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[00:08:37]Greetings. Good evening. Good evening. We are live. Emé Kandou says good evening to me, Mama Pamela. The sound is 5/5. Thank you very much. I'm still waiting for confirmation from other people. If the sound is 5/5, let me know in the comments. We are returning to this subject of the withdrawal of the 23rd.

[00:09:01]the lion of Saramboé. Why did they withdraw from Sangé? So, today we'll be talking with an expert from this area who will tell us about the reasons why they withdrew.

[00:09:12]Is this the end of the FC23 war? Is FM23 no longer able to compete? Why aren't they moving forward? Why do they keep withdrawing? Withdraw withdrawal withdrawal withdrawal. For what? Is this a strategy? What's wrong with Live 23? We'll be discussing these topics tonight with my special guest. So. Is the sound okay? They tell me his name is, my name is Abéi. OK. Good evening Mr. Abei.

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[00:11:00]I follow you, you follow me. Departure from Goma. Thank you so much. Thank you for logging in anyway 243 find me here. You know that this is where I come to answer your questions. I'm here to answer. Often, I receive several messages, several questions on my DM, on WhatsApp, everywhere, on Facebook and I have always been in the habit of coming to answer live because I would not know how to answer moko mokoal.

[00:11:35]I'm busy, I'm a mom, a wife, that's it, I have to take care of my husband, I have so many things to do. So, I often prefer to do a live stream and answer all the questions that people have about gangs. So, I'm already being told the sound is okay. As I said at the beginning, uh, today we want to come back to this subject. We did a live stream on this topic of reprizi and Sangé. Where did they go? And we even have a special guest today, someone who is very knowledgeable in this area. He is himself an independent geopolitical researcher, an expert in defense, security and stabilization issues. So, it is with him that we will be debating these topics tonight for you tonight, Mr. Oxygen Tousza. Good evening, Mr. Oxygen.

[00:12:30]Good evening Pamila. Good evening to all V243 TV listeners.

[00:12:35]Thank you very much and thank you for accepting our invitation.

[00:12:38]You are welcome. You are called oxygen. Isn't oxygen a nickname? It's a nickname. That's really the name. Is that your name? Oxygen, the name was in "soli" by my grandpa. Then you said Yes. So.

[00:13:02]My grandpa. I would really like to know a little about the origin of this name. So your parents gave you this name. I gave, I gave oxygen at home in this word of childhood and mom is someone who was really very educated so oxygen oxygen oxygen. So when I was at home there was oxygen everywhere.

[00:13:24][laughs] So it was on your documents, it's Mr. Oxygen.

[00:13:28]Perfect.

[00:13:30]It's a bit [laughs] so when you told me that no, my name is Mr. Oxygen, I was thinking [laughs] Mr. Oxygen Mr. Oxygen you know, you have complicated names, huh. One day, I heard my grandfather, whose name was Allumette. I have a grandfather who had a nickname called Matchstick.

[00:13:52]So, oh yes, Alumette exists here, that's correct.

[00:13:58]Matches are available in your area. You have such bizarre names, Mr. Oxygen. That's it, that's his name.

[00:14:03]Manga m aussianga as in Lingala or Swili. M already like that there.

[00:14:09]M is a bit much, really. When I was still in spiritual warfare, we had to seek deliverance.

[00:14:14]What can we call it? We can, we can, name of name, we can give a name to Mopanga. Mopanga, that is to say, machete.

[00:14:22]machete and tramotina for the quinois.

[00:14:27]I'm telling you, it's terrible with, uh, the name, the Swipone, with their name, Mr. Oxygen, thank you very much for accepting our invitation. Today with you, we want to talk about the withdrawal of the 23rd.

[00:14:39]I don't know if this is the time that FCM23 is withdrawing with you when you are a geopolitical expert and above all I must specify, you wanted me to specify that you are Congolese by origin. Why did you want this specific detail, this precise measurement that you are of Congolese origin? Because there are those who doubt your, uh, your Congolese identity, or what? Hm, that's not it at all because I specified that you are talking about Congolese people, so I know about Congo, uh, we are going to talk about Congolese issues, so it's not that we are going to talk about foreign issues, I specified that it is a Congolese person who is going to talk about Congolese issues. That's it.

[00:15:19]A Congolese man who will speak about the Congo issue. Thank you so much. And I should also mention that you are from Bunagana.

[00:15:27]Tell us first, explain to us first, Bunagana, why the revolution started in Bunagana? What was the ease of it? For what? Because there are people who are asking the question, Bunagana, we are Bunagana is on the border with Uganda but today we accuse Rwanda of attacking us. It is Rwanda that supports the FCM23 while the war had started in Bunagana.

[00:15:48]Can you first explain to us where Bunagana is located, given that you are originally from Bunagana?

[00:15:53]Bunana, I would say that he is the related chief of the Jomba group.

[00:15:57]Jomba group among the seven groups that make up the Buisha chiefdom. Uh, it's right on the border with Ouanda. Well, it borders in one way or another, it's with Rwanda. But in the middle there are two volcanoes, namely Sabinho, uh, Carisim, and other volcanoes.

[00:16:21]Hm hm. So Bunagana, why, as you said, are Rwanda being accused when Bunagana does not have direct borders with Rwanda and has a direct border with Uganda, and besides, on the other side of Uganda, it's also Bunagana, so it's not only Bunagana that is Congolese, there is also Bunagana or Gandé, so why did the war start in Bunagana? Bunagana Bagana is just a city that is below the Sabinho volcano.

[00:16:56]I think the Congolese know Sabinho when we talk about 23 returning to Sabinho. Return to Sabinho.

[00:17:02]That is to say, to give you a little background, at the end of the M23 in 2013 there were two groups that separated, one which was led by President Bissimois who took refuge in Uganda, notably with the day Makenga with almost 1500 men, and our group had taken refuge in Rwanda with Jean Baudouin and President Runiga on the other side. So when there were talks between Kinshasa and Kampala to seek peace for the return of these so-called military refugees who were in Uganda, there were at least 600 soldiers who had returned from Uganda. They were confined to Kitona, others to Kamena.

[00:18:00]So the second batch should be sorted out. There were misunderstandings between the Congolese government and the government. They wanted to take soldiers who had remained there by force. That's how Makitaires left Uganda to settle now in the Sabinho volcano in Congo.

[00:18:27]OK. That's where the transition of power took place between Joseph Kabila and Tisekedi. So when Tisekedi came to power, they were already in Sabo.

[00:18:39]It's not far, what kilometers from Bunagana is it? Hm hm.

[00:18:43]You all know the story of how they were recalled to Kinshasa to discuss the matter further. It didn't work.

[00:18:49]We're not here. That was just why there is a gana and it was after in 2021 that the phard went to attack now Makenga in the Sabinho mountains and so he came down in retaliation to his attacks and that's how the town of Bunagana fell first because it is the town of Bunagana which is very close to this Sabin volcano that's how the little story is I won't go into the small details it was like that but that was the history of Bunagana. Why did Bunagana start? Because it is not far from the Sabinho volcano. So. So.

[00:19:26]But not far from the Sabinho volcano. But we know that Bunagana borders Ganda. But why is Rwanda being accused more today than Uganda? You also followed some images.

[00:19:36]Mr. Felix Tisekedi was in Uganda. For what?

[00:19:43]This is a question of politics, perhaps strategic, but I'll just add a comment. Hm hm.

[00:19:51]Uh, Rwanda, so much so that Rwanda is well-known. Bah l'anda was also there during the FDEL, l'Ouanda was also there during the RCD. The Oganda was also at RCD KML, RCDL.

[00:20:07]Uh, but still Kinshasa. For what? That's the question. Why does he always talk about Rwanda and not Uganda? While the war started with people who were in Uganda.

[00:20:22]That's a very good question and a lot of people are asking it.

[00:20:25]I think in 2019 agreements were signed with Rwanda in particular. You saw there was cooperation at the level of the exploitation of their Sakuma, there was the agreement for Rwandair to come to Kinshasa.

[00:20:41]who has other agreements that we don't have, we're not here, I think we're not analyzing the agreements today, we're going to talk about bloodshed and withdrawal, so at a certain point we found that all these agreements were broken, nobody knows what happened, we heard that Rwanda will no longer come to Congo, the Sakima contract was blocked, the embassies of V, there were withdrawals of diplomats on both sides, I think Shisekedi is well placed to answer the question why he withdrew from Rwanda when there were agreements that he signed, agreements that are very well known, very well known, it has even been made public. There were Congolese officials there, notably General Kahimbi who was among the delegation, there was François Bé who was the former head of the CNS. So there are many people today who participated in these agreements. There are images even if you can type on uh X, you will see Congolese people, Congolese delegations who were in Kigali. I think there is propaganda, in quotes, from the Kinshasa government, which wanted to exploit this crisis by putting Rwanda in front of it, as if Rwanda had theories such as the theory of balcanization and the theory of occupation.

[00:22:10]So it was easier to understand Rwanda than other countries because there are several false theories behind the name of Rwanda, even though we have heard about this balcanization since 1997, we have never seen it. We were waiting for this occupation. There are others who say that Rwanda is preparing for the transplant, that it wants to kill all the Congolese in the East and come and implant Rwandans. So it was easy to talk about Rwanda because there are several theories hidden behind the name Rwanda. So.

[00:22:37]And you say that these are false theories.

[00:22:40]Pamela, the story of Balkanization has been talking about this since 1960. It's not "Balkanization," the word " Balkanization" comes from the Balkans, meaning Eastern Europe. But we're talking about a place there that should be annexed: Kivu in Rwanda. It's been going on since 1960. Remember the Moulé War, and in 1961-64, we were always talking about this matter of annexing Kivu. There are others who spoke of the Republic of Kivu, the Republic of the Volcano, based on theories by Ngwanda, whom you know very well, who was the former head of Mobutu's secret service and who even wrote books, who had a plan for Rwanda to annex Kivu. But so far, the border is still at the large barrier, the border is still at the small barrier, the border with Lake Kivu is still there. So, for me, I understand that it's propaganda, these are fictitious theories. I think it will never even happen, but... Politicians use them to deceive those who do not know the history, perhaps of eastern DRC, to manipulate them and do what they want. That's it.

[00:23:47]So, politicians use them to deceive those who don't understand the situation in the DRC.

[00:23:54]Today we saw Tisekedi sign more agreements with Uganda.

[00:24:00]Uh, there was trade, security, and oil. That was on the agenda for their signing today. Uh, there have also been reactions from civil society, civil society which is demanding that Tisekedi be able to cancel all these agreements which have just been signed today. And civil society does not want this coalition between the DRC and the OGA. As you well know, they accuse Uganda of being behind the ADF. The ADF are armed groups that create terror in eastern Congo, specifically in Beni.

[00:24:37]As a geopolitical expert on this region, what can you say?

[00:24:44]This story about the ADF is not a recent one. The ADF arrived in Congo during the Mobutu era.

[00:24:50]Hm hm.

[00:24:51]It was Mobutu who welcomed them into his policy where he destabilized the entire region. You know from me that Mobutu destabilized Angola through UNITA, he destabilized Burundi through the FN, he destabilized Rwanda through the lira which is the ancestor of the FDL. Hm hm hm hm.

[00:25:12]He was also destabilizing Uganda through the ADF Nalou. That's Mobutu who armed them. There was even a son of his named Sheriff. Those who know Afda, he was even in Kinshasa. The military from the FD met him in Kinshasa. So to put this story today uh on current politics, I think that's not knowing history. So, the ADF are there, the Uganda and the DRC, uh, they have operations that are conducting operations together called Shouja in the Mayangos forest, the resori. Today, the ADF have left, even though they are in Nitouri. Today, they started attacking me in the Relé. Hm hm. This story has been attached to several PHC officers. You remember, back in 2014, we were saying that Gen Mondos was behind the ADF.

[00:26:05]Several officers were mentioned, there was even the fact that Jet Chilimami supplied it. While it is a story of the Zugandés, who are the Ugandans, that is false information. The ADF are in Congo, they have massacred the Congolese. This is common knowledge in the justice system. I think that was verified with the court, uh, the military court in Kinshasa. There are Congolese who have been arrested in collusion with these ADF because since 1995, they have been in the far north.

[00:26:39]So our mother Bubbero is currently active, there are at least more than 10,000 Congolese who have already been killed, but unfortunately Pamela, nobody talks about it, nobody talks about it, and nobody has seen a drone or missile launched on these ADF, even though we might talk about it later, that there are drones being shelled in South Kivu, in Vira, and so on, while these people, these terrorists, are killing Congolese, but I have never heard even a government communiqué, not even on a day of D, saying that they will remember what the ADF are doing, also this communiqué. Yes, I followed those agreements as well. Uh, there are several agreements that the DRC has already signed with Uganda but which have never been implemented, notably the rehabilitation of the Cassine Louiria road towards Boutembo and so on. These agreements were never signed. There is the money that Uganda has already compensated the DRC in the Fontarve project to compensate the victims of Xangani.

[00:27:48]This money, I think you have already read in the press with me, that this money has passed into Gucci bags and so on, blah blah blah. We are not there, so we do not understand today if these agreements also Kinshasa will be kind enough to put them into practice, especially since the oil that is exploited by Mila in Lake Edward, it is the same, the aquifer is the same as ours, there is some but nobody has ever thought of doing it. OK, maybe I'll do it today. Isn't it just me? I think these agreements are a political move, because there's a conflict at the AC OK level, like with the Rwandans, the 2019 agreements started from scratch. Let's look for other agreements with the Ugandans to perhaps have some weight at the level of the AC, but I don't think Kinshasa is ready to collaborate with Uganda in the implementation of all these agreements.

[00:28:45]There's a question for you before we move forward. Why is the effectiveness of Operation Soujane never questioned? Is it never questioned?

[00:29:01]First, I have a major point to clarify: in these operations, it is Ouanda itself that finances these operations.

[00:29:07]OK.

[00:29:07]Even the Congolese soldiers who are involved in these operations, it's Ouanda who feeds them.

[00:29:15]Pamela, check. Ask the civil society of Bénis, he wants to tell you this.

[00:29:19]Information gathered from civil society in Benis indicates that it is the Oganda that is taking charge of all these operations, which the DRC views as such, when the problem is actually in its own country. So, we then wonder why Kinshasa never refused these operations. These operations in the Mayango forest, there are geopolitical reasons why I say that perhaps the Kinshasa regime is playing behind this to show that something is being done when nothing is being done because I clearly say it is verifiable that the food, the ration that the phards who are in the operations are Ugandans who are giving and it is regrettable. So, uh, Kinshasa refused these operations, how are they going to refuse them, and what will they do next?

[00:30:15]And yet parliament itself has said that the FreDC is a disorganized army, not [clears throat] of resources, that there is corruption and so on.

[00:30:26]So understand that if they refuse to perhaps provide some assistance in these operations, well, I don't think it will work. That's pretty much it.

[00:30:38]Someone is asking if you can speak Lingala. I'm telling you he's multilingual, he can also speak Lingala quickly [laughs] that Mama Pam asked your guest to speak Lingala. That's why I like live TV because province territory Hm hm.

[00:31:19]Congolese terrorist since 1995 but 2014 because 2017 ADF and Salaki directly Islamic State through what was called ADFMTM in collaboration with Mozambique But until today Congo contation but somewhere but operation so these are Congolese political games it is necessary that sometimes operations together but between elsewhere and so on but you see that these are games just to manipulate the population is against while today past government They massacred more than 165 people. I don't think they're terrorists, they're not terrorists supported by Ouanda. I would say that they are terrorists supported by Congo because Congo has food to eat. That's it. So it's impossible to convert government sponsorships because government and government, it's not me who says it, the images are there I think.

[00:34:43]So, there are hidden problems because they know that the United States and the European Union have an advantage against terrorism, while in Congo this story should end, but what are they looting in those areas so that we can understand why people are neglecting this ADF war while the ADF today are horrible, they are worse. Those who are creating such atrocities in the east, where they are, we don't know how to describe it.

[00:35:41]Can you at least tell the Congolese who follow you, when you know and understand the geopolitical situation of that area well, what kind of minerals are the Ugandans and the ADF looting?

[00:36:13]It's the world's best cocoa, I would say.

[00:36:25]tutasema tutasema [laughs] I would say this: the area is controlled by the ADF. The first economy there is cocoa. The second economy is timber. The third economy is gold mining because there is gold in the Smolique Valley and in the Smolique River.

[00:36:48]Hm hm.

[00:36:50]4th makala, they exploit the embers but many today have now gone up into the ouri and into the bastion of gold.

[00:37:05]I think you, I don't know if there's a press release or something, that I have something like that, that Uganda's gold that it produced this year, that is to say, production has increased, but there is a Ugandan minister who said somewhere that it is not our gold.

[00:37:23]So if it's not their gold, where does the gold come from? This is gold that comes from the DRC.

[00:37:26]From the Congo. H of the Congo.

[00:37:29]H is the Lord of the Congo. For what? Because it is Kfaakala with porous borders, the exploitation of natural resources is not managed well, we always cry out about looting, looting, looting, but it is the Congolese who facilitate this looting.

[00:37:49]It's on the Ouanda side. But nobody talks about Pela. And today we sign agreements with Ouanda, but Ouanda itself declares that it has gold that it did not produce itself, that it does not know its origin, but it goes very well because it is Ouanda. But when it happens on the other side where there are theories like I said before about this and that market and that, where they cry about looting, but for Uganda there is none. So there you have it.

[00:38:17]And for the Congolese who follow you, what message can you give to those who don't understand that Uganda is our number 1 enemy, the Congolese?

[00:38:27]Uh, me confirming that Uganda is enemy number 1, that's too hard.

[00:38:33]I cannot commit to those statements. But I would say this: Ouanda benefits from the gold that comes into areas controlled by rebels who are fighting Ouanda. So, understand who is fighting the DRC and who is fighting Uganda? Hm hm. No, the terrorist movement said, it is just a movement that wants change in Uganda but is based in Congo and makes some incursions.

[00:38:59]Last year, they made a raid on H.

[00:39:03]Last year, they made a raid on Uganda. They killed, I think it was between 40 and 45 students who were in a boarding school.

[00:39:13]It's AKCC. They killed 40. So some incursions are necessary, but much more damage than the ADF inflicts is in the DRC. I'm telling you, since 2014 we can count between 10,000 and 15,000 deaths because, to be precise, the ADF says that between 100 and 150 people were cut with machetes every day. So counting from 2014 or from 2017 when they pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, that was terrible. 2017-28 every day in the territory of Lubero, in the territory of Beni, in the territory of Irumu, in the territory of Mamba, that was every day, every day, every day, every day, every from the 1st to the 30th from Monday to Friday, there were words of people beheaded cut with machetes by Zadev. But why is Rwanda fighting the FDLR but Uganda not fighting the ADF?

[00:40:08]Because we have never heard of Uganda really getting involved in this war to fight the ADF.

[00:40:14]The Ugandans have forces in our country. That's what we were saying in Operation Shudja, it's the joint operation between the F of Celandis. They are here but the communication is not, they are not very publicized compared to what is happening in the north of North Kivu or South Kivu, but the Ghanaians are there but as they act alone so it is as if you see what they do and they do everything as the DRC does not help them to fight the ADF what they do and they do everything to dislodge the ADF near their borders by driving them onto the national highway.

[00:40:51]That is the big problem in the heart of Congo. OK, make friends there with CF. But otherwise, for us, our borders are safe. That's Ugandan politics.

[00:41:06]So they did everything to ensure that the ADF were no longer on their border, that they were now on the Goma Goma, Bembo Benny, Eringeti road. So, we were going with Sangani, we were going to Bunia. This is where the ADF are now committing serious crimes today.

[00:41:24]They have already gone up into the ha toelé.

[00:41:26]That's deplorable, Pamela. So if you see how they are massacring people there and nobody is talking about it, it's like it's a non-event because it doesn't involve Rwanda. This doesn't involve theories, all I'm saying is market signaling, market machine, that's it, that's it, I've always said that the day the FCM23 arrives from that area, maybe we can first understand the true reality of that war, it will be really very interesting with these ADFs, we continue. Here we are.

[00:41:57]We now want to talk about our topic of the day, rather the withdrawal of live 23. Babarza.

[00:42:06]This is not the first time, not the second time, not the third time, not the fourth time that 23 has withdrawn. They withdrew from opening, from Walikali, from this and this time they withdrew from the blood. First, why did they withdraw blood?

[00:42:25]The answer is clear. The 23rd, uh, they are there to talk with the Congolese state in DOA. Hm hm.

[00:42:34]which was relocated, at least for my time, to Montreux in Switzerland.

[00:42:38]Hm hm. For them, it is a reaffirmation of their good faith.

[00:42:43]I would say that even an attachment to the scrupulous respect of confidence-building measures, that is to say in the agreements they have signed, the agreement in principle signed in Doua, I think it was last year. Hm hm.

[00:42:58]They agreed that there would be confidence-building measures.

[00:43:04]Hm hm.

[00:43:10]Honey, are you okay? How are you.

[00:43:16]OK, that's fine. Proof of OK. Trip to Dubai.

[00:43:20]Ah, a measure of confidence. And how are things at your place near Bolingo? You come to our house little by little. OK, let's go to the restaurant. So the agreement was requested that there be confidence-building measures first.

[00:43:33]Trustworthy. Hm hm. between the two parties to later arrive at signing a now definitive agreement. Hm hm.

[00:43:41]In these confidence-building measures, what was asked of the FCM23? He had initially asked to return to the old positions. That's why on March 5, 2026, if my memory serves me right, they started at the level today, maybe people are creating Sang Sang, but it's a process that goes back a very long time. It's not really new, leaving Sanger, people have publicized it, Dad. No, this isn't new. It is within these confidence measures that DOA's payment process is structured. The timetable given by Washington, which is among the facilitating mediators, was April 1st. Hm hm.

[00:44:23]So, what should begin?

[00:44:26]On March 5th, they had to leave Ceri, that's in the Lubero. They left Cassuo. Casso is 45 km from the territory of Lubero. They left Kato, but he should temporarily withdraw to Banteng. That was the first phase.

[00:44:43]Hm hm.

[00:44:44]The second phase took place on March 25th. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken about the dates, but whoever hears this will know, but I think between March 24th or 25th, they left Kitsumiro.

[00:44:56]Hm hm.

[00:44:57]A large center in the Luberon. Those who know Luber know Kitsumbiro and what it represents. They left Ke.

[00:45:04]I think this must be the village of origin of Minister Juliet Paloko, if he is listening to me, who left Luneng H, they left Bukunu, they left Musia, they left Katondi to come and retreat from Kanyabayonga in particular, they are in Kirumba h still in this process but it has not been publicized because I Cos it is Luber or maybe it is the hinterland but maybe we will talk about the importance of blood also on the geopolitical pro of the region.

[00:45:39]Yes, exactly. Uh, moving forward perhaps to remind those who forget very quickly, when the AC decided to come and bring its M blow for peace to the east of the DRC, you remember with me that the M23 had abandoned 80% of the territory it controlled?

[00:46:03]Hm hm.

[00:46:04]80% when the Sudanese military came south, Kenyan and Burundian military, I think it must have been in 2023 something like that. They had left Kibumba, they had abandoned Rumangabo. Rumangabo was occupied by sites under Kibumba by Kenyans. They abandoned Mushai, they left Kilorir, they left Kichanga. So, from Kichaanga to Moiseso, it was occupied by Burundians. So the 23rd had 80% of the territory under its control. It's an area, uh, I think you might know North Kevou very well. So the entire territory of Routour and part of Massisi had been abandoned by, so that is to say, it is not the very first time there were not even agreements, it was just the facilitation of the AC which came to occupy these former positions of the AFC23 so that there would be a dialogue because Kinshasa had agreed that it would dialogue with them then but that is the problem why is it always the AFC Mventois that withdraws why because Kinshasa does not show the goodwill to respect all the agreements signed. But it's always FM23 that's withdrawing. They withdrew from work, you must first tell us what they gained by withdrawing from work. They withdrew from Walcal.

[00:47:31]What did they gain when they withdrew from Wal? Why is it always them?

[00:47:35]Very well, that's a very good question. Pamela, in war, in the strategy of war, there are three measures and three dimensions of measures. There are tactical measures, there are operational measures and there are strategic measures.

[00:47:52]Hm.

[00:47:53]This withdrawal is part of strategic, tactical, rather operational tactical measures to respond to the facilitator's request.

[00:48:05]What I'm saying is that he asked for measures of what kind of trust. What FC M23 gains from all this is the confidence it gives to the facilitators and to the world that they are not in a race to gain territories, to conquer territories, but they have a set of requirements that must be met by the opposing party.

[00:48:28]Tactically speaking, I'm telling you that they are 90% favorites in the eyes of the international community compared to Kinshasa and there's no problem. It's as if there's a divorce between couples.

[00:48:43]The husband is asked OK, you have to give the children their ration, he gives it. You have to do this, pay tuition, he gives the wife, you have to wash the children, she doesn't, you see. And between the two, who is the good student so far?

[00:48:57]And are there good students or not? Because they have... Is it a question of being a good student or not? Because they took those provinces at the cost of blood. We're not talking about the price of water, we're talking about the price of blood. There is the sound that has been poured. There are soldiers who have fallen. We take Ouvira and then we say we'll withdraw from Ouvira. We're still leaving the dua in Wazalendo's hands. The Wazalendo that still creates terror. So we can't understand.

[00:49:26]That's where I was going to end up. That's where I was going to end up outside of these confidence-building measures.

[00:49:37]Because at this hour I tell you I haven't yet arrived at the measures that we were respecting the 11 to co I'm talking to you the wasalin are already hunting there are there are already deaths you see so the fact that will withdraw yes at the price of blood because 70 km is a lot and leaving is easy but taking 70 km there are human means material means financial means just to respect what the mediator asked for confidence measures zonga sima zongi because that is not what he is looking for. What he was looking for was not Sang, what he was looking for was not Lubirizi, not Lubero, not Kaina. What is being sought is a set of specifications where there are underlying causes that need to be addressed. So, at the level of the international community, I tell you in front of the world, the M23 FC, they are in diplomatic power compared to the position of the government.

[00:50:40]I'll get there. So for now, in South Kivu, they have left Sangrai and have already been to South Kivu. Come visit southern Kivou. It's magnificent.

[00:50:52]It's really Switzerland among places where the weather is very nice, where he was but not yet in the south, that speaks to you. Go ahead, I invite you to go see Longi, to go see Kiguroué. They left Marole, they left Buegera, they left Remera Ver 1 and 2.

[00:51:11]And today, I think if the information is correct, they are not far from Camagola. I think they have to stop because they were asked to reverse 70 km.

[00:51:24]So now, what's going to happen next? Perhaps that's the very next question. What will happen next? They have already respected the Lubero territory, they have returned, they are in Kirumba. In the South Kivo region, they returned to Camanola. What will happen next? Then, the mediator will ask Kinshasa, "Hello sir, hello." OK, they've already respected Yayo Zawap.

[00:51:50]What did Kinshasa ask of him?

[00:51:52]Neutralize the FDL. Has a FDR been neutralized? I don't think so. I haven't followed it yet. This is a press release. They were asked to release political prisoners and prisoners of war, whether Makala Ndolo in Hangenga prison, in Kassapa prison, Mach in Matadi prison, I don't know, from all the prisons there are people arrested. And so on. There's Oh FCM23, oh walk, walk, oh Elongizolo Mou and things like that, they're full.

[00:52:25]The United States had asked Kinshasa to release all of these people. So, what else did they ask him? The bank blockade means that taxpayer money has been blocked by Kinshasa, for your information.

[00:52:47]banks except the central bank but also today reserves that is in quotes we are not there so why is Baba fashion withdrawing this international community congratulating him and not seeing that there are Congolese people dying of hunger because their money is blocked by Kinshasa.

[00:53:22]We're not even talking about the war here, we're talking first and foremost about their money which is being blocked by Kinshasa. Why doesn't Kinshasa show even the slightest bit of goodwill to release the money from this population? So where are we in Kinshasa? This is what the president said at his press conference.

[00:53:46]He doesn't need peace. You heard that as long as the Congo elections are still going on, that's one hour.

[00:53:55]So for him, to surf the peace, that is to say, to block the continuous process of power, but to continue... I think not, I think Pamela, Pamela, maybe we can call him everyone, but knowing how Bitumba Etolak, as an expert, what they are doing is not born, it is not born, it will produce ripe fruit, I tell you, I bet my hand on it. As an analyst of military conflicts, facing the world, they are ahead, ahead, very far ahead, although... but they behave, they behave like a state in relation to the state, the one who is a state, how should they behave?

[00:54:59]We won't do anything, but on the other hand, they are behaving like a state, they are discussing with the Americans.

[00:55:07]Facilitator, whatever you're going to ask us, but provided that now, between today the AFC and the government, who is the cause of the problem? It's Kinshasa, doing nothing.

[00:55:27]Kinshasa does nothing. Belgium, France, and all that. The United Kingdom does nothing. They know very well one of the prophecies.

[00:55:50]People are shouting that there is no active diplomacy.

[00:55:54]I'm not talking, I'm talking as a factual analyst. Yamabé, on the AFC side, I 'll talk. Yamabé, on the government side, he's in trouble, I'll talk.

[00:56:05]But until now, why the exact respect of the agreements? They signed the agreement, and that's the principle they signed in Doa. The government put its signature on because there was sponsorship from the Americans, there was sponsorship from Qatar, there is the African Union which is from RA, there is the European Union which sent delegates who are not fools, they are watching. Perhaps they were waiting for Bata's final phase, he had AFCM23, because the final phase was to leave Sangle Camagola.

[00:56:43]Today is the 12th. Tomorrow is the 13th, that was the victory date.

[00:56:48]Tomorrow the 13th, I think the 14th will change because 80% of the territory they occupied at the time, how many EC days ago? It was in a week, they had recovered all of Espaceoso. So for them to leave Camagol again if Kinshasa does nothing, to go all the way down to Calemi, I don't think it's a problem for them because facing them there is no force that can resist them because from Bunagana my village to Sang today they have never lost even in space on my side that the government has already recovered there now they have never, that is, they have never lost any space that the government has already recovered. But there are those who ask themselves why they made the decision to go to Louvongi?

[00:57:47]Why Louongi? Tell us, Longi is a strategic location. Why Levongi? And where is Longongi located for those who do not understand the Congo and if Kabadi where they went so they counted kilometers because the United States asked to go 70 km from the position of Ouvira.

[00:58:06]OK, that's it. There are no other strategies but uh if I now go into the strategic analysis of their plan, although they are in the process of executing the agreements, but I read in quotes a strategic hypothesis as well.

[00:58:25]Hm hm.

[00:58:26]A strategic hypothesis. That's just my opinion. This is an analysis I am making as an expert on defense and security issues. Uh, in the meantime, they are executing agreements, but in the meantime, for me, they are taking strategic breaks because the time had come for EAC to reclaim the spaces they had, which they ceded to the eca, they have reconstituted themselves. That's how they managed to attack Sac, which was the last obstacle to taking Goma. Hm. "Des gom [laughs] it's a strategic way, that's just my opinion." This is an analysis I make as it only binds you, but at the moment I speak to you the FRDC have entered Louvungi and the F23 have repositioned themselves in Camanola.

[00:59:20]Yes, yes, that's it. Yes, yes, that's it.

[00:59:22]Normally, the 70 km limit requires being in Camagnola to comply with it.

[00:59:26]OK. So, within the 70 km of Ova, AFC23 had to meet up in Camanola. In Camagola, that's correct.

[00:59:35]And now what will happen next?

[00:59:36]Now those who are in Camagola are waiting for Kinshasa to respect the signatures they have, or what will happen at that moment? It will be the role of the mediator now, that is to say, Qatar and the United States, to ask Kinshasa to also respect its commitments. I said the neutralization of the FDL, they signed that they will neutralize the FDL, the reopening of the bank, the reopening of the humanitarian blockade in the high plateau of Minemb because they violated the CCF. You heard that they bombed Moshaki where there were 30 civilian deaths, more than 60 injured in the highlands, we were n't talking about the poero level, the miken level, so almost all the villages have been bombed in recent weeks. So the fact was not respected. So if he does not respect the societies, if he does not neutralize the FDL, if he does not open the bank, if he does not open the humanitarian corridor as requested, there is no way around it, they will not mince words, the 23 will advance in a ter, that's it, but there is a confusion, Baba, normally we see, we have observed, we observe that it is the rebels now who protect the constitution because Kinshasa had changed the constitution and today again we observe that it is the so-called rebel, that we call ourselves the revolutionaries, who respect the agreements signed, yet we believed that the rebels were people without ears. That was the reason why they were called the rebels, but today we see that they are the ones who respect the constitution. You saw Goma, you saw how clean Goma is. You can compare Goma and Kinshasa, so how can you be revolutionaries? On the contrary, you are the ones protecting the same constitution. You are protecting and respecting signed agreements. What is happening? Do they no longer have the strength? Do they no longer have men to advance? And also, morning, noon, noon, and night, Kinshasa is bombing them. Kinshasa was bombed again today. Minemb, I 'm sure you're aware of this. But how can he seek to conquer the entire Republic if they are incapable of even advancing or holding positions they have recovered at the cost of blood? It's deplorable to say, but I would say that the current regime is behaving like a rebel. That's as you said, I agree with you on that. Uh, the Republic that threatens democracy, that threatens all opponents, so that no one can speak anymore today. So it came back, it became a single party. So if you are not part of the sacred union, you automatically become a rebel.

[01:02:32]Sanctions must be demanded. You need to be put in prison, you need to be forced into exile, these are the behaviors of rebels as you said. Kinshasa, I think even the president himself said that only Kinshasa, so the part that controls the government, is the part, on the other hand, that we should think is where the rebels are. So, it's not to say that the FCM23 lacks strength and in any case the analyses are not even analyses, that's clear. From Bunagana through Kiwanja, Ruchuru, Kibumba, Goma, if we go along the axis to Walikale taking the territory of Kalehe, Iui, Kabar, Walungu until arriving at Ouvira, not a single day has FCM23 been defeated. It is not strength that they lack, but as I have emphasized, I have very clearly stated that analyzing their struggle, it is not a struggle to gain territory, it is a struggle to gain for the good of the Congolese.

[01:03:36]Hm hm.

[01:03:37]The good of the Congolese means that there should no longer be insecurity in eastern Congo. Because today, you agree with me, it's not just Nor Kivou we're talking about, but people going to Itahema are being massacred in the eyes of the Congolese government as well. until the military governor Luboya, he is defending even to the Codeco that they did a good job because they killed from Bahemau 2018 bah there are at least 30000 dead who were killed in the chiefdom of Walund not counting towards Harou and so on.

[01:04:12]So there is insecurity everywhere, even at the gates of Kinshasa with the Mombondo.

[01:04:18]You know they've already killed more than 3000 Mondo fighters at the gates of Kinshasa.

[01:04:24]All of this is in the FCM23 specifications: good governance, good management of institutions and the fight against corruption. You see the corruption of Chilou and 100 days, millions and millions each time, we are not embezzling 1000, it is millions and billions. And today, the American press is quibbling. That remains to be verified. I put that under the unconditional assumption that at least 1.4 billion was spent on lobbying to get the support of the United States. That's serious. The minerals are being sold off cheaply. Come and get our minerals.

[01:05:05]If people die, we don't care, but we stay in power. This is the fight according to the FM23 specifications and that every Congolese should support. There is no water, there is no electricity.

[01:05:22]The Congolese support them, but the Congolese cannot understand how one can support the revolutionary. They take one step forward, they take steps back. Today, there is the former president, Senator Avis, who was sanctioned by the Americans for allegedly having ties to FN23.

[01:05:40]You know that they, the government in Kinshasa, they are there, they are making progress.

[01:05:45]Bazo beta from all corner bazo Kanga. There was also a colleague, Pot Loara, whom I salute in passing, who is so threatened because they simply want this gentleman to be able to hide. They don't want to hear him speak, they don't want to hear him denounce anything. That is to say, Kinshasa is everywhere, in the whole area, even for us here, it is everywhere. What can you say first regarding the sanctions against Senator Aville?

[01:06:09]As a geopolitical expert, do you have a good understanding of the geopolitical situation in that area? You understand the beginning of this war. Today, he is a victim; he has been punished.

[01:06:19]The F123 isn't moving. The Bank of the North, which is always suspended, always closed by Tisekedi.

[01:06:30]Who is left?

[01:06:38][laughter] hope followed by sanction which the honored president Joseph Kabila that really there is no bad faith more than that. Hm hm agreement agreement sig copy as it is said the senator he refused even to give them the copy because it would end up on social media somewhere after again the witnesses first eliminated [clears throat] the president exactly we don't hear about them anymore go quickly and especially speak also you have to mix those who do not understand Lingala who do not follow you also go ahead He signs the FCC agreement and then the next day he changes everything tookibilebo that he has just neutralized also even though there is a parliamentary majority so to say agreement my side banda jeeval Geneva Nairobi FCC agreement all the agreements that is known to everyone. So. And now Suka is condemned to death by the ongolity, even going to his residence to copy Bilamba, all of this to give to the chief, to the magician chief, to the spell. What a level, and today he's even threatening to take over Kingakati village too. Hm hm. So.

[01:08:57]Kachamata Farm. I don't know if it's Kachamata or where, I do n't know which farm, so it's deplorable. The sanctions are just because they were bought. It is common knowledge that this is simply a way to silence the former president of honorary president Joseph Kabila. But [grunt] okay, the land yes it's good but I think that if they were flexible, making land before Joseph Kabila would have done the Congolese more good than what Kabila did but as long as the situation regressed not let it be like that every day the function functioned for 15 but today the civil servant the army household fund household fund but today there is no more so I think that was the only voice to make land the voice of Kabila among the hearts of the Congolese by doing good but to say that sanctions sanctions are papers are papers there are people people who like mandé there, they were sanctioned, they were even in prison there are many people who were sanctioned. These sanctions, I say, are just paper sanctions, a way to blackmail but to silence the voice of Joseph Kabila in the hearts of the Congolese, the rai will never.

[01:10:37]Today, the aim is to eliminate, to erase everything that is Kabila, to remove the constitution, to erase Kabila's 18 years. What else can you say? That's a quick aside. (Parenthesis) Changing the constitution, modifying, amending, changing, it doesn't change anything as long as the lives of Congolese people are n't changed.

[01:10:58]If he changes the constitution for the benefit of the Congolese people, like Moïse Mbage, as he said, for the benefit of the Congolese people, well, that's fine, but if he doesn't change it for the benefit of one individual, it will do absolutely nothing.

[01:11:17]One day, the Congolese people, this regime, will face the Congolese people face to face, whatever you say, and what will you say to those who say that Siekedi is changing the constitution, he will give the east and the south, which are like gifts to FC 123 because FC23 will not be in this process, that's it, that's a parenthesis. Thank you, thank you for reminding me of that because what he is doing, I think Tiseked is setting himself up as an engineer of the breakup of Congo because on the other side, he is organizing a referendum for the change of the Constitution.

[01:11:57]It will be a gift for them to hold the referendum on self-determination. It will be a draw.

[01:12:03]Hm hm.

[01:12:04]And it will be a draw. And I think it won't just be in Sangé. I think Lubumbashi will be better. So Lubumbashi, Bukavu, Goma up to Mitouri and what we have already heard about the souanisation. So he changes the constitution on one side and on the other side he changes the state; it becomes an independent state. In any case, that's what Queed is doing; if he's not careful, he's becoming the architect of the Congo's breakup.

[01:12:33][grunt] So, the architecture of the Congo's breakup. Mr. Oxygen, thank you very much. We will, I will release you soon. I know I took you anyway.

[01:12:43]So, I said this as I was finishing up.

[01:12:45]So as long as the root causes are not resolved, all these withdrawals you've heard about, blood, what, what, what, this is just smoke and mirrors, it won't solve any problems. So you need to understand that the root causes must be addressed, but to say that they have succeeded diplomatically, that they have withdrawn with zero bloodshed in relation to the Congo problem. Thank you Sang, it's Zebach, he says that the Womba will leave if someone wrote a message that yeah, someone said no, he said don't say Bumbashi, he says don't say Bumbashi but say Grand Katanga, so that you will take the Ah ok thank you very much, Grand Katanga, Grand Kivu and Grand Orientale like that, Kins ya na wanafanya ya kwabo inakuwa ni mtafanya ya kwenu itakuwa nifika discipline de confi, so you say, can you also say it in French, so you in the FRDC, there is no soldier who wants to fight. No soldier needs to fight, neither in the Republican Guard, nor in the 14th Regiment, nor the 13th, nor the 14th Region in Kinshasa, nor the 12th Region in Matad, nor the 11th Region in Bandundu, nor the 13th in Equateur, 31st, 32nd, 33rd, 22nd, 21st, no one needs to fight.

[01:14:46]But we, because the Americans, he is talking about the Americans, the Americans are shooting him. They know very well that he has contracts that he has signed with the Chinese and the Chinese are not ready to leave Congo either.

[01:14:59]They still need the Tanganyika bedrock. They still need the cobalt from Lalabas. They still need all the gold that is being taken from Moenga, Shabunda and Fizi.

[01:15:11]He took all the money from the Chinese and he thinks the Americans will come into this environment. Ah, the Americans will never send soldiers to the Congo. Check with me because they say that among the Congolese military there are corrupt soldiers, undisciplined soldiers who work with armed groups, groups like the FDLR which are on the list of terrorist groups. The Americans will never bring their military to hold the briefcases, that's just a smokescreen they 're using, but tomorrow or the day after you'll see the Americans will back down and the consequences will be painful for the Tisékedi regime.

[01:15:53]Wow, the rest isn't too painful for Tisekedi's diet. Mr. Oxygen's words from Pariming [laughs][breathless] Mr. Oxygen, if you have a final word for the Congolese who are starting to get discouraged, for the Congolese who say they are fed up with Félix Chissekedi, the looting of Tracos, Swiliiphone, the Swili are full in prisons.

[01:16:22]You saw General Sikatinda die in prison, his body was thrown out. Not even military honors, they are so mistreated. Let's not even talk about the Katangese generals who are in Endolo prison. And today, the hope was there 523, that the FM23 would advance, that the F23 would put some pressure on so that there would not be a change in the constitution. But it's as if the Congolese are beginning to see that there is no more hope and FC23 is simply withdrawing, withdrawing with agreements that Kinshasa signed with Washington. We think that perhaps it will be active diplomacy that will act, although we can also open a small parenthesis by saying that Kinshasa accuses Rwanda all day long and today there are those who say that the United States are in the process of washing Rwanda a little in the war in the DRC by sanctioning Kabila. But the Congolese man is no longer finding himself. The Congolese are confused. What message can you give to the Congolese, you as a geopolitical expert on that region, you who understand this war a little, what can you tell them? Is there still hope? What can we learn from today? What can we, as Congolese people, who are in the opposition, as Congolese people who are waiting for change, do?

[01:17:49]But in this case, no regime, no power has more power than the people.

[01:17:56]Hm hm.

[01:17:57]The people always win. The people always win because the people cost their lives. We expect the government to provide five common goods. Hm hm.

[01:18:09]Security, water and electricity, housing, health, education, transport. That is to say, it is what the population does when the population does not find this benefit from the government, even if whatever it may be, it will encounter the people on its path.

[01:18:29]I think it's the greatest weapon.

[01:18:30]The greatest army is the people.

[01:18:34]Second hope is that the fact that queediour list list for the voa never impunity vis-à-vis the population change constitution there is no problem is hope was on the FCM23 but that also nothing stagnates at FCM23 they are refining their strategy calmly, slowly and surely. To build trust with the international community, to build trust with the population.

[01:19:33]Today, Pamela, it was impossible to leave Goma for Séumangabo without encountering highway robbers.

[01:19:41]Many people have died on this road. It was impossible to leave, even a few meters from Kanabayonga. But getting through to the end was impossible. But today, someone can leave Goma at 8pm, go to Pinga by motorcycle, a distance of more than 200 km and return calmly without any problems.

[01:20:05]So, to the people of Espense, I would tell them to be calm, fridge. I think he doesn't leave, there's just something left, maybe I do n't even talk about it on social media, but that's how it is, something that stays like that and deliverance will be at the door.

[01:20:31]And the thing you didn't want to say a few days ago?

[01:20:33]No, I'm going to say it, I'm going to say it in a biblical metaphor.

[01:20:37]Go for it.

[01:20:37]You see, you see, when Moses came to Pharaoh, he said, "Let my people go."

[01:20:45]Pharaoh refused. Do you know what Moses did?

[01:20:48]Hm hm.

[01:20:57]There are 10 PL who went down to Pharaoh's house.

[01:21:04]Hm. Did you understand? [laughs] There are Moseses, there are Moseses standing somewhere, and for the dupli to come down, for the people to be delivered, it is necessary, it is necessary, it is necessary to die every day, it is necessary to subtract the army today.

[01:21:40]Ah, what a humiliation, the officers, the courageous officers, prison, what, what haven't they done for this country? What hasn't Jean-Claude done for this country? What hasn't he done for this country? because he is of Katange origin, prison. Yes, that's good. But more than 80 senior Katangese general officers are in prison.

[01:22:12]More than 3000 Katangese in exile for nothing. No one chooses to be born Katange. No one chose to be born this way. No one chose to be Louba.

[01:22:27]Why is it that if he has problems with Kabila, the people who copy are in Makala prison because they are Katang because they worked with Kabila?

[01:22:47]I think Congolese tolerance, tribalism, discourse, especially that, in any case, the Congolese, because power, regime, people, that's it. Thank you so much.

[01:23:24]He is Congolese more than others. No one is Congolese more than anyone else. And besides, I would say today who is Congolese and who is not because the President of the Republic does not have an identity card. The only country in the world that does not have an identity card.

[01:23:42]Liberation is at the door.

[01:23:57]Deliverance is at the door and I believe its enemy and the pain will be unbearable.

[01:24:11]Thank you, Pamela.

[01:24:13]THANKS. It is I who thank you. One last little question, I know that you are a former cadogo on the 17th of the liberation.

[01:24:30]A short message. Would you like to come here and talk to us again about this historic date?

[01:24:37]How did it happen?

[01:24:38]How did you decide to join the army?

[01:24:43][laughs] and it came to the liberation of the Republic, liberation from the dictatorship that we were, the country was dark. So I would really like to receive you on May 17th as a former pleasure gift.

[01:25:03]So, let's talk a little about this Cadogo story, how we were dealing with it, how we could, if we could, make a comparison with what is happening in eastern Congo? You can explain it to us because you understand well.

[01:25:17]We are told that no, live 23 in Kangarabakassi, they are taking young people. Was it the same in your time? Were you taken by force? It was of your own volition. You have decided that I will be Cadogo. I am going to follow Laurent Des Kabila's museum to liberate the country. It will be something like that. I don't know if it will be possible on May 17th. This is your day.

[01:25:41]I will be present, I will be present by Tuesday, uh, to talk about this, uh, and especially to remind everyone that without this revolution, the IDPS would not be in power today.

[01:25:55]We must not respect the fella because they fought all these years, neither Laurent Kabila nor anyone at the IDPS could dethrone Mobutu, so respect them, and I was very shocked to see how the Yamusé Laurent Dzer Kabila office was vandalized. That is truly an unforgivable crime in Kadogo's heart.

[01:26:20]Unforgivable. Unforgivable. He could touch everywhere but not the memory of Kabila's R, who succeeded in neutralizing Mobutu.

[01:26:32]Oh no no no no no no no no. Ah ah no no no. We'll talk about it on the 17th.

[01:26:37]We will talk about it on the 17th. We want forgiveness. So the revolution 17 years ago, we're going to talk about it, how we were, how we were recruited. calmly and I am very proud to have participated in the revolution that ended the dictatorship of Moutau. I am very proud.

[01:27:03]All right. We will come back to this because there was always the Rwandan, there was this, there was this. It will be the 17th of May, a lot. We're going to reveal, we're going to reveal, and then we'll still make a comparison of what's happening today. Why is this revolution not progressing as quickly as desired, as we say in Lingala? The question is, why, why quickly? There is a very important nuance on the tactical plan that I will reveal that day.

[01:27:37]All right. Thank you very much, Mr. Oxygen. One last word.

[01:27:43]One last word. Do you have any final words? Final word.

[01:27:48]Thank you so much. [laughs] yet another name that's just been added.

[01:28:09]Mitwaba tunawapenda sana watoto ya Kisangani watoto ya Bukvu watoto ya Beni suriwe na shida watoto ya Mungu awachunge But we hope that Thank you very much.

[01:28:51]Thank you very much. Thank you to everyone who has followed us, to everyone who has followed Mr. Oxygène, you already know we have just made an appointment with Mr. Oxygène for May 17th. On May 17th, we will talk about this war of liberation of the Acl Musé Lauron Désiré Kabila. We will pay tribute to these great heroes of our country who liberated our Republic from the dictatorship of Mobutu. That's it, it will be on May 17th. Mr. Oxygen, thank you very much again. We have just added the name Mona Lisa, Queen Esther.

[01:29:31]OK, thank you very much, I'll receive Sambelli.

[01:29:34]Thank you so much.

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[01:30:24]Thank you, Pamela.

[01:30:26]Bye. So.

[01:30:39][scream] [music] Kinshasa weeps under the lights.

[01:30:57]The river listens to our sorrows.

[01:31:02]We were told about a tomorrow, but the Congo [music] no longer has a hand.

[01:31:10]The children sleep without hope.

[01:31:15]Copper glows in the dark.

[01:31:19]While in the distance the great mice, the people fall into oblivion.

[01:31:27]We sold our red lands [music], our mountains and our jewels. [music] For a power that does not move, [music] for a throne gone mad.

[01:31:43]And the silence speaks louder [music] when the drums announce death in the abandoned villages.

[01:31:54][music] Even the ancestors want to cry.

[01:31:59]Congo [music] American province, our pains become [music] chains.

[01:32:07]We were promised freedom but our dreams [music][song] are buried.

[01:32:15]Félix signed our sufferings [music] to prolong his existence.

[01:32:23]And the powerful close their eyes, blinded [music] by their precious things.

[01:32:32]Minbou burns [music] every night under the bombs, under the cries.

[01:32:39]The mothers [music] run through the hills searching for their children under the ruins.

[01:32:47]Radio silence, no one [music] speaks, the world looks away [music] and our blood feeds their money. He is in prison. [music] condemned without any reason.

[01:33:12]Their only crime in this country. [music] Speaking the language of their lives and [scream] of private prisons [music] full of shadows broken by numbers.

[01:33:28]The Congo becomes a stranger [music] in its own land, it still has to pay.

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[01:34:33]The people [music] march without sun under flags that watch over us.

[01:34:40][music] Trump receives black wealth while despair grows here. [music] The mines are worth more than our lives [music] and hope fades into the night.

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[01:34:59]The new name of our people.

[01:35:02]Our father's new name. Our children [music] grow up Our children grow up [music] in their own stolen land.

[01:35:12]But one day the rain will speak [music] and the people will rise up.

[01:35:21]For [music] even under arms, the truth returns in [music] flame.

[01:35:30]Congo is here.

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