FREEDMAN FRIDAYS REPLAY W/DOMINIQUE DIPRIMA AND ANTHONY BROWDER

Added: 2026-05-08

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[00:00:25]How >> talk 1580. It is time >> to get ultra black. It's a Freman Friday. We do this every Friday. A comprehensive reparations conversation from all perspectives, all schools of thought. Welcome.

[00:00:42]>> We need to get better versed on this and we are doing so. We've been doing this, man, almost a year and a half and we're keeping it going. So so excited to have with us this morning an author, publisher, a cultural historian, artist, and educational consultant, a graduate of Howard University's College of Fine Arts. He's lectured throughout the United States, Africa, the Caribbean, Mexico, Japan, and Europe on issues related to African and AfricanAmerican history and culture. Uh if you don't have one of his books, uh you probably will by the time you're done listening to this lecture. Anthony Browder, welcome.

[00:01:19]Good morning, Dominic. How are you?

[00:01:22]>> I'm blessed. How are you doing?

[00:01:24]>> I am blessed as well. Happy to be in your fair state and looking forward to uh ending Black History Month on a favorable note.

[00:01:33]>> On a historical note. How about that? Um >> absolutely. You know, we have um we have Chris Logson coming next hour to continue going through all of the reparations bills that are now on the table for the state of California.

[00:01:50]But I think I've seen people arguing back and forth about who deserves credit for reparations and who's using whose idea and all of these kinds of things.

[00:02:00]And I think those conversations lack historical context. Perhaps you can give us some of that. Sure.

[00:02:09]Well, you know, we have to ask the question, what do we want this government or the state to repair? We have to look at the fact that no people in in history have gone through what Africans who were enslaved in America have gone through. separated from land, language, history, culture, uh forced to adapt to a new environment, forced to uh be exposed to the most inhumane treatment than any people on this planet have ever experienced. We were given our freedom. Uh we went through integration as your caller before me was saying, but all of that was a setup to ensure that we were continuously undermined by certain elements within this government. And so it's it's right to ask that our our situation be addressed, but without understanding how what's been taken from us is important. And the most important thing that I feel that has been taken from us is our sense of of awareness, knowledge of self, our history, our culture, and all of those things that make us more unified as a people. and without having an awareness of what's been taken away and a plan to replace that which was stolen and lost, then we're going to be floundering as we have been. As I said on several other occasions when I was on this program that the most important thing that needs to be repaired is our memory. Our memory must be restored. And if the last four weeks have not shown us anything, it's that we have to assume responsibility for repairing that which was stolen, that which was taken away, that which was outlawed, because our enemy, our oppressor, is not going to do that for us. And so it begs the question, begs the question, what are we willing to do to free our minds? And how much of our time are we willing to invest in freeing the minds of others? I I think one of the best metaphors that I can give your listeners for this unselfish dedication to freeing minds is that of sister uh Harriet Tubman who freed herself who was enslaved in a concentration camp on the west coast of Maryland. I don't call them plantations.

[00:04:20]If you understand the histories of what happened to our people in those environments, in those encampments, you will realize that these were the precursors to the concentration camps that Adolf Hitler said were a little bit too harsh. I mean, if you can imagine that. But Harriet Tubman freed herself and then risked her freedom 19 times to come back into the south, the upper south of Maryland, where she freed her mother, her father, all of her siblings, save one. And then during the Civil War, she continued to fight on the on behalf of the Union Army and freed thousands of other people. And that represents a level of of knowledge of self, but more importantly, a level of selflessness in which she was able to to to devote her own freedom to save others. And that's the spirit that's surely needed right now. And one other important aspect of the re restoration of our minds, recovery of our history reminds us that we're not just living for ourselves.

[00:05:23]We're not just we should not just be focusing our attention on this particular lifetime. If we understood one central element of of African culture, it's that we come back. The life is not uh a one turn around the ferris wheel. We come back. There is a continuity to life and the quality of life that you spend in this lifetime determines the quality of life in future lifetimes as as well as the quality of life along your generational family line. So what you do now, you do for future generations. And once that awareness, that that consciousness is fully in place, it shifts the the way we respond to things that are done to us.

[00:06:10]And it gives us a perspective that allows us to look beyond problems and errors and focus our attention on the good that we can manifest that's headed our way in the future.

[00:06:22]>> We got a lot of stuff to unpack in what you just said. Uh, Anthony Browder is um when do you mean literally we come back?

[00:06:30]You're talking about reincarnation or are you talking about our generations of our children that carry the patterns of uh of of our history and their DNA?

[00:06:39]>> I'm talking both. I I am talking both because when you look at ancient uh African culture, for example, in the Nile Valley, they had a word for what we now in the west call reincarnation. That ancient word is the raheime messu or the repetition of the birth. There is a papyrus, the papyrus of um of ani that shows the scene of the weighing of the soul where this priest, this 19th dynasty priest is about to step into the hall of devil where his heart uh the symbol that represents his soul is weighed opposite the feather mod. And there is a figure there who is the figure that represents the rebirth or what we call reincarnation. Within the text of the ancient Nile Valley, there is this understanding that souls come back. And so that after the fall of Nile Valley civilization when outsiders came in and took pieces of the corpse of this ancient African body and used those fragments to create religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have elements within their tenants that speak to the process of reincarnation, of being reborn, of renewal. And so everything within our our our environment echoes that same sentiment. I'm looking at the sun, the sunrise right now. The sun follows a pattern. You can see the same pattern in the phases of the moon.

[00:08:13]You see the same patterns in the four seasons of the year. And so these concepts and ideas have been written out of the respectable commentary of human history as Dr. Clark often said that they've been embedded in certain religious teachings such that those who know, those who are aware of the deeper meaning behind some of these sacred teachings understand the full cycle of life. And so with that understanding, then one is willing to sacrifice their life because they understand that they'll have an opportunity to reap the benefits of those sacrifices. When you look at Malcolm who willingly sacrificed his life because he knew that there was something beyond, you can understand why he made some of the moves that he did.

[00:09:00]King the day before he was assassinated knew that his life was over, but he also understood that he he was giving his life to something greater. And so when you can step back and look at history from a different perspective, a broader perspective, when you can look at history from the benefit of of your own cultural lens, then you'll see things or you understand things that our oppressors would never want us to be exposed to because freedom of the mind is the first step towards freeing the rest of yourself.

[00:09:35]>> When you say, well, we'll we'll look at this when we come forward. Um, Dr. Anthony Browder, when you say that we have the responsibility to repair ourselves, that our oppressor or the person that did did and continue doing the harm is not the one that is going to fix the problem. Does that mean that our government and our businesses and our educational institutions do not owe us reparations? Does that mean that we are letting them off the hook? Anthony Browder will address that when we continue on KBLA Talk 1580.

[00:10:15]>> She's reclaiming her time on KBLA Talk 1580. More First Things First with >> Dominic Dria when we come forward.

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[00:12:52]>> The conversation continues right now with Dominic Dria on First Things First.

[00:12:57]First, >> Anthony Browder is our guest. He's a scholar, an author, and lecturer worldwide.

[00:13:04]And this is a Freriedman Friday, so we tend to focus on reparations, but well, we don't tend to, we do focus on reparations, but you've put it in a much bigger context. You've put taken it all the way back to, you know, almost our origins and talking about repair in a greater sense in terms of remembrance of our history and uh reclamation of our mental state.

[00:13:31]Does that let these institutions off the hook?

[00:13:36]>> No, no, no. Uh, you know, there is an aspect of of life within the universe which everyone should be aware of. Uh, those of us in in the African center community understand that this fundamental guiding principle of the universe is centered around this concept called ma, truth, and justice.

[00:13:55]righteousness, thus harmony, order, reciprocity, and that that is how everything within the physical and transphysical universe operates. Cause and effect, give and take, yin and yang.

[00:14:07]Everything for everything that you do, that force is going to cause uh ripples throughout the universe and that energy will come back to you. So that being the case, those who are responsible for for for stealing millions, tens of millions of African men, women, and children over the course of hundreds of years, they're going to have to pay for that. So So if if they don't give us reparations, if the systems that were responsible for disrupting our lives don't give us reparations, the universe mind is going to demand reparations. And I think my sister part of what we're seeing with the instability in the world is that happening writ large. There are certain forces that cannot be stopped. So there are certain forces in nature. There's certain political forces and economic forces. And I would hazard a guess that the disruption that we're currently witnessing with this new administration, this neo-Nazi administration, this this administration that has a strangle hold on this nation and the world. That's karma. That's reciprocity coming back because time after time those in power have had the ability to do the right thing and they have consistently chosen not to do the right thing. So as a consequence there are repercussions to be paid for violating certain universal laws, certain humanistic laws. As what we're witnessing now is the setup for a fall that's going to come hard and heavy. And what I'm suggesting with regards to this theme, Freedom Friday, is free your mind enough to to know enough about history, to know enough about civilizations that have risen and fallen since the beginning of time and recognize that this country is on a downward spiral. So if that is happening in real time, then what things should you be doing in order to insulate yourself, your family, and your community? So those are the bigger questions but our attention is being divided now by focusing on on on issues that in the long run don't really matter.

[00:16:20]>> See so you know 29 years ago I wrote a book titled survival strategies for Africans in America 13 steps to freedom.

[00:16:29]And I didn't realize it at the time but that book is a playbook for what's happening right now in 2025. There's certain fundamental uh principles about life in America and life on earth that we've never been taught as as black people, as human beings. And as a consequence of our ignorance to certain fundamental realities, we're suffering. We're squandering our lives. But once you understand that there is an order to this thing called life and this order manifests itself in specific ways, then by the application of the knowledge of the order within the universe, you can kind of ride this wave of destruction that's headed our way and not be swept away like most people will. But but it's a choice that people have to make.

[00:17:16]>> Ride the wave of destruction and not get swept away. Sounds perilous but possible.

[00:17:23]Well, absolutely. We've always done it.

[00:17:25]My sister, look, no people in this country have gone through what what Africanameans have gone through. And the mere fact that we're still here and we're here in relatively large numbers and some of us have our mind intact.

[00:17:38]>> What accounts for that? There is something with within us. There's a spirit, an indomitable spirit that people of a certain consciousness have that allows them to move in such a way that they don't get swept away with the masses. That's the energy. That's the consciousness. That's the history.

[00:17:56]That's the awareness that I'm saying we have the responsibility of becoming aware of ourselves, incorporating into our lives so that we can live a better life life because of the choices that we make. It's not your oppressor is not going to teach you how to be mentally free, how to be spiritually free. That's not their wheelhouse. That's not what they've ever done. But we're free enough to be able to read, to be able to study, to be able to analyze what we read and pick up the pieces of our fragmented past so that we can determine how we're moving into a future that we will create. So if you're doing that with a cohort of people who also understand what's at play and how to use the energy, the consciousness that we have available to us to use, then you amplify your individual power and collectively you become a powerful force. That's what circumstances are now forcing many many black folk to do. You can't depend on the government to educate you. Then you educate yourself. You educate your children. You create your Saturday. You use your barber shops, your beauty shops. You use your churches. You use your fraternities and sororities to create educate safe spaces where we can educate those minds that are most precious to us. That's what we did when our our our country was integrated.

[00:19:17]That's what we did a 100 years ago. And we raise brilliant souls as opposed to allowing our children to who to have their minds impacted by people who know how to minimize their potential for goodness, their potential for fair play.

[00:19:33]And that's what we're seeing in too many of our communities right now because we have given up control and responsibility for handling those things that as adults, conscious human beings, we should assume responsibility for. So as things begin to fall apart, there will be those there are those who are prepared to pick up the pieces and build black better.

[00:19:57]>> When you say we're concentrating um Anthony Browder on things that don't matter, are you talking about politics?

[00:20:05]You're talking about today everyone's saying we're not going to buy anything.

[00:20:09]What are you specifically? What are you referring to?

[00:20:12]>> I'm I'm talking about everything from from the Super Bowl to to spending habits. And yeah, it's good uh to spend your money with people who respect you, but do you realize on one very basic level, do you realize how out of source do you have to be for someone to tell you not to spend money with someone who hates you? Do you and and and why would you stop doing it for one day only? I could say, you know, we should boycott Christmas. We should boycott the Fourth of July. We should boycott a Junth. We should not Thanksgiving. We should not be spending our Yes. Because look, we live in a capitalistic nation and the only thing these people understand is money. When you hit them in their pocketbooks, hit them hard and heavy and not just make, you know, one one day of activities. And this is my my personal feeling. You know, Rosa Parks, if she didn't if she gave up her seat on one day, how effective would that demonstration have been? You've got to show your oppressor how serious you are. You've got to make a commitment to something bigger than yourself. You got to be willing to sacrifice. And if sacrificing means that you don't patronize an establishment for one month or one year, that's the sacrifice you have to be willing to make in order for the next generation or two to reap the benefits. and and and I'm an advocate of a philosophy that one finds in many indigenous cultures and that is you have to think responsible people have to think seven generations ahead.

[00:21:49]Seven generations ahead. That's at least 150 years. So if your thoughts, if your speech, if your actions are all designed to yield favorable repercussions 150 years into the future, it means that you are preparing like like of people who truly understand what life is all about. Right? That's the level of of mental and cultural repair that I'm talking about. And when you think when you function on that level, no enemy will attempt to oppress you.

[00:22:19]>> I know the Euroba people of West Africa believe uh that if you cannot name nine generations of your family, that means you're not mentally stable. Um, for most black Americans, that's not even possible >> because exactly, >> you know, because of what >> we have experienced, as you say, the um the Holocaust of our enslavement. So, what does that mean to re restore our minds?

[00:22:50]>> Well, well, look, I'm I'm glad you mentioned the Europe tradition because we did a a presentation in in DC where where I'm based. Um in December we brought in Wayne Chandler. Wayne Chandler talks about uh these concepts and ideas you know very very sharp brother and he referenced an article that was written by Euroba priest who talked about the concept of reincarnation and his interpretation of reincarnation allowed me to shift my consciousness as well. He said that in the Euraba tradition there is knowledge there is an awareness that we come back right the raheimes but he said that that their interpretation of returning is different than it is in the east in India and that you don't come back in in a different cast or you don't come back as as a different race. He said that the teachings in within their culture say that you come back within the same genetic family along the same genetic line. So in that context uh one would be given the name um olude which means the father has returned as a confirmation that the soul that has been reborn is the soul of someone who left a generation or two ago. So you see life as one continuum and if it is one continuum then uh the souls that we're that we're encountering now were souls that we encountered in the previous lifetime. I know this sounds very abstract to someone who who really can't grasp these concepts. But if you see life as a continuum it makes sense. And so if you know that a person who has come back was your grandfather you know your grandfather's name you know your grandfather's uh profession. So as that child is being nurtured within the society, you know what name to give that child. You know what profession to steer that child for because this life will be a continuum of the life that he lived previously. So you fit into a society that already has things for you to do, right? So that guarantees that certain information, certain knowledge will be passed down from generation to generation. So for for the the tradition the European tradition that you shared at the top of uh of this segment for you not to know where in the continuum you are is is detrimental to the continuum itself. So the society the entire society has a vested interest in making sure that things are in place so that there is a cultural continuity that flows throughout multiple generations.

[00:25:24]And with that cultural continuity, you can go anywhere in the world and rise to the top because you know that who you are is more than just this individual self.

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[00:31:43]Um, so let's see in the chat they're talking about a lot of things. Um, Friday Jones says you can you can trace nine generations of your ancestors if you're an African-American. I seems like it would be challenging. You'd probably be back in the motherland or you'd be on an early uh concentration camp, but I I think the quest would be worthwhile regardless.

[00:32:10]>> Absolutely. And and there are some families here in the United States that can trace their family back multiple generations, but I would hazard a guess and say 90 95% of us can't because we don't have we don't have the records or we weren't blessed and I use that in air quotes to have a white member of the family that kept that end of the family line intact. Most of the people that I know that can trace their family back multiple generations uh can do so because they had a white family member and they kept the records and they had resources that made it possible for their descendants to be to be better educated so that they understood the value of knowing your heritage. But the interesting thing is there's certain things that that we can't do there. I I can't I I can only trace my family history back I think about five generations before I run into a dead uh uh a brick wall. But what I can do is I can go back to the continent. I can read about different cultures on the continent. I can assume the responsibility for expanding my mind.

[00:33:17]And while many of us don't know exactly where in Africa we came from, then we have the benefit of embracing all of Africa. You know, I I'm blessed in that, you know, I have taken the DNA test from African ancestry, so I know where my maternal and paternal ancestor roots are from, but to be able to dive deeper and and and do the work that I've done in Egypt uh with the excavations has allowed me to gain a deeper understanding of now culture, civilization. And what has really rewarded me in that endeavor of 44 years now is to find in Kim in Egypt right now evidence of Sanca symbols painted on the ceiling of of two ancient tombs, the 25th dynasty tomb and the 26th dynasty tomb. And then to be able to trace the origin of that symbol deeper into Kush into 17th century BC Kush. And then to be able to find painted on a piece of pottery uh that is 200 uh that was made in 250 AD the Sanca bird and then to be able to put the pieces of our historical puzzle together and track the migration of African people and knowledge from the Nile River Valley to the Niger River Valley and then be able to see when that same symbol shows up in Ghana and the Ivory Coast in the uh 19th century.

[00:34:46]That's important. That's fascinating.

[00:34:48]And then to see that with with our uh theft and enslavement with the MAFA, we aren't allowed to bring that knowledge knowledge with us when we're going away from our homeland and in prison here in the United States of America. But that knowledge is in our DNA, my sister. So when we read when we begin to take an active interest in wanting to restore that which was illegal and taken away, I feel very strongly based on something that my friend out here in California, Dr. Richard King often talked about, we then >> animate the the genius within our genetic memory, within our genes, and these ancestors begin to come alive, so to speak, and speak to us. That's what some of our most brilliant minds have done. That's what Carter G. Woodson uh did. That's what George Washington Carver did. And so that's an innate capacity that we all have as human beings. And learning learning that you have that and then learning how to cultivate uh that capacity, that hidden capacity within you makes it easier for us to deal with what's come our way and what is coming our way. And that's one of the means by which we've been able to survive and thrive as a people on this continent for so long.

[00:36:07]>> Rest in peace to Dr. King. uh he was my teacher at San Francisco State University and he is the one who changed my life because uh his class made me look at things and I'm the daughter of activists but his class made me think of things differently and reconnect >> with uh my with that DNA like you said activate my ancestral um heritage uh on a cellular level. Um, Quamel Allah wants to know, "What are black conscious groups like more science temple RBG 5% doing wrong in modern times?"

[00:36:45]>> Um, that's a good question. Well, let me start off. What are they doing right?

[00:36:49]What they're doing right is letting their practitioners know that there's a greater story out here that you have a responsibility to become aware of. All of us are are are mentally and culturally and spiritually damaged.

[00:37:04]That's not an accident. So to be engaged in the process of restoring your memory is the first step towards uh permanent and lasting freedom. So what these organizations do is give you a glimpse beyond the curtain to let you know that there's something there. Now, what I'm always encouraging, you know, young people to do, young people who have uh begun uh a course of self-study is to realize that nobody knows everything, right? To be humble in your pursuit of knowledge and and be willing to accept the fact that you're going to change.

[00:37:39]Change is one of the most fundamental aspects of life. Change involves um evolution, right? Revolution. So allow yourself the flexibility to grow and change. The things that I believed when I was 25, I no longer believed when I was 35. Right? And so that's one of the joys of life. That's one of the reasons why we're here. We're here, as James, brother James Small often says, we're here as spiritual beings having a human experience in order to grow, in order to improve women's journey of life. And to the extent to which we we realize that and and use our time, our talent and our treasure to maximize our growth is the extent to which we will benefit from continued growth or accelerated growth when we come back. Right? So that's that's the beauty that I really want people to grab on to. It's not just about this life. It's for the lives that you will live in the future. And the quality of those lives is dependent on the things that you're doing right now.

[00:38:39]I think it was Martin Luther King who said that if a person has not found something that they're willing to give their life for, they have not found a reason to live. So, it's knowing that your life is part of a continuum and knowing that you have the capacity to determine the quality of your future lives based on what you do in this life right now is probably one of the most uh important and powerful realizations that a person could ever have. But your oppressor will never teach you that, right? Because they can't control you if you if you have peaked behind the curtain and realize that there's much more to life than what they've ever taught you. But once you're grounded in those realities, then your one day boycott can easily become a 365 day or 380day boycott because you see the bigger picture. You understand your power. And if you have the privilege to work together with other people who have light understanding, similar understanding, you amplify your power and you become a force that your enemy would dare not try to challenge because they know they can't compete against you. That's what we're moving towards.

[00:39:49]But we have to go through uh a continued growth process before we get there in significant numbers in order to make a meaningful and lasting change. M critical mass of consciousness is really what you're talking about.

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[00:46:42]>> This is KBLA Talk 1580, where hate loses and love wins. and we're talking with Anthony Broader. It is my honor and my pleasure to do so. Um, it's a it's a big picture conversation and I do think we've spent a lot of time talking about on this show on Freriedman Friday talking about cash reparations, cut the check. Uh, I I venture to guess that you're not against that. Um, Anthony Browder.

[00:47:11]>> No, I'm not against that. But that requires someone else to write the check, you know, and you've got to go to their facility in order to get the money, get the funds if they are in the bank account. But I'm saying that there are things that we can do as individuals. We can do as families.

[00:47:28]There are things that we must do because my sister, we we are witnessing the the disintegration of American society as we know it. things will never be the same again. We have to accept that reality.

[00:47:42]So as we are moving into a rapidly changing society, what are you doing right now to ensure that you can survive and that you can help your family thrive? These are personal responsibilities that we've got to take on right now and many of us have not been prepared to handle those uh handle what's coming responsibly. So, you know, I I suggest to my friends that we spend less time talking about the current occupant of the White House and start making plans about what we can do within our own houses. We've got power that we have access to. And and as I've said on on other occasions, we've got to re-evaluate our relationship with the religions that were given to us by our oppressors because we've always been calling on their gods to help us. And we're in worse shape now than we were in 50 years ago, 75 years ago. So maybe it's time to re-evaluate our relationship with spirit. And if we do that, we will find that we have access to uh a a spiritual reserve that we never knew existed. And when we understand the power of acknowledging our ancestors, right? We understand the benefit of of of setting up an altar in our home >> and then going to that space that s the space that we have sanctified because we understand that that space is is the ancestor portal for for big mama or or or people that you knew and that you know loved you and you can appeal to them for inspiration, for guidance, for for protection. That's how this thing really works. And once you understand who your ancestors are and the power associated with ancestral acknowledgement, not ancestral worship but ancestral acknowledgement, then they become the vessels through which we can live and breathe and do our best work.

[00:49:37]That's how the process has always has always happened. Let me let me just share this this quick revelation I had the other day. I was listening to to somebody talk about the Renaissance and how important the Renaissance was for for Europe coming out of the dark ages.

[00:49:52]Well, the word renaissance literally means rebirth.

[00:49:57]Rebirth. And and and what they were validating is the rebirth of a spirit, the rebirth of a consciousness which pulled them out of the dark ages and set the stage for them to become uh an industrial and powerful people. So this rebirth is the raheime mess that I've been talking about remembering your ancestors and the knowledge and the power associated with their lives is now accessible to you. Right? And then you know you gain an understanding of how to use that knowledge in 2025. You're not going to use it the same way it was used in in 1955 because things have changed. So you apply you adapt to the change so that you can become a better you. And and again, when people of like minds are working together, you amplify this work and you're able to do more with less and you are able to witness the power that you've always had. The times that we're living in are going to move us towards this inflection point where more people will begin to wake up and courageously speak, tap into and develop that power that is always lied within us. And that will be our salvation system. You know, it's funny um Anthony Browder because one of the things that I find most powerful about the modern reparations movement and and the iterations of it that young people have brought forth is that um that delving into our ancestry, whether you want to call it lineage or whatever you want to call it. Um and even though maybe it's brought some in some cases division from Africa, there's a there's a specificity that's super important. I mean, yes, we're Africans.

[00:51:38]Yes, we're all descendants of the motherland, even if you're not black.

[00:51:41]But this idea that black American ancestors deserve their own light and that they deserve the specificity of us going back and honoring them and their struggles and giving gratitude um for what they have endured and and allowing us to be here um is really really important I think for our mental health and and our strength. And so, uh, you know, just hearing you say that, um, it it it it reinforces my, uh, my belief in that. It's, it's interesting, though, that we've been sort of taught, um, through some Christian schools of thought that looking at our ancestors, acknowledging our ancestors, or even worshiping them is devilish. And yet, every other society has the code of arms. You know, you go to the nail salon, they got candles and stuff and and pictures up for their ancestors.

[00:52:32]Every other culture >> honors their ancestors, but we've been taught that it's devilish.

[00:52:40]>> So, in other words, and this that's a prime example of the need to unlearn what you've been taught by your oppressor and plug into those things that that add value to your life. You know, even though certain religions would tell you that ancestral worship is evil, they worship their ancestors all the time. You know, the the apostles are ancestors. Jesus is an ancestor. Uh you have in the Catholic tradition, all saints day and all souls day. So they disguise it under a different language, if you will. But it all boils down to the acknowledgement of those souls who are no longer living whose memory restores something in your DNA and gives you the courage to do seemingly insurmountable things. That's how we as human beings have functioned for hundreds of thousands of years. And that's what's more important to one extent sister. You know, we need to jettison these labels uh because the labels don't serve us well. uh they only serve to set us back. And when you understand that is as homo sapiens as a thinking thinking person a person with consciousness and the ability to know that you have the capacity to think and to realize that everything within the universe in which we live and function operates off of the principle of thought. So as Dr. Carter Wilson encouraged us if you can control your thinking right you don't have to worry about your actions you determine your actions. So we have the capacity as human beings and and that's why the study of history enthalls me. So we see what we can do when we really manifest the full power of our humanity, right?

[00:54:24]We can build some incredible things. We can create empires that will last for thousands of years when we allow ourselves to be who we were designed to be. We're here as creators, right? And when we accept that and when we allow ourselves to bring into manifestation those things that will improve our lives, our family lives, our community lives, we transform the world, right?

[00:54:48]That's the essence of who we are as African people. And that's the that's the gift that we have consistently given to the world. So I think as we see the the the decline of America, the disintegration of America's social systems as we have always known them throughout our lives, this is the perfect opportunity to step up to manifest the best expression of you today so that you can do something to transform your personal life, your life of your family and the life of your community. So if nothing else comes out of this then the realization among a subset of people that they have the power within them to make their lives better will make it all better in the long run. And I think that's where we're headed. My sister, >> I'm going to ask you a two-part question because we only have a couple uh minutes left and I want to I I would like to see if you can address both of these things.

[00:55:40]You said labels. We need to move away from labels. wasn't sure which labels you were talking about, but I also I I feel like we don't talk enough when we speak on reparations. You've talked about spiritual repair. We don't talk about the mental, spiritual, emotional repair um and the consciousness repair.

[00:55:57]So, I I'm hoping you could go a little deeper into that.

[00:56:01]>> Yeah. Well, well, the essence of what we're dealing with is consciousness. Is consciousness. We have unlimited potential within our consciousness. But our awareness of who we are, what we are has been constricted by those who were responsible for miseducating us. So we have to do as Carter D. Wilson said, we have to re-educate ourselves. And what I have found is that by grounding yourself in in history and culture of Africa, the real Africa, not the Africa that's been misinterpreted by others, you'll find something that will resonate with your spirit. And when you do that, when you find that thing, it opens up your uh capacity to to commune, if you will, with the ancestral memories that you carry with you. And there's a direct correlation between one's ability to ground yourself in their c in your history and culture and mental illness.

[00:56:54]You know, I had, you know, we talked about Dr. Richard King, the psychiatrist. I've had conversations with him, Dr. Weling, and another psychiatrist in Baltimore, Dr. Patricia Newton and they said that one of the reasons why African-Americans have such a high incidence of schizophrenia is because we don't understand that these voices we hear these personalities that that we may feel within us are different expressions of genetic memory. So by engaging in certain you know rituals and having an understanding of how all of these worlds mel together allows you to navigate these worlds and achieve uh greatness or empowerment at whatever phase you are in the process and and and we're we're beginning to talk about that more frequently. Uh so that that allows me to to believe that things will get better for those who are willing to be engaged in the process and not be afraid or intimidated by others who would keep us in the dark.

[00:57:56]>> Well said. Um Anthony Brder, we just have a minute here, so I want to hand you the mic and let you leave us where you'd like to leave us.

[00:58:07]>> Uh know yourself. Don't be afraid to read and study. Uh, and the reading, studying, the awareness itself is not something that should be just limited to one month out of out of the year. We're the oldest people on the planet. We have the the longest record of human accomplishments. Familiarize yourself with that. Know yourself, empower yourself, and you will ultimately be free >> and a blessing to you.

[00:58:29]>> Absolutely. I know we can find your books on on Amazon at a local black bookstore. Do you want to give out any other um information for online encountering of you? Sure. You can go to our website ikg-info.com.

[00:58:46]ikg-info.com.

[00:58:48]Find out about our our activities, our books, presentations, and I look forward to seeing you all sometime in the near future. Thank you so much, my sister.

[00:58:57]>> Oh, Anthony Browder, appreciate you spending the hour with us. Absolutely.

[00:59:00]What a great way uh to do our Freriedman Friday on this day. Uh we're being joined by um CJ's Chris Lodgeon next hour, >> KBLA 1580 Santa Monica.

[00:59:13]>> I'm Brie Wood with BIN News. Now, the Federal Reserve is holding interest rates steady in what may be his final press briefing as chair. Jerome Powell said the economy is growing at a solid pace, but warned the war with Iran is adding uncertainty. Developments in the Middle East are contributing to a high level of uncertainty.