“Enough, Get RID Of Him” | ‘Chaos Every Where As Starmer REFUSES To Resign’

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[00:00:00]at 2:00 this morning. I thought one of the best paragraphs ever. Uh we say a very very very good morning to Dan Hodgeg's mail. How are you my friend?

[00:00:09]>> Very good. Good to be here.

[00:00:11]>> I read this before you even thought of getting up this morning and a reason I keep going back to it is I think it's really really interesting. You you point out that the situation isn't sustainable. You said that the previous Tory administ administrations pushed the boundaries of dysfunctional national governance to the limits. But then you make the point that they did all at a moment realized that country trumped loyalty to party. You say Karma and his party currently have neither the humility nor the dignity to place the national interest ahead of their own.

[00:00:46]The reality is that the prime minister does not give a damn about fighting for the working people of Britain. If he did, he would recognize that his own weakness is now leaving them defenseless at a time of unique international and economic peril. Spot on, Dan. Spot on.

[00:01:02]Where do we go from here, kidda? What's happening?

[00:01:05]>> Well, as I say, literally yesterday the Labor Party just went mad. I mean it just literally I I've been covering a lot of these and as I said this has now exceeded anything that I saw or I think anyone has seen um even during the madness of the touries because as I said the one thing you can say for the tries is when it became clear the position of their prime minister was untenable and when it became clear they were leading their party to destruction and when it became clear as a result of what the that the the prime ministers were doing um you know the governance of the nation was being affected then they did the right thing you know they they you know when they moved against Boris when they moved against Liz Truss they knew how it looked for them and their party but they also recognized that it that the national entrance demanded that the the sort of log jam and the the dysfunctionality end and also in fairness although They dug in, you know, Theresa May, Boris, Liz Truss, eventually they all agreed as well that they had they recognized they had reached a point where, you know, the critical mass of their party had publicly said, "You've got to go now." They recognized there was no point continuing the pain for the country and, you know, dragging this sorry saga out indefinitely.

[00:02:37]That is not where we are this morning.

[00:02:40]currently with the wi with with the Labour party as I say we've got a situation now this is the key thing as well you know forget the Westmin the whole Westminster inside Westminster thing for a second we've got a situation now where last Thursday which seems a lifetime ago and I think actually I think part of the problem is some Labour MPs are kind of trying to move on from last Thursday last Thursday millions of people across this country you know they had their dinner picked up the kids went off to the polling stations like you know in the middle of the evening you know skipped their favorite TV programs or whatever went out and across the country northsoutheast west England Scotland Wales they delivered one message to the Labour party and it was a very clear and simple one and it's one that every Labour MP heard whatever they tell they say on the on the broadcast that message was we've had enough of Starma Do you lot need to get rid of him now?

[00:03:42]And what we're currently seeing is the Labor Party, not just Kia Star, what what the British public are currently seeing is Labour MPs, Labour ministers, obviously Karma himself, collectively saying to them, "Yeah, we know what you said to us.

[00:04:00]Tough, >> tough. You don't understand.

[00:04:05]Karma is a great man. We're going to show you he's a great man. In the meantime, you you ungrateful lot, shut up.

[00:04:14]Get down there. Enjoy those breakfast clubs and leave the business of governing the country to us >> here. Here, Dan.

[00:04:21]>> That's where we are this morning. And the Labour Party is the Labour Party collectively, not just Kiss, the Labour Party collectively >> is going to pay a historic political price.

[00:04:34]>> Yeah. if it doesn't wake if it doesn't wake up.

[00:04:37]>> Uh, interestingly, I couldn't I couldn't agree with you anymore and I keep saying I won't get this out as quickly as you do and as well I do believe that we've changed in many instances in this country. One of the things that I think has changed is the silent majority and I keep saying this because I believe it um have woken up to the fact that their voice can make a difference. And you're absolutely right. whatever the political party when it gets to a point where personal ambition or addiction to power supersedes as your article says economic survival you know I've had people on today out early working paying tax jams who are livid livid that patently this man is not up to it and everybody wants him gone and he's and he's clinging on at all costs especially I mean you saw the clip the hypocrisy of him in terms of what he said to Johnson I want to talk to you then my friend about this morning just had Nigel Evans on today of course where streeting it says in all the newspapers uh where streeting a showdown at 10:00 a.m. Now where's streeting's been planning to be prime minister since he was about three we know all the the ramifications of Burnham coming back in and the left gearing up and people saying it needs to be a flat contest and they want Ke to stay. Am I right or wrong in saying that if Wes Streeting ever ever wanted the chance, right, whether he wins or loses, he's got to show a pair and do it today and if he and and and resign after and after the King speech presumably because otherwise it's another pointless waste of time, isn't it?

[00:06:08]>> Well, there's a couple of things there.

[00:06:09]Again, I think like last time you're on, you are half right. Um he does indeed need to show a pair and this is his >> Yeah. last chance. The only thing and this is that you and everybody watching this program needs to understand we are not going to see anything today, >> right? Today because it's the king's speech and not just because but because the king is in parliament and there are a number of stories around today which I understand are accurate >> in which the palace have specifically communicated under no circumstances drag his majesty into a Labor party civil war today.

[00:06:46]>> Right. All of the camps agreed there will be nothing today, right? So everybody can, you know, this is like this is like the Christmas truce in the first world war, right? That's where we got today. So everybody waking up hoping, oh, you know, West Street, >> right? Cut that. Dan knows the business.

[00:07:01]So he wouldn't wait until he wouldn't wait till the king's back in the in Buckingham Palace and do it. You're saying out of respect for what the king's speech is about.

[00:07:09]>> We are not going to see anything anything today.

[00:07:13]>> So tomorrow he'll do it. Do you reckon he'll resign tomorrow? Tomorrow, tomorrow is is the absolute key day in this whole saga >> right >> at that moment if we don't see any movement from Wes Streeting tomorrow and indeed if we don't see any any movement from Andy Bham in terms of saying I have got a specific seat and I want to come back then and you know what a critic I am of Kier Starmmer Karma has seen them off now only for now because obviously as I say and everybody can see you know we've now got a situation not just where the where the where the British people are saying karma you've got to go you're useless we've got a situation where the where the home seabalmood the current home secretary currently sitting in the home office herself on Monday night went to see Kiss star and said you've got to go you're useless got a situation where the health secretary wanted to speak to Kier stalmer after cabinet yesterday.

[00:08:23]It's not yet clear what what Wes wanted to say or say today, but I think we can all probably guess it wasn't. Just wanted to tell you, Kia, your fight pack speech uh was an absolute masterpiece of oretry. I'm right behind you. My understanding is two other cabinet ministers tried to speak to Kia Starmmer yesterday. This, by the way, is the level of dysfunctionality we've reached, which I've never seen before. Three cabinet ministers tried to speak to the prime minister yesterday about the fact that a hundred of his MPs were at that point.

[00:08:53]>> Who were the other two apart from >> we have we haven't got the we haven't got the names yet. That's that's what I'm going to try and spend today, do find out who they are. But I'm told three tried to speak to the prime minister of country about the fact that hundred of his MPs were at that moment resigning had either resigned were resigning from his government or publicly calling him to go and karma completely refused to even see them. He he point blank refused to to to sit down with them. That's the level of dysfunctionality we're at. Now that is just not sustainable. It's quite clearly not sustainable. Now, as I report this morning, my understanding is on uh sorry, I'm completely losing track of time. It was Monday evening.

[00:09:32]>> Yeah.

[00:09:33]>> On Monday evening, that day when obviously the number of MPs calling was just going through the roof, PPS's were going, ministers were starting to go. My understanding at that point Kia Starmmer recognized what just literally what I've just said to you that that the position was unsustainable and at that point had decided and and recognized that some way I haven't been given the specifics but that in some way he recognized he needed to bring this crisis to an end in a way that united his party and presented him with a degree of dignity.

[00:10:08]That's how it's been been represented to me.

[00:10:12]But then what happened is and and as a result of that in fair fairness to him, he did the right thing. He he reached out to to members of his cabinet to ask them a consultation about how to proceed. Unfortunately, I think for all of us, Shabbana Mimmude came out of either had the whatever conversation she had, it's unclear whether she went into Down Street or had a conversation on the phone. She did explicitly say to Kia Starmmer, you've got to you've got to set out a timeline and Kia Starmer but and then left and then we don't know if who briefed it, but it then emerged in uh in in the media.

[00:10:54]>> Yeah.

[00:10:56]>> The the way it was framed in the media was she told him to go. she was the person who was who who had did >> so presumably briefed by her team to make her look like she'd been >> generally I can't I can't say that because I I don't know I didn't receive the briefing myself and if I had done I obviously wouldn't wouldn't say but certainly the perception within uh within Westminster is that the briefing came from her whoever it came from the practical result was as soon as Kia Starma saw those briefings about Shabban Mimmude trying to force him out. He He just basically went nuclear. And his attitude was, "Look, I'm trying to do the decent." And again, as you know, I'm not his biggest fan, but fair play to him.

[00:11:40]>> I'm trying to do the decent thing. I'm trying to end this in a way that isn't a mess. You're running around basically briefing you, forcing me out. Screw the lot of you. You want me. You're going to have to drag me out here. Which is why we saw what we saw.

[00:11:54]>> Why doesn't he sack Shabbanamood then?

[00:11:56]Why doesn't he sabot and show a bit show a bit of strength to a pair of kahones for goodness sake?

[00:12:02]>> I think in fairness I would say this. I think that's absolutely right. I equally would say if Shabban Mammud believes you know and none of this has been disputed as she said if she believes K star needs to resign.

[00:12:20]>> Yeah >> and or at least set out a timetable presumably she's doing that because she believes it's not in the national interest for him to continue. Absolutely Barnamood Mmood also in my view has an obligation to resign from the government. How can you work for a man that you have no respect for?

[00:12:36]Completely. And this is where we get into the whole debate. I I'm I'm completely with you that that that people have to show not just him, other people have to show courage. West streeting, it's now or never has to show courage. Will Burnham get back. I'm not into the whole Msara Manchester thing.

[00:12:50]Sorry, Mimmude. You might be right. I don't think if I was in Karma's camp, which I'll never be, I'd be saying I'm going to slack her. I don't like a lot what she's been doing anyway. I'm going to impose my authority. I'd let Burnham stand in Manchester. You might laugh at me, Dan, because I don't think right now with the reform surge in that area, they'd stand a chance cuz they'll tell you to a man if he gives up the malty that they'll lose that to reform. So the same could apply despite his apparent golden sort of halo that hangs over his head. The same could apply to them. The cabinet, the cabinet is usually, as you quite rightly said at the beginning of this conversation, somebody would go, three or four cabinet ministers would go and say, "Look, Prime Minister, we've all talked amongst ourselves. You're a dead man walking." They're fractured as well which does no favors to the country does it?

[00:13:34]>> No absolutely I mean like I said I think you know because of there's been so much going on and you know because it you know is definitely difficult for us all I think to process at the moment we do have to understand what the situation is this morning. So we've got a situation this morning as I said where the home secretary of the United Kingdom one of the most important briefs in relation to the national security of of of the nation is sitting in Downing Street in Sydney Downing Street sitting in the home office according to AIDS just getting on with the job having told the prime minister of the country her boss I don't have confidence in you now you have to set out a timetable Now this is the equivalent of uh remember when Sue Bravman wrote that absolutely excoriating letter against Rishi Sunna >> about how she felt about him and then resigned. It's the equivalent of Shabamu doing that. It's the equivalent of Suella Bravman doing that and then just carrying on in the home carrying on in the home office as if nothing has happened. And and this is the other thing that that I do think and and I've been there, you know, I've been part of these whole psycho dramas.

[00:14:51]I've I've reported on them and actually participated in them. You get when this happens, you get a bit sucked up into it, right? There is a there isn't whatever they say, there is an excitement goes along with this. I think what we're seeing at the moment is Labour MPs generally seem to think this is all playing out behind closed doors, right? They're doing their clever briefings. They're using some coded language. Shibbalan Mammu tells the prime minister to go, briefs it, but then thinks, well, I I hadn't publicly done it, and I so I can deny it, so it doesn't really count. The key thing is 40, 50 years ago, all this stuff was done by by many men in dark suits behind closed doors. That's not the country we live in anymore. We have a 24-hour news cycle. We have programs like this. We have people like me who don't observe the the the old sort of rules and do actually report what is going on >> and the public see this. This is the key thing that that K star his ministers and his MPs do not understand at the moment and I I understand why but they just they genuinely don't understand it. The country are looking at this.

[00:15:55]>> Yeah. The country sees a hund a hundred of Kia Star's own MPs saying this man has got to go and yet somehow we've also got MPs wandering around saying oh we need to listen more you know we need to we need we need to listen we need to learn lessons it's right fine if you want to listen the country wants Kar magite I got >> everybody from the left of politics to the center of politics to the Scotland, Wales, England, the Southwest, the Southeast, London. It doesn't matter where you sit on the political spectrum.

[00:16:33]Everyone has clearly said, "Please, please, enough. Get rid of him." And and Labour MPs are going, >> I could do you know, if you're listening on the radio, you got two figures. Dan, I have to you mate, there is no way I can describe how brilliant I think you've been on this. And I'm just going to bring up for people who haven't go and get the mail and read it. The final two lines in this article that I read online this morning was and he said Dan Dan I want to see his face Dan Hud's face because he said and I quote at the end of this mad day where there is chaos everywhere get thank you very much he put I got a text from a minister a labor maybe MP or minister going actually it wasn't a bad day for us and you think well what the hell's a bad day listen thank you my friend always great to have you on Dan Hodges from the mail buy that paper and read it fantastic fantastic bit about what's going on. Total shenanigans at the heart of the government. What we learned from Dan just then is no resignation watch for West Street today. It's been agreed.

[00:17:32]It's been told from the palace of Westminster. Do not get involved in the ceremonial pump and ceremony of what the king is doing. He says get on resignation watch. It is now or never.