Iranian Christian Realises His Arguments Don't Work Against Shi'a Islam

Added: 2026-05-05

[00:00:00]I'm not sure how much you know about Shi'ism, though.

[00:00:02]What does it mean infallibility mean for Shi'ism?

[00:00:07]What does infallibility mean for Shi'ism? Let's call it the doctrine of infallibility. The doctrine of infallibility necessitates that anyone who is a guide appointed by God must be infallible because he is the guide, he is the representative of God. God, of course, is infallible, he's faultless, hence his representatives would also be faultless, impeccable, infallible.

[00:00:31]The difference from the other denomination is that no, they would believe that the prophets may err.

[00:00:36]For example, Adam, he would err. Eve, they she also erred. They would believe that Moses erred, Noah erred. You know the story of the incest in the Bible.

[00:00:47]Also, Solomon, for example, he would err, that's what they would believe.

[00:00:51]That is a a common doctrine between Christianity and so-called Sunni Islam.

[00:00:57]But with Shi'a Islam, no, we maintain that all representatives of God must be infallible.

[00:01:05]And does that stretch up to today? Is that still Are there still infallible prophets today?

[00:01:09]So, no, not infallible prophets. You can say that the doctrine the doctrine of the representatives, to make it to make it clear for you and to make it clear for all, in the Quran in chapter two which is the chapter of the cow God states states to the angels that I am appointing upon Earth a successor.

[00:01:29]That successor is a representative of God. He's an he's the authority of God.

[00:01:34]The first of of whom are Adam up until the end up until every time because the verse says appointing. Appointing is something that is active.

[00:01:44]It's active, it's not something that is done once.

[00:01:47]So, it stretches from Adam all the way to the Prophet Muhammad who we believe as the final prophet.

[00:01:55]After Prophet Muhammad comes the successors of Prophet Muhammad. This is the They're not prophets, but they are nonetheless nonetheless vicegerents of God and successors of Muhammad, likewise authorities of God, if you will.

[00:02:10]If you notice in the verse in the chapter in chapter two, the the verse doesn't say I am appointing a prophet.

[00:02:18]It says I'm appointing an authority, a general a general outline, a representative, general outline.

[00:02:26]So, we believe in in five different categories, prophets, messengers, imams, successors, and prophets on and prophets and messengers with legislation, as we say in Arabic language.

[00:02:43]That's what we believe.

[00:02:58]So, the the name imam in itself just means authority, someone who you must follow.

[00:03:04]The 12 imams are the imams after Prophet Muhammad but there were many imams before them.

[00:03:11]Ibrahim was an imam. Prophet Muhammad was an imam, likewise.

[00:03:17]No, Musa was a was a prophet, messenger, and a messenger from which means someone who came with a legislatory legislation.

[00:03:26]The Torah, the Old Testament.

[00:03:36]Yes.

[00:03:57]Excellent, so it's it's a beautiful question. I'm glad you asked me finally something something that is good, something that is good, something that is good in this corner. So, so uh Firstly, let's set a concept, repentance. Repentance, does it always mean or necessitate that you done wrong so you repented?

[00:04:19]How would you define repentance?

[00:04:28]Turn back onto God, return to God. Does it necessitate that you done a sin before?

[00:04:38]You would say yes.

[00:04:39]I would say that that is not a Quranic argument. It is actually nullified in the Quran. Repentance is in itself an act of worship. It is returning to God.

[00:04:52]That's the that's the definition of repentance as we would define it from a theological perspective, from an Islamic theological perspective.

[00:05:02]Repentance in itself is an act of worship. It does not necessitate that you done a sin, therefore you repented.

[00:05:07]Sure, granted that when you sin, you repent. That's a fact. But repentance, you can be in a always state of repentance whilst not doing a sin. And the example of that is Prophet Muhammad who died in whose generation about where it is stated that he would repent 70 times a day, he would repent.

[00:05:30]No problem. That he would repent 70 times a day without committing a sin.

[00:05:35]Therefore, repentance in itself is an act of worship which means returning back to God, turning back to God, but it doesn't always necessitate a sin beforehand.

[00:05:53]So, I will I will shorten the argument.

[00:05:55]All of the prophets all of the prophets where where it states that they may have erred or they may have sinned or they may have misstepped or done something that is contrary to the to the order of God all of those, if you were to give me specific scenarios, I can make it clear for you.

[00:06:14]All of those is actually not for them, blessings be upon them, the prophets themselves, but it's for the masses.

[00:06:20]It's like when I speak to you and I'm dressing I'm addressing you, but I'm actually addressing him.

[00:06:25]For example, we have a concept that is common is common between are you so-called Sunni? No, I'm not I'm not Muslim.

[00:06:33]>> You're not Muslim at all. So, in the in the in the other denomination it is agreed upon. This is a even this is a known statement in Arabic.

[00:06:45]The Arabic language is a language of eloquence, as you know.

[00:06:48]So, there is a concept or a principle or foundation that teaches that I may address you but I'm actually meaning her or him.

[00:06:59]I'll give you an example.

[00:07:01]Once there was a man who did not know how to make wudu.

[00:07:06]He did not know how to make wudu.

[00:07:08]So, Imam al-Hasan and Imam al-Husayn, these are two imams in holy in in Shi'a Islam they did not go to the elderly individual at his old age whilst they are young in age telling him that you don't know how to make wudu, let me correct for you, you don't know what you're doing. No, but instead Imam Hasan was teaching Imam Husayn.

[00:07:30]Imam Husayn, they're the grandsons of the prophets. Imam Hasan likewise is a grandson of the prophet. It is illogical to believe that they don't know how to make wudu, but they were doing so to teach the other individual and that's the concept here.

[00:07:41]Here, when we when the prophets make repentance, it is teaching us to make repentance. It is teaching us to return onto God, not that the act itself is worthy of repentance because they have erred.

[00:07:57]Definitely that's What do you mean? What do you mean?

[00:08:04]It doesn't say Satan tricked me.

[00:08:09]It doesn't say Satan tricked me.

[00:08:21]You can bring it Do you want to I don't mind.

[00:08:47]As I said.

[00:08:50]Satan's work.

[00:08:55]You're you're here you're carrying a understanding upon this text.

[00:08:58]Satan did not work within Moses.

[00:09:00]Satan is causing trouble, causing problems and he's saying this is from this this is from the work of Satan.

[00:09:05]Satan is causing problems, Satan is causing issues. Where does that How does that necessitate that Moses made a sin?

[00:09:15]Satan in this verse, to give it in context, he was causing the issues between the Pharaoh and the non-Muslims at the time of the of the Pharaoh with the Muslims. So, he was causing a conflict, he was causing a problem, he was causing a civil strife between those parties and Moses was saying this is from the work of the Satan, it's from the work of Satan.

[00:09:38]I'll give you a better example. Let's go to Adam himself, Adam.

[00:09:42]In all denominations that is of a heavenly, as we say in Arabic, that is let's say that is tied to the sky, that there's a God and so on and so forth.

[00:09:52]They believe that Adam sinned.

[00:09:54]Right? By eating from the tree. We believe he was commanded to eat from the tree.

[00:10:00]So that he starts humankind.

[00:10:03]And where did you get that from? Where do we get that from? Excellent. So we as Shia Muslims follow the household of the Prophet Muhammad Alihi Wasallam.

[00:10:15]Whereas the other denominations, they would follow the companions or follow their own whimsical Exactly.

[00:10:21]Their own whimsical tafsir. We believe that since God revealed the Quran, it can only be exegeted by those who are representative of God. We can't take religion from anyone, from humans basically, in other words.

[00:10:36]So the Prophet Muhammad before he died in 2 months he stood at a large mass gathering where 60,000 were in number were the attendees in a known place called Ghadir Khumm.

[00:10:50]And he said, "I am going to depart this world.

[00:10:52]And I am leaving behind me that which you hold on to, you will never be led astray.

[00:10:58]They are the book of God, the Quran, and my family, my household. They shall never separate until they meet me at the fountain of Kawthar."

[00:11:08]To a To a Bakri or to a non-Shia, I would say is the Quran authority? They would say the Quran is authority. The fact that Ahlul Bayt were matched with the Quran, that means that they are the authority with the Quran, simultaneously with the Quran.

[00:11:22]Hence why we cannot take religion understanding of the Quran, especially considering that the Quran itself says that it guides many and it misguides many, we must take the the exegesis from the right people.

[00:11:35]So we would say these are Ahlul Bayt.

[00:11:37]And Ahlul Bayt told us that the way to understand the Quran is like this.

[00:11:41]Adam did not sin.

[00:11:43]Moses did not sin. Solomon did not sin.

[00:11:45]David did not sin. They were all infallible, impeccable men of God, representative of God. And the stories that are in the Quran have a different meaning than that which the other school states. Even sometimes apparently, just like what I spoke to just like what I showed you there. Immediately you said Moses Satan was in Moses.

[00:12:07]It says in the Quran it doesn't What does it say? It says the work of of Satan.

[00:12:11]Yeah.

[00:12:14]Brilliant. So he So you know the verse about the blind man. Abasa wa tawalla an ja'ahul a'ma. Yes. Yes.

[00:12:21]The Prophet so {quote} and {unquote} frowned when the blind person came to him. Because he was with a bit he was with business people and then a poor blind man came and he said he wanted to speak to the Prophet. So the Prophet frowned at him.

[00:12:34]Did he turn away, though? Did he turn away? Absolutely not. Okay.

[00:12:38]We absolutely negate this erroneous aspersing and disrespectful exegesis towards the Prophet Alihi Wasallam.

[00:12:49]The verse is actually about Uthman ibn Affan.

[00:12:54]It's not about the Prophet. The Prophet is described in the Quran as what? As the mercy to mankind.

[00:13:01]Innak ala khuluqin azim. You are upon a great banner. You are upon the the most ethical, the most moral, the most best character that one can be.

[00:13:12]If This is This is actually Are you Christian? You're Christian. I'm aware of Christians that came to me or not me, some like one of us Muslims.

[00:13:23]And they said in the end of the day after a very very long debate between them, Christianity, divinity of Christ, so on forth. After a very long debate, they said, "Look, in the end of the day we follow a man who used to cure the blind, whilst you follow a man who frowned at the blind."

[00:13:42]That was a powerful Christian comeback, but it doesn't apply to us Shia Muslims.

[00:13:46]It applies to the other denomination.

[00:13:49]We would say that this was entirely not the Prophet as stated by the correct legislations or the correct representatives of of the verse. It's about Uthman ibn Affan where he had called a conference between the very big and notable figures of Quraish.

[00:14:09]And he had called the Prophet Alihi Wasallam.

[00:14:12]And they all sat down, they have a big meeting about, you know, what's going to happen.

[00:14:17]Uh this delegation. And then the blind man came. The blind man came. His name is Ibn Umm Maktum.

[00:14:25]And he was also a mu'azzin. He used to call for prayer. And he was blind.

[00:14:29]And he came to the Prophet Alihi Wasallam. Uthman did not like him to be there because it was Uthman's conference, if you will. He did not like him to be there, so he frowned.

[00:14:46]Prophet Obviously you just said that it couldn't have been Muhammad.

[00:14:52]From my knowledge, you would not follow Ibn Kathir.

[00:14:55]Or Ibn Would you follow Ibn Abbas?

[00:14:58]Ibn Abbas? No. No. I'll tell you right now.

[00:15:01]My question >> Ibn Abbas, I'll tell you. Ibn Abbas, even Ibn Kathir, all of these people are We take some some from them and we reject. We reject most, we take some. Yeah. Let's put it this way.

[00:15:13]No, I don't know what your tafsirs would would lean towards, but Surah 66 where Allah talks about why would you forbid the the things I allowed you to eat from, basically.

[00:15:27]Okay. Lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu lak? Yes. Surat at-Tahrim? I think it is Surah Please bring it up.

[00:15:36]So I don't know I know the Sunni Sunni interpretation. I know how Sunnis go through Ibn Kathir. And I know how Ibn Kathir says that this is regarding a type of honey that he had forbid It's the same verse.

[00:15:48]Yeah.

[00:15:54]I know the verse. I know the verse. It's fine.

[00:15:57]Are you Hafiz?

[00:15:58]I'm not not entirely, but I do memorize a large portion of the Quran, you could say, or a good portion of the Quran. We try to. So our Prophet, why do you prohibit prohibit yourself from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wife?

[00:16:12]And Allah is all-forgiving and most merciful. Yes. What's the question here?

[00:16:16]So my question is and from my understanding, okay, forbidding something, so calling something haram which is allowed should be a sin.

[00:16:27]No? Would you not agree? No, because look, this prohibition, if you notice, for you.

[00:16:33]Ya ayyuhan nabi. Yeah. Ya ayyuhan nabi lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu lak tabtaghi mardata azwajak. Oh Prophet, why do you forbid that which Allah has made halal for you?

[00:16:47]For you. Here he's not he's not making a legislation where he's saying this is haram upon all people.

[00:16:54]Like for example, Sikhism. When when the when his son died, the guru, his son died, he said, "That's it. From now on on none of you cut your hair."

[00:17:02]You know? Yeah, that's that's why.

[00:17:05]So yeah.

[00:17:08]Yeah. So so so Yeah. So So here the Prophet Alihi Wasallam he made a decision where he prohibited something for himself. He said, "I don't want to do this action with that specific That's a That's by the way according to the story of the Bakris. That's the story of the of the opponent sect. The whole story about the honey, we have a different story here. That's That's why I So when I when I speak to Sunnis, they they stutter when it comes to this ayah. It was a conspi- It was a conspiracy by the wives. It wasn't just honey. That's the honey story uh regarding Zaynab bint Jahsh where she says she she delivers or she gives honey to the Prophet Alihi Wasallam. And then he goes to Aisha and and she tells him that we smell of you a bad fragrance.

[00:18:01]And he says I had eaten honey and it was out of jealousy.

[00:18:04]We'd say obviously that asperses Aisha because she's lying she's lying to the Prophet Alihi Wasallam which she knows that there is no disgusting fragrance from the Prophet at all. It's a matter of jealousy as they would put it. According to our school, though, we have an entirely different story where it is actually further than that. It is more than that. It is relating to uh the Prophet Alihi Wasallam being with another wife of his.

[00:18:29]And then Hafsa Hafsa the other wife she goes to the Prophet Alihi Wasallam upset about him being with another wife. Of course the Prophet had multiple wives, as you know, as the prophets before David, Solomon.

[00:18:44]Just so I can, you know, before they before they come with an argument.

[00:18:49]All right.

[00:18:50]Pleasure to meet you. Thank you very much. Take care. Thank you very much.

[00:18:52]Take care.

[00:18:54]So um Yeah. So so he tells Hafsa a secret.

[00:19:00]If you read out the verse, it says Ya Ya Ya nisa'an nabi. No.

[00:19:05]Lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu lak tabtaghi mardata azwajak wallahu ghafurun rahim.

[00:19:11]An nabi ila ba'di azwajihi haditha. And when the Prophet gave a secret a secret to some of his wives.

[00:19:19]And she said, "Who told you this?"

[00:19:23]Uh and then he says this is Allah told told me this.

[00:19:27]The secret was that he's going to depart the world. And your father, Hafsa, will be in power.

[00:19:37]And Abu Bakr will be in power. Where will you find this? You'll find this in Tafsir al-Qummi.

[00:19:42]It's a good It's a good book for the Shias so you can understand the the exegesis.

[00:19:46]And then Aisha and Hafsa conspired conspired with their two fathers to kill the prophet Alaihi Wasallam.

[00:19:53]And that's what we believe.

[00:19:55]This is where it says for example to Allah Aisha and Hafsa for you have a deviated heart heart for that will become your heart deviated or your your heart have been deviated.

[00:20:08]Uh and then he says if you don't repent we will and if you continue to to conspire when Alaihi if you continue to to conspire then Allah will muster a whole army to fight you.

[00:20:20]The angels, the believers and the prophets.

[00:20:24]Uh so here it's a it's an it's a rebuke.

[00:20:29]Rebuke towards Aisha and Hafsa for conspiring against the prophet Alaihi Wasallam.

[00:20:35]I'm sorry I'm screaming because I can't really hear myself.

[00:20:38]I'm glad you're screaming cuz I can hear you now.

[00:20:40]Okay so unfortunate that you have to May May God bless you. What's your I'm I'm respectful to anyone. Not earlier.

[00:20:47]I'm respectful. I'll come around and you won't be I know but that's because people shout and they they change the topic. But he's very respectful so I can see why but >> Do you see how he sticks to one topic? I asked him a question. He answers my question. I asked Jamshed a question.

[00:21:01]Jamshed is here? He was here I came here a few weeks ago he was here. I asked Siraj a question he jumps topic. I asked Hamza a question. Everyone jumps topic.

[00:21:08]I'm trying I asked a question. Yeah fair enough. Yeah fair enough. Because they are empty brother. They are empty. They don't have anything so so they that's why they they avoid debate. They avoid debate. I haven't met you before. You are you are what are you? Christian.

[00:21:20]You're a Christian. Where are you from?

[00:21:22]Alaihi Wasallam Inshallah may Allah bless you Inshallah.

[00:21:27]Are you I'll jump in I'll jump in with Wait.

[00:21:31]He's the content. All right we'll talk.

[00:21:35]Right. I was I was born in Iran.

[00:21:39]Masha Allah. So I speak Turkish. I don't I don't speak much Arabic.

[00:21:43]But I think the the problem I have is I think Shia because of Sunni too. You want to see I we are adverse to it. We are antithetical to it.

[00:21:54]But you know But what's stopping you from coming becoming Shia Muslim? But you know do you know why I smile when I see you? You remind me of my great grandfather. He was an Imam.

[00:22:02]And he like I would spend hours and hours going through the Quran and the books and he would sit on his bed and he would tell me the stories exactly how you're telling me. So I was looking at you I was I was reminded of my great grandfather. Alhamdulillah. But if there's anything that I can help you with Inshallah. Do you have a card? Do you have something I can I don't have a card but I can Social media anything.

[00:22:21]Yeah social media social media. If you go on Rafida Plus you can find us Inshallah. What's it called? Rafida Plus.

[00:22:27]On Instagram? Yeah on Instagram. And on YouTube also we're on YouTube.

[00:22:39]Check out YouTube. The first one.

[00:22:42]Yeah may God bless you. so many questions because I can't find real Shias.

[00:22:48]I unfortunately this this place is taken by Sunnis and even the Sunnis don't agree with each other. Here they pretend like they do. Online it's a different story. Online they're cursing each other. Authorities are swearing at Do you know they curse You're right. Yeah yeah.

[00:23:02]But unfortunately I don't find real Shias so I can never like actually ask Shias questions.

[00:23:07]Uh but I'm really glad you're here. I'm blessed. May God bless you Inshallah.

[00:23:10]I'm at your service Inshallah. And I I believe if you're sincere and if if everyone is sincere I believe look I believe that the greatest enemy to Shia Islam is ignorance.

[00:23:19]And once ignorance is cured with knowledge Shia Islam becomes clear.

[00:23:23]That's what I believe.

[00:23:25]So Inshallah Now now you say that Yeah.

[00:23:28]my great great grandfather used to say the same thing about Omar and Abu Bakr.

[00:23:31]That's true he's right. May Allah have mercy upon them.

[00:23:34]May Allah have mercy upon them Inshallah. Thanks brother. May Allah bless you Inshallah.

[00:23:43]Nice to meet you brother.

[00:23:45]Nice to meet you.

[00:23:47]Thank you very much. Thank you.