In interfaith dialogue, having a higher moral standard does not automatically make a religion true; the truth of a religion must be established through its own internal logic, historical evidence, and theological claims rather than external moral comparisons.
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So your question is why should you be a Christian? Well, you know I think the moral standard I think the way we learn how to get closer to God and we reflect him properly. We learn that through Jesus.
>> So huh I said okay.
>> So just more of a moral standard. I know who I was before I was in Christ. I was somebody that that was wicked.
>> But I can say the same thing about myself with Islam.
I I'll be honest, bro. I I I do like you, bro. And I watch you uh one of chosen. I think I think uh I think you there's times where you show sincerity, and I love it. I I love Muslims. Muslims are looking for the same thing I was looking for. We're looking for God.
We're looking for peace. We're looking for truth.
Uh but I'll be honest, bro. The way you treat people on here, especially being like that that Indian dude, you know, that was a little racist, bro. So you >> there is nothing racist about that, dude. There is >> you did the neck thing, bro. You come on. Come on. Let's be mature.
>> Nothing racist about that.
>> Oh, I I don't want to argue that. I don't want to argue that though, bro. I really don't. But I'll be honest.
You reflect your God.
>> I don't. Not at all. No, >> you do.
>> No.
No.
>> He reflect You reflect who your prophet is, right? He He's supposed to be the greatest example of humanity. Correct.
>> He is the greatest example of humanity.
>> Well, that's my actions don't reflect him.
>> No, but you do reflect it because it's you follow.
>> No, they don't.
>> So, you're telling me your your moral standards in your book don't change you?
>> Of course, they change you.
>> So, you're reflecting your book. That's what I'm saying.
>> So, is am I reflecting my God or my prophet or my book? Which one is >> is the word of God? You see?
>> Okay. So again, am I am I leading you to a better place?
>> Okay. But again, you went from you are representing your God to you are representing your prophet to you are reflecting your book. Which one am I reflecting? I am a reflection of myself.
I choose whether I want to be like the prophet Muhammad. I choose whether I want to follow what certain um whether I want to do halal or haram. Those are all decisions I make. And those uh decisions that I make, they have no reflection upon Islam. Islam does not need me. I need Islam.
[snorts] So yeah, the same thing. Christ doesn't need me. He wants me. He loves me. And you know our paradigm. We believe that he he uh unal alived on the cross for us.
>> Okay. How's that love?
>> How's that love? Yeah.
>> It's degraded. In the Bible, it says it's the greatest sacrifice because for us to be we're we're separated from God through what we do, which is our sin. So through Christ, he became that that perfect example. Like you you guys claim that Muhammad's the perfect example.
>> Yes.
>> Jesus Jesus is that perfect example.
Jesus is that perfect example.
>> Yeah. Okay. No sin. No sin. No lust.
>> Okay.
>> None of that.
>> So why don't you unal alive yourself the way that Christ did?
>> Cuz I don't need to. He already did. He >> Why not? But if he >> I'm not perfect.
>> That's who you follow. Correct.
>> I'm not sinless.
Neither was he. He took on all sin. Did he not?
>> Yeah. But he was sinless. He took on the >> How do you take on all sin and you're still sinless? That makes no sense.
What's your what's what do you think his sin that when it says he took on all sin? You think he committed all those sins?
>> No, he took them on. The burden of those sins became his. He took Yeah, it became his.
>> So he had all the sins of the world on him. Correct.
>> Cuz he was the perfect sacrifice.
>> Did he still have all the sins of of humanity put on him?
>> Yes. Okay.
>> For us. So his human nature had all of the sins of humanity put on him.
>> Yeah. But you don't understand.
>> So then he wasn't sinless.
>> He was sinless.
>> So how did he take how did >> how did he take on all sin?
>> Only the perfect only the perfect can do that. Can you take on all the sin if you wanted to?
>> Absolutely not. Which is why it's a fairy tale. It's literally Greek mythology.
>> It's not It's not a fairy tale, bro.
What if I told you that there was gods before Christ that took on the sins of of the world and and died the same way for again? I've heard your I heard your uh I heard if if you believe that then you believe also like like you're going to disprove your Quran because it even talks about the crucif you know the Quran proves crucifixion right? Oh, the only the only difference is the only difference is you think that Allah again deceived them and made it appear like it was but it still proves in the seventh century that's a proof that's evidence that Christ was on the cross. So >> the Quran literally denies that Jesus was ever on the cross. Okay.
>> Okay. But it is still pro but does it does it mention that it appeared?
>> Did it say he made it appear? So that's even proof in itself. What? That it appeared?
>> Yeah. Even even the mention of Christ supposedly he said he made it look like he was crucified, right? Is am I right?
>> No, it says it was made it was made to appear onto them.
>> That that Christ was crucified, right?
>> Yes. it appeared onto the onlookers.
>> That's still just because it doesn't say Christ was is still evidence outside of the Bible that there was something in that sort that happened. Right now, my belief is that the Quran is negating the that that claim. What are you talking about?
>> I know, but it still said it and made it appear that Christ was crucified.
>> And how does that mean he's crucified?
[laughter] Okay. But it it doesn't mean you're right. Right. It doesn't like >> How did that No, no. Wait, wait, wait.
Rewind. You said the Quran agrees with the crucifixion. I said, "Okay, where then?" You said it was it was appeared.
It was shown. I said, "Okay." And Okay.
How does that prove a crucifixion?
>> It's still It's still It's still outside of the Bible.
>> People believe Do the people Did people get deceived and believe Christ was brother? They they used to depict [laughter] Jesus on a cross with a donkey as a head.
>> I don't know that. [clears throat] >> Does Does that mean that Jesus had a donkey head?
>> No. But but >> Okay. So when the Quran says that he was not crucified, that means he was not crucified.
>> Just in that one just in that that even what you just brought up that was in 15 AD they found that before the gospels were written, right?
>> So that's also proof that Christ was on the cross.
>> Oh my. They're mo they're mocking you for believing in that.
>> How does that prove he was on THE CROSS?
>> EVEN IF THEY'RE mocking Jesus, it proves Jesus was on the cross.
>> How does them mocking you prove he was on the cross?
>> In 50 AD, the what you brought up was is dated back to 50 AD before the >> I know when it's dated to.
>> How does a group of people mocking you for what you believe make the belief?
Even in that, that's evidence that Christ was on the cross.
>> Oh my lord. How how does somebody mock him on the cross?
>> How does someone mocking a belief system make the belief system true?
>> Why would that why would you mock something that's >> because it's a stupid belief.
>> It's a st it was before the it was in the in 50 AD. Same thing with Quran 7th century. They're bringing up the They're bringing up the issue saying that we were deceived. Allah made it that we were deceived.
>> Paul said the same thing on the cross.
Brother Paul said the same thing.
>> Why would Why would Allah make it appear Jesus was uh >> the same way the father did.
>> But I I'm don't don't don't jump. I'm asking you a question.
>> I'm and I'm responding with the same way that God the Father portrayed it onto the Galatians in Galatians chapter 3.
>> [snorts] >> But the question was though, the question was why should you be a a Christian, right?
>> And you went to the crucifixion and then you you're arguing. Why did Allah make it appear?
>> You went there. You said I I told you >> I didn't go to the crucifixion.
>> I gave you the gospel and then you you jumped to you jumped and said there's other gods that that that unal alive on the cross. But evidence in who you follow, right? in your religion, >> brother. What the what are what are you saying? You're going from crucifixiction to there's [laughter] evidence in what you thought.
>> Like what are you on about?
>> I'm talking I'm going back to what we talked about.
>> Are are you abandoning the the crucifixion argument?
>> No, I'm not I'm not abandoning.
>> Okay. The last question you asked me was why did Allah make it appear, right?
>> Yeah. But I didn't come in here to I didn't come in here for a debate. But brother, you're not here to you're not here to evangelize.
>> No, you asked, "Why should I be a Christian?"
>> Yes, >> that's evangelizing.
>> And you're not giving a valid reason.
You asked me a question.
>> I said the moral standard in our book compared to yours is different. Right.
>> Cool. Let's grant that you have a higher moral standard. I'll grant it. How does that make your religion true?
>> Well, your book confirms that, right?
>> Oh, Lord, I just granted you that your book I know.
>> Has a higher moral standard. How does that make your religion true?
>> You just you just asked how does that make it true? I said your your Quran confirms it. So if it's not true >> Oh my god, dude. Oh my god.
I grant I'm granting you have a higher moral system than Islam. Cool. How does that make your religion true?
How?
Because the Quran confirms I I just granted you I I granted you everything.
These Christian w these Christians are slow, bro. Like, oh my lord. Oh my lord. And you guys ask why I be crashing out or brother, I got to deal with these pagans on a day-to-day basis.
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