Is Muhammad a prophet of God? Rev. Samuel Green

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[00:00:42]Hello and welcome to MTM life. And today is the fourth Sunday of the month and we have with us Reverend Samuel Green.

[00:00:56]>> Hello George. And hello everyone.

[00:01:01]>> Uh how are you doing?

[00:01:03]>> I'm well, thank you. Um it's starting to get a bit cooler where I am. So uh you know cooling down I prefer the warm weather, but that's okay.

[00:01:14]Uh that's really awesome. Uh I I would love to visit sometimes Australia is uh pastor Professor Danny Scott. He keep uh inviting me for the last 20 years.

[00:01:25]>> I I I do want to come there and uh uh get to see your area there too.

[00:01:32]Um re Reverend Samuel, I know many people knows you pet and uh but I we just the last uh uh couple weeks we have a lot of a lot of new people joined our channel. Uh I just would like them to get to know who you are. Um I I I know um you you the biggest thing that uh it many people know about you online that dealing with the readings of the different readings of the Quran even before Hatun Tash before all this other new articles came out and uh but what got you into Islam from the beginning from the get-go from from the start what got you into apologetics and stuff like that? Sure. And I'll I'll just say something about that article. So you were talking about the readings. I'll just I'll just address that first.

[00:02:25]>> Okay.

[00:02:26]>> Um so I met Yoken Catz from Answering Islam and and that was and the different readings was actually one of the first articles I wrote and so I did that in 98 1998. So >> so I'd been banging that drum for a while now. What got me into it was actually that that reason in that I was talking to Muslims and trying to share the gospel with them. And what I found was that they were very well prepared to reject the gospel and challenge I everything in Christianity it seemed and I was unprepared for for their arguments uh that very often they were new arguments you know things that I'd never heard before. So for instance, they would say the Bible's corrupted and there's one perfect Quran. And so then I would, you know, I'd have to I'd never heard that before. So I couldn't say that wasn't true because I I didn't know about the different Qurans. And so it, you know, I started writing articles for answering Islam back then and still do.

[00:03:35]And uh and and that's what got me into it. was just trying to give an answer to help defend the church and help give the church the the the tools they need to be able to go forward and share the gospel with Muslims.

[00:03:49]>> Amen. Amen. I I I saw a video clip of you uh attending a debate for Ahmedad and you were allowed to ask a question.

[00:03:58]What year was that?

[00:04:00]>> That was 1996.

[00:04:03]>> Wow. and and uh and so I went to Sydney Town Hall where Ahmed Datad was. A friend told me about Ahmed Dad and I I'd read some of his books and you know but I still didn't know much about him and then I was told that he was coming to Sydney Town Hall. So I went there and um you know his talk was was pretty shallow to be honest. uh uh you know the and you know there was one section in the talk where he holds up $50 Australian dollars and and and and that's a a lot of money and he says can any Christian tell me how many times is Mary the mother of Jesus mentioned in the Bible come on you Christians tell me how many times and I don't know I mean how many times is Mary mentioned in the Bible you know but he he sort of gave the impression that Christians don't know anything. They don't know their Bible. And it was it I've sort of found that true with so many Muslim arguments.

[00:05:05]Like they're just irrelevant arguments that don't mean anything, but they they're meant to create this impression.

[00:05:13]Anyway, so that was 1996.

[00:05:16]>> Wow.

[00:05:17]>> And and uh and and so it's 30 years this year.

[00:05:21]>> Wow.

[00:05:21]>> 30 years this year. And ju just to let people know and we might even do this on your channel sometime. Um I'm making a an episode where I'm going through his talk from 30 years ago and I'm I'm just going through it, you know, just just sort of start stop and and looking at the arguments that he became famous for.

[00:05:43]And and so I thought it would be good after 30 years to to revisit, you know, that talk and and just see how things have changed because it it sort of gives you a bit of a uh it would show us how Dawa has changed over 30 years. So >> yeah, that's awesome. We um I know you you know the name Dr. Anise Sherro.

[00:06:05]>> Yes.

[00:06:06]>> Uh which he he got in few debates with uh Ahmedad. He also attended one of Ahmed debates in the UK. It was over 20,000 people there and Dr. Sh was a very loud voice. He did not need even their microphone to be turned on. He challenged Ahmedad for a debate and he said inshallah inshallah God willing but uh he went to later to back out of the debate but somehow they were managed to do some debates in the same place. Uh it was really good debates. Uh but Dr. Shirosh's son, he gave us all these debates and I would love to maybe the idea of going and reviewing the arguments. Uh maybe we can do something uh where we can show small clips of it and you can uh make some comments about that. This would be really awesome if we can do that.

[00:06:56]>> Yes, I I have Dr. Shirosha's book and it it was very helpful and he was one of the very early people uh you know engaging with with Ahmed Dat as was uh John Gilchrist.

[00:07:11]>> Yes.

[00:07:12]>> And and uh to a lesser degree.

[00:07:15]>> Yeah.

[00:07:16]>> Um what's the >> Josh McDow? I know he did.

[00:07:21]That's it. But that wasn't Josh McDow's main thing. He he's a general evangelist, apologist and you know excellent.

[00:07:28]>> Yeah. I I know Josh McDow he was working with John Gil Chris during that debate to prepare him for Ahmedad. Yeah.

[00:07:36]>> Uh but one of Ahmed Didad students his name brother Iran. Uh he's uh from Hyderabad uh India. uh he did a debate with one of my uh partners in the ministry uh by name um uh Thomas Gary or Gary Thomas uh over 15 years ago and the topic was huge uh the the prophethood of Muhammad the deity of Christ separating falsehood from truth and it was uh he Iran just is the same style of Ahmedad just standing and holding his hands like that uh but just as as he just said a second ago So um uh very shallow uh arguments. Uh Imran is spent uh over 20 minutes attacking the deed of Christ.

[00:08:25]Over 20 minutes attacking my friend's name because his name is Gary and Thomas. He say Tom and Jerry. Jerry Thomas. Tom and Jerry is a cat and a rat. That's contradiction in your name.

[00:08:37]And then when he came back again after my friend uh he emphasized the fact that you never once mention give us any evidence from the prophethhood of Muhammad. You attacked my lord and savior. You attacked my name.

[00:08:48]>> When he came back his argument was you the man you were offended by referring you to a cat and a rat. How much more God is offended by you making him a human. That that's the argument he want to build. It's unbelievable.

[00:09:05]>> Yeah. uh but we coming to the same almost topic that prophethhood of Muhammad today our topic is is Muhammad a prophet of God or the true God >> now sorry I just want to jump in there now I've debated brother Iran AS WELL >> OH WOW WOW WOW wow uh where can we watch that debate somehow somewhere >> yeah yeah I mean I'll send you I'll send you the link later on let me just write a little note >> yeah that's awesome >> on my website so I did at Bankstown in Sydney um um a while ago now, you know, maybe maybe 10 years ago. I I can't remember.

[00:09:45]>> Yeah. Every time we invited him for debate, his uh his excuse just like Zachary Nike, he would say, "Oh, you have to guarantee me 50,000 audience and stuff like that." And uh he playing that game. Uh I told him, "Hey, look, we if you agree, we can put you in Hatun's channel, 700,000 people."

[00:10:03]that no he wanted in be in person and he wanted >> but they just say that they just say that I've got the what is it the R the IA the Islamic research something or other in Australia and >> and uh you try to get a debate with them you know they're out there saying all this nonsense against Christianity and you say well let's debate and they go oh no no you know we we need we need all this money we need all this all all these people all this stuff and you're and let let's just have the debate. We got halls. Let's just do it. But they >> uh what was your topic?

[00:10:40]>> What was your topic with Imran?

[00:10:43]>> Um >> I think it was just the Bible and the Quran. Uh you know, a general Bible and the Quran, which is the word of God type one.

[00:10:54]>> I mean, I can That's >> awesome.

[00:10:55]>> If you're prepared to wait, I can send it to you.

[00:10:58]>> No, no problem. I would I would love to see it. That's that's really awesome.

[00:11:01]I'm excited to to know that.

[00:11:03]>> I'll send you the link straight after this and maybe you can put it in the description box if people wanted to, >> you know, to follow it up.

[00:11:11]>> Sure. And uh for those watching, thank you so much for joining us today. And please, it's not too late. Take the link for the video, send it to friends, encourage friends to watch. Uh brother, it's all yours. And I will bring the PowerPoint in.

[00:11:27]>> Okay.

[00:11:29]Well, George has invited me to come onto his channel and to to go through the different chapters of my book. And this chapter, as you can see, is chapter nine of the first edition of the book.

[00:11:42]And uh I'm in the process of doing a second edition, but it this is the the first edition and it's uh is Muhammad a prophet of God. Now the reason I am starting here is that as Christians we are not commanded just to reject anyone who claims to be a prophet.

[00:12:06]So even with the coming of our Lord Jesus there were apostles and prophets after him. And so the Bible tells us how to respond to people who claim to be prophets. And so I thought I'd just begin with a few verses. Do not quench the spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything.

[00:12:28]Hold fast what is good. So you see there in one Thessalonians, but we're not to despise prophecies, but we're to test them. Or our Lord Jesus Christ says in Matthew chapter 7, "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. you will recognize them by their fruits are grapes gathered from thorn bushes or figs from thistles.

[00:12:57]So again, our Lord Jesus warns us against false prophets.

[00:13:02]Uh and in one John uh beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. So I just wanted to show you that this theme of uh this theme of uh not being naive as Christians and uh but but not being dismissive either of people who claim to be prophets is a theme in the Bible and a teaching. So we're not to be naive and just believe anyone, but we're not to be dismissive and just reject anyone either. Now, when it comes to Muhammad, well, you know, he's not the only one claiming this. You've also got the Bahigh prophet, a man named Bahigh Allah. Uh, he claims to be a prophet.

[00:13:54]You got Joseph Smith claiming to be a prophet. So you know this is not something just with Muhammad but it includes Muhammad because he comes along a long time after Jesus you know 600 years after Jesus and he uh he he claims to be a prophet. So we need to do what the Bible says and test him as the Bible says. So what what have I got here? And I want to do this in in three areas. So I've got here therefore how do we test Muhammad in this chapter?

[00:14:27]We will consider three areas. The first is the evidence the Quran gives for him being a true prophet. That is we will take Muhammad on his own terms and consider the evidence he provides.

[00:14:41]Um secondly we will briefly consider other evidence offered by Muslims. Then we will test Muhammad according to the biblical standard. Now what I want to do in this in this first video on this is to take Muhammad on his own terms and by that I mean to look at the the evidence that the Quran itself gives for Muhammad. In the next month I'll do the second part of this. I'll do parts two and three of this chapter. But today I just want to look at uh Muhammad on his own terms. Now, why I want to look at him on his own terms is um I want to be generous. I want to say, "Okay, let's take this man on his own terms. Let's listen to him and and not impose our own ideas on him and actually just see what he's actually offering us. Let's just see what he's offering us here."

[00:15:37]And so I'm, you know, I'm I'm trying to be as generous as I can and not just nitpicky or, you know, if you're a Muslim watching this, I I hope you won't just say, "Oh, they're just coming in here just to to bring their own ideas as to why they don't like Muhammad. I'm not interested in doing that." I actually have read the Quran many times, and I've gathered up here all the different reasons the Quran gives for Muhammad being a true prophet. And so I'm saying let's just look at the evidence Muhammad himself gives. Okay. So um the first point I want to bring up about the evidence that Muhammad gives is that the probably the major idea that comes through in the Quran for the evidence for Muhammad is actually a negative one and that is that he's he doesn't do miracles.

[00:16:29]So when we come to the idea of evidence, the reference that is given, I've forgotten exactly how many times now, but it's something like 13 or 14 references to this is that the evidence for Muhammad is not the miraculous working of God in his life in terms of doing miracles. And so we say this um what have I got here? When Muhammad claimed to be a prophet in Mecca in the seventh century, the people of Mecca asked him for evidence, a sign. and and that's that's fair enough. They knew that Moses and Jesus uh gave signs from God to confirm their message and so they asked Muhammad for a sign. However, in response to their request, the Muhammad, the Quran says Muhammad is just a warner. So they say, "If only he would bring us a miracle from his Lord, has there not come to them the proof of what is in the former scriptures?" Now that's interesting, isn't it?

[00:17:28]They're saying to Muhammad, "Give us a miracle." And and you can understand why you're claiming to be this this huge prophet equal to Moses and Jesus. And they're saying, "Well, if you're claiming to be equal to Moses and Jesus, give us a sign. Give, you know, show that God is working in you." And and um and and what's the answer that comes here? The proof is what's in the former scriptures.

[00:17:54]So if you if you want to confirm Muhammad, you're meant to go to the former scriptures.

[00:18:02]And um that's that that's very interesting, isn't it? You know, again, I I guess that's that's the whole Islamic dilemma thing that people have been talking about. I'm just jotting something down there. Um let's keep reading here. Why are not signs sent to him like those which were sent to Moses? Right? That that's a good question, isn't it? Muslims claim that Muhammad is a prophet like Moses.

[00:18:30]However, when you actually go and look at his life, what are we told? Well, he doesn't do signs like Moses. And signs were a big part of Moses' life. So, he's just not a prophet like Moses. The Quran itself actually confirms that he's not a prophet like Moses.

[00:18:49]Uh and again but they say why are not signs sent down to him from his lord?

[00:18:56]Say the signs are only with Allah uh and I am only a clear warner. So there you have it. Um so according to the Quran, Muhammad is just a warner and God did not confirm his message by miraculous signs.

[00:19:16]Um there you know now there are other books in Islam called the Hadith. These books say that Muhammad did amazing miracles.

[00:19:25]Um I think that that actually is really good evidence that the hadiths are false. I know that most academics today reject the hadith and and I think that this is good grounds for this uh because they they say on some subjects the exact opposite of what the Quran says. Um, and so in this presentation, I'm just looking at what the Quran says, and it says time and time again that Muhammad does no miracle, that he's just a warner, that he's not like Moses, that that that you've got to go and look at the earlier scriptures if you want evidence for Moses, for Muhammad.

[00:20:05]Um, so it's interesting that when we think about the evidence for Muhammad being a prophet, uh, what's clear is that it it's not miraculous. It's not miracles. It's not the signs of God working in his life in that way. Um, so what are the the positive ways that are actually put forward? So it's not miracles.

[00:20:31]Uh, there's no evidence of God that way.

[00:20:33]What are the the other ones? So, I've got about eight reasons here and let's have a look. So, if Muhammad was not a true prophet, God would strike him dead.

[00:20:44]If God was not a true prophet, God would strike him dead. And if the apostle Muhammad were to invent any sayings in our name, uh we should certainly seize him by his right hand and then should have cut off his life artery, that is his aort.

[00:21:02]And so here's this argument that if Muhammad uh is not a true prophet then God would have struck him dead. Right?

[00:21:10]So that that's the argument isn't it? So this verse is claiming that you can know Muhammad is a true prophet because if he was not then God would cut his his aorta that is cut his throat. Now the point I just want to bring here is this proves nothing.

[00:21:27]This proves nothing. um and and and is not a sensible argument. It's just not a sensible argument. Firstly, many people have spoken falsely in God's name. And for the vast majority of time, God has not struck them dead. Right? Now, since God did not strike them dead, this does not make them true prophets. Right? It it you know, it it's just ridiculous.

[00:21:52]So, it's a ridiculous argument. It's ridiculous.

[00:21:57]you know, here's Muhammad. If I'm not a I'm a you can tell I'm a true prophet because God hasn't struck me down, you know. Um, now the thing is, of course, while acknowledging that this reason is illogical, if we do accept it, let's just accept it for the a moment, then it actually shows that Muhammad is a false prophet.

[00:22:22]Now this is because when Muhammad died he said he felt like his his aorta his throat was being cut in the very way he said a false prophet would be killed. So narrated by Aisha, the prophet in his ailment in which he died used to say, "Oh Aisha, I feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Kaiba and at this time I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

[00:22:54]So there it is. We've got his own words saying that he he feels like his throat's being cut, not by a human, but by something else than human. So, you know, if if it's not a human cutting his throat, but he feels the throat being cut, then who's left? Well, it's only God, isn't it?

[00:23:12]It's it's only God who's left. So, he's getting this feeling from God.

[00:23:19]Um, so so this is his first reason. If I if I was a false prophet, God would cut my throat. Firstly, it's a an an invalid. It's a ridiculous reason piece of evidence. Doesn't even make sense.

[00:23:35]But secondly, even if we take it, then it actually proves Muhammad's a false prophet because that's how God took his life with him feeling that his a was being cut.

[00:23:48]Okay, that's the first reason the Quran gives.

[00:23:51]Let's go to the second one.

[00:23:54]The Quran is a sorry, Muhammad is a true prophet because the Quran is in clear Arabic.

[00:24:01]Okay. Muhammad is a true prophet because the Quran is in clear Arabic. So in truth, we know that they Muhammad's opponents say it is only a mortal who is teaching him. So you can see here that the Quran, you know, God in the Quran is saying Muhammad's opponents are saying it's just a mortal teaching him. Someone's just teaching him these things. The speech of one at whom they hint is foreign.

[00:24:32]Whereas this Quran is clear Arabic speech.

[00:24:39]And so here's this reason that that Muhammad's a true prophet. And and so that is people are saying Muhammad's just learning this from someone who's a foreigner.

[00:24:50]Uh but that's not the case. And how can you tell it's not the case? It's because the Quran is in clear Arabic.

[00:24:58]Right? Um now again uh this argument means nothing. It's an illogical argument. It's a meaningless argument.

[00:25:08]This doesn't even make sense. It doesn't make sense. Um, so what have I got here?

[00:25:15]The context here is that Muhammad's opponents are rejecting him as a prophet because they have seen him speaking with a foreigner and concluded that he's getting his religious ideas from this foreigner and not from God. In response, the Quran does not deny uh the Quran does not deny that Muhammad is speaking to this foreigner about religion, but says that the Quran is in clear Arabic um and not the way a foreigner speaks Arabic and therefore Muhammad's claim of being a prophet is valid. You know, again, this proves nothing. It's not a sensible argument.

[00:25:53]It is more than possible to speak to someone from another culture and bring their ideas into your own culture. That this type of adaptation happens all the time. It's what translation is. You know it. I know people who work as translators and they listen to one person in one language and then they speak it fluently in another language.

[00:26:16]Right?

[00:26:18]For example, okay, I've got it here. For many, for example, many books have been translated from one language into another. These translations can be beautiful and highly influential and they are. It is entirely possible that Muhammad could learn these ideas about God from this foreigner and adapt them uh into Arabic, particularly since we are told that Muhammad did take religious ideas from the people around him. So, this is a really strange verse that hadith that people may not have seen before.

[00:26:49]narrated by Iban Abbas. The prophet used to copy the people of the scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah.

[00:26:59]Now just think about that.

[00:27:02]Muhammad used to copy them. He used to copy the Christians and the Jews. So if we've got the hadiths and this is from Sah Albkari but also from Sah Muslim.

[00:27:15]I if we're told that Muhammad copies Christians and Jews, then why? And then he's taking religious ideas from them, right? So he's he's copying their practices, their religious practices.

[00:27:32]If we're told that, then why wouldn't he be copying the stories that he's hearing, right? Uh let's keep going.

[00:27:39]narrated Albara, we prayed along with the prophet facing Jerusalem for 16 or 17 months. Then Allah ordered him to turn his face towards the kibla. So we can see Muhammad copying religious practices here. He's copying the religious uh practices of the Jews.

[00:27:59]So we're told that he copies the Christians and the Jews. We see an example of him copying them. then narrated Annis there was a Christian who embraced Islam and read chapters two and three of the Quran and he used to write the Quran for the prophet later on he returned to Christianity and he used to say Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him then Allah caused him to die I'm sure he did so so here we have again in Sah Albkari that you've got a a Christian who is a scribe for Muhammad uh he's a Christian who becomes a Muslim but then returns to Christianity and he's a scribe for Muhammad and he is saying that Muhammad ju just knows and just says what I've taught him. So I actually think we've got plenty of evidence that Muhammad was listening to people and and that it's highly likely that he he took his ideas from them. So even if he doesn't take his ideas, I hope you can see even if he doesn't take his ideas from them, it's a meaningless argument, right? The Quran's in Arabic and this other person speaks a different, you know, comes from a different place. Okay, that's just called translation. So the argument itself is meaningless. But then when we look at the history of Muhammad's life, we have direct teaching saying that he is copying the Christians and the Jews around him. But I want to go a bit further and the uh I want to go a bit further and say that when we look at the vocabulary in the Quran that is when we look at the words in the Quran we can see that these the the words show that the ideas have come from another culture.

[00:29:52]Right? So, for instance, if you're um if you're speaking Arabic, I'm trying to remember my Arabic now, but I'm pretty sure the word for Arabic, I may be wrong at this point, I'm pretty sure the word for Arabic, and someone can correct me for telephone is something like telephone, something like that. Now when you say that word telephone not in English but in another language it when when you look at that langu language you can say that is an English word I can see where that word has come from it's come from another language and that language invented the telephone those people invented the telephone and and so it's come into your language from that other culture so the words that you have another example say the word rendevu. Renddee vu in English rendevu.

[00:30:44]But it's written in French, isn't it? So it doesn't even it doesn't look like a proper English word. It's not spelt out phonetically like an English word, but it's rendevu. And so you can look at it and say that idea that word has come from France. It's a French word come into English. Well, when we look at the Quran, it has all these non-Arabic words in it. And there's a very famous Australian scholar called Arthur Jeffrey and he wrote a book you can see it on the answering Islam website called the foreign vocabulary in the Quran and that is in the Quran there are all these words which are not Arabic words right they're not Arabic words so a couple of examples in the Quran the word in is used for the gospel now if you know anything about the Greek word yuangel um the Arabic word is just what we call a transliteration. It's where you take the Greek word and basically take the letters as best you can into another language. So every time you say the word ingil in Arabic, you're actually saying a Greek word. It's not an Arabic word.

[00:31:53]The Arabic word would be bas or bashara.

[00:31:56]I'm not sure which one now. It'd be bashara or basara. Um that's the Arabic word for gospel.

[00:32:04]Bashara, but that word is not used.

[00:32:06]Instead, the Greek word is used. And so, we can see that, you know, God hasn't spoken in Greek, sorry, God hasn't spoken in Arabic to Muhammad uh for the gospel because if he had, he'd use an Arabic word. Instead, um Muhammad has got this this Greek word and it shows us where the words come from. It's the same actually with the word Ibrahim. So, Ibrahim's not an Arabic word. In Arabic it would be Abraham. Abu. Abu for father. Right? So every time you hear the word I I actually shows I believe it comes from the Syriak. And and so what this means is we can look at the words in the Quran which come from other countries, other cultures and we can actually track where they come from and where the religious ideas the the these religious ideas which are are spoken of in these words um we can trace them back to their original source. So the point is when you read the Quran, it it has non-Arabic words in it and this indicates that it's come from another culture into the Arabic culture. And so again, the evidence, you know, the Quran says this is clear Arabic. It it's actually not.

[00:33:25]If we look at the words, they are non-Arabic words and they show us where the religious ideas have come from.

[00:33:34]So that's the second reason the Quran gives. So what was the first one? The first one is um Allah would cut his throat if he wasn't a true prophet. The second is the Quran is in clear Arab clear Arabic. And we've basically seen that neither of these arguments are sensible. They're just not sensible um sensible arguments. Let me do that there. Um now what have we got here?

[00:33:58]There are no contradictions in the Quran. And this is a a very popular one.

[00:34:03]I tend to find that Muslims don't use the first two reasons, but they do like to use this reason. There are no contradictions in the Quran. Uh do they not consider the Quran with care? Uh had it been from other than God, they would surely have found in it much discrepancy.

[00:34:22]And I'm sure you've heard this. This is the, you know, produce a sur is it no, this isn't the surah like it argument.

[00:34:28]That's the next one. uh but that this is saying that there's there's no contradictions in the Quran at all. And so this proves that it's from God. Okay.

[00:34:38]Uh again, this reason proves nothing.

[00:34:41]It's not even a sensible argument.

[00:34:44]It's not sensible.

[00:34:46]Uh thousands of books have no contradictions in them. Textbooks, novels, directories. In fact, most books we have have no contradictions in them.

[00:34:55]This does not prove they are the word of God or that their author is a prophet.

[00:35:00]This argument from the Quran is illogical and proves nothing. And when we do examine the Quran, we see that it does have contradictions. And I've I've got a few here. Um but and I might be able to add a few uh some new ones. I haven't looked at this material for a while. So there are just small ones like this. So on judgment day, God will double the value of your good deeds.

[00:35:26]Um, okay. So lo, Allah wrongs not even the weight of an ant. And if there is a good deed, he will double it and will give the doer from his presence an immense reward. So there you go. Um, Allah is going to double your good deeds. But then what do we read over here? Whoever brings a good deed will receive tenfold the like of it. So that there's just little things like that.

[00:35:51]Now they don't really bother me, but Muslims say it's absolutely, you know, there's absolutely no contradictions.

[00:35:58]And I'm saying one saying he's going to double it. The others say it's going to be tfold. Well, okay, that's just a different amount, isn't it? So first of all, that this argument proves nothing.

[00:36:10]And then second, when we look at it, um there are these contradictions. Here are the famous ones about what order did creation happen. Was it the earth before the heavens or the uh sorry was it the earth before the heavens or the earth after the heavens? Uh it is he who created for you all that is in the earth. Then he lifted himself up to heaven and leveled them seven heavens.

[00:36:36]So created the earth then he lifts himself up which is interesting to heaven and then levels those off as seven heavens. What are you stronger in constitution or or the heaven he built?

[00:36:49]He lifted up its vault and leveled it and darkened its night and brought forth its for noon and the earth after that he spread out. So you you've actually got the the the exact opposite order. That's the opposite order there. One saying he level, you know, he does the earth first, then levels off the heavens. This is saying he levels off the heavens, then he does the earth. Well, that's that's the opposite order, isn't it? Um, here's one that I think is interesting.

[00:37:23]In two places, the Quran says that the Meccans and their forefathers had no prophet or scripture sent to them before Muhammad.

[00:37:35]Okay. So, this is a clear message in the Quran that Muhammad is the first prophet in in Arabic to come to the to to the Meccan.

[00:37:45]So, we've got here, we we have given them no scriptures to study, nor have we sent to them any warner before you.

[00:37:55]Okay, so to the people of Mecca, they've got no scriptures there. There's no scriptures for the people of Mecca. um and and and there's no warner sent to them before um before Muhammad and and this is not just for Muhammad's time for you Muhammad uh to warn a people whose forefathers were not warned and who were heedless.

[00:38:23]So very clear that what it's talking about here is not just that God hasn't sent scriptures or a warner to the people around Muhammad's time, but it's actually to their forefathers as well.

[00:38:34]So the people of Mecca have have never had a prophet or scriptures go to them that you that's just clear from those scriptures. Okay. However, elsewhere in the Quran, it claims that Abraham and Ishmael were the forefathers of the people of Mecca who built the Ka and they established the place of worship.

[00:38:56]They prayed for a prophet for their people and both were prophets uh who were both sent with scripture. Now, I haven't given you all the all the quotes there to read um because they're I don't know, maybe I will one time, but I haven't done it for this one.

[00:39:13]But that is that is just the opposite, right? We've got these two scriptures up here saying no one has been to the people of Mecca. No one has come to their forefathers. They have no scripture. And then we're told Abraham and Ishmael who are their apparently their forefathers um were prophets and they both had scripture. So I actually see that as a as a significant contradiction that one.

[00:39:46]Uh let's go to point four. So is there no compulsion in religion? So we're told here there's no compulsion in religion or are Muslims to conquer and subjugate those who don't accept Allah and Muhammad. Right? fight those who believe not in God in the last day and do not forbid what God and his messenger Muhammad have forbidden.

[00:40:10]Um to fight against people because they do not accept Muhammad is an act of compulsion, right? You know, Muslims say, "Oh, no, no, we're not compelling them to become Muslims. We're just going to fight and conquer them because they're not Muslim." That is compulsion, right? That is compulsion. G giving them a choice. Convert to Islam or we're going to fight you. Convert to Islam or we're going to subjugate you under under the Jiza. That is compulsion. And it's absurd to say it's not.

[00:40:40]So on the one hand earlier in his life there's no compulsion. Later on there is compulsion.

[00:40:48]So anyway there's uh the that's a significant uh contradiction.

[00:40:57]Now bring a surah like it. I'm sure that you've heard this argument before. This is a a very popular one that Muslims use where they say there's nothing like the Quran.

[00:41:07]Um, and do they say he Muhammad has invented the Quran? Say to them, then bring a surah like it. Then bring a surah like it. Um, when the people of Mecca rejected Muhammad as a prophet, they challenged him. He challenged them to make a surah like the Quran. That is the Quran is he's claiming is so unique that only God could have made it and thus Muhammad is a prophet. The first thing to note is that this claim is not made about the Quran alone but also the Torah.

[00:41:39]So the Torah is there's a challenge also put there to make something like the Quran and the Torah. So this surah like it argument let me just give you the footnote there.

[00:41:51]It's number six. So that's surah 28:49.

[00:41:58]um whatever whatever Muslims want to say about the Quran being unique equally applies to the Torah. Um that is the Quran is not unique and it's helpful to point this out to Muslims. Um uh but what so what Muslims claim is that the the the Quran though is this amazing work in Arabic and it you know it it's the most poetic and most beautiful expression of Arabic and so this this proves that it's from God. Uh so what have I got here? That is the Quran must be from God because its use of the Arabic language is eloquent and beautiful. Again, this proves nothing.

[00:42:40]This proves nothing. It's it's not a sensible argument. Firstly, just because something is eloquent uh and beautiful doesn't make it the word of God. Now, our brother George mentioned Anis Sherro before and I I I was reading his book in writing my book.

[00:42:56]Um as Dr. Annis Sherro said he said a man's strength does not demonstrate his wisdom nor does a woman's beauty demonstrate her virtue.

[00:43:10]And so, you know, just because the Quran's in assuming it is, I mean, who's in a position to judge? Uh, you know, all cultures have their classical works and people spend their lives learning how to perform them beautifully as Muslims do with the Quran. But a good performance does not make something the word of God.

[00:43:31]Popular musicians and singers give a great performance and their fans memorize thousands of their words. But this does not make their words the word of God. Okay? Just because something's a good performance, it doesn't make it the word of God. Just because just because, you know, people who follow a band have, you know, may have memorized all the songs that that band has on all their albums and can sing all those songs and, you know, that that doesn't it doesn't make it the word of God that people have memorized all this stuff. Um, secondly, it's a highly subjective test. I mean, who determines what is miraculously eloquent? Muslims insist that the Quran is miraculous Arabic and cannot be imitated. Yet the majority of Muslims do not speak Arabic.

[00:44:22]So how do they know? They can never know, right? Unless unless you unless you are fluent in 7th century northwestern Arabic, you cannot tell if the Quran is actually miraculous or not.

[00:44:38]And first of all, the the test does nothing.

[00:44:41]But the majority of Muslims I know cannot speak Arabic. So they don't know if it's miraculous or not. But they all tell me that it is. The Arabic is, you know, it's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable. But I'm going, do you speak Arabic? Oh, no. Well, how do you know?

[00:44:58]How do you know if someone doesn't speak English? And they say to, "Oh, that person's got um you know, so here's someone who doesn't speak English." And then they say of someone who does speak English, he speaks English so beautifully. I'm going, "But you don't speak English. You don't you can't understand it. It's an illogical argument. It's an insane argument."

[00:45:18]Right?

[00:45:22]Um now, when you actually go and read the the Quran, it actually says that uh that the the Meccans said that they could make something like the Quran. So, what have we got here? Fourthly, the Meccans who opposed Muhammad said that they could imitate the Quran if they wanted to. Uh when our signs the Quran are recited to them, the Meccans uh they say, "We have heard. Were we to wish we could say something like this?"

[00:45:54]And so they there's no evidence of the Meccans saying, "Well, you know, this is so unbelievable that we couldn't make it." What we have them saying is okay uh sure you're doing this it's a cultural expression we can do this type of thing.

[00:46:11]Um the mechans did not accept Muhammad as a prophet because of the miraculous eloquence of the Quran. They accepted him because he came against them with 10,000 soldiers.

[00:46:21]It was the power of Muhammad's army that converted them to Islam and not the eloquent eloquence of the Quran. Um then when you read in the Islamic histories we see other people reciting the Quran in the reciting their own works in the style of the Quran. So we've got here fifthly it's recorded that two men did recite the Quran like Muhammad. There was a man named Musama which is not his real name as a derogatory name but that's what he was called. Um who also claimed to be a prophet and received his own verses in the style of the Quran. So then he began to utter rhymes in saj and speak in imitation of the style of the Quran. And it never says that he couldn't do that.

[00:47:07]It's just that it was a style that other people could do. And then I've got this one here. And so did uh Abd Allah Iban Sad Iben Abisar.

[00:47:20]We're told he says this uh Abdullah expressed in amazement at the precision of man's creation by saying so blessed be Allah the best of creators. So here it is this man named Abdullah. He he he says so blessed be Allah the best of creators. The messenger of Allah bless him uh bless blessed maybe it should be blessed him and bless him and give him peace. No, it's just bless. The the messenger of Allah, bless him and give him peace said this. Abdullah's last expression is how it was revealed to me.

[00:47:59]Okay. So Abdullah says, "Blessed be Allah, the best of creators." And then Muhammad says, "That's what was revealed to me." And so that is Abdullah not copying Muhammad uh says what's equal to the Quran.

[00:48:17]and this man's a Muslim. So, so you can make things like the Quran. This is the point. This is the point. And so, I've I've got this here. Sixly, Muslims do not try to imitate the Quran. And they punish those who do.

[00:48:32]If Muslims were serious about this challenge, they would have competitions with prize money to encourage people to try and imitate this the Quran. This would prove uh you know, whether or not no one can imitate it. However, they do the reverse and punish those who try.

[00:48:50]And so we this whole surah like it is just a nonsense argument uh that that exists out there. People can make something like the Quran. It's just a beautiful performance. A beautiful performance proves nothing. It just proves nothing. All right. Um now what have I got? I got six points.

[00:49:13]So there's a lot of in this one. Sixly, it's claimed that Muhammad was illiterate and this would stop him from being able to make something as eloquent as the Quran. However, being illiterate does not stop anyone from being talented. Most ancient cultures were oral cultures, yet people were still highly creative. It is well known that Muhammad had scribes who wrote for him.

[00:49:34]Therefore, it's quite possible that for Muhammad to be a talented speaker who had scribes record his words. So again, him being illiterate. You know, Muslims say to you, "Oh, he was illiterate, therefore he couldn't make the Quran."

[00:49:47]That's not even logical.

[00:49:50]Of course, you could make the Quran by being and be illiterate.

[00:49:55]You just have someone else write it for you, right? It the arguments that are given to us are not even sensible arguments.

[00:50:04]The the final point I want to bring up is that the uh the the Bible is much better than the Quran.

[00:50:14]Right? The Bible is much better than the Quran.

[00:50:18]Uh the the Quran is one book from one man telling you about the prophets. The Bible is the book of the prophets.

[00:50:27]It has many different prophets in it.

[00:50:29]Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah and like about six about 40 odd prophets in it.

[00:50:36]The prophet Joel, prophet Joel, Jeremiah, Jonah, heaps of different prophets. The Bible is an excellent book. The Bible has the original books of the prophets. It contains the history of God's dealing with the world. And um there is nothing in the Quran that compares to the law of Moses or the visions of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, and John or to the proverbs and searching of Solomon or the life and parables of Jesus or the theological rigor and description of love of the Apostle Paul. This beauty is even seen when translated into another language.

[00:51:16]So, you know, as Christians, I don't think we should just go, "Oh, Muslims say the Quran's amazing." The Bible is amazing. Uh, you know, I want Christians to to do what Psalm 119 says, and that is um to to to praise the word of God, right? As a Christian, you should do a Psalm 119. When a Muslim says to you, "The Quran is is immutable. It's it's eloquent. Just point out that it's not and say that it com it it does not compare at all to the Bible.

[00:51:53]It just doesn't have the depth of understanding. It doesn't have the history. It doesn't have the number of prophets. You know, in fact, the Quran assumes that you know the Bible. It assumes that you know it. And uh it it refers to the Bible as an authority.

[00:52:10]Right? The Bible is better than the Quran. It just is.

[00:52:17]And so as Christians, we we should stick with that. Now, where am I up to? I've got I've still got two more points to go.

[00:52:30]I might just stop there for today, George.

[00:52:36]So, I'll come back to you over here.

[00:52:44]I'll come back and start at reason five next time.

[00:52:47]>> Okay.

[00:52:49]>> Because it it takes you I don't want to rush these things and try to fit it all in.

[00:52:55]>> Yeah. Um some of the references you you used uh David Wood, Dr. David, he made a video called uh who killed Muhammad. Um and uh uh mentioning the yerta part uh uh and it's a really interesting video.

[00:53:14]He mentioning a lot of passages from the hadith and uh the Quran. Very powerful uh 15 20 minutes video. I encourage people to watch that video and uh uh you may be offended by the images and pictures he using but uh I I encourage you take a pen and paper if you're a Muslim. Write down the references.

[00:53:36]Confirm the references.

[00:53:38]Uh don't trust anyone. Go ahead and review it yourself. Check the hadith.

[00:53:44]Check the Quran. Confirm if it's true or not. And then ask yourself, is Muhammad a prophet or not?

[00:53:56]>> Um, this is the issue as we reach out to Muslims. Reverend Samuel, uh, and I'm sure you have the same experience. Uh, what the criteria they use to examine the Qur the Bible, they don't use it to examine the Quran.

[00:54:14]>> No. uh >> they they they would never question the Quran. They would never ask questions.

[00:54:25]>> Yeah. And I mean, I tried to show from those first four examples that it the Quran doesn't even it it doesn't even demonstrate logic in the way that it thinks, you know, or or it's a weird type of logic, you know, it puts forward these arguments which just just don't make sense. But then you know strangely you know strangely then work against it. So yeah >> it's very sad uh because um I keep challenging Muslims and I love uh your one page uh gospel track. What is the Bible?

[00:55:11]>> Uh I I used it many many many times with Muslims. I have a Muslim refusing to take the gospel tracks from us and then he saw me holding my Bible and he said what's that? And I thought, let me tell you what's that.

[00:55:24]>> Yes.

[00:55:25]>> 66 holy books revealed in 1500 years to more than 40 different prophets in three different countries in three different languages. He took the Bible. He say, "I'm not going to give it back to you."

[00:55:36]>> It's just awesome. It's just awesome.

[00:55:38]Very powerful because it's not longer one prophet against one prophet. Not longer one book against one book. No.

[00:55:44]All God's revelation against one book.

[00:55:47]>> Yes. revealed in two any supposed to be revealed in 23 years two different periods Meccans and Medinas and filled with contradictions and Nazul the abrogation theology in Islam one prophet he couldn't get it not contradicting each other but here 40 more than 40 different prophets but from beginning to end the same message directing toward Jesus very powerful very powerful >> uh I don't see any questions uh Um, I know, um, here someone put a comment.

[00:56:23]Uh, thank you, Samuel mean, uh, to pick up a copy of your book. Uh, but maybe >> you should wait.

[00:56:32]>> Yes. Um, I'm God willing, um, I've written about 80% of the second edition. Um, we've almost sold out of the first edition, so I'm doing the second edition now. And you may like to wait um God willing by the end of the year I'll have it ready.

[00:56:53]>> Um >> uh but while you're waiting go to >> Yeah.

[00:56:59]>> Yeah. I mean the first edition it is is still fine and you know read both read both it's only it's not an expensive book. So >> yeah uh this is this is chapter what now? eight or seven.

[00:57:16]>> Let me see. This is I think chapter Yeah, chapter eight. I think >> chapter eight. Uh if you go to our channel uh M2M network, the same channel you're in now, you can watch uh the lectures for the last seven chapters and uh but also um again, Reverend Samuel, what is your website?

[00:57:36]>> Engaging.

[00:57:36]>> So, it's engagingwithislam.org.

[00:57:40]Engagingwithislam.org.

[00:57:43]And in that website you can find booklets uh on the different main topics. Uh you can download free of charge. It's a great material that you can study more and uh it's just awesome.

[00:57:56]>> Yes. And there's the training course >> and you know and many many types of things there. So, what I'll just do though is let me just um because we've got a couple of minutes.

[00:58:14]So, let me just Whoops. Where are we?

[00:58:19]Let me just go.

[00:58:20]>> Are your books out of or order right now?

[00:58:24]>> Um they're they're almost out of they're almost out. I think my my publisher said there's 40 left.

[00:58:33]>> Okay. Wow.

[00:58:33]>> So So I mean, you know, you can read both and they're they're not going to be the same type of thing. So um >> yeah, I I I was planning to order soon a big quantity for our strong tower. We need to figure out that.

[00:58:48]>> Well, you'll have to check with the American people.

[00:58:52]>> Oh, okay. Okay. And that u maybe they have some here.

[00:58:56]>> Yeah. Now I'm I'm just scrolling back to brother Iran over here.

[00:59:03]Where are we? Um um yeah, someone uh is What do you mean the Quran is out? Oh, okay. The Quran is not in order. Yes, it's not.

[00:59:17]>> It's not chronological. Yep.

[00:59:19]>> Yeah.

[00:59:22]>> Okay. Here it is, mate. It was 13 years ago.

[00:59:26]um >> the debate with Imran.

[00:59:28]>> Yeah. So, what I'm gonna do is >> put put it on the chat here.

[00:59:33]>> I'll just put it up here.

[00:59:41]If you have a link, put it on the chat and I can copy it on the comments for people to click on it.

[00:59:50]That's awesome, man.

[00:59:52]That's really great. 13 years ago.

[00:59:57]>> Um, okay. I see it here. Let me I will put it for you guys to Uh oh.

[01:00:18]Sorry. Uh, a lot of crowd came.

[01:00:23]um in the comments if you guys want to watch uh the debate between brother Imran from uh Hyderabad India he's a student of Ahmed Datad and Zachary Nay and uh with Reverend Samuel the link I just posted it in the chat and feel free to share that with more people uh that's really awesome brother thank you so much uh you are always a blessing and uh for those watching Please uh put in your calendar uh September 11, 12, and 13 is our strong tower. Um the 25th year and also remembrance of September 11, the 25th uh remembrance of September 11 and uh uh Reverend Samuel will be with us, uh Dr. Tony Costa and um um many many of our debate debaters and speakers will be there uh from the UK. We having uh sister uh Beth and uh also Dr. Emil and uh many many people over 25 28 different speakers will be there but also Reverend Samuel will be staying to the weekend following weekend and he will be giving an entire course on evangelism to Muslims. I encourage you to sign up and uh uh actually uh by next week we will have the sign up and running in our website ministry tomuslims.com.

[01:01:53]Uh but um before we go, I just want to encourage you to pray for uh our ministry partner uh season apologetics in Nigeria. And I'm going to close our program with a video clip uh him sharing about the persecution in Nigeria. And I encourage you to go to their um uh Facebook uh to their social media and find a way to support them. Uh they need our prayers. Uh so many people being killed in Nigeria, so many people burn, churches being burned, uh people being kidnapped. Uh we need to to pray for our brothers and sisters in Nigeria.

[01:02:35]Um Reverend um Samuel, thank you so much. Thank you so much. You are always a blessing to us. Thank you, brother.

[01:02:43]>> It's a privilege to be on your channel.

[01:02:45]Thank you, George. And um goodbye to you and to everyone else.

[01:02:50]>> Thank you. Thank you.

[01:02:53]Where I'm standing right now um is a place in Nigeria, precisely just Nigeria. And where I'm standing is where you have over 500 persons, specifically men and women and children, but for the most part women and children where they actually buried. Now they were buried here as a result of the fact that on the 7th of March 2010 there was a massacre that took place over the night to the n of the morning.

[01:03:26]Meaning that this happened throughout the night and in the morning where people wake up they discover that over 500 persons have died. Now out of this 500 persons we have children, we have women who were helpless and of course men. Now I know that a couple of people are saying that this is a sort of clash, an earthly clash. What kind of earthly clash happens in the night when people are sleeping? They came upon them and they slaughter them like ram. Now how do you explain that as an earthly clash if not for genocide? Now this has happened over the years and this is one of the largest number that we have. Now behind me here is where these people are buried and of course it was a mass barrier. So if you're sitting down in your comfort zone and you're seeing that all of the reportings of the killings that have been shown to you in videos and pictures and made up or that these things are over bloated and exaggerated, you have no excuse to say that any further because where I'm standing right now is a testimony and a witness against that because right here over 500 persons actually were buried and you can see their names. Look at the names from 100 to 189, then 252 right here. If you go to the back, you're going to see that these numbers start from 253 up until 501.

[01:04:57]These are not just numbers. These are humans, women, children, and men. So, if you're thinking that this is made up, you need to have a rethink. But more importantly, what if those who died there are your relatives? What if the children that died here are your own children? What if the men that died here are your own husband? Would you still be saying what you are saying? And what I want you to know is that this information that is coming out right here is real, is authentic, and the best you can do is to spread this information. let people know that indeed there is genocide in this nation. Thank you and God bless.