Fired Immediately — Tyrant Calls Police Racist and Gets a Free Education | First Amendment part-2

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[00:00:00]Hey folks, welcome back to the channel where we would talk about police interactions to make sure you know your rights as a citizen and also understand the legal rules for filming in public.

[00:00:10]We are highlighting some very important cases today. You'll find links to each creator's channel in the video description. Be sure to subscribe to them, watch their others videos, and don't forget to subscribe to mine as well. Now, let's jump into our first video and we'll talk more later. I'm trying to see what I'm dealing with right now.

[00:00:28]J. Kennedy Grass has his weapon unstrapped with his hand on it. And his supervisor here, which is SC Crooks, is telling him that that's totally legal.

[00:00:36]Now, watch this. Can I unstrap my gun and touch it? No.

[00:00:39]I can't? So, why is he doing it then?

[00:00:41]Because if you do that, we'll start considering this as a threat. So, that's not a threat to me?

[00:00:45]>> No, sir. I haven't broken a law. Okay.

[00:00:47]He's wearing outside of caution. But, that's not a threat to me. This police officer has over ran outside of caution with >> Y'all work for me, and that's not a threat to me? No, we don't work Yes, you do. You work for the public. You're a public servant.

[00:00:57]>> Department >> Which is a public servant. You're a public servant. Tax dollars pay you.

[00:01:01]>> Here's the deal.

[00:01:02]>> No, there's no deal. This is public property. I'm not talking to you. This is public. Show me affidavit with my name on it.

[00:01:08]Well, then I'm done talking to you. I'm done talking to you. This is public property. You can't make me leave here.

[00:01:13]Yeah, I do.

[00:01:14]Why?

[00:01:15]Why? I just want you to make the wrong move so you can lose your job and lose this lawsuit.

[00:01:19]>> That's what I thought. Make the wrong move, please. Make the wrong move.

[00:01:23]Make the wrong move.

[00:01:25]I didn't come to you. I didn't come to you. You came to me. That's right, because you're an armed individual on the property of the Charlotte Police Department.

[00:01:31]>> Is open carry legal in North Carolina?

[00:01:33]It is. So, what's the problem? Until until you're not allowed to be carrying on our property. Can you prove I'm not allowed? Yeah. How?

[00:01:39]Because this is the property of the Charlotte Police Department. But, is it public?

[00:01:44]That's all I want to know. Is it public?

[00:01:46]>> No. This is the property of the city of Charlotte. You This is not open to the public. At all. Nowhere on here is open to the public.

[00:01:52]>> I'm not going to keep engaging you in this conversation.

[00:01:54]>> just want you to answer my question.

[00:01:55]Huh? Is this open to the public right here?

[00:01:58]If somebody has to come in there and file a complaint or or or get public records. Tell me where they park it.

[00:02:06]Where do they park it?

[00:02:07]>> park here until they're asked to leave.

[00:02:08]They're allowed to park here, correct?

[00:02:10]Is there a meter saying that you have to be here a x amount of time?

[00:02:13]>> Until Until they're asked to leave.

[00:02:14]>> Until they're asked to leave.

[00:02:16]>> to be You have no authority over public property unless I've been trespassed.

[00:02:20]May I May I clarify something? Yes, sir, please. So, this is city of Charlotte property, right?

[00:02:24]>> City property is public property.

[00:02:25]>> And we are agents of which city?

[00:02:28]Is this public or private? Nobody I know this is city property, but is it public or private or private?

[00:02:34]So, it is public, but you can still be banned from this property because we're agents of this property.

[00:02:39]>> So, being banned and being asked to leave are two different things. So, this I don't want to ban you, but you can leave or we can ban you.

[00:02:46]>> You're right. Excuse me. Can is an option. You're right. I can leave.

[00:02:50]>> to leave, you will be placed under arrest. So, this is a public vehicular area for practice for parking. Those are vehicle codes. Those sidewalks there aren't made for cars to drive on, correct?

[00:02:59]>> is a parking lot. You're not considering this as Yeah, this is a parking lot, but you said it's for vehicles.

[00:03:04]>> Charlotte City of Charlotte has an ordinance that states if you have a vehicle in the You can take your hand off your gun, brother. I'm not going to touch mine, okay?

[00:03:11]I know you want to shoot [clears throat] me. It's okay. I'm not going to touch mine. Hey, so then why are you standing here? Your hand's nowhere near your gun.

[00:03:17]He's standing here. He's saying he's nowhere near his gun. And then you look at this coward here and his hand is on his gun.

[00:03:22]Why is his hand on his gun? Why is his hand on it? You asked me why is he a coward? Why is his hand on his I don't want to hear this sometime [ __ ] okay? I want I'm dealing with right now.

[00:03:31]There's no sometimes. I don't want to hear sometimes.

[00:03:34]Thank you. Please do what your supervisor asked you to do, please.

[00:03:37]Please do what your supervisor asked you to do.

[00:03:39]Oh, he could? So, now it's about can and can't. So, can I touch my gun? No. I can't touch my All right. So, why you got his hand on his? Would a reasonable person come to the police station and just walk around in the parking lot with a >> Is this about reason or is it about law?

[00:03:51]That's what I want to know. It's about law. Reason isn't above law, okay?

[00:03:55]>> property. If we ask you to leave, you >> But, it's public. It's public. You can't ask public people to leave something.

[00:04:01]>> can. No. How?

[00:04:02]How? Please tell me how. The police department are agents of this city and this is city property. But, who do you work for?

[00:04:07]>> We can make you leave city property.

[00:04:10]>> You can't make You can ask me to leave.

[00:04:11]>> make you. You can't >> I can ask you. If you refuse, then you're currently trespassing, which is against the law.

[00:04:17]>> See, that's not Trespassing Trespassing goes like this. You ask me to leave, you sign an affidavit saying I've been trespassed, I don't come back.

[00:04:23]I would love to school you on No, that you're currently mistaken. I would love to >> So, am I trespassing right now? Have you been asked Has a lieutenant asked you to leave?

[00:04:32]>> He can ask me to do a million things.

[00:04:33]I'm on public property. But, if you're threatening arrest with physical violence, I will leave this place. Are you threatening We don't want to arrest you. Are you threatening me with arrest if I don't leave public property? That's a yes or no question.

[00:04:43]>> The arrest is the last thing we want to do. So, what we want to see is for you to exit the property peacefully. You see how you're trying peacefully? Peacefully.

[00:04:51]So, who can make this non-peaceful? Me or you? You. Me? Oh, I can make this non-peaceful. Is your body cam rolled?

[00:04:57]It is. It is? Okay, camera for your request that right there cuz this is So, you're on city property and you've been asked to leave. But, it's city property. That's like me walking the sidewalk and then y'all pull me and say, "Hey, you know what? I don't like you right here. I want you to go on the sidewalk." I don't have to do that. How?

[00:05:10]It's public.

[00:05:11]>> You're in a public vehicular area.

[00:05:12]There's city ordinances that restrict you from being in a public Public vehicle. You're giving me vehicle codes.

[00:05:16]I'm not in a parking spot. I'm on This right here is made for people to walk on.

[00:05:20]>> This is a parking lot.

[00:05:21]Do cars park right here?

[00:05:22]>> You're in a parking Do cars park right here in this area? Do cars park here?

[00:05:25]Yes. So, you're currently on city property. Which is public. You just stated that. You keep saying city is public.

[00:05:32]Sir, I'm asking you nicely, would you leave the property? If you do not leave the property right now, you will be subject to arrest. I will leave the property only because you threatened to arrest me for for being on public Okay.

[00:05:43]I'm leaving. All right, I'm leaving. If you do not I will arrest you. I'm leaving. Okay, I'm leaving. That's a threat, but I'm leaving. All right, I'm leaving. But, I will be standing right here, okay? Okay.

[00:05:55]You You You shut up talking to me.

[00:06:00]So, this is what I'm dealing with right here, okay?

[00:06:02]They won't answer if it's public or private. And I'm leaving. As you can see, I'm still walking towards the opposite direction, okay? They said it was And it's public property, okay? I want y'all to understand that. Can I have your name, please?

[00:06:13]Can I have your name? Holmes? Badge number?

[00:06:16]Badge number?

[00:06:17]Don't do badge numbers here? Okay.

[00:06:20]I I'm going. I'm I'm going. I'm going, okay?

[00:06:24]You You said that eight times. I'm going.

[00:06:27]All right, well, Oh, I understand perfectly. It's y'all that don't understand. It's me walking away without handcuffs on.

[00:06:34]This is what I deal with up in Charlotte, okay? I want y'all to stay tuned to this right here.

[00:06:39]This is what we deal with in Charlotte.

[00:06:41]So, they tried to tell me that city property isn't uh Hold on cuz I got a question for them right here. Hold on.

[00:06:47]Hold on.

[00:06:50]Is this still Is this still private right here?

[00:06:55]Is this public easement still your property?

[00:07:02]This public easement here?

[00:07:04]Y'all don't want to talk anymore?

[00:07:06]Okay.

[00:07:09]So, I'm on a public easement, which is this sidewalk right here.

[00:07:13]And they tell me that I can't be here.

[00:07:17]And if I I don't know if y'all can see it or not, but his hand is still on his gun.

[00:07:23]His hand is still on his gun.

[00:07:25]Oh, this is great here.

[00:07:27]Oh, this is great here.

[00:07:29]Man, this whole situation at the Charlotte Police Department is wild. The guy was just legally carrying his firearm, walking around on public property, and suddenly he's got cops with their hands on their guns like he's a threat. It's like, "Dude, if I can't touch my gun without it being seen as a threat, why is it okay for this officer to have his hand on his?" And when the guy calls it out, the cops say it's out of caution, but come on. That's just intimidating behavior. What really gets me is the back and forth about whether the parking lot is public or private.

[00:08:00]The officers couldn't give a straight answer. First, they're saying it's city property, which should be public, but then they're acting like it's private and they can just kick people out whenever they feel like it. That's not how public property works. If it's public, people have a right to be there unless there's a legit reason to trespass them, and "Because we said so" isn't a good enough reason. The guy even says he'll leave only because they're threatening him with arrest, not because he's actually [music] doing anything wrong. That's the kind of pressure that makes people feel like they don't have rights when they do.

[00:08:33]It's not just about this one encounter.

[00:08:35]It uh shows a bigger problem with how some police officers use their authority to push people around, especially when they know the public might not fully understand their rights.

[00:08:45]This is why it's important for people to know the law and not let intimidation tactics slide. Knowledge is power and it keeps law enforcement in check.

[00:08:54]>> Here is the thing.

[00:08:56]At this point, you're saying you can bring it in. So, what you're doing is you're going against a lawful order. The lawful order is It's not a lawful order, ma'am. What's your What's your name and your badge number? You are disturbing the peace. What is your name and your badge number, ma'am? I'm not disturbing the peace. I can I'm coming up here.

[00:09:12]Y'all disturbing the peace. You stopped me from going into an event.

[00:09:16]>> I didn't stop you. How am I disturbing the peace? Are you Are you going to let Ma'am, I have every right to talk.

[00:09:23]You do, but I'm I do, too.

[00:09:25]>> You may speak. It's a It's a give and take. By all means, speak.

[00:09:28]>> All right. So, at this point right now, you are disturbing the peace.

[00:09:32]>> No, ma'am. Who's the complainant? You?

[00:09:36]The school system and everybody >> Ma'am, who is the complainant? You can't be the complainant. Just cuz you say that?

[00:09:44]The school does not allow >> Ma'am, I know my laws, too. I'm not a fly-by-night. I know I know. And y'all know you're wrong. You know that if I go in there, all you're going to do is cost the taxpayers in your department money.

[00:09:55]That's all you're going to do because I will fight it and I will see you in court. All of y'all. And you're going to lose your qualified immunity, too, because you absolutely know what I'm Let's continue disturbing the peace.

[00:10:06]Ma'am, I'm not disturbing the peace. Who again has said I'm disturbing the peace?

[00:10:09]You talked yourself into it. That's Who Who Judge, your honor, no one here has said I'm disturbing the peace except for this officer right here.

[00:10:18]And uh student prior to that, you were being very loud.

[00:10:21]Ma'am, you stopped me from traveling for a tea and a coffee. I think it's petty.

[00:10:28]It is the policy of the >> I don't care about pussying, man. We're talking law. What law stops me from coming into a public place with a tea? That's where you're wrong. This is not a public place. This is private property. Sir, I'm still waiting for him. He He's had 2 hours now to pull it up. Y'all haven't pulled it up. You know why you haven't pulled it up? Because you'll never pull it up. It is a public My tax dollars fund it. And just cuz you can lie to me doesn't make it true. You're not bringing it in. You can't bring it in.

[00:10:59]You can say whatever you want, ma'am.

[00:11:01]You can say whatever you want.

[00:11:04]This says you can't.

[00:11:06]This is try to get you to leave. Do you have tickets already? Neither side?

[00:11:11]What do you say? Yeah.

[00:11:13]Well, I can read it to you. I mean, it's not that I'm trying to be an ass. It's that I have a right to come on the public property that I And they make the rules. I didn't like We didn't make these rules, either. I don't care about your Sir, what law would I be breaking? How can you enforce a rule? What comes first, rule or law?

[00:11:31]You're You're Okay. What comes first?

[00:11:34]Because this is the administration. They have allowed >> Sir, what comes first? high school in Georgia can adopt rules to to to enforce. So >> The Constitution or their or their rules? I don't care about that, sir.

[00:11:46]high school have the right to not allow you into the premises if you don't follow the rules.

[00:11:50]>> they don't. How do they have a right?

[00:11:52]Because this is What law am I breaking?

[00:11:55]This is private property.

[00:11:56]>> This is not private property. This is not private property. No, it's not. Yes, it is. You're absolutely 100% wrong.

[00:12:02]>> think that you have access to that building right now?

[00:12:04]>> I can go into your department.

[00:12:07]Tell me I can't. It's closed right now.

[00:12:09]>> I can go in there. I can film. I have a right to film you in the course of your duties.

[00:12:13]>> hours? You can, but in a controlled access point, which this is a controlled access point. You do not >> care about this controlled access point.

[00:12:21]You're here. The only thing I had to do was pay an admission and walk in. This is not controlled. This is not a secured It sure is. How is it secured, sir?

[00:12:31]Because we have administrators that are checking to make sure nobody carries in water bottles. You're not allowed to take bags. Georgia law says school boards can adopt policy conducting control and access. If a visitor refuses to comply, they can direct them to leave. That's what we're writing down.

[00:12:46]So, again What What would I be It's the law that the school board adopt policies for their property.

[00:12:50]>> you read that at? Where are you getting this from? I'm getting it from online.

[00:12:53]OCGA 16-7-21.

[00:12:55]I'd like to hear it.

[00:12:56]So, anyways, what was your name and badge number?

[00:12:59]I'm Officer Chapman. My badge number is 109. And yours? Conrad, Officer Conrad, 129. And yours, sir?

[00:13:04]>> Mike James, 129.

[00:13:05]>> And yours in the background, sir? What was your name and I appreciate it. And again, I'm not trying to be a butt, but again, you're being a little You think that's very professional? No, I think that you're acting very irrational and you're too As soon as you started recording that, your attitude changed 100%.

[00:13:22]>> Sir. And I have it all recorded, too.

[00:13:24]So, we're going to go. I'm only requesting. So, that's fine. You can have it recorded, but I'm telling you You want to come into the game?

[00:13:29]>> I'm going to go into the game. Whether you arrest me or not, I'll take the arrest. Again, I'm happy to take it. You can take it and go in the game. You know, if y'all want to pay off my mortgage, let's do it.

[00:13:39]I'll take the night in jail. No, if you want to buy your ticket this way and go in the game. We want everyone to be happy and come in. I mean, there's no reason for this.

[00:13:47]And I want to go into them. And I didn't want all this confrontation. I just wanted to go and pay my money, walk in, sit down, drink my sweet tea that I can't get here, and drink my frappuccino that I paid for.

[00:13:58]Well What is so What is What is What is No, you're not.

[00:14:01]No, you're not. You're just being condescending. You're not anything. I unfortunately the regulations for the school games You're just pissed off you couldn't do anything about it.

[00:14:12]outside food You're doing my job.

[00:14:13]>> And that's the process every high school to stop me from wanting walking on the public property. That's your job?

[00:14:18]>> That's every every high school I've already explained it to you. I'm not going to explain it to you again.

[00:14:23]This whole thing feels like one of those moments where rights, rules, and attitude all crash into each other. The guy just wanted to walk into a football game with his tea and coffee. That's it, and he's not crazy for thinking the place is public. A high school stadium paid for by taxpayers is public property. So, in general, people do have the right to be there, attend games, and record if they want. That part matters.

[00:14:47]But here's where it gets tricky. Even on public property, schools can set basic rules for events. Stuff like no outside drinks, no bags, or controlled entry points. That's pretty normal across the country, especially for school safety.

[00:15:00]So, the officers weren't wrong to say, "You can come in, just not with the drinks." Where they messed up is how they handled it. Telling him he's disturbing the peace just because he's arguing is weak. Talking back and being loud isn't a crime by itself, and going back and forth about private property didn't help, either. That only made things more confusing and heated. The guy also didn't help himself. He was right to question things, but once it turned into nonstop arguing, threats of lawsuits, and "I'll take the arrest." it became more about winning than solving the problem. All he really wanted was to watch the game with his drinks.

[00:15:36]Honestly, this could have ended in 30 seconds. Sir, the stadium is public, but the school doesn't allow outside drinks.

[00:15:42]You can dump them or take them back to your car. Done. Instead, it turned into a standoff, not about tea or coffee, but about pride. And that's usually when simple situations turn stupid.

[00:15:54]Department of Children and Family Services Division Security cameras in use at this facility.

[00:16:02]You are correct on that.

[00:16:20]Can I help you?

[00:16:22]No, I'm all set for now. What are you doing?

[00:16:24]Huh? What are you doing? What do you mean, what am I doing? I'm recording, taking pictures. For what?

[00:16:29]What do you mean?

[00:16:30]For what? Why are you taking pictures?

[00:16:32]Cuz I want to. That's all.

[00:16:34]Okay.

[00:16:37]But no, you don't need to do this. Do what?

[00:16:39]>> You're not taking pictures in here. I'm not in there. You can leave. What do you mean I can leave? This is a public building. Yeah, but you don't need to put take recorders in here. I'm not inside. You don't need to take it. I'm in a public area, thank you. out in here. You cannot record. There's no expectation Then you should probably cover that up, wouldn't you?

[00:16:57]No, I won't leave. You're not going to tell me to leave. You need to leave the office if you don't have an appointment.

[00:17:02]Please. No, I don't think so. I pay taxes, too.

[00:17:04]>> Would you like me to call the police? Go ahead, if you want to.

[00:17:08]Oh, here I'm coming.

[00:17:14]You should probably go cover up some personal information. Sorry. Are you going to leave? No.

[00:17:18]I'm working.

[00:17:20]You don't need to film in here. Ma'am, you're not going to tell me what to do.

[00:17:23]I appreciate it. Thank you.

[00:17:25]Hi. Good you.

[00:17:27]Can I have her name, please?

[00:17:29]What's her name?

[00:17:31]Hey, can I help you? Uh no, I'm all set.

[00:17:33]Okay. Thank you. Can I have her name, though? What's your name? It's right here. Oh. Yeah. Can I have yours? Sure, Carolina. Awesome. What's your position here? Um I don't know what why you're asking.

[00:17:44]Well, it's public interest. Okay.

[00:17:47]What kind of public interest? W- What is your name? Your position? What kind of public interest do you have? I just asked you a question.

[00:17:53]What is You gave me your name. What is your position? I I will not give you my position till I have your name.

[00:17:58]>> Are you ashamed of it? I don't know.

[00:18:00]Then why wouldn't you Not at all. Okay. So, why not you? No, it's for ignorance like you. I don't think that's your only way. I know, it's ignorance. I I show the same respect.

[00:18:09]So, if you don't want to give me your position, I'll give you the same respect back.

[00:18:12]So.

[00:18:14]Burlington Police Department dispatched tomorrow.

[00:18:16]Hi, this is Pat from Can you shut my door from uh DCF? I'm sorry about that.

[00:18:20]>> Okay. I'm calling the police. Is that all right? I I'm sorry, ma'am. Go ahead.

[00:18:24]I work for Family Services here at 100 Memorial Street. We have a an individual here that will not leave our office.

[00:18:31]He's videotaping, and he's yeah, creating a stir here. Uh is he inside your office? Yes. Well, not inside the office. He's in the lobby, but people were in there, and we have some kids crying, and so Okay. All right. So, he's in the lobby of the DCF office. Yeah.

[00:18:48]Okay. We'll have him up there, Pat.

[00:18:49]Thank you. All right.

[00:18:52]Are you guys doing something wrong here or Are you guys No, I mean, you you are pretty intimidating. You're uncomfortable. I am? Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh.

[00:19:01]That's interesting.

[00:19:02]>> When you come in with you come in with a camera, you don't share your name.

[00:19:05]>> Yeah, I don't need to. people's positions Yeah, you work for me. You work for me, that's why. Okay. And because the ignorance that she showed telling me I can't video record in a public building. I can't? No, this is not your public building. Oh, of course it is. It's It's the state of Vermont, which is the taxpayers' money. Yeah, we pay for this building including your salary. Yeah, I think you have a twisted Yeah. Well, this is my job.

[00:19:27]That's real professional. Yeah. Okay.

[00:19:29]Thanks for the transparency.

[00:19:31]Huh? Is there anything we can do for you?

[00:19:33]No, I think you've shown exactly what I came here for. Okay. Yeah.

[00:19:38]So.

[00:19:39]Do you have a business card? Can you please not Do you have a business card?

[00:19:42]There we have private information.

[00:19:43]>> Then you should Okay. You talk about HIPAA, right?

[00:19:46]The onus is on you for the privacy. You have to cover that up, not me. You'll be in violation if I get it, not me. Okay.

[00:19:53]So, you should probably do that.

[00:19:55]If you're so concerned about it. Well, I'm concerned about your your how you're acting uncomfortable. Well, that's too bad. Okay. You're threatening right now.

[00:20:02]>> Me me My taxes are threatening. My my taxes that I pay for this building is concerning.

[00:20:09]>> threatening. Well, I'm concerned I'm threatening you? I'm here and you spy on us. You said I threatened you? What with what kind of threat? Your you how you >> My just my presence alone is a threat to you? Oh, that's really sad. You should probably call the feelings police then.

[00:20:22]Maybe they could subside that feeling for you.

[00:20:25]Instead of the law, which you should probably know.

[00:20:27]>> That you are that you make us feel uncomfortable.

[00:20:29]>> Well, then maybe you should go to the private sector. I would bet you wouldn't last there though. Got a nice cushy job here in the AC and state funds and >> feel uncomfortable. Keep >> Then walk away.

[00:20:40]Please leave.

[00:20:40]>> No.

[00:20:42]I'm asking you to to please >> And I'm going to respectfully decline.

[00:20:46]You don't have to engage with me anymore. You've already shown your true colors and not giving me any transparency with your position. I'll pull your salary and everything. I'll make it public, so. And then we'll see how much our taxes actually pay for the services you're not providing. People feel uncomfortable here. Well, that's too bad.

[00:21:02]Your cameras are making me feel uncomfortable. Can you shut those off too, please? I feel uncomfortable. Can you shut off your cameras? They're making me feel uncomfortable, ma'am.

[00:21:08]>> You make us feel uncomfortable. Can you please leave? Your cameras are making me feel uncomfortable. Can you shut them off? Please. No.

[00:21:15]I'm not done here yet.

[00:21:18]You can't You are making us feel uncomfortable. My camera is making you feel uncomfortable?

[00:21:22]That's pretty sad. officer 1728 There's a male subject inside that building and in their lobby videotaping the kids and what's going on in their office. They've asked him to leave. He's refusing.

[00:21:37]Ask me to leave a public building, huh?

[00:21:39]That's all.

[00:21:41]No.

[00:21:44]So, there's the call, guys.

[00:21:47]And it's Springfield PD who doesn't even have jurisdiction in this building. The state police are actually the ones who have jurisdiction here, so. Please leave.

[00:21:55]Do you have a business card?

[00:21:57]Can you please leave?

[00:21:59]Can I have each one of these business cards, please? Yeah, after I get one of these business cards. I'm not going to give one to you. You're not going to provide a business card to me? Why not?

[00:22:07]Cuz you make You I feel threatened by you. You have pepper spray on your thing. Mhm. That's for my protection.

[00:22:13]Yeah, okay. What do you So, you make me feel uncomfortable. I don't know if you're going to take that out in here and make us uncomfortable. Through a window? Do you Do you hear the logic that you're speaking of? You make me feel Why would I do such a thing? I'd like you to leave.

[00:22:26]Why would I do such a thing?

[00:22:29]Can I have a business card, please? Then I'll leave.

[00:22:32]Okay. Well, I'd like to have a business card. We will treat with respect and we expect the same in return.

[00:22:38]Yeah, I think you have that backwards.

[00:22:40]Can I have a business card, please? I'm not going to give you >> I'd like to pull some public records.

[00:22:44]You are I feel threatened by you. I want to Okay. Well, I'm not leaving and the police are not going to make me leave either. And I'll be right back when they leave. They'll leave before I do. I guarantee you that.

[00:22:55]Oh, I'll be back for a business card.

[00:22:57]Thank you.

[00:23:00]Oh, here's the feelings police for you.

[00:23:03]They'll straighten you out. No worries.

[00:23:20]So, the state police are covering second shift. They have no second shift here in Springfield, Vermont.

[00:23:31]I could only imagine why.

[00:23:33]Do you feel better now?

[00:23:35]Did they subside your feelings?

[00:23:38]The feelings police?

[00:23:41]Did you subside their feelings?

[00:23:42]>> I think we got it under control. Oh, I already had it under control, man. You know that. All right.

[00:23:46]Oh, not going to touch their property. No worries, ma'am.

[00:23:51]This camera is all around the building, including mine.

[00:23:54]But you have the audacity to tell me I can't record, huh? Have a good rest of your day. You too, man. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. Appreciate it.

[00:24:01]Why uh why isn't anybody taking second shift, man? I'm low curious on that.

[00:24:05]Don't know. Don't worry about that.

[00:24:07]Oh, that's okay. You did? Okay. Just didn't want to go there.

[00:24:11]This situation at this family services office really shows how fast things can go sideways when people mix fear with authority. The guy was standing in a public building lobby with a camera. He wasn't breaking anything, touching anyone, or blocking the work being done.

[00:24:26]He was just recording what he could see, which is something the law allows in public spaces. Instead of calmly explaining any real limits, the staff jumped straight to "You need to leave and you're not allowed to do that."

[00:24:39]That's where the problem started. You could hear it in their voices.

[00:24:43]It wasn't about rules anymore. It was about being uncomfortable and wanting control back. Feeling uncomfortable is human, especially around kids, but feelings alone don't change what's legal. [music] The cameraman wasn't perfect either. He was blunt, sarcastic, and clearly trying to make a point. That kind of attitude can make people defensive fast.

[00:25:05]But being annoying or rude still isn't a crime. A public building doesn't turn private just because someone works there or because sensitive things happen inside.

[00:25:15]What stood out most is how quickly "We're uncomfortable" turned into "Calling the police and talking about threats." That's dangerous territory.

[00:25:24]When discomfort becomes a reason to involve law enforcement, regular people can lose their rights in a hurry.

[00:25:30]>> [music] >> In the end, the police didn't remove him, which says a lot. It quietly confirms he was allowed to be there. The whole thing could have been simple.

[00:25:38]Acknowledge his right to record, set clear boundaries about private offices, and move on.

[00:25:43]Moments like this remind you that rights don't protect themselves. You have to know them and sometimes you have to stand there calmly while others try to push you out of spaces that belong to everyone.

[00:25:54]Are members of the public allowed in that area?

[00:25:57]>> to tell you that I'm not going to let you take this picture in here. So, you need to step outside.

[00:26:03]Are you familiar with the DHS memo? Is this open to the public?

[00:26:09]Is this open to the public?

[00:26:11]What are you trying to do? I I see you're recording, but what are you trying to do? Uh I just wanted to find out what this substation does. Maybe get some brochures. Yeah, yeah. Of course.

[00:26:19]Um yeah, and this is the the main entrance. Okay. And then >> [clears throat] >> Thank you. Do you Are you working with anybody or is this on your own?

[00:26:27]Independent. Okay. Cool. Um yeah, so this is my lunch. Sorry. Oh, no worries.

[00:26:33]Uh if you need to talk to me, you can go to the main counter right there.

[00:26:39]He is in charge. Chief Meado.

[00:26:41]Um is there anything specifically that you're No, I Or you just want to see what you could see? Just see what I can see.

[00:26:47]>> Okay. Is But this is a government office right here and there's no filming allowed in this area. You can film outside though. Actually, that's incorrect per the DHS memo from 2010 and 2018.

[00:27:00]I've got a copy here if you want to see it.

[00:27:03]Do you have credentials on you or anything?

[00:27:05]Uh Don't need credentials, actually. Who are you? I'm a journalist.

[00:27:11]Mr. Diaz?

[00:27:12]Where's your ID?

[00:27:14]I don't carry >> a journalist ID or anything? I do not.

[00:27:18]How do we know you're a journalist then?

[00:27:21]Well, you can see the cameras, right?

[00:27:23]That doesn't mean that I got a camera, too. Then you can be a journalist.

[00:27:28]I'm just fine. I'm not doing anything.

[00:27:31]Yeah. You can't go in there though.

[00:27:33]Is it open to the public?

[00:27:36]He can He can go in there. You can't go in the back offices, but this is the main main entrance. This is a public foyer. Uh-huh.

[00:27:44]If you come this side. Thank you.

[00:27:46]That's our main office where they have cargo and stuff like that. And then these are the side offices that are our private offices, except for if you go right in the entrance, that would be our vestibule office. But as far as like the back office right there, that's like their private offices for themselves. And then that would be where you would go for cargo issues or questions or anything Okay.

[00:28:05]So, this this one right here, I can or cannot go in there? You can go in the main doors right there. You just can't go into the like the back office area.

[00:28:12]That's their their private their private space. Okay. We share this area. This is our public foyer, like I said. We share it with Mary's Place, which is next door.

[00:28:21]Okay. So, they go in and out of here, too, but it's not it's not restricted as far as like this area right here. Okay.

[00:28:27]Just so you know. All right. Hey, thank you very much.

[00:28:29]>> Yeah, um the one that was talking to you about filming, he's Chief Meado. If you have questions, he would be in charge of this area right here. Okay.

[00:28:36]>> But you can go in these double glass doors if you needed to speak with somebody. Yeah, I'll just go in and take a couple pictures and Yeah, that's fine.

[00:28:42]Cool. Thank you very much.

[00:28:50]How you doing? Good. You'll have to come out this way. The other guy said I could come in here.

[00:28:54]>> No, you cannot be filming in here.

[00:28:56]The other guy said I could. Well, I'm telling you you can't. So, you need to step out this way. Is this open to the public?

[00:29:03]No, this is for business.

[00:29:06]This is business.

[00:29:08]Then you need to step out here. You can talk to me about your business.

[00:29:11]Sir, I'm not going to ask you again. You need to step outside here.

[00:29:15]There is no filming in this area. Is this open to the public? Yes or no?

[00:29:20]This is not a public area. No. Okay.

[00:29:22]Well, the other guy just told me it was.

[00:29:25]So, we have areas that the public come into to take care of paperwork, but not in this area. So, can you guys help me out? One of you is telling me this is public. One of you is telling me it isn't.

[00:29:36]This area is a public area. Okay. So, I was told specifically I could go in here and take pictures. No, you cannot take pictures in there. There is no photograph in that area. So, are members of the public allowed in that area?

[00:29:51]>> going to tell you that I'm not going to let you take this picture in here. So, you need to step outside.

[00:29:57]Are you familiar with the DHS memo? Yes, I am. Okay.

[00:30:01]So, just this way, I'll show you where you can take photos.

[00:30:05]You still haven't answered my When you were outside in that area, then yes, you can take all the photos that you want.

[00:30:10]Is You still haven't answered the question. Is this area open to the public?

[00:30:15]And I believe that answer is yes.

[00:30:21]Just this way.

[00:30:23]Is Do people come in here to do paperwork? Sir, I'm not going to play these games with you. I'm I'm already telling you that you can take the photos, you can take video outside, but you can't take video inside the office, whether you're in the public area or not. Well, that is absolutely incorrect.

[00:30:41]I have a copy of the DHS memo with me.

[00:30:43]Would you like to read it?

[00:30:44]>> You can come and show me. Sure. I'll put it right here on the on the glass counter. You're going to bring it back on this way. No, I'm going to put it right here for you to read.

[00:30:53]All right, here we go.

[00:30:55]Let's go.

[00:30:57]Fine.

[00:30:59]Do you mind telling me what's going on over here with the Customs Office?

[00:31:03]I'd rather not say anything. Do you want to discuss it?

[00:31:08]I I would rather not discuss it. Okay.

[00:31:10]All right. Well, we understand you have the the freedom to be out here. It's a public area.

[00:31:14]Um we just request and the Customs requests if you don't have any official business in the Customs Office, and filing paperwork with them and whatnot, they don't want you there.

[00:31:22]Well, that's not the way the law works.

[00:31:24]>> No, we're not going to get into that. I mean, we're just saying that stop then.

[00:31:27]We're just telling you that, okay?

[00:31:29]You stop. You just listen to what I have to say.

[00:31:30]>> No, no, no, no. I I I've got the law behind me.

[00:31:33]>> have the law. You don't have the law.

[00:31:34]You don't have the law.

[00:31:35]>> if you want.

[00:31:35]>> have any business there, you're not going to go in there.

[00:31:37]>> Journalism is business.

[00:31:38]>> To sit in there in the lobby and just to film away, that is not journalism or business, You are incorrect on both.

[00:31:43]You're incorrect on both. You're free to be out here all you like, okay? So, >> that. And that's that's fine. And you'll be fine. You have a nice day.

[00:31:50]>> You too.

[00:31:57]Hey, question for you.

[00:32:02]Can I get your name and badge number, please?

[00:32:04]Shumate, 311. Shumate, 311.

[00:32:06]Hey, not to belabor the point, but are you familiar with the DHS memo 2010-2018?

[00:32:12]>> No, I don't work for DHS. Okay. Well, actually, it should have been disseminated to all law enforcement officers.

[00:32:16]>> Probably not. Okay.

[00:32:18]Check up on 41 CFR 420 then. Okay.

[00:32:22]All righty.

[00:32:23]Have a nice day. You too.

[00:32:29]Can I get your name and badge number, please? It's Officer Hesslin, badge number 297. Thanks, sir. Have a nice day. This kind of situation really highlights how important it is to know your rights and not be afraid to calmly stand up for them. Imagine you're just a regular person, maybe an independent journalist or even just a curious citizen, walking into a government building that clearly has a public lobby. You've got your camera out, just snapping a few photos or recording some video for a story or personal project.

[00:32:57]Everything's calm, you're polite, and you're in a space that's supposed to be open to the public. Then someone suddenly tells you that you're not allowed to film, that you need to leave, or even threatens to call law enforcement. That's exactly what happened here. One person says filming is fine, the next says it's not, and no one seems to be on the same page, even when you show them proof, like the DHS memo that clearly outlines your right to record in publicly accessible areas.

[00:33:22]What's wild is that this isn't even an isolated case.

[00:33:26]It happens a lot, and many times it's just because people don't fully understand what the law actually says, but the First Amendment doesn't require a press pass or a big news organization behind you.

[00:33:38]If you're out in public, not crossing into restricted areas, and not causing a disturbance, you're absolutely allowed to record. This isn't about being confrontational, it's about holding onto the freedoms we all have, because if we don't use those rights, they can start to slip away. So, next time someone tries to shut down a camera in a public place, remember, it's not about the camera, it's about the Constitution.

[00:34:01]Someone's about to call 911.

[00:34:04]I can help you. I just want to get a stamp. Yeah, what are my choices for different stamps?

[00:34:08]>> Um as far as just getting a single, can you please not put that in my face?

[00:34:12]Well, I'm just putting >> don't want you film You can film in the building. It's just personally me, I don't want to be filmed on your phone.

[00:34:18]Okay. Could you please stop?

[00:34:20]>> No. Yes. I don't think You Like I said, you can film anywhere in the building, but me as a person, no.

[00:34:26]>> I'm not supposed to do it.

[00:34:27]>> Well, just like you can't film anybody without their consent on the street, >> Okay. So, if I go out there and you're out there, I I need your consent?

[00:34:34]>> Sir, I know what you're trying to do.

[00:34:35]I'm >> I'm just trying to clarify because So, So, there's no miscommunication.

[00:34:39]>> I'm at work. You can't just come in and film me at work if I'm asking you not.

[00:34:43]Just like you can't record somebody's conversation without them knowing.

[00:34:46]You know I have a camera on right now.

[00:34:48]Yes, cuz I've seen you filming. And I'm recording.

[00:34:50]>> I'm asking you to please take it off of my face. If you can put it down on the stamps, that's fine. Like down here?

[00:34:55]That's fine. But if up here >> But please not my face.

[00:34:58]>> So, no, no? It's just kind of rude. And I'm being doing a really bad thing by filming you?

[00:35:02]>> Sir, look, I know what you're trying to do. You're doing the whole I'm going to film you and you're going to get upset.

[00:35:06]>> I'm not asking you to get upset. I just want a stamp. That'd be nice. Yeah.

[00:35:10]Okay. Somebody please call Uh-huh. Yeah, cuz I know we both know what you're doing. You're trying to get a reaction out of me. Just filming. The camera's just a passive Well, what's the point?

[00:35:20]Just I just want to get a stamp. Then film the stamps. Well, this is all part of my transaction. Is it? Do you do this everywhere you go? I'm doing it today.

[00:35:28]But what Why?

[00:35:31]Just because it's interesting. The post office is But it's the stamps that's interesting, not me. I'm not harassing anybody.

[00:35:38]>> I've asked you multiple times to not film my face.

[00:35:41]I told you you can film in this in this building as much as you want.

[00:35:45]She's calling 911.

[00:35:47]Is it an emergency she said? Well, she probably stated it's not an emergency.

[00:35:51]You can call 911 and not say it's not an emergency. I said it had to be an emergency. You can call and say this is not an emergency, but I would like to speak to somebody. But doesn't kind of tie up the lines Well, I mean, you're the one that's prompting it. But you don't feel If you really were concerned, you wouldn't put yourself in the position. Do you feel like you're threatened by me? No? I just feel like you're trying to get a rise out of me.

[00:36:12]>> Well, so why is she calling 911 now?

[00:36:14]Do It's a job that's a police officer's job. I understand what you're doing, and I know you're patronizing me. It's not going to work. I've worked in this for a long time.

[00:36:21]>> I didn't say you called 911. She dialed the number.

[00:36:24]>> But you know it's because of you, and you knew this was going to happen.

[00:36:27]>> know that was going to happen. I just want to get a stamp, and I was wondering which kind of >> as you have the phone on my face, I'm not going to help you. You can't give me service? Not if you're filming my face.

[00:36:36]She's totally calling the police on me because I'm It's like you knew it was going to happen. No, I didn't know. I can't control other people's actions. Well, your actions, but here we are in the same position. Okay. So, if you're going to stay here, we can both stay here in the same spot.

[00:36:49]>> Why can't I just get a stamp? Because I've asked you multiple my face on it.

[00:36:52]But you guys have cameras here, don't you? We do. Over there. But are they on me, too?

[00:36:57]>> They're postal, so I know they're there.

[00:36:59]I know, but is that filming me, that camera? Not Well, maybe. So, do I have a right to say no? Yeah, you can leave if you want.

[00:37:07]>> it's a post office in a public post office, right?

[00:37:09]>> Yeah, we're going to be here for a while. I'm sorry, he won't uh selling my stamp because I have a camera. Don't film my face.

[00:37:16]>> Do you Do you know anything about the poster seven? It's right there. I know he's filming. Cuz it's our right to film.

[00:37:21]He wants to film us in Oh, there's the police officer.

[00:37:24]I just want to get a stamp. Yeah, and I've asked And I wanted that stamp right there. Okay. So, I don't know what the problem is.

[00:37:30]>> I've asked you not to film my face. I said you can film as much as you want in here, but just not my face. Well, I can film his face, right? Can I film your face, sir? I would, yeah. I know they just they went to Sumas the other day, and they did the same thing. I've never been to Sumas before.

[00:37:43]>> you. Who's we? post these videos on YouTube. So, you you're probably familiar with poster seven if you watched the video like this.

[00:37:50]>> I know exactly where you're going. Sir, you need to leave. They want you to leave. No, I'm not going to leave. Just share something with you really quick, okay?

[00:37:58]I just share one thing for you guys, just one thing.

[00:38:01]Can you read this for me, please?

[00:38:04]Can you read it? I'm not going to play your game.

[00:38:06]>> It's not a game. This was made by people who fought for our country. It's an old shirt. It's a good shirt, a beautiful shirt. And it's a shirt that we should all live by. You can pull your camera out. You have a camera on you? How come you don't have your body cam? You guys were issued body cams.

[00:38:20]Look, I stand for all the amendments.

[00:38:23]Except this one.

[00:38:24]now want you in this building, and they have the right to tell you to leave.

[00:38:29]>> need to look do a 180. I'm no at no threat to her, and you need to do a 180 and look at poster seven. Poster seven gives me right I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story. I have every right to be here.

[00:38:41]I'm have my purpose to buy a stamp. Stop causing a scene. the attention you want all the little guys >> any attention. I'd prefer to come in here and just leave.

[00:38:50]If you're trespassing me, I'll leave, but it's an illegal trespass.

[00:38:55]I mean, I don't see it any other way, you know. I want I told him he can film as much as he wants, just not me Okay, so she knows that it's okay to do it here.

[00:39:03]It's already You're already being filmed. Why don't you just sell me your my stamp, and I'll be on my way? The first half of this post office situation really shows how a simple task can spiral when personal feelings override public duty. The guy walked into a post office to buy a stamp and record the interaction, which is something people are allowed to do in public spaces.

[00:39:22]Instead of just selling the stamp and moving on, the employee made it about herself and her discomfort with being filmed. That's where things went off the rails. Feeling uncomfortable doesn't give someone the power to deny service or rewrite the rules on the spot. What makes this frustrating is how how time and energy was wasted arguing over something that didn't matter. The customer wasn't threatening, yelling, or disrupting anything. He was calm and kept repeating the same thing. He just wanted a stamp. The employee knew filming in the building was allowed, but tried to carve out a personal exception for her face. That's not how public spaces work. If every public employee could opt out of being recorded, transparency would disappear overnight.

[00:40:07]Calling the police over this made it worse. Police resources shouldn't be used because someone doesn't like a camera. It turns a normal transaction into a confrontation and puts unnecessary pressure on everyone involved. The real-world impact is that citizens learn they might be denied basic services just for exercising a right.

[00:40:28]That's a dangerous message. Public buildings are meant to serve the public, not intimidate them into silence. This part of the video shows how quickly rights can be chipped away when misinformation and ego take the wheel. I mean, I could have just given you a stamp and you could have left. What you That's not the reason you're here and we both So, why don't you just sell me my stamp and then I'll be on my >> the prints and disrespect.

[00:40:49]>> been rude. I haven't said anything disrespectful to you.

[00:40:51]>> I've asked you to leave multiple times.

[00:40:53]I've asked you to take the camera out of my face times and you've played games.

[00:40:56]>> Patronized me and yes, I would yeah. I'd like to speak to your supervisor before you make a You are trespassing. You need to leave. It's an illegal trespass. I don't abide by illegal orders. You need to turn around and look at poster seven.

[00:41:08]If you're threatening me with arrest >> I'll If you're threatening me with arrest, I will leave. You are trespassing. Okay, I need to I need to be very clear about this and if you're threatening me with arrest, I will leave.

[00:41:21]The ball's in your court. If you quit talking, you would hear what I'm telling you. You need to leave. You are trespassing. Just let this guy go through there. Is your postmaster in?

[00:41:29]No. What's your Who's your postmaster?

[00:41:31]Sentinels. You better give Sentinel a call before you guys make a big mistake.

[00:41:35]If you're trespassing me Well, I'm saying legally you're going to have a problem. I will not have a problem. I don't own the post The post office will.

[00:41:42]Okay, specifically I recap what I just said. Specifically the post office will have a problem. There's a poster seven.

[00:41:48]All you have to do is go over there and read it.

[00:41:50]>> call the 1800 We're in a lobby area. I have >> the 1800 number for the post office.

[00:41:54]It's right there. It's right behind the Hallmark. I've worked here longer than you've been in this building.

[00:41:58]>> So, you know about poster seven. Yes.

[00:41:59]What I said and film whatever you'd like. Okay. But I would rather you not film my face while you do it.

[00:42:05]>> And that's your choice. It is. But it's not the law. It shouldn't get me thrown out of the post office for that. Do you not have anything better to do? Well, I mean, because I don't do exactly what you think I should be doing, you guys are filming me. I have every right to be here. I'm going to let this guy go if he wants to come Okay, she's not there and and she calls 911 and runs. I I've you've already been on camera. Out of sense, I'm sorry to say So, I just want to buy my stamp and then I'll be gone. No, I already told you.

[00:42:34]You need to come here, sir, please. I appreciate your time and your service.

[00:42:38]>> to do what you're telling me to do.

[00:42:39]That's all. Well, you're not going to abide by the law cuz right here it's a federal rules and regulations right here. You You know how to read, I'm assuming, right? I have to be rude to you now because you're being rude to me, okay? And that's my right. So, come and read poster seven and you'll see federal law there's 2018 DHS memo March of 2018 that gives me specific rights to film in lobbies and foyers. I have every right to be here.

[00:43:07]I'm fine. You're making a big mistake.

[00:43:08]If you threaten me with arrest right here, I swear that I will contact my lawyer.

[00:43:13]>> past that. Okay, what are we doing then?

[00:43:16]Just wait.

[00:43:17]You want to We're already past What does that mean?

[00:43:20]You have your you had to leave. Okay, so then what happens? Here you are just taking You have to give me a formal trespass in order for me to So, unless you formally trespass me that means there's a sheet of paper that you write it on and if you formal formally That No, no, that's you're just asking me. If you threaten me with arrest, I will leave right now.

[00:43:41]But do you understand anything that I'm telling you besides I understand poster seven and what my rules are and I understand what The officers asked me to step outside. No. It's time to leave. I don't have to leave.

[00:43:51]>> you that you're trespassing. You have one more Why am I being trespassed? I'm going to be arrested for trespassing if I don't leave.

[00:43:56]>> The officers told you that you're trespassing. The employees here would like you to leave. Are you the supervisor? I'm not the supervisor, no.

[00:44:02]Okay, so you're threatening You need to step out of that You're causing a scene here. That's ridiculous.

[00:44:05]>> I'm not causing anything. I was just buying a stamp. I have my $10 bill right here. I wanted to buy a stamp. I've need to The employee that you spoke to made it very clear she wants you to >> Okay.

[00:44:14]Why am I being trespassed?

[00:44:16]>> You're going to need to take that up with them or with the manager of the Why why are you why am I I need to know why I'm being trespassed. She already said because I have a camera. All right, we're done with this. Watch your video how many times we've already explained it.

[00:44:29]You need to read poster seven. You need to grab your items So, are you threatening me? I need your supervisor.

[00:44:34]You grab your stuff and exit the Do you have authority to to to be on federal You need a You need a written authority in order to This is federal land. This is federal property. You need to be Do you have a letter of authority to say that you have authority on this post office?

[00:44:51]Okay.

[00:44:53]Are you Are you going to arrest me? Cuz if you're going to arrest me, I'll leave. We already told you that we're going to arrest you for trespassing. So, grab your stuff. This is your last You're going to arrest me for trespassing. What's your name and badge number? This is your last opportunity to get What's your name and badge number?

[00:45:03]Out of the building.

[00:45:05]So, you don't believe in the First Amendment?

[00:45:08]You guys are in a lot of trouble. Keep going.

[00:45:11]Absolutely a lot of trouble.

[00:45:12]>> Keep going. No, I'm off I'm off I'm off the interior. No. No, the property.

[00:45:16]>> No. No, I'm not. No, I'm not giving you ID. Forget it. It's not happening. We have a First Amendment in this country, guys, and they're taking it away from us. There's a poster seven in there. You guys need to go and read it. This is something that a lot of soldiers >> see how they're being like saying at this >> It's because you came in there. They should care.

[00:45:32]>> You came in here and caused a scene for a >> I didn't cause a scene. I came in there to buy a stamp. It's all been recorded.

[00:45:38]I want your supervisor. I'm requesting your supervisor right now. I'm requesting your ID. You're not going to get it. It's my Fourth Amendment right.

[00:45:45]Okay. Unless you're arresting >> If you go back in there, you will be arrested for trespassing. That's the Okay, I need a written written formal >> We're not giving you a written one. We don't do written >> your supervisor. I want your supervisor, officer.

[00:45:55]>> Go to the police department.

[00:45:56]>> badge number? Uh 96. Go to Okay, and your name? Thompson. Thompson. Your name?

[00:46:02]Your name? Oh, you have to clink your You can't articulate?

[00:46:06]I thought you were so good with words inside. Are you going to listen to any of us or not? I'm trying to listen to your name, but you're not articulating anything worth listening to.

[00:46:13]>> Go to the police department. Talk to the supervisor. Who's your supervisor?

[00:46:16]Taylor. Chief Taylor? Okay.

[00:46:18]And you you don't have any sergeant?

[00:46:20]You're not a sergeant. You got you you guys are just officers. Yeah, who's your sergeant? You don't have a sergeant? We have a sergeant. He's not working right now. There is a chief on duty right now.

[00:46:29]>> Yeah, but who's your sergeant? We're not going to answer these questions. You've already been told to leave. If you do not get off these steps and off [music] the the property that they've asked you to leave, you will be arrested. Okay. Okay, that's all I need to know. The second half is where the situation fully turns into an abuse of authority instead of a misunderstanding.

[00:46:47]Once the officers arrive, they immediately side with the employees' feelings instead of the facts. Telling someone to leave a public post office just because an employee wants them gone sets a terrible precedent. If that's all it takes, then access to public services becomes conditional on compliance, not law.

[00:47:05]What's especially troubling is how the officers avoid answering basic questions. Why is he being trespassed?

[00:47:11]What rule did he break? Those questions never get a straight answer. Instead, the response is repeated commands and threats of arrest. That kind of approach doesn't educate or de-escalate. It pressures people into backing down whether the order is right or wrong.

[00:47:26]That's not how rights are supposed to work. The citizen even made it clear he would leave if there was a lawful arrest threat, but he wanted clarity.

[00:47:35]Instead of clarity, he got stonewalling.

[00:47:37]That confusion isn't harmless. It creates fear and teaches people that asserting rights will lead to punishment even when they're doing nothing wrong.

[00:47:45]The fact that this all started over a stamp makes it even more absurd. In the real world, moments like this damage trust in both government workers and police. People stop seeing public buildings as places they belong. Cameras didn't cause this problem. The refusal to respect clear rights did. This is exactly why recording matters, not to provoke, but to show what really happens when power goes unchecked.