Robo lawnmowers have evolved from simple boundary-wire systems to sophisticated self-mapping devices that can autonomously navigate and mow lawns without human intervention. This technology transition mirrors the evolution of robot vacuums, with major vacuum manufacturers expanding into the mower market. While initial adoption was limited to enthusiasts, the technology has become increasingly accessible, with prices ranging from $1,500 to $2,500 for quality residential models. The technology offers significant time savings, particularly for larger properties, and can be effective for maintaining overgrown land that would be impractical to mow manually. However, safety considerations remain important, as these devices cannot prevent determined individuals from physically interacting with the blades. The technology is particularly valuable for elderly users who may struggle with physical lawn maintenance, and can be integrated into family life by assigning children small areas to mow, maintaining practical skills while reducing overall family workload.
The Sideload 039: Digital Landscaping with Chris Wedel
Added:[music] Welcome to the sideload where you are once again safe to go outside. I'm your host Will Saddleberg. Very excited to welcome Chris Wedell back to the program this week. You might remember Chris as the creator behind the YouTube channel Gadgets and Gravel. Uh we had him on last year to talk about both um outdoor gadgets as his specialty and and then also his transition from writing into video. And I I'm super excited to have him back on today to discuss a world that is fairly foreign to myself, uh robo lawnmowers. Before we get there though, Chris and I spent like 10 minutes talking about ISPs and satellite internet before we began the episode in earnest after I hit record. And that led to a whole conversation about uh you know pricing and and and the state of the internet landscape in in 2026. And do you see what I did there? Digital landscaping. It's got a double meaning.
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>> But like setting it up is pretty simple.
It's it's just plug things in and point it to the sky.
>> Yeah, exactly. And just be that just have a generally open area and it'll find where it needs to go.
>> And and so right outside uh the the cottage my my parents have like a that that's cuz it's a relatively new build.
It used to be a very small like 500 foot cottage. Over co they've rebuilt it and now it's like a proper like vacation home cottage with these big windows facing the lake and and it comes out onto like this large cement patio. And so I just ran the ca I like opened the screen door a little bit, ran it through the like fabric brush that keeps like insects out, closed the door again, and then just put the thing and and when they built this, they cleared out a bunch of trees. So the patio has like a clear line to the sky. So it was like perfect. Like I I would get [snorts] minor interruptions every now and then, but like >> you know you I you know sometime like all it would do is sometimes it would hang for like 10 seconds and then be fine. Like well it would reconnect. So, uh, it worked. It worked. It I've been trying since I was a teenager to figure out an internet option up there. And this is the be by far the best we've ever cuz like the other options were like, well, you could, I guess, buy a hotspot and use that shitty LTE connection >> as a router and like but like pay $120 a month or whatever. Like awful >> for 20 gigs of data or something.
>> Yeah, if you're lucky. And those Canadian carrier plans are like make ours look like a like a value. Like they're awful.
>> Oh, that's what I've heard. Yeah, I've heard they're terrible.
>> Yeah, they they had 36 36-month plans like 15 years ago. That's what they were doing. Like when we had two-year contracts, they had three. Like, it's crazy. [laughter] >> All right. Yeah, Starlink may end up going be Starlink may end up going down as like one of the best inventions of you know the 2020s or something.
>> I just I just hope you know it cuz it's cuz it's tied into his SpaceX.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And his AI and his IPO and I'm just like >> Starlink is the only thing that makes that company money. And I'm I'm just looking at it. I'm like you're just going to keep I know you're going to this I know it's going to keep getting worse. It's like every 3 months I'm going to get an email because so far it has been every 3 months I get an email that's like the thing you are paying for slightly worse now.
>> Yeah. I I remember cuz I I wrote an article I think I was at XDA at the time and it gone up like the cost gone up like three times. Like when I first got it, the service was like 90 bucks or 75 bucks or something.
>> And within like a 6-month period is up to like 110 >> and I was just like it went from being like a rural savior to an expensive luxury. Like this is what's like getting people connected to internet and connecting people who can't get anything. Now you're going to go from 70 bucks to 110.
>> It it's it's everything. It's I just it's I I kind of enter into uh uh you know and this is the show now.
Uh Chris Wedell back [laughter] on the on the show. We're 11 12.
This is how it happens. This is the show now. And this isn't even including the 10 minutes we talked before this where I said we should have been recording this.
Um it's nice to see you Chris back outside again. We should say continuing the tradition.
>> Uh I just every service I go into now I'm like this is going to be bad. Like like this is going to get bad. I remember uh my my my best friend when when we used to when we were roommates if um you know like during COVID basically uh he bought a an Xbox Series S or like he was like I want to buy a new console. This was right after all those Xbox like the new the Xbox and the PS5 came out and and he was like I think I'm just going to buy the the Series S cuz it's a good deal. And we like did the math on Game Pass cuz this was back when you could score I think he scored like three years of Game Pass for like $150. Like >> Oh yeah, >> nothing. you're paying you're paying the price of less than three full price games and you're getting Game Pass for three years. Crazy value. And I remember being like, >> you got to remember this is going to be a bad deal at some point. Like I don't like you might hit the end of the 3 years and it's still an okay deal, but at some point this deal is going to be like it's going to happen. Microsoft will get tired of subsidizing this. And I've never been more right. [laughter] >> Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. It it was such a great deal. And at the time like nobody really knew. It was kind of just knew and they were seeing how it was going to do and you know Microsoft doesn't have the greatest track record and then it comes out and it takes off and it does great. And then it got to the point where it was accessible in so many places that that's how they're like look at the extra value you're getting it.
Not just your Xbox but your phone and and all these other handheld consoles that have come out since then.
>> Yeah. It's I just the gaming the gaming sphere is like I don't even know what to make of it. I I don't know how you fix it. Like I don't it's it's >> I'm so disconnected from that world these days. cuz I'm like I I I fired up my Xbox One. I think my Xbox One. I've got an old one and I fired it up the other day and you got it started and looked at Xbox and looked at Game Pass.
I was just like I remember this being cheaper. Like what happened to this?
>> Yeah. Well, that was I mean even when it was like so they they bumped up prices like crazy last fall and that was really when it went from like this is becoming a bad deal to like this is a bad deal for most people cuz it it jumped up to like the plan you would want is like $30 a month. Yep.
>> And it's like, okay, so if there's if there's less than six games on this thing I want to play in a year, I might as well just buy those six games basically, and I'll save money. Um, and then I'll own them. But >> it it you know, the new >> you'll own a license that they can if you if you own if you buy a disc and you can play the you'll kind of own it.
Whatever. [laughter] Whole terrible thing.
>> Yeah. whole other thing.
>> Whole other thing. But it's but so um the the current uh I guess CEO or the leader of Xbox who replaced Phil Spencer, Asha, I can't remember her last name. Asha is her first name. Uh came in and and like one of the things she announced was like, "Oh, like you're right. Game Pass got too expensive.
We're we're dialing it back." And it was like it was like okay but if you look at I I saw people being happy about this and this was before all the layoffs and everything and people are mad again but when people were like trying to be hopeful like Xbox fans trying to be hopeful and it's like guys it's still more expensive than it was a year ago.
Like she didn't cut it back to the old prices and she took off Call of Duty which like even if you don't care about you're getting less value now and so it's like it's still more expensive and has less games. She didn't fix it. She just like put a band-aid on it.
>> Yeah. She basically said, "We're going to lose this expensive property and because of that, we'll lower it a few bucks and make people quiet for a while."
>> Yeah. I just I that company is so I mean like I I've watched them dig themselves into a hole for a decade and it's like Yeah. And they've decided the only way to dig out is to just fire everybody they acquired. It's >> brutal. It's brutal. I you know it's it's terrible. But uh we're not here to talk about gaming. Uh we are here to talk about about your your uh your YouTube channel uh Gadgets and Gravel uh which has been going on. You know, we had you on to talk a little bit about the transition from from writing into YouTube last year. Um and and you're you're carrying on and I the channel continues to grow and uh you're doing kick-ass work. Uh I greatly enjoy uh your videos uh largely because and I said this last year but it's like not a lot of people can have not a lot of people have their you know a leg in each world the way you do the the combination of like out outdoor experience farmland I mean literally if you're watching the video look behind Chris right now like you know what I mean like this rural like lifestyle and then and then combined with your love of technology and and Um, you're the expert in in and those two worlds combining, I think. So, um, you're doing kick-ass work.
>> Well, thanks. Hang on. I'm going to Let me chase this duck away cuz she's going to yell.
>> I think you should leave the duck. I I like the duck. I heard the >> As long as she's quiet. She tends to get mouthy after a while, so maybe she'll waddle off.
>> That's awesome.
>> Yeah, man. It's It's different. Like it's it's a weird like head space to try and balance both halves of it out sometimes. But uh yeah, it's cool. Like it trying to when people ask me like what do I do and I like you know try and talk to them, explain to them or whatever. Like >> how does that work? Like you're doing grills and fire pits and you know robot mowers and things like that, but then smart home and wearable and you know smart home ecosystems and things like that. It's like how does that work out?
I'm like I'm just that kind of nerd I guess. I don't know. [laughter] Well, it you you have struck into something that I think I think you're really early to, which is the that like technology really is a part of like every inch of of your life these days in a way that it was even 10 years ago.
This was not true. Certainly 20 years ago. Um but like like yeah, even if you go back to 2016, like we are not talking about, you know, we're going to talk about some robo mowers today. We're going to talk about um you you you've had some experience with with electric riding mowers. all of this stuff is not that was not there 10 years ago and that that's true of the smart home stuff too and I like it does kind of all coales together um and and frankly is is a lot more I I think there's a lot more interesting developments in that space than like something like smartphones which have become more stagnant that I could have ever imagined probably largely due to to the RAM crisis in addition to just like a >> a a a stalling of evolution Like where do you take the >> phone? Technological roadblocks in there. Yeah, >> exactly. The same way that the laptop has been the same for since the MacBook the first MacBook Air basically set the template of what a laptop was going to be for the next 20 years.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and it's Yeah.
They're definitely the space the outdoor space and things like that are expanding. Like they're trying to find ways, you know, smart homes trying to find ways to expand and improve that ecosystem of things and that's always trying to change. But you know there it's it's a similar situation with phones they're running into technology constraints you know just engineering [snorts] >> hurdles and things to get to to make that different. Smart homes they're kind of running into it's more of a protocol and standards of communication between devices and the rest of the network situation as well as you know how you're controlling them and stuff like that.
So, like it's a different set of challenges and it's kind of, you know, it's kind that's what I like about, you know, being an outdoor tech space, having some stuff out there cuz it's >> it's kind of wide open like there's so much still to do in the outdoor space and things that can change and evolve in that space. So, it's really interesting.
Yeah. I mean, technology really is like it's it's literally getting into everything. I mean, used to be if you're a car person, you know, you're a wrench monkey, you're always playing with grease and this and that. Now, you can be >> you you're a software engineer and you can be a car person. like it is and that it means nothing to do with you know the motor and you know all the all the ins and outs of that. So it's it's kind of crazy how things have changed so much just you know like you said like in the last decade.
>> Yeah. Well, and that's where I mean I mean not to bring this back up, but that is where sometimes I get scared about things like the the lack of lack of affordable RAM where it's like it's like you start thinking about it, you're like, well, like if everything's a gadget, right, and everything is running even, you know, even even if it's like just a a essentially a Raspberry Pi by any other name hidden somewhere in this like it is it does take RAM like it feels like most things have a little bit of memory these days.
Like are are we just like and I'll censor this later. Are we just across the board, right? Like if everything has memory and memory is expensive and we're watching like you know the the sorts of gadgets that have a lot of memory start to increase in price by 50 100 200 $250.
Is everything going to start going up by you know maybe not that to that extent but 510 25 $50?
Where does that leave where where does that leave us when we're shopping for things now that everything is a computer? Does that make sense?
>> Yeah. Oh, totally. And and that's the other problem that's and that's also one of those things that they're going to run into, especially in some of these newer spaces when they're running up against these constraints, things like, you know, RAM shortages and cost increases and things like that. like they're either going to get creative and find different ways or they're going to have to eat some of the cost because these are already like we're talking about mowers and stuff like these are expensive devices to begin with. Yes.
>> You know, and if you're asking somebody to spend three grand on a robot lawn mower for their yard and then you're going to increase the cost again because of RAM or whatever the the shortage may be at the time. Like now you're pushing that thing to $3,500 which it was expensive to begin with. And yes, if you're going to spend three grand, maybe you can expend, you know, afford 3500.
But like it's still that's still not somebody you can just straight up ask me, hey, just because of this, you want to spend another 500 bucks for us because we have a shortage. Like I don't know.
>> Yeah. Well, and and the other thing is, I guess, is that you when you have a knowledge of like what these things cost and and and borderline encyclopedia knowledge, right, which I think both you and I sort of have, like if you work in this industry long enough, you just start to remember what things cost like off the top. I the amount of like random specs and and that have just like baked into my brain because I had to write it like for three or four embargos, right?
Like that stuff like b like like finds its way into your head. And for me, because I know this so well, it is one of those things that when I go to when I go to spend money on a new gadget and it's like I see the price and I'm like I know that's not what it was like six months ago. Like I I can't >> Yeah.
>> I I have a hard time justifying it. Like I, you know, I'm trying to get like trying to make sure that like my dad who has a very old iPhone at this point.
Like I'm like I need I need you to upgrade like now. Like I I don't want you to wait till September because you're just going to pay $200 more than you would today for no reason and you're not going to get a difference. Like he has an iPhone. He's like you're not going to get a difference. You're not going to care about the difference between an iPhone 17 and an iPhone 18.
Um so let's just get you on something that is more affordable now and we can worry about about it later. Um, and that again that's going to apply to everything. It it reminds me of um it reminds me of how the the only thing I can really compare this to is is the car crisis of like postcoid or the tail end of COVID like through 2020 to 2020.
>> I don't know. I feel like by the end of 2022 into 2023, prices started to at least like like smooth like I Prices are much higher than they were 5 years ago, but they have like at least kind of stopped escalating at the same exponential fast.
>> Exactly. And and uh and that's sort of how this feels. Except I don't see with with cars. I was like, well, I know what will what will solve this is the supply chain issues eventually like like supply chain workers going back to work >> returning to normal. Yeah, >> exactly. I don't see the solution for this and and neither do anal like I'm I you know analysts kept being like for the last like six months being like ah probably end of 2027 things will start to like even out and it's like now those same I I did not believe them at the time and those same analysts are now starting to say 28 2930 like yeah because none of these companies have any like like if you're a RAM manufacturer I mean we've already seen like one or two RAM manufacturers leave consumer RAM altogether and be like we're just going to make for AI companies Like but if you're running a RAM company and you look at what these what you know Nvidia is willing to pay you for RAM to put in in you know data centers it's helping to build right like >> why wouldn't you just take that money rather than like being like well but what about man what about what about Kevin out in out in >> Yeah. Exactly.
>> California wants to buy a gaming laptop.
It's like who cares about Kevin? We're going to make a bunch of money selling >> selling gaming like like or selling RAM to people who don't care. Like none of our business like we make four times the money. Everybody else suffers. Like who cares? Um I don't know what fixes that.
>> Yeah. I uh human nature has to change.
Um because >> I guess I mean it's the point where I mean this is kind of going to be the new normal of pricing because they're not they're going to have you know for the legitimate shortage that is there. going to adjust pricing to to kind of compensate for that. They're going to be making all this extra money and when it gets be realistic point where they could lower the cost to average consumers. The likelihood of a company doing that is pretty slim because you're saying let's pass up you know millions to billions of dollars because you want to do this. Now the the nice thing would be you'd offset that to the you know the company they keep paying the higher price you lower it or you know get them extra if you want to if you're going to be taking all this RAM for everybody else then we'll you know kind of subsidize almost yeah subsidize that cost for the average consumer for the enduser devices getting that phone >> you know not the not the data center developers >> but that's that's not it's just not how it works. It's it's such a frustrating time to be like, you know, a tech any kind of like tech or gadget enthusiast, it really is because e even if um you know, putting even aside like personal feelings on on AI, like that doesn't even matter at the end of the day, you're still going to have to pay these prices regardless. And I I just it really becomes a thing where I'm I'm looking at g I just I don't know the next time I'm going to buy a new gadget, right? Like I >> Yeah. Uh, and I'm I'm lucky I actually kind of without meaning to upgraded a lot of my personal stuff over the last uh, you know, not basically before 20 like the last like through 2024 and 2025, I upgraded a lot of my stuff. So, I'm okay for the time being, but what's going to happen in like 20 again 2030, some of this stuff is going to kind of come due to be >> to be upgraded and like where are we on prices? Is any of this fixed? Did anything come back down in price? Like I'm I'm worried about I don't know. I don't know cuz it and it's so interesting cuz it's like what does that like if we've all become as we're saying the smartphone has become the center of the world. It's like if you don't have a smartphone it it could be difficult to be a part of society in some ways right like whether it's just getting around >> it. It is sad. It honestly is sad. Like it's it is frustrating that like >> the idea that I I am now tied to this brick for the rest of my life has has honestly kind of been eating away at me a little bit.
>> Yeah. I mean whether you like it or not.
I mean there are plenty of benefits and plenty of wins to this and all that stuff. At the same time like >> the reliancy on these devices it and and this is coming from somebody I fully admit that I am I've got my my vices with this like I am stuck to this thing and I'm in the you know industry because I've enjoyed this stuff for so long. But I can also see the other half of it is it's it sucks. Like I I really don't like it. And raising kids in this like it's a it's that's a whole other set of struggles.
>> I I Yeah, I I am, you know, I don't have a kid. I But I I have certainly, you know, I'm 30. Well, but I'm I'm 30 now and have at least like, you know, the the thought of like, okay, well, what would raising a kid be like enters into my mind, you know, at a at a I don't want to say frequently, but every now and then certainly. And it's like there's like it doesn't even feel like there's a right choice. It feels like no matter what choice you pick in terms of like kids and I should say I haven't seen Toy Story 5 so maybe the answer is in Toy Story 5 >> and I just need to see that movie and that solves all the problems. But uh but the the relationship between like like okay well how much tech do you give to your kids as they're growing up? Cuz like you know it it it it can absolutely harm them. the internet or or all of these apps can absolutely harm them in in all sorts of different ways. However, that's also where all of their friends are at all like that's where a lot of like social interaction is moved. So, like how do you balance that? Like I it sounds like a nightmare frankly.
>> Yeah, it's it's it's Yeah, it definitely is. I mean because that's the thing like by not doing anything by you know severely restricting nothing to severely restricted you know across an extended period of time almost puts them at a disadvantage in life.
because you have to be fluent with these devices and understand these things. But then the flip side's even the more you can't go wide open because that's a horrible idea because you know internet.
So there's a whole lot of things out there and you know there there's there's some stuff. So that's I mean that you know to kind of go into some of the other stuff that I cover outside of like the robot mowers thing. So, I do parent tech and things like that a little bit too, you know, and over the years I've been lucky and my kids have been ridiculously spoiled and I have to continually remind them like this is not normal because I get to test a lot of smart kids smartwatches, phones designed for kids and other services and things like that. So, you know, they've they've been exposed a lot of this stuff through my my job and these different services and there's varying levels of complexity and simplicity across them. But I mean in the end it's really it you got to be you've got as the parent has got to be active in this thing and it's exhausting because it's ever changing and even for people that do this all the time it's changing and things are different and you know it's it's hard to manage even just the service itself and understand what's out there let alone know how to run the service that's supposed to be protecting your child. Uh there's a there's a couple of companies that are doing some cool things and actually I'm getting ready to get a sample of it, but uh there's a brand called Pinhe >> that does kids smartphones. Uh they have a kids uh smartwatch and a few other products, but they're releasing a it's basically a a landline.
>> Um it's Wi-Fi connect. It's just Wi-Fi.
It's plug. It is a physical phone.
There's no screens. It looks like a classic old landline phone. And it's $6.99 a month if you want to use and it'll call any any phone you want it to call. Parents get to control numbers that come in or out on it. Um but it's and it's a tethered device. It has to be plugged into the wall. There's no battery in it. So it goes back to the thing where you you know the kid just sits in the kitchen or wherever you put the phone and call. And if anybody has a pin wheelel phone then it's always free to call those phones or it's $6.99 a month to do whatever. And so it it it kind of the benefits I see a lot of benefits. I mean, obviously if your kids's out and about or whatever, but you can also you can lock the phone down when you're at home, so their cell phone's not available or whatever. And the age range is kind of a 5 to 12 is kind of where they're targeting. But it also the other half of it I like is it it starts to enforce and teach communication skills >> because >> yeah, >> making a phone call even, you know, watching my kids, you know, call a friend or if I call them and it's just like what? That's not how we answer the phone. Like let's that's not how we do this. uh and you know they'll they're'll call a friend, the friend will pick them, they'll just immediately start into the story. I'm like, "Hang on, let's establish you're there, I'm here, let's have a conversation, move forward." So, so because of that, like it's another things like it's it's it's teaching a skill that's kind of gone away because everything is just, you know, so much texting and voice notes and quick video messages and like having a conversation over the phone is not a skill that most kids have these days.
>> I I have uh I've never gotten uh tired fully tired of phone calls. I actually think there's a lot of I I I think the phone call is underrated. I don't know if that's a stupid thing to say, but but I I love, you know, like I the the affforementioned friend who who got an Xbox in 2021, like um you know, him and I do not have we are both very busy and we do not uh share an apartment anymore.
So, we do not have as much time to hang out. But like honestly when I'm catching up with him, the best way to catch up with him if we don't have time to meet up and hang out is is like I usually will call him and like we will have like a you know 30 minute phone call where like we're just chatting.
>> Uh you know sometimes to kill time sometimes it starts because one of us has a question for the other and then it just turns into a conversation. But like those I have a lot of fun on like talking on the phone still in a way that like I think and again I know this sounds ridiculous of me being like like remember phone calls [laughter] but like like there's such a better I mean >> that's more of the what I would say. I'm I'm the old one. You're only 30 man.
Come on.
>> I'm 30 now man. The the hair is turning gray pretty rapidly. I will say it started with one or two.
>> Terrified isn't it?
>> 28 few more 29. I swear to God I woke up at 30 and they just started like immediately mostly on the sides of my head up by these days.
>> This is quickly going from being a a conversation about you know technology to a just complaining about the what we're now in the good old days. Remember when [laughter] >> but it is it's true. It's the world we live in. It's the world we live in and it's and that's the you know again it's the benefit of seeing both sides of the the line you know just not just in you know what I do but also just in you know in our life like we're at that age we've kind of experienced both halves of it and it's seeing it and you're right about the phone call thing like and that's and that's [clears throat] I agree like I'm terrible I'm not the best at calling people cuz you know it goes back to I'm super busy just hey quick messages here they're you checking in you good you're good yeah let's move on cool >> texting has it don't get me wrong I I send many more text messages than I do phone calls for sure.
>> Yeah. But it's that thing where and it's it because and it's it's obvious when you actually call the person like you actually you know a person you're friends with you care about. It's obvious that that is the preferred way because it ends up becoming a phone call that lasts half hour, 30 minutes, an hour, you know, you don't realize. You just keep talking, it's gone, you know, and that's how it work. And that's just how it works. And that's, you know, that's why before we even started, we talked for 10, 15 minutes before we started and another 10 15 minutes and the start is cuz, you know, you don't you text, you know, you and I will text back and forth here and there, but we meet up at a at an event or something and so like it's it's one of those things like, "Hey, we haven't talked in forever." So then you're just like everything comes out and and that's what happens with phone calls. And so that's that's the one thing I like, you know, the idea of that pin wheel phone.
There's a couple other brands of Kindle off the top of my head and it's a cool idea and I I and I saw it for the first time at CES and everybody who stopped by there were I could hear people talking like this is so great like I love this like I miss the landline and things like that and you know it would be great for my kids and and the adults were also like from aside from talking about their kids using it they're like this will be I can call any phone I can do anything like yeah like they're like I might get one just for my house >> and pay seven bucks a month to have a landline you Oh, I uh I looked into those and there's not a good option that I could find, but I I earlier this year cuz I have been trying and I don't have the best job for this, but I've been trying really hard to like use my phone a lot less. Like, I've been trying to I I you know, to the point where we were talking about earlier about like, oh, I just have to carry this thing around feeling like you need to have a phone on you at all times.
Like, I I I guess because So, I I got my first We're talking, we're saying I'm 30. I got my first phone, my first smartphone, not even my first phone, my first smartphone when I was 15, right?
So, this has been and I was and it was early to that and it was because I was interested in technology that led to this job. Like 100% that was not a I was like one of the first people in my school to have like a smartphone. But like that's half my life that I have been like tethered to this thing and and it has been a little bit of like am I getting tired of that? Like, am I getting tired of having to feel like constantly connected to not just my family and friends, but ev everything, every app, every every smart connected device in my my house. Uh, you know, the the the Little Caesars app that wants to send me coupons, like everything is just yelling at me at all times. And it's like it's like, yes, you can use and I do I use like all sorts of, you know, the do not disturb modes and all of that stuff, right? like you can you can go through the process of making it more manageable, but god damn, it like sucks sometimes to just feel like you you cannot just like can I just have a moment to watch a movie and not feel like I need to check my phone because what if something what if what if someone is trying to get a hold of me?
Like I I I it's weird to finally be like I want that freedom, but I do. Yeah, I 100% get it. And it's, you know, the the I I don't I haven't had a ringtone on my phone. I don't know how long. I have no idea what my ringtone is. It's n it's always on vibrate. I never have it on ring. Like it's 1% of a year. Maybe I had turn the ringer on and I and I just everything's filtered through my watch, which isn't a whole lot better, but I reduce the number of notifications I get that constantly drag my attention. So the only like I only get, you know, certain messaging apps can get to my watch, you know, emergency things or whatever, but I pull all that back. So I kind of reduce that.
>> You got you can't miss, you never know when that coupon's going to drop.
>> So I [laughter] so, you know, so I get that and you know, but the problem is that as soon as you pick up your phone, you're you're in. You're stuck. Before you know it, you're like, I didn't realize this. I just spent 30 minutes. You check those notifications. You go check an email.
Oh, you jump on social media just real quick. And then here there and you're done. And it's a yeah and it's you know I I don't I don't know the answer cuz obviously the you know the well-being apps do a little bit here and there but at the same time like >> you're an adult and unless you got some really good willpower you must not your willpower must be suspect to begin with because you need this service to help you keep out of it. And if it's not strong enough to not do it before are you strong enough not to hit that code to exit out of it to go in to do what you need to because you have access so you're the one in charge of the phone.
>> Yeah. Well, and and it I thought it was interesting Google announced around IO some of the stuff they're working on with that to kind of improve or or strengthen uh how it's how it's um how it stops you from accessing those apps, right? It's got those like mandatory weight times or whatever and and and things like that. But it it um I agree it's it's a fully willpower thing and and I have I have made a lot of progress on it this year and I've talked a little bit about it on the show before, but like you know um one of the biggest things I did was was uh I started by just uh I got really into games for a couple months like like I was basically just like instead of watching a movie or TV show at night, I was like I'm going to play a video game and and because of that I can't pick up my phone like I it I my hands are on a thing that in like the thing that the entertainment I'm enjoying at in the evening requires my direct input to to happen as opposed to a movie or TV show which is obviously much more passive. Uh, I have now like like um you know I'm I'm still playing a couple games but like I I have tampered you know added movies or shows back into the mix and it's like I don't know what happened but it did fix my brain a little bit where I can a little bit easier just like watch a TV show without feeling like I have to have another thing in my hand. That that's not to say it's perfect or whatever but like built a little bit of that muscle back of like no like we can have we can have one thing. We can the brain can enjoy one thing at a time and you don't need to sit.
>> I've been I've become very much aware of that lately too. Like putting on a show and then my phone's in my hand. I'm listening out of this ear and I'm looking at this and sometimes you know a video will pop up and I'll pause the show or mute it so I can listen to the video and then switch. I'm like this is this is bad. Like what am I doing? Stop.
This is Yeah. I got you know I'll put my phone on the other side of the room so like I just I don't touch it. Like it's it's Yeah. It's it's a bad it's terrible. It's not a good habit. And then [snorts] you know and then but on the one hand the benefit is because I've finally recognized it. It's lead by example situation with the kids because I I'll catch them sitting there with a TV on and a tablet in their hand and I'm like >> yeah they they picked that up from you know from me and me and mom. So I need to okay this needs to get better. So I can't tell them hey come on let's one thing at a time if I'm not doing it. And so you know that's one method so far of accountability for myself.
>> Totally. I mean, it's it's it's so weird to be like to talk about this like the way you would talk about quitting cigarettes, but that is kind of how it feels a little bit where it's >> an addiction. Yeah.
>> It it really it's like >> oh, it's this is a real like thing in my like a like a psych a psychological element in my brain or a chemical element maybe even that is like you you want to and and oh my god, it's the other thing I did. I I can't and I' I've talked about this, but it's you got to do it. It's not even just enough to take the apps off your phone. Like you should take Twitter and Blue Sky and Thread like take all that stuff off your phone even and and it sucks because like it makes work annoying and like I'm terrible at posting on social media about anything I'm doing at this point because >> it's only at my computer now. But like I've taken it off my phone. I'm not even I used to be logged into the browser.
I'm not even that cuz like that is its own can of worms fully. Like I I I think you know every now and then I'll allow myself to like log into one of them for like five or 10 minutes and then I'm I'm always like well actually it's it's it doesn't all three of those Twitter Twitter blue sky and threads annoy me in different ways. And so what will inevitably happen and maybe this is one tiny tiny little benefit of of uh Elon buying Twitter and and these social networks like you know forking off into their own different directions right because every like everybody used to kind of be on Twitter and now everybody is somewhere or nowhere is that like it doesn't take long for me to go what am I doing like not all of this is stupid like like I'm not having a good time and Regardless of which app, I will be annoyed for a different thing. Like like Twitter, I don't think I need to explain to anybody why Twitter is annoying these days. You know, Blue Sky uh can be a little bit too Blue Blue Sky thing is like uh I always think about like the Marge Simpson like kids, can you lighten up a little uh uh quote like that's how I feel about Blue Sky? Like oh my god, can we just like have fun for a second or like no, is that not allowed here?
And then threads is just >> to be so serious.
>> It's it's it's like I get it, man. Like I I get times are tough out there and things are stressful. I agree with you.
I am trying to get a little bit away from that when I come onto this website that's supposed to be escapism.
>> But I mean that's the problem with the the internet now. And and you were saying we've kind of existed on both sides of this. That's how I feel about the internet where it's like the internet I spent all my time on as like a teenager, right? I did. And boy did I spend all my time on the internet as a teenager is gone. Like doesn't exist.
Like most of the websites I went to are genuinely were either either are shut down, were sold off or are unrecognizable from what they used to be. And and like nothing ever replaced them. They just died. Like I don't you don't browse the web anymore. Like where where are you going to go?
Well, and it's, you know, if you do happen to go to a website and you're just browsing, you're you're likely going to end up on through some series of links and ads to somewhere you had no intention or probably business being because everything is so just random out there and nothing. And that's what's and that, you know, it goes back to like what do you tell your kids? It's like how do you start allowing access to this thing that you remember as being a place where learning and exploring and finding stuff out and just fun, you know, good clean fun right on on the web. And [clears throat] it has not been for a while. Yeah. It's it's just it's it's so crazy.
>> Look, I'm I'm I'm not trying to pretend that the old internet or the internet in general can't be a dangerous place. It's I spent a lot of time on the IMDb forums as like an 11year-old man. like it it it I could have been groomed. That was that could have happened like 100%. I was I was on there posting about all sorts of movies again as an 11-year-old. Uh and those are gone, right? And like like probably for the best that nobody can go find the post I was writing on the forums as 11-year-old. But um you know, it's it's stuff like that where it's like it's like I don't even where would I what am I reading? What am I want?
Like I guess I guess articles are dead, right? Like for like for a lot of people, the internet is not a place you read anymore. It is literally just like a place where you watch things, which and and and that's largely for like younger audiences, but like >> Tik Tok and the ensuing clones of Tik Tok have basically cemented this attitude of like short form video is the thing you consume on the internet. It's not text anymore. Um, and you can see that I mean I mean you you'll know about this for sure because like not just because you're producing video largely as your main thing now, but like you know if you look at I'm sure I'm sure you see it. You go on Reddit threads, you go on anything about about, you know, phones, watches, any product, and like what people usually talk about, you people used to talk about, oh, the Verge said this and Gadget said that, Gizmodo said this, etc., etc. And now it's just like MKBHD and like five other YouTubers, right?
Like that's what's listed there. And like if if The Verge is mentioned, it's to complain that the Verge doesn't do uh video reviews anymore and stuff like that. and and and so it's like, okay, if I don't if I'm not in the mood to watch something, which is frequent because I'm not a short form video guy, where where am I going on the internet?
And and and it's just sad like there's no answer to this. The answer is like kind of nowhere. It's it's more of a >> this is more of a a uh a memorial than anything for this this old internet that >> disappeared.
>> And that was a large reason, you know, kind of why I transitioned out of publication. you know, I from being, you know, for as much as I enjoyed, you know, there's plenty I enjoyed about being a part of of a place and writing and things like that. And I and there's, you know, a whole different thing, but I could I could see as I was in it, you know, I hadn't been in the in the publishing world for very long. And and I could see just from the short time that I had started to when I ultimately decided I'm not doing this anymore, like how much it had changed, like the shift in viewer like readers, the shift in the the the types of articles being written, like everything was shifting. And I was like, I don't I don't like this. It's like this isn't the world that I got into that I was excited and I loved and like you know kind of grew into and you know so I was like I'm going to I'm going to look at something else and you know YouTube is kind of the only other option so that's kind of where I ended up but yeah it's such a weird space these days and going out and going back and I still I still go and visit you know the Verge and Ingadget and Android Central and all these other sites you know 9 to5 and everything and so but going there you can still like >> these sites like you were saying that you've been on you you looked at for years and you go into them now and I'm like I don't this isn't the same site anymore like it's so different now.
>> Yes. It it and it's and look I think things evolve and you have to evolve to meet people where they are and and and that's true you know to your point uh and this is to say nothing about about um any site specifically. It's just that this is a trend the entire internet is seeing but from my perspective I which is really the only one I can speak to.
You know, I started at Android Police in 2021. And I remember uh over that summer, so this is before I was full-time. I was still freelance. Uh I I I remember publishing an article about Android Auto for phone screens shutting down. If you remember the old Android Auto for phones layout, because they were going to replace it with assistant driving mode, and we all know how that went because you remember assistant driving mode. Um but but I published this article and it I it it did crazy numbers. It did I think it topped out um the last number I saw on it was over two million views >> that you that doesn't exist on the internet anymore like for for an article. just honestly like it, you know, um I I I'm not going to give specific numbers, but let's I've I've never like I've certainly not done an article above a million uh uh sense, right? Like that that that is gone.
>> Yeah. It's got to be a sensational breaking news something and it's generally got to be tied to something else maybe Apple related or you know something something that that comes into the social sphere of things and attack you know attaches to that in some way.
Yeah, I Yeah, it's, you know, and and you know, but it's also, you know, and from the YouTube side of things, it's not much from that side of things, it's not much different. Like it's, you know, unless you're a major creator, like getting something to just blow up randomly is it's I don't I mean, I obviously have no idea what I'm doing because I haven't done it yet. So, I don't know. But it's it's the same thing like it's and it's such a tough place.
standing on websites. They're competing against so many, you know, other websites and they're competing against other media, you know, too, you know, like it's it's it's even a third thing. And I I don't even mean AI written articles. I literally mean >> Google's AI search results. Like you're competing against them. Like you are.
>> It's it's impossible. So yeah, I mean I I just I I I >> I hate saying I'm pessimistic about about it like articles on the internet because I I work for a website that uh publishes articles on the internet and does and I like publishing articles on the internet. Although although I'm sure you know if people go to my author bio you'll notice that like >> I have mostly been podcasting these days and and part of that is is like I know there's a little bit more of an audience here. Like I know I know that exists in a way that like it is trickier to to find people. um just by just by you know I would love to like sit down and spend a couple weeks and like do deep research on a 1500word article but like the question becomes like are people going to read it like I it's >> more than ever like the answer used to be like probably yeah like people will find it like someone will find this even if it's not as many people as you thought like people will enjoy this and these days it's like there's no guarantee that that this will be seen by enough people for you to feel like you you did uh you got anything back for the work you put in like and it's it sucks.
It sucks.
>> Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, and it kind of goes back to I think part of it is a lot like we were talking before about you know watching TV and having your phone in your hand situation. It's similar to that like because everybody is so you know either I have to watch video because it's just all visual thing.
That's just the way the world is or it's also the other half of you know they're it's something they can do while they're doing something else. they can have a YouTube playing in the on the side while they're doing this thing over here or you know watching video or listening to a podcast where you can't really read an article and do something else at the same time. And so it's a lot of that is and I think that's part of it as well is just that whole you know forced or the assumption that you have to multitask, you know, >> right? like we you you hear all these reports about how Netflix mandates certain elements in their in their um movie specifically for for characters to repeat information multiple times or to say things that are happening in the scene out loud in order to >> um you know allow people who are not looking at the screen to understand what's happening in the movie. They're technically watching. I guess they're not >> they're it's on in the room and you know >> on one hand it's sad, right? Where you're like you should not have to meet people there. People you like you shouldn't cater to that behavior because all you're doing is reinforcing it and it's not it's not good like it's not good for art, right? Like it is not good for you to have to be like, >> you know, all right. Hey, uh uh David Fincher has a Netflix movie coming out this year. David, come here for a second. I know you're enjoying making this movie with Brad Pitt. I can you just make him like I I know you established it in the last scene what he's up to, but can you can you have him repeat what he's doing in this scene just in case somebody's not paying attention? And it's like, >> yeah, >> that's not a good use of and David Fincher is probably exempt from this.
But you understand like what I'm saying like >> like you're not going to make masterpieces of art by by putting these mandates in of like make sure you have you know you know the other like Matt Damon was like you always have to it used to you used to save your best action set piece for last and now you have to put it first because otherwise people will click off. And it's like again you're not going to make a masterpiece. So, you're not going to make, you know, I'm trying to think what is a what's a and you're not going to make John Wick, you're not going to stumble on the John Wick franchise via Netflix like mandating this stuff, right? Like, you have to be able to make an organically crafted film >> uh or or TV show or whatever in order that that is delivering on what it's setting up to do and not delivering on like, well, we know our viewers have like terrible attention spans, so we're just going to like cater to it. Yeah.
[laughter] >> Yeah. our our uh aderall induced viewers can't keep up with it because they're unable to focus because they've fried their brain cells staring at 16 screens for their entire life. [laughter] >> Oh my god. Okay, we I I you know, it's been we've been chatting for almost an hour and we have not even talked about any of the stuff we were going to talk about. So, let let's get a little bit let's let's do a little bit on on um robo mowers and electric riding mowers and and uh maybe we could leave it.
We'll h have to have you back on to talk about wearables cuz that that is its own. You know, I I have eventually we'll have the um uh Pebble Pebble Round two or whichever one is shipping last, the one they announced after the other two.
I switched my pre-order to that one. I will eventually have that and maybe we have you on after I get that and we can talk about the state of wearables in general. Um >> yeah, I need I need to check I I have need to check out the the Pebble. I haven't really looked at it recently, so I may look back into them.
>> I'm so It's It's I've never had a Pebble, and I I am I'm genuinely excited to have one because I I do enjoy having a smartwatch. Um but I feel like this will be the right, you know, for everything I've just said, this might be the right level of like smart but not overbearing like like in in a way that like maybe works a little bit better with my, you know, entering my 30s. I don't want to be connected all the time anymore. Brain. [laughter] Um, but robo mowers. Robo mowers. So, uh, uh, what are we seeing? This is a world that is is, I should say, is is, uh, a little foreign to me. Um, you know, I was talking to, this is a couple months ago, but I, uh, uh, 9 to5 own Ben Shown and then, uh, uh, Android Authorities Joe Maring both got, I believe, both got robo mowers to test out. I think maybe from the same brand as like review units. and and they were talking about it and I'm like, >> man, it it sounds cool. It really does.
I I'm like the the number one thing I want to know about and we we can get to it. You don't have to start here is the safety thing because directly next door to me and I I you know, I live our houses are pretty close to each other uh is is a a very rambunctious 5-year-old kid uh who does uh sometimes throw a ball into my backyard, which is not a problem. Like he has permission to come into the backyard and grab it. It does.
I just see the vision of like [laughter] of like me unboxing a not even not even something bad happening just me setting up the robo mower and then having to like look at my neighbors and be like robo mower huh we're just going to let this go while you kid please in the driveway that touches my yard.
[laughter] So tell me tell me a little bit about robo mowers.
>> Yeah I mean well on the on the safety side you know varying brands have different things and all of them do the whole recognition if you get there and this and that. I mean, there's only so much you can do. You can't you can't The mower may stop, should stop, hopefully stops if they approach it. You can't do anything about them flipping it over and playing with the blades. Like, that's a whole other side of things. So, that's a there's no safety measure to keep him from physically flipping the thing over.
But, >> um, you know, a lot a lot of brand, you know, Segways one where as you approach it, if you get too close, it shuts the whole mower down and it won't go anywhere until you get away from us, which is things like that are nice.
instead of just like seeing you and then redirecting, it goes a step further and just shuts it down. But that's >> uh yeah, like robot mowers robot mowers are crazy. It they've they've changed so much and and it's funny is so since I've I've covered >> robot mowers in some capacity now for four years or so.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and started off like the Husqavarna auto mower has the boundary wire and it just bounces off of things and just all over the yard and eventually gets it mowed. uh and to now where it's so much more advanced and so much easier to use and like the accessibility of mowers has changed so much. And in that 4-year period, it went from, you know, friends and family members being like, "That's dumb." Like, "Why do you have that? It's just a waste of time. You got to mow yourself." To now my my father-in-law has three, my mom has one. Uh I a friend of mine just bought one this last week to they're like, "Yeah, I get it now.
This is this is nice. These are great."
So they like with the way things have changed, like I put a video out a couple weeks ago just kind of on where we are in robot lawnmowers and kind of where I see some things going and a lot of the changes that has really made this easy is kind of the navigation side of things where before, you know, like I said, you had the boundary wire in there. and you had to bury that in the ground and if it breaks, it messes everything up to now where you can literally just unbox it, set it down, plug the thing in, put the motor on the dock, log into your app, add the device, and hit go, and it'll map your yard, and then it's done and does it all by itself. So, you don't have to do literally anything with them.
And there's levels of complexity between those and how much, you know, hands-on you get to or have to be in it and things like that. and like it has made it so much easier and the accuracy and ease of use within the app and the devices like >> competency of the devices has increased so much. But on the flip side, you also just like with any device, you know, the not all of them are winners. Um, you know, if you see a robot lawnmower and they typically, you know, depending on the size of how much yard it's mowing is anywhere from, you know, $1,500 to $2,500 and then from there can go way up. Um, if you come across a robot mower that's $600 at full price normally, uh, it's probably not going to be very good and you probably should avoid it because it's that is the one that is going to drive into your neighbor's yard and chase your 5-year-old down.
>> Oh, man. [laughter] >> Uh, it's it's so interesting. It it's it's I guess I hadn't thought about this, but I feel like you just described the exact trajectory that uh robot vacuums went down where it was like it's like, "Yeah, they're not bad. They're not bad. You have to settle for a bunch of like uh compromises to not be able to like, you know, run run a vacuum manually. But like, you know, it can be cool. It can be cool. And then like overnight one day, you wake up and you're like, "Oh, they're actually good now." And they they can do all the like all of the annoyances that, you know, not everything's solved. Although although they uh robo vacuum makers will not stop putting robot uh robot arms on on vacuums until every problem is solved. stairs and socks are the two things they're trying to to accomplish.
Uh but but it's it's so interesting that it sounds very and and you know to your point like if you buy the budget it's not you know they're different prices but if you buy that budget robo vacuum even today you are you are going to have that like mediocre experience in the way that you're describing with the with the robo mower. It's just so interesting that, you know, and it's not surprising because they're they're very similar.
They're y they're using similar technology to accomplish uh not the same goal, but the same idea of where I I need to work down patterns to cover every inch of a space that I that has been outlined for me.
>> Um it's it's interesting to see it just it's faster than I would have thought, I guess, that robo mowers have started to approach >> this phase of their life.
A lot of a lot of companies that make vacuums are starting to do robot mowers.
Like one of the first ones I I had come across was Yuthi and theirs was a very very much it's a you know very residential and it wasn't even theirs like they they'd admitted like it was kind of a white label machine and then they put their intelligence into it.
>> Um >> but it's it was very much a residential put it in a space it's self mapping vision mapping m and it does a good job.
It's fine. It's very much a suburban mower and it's fine. Um, but like Eovax, uh, Robo Rock, uh, Dreamy, uh, MOA, these are there's four brands there that do robot vacuums and have gotten into the mower space and, you know, and it it makes sense. I mean, it's a similar concept idea. Obviously, it's outside different set of challenges with things, but, you know, when you have the general idea and the technology already do it indoors, you know, just adapting to the outdoors and and surprise, those brands do really well with navigation. you know, some of them are, you know, some of them cut better than others and some of them have better object recognition and just intelligence across the space.
But it, you know, it makes it makes sense seeing that kind of expand out into that area. And it's, you know, I kind of joke like, you know, mowers put it down and vacuums pick it up, but it's essentially the same same concept.
>> Yeah, absolutely. I So I Let me ask you this. Do you do you regularly outside of review testing use like a a cuz you have you have a large amount of land and I know some of it obviously use an actual tractor for but like >> the the portion of your yard that I assume you you have like a lawn mower for like do do you rely on robo mowers these days or are you still kind of >> leaning towards are they not quite ready for for what you have to throw at them?
>> I I have not started my riding lawnmower in this will be two years.
>> Wow. Um, and my tractor has largely there's just a few areas I use it for brush hog and then general tractor work.
In terms of cutting grass, >> yeah, I don't like I keep I maintain close to 5 acres mowed through different mowers across testing like this back here um used to be part of the field and then when we got the house this that portion became part of our property and we decided to put it back to grass uh because this it's not a big area and like it wasn't a big loss or gain for us or like that. So, um, so we put it back to grass and just literally did nothing.
Just said, "Hey, when you disc your your your the farm ground for the last time, disc that for us, please." And then just leave it and it's, you know, farm grass, weeds, random whatever coming up in it.
>> Uh, and it's and I brush hoged it one time last year and after that I let the Yarbo Pro mower get into it and mow it down and knock it all down and it was it was waist high and it was tall and nasty stuff and it didn't it wasn't perfect.
But after, you know, five or six passes through it, it had it knocked down. And it was mainly, you know, I wouldn't recommend doing that. I would mow it first, but I was like, we're going to see. They say it can. We're going to test it and go at it. And now like it I just keep it maintained. And now I can run whatever mower I want across it for testing purposes. And so I've got to the point now where >> it's all what it is. And like this is that's that's where we're at now is just this it's just grass. And that's and a lot of that is because of the robot lawnmowers.
>> Yeah. Because if I if I had to mow that myself, you know, to keep it knocked down, the weeds will continue propagating because I'm not going to have the time to do it. And I'm not going to mow it from 3 and 12 to 3 in.
Like, I'm not doing that. I I don't have time to do that cuz it's a big chunk of grass. But because the robot lawnmowers, I can send them out there every other day and just just to continuously cut the tops of those weeds down. They give up and the grass then, you know, gets fertilized and grows and does fine. So, within basically a year, I've gotten it down to grass. largely is because of the robot mowers.
>> That's crazy. I you know I um I grew up I grew up not not a completely dis to be honest my my backyard growing up did not look too dissimilar from yours. Um we we had we had five acres total. Uh and so I I would say I'd say twoish of it was was done by uh by by riding lawnmower uh starting at age 11. That was that was me. Like I turned 11 and my dad was like, "Congratulations.
>> Come learn how to mow the lawn."
[laughter] >> Yeah.
>> It's funny though, cuz that was it was around when I got Well, so like I think like a month after that is when I got my first iPod. I got my first or I got an iPod Nano. Uh and and it you know, I've always said like I I mowing the lawn even today and I use a push mower uh here because we do not have enough enough land where we live to to justify a riding lawn mower. No, no one. I don't I don't think anyone on my block has a riding lawn mower unless they hire a service to mow their lawn. Um, but you know, even today with a push mower, mowing the lawn is not a chore I've ever really hated because it the entire time I've done it basically my entire life, I've had the in almost 20 years had the ability to just throw on headphones.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. And like, you know, first it was music and and these days it's usually a podcast and it's been a podcast since high school, but um but but like it's the reason like it's the one thing that I've always been like that that sounds nice, but like mowing the lawn is not a chore I hate. And sometimes I actually kind of like especially, you know, the in the late spring or early fall, it's kind of nice to have an excuse to go outside and you're busy but like not you're not really doing much like you're you know like I'm walking around every inch of my property, I guess. But that's not hard.
>> Um >> I Yeah, 100%. I'm the same way. It's like when the when the early in the season like I'll usually do the first mow myself just to you know it's finally warm enough to get out there and I can be outside and being around it and and you know and there's a few times throughout the year I go out and I'll you know and I'll brush hog some work or do something like that just because for the same reason like I you know before I had the robot lawnmowers in my old my old house like I had to brush hog quite a bit and even with that I know with my tractor I was still cutting for two hours like it was a lot of cutting with that thing still you know I aside from being hot and, you know, dusty and bugs all over the place running through some of that tall grass. I enjoyed just two hours to just be on the tractor, not really have to think and listen to a podcast or something. So, I totally I'm the same way. But going back, so kind of tying back into, you know, dealing with kids and trying to raise them in this this world we're in now.
>> Yeah.
>> Aside from phones and technology, internet, is same with this with the mowers. And so, because I have everything to mow similarly like when you're a kid, that's what you do. your your parents when you're finally able to mow without worry of getting, you know, injuring yourself or breaking things, you go mow. Well, all my grass is mowed with robot lawnmowers.
>> And so I leave just a couple of spots around my barn >> in sides of my driveway and I'm like, you guys can mow that. Like that's your your one bit of work you have to do as far as mowing the grass. And so I leave a couple of sections for them to mow.
And uh they're they use, you know, battery powered push mowers to do it.
Uh, so it's just that's the one little bit, but yeah, it's the same idea. I'm like, that's the other thing is like people have been like, you know, friends or whatever. They're like, "So, do your kids have to mow or do anything?" And I was like, [laughter] "I I still I still I'm mean enough to make them still mow a little bit."
>> Yeah. You You purpose purposefully. It's like leaving. It's like It's like I did 90% of the dishes.
>> You have You have to scrub the last [laughter] >> Yeah. cuz I'm telling you when you leave I'm not when you leave home I'm not sending you off with a robot mower so you better know >> those are your those are your robot mowers. [laughter] >> No, but like I you know that's a good point is that it's a it's a good uh you know it's it's a good skill to have I suppose because like how many how many people are going to be like I'm I'm going to learn how to mow the lawn at 30 years old or whatever right when I if I buy my first house or something and never done it before. And maybe maybe in the future it really is just everybody has a a robo mower. I mean I mean I mean that's >> every house just you start selling homes with a mower.
>> Exactly. Well, so what what I was going to say really quickly about about you know the the property I grew up on is that like my my dad very similarly would would and I I never I think I only I only did it for him like once or twice.
Like I I I don't really have a good reason as to why I never really brush hoged. Uh but he he had a tractor and he had a brush hog and he would he would two or three times a year go out and do those other three acres. Um you know and and and it would take him kind of probably even longer than your you know three four hours and he'd come back and soaked in sweat and >> uh like like dirty, right? And like it was just it looked like awful work. And obviously my my dad was not um you like my my dad wasn't listening to anything like he he just had he [laughter] was just doing it thoughts only like no nothing no distraction.
>> Oh no.
>> Uh but but uh but like I that the idea of like you could just put some some robots out there and and you know over a few a few runs like get that down to like the you know at the very least the like shortcut field that you would want it to be. Like that's that is >> Yeah. Yeah. And not all mowers are going to do that because you know, you know, you're not going to send the the UI E15 out there to do that. And you know, there's a lot that aren't. And to the point like that that patch of field, I only ran the Yarbo Pro on it initially because it has standard steel mower blades. Now, they're short, but they're steel mower blades and not the little razor blades that 90% of robot mowers are using. Those are great in their own way, but you're not going to run that through a field like that. Uh but the Yarbo and the only other mower I've run through it is Limo uh is a brand they're relatively new. They've only got a couple mowers out, but Limo the Limo One Plus uh because it's it's a >> it's a the deck and most mowers have the deck underneath the mower and everything is self-contained. Well, Limo puts it out front and then it's got kind of like the Yarbo idea, but it's all self-contained. but it's got short little small steel mower type blades. Uh so it can handle that type of grass aside from having other benefits to those blades.
>> That's interesting. I it it it is a world that like remains kind of foreign to me outside of like your genuinely your videos on it. Um >> yeah, >> and and actually, you know, maybe this is this is a good a good closing point on it and and uh I would encourage people and it'll be linked in the description. Please please go watch uh uh that roundup video is is great. So go watch that roundup video. that that's I think a really good primer on on the state of of things. Um sort of sort of echoing my own my own point uh what I was talking about with like my neighbor. Um when you're talking to your your friends about about the you know you're talking about leaving your your kids the the space to mow a little bit or whatever. What is the stigma around these things like these days? cuz I I genuinely don't know like when you're talking to to your friends like is this a thing where they're like you're letting a robot like do your yard or whatever or is it one of those is it more of a like I do want one of those actually like like where cuz no one on no one on my street or like I I have not seen one in my neighborhood. Right. So if I were to buy one I would be the first to my knowledge the first person to have one. Yeah.
>> And like >> I don't I don't know how that makes what what is what like are people ready for this? Like are people are general consumers when they see these things, do they go like, "Yeah, I do want that."
Like in the same way that I think a lot of people saw RoboVax and said, "Yeah, I do want that."
>> Yeah, I think it's still kind of enthusiast leaning. Okay. uh it's becoming far more common you know and I think a lot of it as you get more >> more recognizable brands I think and and part of the having robot vacuum brands because robot vacuums have become you know such a popular and you know common thing that there's there's known brands there so they see that brand attached to a mower it it kind of has a familiarity and a little trust built into it. you know, you got Segue is is a well-known brand and they've got robot mowers and they do a fantastic job. But like talking to, you know, just average people and and it's going to vary depending on where you're at. You know, living here in a rural area, you know, you there's the sense of pride of maintaining your own property and hard work and, you know, bluecollar, very agricultural focus. And so when you're you're you're offloading it, not only you're I'm not doing the work. I'm I'm >> farming the work out to some somebody else and I'm not paying you know the kid down the street to come on my yard. So there's that whole thing. And so then and then you know then you got a robot in there and piece of technology and it's just going to break and it's going to do this and do that. And none of that is false and none of that is wrong. But when you when you and this is kind of where some of my my my family and friends that have gotten one and now have gotten a few in some cases has shown up. My father-in-law initially got one from me and just to mow around like his cedar trees at the on the back of his property cuz getting underneath them weed and things like that was a pain. So he just wanted to mow this burm that had a bunch of cedars on it. Well, [clears throat] then it did such a good job, he kind of expanded it and gave it some more area and then more area and then it started to click like, hey, this does a really good job and I'm not spending hours a week mowing my yard and you know the amount of time it gives back to me to go do things cuz you know him and his my mother-in-law, they're retired and they like to travel and go to the kids grandkids events and stuff and so it the amount of time it frees up and know similar with me aside from the fact that I test these like the amount of time saved per week in throughout the summer and mowing season. It's just it it's hard to argue with that. Now, if you've got a yard that you can have knocked out in 30 minutes, >> you may not see that, but at the same time, you may not want to mow. And then you've got, you know, then you've got and the other thing I've talked to about people, you know, especially people that are closer to my age and younger, and mentioning to them like, "Yeah, it's super helpful. Yeah, it's can be gimmicky. as sometimes it has issues and I got to go fix it or go go retrieve it or you know got lost and couldn't get back to the charger whatever it may be >> that still only takes me like 5 minutes and second like I also attach it to what if you know your mother or grandmother you know needing her yard mode and she's have to hire the kid down the streets or you know maybe she's out there trying to mow it at 80 who knows that's not uncommon you know you could do get something like this and set it up for and it's 90% of the time it's great and the times it's Not. It's a quick fix. I mean, nine times out of 10, it's shut.
It's literally turn it off, turn it back on, and that's kind of the only problem.
Or, you know, you got to pick it up and go put it back on the charger. And grandma probably doesn't have a big yard, so it's going to be a relatively small mower. So, the whole thing kind of the the benefits can start to show up when you if you can get out get out of your head of, you know, it's a piece of technology, it's a robot, it's whatever.
And then the, you know, if you're then if you have the mindset of, you know, I do my own work, it's my yard, I mow it.
you know, remove that side. The the the fringe benefits that come along with it are are kind of hard to argue with, >> you know, and and it's not like it's not like lawnmowers [clears throat] don't like any lawn mower even even even, you know, I look I have I still have because it's perfectly fine. I'm not going to replace it until I need to. But like I my push mower is gas. Like I I have a gas push mower >> uh cuz again I it work like I'm not going to replace it until it is no longer working. But like, you know, obviously oil changes, blade sharpenings or whatever, but blade sharpenings are going to apply to any mower, right? And then and then um you know, even when you get into electric, you're still going to have to deal with like cleaning it, like keeping keeping, you know, debris out of it. Um >> it does you do have to kind of be like, okay, well, like if every lawn mower has maintenance, like does it matter like if if I'm removing the actual like does the Robo mower have like that much more maintenance compared to any other lawn mower? But then it just gets rid of the actual work element. Like there is you kind of have to think about it from that angle.
>> Yeah. I mean I mean going you know even if you just look at electric push mower to gas push mower the I I've over the last 10ish years. I've moved as quickly and as as far away as possible from small engines. I despise weed eaters, chainsaws, lawnmowers. just yes, >> the amount of years I think the lawn is my only >> my generator and my uh uh uh snowblower are are my other small engine things. So that's all I have.
Yeah.
>> And so and so getting away from those like it's the cuz you're going out there to do work.
You're going out there to do manual labor and you know in the summer you're mowing it's hot. You're going to go out there, bugs this in, and then you got to go and if if you're lucky and you're good at maintenance on your motor and engine and keeping it tuned up and keeping it clean and you removing the fuel in the winter and treating it and all that kind of stuff, you're probably fine. But when you go out there and it's hot and you want to be doing other things and you go out there and you fight this thing for 10 minutes, the last thing I want to do once I get it started is go work. And so being able to walk out and get my chainsaw in the dead of winter and pop the battery in it and go cut some firewood or you know go mow the yard and all I have to do is pull the battery off the charger, stick it in the mower and go mow. It's great. Like those things are super nice and the benefits to those and you know then you got you know just the general mains changing the oil and things like that.
Yeah, you're always going to have you have to, you know, clean the underside of the deck if you got, you know, build up under there and sharpen the blade, but you have two things to maintain rather than the additional sides of the motor and things like that, >> you know, and and the other benefits to those types of things is one, you don't you reduce the risk of, you know, you're not going to get burnt on the on the exhaust, right? uh you you know there's not you run the risk of you know if you don't keep the deck clean you know for like a push mower or something like that you end up or you know chainsaws you end up with excess oil or grass clippings things like that get hot and catch fire like there's little things like that that also come into it and then you have the noise aspect of it as well is you can I can be put mowing along >> stop go move whatever I need and I'm not and chainsaw I'm not going to listen to it run the whole time um I recently got a uh I actually showed up yesterday I got a robot or not robot riding zeroturn lawnmower from John Deere the Z >> 3 or Z263 RS or something. I can't remember exactly what it is, but uh it's really cool. And so I I'll go back to the the interesting about it, but I was at I was at an event uh a couple months ago in Atlanta for Greenworks. They had a big presentation for their new power all tool lineup that they're doing and launching with Walmart in partnership with them and they're showing off a bunch of other stuff, saws and you know riding mowers and all kinds of stuff. Like I didn't realize the breadth of products that Greenworks has now. It's insane. Like they have sideby sides and ATVs and things.
>> Wow.
>> One of the things they're talking about [laughter] Yeah. No, I didn't either. Uh but they're talking about there's you know the different landscapers and professionals there and one of them was saying that the benefit he is seeing by switching his landscaping fleet over to electric mowers both push and riding is that when something happens they're able to communicate with the other people that are mowing >> because it's not loud. And he said one guy was mowing and went underneath a tree and a a wasp nest fell down out of the tree as he went underneath it and it landed and they were able to yell at him while he was mowing. Oh my god.
>> Keep going rather and and he could hear them rather than having to like run out there waving their arms like there's some crazy emergency. He could just hear them and get out of the way. Uh so like the >> little benefits that maybe aren't considered all the time and how they can help out, you know, stuff like that.
>> Um but on that John Deere mower, the cool thing with it is is while John Deere doesn't have their own batteries like Greenworks does, you can get a Green Works mower and use that same battery in your chainsaw or whatever. Yeah.
>> So, John Deere has two electric riding mowers now. I believe one of them is a sealed unit, sealed battery all inside of it. Charge it and go. The one that I'm testing uses EGO, which is another popular uh brand that uses, you know, does mowers and, you know, weed eaters, things like that across, you know, out yard tools and things. So, they partnered with them and it runs off of six ego batteries. And so the cool thing is is so say you buy this mower and you can then buy tool only batteries or tool only units from Ego and then pull the battery out of your mower and stick it in your your weed trimmer and go trim weeds.
>> Like the flexibility and things like that are really cool and you can buy new batteries and you know have an extra set of batteries and put them in there. Now batteries are expensive but you could do that you know if you run a fleet of things but it the flexibility that the the battery powered units have and companies are realizing that batteries have become an ecosystem in their own right and so if you create a good battery that's reliable and holds charge and has the capacity to do multiple things just build the tools around it you know and then as as consumers you're you hope you pick the right ecosystem >> because once you're in it you're in it you know and like power tool owners will will relate to this really well. I was going to say it's the it's the DeWalt method or whatever like I like the amount of uh batteries around you know my parents house growing up like 100% and like to this day still and like even you know when I uh I got a I got a drill I got my own cordless drill for Christmas when I was in college or whatever and like >> that thing's DeWalt it's got two batteries and like I can put those batteries on other DeWalt things and so yeah >> that's tech t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t typically where I start to look when I'm shopping for something is I know I have those batteries and I it's actually almost surprising that it it that uh >> some of the other like maybe newer companies to to this or like companies that came in to be like we're going to be more tech focused rather than just being like you know making you know power like handheld power tools. Uh like they had to learn the same lesson about like oh battery ecosystems even though like again DeWalt definitely is familiar with lock battery lock in.
>> Yeah.
>> Um that's fascinating. Well, you you've you've convinced me that like the second there's a there's someone else on my block with a with a with a robo mower. I got to start looking at them at the very least cuz cuz I hadn't It's like I was like, man, you know, to that point. So, it takes me, you know, counting uh counting counting weed whacking and and uh any kind of cleanup after the fact. Um it it takes me about an hour.
It's about an hour to do my my yard.
It's not terrible. But the actual act of mowing it is usually like 40 45 minutes.
Um but but >> 45 minutes I could get back.
>> Well, sure. And the other half of it is, you know, you're probably, you know, say you cut your grass to 3 in or whatever.
So you're you're likely letting it mow.
You're letting it grow at least an inch each time. Just timing and things like that. You know, the average person isn't going to sit out there and mow their yard every other day because that's you know, unless you just love that thing.
That's >> once a week at best, honestly. And you know it it's it's we were talking about me going on I was out of town over the weekend and it's like I was going to mow last week cuz it was had been a little over a week but the the heat has been so intense that the there there's large parts of my yard that have had stopped growing and like essentially in hibernation and I was like >> man if I cut this like my my especially my front yard which bakes it has the sun directly on it in the morning it's going to die like it's going to it's going to be dead for like the next two months and Maybe that's okay, but like I have to consider that. And so I we got home and it's like, you know, my yard having not watered it at all this year is is greener than some of the other yards that were getting mowed on my street cuz like >> they all roasted and and I was like, I'm just going to let it go. And like it's not even that long. It's but it's certainly greener than some of the other aspects. So it's still due. It's been it's been two weeks now. It's due. But uh no, I totally get you.
>> Yeah. That's one of those things I I've come up against as well is like, you know, someone will mow a yard and it's, you know, it's it's rated at, you know, it's, let's say it's a smaller residential type mower. You know, it's rated at like a third of an acre. So, it's what it's rated at. And it's those they're not fast. They're not zipping around crazy speeds like that. And people like, "Yeah, that's going to take you like 4 hours to mow my yard." I'm like, "Well, yeah, probably. But at the same time, if you could do it in 45 minutes, that's fine. Are you in that much of a hurry to have your yard cut?
Is it 45 minutes of work you genuinely want to do? And second, unless you live in an area where you can't because, you know, maybe it's an HOA rule or something like that, >> right?
>> Most mowers can run at night and they're silent and some of them don't have headlights and they like moa a lot of the LAR based mowers don't have headlights on them. They're not bright.
They have just little marker lights and they'll mow at night and there's no you get them up in the morning, your yard's mowed and you're done. Like there. So there's there's Yes. They're there.
Nothing's perfect. And if you need it mowed in 30 minutes cuz you have people coming over. Yeah. You're going to go out and push them over the yard. Like that's just the way it is.
>> Yeah. I had not thought about like or even just like late e like really like wait, you know, 8:30, 9:00 at night or even something like that. I had I hadn't thought about an overnight. And you know, obviously >> there's there's an avoidance for the fire.
Yeah. Well, that's what exactly what I was going to say is that, you know, I've never seen the I've never I've never seen my neighbor's kid out past like, you know, 8 o'clock at the at the absolute latest probably like like they're they're not playing in the driveway after that. So, it's like, oh, I I could actually I could do that. Oh, something to something to consider. Uh, as long as long as because it gets it gets pretty dewy here, obviously, but it's >> as long as it's not too wet. You know, times like this, dead of July, like there's not [laughter] that much dew.
It's pretty dry.
>> Yeah. I mean, they catch catch it early evening rather than later in the evening. Yeah, we're I mean, it's it's been >> we've had a very wet spring and early summer. It's it's rained at least twice every week and so Oh, wow.
>> You know, and then now it's and then it gets hot and the humidity is insane. But yeah, in the morning like everything is soaking wet. There's so much dew out right now >> and you know, and mowing in the evening and mowing or mowing when it's wet is you don't want to do that anyway. So >> nice.
>> And most of them have and if you tried to send it out and the other thing is is so say you had it you wanted it to go early morning like just before sunrise or whatever >> if it's dewy they've got rain sensors on them and if you enable it if there's enough dew to trigger that rain sensor it just won't go in the first place.
>> One of these companies should hire you Chris because you are you're you're rapidly selling me. [laughter] you should be a salesman or a PR guy or something cuz you are convinced. They're like you're like let me tackle all of Will's potential qualms about about buying one of these. It's like damn he kind of did hit all of them. I mean it's crazy. I mean a lot I I you know you know this you've you've been in this world long enough that when you do enough positive things or you write positive about something a couple of times, >> you tend to get oh you're you're a shill. You're getting paid for everything and you know you just you're just saying this because they're paying you. I have not mowed my yard manually for two years. [laughter] I have. I save hours a week. Like, >> yeah.
>> Like, I'm I'm just trying to help you out. Like, I'm not saying they're perfect. Trust me, there are times that I want to throw the thing across the yard, but run it over with my actual tractor, >> brush hog the mower. I don't care. But in the end, like, they're genuinely are helpful in the right situations. As long as you have your expectations lined out, they're they're genuinely helpful.
>> It's awesome. All right. Well, we we will uh we'll leave it there for now, but there's a bunch of stuff we didn't get to. And so, we will have you back on, Chris, because uh you and I could talk for three more hours, I think, and probably not run out of stuff to talk about this podcast. Uh and and again, like I said, like we there was like 10 or 15 minutes that we were talking before I hit record that could have been this episode.
>> Is what it is.
>> Yeah, we'll get into the fall as we come out as we come out of mowing season.
We'll catch as we come out of mowing season, we'll catch up in the fall and then we can throw some football talk in there, too.
I I was going to say, yeah, I I um I I I would love to chat football. I truly I I had to take a step back. I was like I I feel I'm I'm in a bit of an abusive relationship with the Buffalo Bills at the moment. [laughter] Perhaps an emotional manipulation kind of thing like like the second like I I I wanted Brandon Bean gone. Brandon Bean is who stayed. Sean McDermad was gone.
I I have and and and it was not my coach. They did not pick the coach I wanted. There are a lot of elements I like, but those two question marks, Joe Brady and and and Brandon Bean, uh, I have questions. So, I have I have purposefully this summer tried to just establish a little bit of emotional distance between me and the Buffalo [laughter] Bills.
>> Let's just let some of the anger settle and we'll come back and see how things look in the fall.
>> It's it's new season, you know. It's fine. And we're we're almost it's crazy that it is almost uh football season, but I am I am I'm extremely excited because uh genuinely Manny and I were just talking about this about how like >> uh it's crazy because sometimes these games are the worst of the season, but how much we miss specifically Thursday night football because it was such a like it's such a good tradition to end the week of like >> we know what we're watching tonight there. There's a game on, tomorrow's Friday. like that's it's it's basically the weekend and and so I'm I'm sometimes the third game is good.
>> Um and I actually think you know for all all its qualms Amazon actually doesn't do like they do a pretty good job on their broadcast like >> they've gotten pretty good early on there was some of the you know the streaming issues got much better.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We were going to record this yesterday uh and so just just in honor of having the podcast you put on a Chief shirt initially uh [laughter] so so today we're going We're going we're going with K State today. Wildcats today.
>> I'll I'll I'll listen. You know, I I the the Kansas City Chiefs shirt is on in uh in spirit if nothing else. I know this.
[laughter] >> Uh Chris, where can where can people find you?
>> Yeah. Uh I mean my YouTube channel, Gadgets and Gravel, I'm on there. I do have, you know, I've got Tik Tok and socials, but you know, I'm terrible at posting things there. So, uh best place is going to be jump on there. I'm I'm I'm available. I'm because of, you know, the established addiction to my phone.
I'm I'm there in the comments. If you message me, I'm I'm 99% of the time I'm going to reply back. So, that's where I'm at.
>> That's awesome. Gadgets Gravel. Uh Chris, thank you so much, man. And that'll do it again for this week's sideloadad. Thank you again to Chris for joining me. We will have to have him back on soon to actually talk about more gadgets than just robo lawnmowers. Um I I I think we're just going to have to do a winter themed one in a few months because I I do want to see if Chris is going to bundle up to record outside for a third time. The best place to reach me is [email protected]. [music] Feedback is always welcome as our guest suggestions. As always, you can find, rate, and review us on the podcast platform of your choice, and share the show with a friend if you enjoyed it.
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