@sonacoza What Happens If ANC, EFF and MK Join Forces in 2026?

[00:00:00]But what about a coalition between ANC, EFF, and MK?

[00:00:05]>> I always say that Helenzilla and the DA when they campaigned against this doomsday coalition, John Steen's favorite thing that we had to avoid at all costs. But to me, I think the only people that would have hated that more than the DA would have been the ANC.

[00:00:21]Could you imagine being in coalition with Jacob Zuma or with Julius MMA?

[00:00:26]Imagine waking up and going to work in in the morning knowing that these are the people that you [music] have to deal with. They had to deal with them at one point and they couldn't. So, they kicked each other out of the party. Yeah, it could happen, but every time they get together, they are united. And to be fair, we've had ANC and EFF in coalition in all of the metros in Keng. And the one thing that has united them, they fought like cat and dog. The only thing that they haven't fought [music] about is stealing. They've been united in their theft. They have shared the spoils equally.

[00:00:57]>> So it's a really lack of summer day in Jo. I thought I'd take some time off and relax at the dam.

[00:01:04]>> Not >> the next local [music] government elections which were last held.

[00:01:12][laughter] Hello ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Truth Report. My name is Joe Emlio and today in studio I have a very special guest, ladies and gentlemen. He's a man that's usually in my position where I'm sitting and conducting the interviews.

[00:01:31]But today we've switched the tables and I'm interviewing him and he's got a very successful podcast which you guys must check out. I'm sure a lot of you know about it, the State of the Nation podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mike Sham to the show.

[00:01:45]>> Hi Joe.

[00:01:46]>> How are you?

[00:01:46]>> It's quite odd to be on the side of the table. Oh, guns.

[00:01:49]>> Do you want to be in like control? Are you like itching to like >> I have to hold a white knuckle time.

[00:01:56]>> I really want to chat to you about where you think South Africa is going uh not just in the current multi municipal elections but also in the future 2029 elections and beyond. So let's start with what's happening now >> being the year in which the local government elections must be held. They should now be held on a Wednesday which is in the middle of the week on a date which I now determine as the 4th of November 2026.

[00:02:32]>> President Sir Ron Posa just announced November municipal elections. Just focusing on the area because I'm sure that's where what you know most of how do you think things are going to go? DA trying very hard to win some mayoral positions. Helen gunning for Joberg.

[00:02:50]Brink gunning for Tou. Do you think if the DA gets a stronghold here in the Kang, it's going to make a massive difference? I'm on record and I'll say it again that I think that these local government elections are going to be absolutely possibly the most important election even more important that could turn out to be even more important than the 2024 national elections because we could see some real change in the place that people feel it the most and that is that uh you know there's nowhere to hide in local government elections. You're either in power, you're out of power.

[00:03:24]You're running stuff close to where people live.

[00:03:31]>> The metros are in play. They've been in play for 10 years. The ANC has used every trick in the book to remain in power. And they haven't used those years wisely. You would have thought if you're trying to regain power that you would use the time that you're in power to to do a better job. In actual fact, they've used that time to loot. The Keng metros are beyond damaged. The way they've been ruined is just it's a sin to see, you know, for anybody that that knows these metros. Well, so finally, it seems like the day of reckoning may be coming. By nature, I'm an optimist. Okay. So, I am looking at these things with a fairly optimistic bent cuz I know a lot of people are going to say, "Oh, yeah, you're just dreaming this, that, and the other." Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm not just dreaming. A lot of this is analysis. The first thing that one must say you are now you you mentioned that Sor Ramapora announced the date. It didn't come as a surprise. It's the world everything Sur Ramapora says only seems to shock Sor Ramapora but we've sort of been aware that the election were going to be was going to be in November this year and the DA announced Helen Zilla as their candidate last year I think in about October or so. Action essay announced Herman Mashaba as a candidate for Johannesburg. There's been candidates announced in Swan and Ken is bubbling up towards these elections and to this moment not a word out of the AMC. It is the craziest thing that I've ever seen in my life. It's like we both decide we're going to run the Comrades Marathon and the dates getting closer and closer and I'm on the couch smoking and eating cheeseburgers. may not be cheeseburgers, it might be KFC, but the thing is they just not in any way appealing to to even trying to roll out a plan or to even make a pretense of of having a plan and people notice this kind of thing.

[00:05:30]Now, the there's a thing that's separating this election from anything else. This local government election, especially in the Keng metros, is going to become an election where you've got a choice between ideology or service delivery. Ideology or city collapse. Those are your two choices.

[00:05:52]So, you can take all the ideology you like and you can watch your city sort of fall into its own pothole.

[00:05:58]>> Yan, can you sort this out?

[00:05:59]>> Yeah, we can sort this out. Let's do it.

[00:06:01]>> Okay. The deer [music] gets done.

[00:06:05]The residents understand this. So, but for a few diehard ANC fans who may not be that politically astute or they may be so uh hung over from liberation politics that they have to vote for the ANC.

[00:06:22]It's hard to see how the ANC are even going to get any votes. I mean, I know that they're going to get votes, but they are going to get whacked. There's just no other way to put it. Now, should that happen, I'm not suggesting that the DA is going to win outright because the DA has got a massive ideological hurdle to overcome. The only sort of electoral plan can be to kind of try and hobble the DA with the old trope, white party, bring back a partate, they kiches worse than Claremont, that kind of argument, right? And hope that it works. Well, now people are looking around and saying, you know, uh, I've agreed with you every 20 other times you've said that, but now my car has fallen into that pothole.

[00:07:08]Perhaps it's time for me to make a wiser decision. Because, you know, ultimately at local government, that's where your wealth lies. Your home, that's your biggest asset. Your car is your second biggest asset.

[00:07:20]>> These are people working hard that they can't walk safely at night because the street lights don't work.

[00:07:26]>> Yeah. So it's almost touches every facet of people's lives and Helen Zilla has been given an absolute clear path to uh to campaign and persist of it.

[00:07:40]>> And here we are with a free and wonderful Saturday afternoon snorkel.

[00:07:47]I can even do the backstroke over here.

[00:07:50]Let's see if I can do that still.

[00:07:54]So, there's a good chance that the DA could do very well, >> but not win outright.

[00:07:59]>> It doesn't look likely that they win outright, but they're going to have to get very close to 50 because the DA is not very popular amongst other political parties. You get two kinds of political parties. You get those that are ideologically opposed. They don't want to see, call it a western style political party coming into power cuz that terrifies them.

[00:08:21]because that represents success. That's what they never want. They want to be communist forever. Cuba, yo, we come.

[00:08:29]Yeah.

[00:08:30]>> Right. It So that's the one group of parties, ANC, the comrades, ANC, MK, EFF. The other group of parties hate the the DA cuz they want to be the DA. So it's going to be very difficult to see where the DA could get any kind of coalition. There's also the a similar thing to what's going on in Iran that goes on with the political parties. I think political parties have realized if they go into coalition with the DA cuz it happened in the Cape, it's happened everywhere that it's happened and the DA then becomes the bigger party governs better and pretty soon the voters desert the party that they came in with and vote for the DA forever. It happened with independent Democrats back in the day. It happened with the National Party. It's happened with a whole lot of parties. So they're scared to go to coalition. It happened with action essay. People are scared to coalesce with the DA because they're scared they'll lose their votes to the DA. So the DA has got to do some pretty sly things to get over the line. And they have done some one particularly clever thing I thought which is they can really bank on two good partners but both are tiny. And that is the Freedom Front Plus. They're going to be about 1% maybe two at best if the wind blows in the right direction. ACDP half a percent maybe 1% if the wind blows. You got 3% there. 47 to go. If the DA get 40, that leaves you 7% shy. Now, there's an outside chance that a party like Action SA, which did particularly well in 2021 and they burst on the scene, comes to power and there was a bit of a sly move in that Helen Zilla announced that they are a potential coalition partner to which Action SA had got two choices and both of them horrible. They could either say yes, in which case why vote for action essay at all, or they could vehemently deny it, in which case you confirm the feeling that a vote for action essay is a vote for the ANC. So it's put them in in a bind, but the city, these cities won't change.

[00:10:40]>> She's one person I know in this world who would pass a light detector test [music] with distinction.

[00:10:46]Herman Mashaba has a mind virus that tells him that everything that goes wrong is hidden.

[00:10:53]>> The big thing could be that you could end up in a situation like you've got a supposing KZN where MK got what 45% but yet they can't govern KZN. They're not organized enough to do much about it.

[00:11:06]But you could end up in a situation where the party that gets 40% doesn't have power. makes them very powerful in councils because the same thing will roll out in Tuan and Kurilleni. It may give them enormous power and make life very difficult for the people that want to steal for the next 5 years.

[00:11:23]>> I think one thing that worries me about is is in these upcoming elections with Khen is the coalition aspect because you're right, I don't think the DA is going to outright win. I'll be surprised and happy if they do uh to a certain extent, but I think there is going to be they're going to be forced to do a coalition, which means they're either going to be in a coalition with uh some small parties to try and get over the line or with themselves if the ANC is still or there's a third way cuz this is what happened in Cape Town where much against uh anybody's thinking at the time where Patricia Dil had started the independent democrats back in the day moved from uh the PAC, you more radical than ANC and EFF and MK put together and then they suddenly went into coalition with the DA why the simple reason was at the time you could see that the wind had changed so if you are a party like let's say the patriotic alliance now they follow the money they are very keen on power they're very keen on getting close to the levers of power especially the bank checkbook of power it may start suiting them to say, "Actually, hang on a second. Maybe we should stop being one of the comrades. Maybe we should break ranks." Sometimes parties need a jolt.

[00:12:43]Like human beings, you know, sometimes you need the jolt to actually make that decision. So, it wouldn't come as a surprise if one of the parties we're not thinking of at the moment decides to break ranks. In 2016, oddly enough, it was the EFF that went into coalition with Herman Mashaba and it suited them because they realized just how unpopular the ANC of Zuma was. So they it worked for a while. What torpedo that was they got too much control over that particular arrangement. They had control over Herman Mashaba and the DA itself killed that off.

[00:13:19]>> Herman Mashaba is a fool who can think.

[00:13:23]He was a mayor here in Johannesburg and we were controlling him when he was a mayor. We told him what to do when he was a mayor. So the opens are investing millions in a useless person.

[00:13:41]>> All I'm saying is that if you do get the outcome of the DA getting a significant slug of the vote, all bets are off. And then we're going to get to my rose tinted glasses approach. What could really change and why why it could be such an important moment is that Keng is really, you know, the most important area in the country by far because so many people live here and so many people traverse through here. All of the provinces in the top of the half of the country except for maybe the Eastern Cape and the Western Cape, Northern Cape to an degree, everybody else is experiences.

[00:14:24]If you should have Ken Metro starting to being governed better, people might start considering their vote as being a vote for service delivery as opposed to what they're doing at the moment. They hear about Cape Town, but they can't see it. But if you suddenly started to see a metro in looking so much better than anybody else, you might start saying, "Well, hang on a second. In my next bi-election, perhaps I'm going to vote differently."

[00:14:52]>> Yeah. And that's that's very important because I think if the DA wants to slowly, I mean, even if even if they get into a coalition now and then they manage to get through the debates and then the negotiation, all that stuff, but they actually start to have change.

[00:15:09]Cir starts doing all the things he wanted to do. Helenzilla starts doing all the things she wanted to do. Even though slow, that little bit of improvement, that voter will go, "Oh, wait. You know, the roads are being fixed. Whoa, this the robots are working again." And even those small things >> will encourage the voter to be like, "Okay, in the national elections, I'm going to vote for them again, and in the following municipality elections, I'll vote for them again if that improvement, even though small, keeps happening." And so by your analysis and going on that idea why these municipal elections are so important is it could start that seed that could grow in time and maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic and thinking the DA running the whole country.

[00:15:55]>> What it does bring into play is you could start seeing things like a 10% move in both directions. You could see the DA adding 10% to its 22% it got in the last government election, national election to let's say 32% and the ANC losing 10% to go to 30. Now you've got a new biggest party and we've seen with the government of national unity how powerful it is to have a the majority the biggest of the parties in the coalition. So there's a lot at play here and the other the other factor that we don't take into account and that is yes I do understand we're having problems with the economy because of the the problems in the Middle East that's pushed oil up but is incredibly incredibly uh sensitive to economic growth. If we see economic growth then suddenly the comrades don't look so clever >> and then their whole uh a lot of their narratives fail and and I mean at the end of the day you want to get your well if you're running a country properly you want to get your people educated so that they can make educated and informed decisions and you want to open up the economy so that these educated people can also work and be part of the economy become from lowerass to upper class and then when you start having this prosperous nation, you keep the vote because the people are happy, which I find is the most ironic thing about the ANC. If they had focused on making a prosperous country, I think they would still be the majority in the government.

[00:17:29]>> Well, they've made the country very prosperous for themselves in the circle, but they have been quite good at it.

[00:17:34]They haven't been good at it for everybody else.

[00:17:36]>> Yes. And well, I think how do you feel about maybe in France Kier's prediction that in 2029 the ANC is going to be done like they're not going to be in power anymore.

[00:17:46]>> What's happened in this local government election is that the game the rules of the game changed and the DA changed the rules of the game by by announcing Helenzilla as the mayor. That had never been done before. And it's shown the ANC for being out of touch. Now, one of the problems that the ANC have gotten, the reason why they can't announce a a mayoral candidate for Johannesburg or Tuane or Kurilleni or anywhere else is because they were ruthless in doing one thing. Uh, and a lot of credit must go back to Tabo Becky. He was dead scared of anybody else taking over the ANC. He was in his mind, I presume, set to be leader for life. We know that because he even wanted to stand for a third term.

[00:18:30]and god knows how long after that they managed to kill off the leadership class and they have spent 20 years getting rid of anybody who looked like a potential leadership threat. So you have a situation in the ANC right now where everybody in their leadership was still was around from 1994.

[00:18:51]There's nobody there that's really a credible leadership candidate who's under the age of 60. It's crazy. They just have no leadership. uh where I believe France is right is not only have they destroyed the country and and now benefiting from those that action they also have no leadership to bring them out of it. So now people are starting to talk about Hallelujah candidates, you know, Patrice Mate and I don't know who else. Maybe they resurrect Nelson Mandela. It's kind of like an avatar stands or something. They have no leaders because in their own polling you're kind of like the question was who who would you prefer Film Belula or Paul Mashetta? I think they would have got a better result who do you hate more. You know, there is nobody that is light, nobody that has got a track record, nobody that's got a personality. It's very, very difficult to see how they could ever turn that ship around. And that's why the rats are deserting the sinking ship.

[00:19:51]>> But what about a coalition between ANC, EFF, and MK? I always say that Helenzilla and the DA when they campaigned against this doomsday coalition, John Steason's favorite thing that we had to avoid at all costs. But to me, I think the only people that would have hated that more than the DA would have been the ANC. Could you imagine being in coalition with Jacob Zuma or with Julius MMA? Imagine waking up and going to work in the morning knowing that these are the people that you have to deal with. They had to deal with him at one point and they couldn't.

[00:20:25]So, they kicked each other out of the party. As much as it sounds like a good idea, it sounds like a good idea as much as sort of letting your ex-wife look after your trust fund sounds like a good idea. Or letting her drive your Porsche seems like a good idea. Maybe it's not such a good idea. Yeah, it could happen. But every time they get together, they are united. And to be fair, we've had ANC and EFF in coalition in all of the metros in Koeng. And the one thing that has united and they fought like cat and dog. The only thing that they haven't fought about is steal it. They've been united in their theft.

[00:21:03]They have shared the spoils equally.

[00:21:06]They've stolen together and that's about the only thing they've done together. So for as long as the voters are happy to to have their money stolen by by the parties, that's the only reason why I would see them staying together. But I can't really see it happening the bottom line. And I don't see what the ANC has to offer the other party. The way I see it is like let's say there's a scenario where the ANC has dropped significantly and their option is coalition with DA and FF plus and maybe another one or two small parties in which case the DA is slightly more um uh more votes or or shares of the G&U or coalition. the A and C might be like, ah, but if we go with MK and let's take out EFF because I think if Julius goes to jail, it's it's done. It's goners.

[00:21:58]Um, but let's say it's MK who has quite a bit of the vote at the moment. They're the third biggest political party. Let's just say for argument sake, it's ANC and MK and maybe another two small like the good party or whatever.

[00:22:14]I think in their desperation in order to keep stealing, in order to keep those those syndicates alive, they will they will go with it.

[00:22:22]>> Well, that's actually already in play in Pyaza Lassufi has done that. He made it public. He's already in coalition with the EFF. He said that he wants to include MK in in that partnership. So, he's trying to put together the doomsday coalition. The department of finance will be led by the economic freedom fighters through the appointment of Mr. Leonga as the he >> and he is far less successful than the ANC has even been nationally. So he's lost more votes. I think that people are perhaps not understanding MK properly.

[00:23:00]Who did MK take support away from? Did they take the support away from the ANC or did they take support away from the IFP? I think a mix of both.

[00:23:09]>> Okay. So, if it's a mix of both, suddenly this whole whacking great vote that everyone says they got is maybe on a different day would have gone to the other team is what I'm saying.

[00:23:20]>> I don't see MK as a natural sort of part of the troa. I do understand the comrades. They want to be comrades. They want to be wannabe these Gucci communists, but god knows what MK want to be 1860s Zillus really. and uh doesn't fit in with the rest. They want royalty. They don't want communists wanted to it was only started to get rid of the zars wasn't to implement the zars. MK actually want to do it the other way around. I wish they would do it together because it would be the shortest lived experience >> and it would be one and done.

[00:23:58]>> That's been my argument like for people who are so fearful of the doomsday collision. I'm like let let them let them because it'll be short. It'll be shortlived. they'll destroy everything.

[00:24:07]Then finally, hopefully the voters that either voted for any of those three will then go to somewhere else, DA, FF plus or whatever. And we finally uh be done with these parties because they would have shown how they don't care about the South African people. They just care about looting and had done things for their own interests. The one thing that the three parties have in common is that I already gave you my view on on the ANC's lack of uh leadership coming through. Well, we know that Julius MMA went and beheaded his leadership. MK had to go back to an 82year-old criminal to to be a leader. So, there's no leadership there.

[00:24:49]>> And every time somebody becomes secretary general, he gets kicked out because it seems too much like leadership. So everybody's looking the other way. The only person who sort of put her hand up for leadership was Zuma's daughter and then now she's gone.

[00:25:03]So it's kind of difficult to see who would lead this troa. The only one who might have the force of character to lead it would be MMA. But I think that between those three parties, you know, the the daggers would be drawn the first meeting. So I don't see how that could >> as much as they are comrades and may want the same things, they're still >> Yeah. uh wary of one another.

[00:25:25]>> You got to be concerned when you're united against something. We can often be united against something that's easy when there's one threat and in many cases they take their that's why they keep on bringing back apartate. They miss a partate a lot more than any white person in South Africa misses a part because it was life was simple for those politicians, those struggled people.

[00:25:51]There's the enemy. We are fighting against them now. What do we do? We We got to fight against the economy. Well, I can't touch him. But hey, let's say, hey, I used to fight against that guy, so he must still be the enemy. It's like watching a Rocky movie. You got to create the bad guy.

[00:26:08]>> Yes.

[00:26:09]>> And the sort of movies lose their appeal when the bad guy gets watered down every time or he's just another version of a bad guy you beat the last time. It's hard to see what those parties, they don't tell you what they stand for. Now, I got to say, Julius MMO stands for economic freedom in our lifetime, and the only one he's achieved it for is himself, right? So, I get what he wants there. So, mission accomplished. You one out of a million. Well done. But it's hard to see what they're trying to beat.

[00:26:42]Nobody says our enemy is hunger. Our enemy is lack of education. Our enemy is gender-based violence. No, it's our enemy is the enemy we beat 32 years ago.

[00:26:56]>> Yeah.

[00:26:56]>> It's it starts sounding a bit hollow.

[00:26:58]>> I think some voters of the ANC are are are waking up to that. What concerns me as well is like unfortunately some uh ANC voters are so loyal that they won't switch. They'll just not vote, which I think is also problematic. It's problematic, but it's fine by me. If you don't want to get out of bed in the morning and don't want to vote, well, that's fine. You probably were going to vote stupidly in the first place. So, stay in bed, fell over Uber Eats or whatever it is for you to stay in bed rather than make a bad decision. What vote are we missing? What does worry me more than than the guy who consciously says, "I want to vote for the ANC, but I can't vote for this ANC." is the people watching this that are more apathetic.

[00:27:45]An apathetic voter to me is more dangerous than a conscious nonvoter. And there's a difference between the two.

[00:27:51]here in Keng where you uh come through swaning every now and again, stay in our Airbnbs to have fun in our potholes every now and then. Well, we have to pay for the rates for that. We've reached a level of foldedness in that I don't think you can really understand.

[00:28:14]>> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Because you know like they say all politics is local. You don't understand what it is like to to live in a city that has fallen apart. Not is falling apart, has fallen apart, has collapsed.

[00:28:30]You're still paying the the rates as if the city is working. You you're doing everything, but you look around you and everything has has collapsed. It doesn't matter what color you are. The view might be a little bit different, but believe me, when the water doesn't come out of the tap, it doesn't matter whether you're living in Santon or Suetto, your day is not a great day.

[00:28:53]There's a big misunderstanding here, especially from the ANC side, as to how angry people are with their circumstance here. No foreign policy, no America bashing is going to make anybody feel better about the fact that I turned on the tap and no water came out. I think in our analysis and certainly the one thing that I will take out of this is please understand to what degree all people all residents of Khen are angry mlanga commission hasn't helped the comrades because you know day after day week after week we hear more and more money being stolen while the potholes get deeper and deeper right so you now can make a definite direct link will some voters not know what I'm talking about sure. Will the ANC still get 20 something%? Yes. Should they? No. It doesn't matter. That's going to happen, right? Fine. You know, make peace with that. But there's another 75% of votes out there to get the other parties can get if they go out and they uh and they tell you how they're going to fix this problem. Now let's understand that we've spoken a lot about the ANC but this nightmare has been brought to you compliments of the ANC and we've spoken about them enough of the EFF has been brought to you by a patriotic alliance and by action SA and by the IFP who have supported them throughout it all. So people must understand when they vote that it is brought to you by all of those parties not just the ANC. So nobody can vote to the EFF thinking, well at least they weren't in charge.

[00:30:34]Yes, they were in charge.

[00:30:35]>> Yeah, they were.

[00:30:36]>> They can't say patriotic alliance. Oh, Kate and McKenzie smiled so nicely. No, they were the ones that that collapsed the coalition. Action SA, they collapsed the coalition. IFP have supported the ANC throughout. So people must understand that that those parties can't get out of this without blame being attached. Not certainly not on the state of the nation. They will get to hear about the other parties that are in those coalitions as well.

[00:31:04]>> Yeah. What about South Africa keeps you optimistic?

[00:31:07]>> I spent a couple of years working in London when it was flourishing in the late '9s and it's kind of the closest to death I've ever felt in my life. Like there is no purpose. Everything runs on time. Everything works. There's nothing really like if you want to wake up just to know that everything that the train's going to be there the time it says it's going to be I kind of like the to some people that's paradise to me I needed the thrill of knowing let's build towards that is more fun the journey is more fun sometimes than the destination so I think that this the South African project could be really really interesting now is it likely to succeed well judging by the rest of the continent No, but we have got people in South Africa and you would have said the same thing about Asia in the ' 50s. You would have said there's no ways this place is going to turn into anywhere near, you know, Singapore will continue to be a hell hole. Yeah. I I just see all this potential. I see that at some point in South Africa, we're going to start putting our minds towards turning the entire country, the entire country.

[00:32:18]Because you can't do it in bits. You can only do everybody. Turn everybody into a first world person. I think that the majority of South Africans want to live in a decent place. I don't think they want to live in somebody's sewer. When that light comes on that actually, hey, hang on a second. All my actions have consequences. It'll be fantastic to watch all these flowers bloom. That's kind of what keeps me going. And uh that and golf and alcohol. [laughter] Nice. I like that. And the podcast.

[00:32:51]>> And the podcast. Yeah. The podcast is good at podcast. What turns me on about the podcast is that I get to piss people off so regularly that I just I just love it. I just love to read those comments when they say you how dare you ask that question. It gives me a thrill that I that sends me beside myself. I'm glad that you do that podcast and your interview style is awesome and I I I really do enjoy uh some of the questions that you ask because a lot of the times it's also questions that the audience might think you know and and those are >> important even if they seem simple and even if they seem controversial uh which they're not in my opinion maybe some is a little bit of a you know jab here and there but uh I I really enjoy watching your content and I think those of truth report audience that haven't seen it yet It should be you should see the collab at the bottom of this video. Check out uh State of the Nation.

[00:33:46]>> The question is, and this is what gives me the license, is how can you cancel a old white oak in this country? By law, I'm cancelled already. Right. So, there's nothing really much that they can do to me. And they, especially here in Janesburg, they're too useless to to to shoot me. They only shoot each other.

[00:34:10]So, yeah, I'm going to keep going.

[00:34:13]>> Yeah. They probably think like, "Ah, the guy has like five more years. Let him live." [laughter] >> Or they treat you like that old Everybody has that old-timer in their in their family that says the random stuff and then everybody's just like, "Okay, >> maybe that's how they view you." Thank you for this really awesome conversation. And I think it I think you've given uh the audiences and viewers something to really think about and hopefully think about how important it is to vote. Now, I'm not going to sit here and tell you who to vote for.

[00:34:45]That's up to you. But I think that I agree with Mike wholeheartedly that this upcoming municipal elections are extremely important and could be a test to see where South Africa is going to head next. But let me know your thoughts in the comment section below, ladies and gentlemen. And don't forget to like this video, share it far and wide, and subscribe to Truth Report if you haven't already. And check out our website, www.truthreport.co.za.

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