Girlfriend Kept Laughing During the Interrogation… Moments Later She Broke Down

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[00:00:00]In February 2009, a mother of two named Heather Strong suddenly disappeared from her hometown in Marian County, Florida.

[00:00:07]When investigators began looking into her case, one detail immediately stood out. Her aranged husband, Joshua Fulgum, had been using her credit card after she vanished. That alone raised serious suspicion. When questioned, Joshua denied any involvement, but he quickly redirected investigators towards someone else. his on-again, off-again girlfriend, Amelia Carr, a woman who was eight months pregnant at the time.

[00:00:34]Detectives decided to bring her in for questioning.

[00:00:38]>> Hey.

[00:00:38]>> Hey.

[00:00:39]>> Tired.

[00:00:40]>> I'm exhausted.

[00:00:42]>> About my bedtime.

[00:00:43]>> Going try to make this quick as possible. Okay. I appreciate you coming up here.

[00:00:46]>> You look tired, too.

[00:00:47]>> Very tired. I appreciate you coming up here. Understand, you're not pressured to be here. This is all voluntary. That door is only closed for privacy. It's not locked. You're more welcome to get up and walk out at any time. Okay. Right here, we're trying to trying to get some things together and we try to sort out some some differences and get a clear understanding. Okay.

[00:01:08]Excuse me. I've had this.

[00:01:10]>> Sorry.

[00:01:11]>> Give me your name.

[00:01:13]>> E M I L I A. Yeah. Y I'm sorry. Y E R A >> Y >> E R A.

[00:01:24]>> That's it. It's my first and last. Did you need my middle?

[00:01:27]>> Oh, I was waiting for something else.

[00:01:29]>> Oh, >> what's your date of birth?

[00:01:31]>> 8484.

[00:01:35]>> What's your uh address?

[00:01:38]>> I've only been at my mom's for two days.

[00:01:40]>> What's that address?

[00:01:41]>> Um, Macintosh.

[00:01:50]>> Okay.

[00:01:53]Are you Hispanic?

[00:01:54]>> Mhm.

[00:01:54]>> Okay.

[00:01:56]>> Um, you have a cell phone number?

[00:01:58]>> No.

[00:02:00]>> Phone number?

[00:02:00]>> Uh, 591.

[00:02:04]>> That's my mom's number.

[00:02:06]>> No sale.

[00:02:07]>> No. They get me in trouble.

[00:02:09]>> What do you mean by that?

[00:02:10]>> Run up high bills.

[00:02:11]>> Oh, okay. Let me just get some understanding between you and Josh.

[00:02:16]>> Mhm.

[00:02:16]>> How long you guys been knowing each other?

[00:02:18]>> Um, this August will be about two years. So, you know each other for about two years?

[00:02:23]>> Yeah.

[00:02:26]>> How long you guys dated?

[00:02:32]>> Four months last year.

[00:02:38]>> Four months.

[00:02:39]>> Mhm.

[00:02:40]>> How far along are you?

[00:02:41]>> I'm eight months.

[00:02:43]>> So, you're eight months?

[00:02:44]>> Yeah.

[00:02:44]>> Okay. Um, temp relationship between you, Josh, and and Heather.

[00:02:51]>> They split up. Me and him tried a relationship and then in December, he wanted to work things out for his kid's sake. And we parted ways and we just agreed that when she came along, we'd have some kind of civil relationship. And then everything happened in January where I guess she had him arrested for some type of gun charge.

[00:03:15]I'm sorry. I'm exhausted.

[00:03:16]>> Tell me about that.

[00:03:19]>> I don't really know the whole story behind that. All I know is I got a call from Mary Kale from him saying that he was in there. She had told the cops that he pulled a gun on her and he told me he didn't. And they arrest him because I guess there was a gun at the house which was my dad's at one point.

[00:03:38]>> Where's that gun at now?

[00:03:40]>> In one of y'all's lockers.

[00:03:42]>> Okay. So, and he got out in February and we've been talking, trying to have, you know, some kind of civil communication and we've been trying to work things out and see if we could possibly try a relationship again. So, things have been rocky and it's hard when you got five kids between you, between different people.

[00:04:01]>> How many kids do you have?

[00:04:02]>> Three.

[00:04:03]>> You got three kids?

[00:04:04]>> Yeah.

[00:04:04]>> And then she has >> two >> to two kids. Explain the relationship between you and her. There wasn't really ever one. Excuse me. Um, we had a little bit of contact over the four months because she would when she felt up to allow him to see his kids. So, we had some kind of contact, but I usually got the I'm going to kill you, you know, you're a [ __ ] you're a [ __ ] blah, blah, blah. Because me and him had a relationship off and on for the two years, almost two years.

[00:04:38]>> So, we pretty much maintained our distance. Okay. Have you and her ever got into her about anything?

[00:04:43]>> No, I've kept my distance. I mean, over the phone, but actual person to person, no.

[00:04:50]She could actually be pretty civil when we had to be >> right. Um, just trying to think, when was the last time you saw her?

[00:05:04]>> Um, couple days after he went to jail.

[00:05:11]because she asked me to babysit the kids for a few hours so she could go to work.

[00:05:17]And >> what she would ask you to babysit the kids?

[00:05:21]>> And I told her I wasn't too sure about it because we had an awkward kind of relationship and she said, "Well, Mackenzie really likes you and she loves you and she'd rather you babysit him."

[00:05:32]So I was there for a few hours, babysat.

[00:05:34]>> Where'd you babysit them at?

[00:05:36]>> Southshore Fish Camp.

[00:05:38]>> Okay. the trailer they used to live in.

[00:05:40]>> Mhm.

[00:05:43]>> Oh, sorry. And I was there for a few hours, babysat. She came home and Jamie gave me a ride home.

[00:05:51]>> Jamie. Who was Jamie?

[00:05:52]>> Aim.

[00:05:54]>> Okay.

[00:05:54]>> I'm pretty sure you heard that name before. He's my youngest son's father.

[00:05:59]>> Me and Jamie got a relationship.

[00:06:01]>> We have a kid. Yeah.

[00:06:02]>> Okay. And then Jamie had a relationship with >> her.

[00:06:06]>> With her. It's a mess.

[00:06:09]>> Okay.

[00:06:11]That was a >> animosity. No.

[00:06:14]>> Yeah.

[00:06:15]>> He denies the baby.

[00:06:17]>> He's had nothing to do with him since he was born.

[00:06:19]>> How old is he?

[00:06:20]>> He'll be three in August.

[00:06:21]>> He has no had nothing to do with the baby.

[00:06:24]>> No.

[00:06:25]He's supposedly seen him, you know, he claims him around certain people and then around other people. Oh, that's not my kid.

[00:06:35]>> Right. So, >> so you hadn't seen her since. What was the last time you saw her?

[00:06:40]>> That night I babysat, which was the Saturday after Josh got arrested. And my son turned seven January 8th. I don't remember if that was a Thursday or Friday.

[00:06:51]>> So that Saturday had to be the 9th or the 10th.

[00:06:54]>> January.

[00:06:55]>> Yeah.

[00:07:01]>> So that January the 8th or the 9th?

[00:07:04]>> Yeah. No, it wasn't the A's cuz it was my son's birthday. It was that Saturday I babysat for a few hours.

[00:07:11]>> Okay.

[00:07:13]And that's when she was living in the trailer park >> and you haven't seen or talked to her since then?

[00:07:17]>> Mm- >> Okay. Um, you had indicated that Josh had been trying to find her.

[00:07:25]>> Yeah.

[00:07:26]>> Tell me how tell me about that. Well, cuz his daughter she asked about her mom, you know, you know, Jur's mom and he he's asked people and no one's seen her. She and from what I understand from people in the fish camp cuz they've lived there off and on for 5 years. She has a tendency to sleep and she pops up 3 4 weeks later, you know. So, he just told her, he said, "Baby, I don't know where she's at." You know, he goes, "I don't know."

[00:07:52]>> Where did he tell you she was?

[00:07:54]>> He told me he didn't know.

[00:07:57]I mean, normally she from what Robbie told me is she hauls by Mississippi or she hauls off with a guy. Like when she left in August that we actually tried a relationship, she met a guy, known him 30 minutes and moved in with him the next day. She has a very flighty personality and we it'd be nice to locate her. I mean, we have an 8-year-old little girl who's crying looking for her mom. Mom won't call. Mom won't make contact. nothing.

[00:08:27]>> Mhm.

[00:08:27]>> And I mean it's just I have three kids who have fathers who have no contact with them and you know it's just it's messed up. So I mean he's asked he's gone to the you know asked people what he can do. He's >> ask people like who >> like child sports is trying to come after me and he told him he said look I don't even know where she's at. I've got the kids right now. So, I guess they freezed it temporarily till everything is situated.

[00:08:57]So, right now it's a mess. It is a tangled up mess. We don't know where she's at.

[00:09:03]>> Well, okay. He told somebody else and I'm just wondering that he thinks that she's in Mississippi. Did he tell you the same thing or he just hadn't told you at all what he >> No, he told me he wouldn't doubt if she was in Mississippi, you know.

[00:09:14]>> Did Did he tell you the last time he had contact with her? Uh, >> did he tell you how he ended up getting the kids if the kids live with her?

[00:09:22]>> Oh, yeah. They were living with her and she had called him to meet him at a store to pick up the kids and to bring them back to his mom's house. And from what I understand from McKenzie, she left with some guy in a truck, which was if if it's the same guy, it's the guy that was seen in Southshore Fish Campy.

[00:09:44]I don't know.

[00:09:47]Okay.

[00:09:48]>> So, he told you that he picked her up from the store >> with the kids >> and she was with him.

[00:09:53]>> Mhm.

[00:09:54]>> And he drove her and the kids back to >> to his mom's house.

[00:09:58]>> To his mom's house.

[00:09:59]>> To drop the kids off. And that she asked him to drop him to drop her off.

[00:10:04]>> Drop her off. Where?

[00:10:05]>> I think pro.

[00:10:07]>> Okay. He asked her she asked him to drop her off at the petrol. Mhm.

[00:10:14]>> Okay.

[00:10:18]And that's the last time he said he saw her.

[00:10:20]>> Yeah.

[00:10:21]>> When he dropped her off at the pro.

[00:10:23]>> Yep. There's a gentleman up there.

[00:10:25]Really good friend of hers is Wayne.

[00:10:29]>> Up at the petrol?

[00:10:30]>> Yeah. He's a gentleman that drives a white douly.

[00:10:33]>> And he works at the petrol or >> No, he's a trucker.

[00:10:35]>> He's a trucker. So you think he's she's with Wayne?

[00:10:39]>> I don't know.

[00:10:41]I don't know. But I do know that when we were trying to get all the kids belongings from Spar where they were living, that the landlord told him that he would not okay anybody getting any belongings out of there until he had contact with Heather. And a couple days later after her mom had called him asking if he had seen or heard from her and he gave her mom Wayne's number. And from >> who gave her mom Wayne's number?

[00:11:08]>> Josh. Josh gave Heather's mom Wayne's number.

[00:11:14]>> Okay.

[00:11:14]>> Because I had it.

[00:11:16]>> You still have Wayne's number?

[00:11:17]>> I know it. Yeah.

[00:11:18]>> What's Wayne's number?

[00:11:22]>> I know.

[00:11:24]>> And that's the guy she's supposed to be with.

[00:11:26]>> Well, that's the guy she meets up with.

[00:11:28]>> That's the trucker guy with the beard, the white dueler.

[00:11:31]>> Okay. I'm going to go out and call Wayne.

[00:11:33]>> And a few days later after he gave her that, >> have you guys called Wayne? talked away.

[00:11:39]>> We've tried. No, there's no answer. When her mom called, from what I understand, he because he's married, he kind of got an attitude and hung up. But 3 days later, Heather, from what the landlord said over there at Spar, she called and made contact with him and told the landlord that only her husband could pick up her kids belongings.

[00:12:00]So, you might want to contact him cuz she's had contact with him, but she hasn't had contact with Josh. Josh's mom, none of the family. So that's why we're all kind of don't know what's going on right now.

[00:12:12]>> Okay, let me go ahead and try to call Wayne right now. All right, >> maybe I can put this whole thing.

[00:12:18]>> It'd be nice.

[00:12:24]>> As investigators dug deeper, a complicated relationship web began to emerge. Heather and Joshua had a long unstable history filled with arguments, separations, and brief reconciliations.

[00:12:37]Amelia entered the picture during one of those breaks, forming a relationship with Joshua that lasted only a few months. But even after they split, the connection never fully ended. There were multiple people involved, overlapping relationships, and ongoing tension, especially between Amelia and Heather.

[00:12:56]Despite claims of keeping distance, there were clear signs of hostility, jealousy, and conflict beneath the surface.

[00:13:09]>> Hey, you're awake.

[00:13:13]>> All right.

[00:13:15]I had to go make some phone call. Um, I just want to make sure that we're we're clear on the issue that you explained to me that Josh told you the last time he had contact with her was when he went to the house or the store down from the house, correct?

[00:13:32]>> And he picked the two kids up and her.

[00:13:36]>> Yeah.

[00:13:36]>> He specifically told you he picked her up, too.

[00:13:40]>> I mean, I didn't really ask details. I mean, she has a tendency to haul butt.

[00:13:45]So, >> no, no, no, no. Let's go back to let's stay focused.

[00:13:48]>> What did he tell you? Don't change it and said you >> no that he picked up her and the kids.

[00:13:52]>> Okay. And they did what?

[00:13:54]>> I'm not sure if um they dropped her off before he went to his mom's with the kids or after. But I know that he picked up her the kids.

[00:14:04]>> Mhm.

[00:14:05]>> And they went to the mom's house cuz you told me >> Yeah.

[00:14:08]>> You told me that he dropped her off at the pro.

[00:14:10]>> Mhm.

[00:14:11]>> Okay. Is that clear what you told me?

[00:14:14]>> Yeah. that he picked her and the kids up, >> dropped the kids off at home.

[00:14:18]>> Mhm.

[00:14:18]>> And then he dropped her off at the pro.

[00:14:21]>> Yeah.

[00:14:21]>> And you said Mackenzie told you something. Or who told you that he got that she got with Wayne?

[00:14:27]>> Oh, McKenzie had just said that she had seen her mom with a guy in a white truck >> when >> I don't know if it was still when they were in the park or when she moved to spar or what, but she said her mom was talking to someone in a white truck. You can question people in the park. They've seen them, too.

[00:14:41]>> Okay. But that's >> has nothing to do with that. That has nothing to do with that night.

[00:14:46]>> Yeah.

[00:14:46]>> Okay. All right. Um and that's what he told you.

[00:14:52]>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure.

[00:14:54]>> Okay. Well, I called Wayne.

[00:14:55]>> Uhhuh.

[00:14:56]>> Wayne say he ain't seen her since sometime in January.

[00:15:02]Has no contact with her and hadn't seen her.

[00:15:09]Okay. Mhm.

[00:15:11]>> Now, is there something that you need to tell me?

[00:15:14]>> I mean, she made contact with the landlord in the spa.

[00:15:18]>> How do How do you know that?

[00:15:19]>> Because the landlord had said something to Josh when he was going to pick up the kids belongings about not releasing anything without her cons.

[00:15:28]>> Is that what Josh told you?

[00:15:30]>> Well, I mean, that's what I heard from him and his sister.

[00:15:33]>> Again, that's what I said. Is that's what Josh told you. So Josh told you that Heather called the landlord?

[00:15:39]>> No, he didn't tell me that she called.

[00:15:41]He said that when he got home to pick up the kids, his sister said that the landlord had called and told her that Heather called and said it was okay for him to go pick up the belongings.

[00:15:50]>> Okay. And you believe Heather made that call?

[00:15:52]>> I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, why wouldn't she?

[00:15:55]>> Okay.

[00:15:57]All right. You know, there's a lot of people that we're going to be talking to.

[00:16:00]>> Oh, I know.

[00:16:00]>> Okay. And if there's something you need to tell me, this is the time to tell me right now. Oh, >> I'm hoping you guys find her. I mean, >> well, we're going to find her. Find her with your help.

[00:16:11]>> Cuz I mean, it'd be >> with your help, we're going to find her.

[00:16:14]Okay?

[00:16:15]>> And I need you to understand that I need your help.

[00:16:18]>> And I'm here to help. I mean, we've got kids who need both parents. And >> you know something, this is the time.

[00:16:26]This is our opportunity cuz you want to see that baby being born.

[00:16:29]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:16:29]>> You know what I mean? Okay. You don't want something to bite you in the behind if you know something.

[00:16:34]>> No.

[00:16:35]>> Okay. Um >> the relationship between you and her. I know for for a fact that you and her at least got into an argument one time.

[00:16:48]Okay? And clarify this now because I know for a fact that this happened.

[00:16:52]>> That when you guys got into that argument, you grabbed her by her her hair. You remember that?

[00:16:57]>> Oh my goodness. Are you kidding?

[00:16:59]>> Tell me about that. Who told you that?

[00:17:01]Because >> Tell me about that.

[00:17:02]>> That was another babysat that we She came in and we kind of talked a little bit and I told her I had to go. She started arguing with me about not seeing Josh and I told her I hadn't spoken to him since we split up in December and said she was going to try to work things out with them and that was it. And I told her I was leaving.

[00:17:25]Trust me, if I had put my hands on her, >> tell me what happened by that. She would have had me in jail.

[00:17:30]>> Well, you put your hands on her cuz you grabbed a handful of her hair. So, tell tell me about that incident.

[00:17:35]>> I didn't grab her.

[00:17:38]We were talking and we were kind of getting into a little bit of an argument. That's when I told Jamie, "Can we just go?"

[00:17:44]>> So, Jamie was there, too.

[00:17:46]>> Yeah.

[00:17:46]>> Who else was there?

[00:17:48]>> At that time, it was just us three and the kids were in the bedroom asleep.

[00:17:52]>> Just you guys three?

[00:17:53]>> Yep.

[00:17:53]>> Okay. So, if you were there, Jamie was there, >> and Heather was there, and I'm telling you that I know for a fact that something happened, where do you think I get that information from?

[00:18:06]>> From Jamie.

[00:18:07]>> Okay. Tell me about what happened.

[00:18:10]>> We were arguing because she wanted me to keep my distance.

[00:18:15]>> Nothing. I told Jamie, "Let's go. I don't want to be here." I had my son.

[00:18:18]>> You grabbed a handful of her hair. You grabbed a knife and you put it to her throat. No, I didn't because if I did, I'd be sitting in county.

[00:18:25]>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You guys made a mutual agreement that nobody was going to call law enforcement. Nobody was going to do anything after you guys settled down. You need to be straight up and honest with me.

[00:18:36]>> Okay, I'm telling you how to put my hands on her. She had me arrested.

[00:18:40]>> No, no. I'm telling you what happened.

[00:18:44]I'm asking you to be straight up. You're not going to get in trouble for that, but you don't need to sit up here and continue to lie to me.

[00:18:51]>> You are lying to me. Okay, me and Jamie don't have a good history.

[00:18:55]>> Okay, >> we really don't.

[00:18:58]>> There's some other things. I'm just opening Pandora's box a little bit. And this is the time for that you need to be straight up and honest with me.

[00:19:04]>> Okay, again, you don't need to get yourself into trouble with that baby.

[00:19:09]>> Oh, and I know. And I'm being honest with you.

[00:19:11]>> If I know that little tidbit, there's a lot more that I know.

[00:19:15]>> There's a lot more people that I have talked to.

[00:19:18]>> Okay, this is your opportunity for you to be straight up with me. So went sour.

[00:19:24]Okay. Clean your slate.

[00:19:26]>> Okay. What I'm telling you is that's the last time I saw her was because we got into that argument.

[00:19:30]>> You don't like her.

[00:19:32]>> I don't have a problem with her. I >> Now you don't.

[00:19:34]>> No, I've stepped back.

[00:19:36]>> Now you don't.

[00:19:37]>> There's other people has come forward about some statements that you have made >> in regards to >> some statements you have made. I'm telling you, if you want me to go down this road, it's not going to look pretty for you.

[00:19:50]>> Okay. Okay. But >> this is the opportunity. Listen, you two guys are sleeping with the same damn man. And you can't sit up here and sit up here and tell me that, oh, you guys had a a amicable relationship cuz that's [ __ ] >> You didn't like her. She didn't like you.

[00:20:05]>> Okay. And I agreed to babysit that.

[00:20:07]>> Yes, you did agree to babysit that.

[00:20:10]However, I chose >> you didn't want her. You don't want her in the picture because you know that Josh would go back to her. Josh would choose her over you any day. And I've seen, you know, that for a fact, >> many times so that he could be with his kids. I have three other kids I've raised by myself. Child by myself is not a big >> I can only I can only help you if you help yourself.

[00:20:33]>> Okay. But what I'm trying to tell you is we got into an argument and I was ready to go because I am pregnant. Why would I put my hands on someone while I'm pregnant and run the risk of getting hurt?

[00:20:43]>> It happened, did it not?

[00:20:45]>> No. you never got into a conversation with somebody. Okay, because I'm gonna open up another one and this is the last one I'm I'm going to open up because you're going to get yourself in a hell of a lot of trouble. Okay, I'm tired.

[00:20:59]>> You're tired and you're lying to me.

[00:21:02]Okay? And you're going to get yourself into trouble. It's going to be a very, very long night. Okay? You got into a conversation with someone or you offered someone some money.

[00:21:12]>> Oh my god.

[00:21:12]>> Oh, obviously you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I've heard this rumor.

[00:21:17]>> It's a rumor.

[00:21:18]>> Yeah.

[00:21:19]>> How does it more than one person know about it?

[00:21:21]>> Because where we live, if you >> tell me about it.

[00:21:24]>> Let me guess. Jason Wshaw, >> tell me about it. Why? Why is it Why Why is it that I have to open something up for you to say, "Oh, and I'm sitting up here and I'm asking you. I'm asking you a question. Very specific questions that I'm asking you. Okay? If there's anything else that I need to know, you need to tell me." I think that'll be one that I come up. Hey, somebody just said a rumor or this [ __ ] rumor is going on or this is going on or that's happening. You're going to walk yourself into some that you can't get out of. I'm telling you right now, this is your opportunity and I only knocked once.

[00:21:56]>> Okay. Well, what I'm telling you is me and her got into it and I asked to leave. Well, after that, there were rumors from Jamie Jason that I was supposedly trying to pay someone to get rid of her. This and that. I'm not going to steep to that kind of a level of a man. I'm sorry. It's not worth it. I have three kids I've raised by myself.

[00:22:22]This is another one I can raise by myself. I wouldn't do that. And they have done nothing but made my life hell for as long as I can remember. Jamie Akum, Jason Lshaw. Those are two people who for as long as I can remember have made my life help.

[00:22:37]>> Okay.

[00:22:37]>> Me and Jamie don't get along because he knows I'm in the process of trying to come after him for child support. So, right now, anything he can do to harm me, he has tried.

[00:22:46]>> Who Who else do you have issues with that you that you think that would just rely on me?

[00:22:50]>> Um, anyone associated with Jamie Aum's family?

[00:22:54]>> Give me a name.

[00:22:56]>> Uh, his brother Josh. his brother Josh, his girlfriend Chrissy, um her brother Timmy, anyone associated with him. And >> you're gonna name everybody that's going to come up here and lie on you.

[00:23:08]>> No, I'm just naming people that are associated with J.

[00:23:11]>> I'm telling you, okay, someone was present the day that you had that. And you just named two people that was present in a vehicle with you when you offered someone $500.

[00:23:22]>> Where would I have >> to help?

[00:23:24]>> Sorry. Go ahead. to help you get rid of Heather.

[00:23:29]There's another conversation you had with somebody. You're soliciting to commit murder. That's serious. And I got more than one person telling me that.

[00:23:38]Okay? Listen to me. I got more than one person telling me that. Okay? That don't look good for you. This is your time.

[00:23:47]Okay? Cuz when we go get Josh, okay, it's either you or Josh. So you make your decision. Do you owe Josh that or do you owe your kids that?

[00:23:58]This is the time tonight.

[00:24:02]>> If you're going to sit up here and lie to me, I'd rather you just look at me, okay? And not say a word. But if you're going to continue to lie to me, I'm going to make your life very, very hard.

[00:24:11]I'm just being honest to you cuz I'm trying to give you opportunity, sweetheart, to do the right thing. May have got may have gotten out of hand.

[00:24:20]You got a baby right there you got to think about. If it happened, that's fine. If it's out of anger, that's fine.

[00:24:26]I understand. I'll be pissed off at it, too, because I like this man, and this man constantly goes back to this girl that ain't >> But why would I hurt her is what I don't understand.

[00:24:36]>> Why?

[00:24:36]>> Cuz you can get her out of the way.

[00:24:38]>> But you know what? In two years, me and him have been off and on, off and on.

[00:24:42]>> And you're tired of that.

[00:24:43]>> But now you have a kid from him. From Josh. You have no other kids from Josh, do you?

[00:24:48]>> I've been off and on with Jamie for 10 years.

[00:24:51]>> 10 years. I went >> Let me tell you something. So, you telling me you telling me in the conversation with Christy never happened?

[00:24:57]>> With who? Chrissy.

[00:24:58]>> Mhm.

[00:24:59]>> I never said anything to her. I mean, I was mad.

[00:25:02]>> And I told her that I was pissed off about the whole situation.

[00:25:05]>> Exactly. You never had a conversation with Chrissy to help you?

[00:25:09]>> No, not Chrissy. And >> you never had a conversation with um not Josh. Um the other guy you just met, >> Jason.

[00:25:19]>> Jason. I'm not. No, I don't associate with them.

[00:25:22]>> So why would they tell? Why would that come out?

[00:25:24]>> Because of Jamie. If you knew >> two separate people, >> not two separate people associated with Jamie >> and everybody hates you.

[00:25:33]>> If you only knew.

[00:25:35]>> So you're saying that you never grabbed a knife?

[00:25:37]>> No, I never grabbed a knife.

[00:25:38]>> You never grabbed a handful of her hair?

[00:25:40]>> No, because she would have beat my butt.

[00:25:43]>> Trust me, I'm pregnant. She didn't want me having his kids. She was sit tight and think about this. Okay.

[00:25:48]>> Okay.

[00:25:51]Josh is in another room, by the way.

[00:25:53]>> Okay.

[00:25:57]>> Amelia described Heather as unpredictable, someone who would disappear for weeks at a time and then suddenly return. She portrayed herself as someone trying to stay out of drama.

[00:26:08]But her connection to Joshua kept pulling her back in. At the same time, Heather was the mother of his children, which meant she could never truly be out of the picture. This created a volatile emotional triangle where resentment, insecurity, and competition quietly built over time. And in cases like this, those emotions rarely stay hidden forever.

[00:26:36]>> Hey, did Josh ever talk to you about a letter that Heather supposedly had wrote?

[00:26:50]Just wondering if you know anything about a letter that she was supposed to be giving him custody of the kids or anything like that.

[00:26:57]>> His sister mentioned something to me about it, but not him.

[00:27:00]>> What did she say to you?

[00:27:01]>> Just that Heather had signed a letter saying that if she left, she wanted to know that anytime she came back, she could see the kids.

[00:27:09]>> And who wrote this letter?

[00:27:11]>> I don't know. I haven't seen it.

[00:27:13]>> You never seen the letter? No, I just heard about it. I'm not really close with this family. I mean, >> so why would she tell you about that? He wasn't You're not close to him.

[00:27:22]>> Oh, well, because me and his sister kept contact even when me and him split up in December because of the baby. So, she would just tell me little tidbits here and there.

[00:27:31]>> Well, let me tell you where I'm at, >> okay? But Josh is right there.

[00:27:35]>> Flat iron get lot of mango.

[00:27:37]>> Okay. You're telling me that Josh told you and we're going to go over this again >> that he picked Heather and the kids up from the house or store >> someone's Yeah.

[00:27:50]>> Okay. And he drove him back to his mom's house.

[00:27:53]>> Mhm.

[00:27:54]>> And that he dropped Heather off at the pro.

[00:27:57]>> Yeah. That was my understanding.

[00:27:59]>> He's now saying that that's not what he said. Okay.

[00:28:03]>> That he picked the kids up. Heather was there by herself. He left her there at the house. Okay. Or the store. He went to his mom's house with the kids. And that Heather called him later and said, "Come meet me up at Proed."

[00:28:24]>> Okay.

[00:28:24]>> Okay.

[00:28:26]Does that that don't sound right to you?

[00:28:29]Does that sound like something something's just not right? Do you honestly honestly you think Josh is capable of doing something or would do something to her?

[00:28:37]>> Honestly, no.

[00:28:38]>> Why?

[00:28:38]>> I really don't. Because in 11 years of all the crap they've been through, >> he's beat her ass in 11 years.

[00:28:45]>> Yeah.

[00:28:45]>> I have reports like this where he has threatened her. He's beat her ass and he's pulled a gun on her and Benjamin.

[00:28:53]And that's what he went to jail for.

[00:28:55]>> And that got tossed out.

[00:28:57]>> You know why he got tossed out? Why?

[00:29:00]>> Because Josh's mom called Heather threatening her and Heather went and dropped charges.

[00:29:08]That's why that got tossed out.

[00:29:14]You see where I'm going with this?

[00:29:16]>> I I don't think he be I don't think he would hurt the mother of his kids. I really don't. I mean, after everything, >> she's taking the kids away from him.

[00:29:25]She's tired of getting her ass whooped.

[00:29:27]She's tired of it. She's tired of Josh ruling her life. Yeah, she jumps from man to man. That's clear. That's understand. Okay, we all understand that. That's what she's done. Josh cares more about her. And I'm not trying to hurt your feelings.

[00:29:43]>> Oh.

[00:29:44]>> Than he does you, okay? And he's pissed off because every time she gets with another man, he gets pissed off. That's why he called Jamie and told Jamie to leave her. Called him back and said that we are back together.

[00:30:01]Don't ever call her again.

[00:30:05]Okay.

[00:30:09]Now, there's something in there that I think you know.

[00:30:11]>> Well, Jamie was at my house that night.

[00:30:14]Him and Jason, they showed up at my house at 11:00 drunk.

[00:30:18]>> What night?

[00:30:21]I want to say the 15th because my mom stood at the door. My mom doesn't trust Jamie. Jamie tried to kill me two years ago. And he showed up at the house at 11:00 at night. My mom stood right by the door and listened to everything. And he sat there and he basically, you know how guys are talking crap when they're drunk, that he was going to burn Josh's mom's house down, this and that, because he was started looking like a fool.

[00:30:44]my mom.

[00:30:45]>> He's pissed off because Josh called him and told him that he wanted him to leave that girl.

[00:30:51]>> Well, see, I didn't know any of this.

[00:30:52]>> But now, does it make sense to you? Cuz you say Jamie came to your house and he's telling y'all because he's pissed off. Exactly.

[00:30:59]>> Cuz he's pissed off. Cuz he shows up back to the house and she's not there because she left with Josh and the kids.

[00:31:13]You see where I'm going with this?

[00:31:16]>> And then it doesn't look good when people are telling me that you're soliciting them to get rid of her.

[00:31:28]If you know something, sweetheart, listen to me. And I can't no more straight up to you than this. This is the time because he's not going home tonight. And if he gets you involved in this, you're not going to see your kids again.

[00:31:43]>> But I've been home with my mom.

[00:31:46]>> If you know anything, >> I don't if I >> I'm just telling you, I'm giving you an opportunity right now.

[00:31:52]>> I'm giving you an opportunity right now.

[00:31:54]>> You don't owe him.

[00:31:56]>> I know that.

[00:31:56]>> Okay. Cuz he don't give a Don't he's with you. And I'm going to tell you >> cuz he's not around.

[00:32:02]>> You've heard it. You're pregnant from it. Okay. And she's no longer around. If he couldn't have her, okay, nobody else is gonna have her.

[00:32:13]>> See, I left him two days ago, though.

[00:32:17]>> No, I'm not talking about you.

[00:32:18]>> Oh, I know that.

[00:32:19]>> Talking about with Heather.

[00:32:21]If he couldn't have her, nobody else could.

[00:32:27]>> I just don't think he has a damn to her.

[00:32:30]I really don't. I mean, >> he's a valid, very valid person.

[00:32:35]And I'm just giving you an opportunity Okay. Because of what's in your stomach, you don't need to flush your life because he's unflushed his.

[00:32:44]>> Oh, I know.

[00:32:45]>> Everybody make mistakes and he's made a bad mistake.

[00:32:49]He got pissed off and his rage got the best of him. Okay?

[00:32:55]Don't let his up life up.

[00:33:00]Okay? I'm telling you, he loves her more than he loves you.

[00:33:08]And I'm sorry, but that's just the type of person I am.

[00:33:11]>> Oh, I know.

[00:33:11]>> I'm going to be straight up with you.

[00:33:13]Okay.

[00:33:15]I know that kind of hurts you because it's the truth.

[00:33:19]It just doesn't look good when other people are telling me now in the position that he's in, okay, that you have solicited them to try to get rid of her.

[00:33:28]>> But see, you know, the only reason why St. Jason and Jamie would do that is because part of the reason why Jamie's on felony probation is because I told everything I knew about when he was >> I'm not only talking about them.

[00:33:40]>> I know >> I'm not only talking about them. I'm talking about the incident where you talked to Christie. I'm talking about the incident that that you were in the truck and y'all were going to the store and that's when you offered somebody $500.

[00:33:54]>> See, I'm I'm I'm also talking Just hear me out. Listen to these points that I'm trying to explain to you >> because well, what's >> If I'm looking at it like this, let a jury look at it like this where you you guys are in a triangle.

[00:34:07]>> Oh, that's a mess.

[00:34:08]>> You guys in a triangle. I don't know if y'all all had relationship together, but that's your business if you did. But I'm getting rumors that you guys did. I can care less.

[00:34:17]>> Huh? I can care less. But I'm telling you right now, you guys are in a triangle. And look where it's at.

[00:34:23]>> Okay. You got him leading both of you guys on. You got him loving her more than he loves you. And I'm just being honest.

[00:34:34]He wants her. She don't want him. She want he wants to take the kids, but he knows that's how the only way he can financially support himself is having those kids. Because if she take the kids from him, he got to pay child support.

[00:34:47]Okay.

[00:34:48]>> Well, I know about child support.

[00:34:49]>> He took her credit cards. Did he tell you that? I was under the impression that she left them cuz she was coming back. She's left and came back so many other times.

[00:34:59]>> No, no, no, no, no.

[00:35:02]He took her cards.

[00:35:07]Okay.

[00:35:11]If you think I need to know something, it's probably best that you tell me because I hate to have to come back to you.

[00:35:18]>> Yeah, I know.

[00:35:19]>> Okay. And then put all this weight on you. I'm trying my best because of because of the position >> the position that you were in.

[00:35:27]>> Oh, no.

[00:35:28]>> Okay.

[00:35:28]>> I mean, >> where did he go that night?

[00:35:31]>> How long was he gone? The night that he claimed that he picked the kids up and he met her up at Petro.

[00:35:38]>> You'd have to ask his mom cuz that's where he was living. I was at my mom's.

[00:35:42]>> You didn't talk to him that night >> on the phone.

[00:35:44]>> Did you talk to him the next day?

[00:35:46]>> Yeah, on the phone.

[00:35:47]>> How was he acting after she left?

[00:35:50]>> No. I mean, she's left before and it's always been the same. He just he's like, I don't, you know, got the kids. I'm kind of don't know what I'm supposed to do from here. I was having trouble getting them enrolled in school, you know, kind of that whole confused kind of thing. Don't know what to do cuz he had >> Let me ask you something. As a woman, you and him in a relationship, you got kids together. You call yourself pack my bags and all that. You can have the kids. Okay.

[00:36:20]Do you think I'm going to let your mom type up a letter and just me sign it or am I going to say I sign with my rights to you right now?

[00:36:31]>> Josh, you can have the kids.

[00:36:32]>> She signed a letter back in um August when she got McBen Mcola saying that she was going to give Josh full custody of McKenzie because she couldn't handle her.

[00:36:43]>> McKenzie maybe. And I'm not saying this letter exists.

[00:36:47]>> Yeah, >> maybe. Well, his mom, >> but the boy, >> the boy, she loved that boy.

[00:36:55]Loved that boy. I would never give Josh the boy.

[00:36:58]>> Well, if you talk to if you talk to Robbie and Sandy out at the fish camp in December when everything went down that I left, she made multiple comments to people in the park. And you can question the people in the park that she wanted time for her. She wanted >> Listen to me. I know. I'm just I'm trying to help you out. Also, >> there's no woman on this green earth is going to just pop up and leave two kids. Leave him with her two credit cards. I could understand maybe leaving with the the government card for him to buy food and stuff for the kids, but to leave with the with with the credit card and she has no means of support herself.

[00:37:43]Did he tell you he gave her $500?

[00:37:47]>> Why won't he tell you that? You his girl?

[00:37:49]>> Cuz we weren't together at the time.

[00:37:51]>> Still doesn't matter. He still ain't told you that from this day here. 30 days. He ain't told you that, has he?

[00:37:57]>> I don't ask to be honest with you because me and >> But y'all conversated about her >> a little bit. Yeah.

[00:38:03]>> Okay. And don't you think that would have been that end conversation?

[00:38:08]How much money he did he have around the time that she left?

[00:38:12]I don't know. I don't ask about finances. I was living with my mom.

[00:38:15]>> He weren't giving you no money.

[00:38:17]>> No, he was getting what the baby needed.

[00:38:20]You know, if I needed anything from my other kids, he was providing. But other than that, I don't ask. I mean, we weren't living together or anything. So, >> I hope and pray that you know nothing.

[00:38:36]I think someone that you need to speak a little bit more to >> would probably be Jamie Aum because you mentioned the triangle with me, Josh, and Heather, but it's more of a square because Jamie's got a lot of anger, animosity towards both me and Josh for multiple reasons.

[00:38:56]>> Listen to me. Listen to me. I understand that, but listen to me. Put yourself in my position. Oh, I'm I'm trying to >> Josh is telling everybody that he was the last person with her.

[00:39:12]>> Okay. Why would he say that if he had hurt her?

[00:39:15]>> Huh? Listen to how how he's saying it.

[00:39:18]>> Okay. Tells you and his daughter who's there with him.

[00:39:23]Daddy picked me and mommy up and my brother. We went out to Mim's house. Is that grandma?

[00:39:29]>> Memo.

[00:39:30]>> Memo or the same something like that.

[00:39:32]out to that house. Daddy dropped us off.

[00:39:35]Daddy and mommy left together.

[00:39:38]Okay, that's a child.

[00:39:41]Okay, a 8-year-old child has no reason to lie and and is missing her mom. Okay, >> then you got him saying, "No, I met her up at the store." Okay.

[00:39:56]Picked the kids up, left her there.

[00:39:59]Okay.

[00:40:01]Why would she be calling him back at the pro? Why would she call him back at the house and say, "Hey, come pick me up here."

[00:40:09]>> I don't know.

[00:40:10]>> Cuz that's a lie. It don't make sense.

[00:40:12]>> But >> it doesn't make sense. She's not up at the pro cuz there's no video that shows that.

[00:40:17]>> Yeah.

[00:40:18]>> There's no video that shows him up at the pro. He's lied about a card about using it.

[00:40:24]He's lying. He's in this mix. He knows where she is.

[00:40:30]That's not good.

[00:40:34]That's not good. He knows where this girl is.

[00:40:39]He's playing all you guys. If you know something, it's going to come out.

[00:40:43]>> I've sat in this room many, many years.

[00:40:46]And people sit over there just like you.

[00:40:49]I know nothing. I know nothing. I know nothing.

[00:40:54]And you know what? They know it all.

[00:40:58]And I'm giving you an opportunity cuz I don't want to see you sitting over there for life.

[00:41:02]>> Oh, cuz I'm not gonna be away from my kids. I never know, man.

[00:41:06]>> Okay.

[00:41:07]>> I mean, see, that's >> But I know But I know. And you still ain't own owning up to this.

[00:41:13]You pissed off with Heather. Really didn't like Heather. And I know there's three incidents that occurred where you talked to somebody about doing something, not once, but twice. And then you had an incident with her when you grabbed her.

[00:41:27]>> Okay. The incident where I grabbed her was that two or three nights after he went to jail and I made sure to not have no contact with her after that.

[00:41:36]>> Mhm.

[00:41:37]>> And the only time I rode in the store with Jamie and Jason, I wasn't gone but 10 minutes and they were so drunk that the state trooper almost pulled us over.

[00:41:46]And Jamie and Jason had motive to lie on me.

[00:41:51]>> Why?

[00:41:53]If they have motive, listen to me baby.

[00:41:55]If they got motive to lie on you, they would have come to the police when they knowing that this girl is missing to say that you solicited them.

[00:42:08]>> But see, if I did that, why didn't they come to you guys? Why didn't they come to you and say, "Hey, look, she's soliciting us."

[00:42:13]>> Cuz they're not trying to get you in trouble.

[00:42:16]>> Well, I mean, obviously, if you guys are questioning them and now they're saying this, then why, you know, that's what I don't understand. if I was supposedly solicited.

[00:42:24]>> People may not have taken you seriously is the reason why. But they say it was mentioned. It was said you asked.

[00:42:31]>> See, that's what's got me aggravated though is cuz my mom can tell. You can look at phone records at my mom's house.

[00:42:37]>> I mean, I I can I can't get on my knees and beg you to tell the truth.

[00:42:43]>> But I mean, it just pisses me off because >> I hope you know nothing.

[00:42:47]>> There's personal problems between me and Jamie. But sure, I'm I'm sure it is.

[00:42:53]>> There's personal problems between you and heaven.

[00:42:56]>> Okay.

[00:42:56]>> And that's why I maintained distance after that night on a babysat that we got into the argument. I maintain.

[00:43:02]>> You was going to kick her ass. Pregnant or not.

[00:43:04]>> I wouldn't jeopardize my baby.

[00:43:05]>> But she was You grabbed her.

[00:43:07]>> Mm-m. We were arguing and I told Jamie to get Caleb, let's go. I told him, "Let's go." Trust me, that girl is the type that I put my hands on her count.

[00:43:17]That's what you thought cuz y'all discussed that tonight before y'all left.

[00:43:24]Y'all discussed that to make sure that she wasn't going to call the cops, that you would never put your hands on her again.

[00:43:32]>> According to the story being told, the last time Heather was seen, she had arranged to meet Joshua and hand over the children. From there, the timeline became unclear and inconsistent.

[00:43:43]Different versions of events began to surface. One version suggested she was dropped off at a truck stop. Another claimed she left with an unknown man in a truck. But none of these accounts could be confirmed. Investigators quickly noticed something critical, the details didn't match. And when stories start to shift, it usually means someone isn't telling the truth.

[00:44:10]>> And she agreed not to. And I know that's Jamie talking because Heather's not that kind of a person. Trust me. If I put my hands on her with all the problems that she's had towards >> So why did she drop charges on Josh?

[00:44:23]>> I don't know about that.

[00:44:24]>> I really don't know why she would drop charges, but she's hated me for a long time. And with me and her getting into it, if I had put my hands on her, she'd have been more than happy to have me arrested. All right.

[00:44:47]Hey, >> how are you?

[00:44:49]>> Exhausted.

[00:44:51]>> Okay, you and me both. Okay. Um, I had you brought back up here. Okay. Cuz we developed some new information.

[00:45:00]>> Okay. However, you're not under arrest, but since I had a patrol car bring Huh.

[00:45:05]>> Okay. Okay, since I had a patrol car bring you back up here. Okay. But I need to question you.

[00:45:10]>> Okay. Before I question you, I'm just going to advise you of your Miranda rights. Okay. These rights are just so that you and I can talk.

[00:45:17]>> Mhm.

[00:45:18]>> Okay. You want me to come sit over there and read read it to you?

[00:45:21]>> No. Sorry.

[00:45:22]>> Huh? I'm not going to bite you. Want to make sure you you follow along with me while I'm reading this. Okay.

[00:45:32]And just understand that while I'm reading this to you, you can stop me at any time. Okay. And ask me any questions.

[00:45:38]>> I've been arrested once before. I mean, I >> Okay. You have the right to remain silent.

[00:45:43]>> Mhm.

[00:45:44]>> Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one would be appointed to represent you before any questions if you wish. And forgive me, I'm tired. Okay. You can decide at any time to execute these rights and not answer any questions or make any any statements. You understand thus far?

[00:46:09]>> Okay. Do you understand each of these rights I have explained to you from 1 to five?

[00:46:13]>> Mhm.

[00:46:14]>> Is that yes?

[00:46:16]>> Yeah.

[00:46:17]>> Okay. Having these rights in mind, do you wish it says us here, but do you wish to talk to me now?

[00:46:24]>> I mean, I don't see one. I don't have any.

[00:46:26]>> Okay.

[00:46:28]Initials here and here. Sign here. Print your name right here.

[00:46:58]It's a whole another day.

[00:47:00]>> Mhm.

[00:47:09]>> Let me go get something. I want something. I want you to listen to something, >> okay?

[00:47:13]>> Before we start talking, okay? And I want you to tell me your thoughts after that. Okay?

[00:47:52]I don't know.

[00:47:54]I I don't know how >> when did she tell you this week?

[00:48:07]>> Leave it alone.

[00:48:13]Understand?

[00:48:20]So you never seen her?

[00:48:26]>> But you didn't see her.

[00:48:28]>> But you didn't see her that night. You didn't go back.

[00:48:39]She went over there.

[00:48:46]Stop me at any time.

[00:48:49]>> Okay.

[00:48:52]>> But Josh got you driving the bus.

[00:48:54]>> I don't know that. I don't know.

[00:48:58]I don't know there. I told you she was gone.

[00:49:02]>> He's saying that you told him that.

[00:49:04]>> That's what I was told that she's gone to leave us alone.

[00:49:10]>> And you want to talk to us without your >> This is what he told us.

[00:49:13]>> Is that what you told us?

[00:49:15]>> Okay. I don't hear where he says we told him that >> you told him that.

[00:49:27]>> I'm telling you he told me >> that you told him that.

[00:49:33]>> Okay.

[00:49:35]>> We know that he brought her back to the house that night.

[00:49:37]>> What house?

[00:49:42]>> I was home that night.

[00:49:44]>> Listen. Listen >> 3 weeks late Friday.

[00:49:57]>> See there?

[00:50:02]>> Your heart is about to jump out of your chest >> because I was home at my mom.

[00:50:06]>> Your heart is about to jump out of your chest.

[00:50:08]>> That pisses me off. Okay.

[00:50:13]Don't do this to yourself.

[00:50:15]>> But what?

[00:50:15]>> Don't do this to yourself.

[00:50:17]>> Ask my mom. I was home.

[00:50:19]>> Don't do this to yourself.

[00:50:21]>> What is he saying? I did >> that. You set it up.

[00:50:24]>> Set what up, though. I mean, cuz all I heard him say was that I didn't even hear him say where he left her. At what house?

[00:50:32]>> No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen to listen. Listen here. Okay. You're trying to backpedal out of this. No, I'm trying to I didn't really hear.

[00:50:39]>> I'm telling you that he said that you told him that you guys took care of Heather and for him not to worry about her anymore.

[00:50:51]>> Who's you guys?

[00:50:53]>> You.

[00:50:54]>> But how if I was home?

[00:50:57]>> He knows. And he told me about the incident about you grabbing Heather at the house when you supposed to be babysitting and put the knife to her throat.

[00:51:05]>> He was in jail. Exactly. Okay.

[00:51:08]>> Because he even told >> but he knows about it >> because he said >> listen let's let's not entertain that.

[00:51:13]Let's not entertain that because I'm telling you right now he's admitted to his stuff. He lowered up but he he chose you know what I think I need to tell you all the truth. That's why you're back in here.

[00:51:25]>> Okay. But what I'm trying to tell you is you can question my mom, my sister. You can even question Penny Salvo cuz she was at my mom's house that night. What night?

[00:51:36]>> February 15th. The day after Valentine's Day that supposedly she left the day after Valentine's Day. February 15th.

[00:51:46]Because they came over there.

[00:51:48]>> Let me explain something to you, sweetheart.

[00:51:50]Okay.

[00:51:52]Just explained to you earlier when you were here in here today.

[00:51:55]>> Mhm.

[00:51:55]>> That you had been soliciting people to do something to her.

[00:52:01]hearsay.

[00:52:03]>> You call it what you want. I'm >> just >> You call it what you want, lawyer. Okay, we ain't back down here to have a picnic.

[00:52:10]>> I know this, but see, this is why I'm upset is because >> you can be upset all you want to. I'm telling you right now, your boyfriend has thrown you under under the bus. He's admitted to lying. He's admitted, okay, that he is involved in this and knows about it, okay?

[00:52:34]>> And that you know about it. Now, you can sit here and play this game all you want. I told you the first time when I held your hand and I looked you square in the eye and I told you this is your opportunity to come clean and be straight.

[00:52:53]>> Okay? Okay. But what I'm trying to tell you is >> I'm going to get up and walk out of this room if you lie to me.

[00:52:57]>> I was >> You ain't back down here for nothing.

[00:52:59]>> I know this. I was home.

[00:53:02]>> Okay. Is it >> you can listen to every jail phone call, >> okay, >> back and forth between me and him where he has hinted at, when I get out, things are going to be different between me and you. You don't have to worry about her messing with us anymore.

[00:53:15]>> Did he give you $1,000?

[00:53:17]>> As questioning continued, pressure began to build. Investigators confronted Amelia with rumors, claims that she had argued with Heather, and even allegedly tried to involve others in harming her.

[00:53:30]Amelia denied everything. But the situation revealed something deeper.

[00:53:36]This wasn't just about a missing person anymore. It had turned into a psychological battle. Fear, denial, and self-preservation began to take over.

[00:53:46]Because when multiple people are emotionally entangled, truth becomes harder to separate from manipulation.

[00:53:54]>> From where? I put up 1,700 for his lawyer so he could get out of jail.

[00:53:59]>> Mhm.

[00:54:00]>> I put up $1,700.

[00:54:02]>> Mhm.

[00:54:02]>> Where was he going to give me $1,000?

[00:54:05]>> Paid your money back, didn't he?

[00:54:06]>> No, he didn't.

[00:54:07]>> When he got when he got his tax?

[00:54:08]>> No, he didn't.

[00:54:09]>> He didn't give you $1,000 >> cuz his taxes went straight to his lawyer because he had to sign a waiver so she could cash the check. Okay.

[00:54:16]>> And when he got a check for $1,000, he asked me whether or not we wanted to try to work things out and live together.

[00:54:24]>> He never told you that. I'm sorry. So, you never told You never told him to not to worry about her anymore. It's taken care of.

[00:54:33]>> If you listen to the jail, >> we're not talking about jail phone calls. He He was out of jail then. He was out of jail.

[00:54:38]>> No, I didn't. And I was home because you can question my mom, my sister, you can question Penny Salv and her son because they were at my house that night because Josh was calling from his liar cell phone.

[00:54:51]>> So he's a flat out liar if he's trying to involve you in her death.

[00:54:54]>> Yeah. And you know that's got me really upset right now because I have kids I have to take care of. I've done it on my own. Why am I going to risk throwing my life away over someone who we were just screwing around off and on for two years?

[00:55:09]I'm violently.

[00:55:10]>> Okay, leave us to that. Let's go back to the point and I and this just me for self.

[00:55:15]>> Uhhuh.

[00:55:17]>> The issue between you and Heather and you grabbing her hair and a knife.

[00:55:22]>> What about there was an argument and I asked to leave.

[00:55:26]>> You never grabbed her hair?

[00:55:27]>> I didn't grab her hair. He called me from jail and told me that she said that. That her and Jamie said that. But see, if you ask the people in the park, Jamie had been at that house from the day after Josh got arrested.

[00:55:40]Jaime's been out to ruin my life. Every relationship I've had.

[00:55:44]>> You're not saying Jamie's saying this.

[00:55:46]>> I know because that's what she told him.

[00:55:48]>> Josh is saying this >> cuz he asked me about it. And I told him I said, "Josh, don't you think if I have pulled a knife on her, I'd be sitting on the other side of county jail?"

[00:55:54]>> Said the reason why you didn't reason why she didn't is because you're pregnant and she didn't want to see you go to jail with that babe. And I highly doubt that because if anything, she didn't want me to have this baby.

[00:56:11]Okay, sit tight a second.

[00:56:31]Where is he?

[00:56:42]I'm serious.

[00:56:44]>> Sorry. SP came to me and told me that you had some new information that you want to talk to me about.

[00:56:52]No one has promised you anything.

[00:56:54]Correct.

[00:56:56]No one's coerced you in any way. This is all voluntary and your free will to talk to us to me. Correct.

[00:57:05]>> You understand that your rights still apply?

[00:57:07]>> Yeah.

[00:57:08]>> Okay.

[00:57:10]You got to tell me the truth from point A to Z.

[00:57:16]Okay.

[00:57:18]Tell me.

[00:57:20]>> It hit me when you said something in the other room about my mom's back trailer.

[00:57:28]Py said something about in that trailer.

[00:57:31]And um the night after the 15th, he was at my window at 5:00 a.m. He only calls and he >> What time was it?

[00:57:43]>> It was like 5 5:30 cuz he normally goes to work >> in the morning.

[00:57:47]>> Yeah.

[00:57:47]>> So you're saying it to be the 16th?

[00:57:51]>> Yeah. The morning of the 16th. He came to that door.

[00:57:54]>> That would be Monday morning.

[00:57:56]>> Mhm. And he knocked. I said, "What are you doing if it was cold? I wasn't coming to the door. It was cold. And he said, "Well, I just came by and tell you I love you to work." I said, "Okay." And I kind of thought it weird ask because he was calling me everyone before he went to work was last week things got really really tense between me and him. And I kept telling him things can't if we're just going to argue we're going to go home.

[00:58:26]last week when like just this last week or the week before she went missing because you kind of skipped skipped the romance.

[00:58:33]>> Over the last week and a half, this last week and a half things have been really tense. And every time I mentioned going home to my mom, he would tell me, "I wouldn't do that. You're not going to take her. Heather took my kids from me."

[00:58:47]And I asked him, "What are you talking about?" And he told me, "You don't want to come miss him like she did." I said, "Missy, you said she's in Mississippi."

[00:58:55]he was she's closer to be seen and we kind of got into it and that's when he told me that he I don't know if he said he strangled or he choked her or whatever but he said he did that and that he was in a back trailer. Now see what I don't understand is when he told me that he killed her. I don't know where but I know he had her in my mama's back trailer is what he told me. She wouldn't come there willingly. There's no way that I would come.

[00:59:26]>> How would he get into that trailer?

[00:59:27]>> It doesn't lock. See, we store stuff back there and the door. It doesn't lock. It doesn't even lock.

[00:59:33]>> Which door?

[00:59:34]>> The only one that we use, me and my mom.

[00:59:36]It's the closest one.

[00:59:40]>> If this is the trailer, this is your house. It's here. And you walk up to the trailer to >> the first door >> on which side?

[00:59:47]>> The left.

[00:59:48]>> On this side here.

[00:59:49]>> Yeah.

[00:59:50]>> Okay. And this would be the back side.

[00:59:51]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:59:53]>> And he cher, strangled her, whatever. He told me he choked the [ __ ] out is what I was told.

[01:00:00]>> Are you just telling me this because I told you?

[01:00:03]>> Well, because what you said >> about the choking incident? Is that something >> when you mentioned the trailer was when it clicked in my head. Oh my god. He wasn't playing. Cuz he's he says things just to kind of scare you a little bit sometimes.

[01:00:18]>> Why didn't you tell me all this in the beginning? because I didn't put two and two. I thought he was full of crap. And then when you said something about my mom's back trailer is when it clicked in my head and that's when I asked to talk to detective spying and I just >> that was a while in between that though.

[01:00:37]It wasn't like right after it was it was some time which would be >> because I sat there and I thought about >> you believe that you said you thought about it for a while.

[01:00:45]>> Yeah. because I didn't put two and two together until you sat there and you said something when you walked out there myself and I started thinking about everything he'd been telling me about if I were to pull something with this baby he's going to do what he did to her.

[01:01:01]Now I asked myself, "Well, where is she?" "Well, you know the gator's in Orange Lake. You know they digest bones." I assumed he meant he's there in the lake.

[01:01:14]As I went out to ask him where she's just closer than you think. She's closer than you think. I'm hoping and praying to God she's not in my mom's backyard because that's sick.

[01:01:27]But I'm scared. his mom always.

[01:01:33]She will hurt me if >> Why Why will she hurt you?

[01:01:37]>> That's her baby.

[01:01:40]That's her baby.

[01:01:41]>> Give Give me something that would make me believe.

[01:01:45]>> She came to my mom's house the I don't know if it was the night before when we went to get his car. There was an incident where we had to go to Jamie Aram's house to get his car. She came to my mom's house that night and my mom was outside and my sister was outside and she sat there and she cussed me left right and sideways and told me if I ever sit in front of her property she would kill me because I'm nothing but a freaking [ __ ] This and that.

[01:02:12]His mother does not like me. His mother thought I was in cahoots with Heather to put me in jail. When I told detectives why it was the gun now that happened in January was my father's. He came to pick it up the day I think the day the incident happened cuz he got arrested the next day. He was supposed to clean it as a surprise from my mom. He asked me if I had shells and I told him no.

[01:02:39]Had he had shells, I wouldn't know that he had killed her.

[01:02:44]If you know all this has transpired and knowing the potential he has to carry this out and we're talking to you and I'm telling you this information about what he's saying about you being involved about her body maybe in your in your backyard.

[01:03:07]Why is it after I I confront you about her being choked is now that I mean you didn't say she was shot. You didn't say she was stabbed. You said exactly what I told you >> because that's what I've heard. Like every time he's ever domestically assaulted her, he's choked her. He's choked her. And when you said something about the trailer and him choking her was when it clicked. Oh my god. He wasn't playing.

[01:03:34]>> Why you tell me that? Hey, I heard or he told me this or he came. That's something significant.

[01:03:41]>> Hold on a second. That's something very significant that he come.

[01:03:46]>> Then everything changed. After hours of questioning, Amelia began to shift her story. She revealed a disturbing claim that Joshua had come to her in the early morning, acting strange, and eventually admitted something horrifying. According to her, he confessed to killing Heather.

[01:04:06]She described a chilling detail, saying he had choked her and that her body might not be far away. At that moment, the case took a dark turn because this was no longer just a disappearance. It was now a potential murder with multiple people connected and the truth finally starting to surface.