Why did Chris Watts DEFEND his mistress?

Added: 2026-05-28

[00:00:00]I don't want to get her involved in this. I don't want to ruin her life.

[00:00:03]Like it's some something like this. I don't want her involved in this.

[00:00:07]>> You have two types of deterioration. You have sudden and you have gradual. Sudden would be an example of infidelity.

[00:00:16]When somebody is not faithful to their partner, the partners realize that the relationship cannot be sustained.

[00:00:23]Gradual would be if you met somebody at work or a new friendship has occurred and you as it goes on you see that okay maybe this relationship has more potential than the relationship I have with my partner.

[00:00:36]>> I don't want to get her involved in this. I don't want to ruin her life.

[00:00:39]Like it's some something like this. I don't want her involved in this. Okay.

[00:00:43]>> Hey guys, welcome back to Rabbit Hole Rocks. Today we're going to continue watching Chris Watts's interrogation with FBI agent Graham Coder.

[00:01:02]We'll have everyone else. Um, I'm just going to keep this room for a little bit longer. So, just shuffle people through the audience.

[00:01:14]>> Look at Chris's face. By the way, it really does help to have a therapy kitten on your lap when you're watching monsters like Chris Watts. Gia is here and she might give her input throughout this video.

[00:01:28]>> Say hi, Gia.

[00:01:30]Say hello.

[00:01:32]>> Yeah. Notice how he's looking at the photos of Bella and Cece, his daughters.

[00:01:42]Got those shoes even though they were winter shoes. They were what? Winter shoes.

[00:02:01]Those are her boots, aren't they? Is going to sell them off to uh like that Facebook marketplace.

[00:02:10]on the on the window seal there. And when we got back from North Carolina, she saw him sitting over there and then she proceeded to take them back and wear them every day since they got it was 100° outside. Her wife, she loved those shoes.

[00:02:29]She always loves those shoes.

[00:02:32]Bella, >> what the what?

[00:02:36]Oh my god, she always loved those shoes. He's talking about Bella in past tense. That was one of the biggest giveaways here is that Chris Watts talked about his family in past tense.

[00:02:51]He's talking about Bella like she's already gone. That's because she already was and he knew it. He knew that he had already killed her and stuffed her in an oil battery. But this man is so ridiculous, right? Chris Watts is so stupid and he lacks any type of human emotion that he doesn't really know how to fake it. So instead, he goes into a ramble. He starts looking at the photos and starts talking about their clothing.

[00:03:19]Those were Bella's favorite shoes. But notice that he doesn't say anything about the actual child. He doesn't say anything about missing them or loving them or hoping that they're okay or wanting them back other than his other than his ridiculous please. I just want them back. Please anybody?

[00:03:39]This has got to stop.

[00:03:42]Please bring them back.

[00:03:46]The house is just not the same without anybody here.

[00:03:51]Please, I just want them back. Other than those ridiculous pleas of wanting them back, he doesn't show any actual care for his children. He's just looking at the photos. He knows it's awkward.

[00:04:04]And so, because he wants to break up the silence, he's just talking about clothing. But he's so stupid that he does so in the past tense. Let's continue.

[00:04:16]>> She always wore some flip-flops. She always like she love that dress. She loves those flip flops.

[00:04:23]CeCe loves the dress.

[00:04:26]It's like the buttons on the back.

[00:04:30]Yes, CeCe.

[00:04:31]>> He is so terrible at faking caring for his children. Oh my goodness. He's really trying to He is really, really trying his best to convince Coder that he is a grieving father right now. Oh my god, where are my children? She loved those flip flops. She loved those shoes.

[00:04:52]This was her favorite color.

[00:04:55]They loved chicken nuggets. They hated broccoli, but I still fed it to them.

[00:05:01]They loved to drink water. Water is so nutritious for you. Did you know that, Graham? Everything that he's mentioning about his girls is so superficial, very surface level. None of it has any depth.

[00:05:13]He has no clear emotion towards his children. He is just talking. Let's continue. He's short for something.

[00:05:23]Celest she's rampage. She's always the one that's go. She's always the one that's just like she's she's either go or sleep. She's always the one growling.

[00:05:42]She's she's always been she's a tiger.

[00:05:46]Bella, she's the calm, the mothering one.

[00:05:49]Notice all the words that he uses to describe Cece. Very rehearsed. Same words that he used while he was talking to the news crews. Same words he used while he was talking to Shannan before he killed her. He thought about all the things that he had to say to the police later on if they investigated his wife's disappearance. All he's doing is just using a bunch of adjectives to describe his children. She was rampage. She was fast. She had two speeds. Go or stop. If she wasn't going, she was sleeping. If she wasn't sleeping, she was going.

[00:06:22]Rampage. She was a tiger. And now he's getting into Bella, the child that was more like him. Very introverted, very quiet, very caring, and motherly is how he's describing her. Yet, he still suffocated her and stuffed her into an oil tank 8 in in diameter. He had to stuff her in there, probably using his entire weight. probably pushed her down with his boot. But he's about to talk about his daughter. Let's listen to what the psychopath has to say about Bella.

[00:06:54]The one that's always You okay? You okay? Fine. Okay.

[00:07:00]She's just She's just this whis girl.

[00:07:02]She's the one that favors me more. And she's always the one growling. She's she's always been she's a tiger.

[00:07:11]Bella, she's the calm, the mothering one. She's the one that's always You okay? You okay? Fine. Okay.

[00:07:20]She's just She's just the sweetest little girl. She's the one that favors me more and Celeste was the one that favors S more.

[00:07:28]And the way I look at it, you see some babies.

[00:07:31]>> Is the way I look at it, says Chris Watts. Yeah, Bella favored him more. And as we know, Bella even sang a song to him, calling him her hero. Yet this disgusting pos of a monster still snuffed the life out of the child that favored him more. The purest form of love that he can get was from his children. And he took that for granted.

[00:07:55]For what? For a mistress. For a woman that he had met six weeks prior. For a woman in a brown bikini.

[00:08:05]This is so ridiculous. He is such an He is an abomination. Let's continue.

[00:08:12]pictures of me and it's like the other way around. So when I say fig, you mean look like?

[00:08:18]>> Yes. Oh, okay.

[00:08:21]Daddy's girl.

[00:08:23]>> That one is >> Yeah, that kind of works, isn't it?

[00:08:26]Because the first one I wasn't really good at it yet. Second one, I knew what I was doing and she bonded with me right from the start. Yeah.

[00:08:40]He talks about how Bella bonded with him right from the start and then he took her life for another woman. This is what makes this case so absolutely disgusting and this man such an such a disgusting monster is that he did all of this for a woman.

[00:09:07]I remember when they wore that dress.

[00:09:08]She just wore that espress not too long ago.

[00:09:14]But the back of it get her pajamas on. She has no daddy button. I got button button.

[00:09:21]I'm fell in love with those little spaghetti strap dresses. She likes long dresses.

[00:09:29]She was a girly girl always.

[00:09:34]Did Chris Watts just really refer to Bella as she was a girly girl always?

[00:09:41]He's so stupid. This is such God, he is so dumb. He is very clearly giving himself away. Even if he didn't confess, it was obvious that if this went to trial, no jury was going to see this man as an innocent man whatsoever. Very clearly, he's displaying signs of psychopathy. He doesn't even care. Zero emotion, very monotone. He just rambles about things that don't even matter.

[00:10:11]Graham Coder is just watching him. He's like, "Mhm, yeah, keep talking, guy."

[00:10:16]Not once has Chris asked, "Where is my family? Have you found them yet?" No, he's just talking about how they were so sweet. Oh, they were so gentle. Oh, the these were their favorite shoes and their favorite clothing. Let's continue.

[00:10:35]She just is right. She wants I always like tried to put her in a Supergirl t-shirt and she loved it every time.

[00:10:45]She always be smiling though.

[00:10:48]You have to like really kind of want some gum.

[00:10:54]She said you want some gum. She wasn't looking in this picture.

[00:10:58]I think she's always just not on camera.

[00:11:10]I got to find him, right?

[00:11:13]I need your help.

[00:11:16]>> I got to find him, right?

[00:11:19]That was the most effort that he could muster. That's the most energy that he could find to try and make it seem like he is hurting because his family is gone.

[00:11:30]You're going to find them, right? That was it. That was it. That's all we got from him. And then he makes that stupid face that he always does. And then he looks back at the photo. God, terrible acting. These are This is just very, very bad acting. Let's continue.

[00:11:58]I got to find him. I got to find this. The picture somebody sent me or was the side by side of Bell and Shen.

[00:12:10]There was a post to like one of these companies.

[00:12:13]>> Okay.

[00:12:18]And then there's a lot of the picture.

[00:12:23]He put the picture down as soon as he asked Graham if they were going to find his kids. And Graham told him, "Yeah, but we need your help." That's when Chris is like, "Oh.

[00:12:46]Oops. Who are we looking for again? He's trying everything to get away from this situation. He keeps looking down. He doesn't know what to do.

[00:12:55]>> This is the picture they use of girls.

[00:12:58]All right.

[00:13:02]Are you thinking about anything like that?

[00:13:05]How much I want to see these these two girls and my wife again? someone go home.

[00:13:14]>> These two girls, he says, "I want to see these two girls and my wife. These two girls." He's distancing himself from his own children. He can't even call them my babies, my daughters. I want to see my kids. I want to see my children. I want to see Bella and Cece. No, he says these kids.

[00:13:33]Those kids. So disgusting. Let's continue.

[00:13:44]Um, I mentioned that um, when when children go missing in the FBI, it's it's a lot like you see in the movies. We like to get every single one of our resentment sources. We like to call every agent and wake them up out of bed, call them back from vacation. We just really like to put a full force in.

[00:14:08]Is that something that you're comfortable supporting?

[00:14:10]>> Okay, that means that I want to have Look how nervous he got when Graham Coder explained to him.

[00:14:20]Yeah, when children go missing, the FBI gets everybody involved. Even everyone that has been on vacation, we call them in. Everyone. Everyone. All hands on deck, Chris. And then he gets uncomfortable. He's like, "Oh, yeah." And when Graham Coder asked him, "Yeah, are you willing to support that?

[00:14:40]Are you willing to support everyone in the FBI looking for your family?" He's like, "Mhm."

[00:14:46]I'm surprised the man hasn't said, "It's up to you." Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm so surprised that Chris hasn't said I don't know. It really It's really up to you.

[00:14:56]Do you have the resources? Do you have the manpower? It really all depends on you. It's up to you if you want to do it. I'm here to support whatever you need from me. again his family. This is his family that's missing, not Graham Coders. Graham Coder, this is his job.

[00:15:11]He is clocked in for the day. He's completing his duties. He's like, "Hey, I'm an FBI agent. My job is to look for your missing family. Are you willing to support our effort to find your family?"

[00:15:24]Chris is like, "Yeah, it really is up to you." As if this is a favor that Graham Coder is doing for him. As if this is his gardener, right? Or landscaping. Hey sir, do you want me to get rid of these weeds here in the corner? It's okay. You don't have to pay me. I can do it for you for free. And Chris is like, it's really up to you. Yeah, it's up to you.

[00:15:43]I mean, if you want to if it's no issue, if you don't mind, yeah, go ahead and get rid of my little three weeds. No problem. What the God? What an absolute idiot.

[00:15:55]>> As many eyes, as many hands, as many investigators, as many evidence people as we can possibly get looking at your house. Can we get it right this minute if you want to? I got to get out of the way if you want.

[00:16:08]>> And he really said, "If you want to, I can get out of your way if you want. Do you want me to leave? I can go to Aspen.

[00:16:15]It's okay. I already went on Groupon and checked." Yeah, I have a trip for Aspen.

[00:16:18]Do you want me to just go? I'll just get away. I'll just move out of your way. I don't want to be a burden to you. I mean, you don't need me, right? I've already given you all the information that I have. Everyone I know, no one knows where she is. It's probably someone that I don't know. Chris Watts has not been helpful at all at all during this entire investigation of his missing family.

[00:16:39]>> That's usually best >> for you, for everyone. Okay.

[00:16:43]>> You want me to go stay at my friend's house then? Um, is that an option?

[00:16:46]>> Yeah, I'm not sure if I still outside.

[00:16:50]>> Oh, I forgot to ask you about your phone.

[00:16:53]>> Yeah, I don't have much to take anyways.

[00:16:55]>> Okay, but um concrete block. So, what I might do then is in I don't know 5 10 minutes I might just step out for a very quick break and just say guys let's go in that house right now. Um 2385.

[00:17:10]>> You did tell me that and I did write it.

[00:17:14]>> The garage is 2385.

[00:17:16]>> The front door.

[00:17:16]>> The front door. 2385. And that latch or whatever is not going to get in our way.

[00:17:20]>> It should be unlatched.

[00:17:21]>> Okay, good. All right. Just call me.

[00:17:24]Then when they go in there, I want them to run a black light over everything. I want them to have to collect DNA. I want them to look for hair strands and DNA samples. I want them to look at your stuff and your wife's stuff and your children's stuff and the garage stuff and the car stuff. All of it. Is that all right? Yeah. Okay. Do you have any problems with that?

[00:17:48]>> Mhm. That's fine.

[00:17:51]Notice that Graham Coder told him, "Yeah, we're going to get the canine unit, the feline unit, all the types of units. Any kind of unit of animal that can sniff something out, they're going to be there. We're going to take a black light and we're going to run it through the entire house. We're going to be collecting DNA, any type of samples.

[00:18:08]We're going to be going through your stuff, your wife's stuff, your children's stuff, everything. And look at Chris."

[00:18:18]Yeah.

[00:18:20]Sure. Well, Chris already did what he needed to do. He already got rid of the evidence. Whatever evidence he needed to hide, it's already well hidden. And at that point, the K9 units do show up, but they don't really find anything. So, I think that's why Chris is making the face that he's making.

[00:18:39]And I think here, too, the thing with Chris is that he thinks that if he is just very relaxed and chill and just tells the police, "Yeah, go ahead. Go check my house." that he is letting them know that he has nothing to hide. But this does the complete opposite. What this shows is not that he is trying to find his family. It shows the opposite.

[00:18:58]It shows that he is desperate to prove his innocence, which is the complete opposite of someone whose family is truly missing. But again, he's so stupid that he doesn't even know that. He doesn't know that he should be acting like a worried person and not as someone who is chill, relaxed. Oh, I don't care if you go through my house. I have nothing to hide. That type of behavior tells us that he has a lot to hide.

[00:19:24]Let's continue.

[00:19:26]>> Okay. Um, so then I want them to do that sooner than later. I might step out here in a minute and just tell them the code and just let them know, guys, let's find how we can get these girls. Okay. Um, can we keep talking about some complicated danger? Look at the face that he makes.

[00:19:51]>> God, this guy is such a [ __ ] >> Some things are going to make you uncomfortable.

[00:19:56]>> Okay. Um, and I think you know why I have to ask them. Okay. And >> it's a hard job.

[00:20:03]>> It's a hard job. It is a hard job. And I'm going to ask you one thing and you're going to give me an answer. And I'm going to ask it just a slight bit different and you're going to give me an answer. And in about 10 iterations of this, you might get annoyed, but I do have to make sure that we understand each other. Okay. Is that all right?

[00:20:19]>> Yeah.

[00:20:20]>> Okay.

[00:20:21]Um, so >> I love that Graham is telling him that he's going to keep asking him the same question. Very just different iterations. And I think it's because he's trying to find any kind of discrepancy in Chris's stories. Notice that Chris is digging to his story that he doesn't know. It was probably someone that he doesn't know and he just wants his family back. And so what Graham Coder is going to do now is basically cross-examine him almost like you would at trial. Maybe he gets nervous and unknowingly tells the truth in there.

[00:20:56]And as we see Chris is already preparing his tiny little P-sized brain for it. He was really horrible at preparing for the front porch interviews. And so here you can already tell his little brain is already spinning in his in his skull.

[00:21:11]You can tell, look at the friction. It's happening as we speak. Yeah, the room is getting warm. And that's because Chris is already starting to think. He's using his singular brain cell to think. And because it's working overdrive, we're starting to feel the heat in the room.

[00:21:28]Let's go ahead and listen to what he says. We have your daughters who are on mission. We have your wife who's missing. Okay. And that's the most important thing right now. Okay. Um do you agree with that?

[00:21:42]>> Yes. Okay. So, you've done very good in talking to me about this really hard conversation you guys had. Okay. Very good. That's sometimes hard. And I understand why sometimes someone in your position says uh doesn't want to tell me about that cuz please go help me find my kids and you don't need to know about my my marriage argument. Okay. So I got to say you've done very good at that. Um and I need you to keep doing it. So I need to ask you about >> I do love that Graham Coder keeps complimenting him telling him, "Oh, you're doing such a great job. I'm so glad that you're telling me about your marital discord with your wife." And he's getting hyped. Right. This is this is one of the things that Chris Watts enjoys. He likes to hear from other people that he's a good man, that he's a good husband, that he's fit, that he has his macros dialed in. He loves hearing compliments. And so they know this, right? Graham Coder knows this. He is able to read Chris like a book. He's so predictable. And so he knows that all he has to do is compliment him a little here and there and maybe he can let his guard down. And it works. Chris is such a simple man that all of this works.

[00:22:56]It's a good thing that he's stupid.

[00:22:57]Very, very good thing. Let's continue.

[00:23:00]>> Um, your marriage and uh, infidelity.

[00:23:04]>> Okay. Okay. Tell me about it.

[00:23:06]>> I have never cheated all my life.

[00:23:08]>> Okay.

[00:23:08]>> And I fully suspect she has never done that to me.

[00:23:12]>> Oh, okay. Like, she's always been a trustworthy person. I've always been a trustworthy person. I totally expect if we >> And here we go. Graham Coder is going to ask Chris about infidelity and he's already lying. The thing with Chris is that he is so dumb.

[00:23:28]Did he not know that the police were going to get his phone? They're going to go through all of his records. We know that Nicole Kessinger told him to delete everything, but even then, hello. The police are still going to find out, right, Gia? So then we already have Chris lying. Lying. And again, it's so obvious because hello, of course, they're going to check your phone, guy.

[00:23:51]Yeah, Nicole Cassinger told him to delete everything, but not everything was fully deleted, and it's very easy to connect the dots. So, why did he lie about this? It's so obvious that it was going to be found out.

[00:24:06]>> So, I need to ask you about um your marriage and uh infidelity.

[00:24:12]Okay. Tell me about it. that I have never cheated on my wife. Okay.

[00:24:16]>> And I fully suspect she has never done that to me.

[00:24:20]>> Oh, okay.

[00:24:21]>> Like she's always been a trustworthy person. I've always been a trustworthy person. I fully expect if we ever thought about straying another way that we would tell each other before it happened.

[00:24:36]>> The irony of everything he's saying, right? Because everything that he said that he would do if the marriage was starting to stray, he did the complete opposite. He didn't do anything that he said he was going to do. He didn't do anything that he said he was going to do. Even during his speech, during his communication speech class, that ridiculous presentation that he gave about relationship advice and relationship deterioration and repair. He talks about talking to your partner before cheating.

[00:25:10]>> You have two types of deterioration. You have sudden and you have gradual. Sudden would be an example of infidelity.

[00:25:18]When somebody is not faithful to their partner, the partners realize that the relationship cannot be sustained.

[00:25:26]Gradual would be if you met somebody at work or a new friendship has occurred and you as it goes on, you see that okay, maybe this relationship has more potential than the relationship I have with my partner. And that will gradually push the old relationship out and push the new relationship in.

[00:25:48]reasons relationships start to fall apart.

[00:25:51]Sometimes you no longer find your partner attractive physically or in their personality. When you're in a relationship, you have to show desire, lust towards your partner.

[00:26:02]Sometimes when you get married, that the lust and the desire kind of falls by the wayside a little bit. But if you want your relationship to keep going, I would suggest maybe go to a place where you first met or go to some go bungee jumping. go somewhere that will bring the excitement back.

[00:26:21]>> Except he didn't do any of those things because Chris Watts is a coward. This man is a huge coward. He was never going to tell his partner that he was thinking about leaving them. That is why he killed his family because he didn't have the courage to just walk out, to just divorce them. He kept hearing his mistress in his ear telling him, "Get rid of your family, Chris. Get rid of your family, Chris." And he gave in. He decided, "Yeah, I think the best course of action is going to be to get rid of them." And that's exactly what the man did. He got rid of his family because he thought it was going to be easier to just get rid of them, hide them, make it seem like they ran off and left him than to take responsibility, be the bad guy.

[00:27:12]He was cheating on his wife while she was pregnant. Rather than do that, he decided to kill his family. Rather than confronting Shannan and her family and his family and everyone at work, all of his friends, rather than do that, he thought, "Maybe I can just kill them.

[00:27:30]Maybe I can hide their bodies. No one will ever find them." That was a lot easier for him to do, apparently. And very clearly, he didn't even think about the fact that the police are going to go through his phone and find out that he did, in fact, have a mistress on the side. He was the one who was cheating.

[00:27:46]He had every motive to murder his family because he was already cheating. But anyway, let's continue.

[00:27:54]>> I think that sounds ridiculous, >> okay?

[00:27:57]>> Cuz in the history of the earth, nobody ever does that.

[00:28:00]>> Okay. I just I just That's what I would like to think.

[00:28:03]>> Okay. I mean I mean I know mistakes happen like you know >> but that's what I in my head that's what I would think would h I would hope would happen >> but now even though I think that sounds ridiculous if I was in your shoes I'd say the exact same thing and I believe that >> I love that Graham Coder calls him out and says I think that's ridiculous because it is it is it's absolutely ridiculous and notice that Chris Watts says well you know mistakes happen but I would like to believe that in my head in my empty head. I like to believe that.

[00:28:36]>> I think this is him saying that he wishes he had the courage to be able to do this, but he didn't. He doesn't. And so what I think he's saying here is I would hope that I would have courage to tell my family that I don't want to be with them anymore.

[00:28:50]But mistakes happen. I ended up not telling my family that I wanted to leave them. I ended up killing them. You know, mistakes happen. Let's continue.

[00:28:58]>> Okay. But I kind of don't. And you can imagine in my job I meet all kinds of people >> and you can imagine that there are people who have Saturdays with their girlfriend and Sundays with their wives, >> right? And they consider themselves to be very virtuous people. Okay? So with that in mind, I don't care if there's been anything in your relationship. I just don't.

[00:29:21]>> And I'm not going to tell the news and I'm not going to tell anyone, but I do need to know. So, is there anyone that you think that maybe your wife going to close with?

[00:29:34]If she did, it was very like secret then if that was the case cuz I >> I had no inkling at all.

[00:29:41]>> No, it it wasn't even a suspicion.

[00:29:43]>> Okay. Not one guy or girl.

[00:29:47]>> If that was the case, I mean, I didn't have much suspicion about it. Like, it if it happened, it wasn't even like I wasn't aware. Nothing.

[00:29:57]>> There was no like, you know, texting with the phone like back or like, you know, I walk in, swipe type thing. I I didn't have any of that.

[00:30:07]>> Okay. No perfume when she's going out with the girls.

[00:30:10]>> I love that Chris Watts is explaining all of the things that he would do. All of it is projection. He's explaining that no, he never even suspected that Shannan would cheat on him because she didn't display any signs of cheating when he walked in the room. It's not like Shannan would just take the phone and turn it.

[00:30:31]Yeah. That's because it was him doing that. He knows that he's the one that would sneak away into the basement to talk to Nicole Cassinger. He's the one that would sneak away and hide photos of Nicole Cassinger into his secret calculator app. All of the things that he's saying are things that he would do.

[00:30:48]Those are the things that he was doing around Shannan. But notice that Graham Coder also talked about men who spend time with their wives during the week but spend their weekends with their mistresses. This is exactly what Chris Watts did. He ended up spending the entire month of July with his mistress while Shannan and the kids were in North Carolina. And you can tell by his body language that he is guilty of it. He can't even hide it. Not even close. But as terrible as he is at hiding that, he is still very, very desperately, as we can see, he is still trying to make it seem like Shannan was the one who probably was cheating on him, found another man, and left. That is why Chris is explaining it the way that he's explaining it. He's like, "Well, if she did cheat on me, I didn't even know. Honestly, I didn't even know.

[00:31:44]I didn't even suspect it." That's how good she was at hiding it apparently cuz I didn't know. And that is plan A in my opinion. I think that plan A for Chris was to make it seem like Shannan left with the girls. And I think that he is going along with it because he's getting validation from Graham Coder. This is something that Chris loves. He loves getting validation from other people. He got it from his parents. He got it from his mom, from his sister, and from his dad. And so when Chris feels that he's getting validation, he feels safer going with that story, with that narrative.

[00:32:20]And so that's what he's doing here. But notice that he's not pushing it too much, right? He wants to kind of allude to it, but not push it too much to where he starts to sound suspicious. Except he was already suspicious from the get-go.

[00:32:35]And so nothing else he does here is going to make him look any less guilty.

[00:32:40]Let's continue.

[00:32:43]She always smelled. She always sprayed something on us.

[00:32:46]>> Yeah, I know. It wasn't It wasn't like, you know, like that one in a million perfume or something like that, you know.

[00:32:51]>> No late nights that surprised you.

[00:32:53]>> Okay. No, talk about you. Okay. Um on your end, I got to ask. What's your name?

[00:33:05]Have another one. You sure?

[00:33:07]>> I'm sure. Okay.

[00:33:09]>> Would you tell me if you didn't?

[00:33:10]>> Yes. Okay.

[00:33:13]Um, so let me >> I'll have another one.

[00:33:19]>> Would you tell me if you do?

[00:33:20]>> Yes. Except he didn't. He only told them during the polygraph examination. He held on to it. He held on to that little bit of information so that when he failed the polygraph, he can say, "Oh, I failed it because I lied to you about having a mistress. That's why I failed the entire polygraph." including the questions about do I know what happened to my family?

[00:33:44]>> I actually honor her and I feel horrible for it. Like she was pregnant and it was I don't want I didn't hurt her. I cheated on her. I hurt her emotionally. I cheated on her.

[00:34:02]And I feel absolutely horrible about this, but that's what I've been holding. I I when I I didn't go to the Rocky game. I was with her. Okay. I went to dinner with her. Okay, keep going.

[00:34:23]That 5 weeks I was alone, I was with her most of the time. Okay, you're doing a good job. This is the Chris that I knew would come out today. This is the Chris who tells the truth because you're a truth teller.

[00:34:39]When I tell you I felt a lot of love, I felt a little better. Absolutely. Okay.

[00:34:43]I mean, that's God loves truth. Okay.

[00:34:47]Who is her?

[00:34:50]So, I I don't want to get her involved in this. I don't want to ruin her life.

[00:34:53]Like, it's some something like this. I don't want her involved in this. I don't want to get her involved in this. I don't want to ruin her life. Like, it's some something like this. I don't want her involved in this.

[00:35:01]>> Okay. So, can we talk about that a little bit?

[00:35:04]>> Yes.

[00:35:06]>> I knew that you would say you didn't want to get her involved.

[00:35:11]>> Cuz I cuz you like she's a wonderful person. Like I >> mean, she knew I was married. Yes. And I told her we're going through issues.

[00:35:18]Yes.

[00:35:21]>> And I told her that, you know, we were going to get, you know, at the end like you're going to get separated like once I figured out what that was. I didn't know what that was going to be. I know.

[00:35:29]>> I had no idea. I I like, you know, I saw her, took my breath away, and >> he thought that by lying about his mistress, he would be able to get away with lying about everything else. Or maybe he thought he was never going to get caught. Either way, stupid decision.

[00:35:46]Let's continue.

[00:35:47]>> Yeah. Highly trained investigator over here, right? I see pictures of you from a few years ago, >> and I see you standing before me now.

[00:35:56]Okay. Yeah, he's gotten pretty fit.

[00:35:59]Okay, you can imagine when guys start cheating or want to cheat, that's what happens.

[00:36:03]>> Yes. Tell me about it. I did not cheat on my life.

[00:36:07]>> Okay. Now, Thrive helped me. I went from 245 lbs to >> You were 245.

[00:36:12]>> 245 lb.

[00:36:14]>> Great, man.

[00:36:14]>> Thank you. And I'm 185 180 right now.

[00:36:18]>> Mhm. And I've been eating cleaner.

[00:36:20]>> I did not cheat on my wife. I've been getting healthy. I'm very fit. And then Graham Coder tells him, "Yeah, you're very, very fit. You're very muscular.

[00:36:28]Look at those biceps." And he goes, "Yeah, thank you." He's getting into it.

[00:36:33]He can't help but talk about himself and his weight loss journey, his fitness journey. He doesn't talk about how much he loves Shannan or how much he respects his wife. No, he's talking about how no, he would never cheat on her because she has helped him lose weight with Thrive.

[00:36:48]Uh, no, I need my wife because I really like those patches that I get for free.

[00:36:52]You know, she works selling patches, and I really need her to keep getting those patches for free. Everything with Chris wants, every relationship with him is transactional. He only wants relationships if they benefit him one way or another. Notice the way he talks about Shannan. It's transactional. He only cared about her because apparently she helped him lose a little bit of weight. Is this why Nicole Cassinger thinks that she was next? because she helped him get his macros dialed in.

[00:37:23]That relationship was transactional as well. All of it was transactional. The only reason that he was with Nicole Kessinger was because she took him camping. Oh, she took him camping. She helped him with his macros. She helped him with his fitness app. Everything was transactional. And here Chris is explaining the exact same thing. He's explaining his transactional marriage with Shannan. just trying to the last the last last little bit thrive has helped me a lot but to maintain it and try to eat cleaner has really helped me as well.

[00:37:56]>> Okay.

[00:38:00]And I've got to imagine that maybe there was a girl that inspired it.

[00:38:03]>> No. No. No. Okay.

[00:38:07]Why are you falling out of love over the last five last five weeks? like being by myself and being able to be myself again. I couldn't be myself on internet anymore. Why not?

[00:38:20]>> It was like I was walking just like if like you know like walk on eggshells type thing. It's kind of like you don't you feel like you're always doing something that's wrong. It's like you feel like you're never like doesn't make that make sense at all. The timing doesn't make sense to me. Okay.

[00:38:38]But like it's like like if you can't be yourself around your wife, who can you be yourself around?

[00:38:44]>> Why couldn't you be yourself around your wife?

[00:38:46]>> I just felt like I'd always have to change who I was because I I was always about I mean I was doing the laundry. I I do everything like I do everything that I could for her. Everything.

[00:38:57]>> And then like the last five weeks I just like I was just you know just being myself, just doing me. And I just thought to myself like one of my buddies Mark, he lives out in San Diego was like one big test that he learned like he he was divorced at one point and he was like, "So if you could picture yourself like if you could picture your wife and she was with someone else, would you get jealous?" I was like, "At this point, I have to say no." And he was like, >> "Yeah, I mean at that point he said no because he was already in love with Nicole Cassinger." Notice that Graham Coder tells him the timeline doesn't make sense and Chris says okay because that's all he can say. He knows that the timeline is very off. He's talking about how he fell out of love in five weeks.

[00:39:44]The five weeks that Shannan was back in North Carolina. The five weeks that he was allowed to be with Nicole Kessinger and therefore the relationship flourished. How could it not? They spent every waking hour together for an entire month. So, of course, he was already falling out of love. And that is what Graham Coder is talking about. The timeline doesn't make any sense. How is it that you fell out of love in just five weeks and he brings it up and Chris is like, "Okay, you know, like when you're walking on eggshells, something like that. You know what eggshells are?

[00:40:17]Some type of thing that comes out of a chicken's butt." And Graham Coder is asking all of the relevant questions.

[00:40:23]Why? Why is it that you fell out of love? Why did you feel that way? Oh, so strange. Because it is strange. It's very strange that his family went missing when he felt he no longer had a connection with them. But Chris Watts is still trying. He is trying his best.

[00:40:39]Look at him. The man is struggling, but he's still trekking. He's still pushing through. He's like, "I got this, brain.

[00:40:49]Please don't fail me now." Oh, well, you know, like when you have eggshells and you're walking on them and you have a lot of weight on those shells, they break. That's how I feel. But anyway, we're going to stop it here for now.

[00:41:01]Next time, we're going to get into the rest of it. Chris explaining how he fell out of love with Shannan. And no, I don't have a mistress. And we're just going to see him struggle and stumble through the entire interview. If this is your first time on my channel and you like this video, please go ahead and subscribe. Thank you all for watching.

[00:41:20]Take care and I will see you next time.