imagine he'd be alive 6 years later considering the amount of drugs he consumed. and a renewed call to action to keeping uh pursuing the progress. This tra this tragedy it's was perfectly uh by the way it was preventable. He didn't have to hand counterfeit money or bad checks and do a ton of drugs.
>> I'm glad to hear there's been progress >> catalyzed. Uh we encourage you to gather, be with community and honor George Floyd's life. He was a criminal.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE martyrs out of career criminals, you're going to have difficulty. No other group would do this. The black Asians would never do this. Oh, it's me going, "Hey, when's Joey Bafuko's birthday? We must honor the man.
>> He must be honored.
>> White folk have a tendency to do it."
>> Romanticize criminals. Yes.
M look, white folks are doing this on behalf of black folks who they don't respect.
>> So anyway, George Floyd is your hero. If you have career criminals and junkies as your heroes, you're going to have difficulty making progress is what I will say.
>> All right. So, how how do we fix? So, dads in the home is one.
>> Dads in the home is all of it. But people people have to start >> telling look if you're fat, you need to lose weight. Sorry, my feelings are hurt. Sorry, I want to fire you for saying that. Sorry, you you're fat.
That's it. We got to get back to basics.
It's what I've always said. So, >> we let it all We let it slip away. And it all happened under our watch. And I yelled about it every single step of the way.
>> So, 10 10 times less violence if dad stay in the home. So, so that will certainly deal with the violence issue, right?
>> It'll deal with all the issues. Well, I I'm not sure it will it will help with the impulse control part, but the impulse control thing gets going earlier, you know.
>> Uh listen, dads need to be dads. They need to give discipline. They need to be okay free to be a dad. I was not let I was not free to be a dad.
>> I I could not discipline. I had ideas about discipline, but it was overridden by my ex-wife every time I attempted to really be dadish. Now, my kids came out fine, but you know, they're not exactly taking the world by storm. You know, a little more discipline, a little more delayed gratification, that kind of stuff be fine. They turned out fine. I don't think they're going to have any issues, but this has been going on for a long time. So there let's start to parse that out. So give discipline is not something that is done a few times. It has to be a regular thing with kids.
Kids are animals.
>> How would you do with your dog? You like regular discipline always.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. They they need they need regular work. Uh and the problem is we even have an issue here with what we call discipline in this country because what goes down is discipline is physical abuse when things are so far out of hand you have to do something to get them to stop now.
>> Well, >> which is not discipline. That's just sort of >> they equate discipline with being mean.
Also, they don't have any of like my ex-wife didn't have any discipline, so she didn't even know what it was. You know what I mean? and sort of looked at it as just >> being mean to the kids, >> right?
>> So, that's another issue. We we look, we let women take over. We shouldn't have done that. They don't have traits that are conducive to a really highly functional society. They have traits that are good for other things, but >> I would argue that there are women are capable certainly capable some >> some >> but if they're >> but in general the traits >> well but if they're trying to raise a kid on their home they're not around enough to do that regular supervision of discipline >> right they're working >> right >> discipline requires like constant you know yes >> look the the old thing wait till your father gets home was just a form of discipline >> yes >> like that there's an axe coming and I'm going to make him drop it Right. But what if what if the father never comes home?
>> And the mom's not home saying, "Wait for anything cuz she's at work."
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So, it's it's a it's a it's a double whammy for women. They they can't they >> Yeah. I mean, not my ex. She never worked. But Yes. I mean, not after kids.
She had a full-time nanny, >> right?
>> So, she worked, >> right?
>> I paid the person to do the work she should have done. Yes.
>> Women. Yes.
>> You had the >> She did uh Yeah. No, my my daughter spit in the face of uh her nanny and her nanny smacked her.
>> And she never did it again. And then her nanny told me she felt bad and I said, "Good."
>> What' your wife say?
>> I don't know. I just I just remember going, "Good. She spits at you again.
Smack her again. She'll she'll learn not to do it. What do I care?" By the way, you act like getting smacks at the end of what? [ __ ] fine. Everyone does everyone does this thing all the time like a put her hands on the the the capital policeman had a heart attack there's in a scrum like are you [ __ ] nuts so the the only thing we do know is that if you pick up an object and hit a kid that's a problem >> I look I never laid a hand on my kids and I never would and it's not not my scene but if if somebody spits in your face then you can smack them reflexively by the way >> yeah if a if a child does something that has to stop now. It actually is recommended that you hit him.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Well, >> and so did the right thing.
>> Not that you pick up a spoon and hit him or a belt or whip or whatever.
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>> All right. Yes. Discipline, hard work, all the old stuff. the stuff the Greeks knew, you know what I mean? We just we got to go back to it. The politicians have figured out there's a lot more dopes than there are hard workers and they just started pandering to them and everything is just about what they're going to do. What they you watch these >> Tommy Styer running for governor, you know, it's everything's going to he's going to get a universal healthcare and he's going to fight ICE and he's going to it's it's all just a bunch of [ __ ] I don't I don't look Get the [ __ ] out of the way and let people swim. Swim or sink. They'll swim. They will if you get out of the way.
>> So, universal healthc care will be a catastrophe. Again, government managed.
It's going to be better.
>> Look no further than Canada. Uh that was always the model of the great Canadian system. Anybody up there will tell you the the way just like in a in a HMO, the way you get services is you get online >> and there's not enough to go around because that's the only way they can they can manage the costs and you die on the waiting list and therefore you're not a problem anymore. And that's fine, >> right?
>> That's fine.
>> That's Canada.
>> That's Canada. Uh and >> Michael Moore says Cuba's the best.
>> Trying to get uh sophisticated services like mental health services and that kind of thing. you can forget it now.
>> But what if you want to commit suicide?
>> Then you're off the you're off the you're no longer a burden to the system.
So we'll help you do that.
>> Good at helping you commit suicide.
>> Right. The maid medicationass assisted.
>> Oh, they got a nice acronym or euphemism for it.
>> Yeah, exactly. An acronym. But you know the the and then there's no incentive to have high quality care. That just isn't just it's just going to it's a mess. But there is there is a case we made for like a two-tier or a three- tiered system. That's a reasonable thing to do.
And that's kind of what we're doing already.
>> We're really sort of doing that.
>> So just go into the lower tier system and see how that works for you and that's how the whole system would operate, >> right?
>> You won't be too happy with it.
>> Yes.
>> So the idea is to have that as a as a backup and then work your way out of it.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> What >> doctors in the US can't form unions. So Andrew says, >> "Yeah, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter." Listen, they've gone, you know what they've done? They've gone about it by getting rid of doctors.
>> I knew this was coming. Primary care has been systematically squeezed into dust.
So you can't afford to run a practice if you're a primary caretaker.
>> So what they've done is replaced doctors with physicians assistants and nurse practitioners, >> and they don't have to pay them as much.
Mhm.
>> And so I remember I was on u Anderson Cooper show about 10 years ago >> and Anna Navaro was on the show with me where she used to have this round table >> and I they were talking about this kind of stuff. I go well when you see a physician extender AND THEY PHYSICIAN EXTEND OH MY WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT >> exaggerating but keep going.
>> No they freaked out.
>> You got to go find the tape. It's never going to be what you said.
>> You watch Anna Navaro lose her [ __ ] >> A physician extender. They all simultaneously >> because what do you mean do I want to see a doctor I get to see a doctor if I want to see a doctor what what do you mean I see somebody they couldn't get their head around the notion go to primary care now you're going to see that unless you do >> con everything by the way you know everything should run like a job site and on a job site you got the foreman guy but he's not he doesn't have his bags on he's just looking at your work and walking around like looking at plans and stuff like that. Then you have at the bottom of the chain, you just got the grunts, the the the the labors, the digging the ditches and moving the drywall and stuff like that. And then you have like the apprenticy kind of guys like the young carpenters, but they would never have an advanced carpenter dig ditches. It just be a waste. They're paying a guy a good hourly rate. It's a waste of that guy's work. And then you call in the subs, the HVAC guy, the plumbing guy. They have their own little specialties and it all works that way.
And it doesn't work that the foreman is digging ditches like they would never do. It' be a waste of his time. But on the other hand, the guys digging the ditches would not be looking at the plans and laying lay doing layout, you know. So like it all nature just kind of segregates, you know, like it it all works out. It's economically based. just hate the expensive guys doing labor, you know, and it all just kind of falls in.
>> So, so to some extent, this is a good thing, right? You have >> it's all a good thing. That's I mean, this is how you get a a a house built as cheaply as possible, but it has to work.
>> The problem is that >> you know, if it's a challenging situation, the problem is, yes, for for the routine stuff, good, good, good. But when things get complicated and challenging, you have to be in the room with the patient. You have to examine the patient. You can't examine somebody else's work and really know what the hell's going on. Uh so so it's it's it's it's not ideal. It's not ideal. I mean, think about if you had there's other professions, right? There's reasons they're professions. They're not they're not the you're talking about labor. This is not labor when you're taking care of someone.
>> No, I'm not talking about labor. I said their labors are are digging ditches, but the guys who are looking at the plans and laying the stuff out are not digging the ditches.
>> Once you move away from the patient, you're not involved in the care anymore.
You're not doing the work. It's so >> different. They have nurses and they they give you the shots and stuff, you know, and they they you know, they suture up people. They go the surgeon goes, "All right, close up." You know, they leave. That's they're I >> I'm saying the making the judgments and and having the instincts said you won't ever see the patients.
>> Well, I don't I don't want that. I just want everybody I want it to run like a job site.
>> But but the point is now everyone's an employee. All the doctors are employee.
And then you get co >> Mhm.
>> Then you get people not using their judgment, responding to their bosses and their bosses who are terrible doctors and aren't making good judgments, >> right?
>> They have to listen to what they say.
That's how things get [ __ ] up.
>> Yeah. Co, man.
A lot of doctors.
I'll tell you in the last between co co [ __ ] me up with doctors, teachers, and nurses. The the three that would have been at the top of my food chain for respect in a profession. I lost a lot. And any medical expert, let's say, you know, >> we have anybody credentialed. We have a problem with the credentialed class in this country. We we credentialed the [ __ ] out of everybody and taught them nothing.
>> And what?
>> Taught them nothing.
>> Oh, taught them nothing. Yes. Yes. I do I do love I was watching a tape of uh Sanjay Gupta, another dope who's basically faded away hopefully. Uh he was he was on CNN. They're playing his clip and he's like, "I was talking to Relle Winsky today to find out." Oh, another lying dope. To find out what, you know what I mean? I said, "God, these [ __ ] people." Um, >> but also said he never said he's he claimed something he didn't say and then there was tapes showing him saying whatever it was like the vaccine doesn't prevent >> you.
These people, there's a part that is really interesting where they're being filmed saying things.
And they're saying, "I've never said."
>> They said repeatedly.
>> Yes. And they're going, "I never said that." You know, >> is it weird?
>> I find it to be >> that that's how memory works, right?
Memory serves you, >> right?
>> Mine doesn't do that with me.
>> I don't think I memores me and tries to >> It does.
>> Tries to make it work for you.
>> No, I I'll go I'll go if I lose. Okay.
Where are my keys? Or where are the nail clippers or something? I'll go look under the sofa. I'll go down look in the car. Maybe it's in the car. Uh, no. It's in the drawer where it should have been.
But you didn't think you were good enough to do that, >> right?
>> So, when somebody questions your memory, you assume it's wrong.
>> I'll tell you what you do. And uh I'm not trying to blow smoke up my ass, but um when I was telling you the last show that uh Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass are coming to the um a Greek theater Oh, not the Greek, the uh Hollywood Bowl. Hollywood Bowl, I think it was Hollywood Bowl. Yeah. Um I got a I got a text from Rudy and it was like I don't know a couple days earlier and he said uh I just looked at it quickly like on my phone. Herb Albert coming to the Hollywood Bowl. had a small date, said July 5th. And then um a couple days later, I was calling Rudy and uh I said, "You know what? We should get tickets to that thing. Let's let's uh let's check it out." And he goes, "All right. Uh it's coming up June 5th." And I said, I didn't say you're wrong or anything. I just went, "Oh, it's funny.
I thought and seemed to remember that you said it was on July 5th, but maybe I'm wrong. And then he went and looked up and he goes, "No, I'm wrong. It's July 5th." And I I knew it, but I didn't fully know it. So, I just left it open to And I always say, and people should just do this, go, "Oh, I must be mistaken. I thought that you sent me a date." This is your conversations with Mike all the time, isn't it, Jenna?
>> Oh, he'll Yeah, he's gonna uh >> uh This one's for Andrew. We were looking up something and >> he was uh looking up the The Tempest, the movie, and Mike August was looking up and his phone and it said had Molly Ringwald was in it and uh Gina Rollins.
Um, and I said, "Jenna Rollins, the the actress." And he goes, "Gina, Jenna.
Maybe she pronounces it Jenna." I go, "It's I think her name is Jenna Rollins." Mike, Gina, Jenna. I don't know. She must pronounce it. I go, >> first how do you Well, what I'm I doubt the Now, I'm not looking at I'm like, she spell it in a weird way. I go, how do you how's she spell it? G E N A. I go, "Well, that's that's Jenna. That's not Gina, am I?" Yeah, I don't know how she does it. He'll do that with everyone's name. And then he'll go, "Who cares?" And I'll go, "Well, they care cuz there's a but there's a way to pronounce it because that's her name."
So, but also I don't know if you're looking at ge. And by the way, this is a famous famous actress who's not named Gina, but doesn't spell it that way either.
>> No.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, >> there you go.
>> Jenna Rollins. Uh, is she still alive?
No. Died.
>> You know, was a really weird thing.
>> No, she's still alive. Swear to >> Oh, well. Well, what did it say up there? Died.
>> No, it's weird. Down below it says no.
>> Oh, she just died.
You know, was a weird one. I had this whole two years ago, >> Jenna Rollins thing with Mike on a Sunday night. Sunday night, like 9 at night, we're in the green room. And then the the following day, I got up and I was telling you I was telling you about this. I I wanted to go look at uh some acceptance speeches for the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I want to know how long they were.
>> How long were they? Were they ask you that?
>> There there was like Stanley Tui and Emily Blunt did one combined that was like three minutes where they both just said like nine words and went [ __ ] that.
>> But others have been longer and uh I like five minutes. And so I was trying to figure out. So I I I watched one. Oh god.
Um Andrew will know her name. Female actress just got one who was on um Flight whatever. And she's done a lot of movies. Brunette Pretty whatever. She not not old. Um she just did hers.
Anyway, the whole point is is she's got up there and she was like uh I think my managers and uh those who pave the way like Jenna Rollins and I was like it's a weird rando to pull out.
>> Yeah.
>> And and and also it's weird randomly that Mike and I were just talking about that.
>> It also is weird night before.
>> I'm not I don't know her. I've never heard her before till you mentioned it yesterday. She's a big >> I I know which worried me when you said that. I was like I don't know who that is.
>> What is Can you put her back up there?
>> Now here's the thing, Drew.
>> I've seen her.
>> You forgot who she is.
>> She nominated.
>> I don't pay attention to culture to pop popular culture.
>> She read her accolades. She's been in >> everything.
>> Um she was a nom she was nominated a bunch of times. She won Emmys. See, like I never saw The Notebook, for instance.
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh. Oh, that's why the who was the star of The Notebook then? Um, that's why she said it. Rachel McAdams.
>> Yeah, Rachel McAdams.
>> Because Rachel McAdams was the one who thanked Gina Jenna. Interesting.
>> Rollins. Rollins. We don't even know how to say her name. Uh, that's why. So, it wasn't that random. I will tell you the most random I I'll tell you the most random thing, Drew. Yeah.
>> Well, do that right after the break.
Now, I don't think you're going to fully I don't think you're going to fully embibe this, but you really have to think about this.
>> All right, I'm ready.
>> So, I was in here with Kent McCord, who we're talking to you about for Adam. Yeah.
>> And um and uh another gentleman who you don't know. And Kent McCord talked to me about car racing right before we went on the air. He was very enthusiastic about racing cars. Did it for quite some time. I did not back in the day. Okay.
>> Yes.
>> Um not as interested in my racing career.
It's kind of Well, all I'm saying is it's kind of funny. Like I'll talk to guys >> and they'll go uh Yeah. They'll go uh I go I go, "I did the uh Toyota Grand Prix three times and uh back in the day." And I'll go, "You ever win?" I go, "No, he went he won some celebrity thing at Watkins, Glenn, whatever." And I go, "Huh?" I done the celebrity Grand Prix five times and I won as a celebrity and in the pro division. I go, "Oh, there you go." This other time I was at Watkins Glenn, it's like that doesn't doesn't stop you to you don't want to ask what year.
>> Wow.
>> You You know what I mean? Old guys who talk about them.
>> Yeah.
>> They just >> keep going.
>> They just keep going. It's got to be the weirdest. It it's literally it's literally like me running into a guy in the subway and me going I was uh first team all Central Valley North Hollywood High and the guy going I went to North Hollywood High and I was also first team Central Valley. Me going well there you go. Another time I got another trophy. You know what I mean? Like I never go like when did you graduate or what position did you play?
No, I he he started talking about that and I just told him I've won the race two times and he never he never asked he never said what year or who was in your race or you won as a pro. That's unusual. It just I they go past it as if they don't believe you almost. But it's not it's not about them and they're talking is kind of >> how perfectly nice guy. They just It strikes me. It always strikes me when people don't stop and go, "When's that?
How'd that happen?"
>> Amazing.
>> Or you don't have to say amazing. You can just go, "What year did you do your race?" Cuz I did mine in the 80s. What is that in the '90s? Like that's just Is Bud Johnson still running the thing?
You know, something >> something.
>> Or what what car were you driving? Was it like a Celica or they switched to the scions or something? It's just moving on. you it's it's you know they're missing the opportunity to share experience to you know have a shared thing >> Kim McCord could circle this [ __ ] valley for a thousand years and not run into someone who's won that race >> two times point it's always been his thing you know uhoh here you come >> he's sitting in here with Peter and Tico who you don't know but it doesn't matter but anyway and I come in and I and I sit down in between them >> and I say, uh, you know, Peter, you want to talk about SAG or after or whatever, but I I got bad news for you. Kore was just start telling me about racing. And so I'm going to don the snake pdome you. I'm going to snake you on this and we're going to talk about racing. And then Tim McCord goes, >> I just showed Peter a picture of me and Don the Snake Pnome. And he holds it he holds it up on his phone. By the way, it's Bruce Jenner, >> Kent McCord, >> and Don the Snake Perdome.
>> Wow.
>> And he goes, I just I go, "How long ago?" He goes, "30 seconds ago. I just pulled up a picture of Don the Snake Perdome."
>> Weird.
>> And I showed it to him. I go, "That's weird. That is weird. I just brought up Don the Snake Pome and you just showed a picture of Don the Snake Purdome and Kent McCord '7s were better." I mean, look at everyone with their mustaches and their [ __ ] dudes being dudes.
>> They're so happy.
>> They're so happy. I'm worried about the [ __ ] pronouns. So then >> Big Daddy Don Garland's nearby.
>> Yeah. Shirley Chachy Town Hustler TV Tommy Iva. They're all there.
>> So I go into the room with these guys after the show. I go, "Isn't that crazy? That is a crazy coincidence." Now, of course, because they're young men, they've not heard of anybody or anything at any time.
>> Oh, European people. They wouldn't know who anything is before. They don't they don't know what pliers are. They don't know what a dragster is. I don't think >> that's what I'm wondering. Do you know kind of the zone we're talking about?
>> No clue.
>> They don't know anything. I by the way I >> I went in there.
>> We like we're like we're like it's like 1920s and we're like talking about sailing the ocean blue. We were in a galley in 1860.
>> Nick's never washed a car.
>> It's incredible. It's inc it's incredible what no one has done. Yeah.
And what they don't know about and what they haven't heard of. Tapes, tools, it doesn't matter. But they're living in a digital world >> where they have a certain amount of disdain for the past.
>> That's what I would say.
>> Well, an apathy for it at least.
>> They're worried about what's where the next meal is and what's going to entertain him, but they don't they don't know any kind of a film media guy.
>> Yeah, Andrew's a little in between.
>> Did he knew who Kent McCord was? But what maybe would you know the difference between >> He was a chairman of the president of the Screen Actors Guild for like 15 years, I think.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Wait a minute.
>> Sorry, >> Chuck. Do you know the difference between a funny car and a dragster?
>> Is the funny car the one that goes really fast and the dragster is the one that goes kind of fast?
It's It's crazy what they don't know about anything. There's not a thing that they know. But they know about drones, I guess.
>> Yeah. I don't [ __ ] about drones.
>> He knows about drugs.
>> By the way, watch that Indie race this weekend. Wow.
>> The Indie race was incredible.
>> Oh my god.
>> All right. Dragsters go faster than funny cars.
>> But they're different.
>> But the the I'm sort of asking for the aesthetic or the shape or the difference. But anyway. Okay. But >> you almost got it right >> because you could have said tractors go faster instead of funny cars go f. But we're looking for a description. All right. So >> here's my whole point. I gave these guys a whole speech about Don the Snake Purdome. They of course have no idea who he is. And then I explained they made a feature film about him. Was Snake versus Mongoose. Uh that's like 10 12. It's like 13 years old. I think it's 2013. It was a feature that came out in theaters.
So I said he basically what I'm saying is is he's well enough known to know that they made a movie out of down the snake as the winningest probably dragster racer.
>> Didn't he do both drag and funny cars?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Cuz he was driving dragsters and he was driving funny cars. And uh Billy Mchuan is the guy was racing the snake versus the mongoose 2013. Yeah, thanks for putting that on there. Or snake and the mongoose.
>> Throw a picture of car.
>> 80% on Rotten Tomatoes. Well, no, don't do it. Hold on.
>> Okay, >> I'm not done. What do you want? The snake and the mongoose.
>> Well, that's what I'm wondering what comes up. I wonder what what uh cuz he was colorful dude.
>> Well, the the snake the snake funny car is going to come up.
>> I think so. Yeah. Hot Wheels sponsor and they made Hot Wheels. Anyway, look, there's the whole deal. Still alive.
>> Wow.
>> I'll add a little context. Ran into him not too long ago.
>> No [ __ ] >> Okay. I He's around. He goes to the events.
>> I I'm not, you know, car racing. So, he's a fan. Okay. But here's my whole point.
>> Drew.
>> Yeah. I was telling these guys about what a crazy coincidence that I brought up Don the Snake Predome and then uh Kim McCord was showing a picture of Don the Snake Predome moments earlier. By the way, the other guys in studio is not into drag racing or anything at all. So, it was just kind of weird that he's >> showing a picture of Don the Snake Home and him >> which you used to call the great magnet.
>> Great magnet at work.
>> So, so >> it's weird how this >> I give I I give him this stuff. I get the stuff. Okay. Then I am um I leave and I'm I'm going to a function.
>> Oh my god.
>> That night. We don't have to say oh my god. Yeah.
>> I'm just wonder with this level of coincidence going to go on. I'm going to a function that night and I I get a text uh out of the blue uh from Zack Brown, team principal over at McLaren >> who very kindly is going to meet me in uh France next week.
>> That's right. For a romantic interlude.
>> Yes. I can't wait.
>> I read his book, man. It is good.
>> Anyway, go ahead.
>> Would you like to say for Monaco or you just want everyone to think he's going to meet you in France?
>> We're going to have a romantic weekend in France. Monaco Grand Prio. The Monaco Grand. He's not that's just going to meet you in France. He's there.
>> I didn't want to get into my details.
>> Okay. All right. He's You don't What do you care?
>> I It feels It feels um >> If you're going to say >> It feels pompous.
>> You just said you're going to meet the guy in France.
>> I know. That's bad enough. It feels pompous.
>> Don't be an [ __ ] I got him set up so you could go to the [ __ ] Monaco Grand Prix.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. Now, Jesus.
Anyway, Zack Brown, as I'm driving to this function, sends me a text, not answering a text. I I I we text, but I had talked to him in a in a week. And he just apppropo of nothing says just watch Snake and Mongoose movie.
Pretty good. You should check it out.
>> Nothing else. There's not. It didn't say, "Oh, and on the subject of or getting back or we were talking about race films here or whatever." Nothing.
>> Well, by the way, he couldn't have heard me talking because that show hadn't even come out, >> right?
>> So, it wasn't like he heard it on the podcast, right?
>> That was earlier that day. It was like that. It was like 4:00 or 5 in the afternoon. He text me at 7:30 that day.
>> Wants to know if I've seen The Snake in the Mongus.
And it wasn't like the snake the mongus was had a big release that weekend.
That's why it was on your mind.
>> It's 13 years old, >> right?
>> And we never we've never talked about it.
>> Right.
>> But to be fair, when we were in Long Beach and I was having a beer with Zach, uh the snake came by. the the uh Don Don Perdome came by and said hi.
>> And how long how long before that >> before the interview with Kent McCord was that was that?
>> It was a month.
>> Okay.
>> Before that. And by the way, Don Perdome came by and said hi. Yeah. And then me and Zach >> said, "Oh, it's Don Perdome." And then I said hi to Don Pdome. And then Don Pomeme left. And we didn't talk about drag racing. By the way, Zach's an avid racer, but he's not he doesn't do drag racing or funny cars or any of that. He just Well, as >> as Chuck knows, he's a road racer, man.
Chuck set up a few cars for Willow and it Soma, different setups for different tracks. You'd have to check the notebook. Dampeners, Gamber, stuff like that.
>> His book, he says he wants the triple crown of Monaco, Indie, and Le. So, is he is he constantly trying to get those?
Is he doing those three every year kind of thing?
>> He wants the triple crown.
>> Yeah. Is that the I didn't never heard that phrase before for those three races. Is that something he made up or >> No, it's kind of a it's kind of a thing.
I mean, the triple crown here >> is basically 24 hours of Daytona, 12 hours of Sebring, and 24 hours of Lama.
That's kind of the triple crown, >> but there's a kind of other open wheel version. Not really of an open wheel, but there's another version that's like Monaco, Indie, and Lama.
>> But what are you asking?
>> I I never heard of that before. I Is he Is that something he does every year?
All three races trying to get at that.
>> Well, you got to think about it.
He does them all every year.
>> I I mean, he >> Let's break it down. He goes and sits on the pit row and manages the team, >> right? But what? There is no McLaren.
>> That's what I'm trying to figure out.
>> No. Well, no. There's Indie is an indie team. McLaren has an indie team. So, there's that.
>> But he was there this weekend.
>> Yes. He's there for that. He's not the team principal. He's not running the team.
>> Oh, see that's what I don't I don't get it.
>> You can't run an indie team simultaneously and run.
>> That's what that's what I couldn't >> Well, use your brain. How can you? You can't. He First off, these are two. It's like saying, you know, I'm >> I run Coke and Pepsi or something. It's like, no, you you you have a full-time job. The full-time job is you got to run the F1 for McLaren. He wants it even though he doesn't run. Okay, got it.
>> He's not Well, no, no, no. It's It's for him. I mean, he runs the Indie team. I'm sorry.
>> He runs the F1 team. He's the principal.
Yeah.
>> Okay. the indie team he's a part of because of his experience and because he works for McLaren and whatever, but he's not >> setting the car up and they have they're indie guys. Also, >> I'm going to go on a I'm going to see like see if there's an indie race anywhere around Monaco because he can't be in two places at once. That's their thing, too. You know, Indie has a season. They're off. They'll run. F1 has a season. You can't be >> I listen I I wake up dill.
>> I know. I know. But just because you don't know anything doesn't mean you >> I'm asking the expert.
>> I know. I know. But what I'm saying is is >> you can you can figure everything out by just sort of stepping back.
>> That's why there was a big question mark over. But now obviously 24-hour Lama >> does not run an F1 car.
>> You know that.
>> And it does not run an indie car. which you know as well. So now there has to be >> some offering from McLaren >> that's a GT type car and I'm not sure >> if they're running that this year or how they're doing that or what that thing and when he says I want I want the triple clown >> for McLaren for McLaren.
>> Yeah. Well that's he doesn't drive he's not driving the car.
>> I'm actually proud of myself for noticing and going huh it doesn't make I don't get how he does that.
>> Thank you for explaining. I don't even know. I just know he I'm >> You know enough to know.
>> No, I know.
>> I don't know enough.
>> No, no, no. Don't know.
>> I know it like when they go, "Those Christian kids were harassing the Dolphins." Like it does there's a math to it that's not going >> like when some medical procedure I don't know. I don't It doesn't sound right to me. Yeah.
>> Is there is is the F1 season and the and the Indie season just going on simultaneously or is that is that that Indie does not have a race?
>> Monica Circus.
>> Okay. See, this is the other.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I know what you're asking.
>> No, I Nobody asked if they had a race at Monaco. I said, "Do they have a race going on?"
>> Simultaneous.
>> Well, I I I don't word everything because I'm talking about something, >> but yes, >> I get it.
>> A race. Yeah. No, there's a race in the vic not to listen not timeline. It'll be in the States. To you as somebody who knows race in the way you do, that seemed like an incomprehensible confusion. Not so incomprehensible to me to me >> that somebody would think that's what you meant.
>> Yeah. Is there an indie race in Monaco?
No. There's never been an indie race in Monaco. No one has ever asked that.
Chuck might have questions about that.
Is there a drag strip at Monaco? No, there is not. No. The Snake and the Mongus do not race in Monaco.
>> The Indie has a series. Is the indie series? Look, it's like saying, is there a professional baseball game going on during the NBA playoffs? And then you go, "No, they can't fit the game onto the hardwood." I I'm not saying they're playing at >> Oh, it's >> on the hardwood. They're But there might be a a baseball game going on >> while there's a basketball game. That's That's what I'm saying. We'll find out off the air.
>> All right. It's all good.
>> All right. Uh maybe we'll get an answer.
Uh Friday, June 12th, Oklahoma City, Bricktown Comedy Club. And then uh Saturday, Tulsa Bricktown Comedy Club.
You know my batting average on saying stuff and people that's not good son.
But listen, they're doing a lot on No, there is no official indie races held in Monaco.
>> Okay, there are no indie There is no such thing as India Monaco. Nobody's ever asked that. Does nobody ask that?
>> Is there an indie series going on at the same time?
>> You know how there's a basketball game going on and sometimes there's a baseball game and they're both Thursday.
>> Not in Monaco. Not in Monaco. Not Monaco but both Thursday night grande.
>> All right, doesn't mind. Go to amcroll.com for all the live shows. What do you got, Drew?
>> Uh, go to dr.com. We'll see you there.
>> Check. Do you know what I'm asking?
>> No.
>> No. I I barely I didn't to begin with two different >> totally different things that could take place on the same weekend but not at the same place. Like Chuck, Saturday night, you could have pizza for dinner and I could have an ambrosia salad. It'd be different, but we'd both be eating dinner on Saturday night.
>> Oh, here we go. Ah. Oh, back to Monaco.
>> Held in Monaco. There is no Indie in Monaco. There is none. It doesn't exist.
>> The AI did that to him.
>> AI did it. All right. All right.
>> Indie series during Well, not during Mon at the same time. Oh, just go find the indie series weekend. Just go find the schedule. Is there one for the 18th or that weekend is what I'm saying. Yeah.
>> All right. Anyway. All right.
>> Can Zach be in two places at one was the question. That's right. All right. See you later.
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