Appalachian women Verna Mae and Florida Slone discuss how traditional stories like Rapunzel and Rumpelstiltskin were told with different names in their region (Rapunzel became 'Rapun' and Rumpelstiltskin became 'Tom Tit Tot'), and share stories about their childhood experiences in Baptist churches where women faced restrictions such as not being allowed to speak, sit in front seats, or wear pants, while also recounting humorous and violent folktales passed down through generations.
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Added:school you know in March is going to be uh the title of it is Mothers Daughters women across generation let's see cross generation cross cultures so it's wanting to deal with stories that women may have passed down to their daughters and granddaughters like that and stories that may have taught well you want real stories that are classical stories or you just want stories pertain to your own family either one both why I like course they told a lot of those stories you know that now like RL stillin they called it uh Tom tit tot nlon nlon not my name is Tom tit tot they're all a little different and they said uh what was it instead of cinderell I don't remember I know I've heard of Cinder they use the word Ash somewh another Ash P Ash Annie or something like that do you remember that story well it's just the same you know just the same do you remember being told that story sure you know all those old fire stories you know and Beauty and the Beast and what was that was that the sign Beauty and the be the sign and the Tom tit tot was the same only it's Rumble stelin now and it Tom T tot and the lady who let down her herir what is her name rapun rapun what was it we called her do you it was a different name though but you were told all those stories those stories I remember one about the um mik kill mik with the real M kill Mike with the railroad spike you ever he that uhuh now this was old I remember hear there was a lot of uh what was the other fell at Mike and there was two archman there was a lot of stories told on them you see they were walking along the railroad track I bet that's the same one Mike kill Mike with a railroad spot see these two Washman are walking along the railroad track mhm and uh they'd walk they was real tired and everything and so they got in an argument so one of them he picked up his railroad's back and he hits the other over the head and kills him well after he kills his buddy while he goes on and he feels awful of it his old woman sweeping the yard out this big two-story building and so he asked said can I stay here tonight and she said yeah so he goes upstairs and lays down and this big clock you know he a ticking sitting in the window ticking going tick tock tick tock and he thought the clock was saying m k m with the railroad back m k m with the railroad back and he said if you don't hush up I'm going to he didn't know what the clock was he said if you don't hush up I'm going to kick you out here and break your back so that Old Clock just kept right on ticken so he jumps out and he kicks that clock and goes Plum out the window and hits that old woman in the back she hards out oh Lord you broke my back he said I told you I'd break your back you he didn't that's they had a lot of those on and there was one if I can just remember it uh this old Aran he was going through this uh this uh field if I can just remember someone know there was a a m in that field and he there was a lot of big pumpkins and he thought oh yeah I've he those pumpkins was my eggs and he got him one he was going to hatch him out and so he'd have him a marit ride and he was going along through there uh curage you know and he dropped it and he rolled down the fire Shack and a rabbit run out he took after that rabbit to run it down yeah [Laughter] he's I'll tell you A lot of them had a little dirty stuff in them that we'd have to leave we left out some now buddy I'm not educating you you first May out and put a beeper then there was two old arhm go along one time walk and and since we've got on har and they didn't know what a clock was and uh this guy he asked man said what is a clock a watch he said a it's just a little old Ram thing with hands and said uh it tells the time you know so he goes on and he says I hope I can find me a watch so he uh F looks down he sees a little tarping crawling little round tarping so he picks it up and puts it in his pocket he was just scratching like everything w't get out of his pocket so he walks on and he want to be real big so he comes to this other guy and this other guy said hey mister you know what time it is he said yeah it's 12:00 scratching like the devil to get to [Laughter] 13th I'll tell you a true story about little Tarpon uh when you see my four four older kids are a lot older than my youngest one and uh uh he was about ly was about six I guess five or six and me and him was going out to visit my sister out in Virginia and Willie had to work he couldn't go and when I went I usually stayed a week or two weeks or something that know and then one of the older boys and one of his cousins was going to stay here and they going to put a fence up for us and and be here to cook for whing you know when he come in from work and uh ly had this little bitt little bitty Turtle Tarpon or whatever you call them the little hard shell kind had about that big and all he thought the world of it and he kept it in my washtub between worh dayss and then on worh day he'd put it in in my jar and he fed it and he he didn't much want to go with me he left to go out in Virginia but he didn't want to go afraid something happened to his little turtle so he counseled my older son and my his cousin oh he Cel now you feed it you feed it you take care of it and you put water into it and he and after even after he got out in the car he haul back now watch out take care of my turtle a while they he was gone they was out doing this fence they found one I believe that the biggest one I ever saw in my life it was that big so the day they knew we was going to come back they slipped his little one out and put in the jar and put that old big in the tub he come back oh that's the first place he run to that tub and he's oh brother I wish you hadn't FedEd so much you can bleep that up did you have any um did you have any stories about um funny stories about women I'd have to think a while when you I told you most of them has a little dirty that we wouldn't want to tell we're not dirty minded but most of them did didn't yeah had a story a lot of the riddles would you know a good riddle can you give us a riddle like I say most of them would have a little they'd sound dirty oh I know good R real rocket one my mouth and two in my pocket what is that with me it'd be a hole not it's chew to backer or you can say t and gum you know or what's around is a crooked is rain bone teeth like cat guess all day and you can't guess that you bet it's a bra could you tell Tom tit to name you think you could remember that to tell we it's just like rum stillin only they call him Tom to to my name is Tom tit top nton n not my name is Tom tiow was there um what was your favorite story as a child my father used to tell one but I've tried to remember it and I've asked a lot of people it was about a robber I believe his name was robber Sam and they would give him certain things to do that would seem like the impossible but he would do it but I've asked a lot of people that that collects these old stories and they can't remember it exactly I know one thing he was supposed to I guess it was the King was going to hang him if he didn't do certain things and he was supposed to get the we call them caps the leads off of the stove while the people was cooking so he went and got him some rabbits have you heard the story and he'd open the door and let one rabbit in at a time and these Cooks took him to catch them and he stole the caps and then he was supposed the next thing there was a lot of things he supposed to do but one he was supposed to steal the sheet off of the bed where the this man was sleeping so he got this dead man and stuck him up at the window and you know stuck him up there and went and made a noise and this fell that's in the bed jumped up and shot him shot the dead man and he just let him fall run off and he run out there and and oh he said wife said I've killed this fell said I've got to do something other with him I've got to bring or something I said or they you know he didn't want to get caught that he'd killed this man and she uh so while he was doing that the robber run in pretending to be the man of the house run in said oh said give me the sheet so I'm going to roll that man up in it I'm going to bring so that's the way he got the sheet and it was just on and on different things have you heard that I don't think I have but I can't remember it I can't never find anyone that remember hearing a story about a robbers but it was different Lord sort of different from that I wish I could remember all that and there was just several things he was supposed to do but always got them done you know this one was about a a no me did you want that n you this old mu you see he's getting too old to work and they was going to just you know wouldn't feed him or nothing so he got out and started down the road and he said if they don't feed me or nothing I'm going to leave so he started down the road and he come down there and he his rooster sitting up on a uh gate crawing and he said why you crawl for a rooster he said they going to be a wedding in here tomorrow and going to kill me and have chicken and dumpkins and he said well come on go with me so the old rooster took off with him he come down there old cat sitting down on the poster me he said what you me for uh cat said well I'm getting too old hunting they won't feed me so he said come on go with me so he went on down there's no dog sitting there howling he said why you howling for a dog said well said D I'm getting too old to hunt and he won't feed me he said come on go with me he said better go with me and start did so they go down there and all of them together lined up so there was an old building a way out to itself they thought well now this m said let go out there so they went out there and the M said it's don't go in said now there may be somebody in there robbers or something so he got up to the win winter and peeped in and it was this big lunch of robbers they' robbed the bank and they sitting in there had all the money accounting it so they planning now how can we get rid of them robbers so the dog the mu said well said you get on my back mu and the cat got on top of the dog's back rooster got on top of the cat they all just Landing right through the window when they all hit the floor the old M went kicking and the dog barking and Cat me rooster cro so all these old robbers they run off and left their money laying there well Way Long about to Breaking daylight one of these men said we have went through too much we can't leave that money so he sends one back you know to find out if the house is empty so he goes back and he's in you know and so he looks and he see the cat's eyes on the gra so he struck a match and that cat just tore him all pieces you know well that the time the cat scratched him that Disturbed the dog and the dog bit him he went out the door and about the time he got in the yard the MU kicked him and then the rooster crowed so he went back just to Flying and that men said what happened said well I said there's a witch other great tore me all pieces The Man Behind the Door sto me with a knif one out in the yard hit me with a mall and one on top of the house said throw him up here to me and I got away before he call me would' you hear that my uncle used to tell that and then we used to yeah he used to tell a story about big Claus and little Clauson did you ever hear oh yeah I I was just thinking I've told it big Claus and little claw Sal long to my grandchildren you know just to have they get so interested in that but it was really big Claus mov CL with uhhuh you want no uh that's what I usually call any man if he got a child that looks just like them I'll say that's big claws and little claws yeah you want that n well one time there was two men and one was named big claw would you start again okay one time there were two men and one was named big uh Clawson and little Clawson and Lil Clawson was real poor he didn't have any cattle or anything big CLA was real Rich so every time big crowd of church people go by you know he holl hey out there all my fine candel so big CL big I say CL big CL said well said if uh if you say that again said I'm going to get out there and kill all you cattle and horses too so he kept hollering that and he went out and killed knocked him in the head so uh little CL he went and picked up all the uh hid's cattle and his skin them and he went downtown so when he went down past half why he see this woman she was baking cakes and U and uh everything so he went on and she asked her for something eat she said no so he started to leave and so her husband come so her husband said yeah I said come on in eat with me so he went in he sat down so he just pulls out all these old hides and pitches them on the table and this guy looks at him said what is that he said that's dreamers and he said well make it dream some so he screeched his foot over it and it made a big sound he said said what did that say he said there's a devil in the trunk so this old man said look old woman and see so what he looked it was there's a man in there so uh he said make it dream some more so he scraped it over and it scraped again he said what did it say then said cake in the cover he said look oh woman see and he looked he said yeah and so he said I'll tell you what I'll do I give you two barels of money to take this devil and dump him in the ocean and so he put this old man up in the whe bar and he took off with you know and he got out there and this old man said if you want dump in the ocean I'll give you four barrels of money so he said well you heaping them up yeah so he took the this old man's money and went back and big chy HED out said where in the world did you get all that money he said well said uh downtown said there's hides for sale and said I sold all M so he went in killed every horse and CLE had and he went downtown H and hides for sale hides for sale they got out and run him out of town so when he come back while he said I'm going to kill you little cha so he went his grandmother died little close his grandmother died so he was have taking her downtown to you know to bur so he had her sitting up in this wagon this guy he walks out and offers her a drink and she won't take it so he didn't know she was dead so he h hit her and she just fell out so little CLA went to cry said all right said you kill my grandmother he said if you won't hurt me said I'll give you four barrels of money he said okay so he took the money and he went back he said little close where in the world you get all that money he said well I said uh corpses for sale down town so I sold my grandmother and got back in with all this money so he down killed both his grandmothers went downtown you know haing Corps for sale they got out running out of town so he comes back and he says little CH I'm going to get rid of you for good he puts him in a big sack and takes him out to the edge of the ocean and he goes to hunt a rock to throw him out in the ocean so when he uh was a hunt that rock here come an old man by with a big horse and big lot of cattle so he said where you where are you going little CL and he said well I'm going to H he said what it let me go and you take all this he said okay so he put that old man down that sack and tied him up you know and he got on his big horse and rode off so when he went back to the house for big CL was sitting there and he said look CL I thought I drowned you he said yeah you did I went to heaven and they giving out cattle and horses and I got my part and come back so he said I want to go there he said okay said if you want to go said I'll take you there so he hunts him a big sack he gets down in he hunts a big rock little CL he just walks out pictures him out in that ocean then little CL live happy ever after where do you think that story came from uh my uncle said his uh father his great uncle used to tell him stories like where did he come from where did his great uncle come from do you no I don't do you know what country your family is from either one of you from Ireland Ireland M I didn't know that so these Irishman tals are sort of tals on yourself how about no Irish women it's funny to me because so many of the stories are about man mhm yeah that's the only way we can get even with them what about the church what's it like being an AER Baptist Church being a woman how's it what's special about being a woman and no Baptist and other churches don't don't let Florida tell you that we've both been there we know what it's like well um to be a woman and to be in that church well to be me I'm just speaking for myself you know I ain't going to speak speak for nobody else cuz I don't know but I'm just speaking for myself they ain't room for me the church house is empty when you go there but there just so many of us they not room for us you know here on Earth you know what I'm trying to say there's one church that you go to that there plenty of room and that's the Jesus Christ in your soul you can go there and there's plenty of room for us all ain't it's like the little joke they tell about the little boy that tried to get in the different churches and he went down the road and he met Jesus and Jesus asked him said what are you crying about he said I've tried getting every one of them churches and I can't get in Jesus said well I've tried for many a year and I can't get in either it's a joke but it's true what are some what are some of the rules about women in the Way Baptist Church well they won't let us talk and you know what that does to me in Florida if we're not allowed to talk you're you're not even allowed to uh if you're accused of something you're not even allowed to to defend yourself you have to get someone else to defend well I wasn't even allowed to sit in the front seat if I ever sit down in the front seat they come and I I've been ordered to the back seat different times I never would say sure they've ordered me to the back seat you know I like to sing and I couldn't hear and they'd order me to and uh you know we didn't we didn't come out of the church they just withdrew from us we just they didn't even you see according to the Bible they were supposed to come and talked to us then they supposed to have sent two of the brothers should have come and talked to us but they didn't they just come and two of them and come and talk to us and they said that that if they just wasn't ready for the truth that's what the brother little brothers and the Lord said that they wasn't ready for the truth and they just went back and the next thing we know they withdrew from us Austin just want to get up and talk to him you know but I Found Jesus praise God I don't I don't have to I don't Church no honeyy I don't need them anymore if you if you can't defend yourself who does you nobody you're supposed to get your uh your husband or or your uh father brother some of the family if not just some neighbor yeah how what's it like inside the church how do you sit well well one thing I object to is uh because they put they have the even the floor is raised up 2 feet or more and the ones that belongs to the church sits in front on this platform and the other sit in the back I don't like that the women on the left the men on the right it's not it's uh you know that's not forced that the women sits on one side and the men the other and but it's they're supposed to I believe they're good people in there oh I know there's good people what about the way you dress and and well we're not supposed to wear pants and we have to have our hair long they said told me that supposed to wear jewelry yeah they told me said they pants on the war and that was stumbling blocks but now you just imagine walking into a store and saying well I want to buy a pair of stum blocks what other ways are women treated differently when you were growing up how what how were women treated that was different from men well men thought there's a Boston us but they were not we well Austin's not here I can talk where he want to just don't play you beep when you come to that not really the back in them days the women
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