Police Captain Tried To Boss Me Around At City Hall! Big Mistake

Added: 2026-05-11

[00:00:00]What are you going to do with their with their private faces? You can't release that.

[00:00:03]>> Yes, I can. There. No, you can't.

[00:00:05]>> There is no privacy. There is no expectation of privacy in public. Ma'am, >> for you to share their faces.

[00:00:11]>> Mhm. I can do that. Correct.

[00:00:12]>> No, you can't.

[00:00:13]>> Yes, I am. Cuz I'm an independent journalist. I'm news media.

[00:00:15]>> Okay. So, the point being, you've already gone through and done your work.

[00:00:18]>> Okay.

[00:00:19]>> So, if you don't have legitimate business here, then leave.

[00:00:22]>> I do have legitimate Why don't you tell me how stupid it is now?

[00:00:26]>> How like hide behind your camera, huh?

[00:00:29]Why don't you tell me? You You're the one that's You said it was stupid, right? Why don't you tell me how stupid it is?

[00:00:34]>> This one went down at Bingmpington City Hall, New York. Public building, the people's building. I walked in with a camera. Employees lost it. Then they called Captain Sautliff, a police captain who forgot what the Constitution says. Watch this. Good.

[00:00:47]>> How are you?

[00:00:49]>> Uh, just taking a tour of City Hall.

[00:01:00]How you doing, sir?

[00:01:11]>> Hello.

[00:01:12]>> Hi, ma'am. How are you?

[00:01:13]>> Good. How are you?

[00:01:14]>> Good. Do you have a um a Freedom of Information Act form?

[00:01:18]>> Um no, but you can fill one out on our website.

[00:01:21]>> You guys don't have forms here?

[00:01:22]>> No, just on the website.

[00:01:25]But what if somebody didn't have access to the internet?

[00:01:28]>> Um, >> you guys should have forms.

[00:01:30]>> See if I can print one out for you.

[00:01:32]>> I like this good good transparency here, guys. The 2021 budget, adopted budget, and the proposed budget right here for the public to see.

[00:01:49]>> Thank you so much, man. You're welcome.

[00:01:50]Have a great day.

[00:01:50]>> You, too.

[00:01:52]>> All right. So, we'll fill this out before we leave.

[00:01:55]>> Thanks.

[00:01:59]>> How you doing? What are you looking for?

[00:02:00]>> Good. How are you? I'm just taking a tour around the building. Okay. Thank you, sir. Yep. Appreciate it.

[00:02:07]>> Fire administration.

[00:02:08]>> I don't know if you're able to videotape him in this building.

[00:02:11]>> Department of Public Works.

[00:02:14]>> Excuse me.

[00:02:14]>> I don't know if you should be able you're able to videotape in this building.

[00:02:18]>> Oh, I'm pretty sure I am. Yeah.

[00:02:20]>> You think so?

[00:02:21]>> Yeah.

[00:02:23]So, this is the uh Department of Public Works here.

[00:02:29]>> Who gave you permission?

[00:02:31]>> Who gave me permission? Yeah. I I don't need to get perm from from somebody here.

[00:02:35]>> Yeah.

[00:02:35]>> I don't need permission from anybody here to film.

[00:02:37]>> No.

[00:02:38]>> No. No.

[00:02:40]>> Uh, may I ask why you're videotaping?

[00:02:42]>> Yeah, you sure can. I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story.

[00:02:46]>> Okay.

[00:02:47]>> All right.

[00:02:47]>> Yeah.

[00:02:47]>> Can I get your name?

[00:02:48]>> Yeah.

[00:02:49]>> Why not?

[00:02:51]I told you what I was doing here.

[00:02:53]>> Yeah. What's your name?

[00:02:55]>> I just told you what I was doing here.

[00:02:56]You're Tell me your name and I'll tell you mine.

[00:02:58]>> Do you not work for the public?

[00:03:00]>> I do.

[00:03:01]>> So why can't you just tell me your name?

[00:03:03]You work for the public. I am the public.

[00:03:05]>> You're telling me you're an independent journalist?

[00:03:09]>> Do you have uh anything to prove that?

[00:03:12]>> Who Who are you? I I need to know who you are because you're >> I'm a building I'm a building maintenance guy.

[00:03:19]>> Building maintenance guy. Yep.

[00:03:20]>> And your name?

[00:03:22]>> Sorry.

[00:03:23]>> I mean, okay, I can get it. It's public information.

[00:03:27]>> Then go out and get it.

[00:03:28]>> But why would you be rude and not be professional?

[00:03:31]>> I'm asking you. What's your name?

[00:03:32]>> I don't work for the public, sir.

[00:03:34]>> Yeah.

[00:03:34]>> I don't work for the public. I work for myself.

[00:03:36]>> Have a nice day.

[00:03:37]>> You, too.

[00:03:39]Office of Building Inspection, Code Enforcement, Permits.

[00:03:46]So, this is where they have the permits over here.

[00:03:53]>> Can I help you?

[00:03:53]>> Permit fee schedule. Um, no, thank you.

[00:03:56]Not at this time, ma'am.

[00:03:57]>> Your what?

[00:03:58]>> Not at this time. Thank you though.

[00:03:59]>> Oh, okay.

[00:03:59]>> Appreciate it. Thank you.

[00:04:04]>> Conflict resolution, insurance info, Cole, before you dig.

[00:04:11]>> Yeah.

[00:04:19]city.

[00:04:19]>> Hello.

[00:04:20]>> Hey, how are you?

[00:04:21]>> Good. How are you?

[00:04:22]>> Good.

[00:04:22]>> Can I help you?

[00:04:23]>> Um, no. I don't need help at the moment.

[00:04:25]Thank you.

[00:04:25]>> Okay. Why are you filming? Why don't I'm confused on what's going on?

[00:04:30]>> No, I'm just gathering content for a story.

[00:04:33]>> For what?

[00:04:35]>> For myself.

[00:04:38]>> Okay. But if there's a question that you would like to ask, I mean, you can't just stand here and I don't understand what you're what are you trying to what you're trying to gather.

[00:04:46]>> Was Was I I wasn't just standing here.

[00:04:48]Um >> No, I came out to greet you to see if you need to help. So, if you have a complaint or you're dropping off building permits or whatever you're doing, that's what I'm >> Yeah. Well, I'm Yeah, I'm just taking a just taking a look at the all the posters and the applications. That's all. Like I told you, I'm working on the story. Okay.

[00:05:01]>> Who are you?

[00:05:01]>> I'm the assistant supervisor here.

[00:05:03]>> Assistant supervisor. What's your name?

[00:05:05]>> What is this for? I'm I'm really confused on what you're doing right now.

[00:05:09]>> I just told you. I'm not It's not like I'm not answering you. I told you I'm an independent journalist gathering content >> for a story.

[00:05:15]>> I'm not going to give it.

[00:05:16]>> Well, I'm not going to give you my name either. Then why can't you give me your name?

[00:05:18]>> Because I don't work for the public, sir.

[00:05:21]>> I I keep my I keep my information private. Your your information isn't private. And you spoke with me. I I'm not I wasn't coming in here trying to bother any of you.

[00:05:29]>> No, I'm not saying you are, but when people come into our office, they're usually coming here to to inquire about building permits.

[00:05:35]>> Hi. They usually come in here to inquire about, you know, um, a complaint. So that's why I'm asking you and I just told you if you don't have any of those inquiries, then I have to get back to my work that I was doing.

[00:05:47]>> And sir, we're not trying to be a combative, but we have a right to know why we're being recorded.

[00:05:50]>> Yeah.

[00:05:50]>> Excuse me.

[00:05:51]>> We have a right to know why we're being recorded.

[00:05:52]>> You You actually don't. You don't.

[00:05:54]>> That's our personal right. I have a right to know if I'm being recorded. I can't come up here.

[00:05:58]>> This is This is This is a public building.

[00:06:00]>> That is very true. But we also have a right to know why we're being recorded.

[00:06:04]No, that's not true.

[00:06:05]>> Okay.

[00:06:05]>> You work for the public. So your information, your salary, every nothing about you is there is no privacy about anything that you do here.

[00:06:12]>> Just government transparency, that's all.

[00:06:14]>> Okay. So what do you have a question then? Or what's your >> like like I just told you, I was gathering content for my story, which includes looking at all these uh posters you have here and the different applications.

[00:06:22]>> Okay.

[00:06:22]>> So no, I don't need any specific help from you.

[00:06:24]>> And you you're not going to give me your name, sir?

[00:06:26]>> No, I'm not going to give your name.

[00:06:28]>> Okay. That's not very professional, but okay. What's that?

[00:06:32]>> I said that's not very professional of you, sir. As a as a public servant and a member that works for the public. I'm just, you know, I don't know. It doesn't make any sense to me really.

[00:06:42]>> Well, it doesn't make any sense why you're in here just gathering information either and you won't give me any of your information. So, I understand >> because I don't work for the public. So, respectfully, I don't work for the public.

[00:06:50]>> I understand that. But, you know, it's also um >> Why do you think you could walk around with that lanyard on so that way people can identify you? Not to turn it around.

[00:06:58]I'm not turning it around. My name is Dave Watson. I'm the assistant supervisor here for the building and code department. That's it.

[00:07:04]>> That's great. Nice to meet you, Dave.

[00:07:05]>> Can I help you with anything else?

[00:07:06]>> No. Thank you. You can get back to work now. Thank you.

[00:07:10]>> Can I help you, sir?

[00:07:11]>> Hi. How are you?

[00:07:12]>> Good.

[00:07:12]>> Who are you, ma'am?

[00:07:13]>> I'm Donna.

[00:07:14]>> Donna. Yep.

[00:07:14]>> And you work for >> I work for the city of Bington.

[00:07:17]>> In what capacity?

[00:07:18]>> Um, I'm the mayor's secretary.

[00:07:20]>> Mayor Secretary. Nice to meet you, >> Donna.

[00:07:24]>> Is there something we can help you with?

[00:07:25]>> No, ma'am. I'm just like I just told >> Okay. The hallway is public, but the office is >> This is 100% public. You can grab applications here.

[00:07:32]>> I understand that.

[00:07:33]>> Yeah.

[00:07:34]>> Okay.

[00:07:34]>> I know where I know where it's public.

[00:07:36]>> Yeah. But people keep interrupting me.

[00:07:38]I'm just trying to get uh video of the different applications and stuff and >> Okay.

[00:07:42]>> what you have on the wall, >> but if you need help, we can help you with that.

[00:07:44]>> Yeah. No, I don't need any help. But I will reach out, Donna. Thank you, if I do. Thank you so much.

[00:07:49]>> The mayor's office over here.

[00:07:53]It's pretty nice office.

[00:07:57]Not a bad space, right?

[00:07:59]>> I don't think I've ever seen a mayor's office this nice.

[00:08:01]>> Well, I haven't been in this New York City mayor's office.

[00:08:04]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:08:04]>> This one's pretty good, though.

[00:08:07]>> It looks very nice.

[00:08:08]>> Can't believe it. A lot of tax dollars.

[00:08:13]>> How you doing?

[00:08:13]>> Hey, how are you, man?

[00:08:14]>> Good. What's your name?

[00:08:16]>> Excuse me. Who are you?

[00:08:17]>> I am Captain Sliff from the police department. What's your name?

[00:08:20]>> Captain what?

[00:08:21]>> Sliff. I told you.

[00:08:22]>> Captain Captain Sutliff.

[00:08:24]>> Yes. Okay.

[00:08:26]>> I got a complaint that you're harassing people up here.

[00:08:29]>> That's not true at all. I'm just >> Well, did you have a discussion with the guy down in engineering or code?

[00:08:33]>> Yeah. He told me he wouldn't give me his name and I said you're >> Did you have any business with him or did you just argue with him?

[00:08:39]>> Ma'am, don't.

[00:08:40]>> It's a simple question.

[00:08:41]>> Yeah. Don't Don't act like you know what's going on when you don't. You're >> already told me. So, I'm asking you to verify.

[00:08:46]>> Yeah. Well, I had a discussion with a public servant. Correct.

[00:08:49]>> Okay. And did you have any legitimate business in that?

[00:08:52]>> Yeah, I'm independent journalist gathering content for a story. That's not legitimate business.

[00:08:56]>> According to who?

[00:08:57]>> According to me. Did you have business with that person?

[00:09:00]>> Respectfully, ma'am, you don't tell me what my business is. That's That's >> what I'm saying. I'm saying if you have business in here with that person, then go ahead and have >> He came out to talk to me. I didn't talk to him.

[00:09:09]>> Can I finish what I'm saying?

[00:09:10]>> Sure you can.

[00:09:11]>> Okay. But don't get in arguments with people and don't get in discussions with people.

[00:09:15]>> That's not what I'm doing. I told >> if you want to walk through a public building, that's okay. But with you standing here and filling people's faces that's bothering them. That's still okay. That's still okay cuz it's public.

[00:09:28]>> Not if you're just sitting there doing that to them. That's not okay.

[00:09:31]>> That's not what I'm doing.

[00:09:32]>> You're going through the building.

[00:09:33]>> Do you have evidence or do you have evidence or proof that I'm doing that?

[00:09:35]>> Interrupting me, >> ma'am. I don't even know.

[00:09:37]>> I'm telling you. It's a public building business.

[00:09:41]>> And I'm doing and I'm conducting business. Constitutionally protected business. I It's constitutionally protected business.

[00:09:46]>> Did you walk through these halls already? Ma'am, it's constantly protected business. It's constitutionally protected business. I didn't I did not make I did not make any contact with the engine with whoever you just spoke to. I didn't make any contact with him.

[00:09:57]>> You had conversation with him.

[00:09:58]>> He came out to speak to me from his office. That has nothing to do in his office.

[00:10:02]>> No, I was not. I was not in office.

[00:10:03]>> I came up here 5 minutes ago. You were not in the hallway. You were in his office.

[00:10:07]>> I wasn't in his private office. I was in the public lobby of an office.

[00:10:10]>> Private office.

[00:10:11]>> Yeah. A public office.

[00:10:12]>> A public lobby of an office.

[00:10:14]>> You're correct. It's a public office.

[00:10:16]Correct. You don't have business in there. They can ask you to leave. Ma'am, >> you didn't have legitimate business in there.

[00:10:21]>> Yes, I did. You're You're saying that my You're saying that my business isn't legitimate, but that doesn't make it so.

[00:10:27]That doesn't make it so, ma'am. You're wrong.

[00:10:29]>> Just like if you go in the clerk's office and you don't have legitimate business with them, they'll ask you to leave.

[00:10:34]>> I do have legitimate business. You're wrong.

[00:10:36]>> Going around taping people up to their face. It's not legitimate business.

[00:10:40]>> That's not what I'm doing.

[00:10:41]>> I just watched you taping these poor secretaries.

[00:10:44]>> Poor secretaries. They're public servants. I was looking at the mayor's office. I've never seen them.

[00:10:48]>> What are you going to do with their with their private faces? You can't release that.

[00:10:51]>> Yes, I can. There you can. There is no privacy. There is no expectation of privacy in public, ma'am.

[00:10:57]>> For you to share their faces.

[00:10:59]>> Mhm. I can do that. Correct.

[00:11:00]>> You can't?

[00:11:01]>> Yes, I am. Cuz I'm an independent journalist. I'm news media.

[00:11:03]>> Okay. So, the point being, you've already gone through and done your work.

[00:11:06]>> Okay.

[00:11:07]>> So, if you don't have legitimate business here, then leave.

[00:11:11]>> I do have legitimate I told you I have constitutionally protected business here.

[00:11:14]>> Okay. What business do you have with the mayor's office?

[00:11:16]>> That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying I have business with anybody.

[00:11:19]What business do you have with the mayor's office?

[00:11:21]>> Ma'am, I gather content.

[00:11:22]>> Answer the question.

[00:11:23]>> I'm trying to If you let me speak.

[00:11:25]>> You're talking in circles.

[00:11:26]>> If you'd let me speak, the mayor's office, what I have business with is holding them accountable in transparency. I just I saw their office.

[00:11:32]>> Let's talk. Okay. How was that appointment with them?

[00:11:35]>> I don't need an appointment. This is a public building.

[00:11:37]>> You do.

[00:11:38]>> This is a public building. This is the people's building. This isn't building doesn't belong to the mayor.

[00:11:41]>> Wait to speak to them. It's belong to the constituents and the people. Ma'am, I'm not being disrespectful to anybody.

[00:11:47]>> Public servants, >> you're coming over here trying you're coming over here trying to intimidate me and it's not going to work. I'm trying to intimidate you.

[00:11:52]>> It's not going to work. I'm very respectful to everybody I come in contact with. And I asked >> You're interrupting their business.

[00:11:58]Drew, you took >> I'm not interrupting anybody's business.

[00:12:00]I'm taking I'm working on a story on city hall. You don't tell me when I'm done, ma'am.

[00:12:04]>> Yes, I can. Because now they can't get their work done because they're upset.

[00:12:09]What? What law is that? Captain upset.

[00:12:12]>> What did I >> Are you feelings police or law enforcement?

[00:12:15]>> Listen.

[00:12:16]>> You're interrupting their work.

[00:12:18]>> I'm not breaking any laws.

[00:12:19]>> That's the problem. If you're interrupting their work, >> he came out of his office. He came out of his office to make contact with me.

[00:12:26]>> You were in his office. I saw it.

[00:12:28]>> I was in the lobby of his office and he came out of his office of his office.

[00:12:31]It's his office.

[00:12:32]>> The whole thing is his office.

[00:12:33]>> It's their office. Absolutely.

[00:12:35]>> It's the people's office. With all due respect, there's applications there. I was looking over. Listen, >> I have business here. I'm told you I'm working on a story.

[00:12:42]>> Ma'am, you don't tell me. You can't tell me what my business is. And if you'd like, you can. So, go ahead and do it.

[00:12:47]Order me.

[00:12:48]>> I already did.

[00:12:48]>> Order me to leave.

[00:12:50]>> I just told you to many times.

[00:12:51]>> No, you didn't. You said no. You never ordered me to leave. And you know there's a difference. No, you did not.

[00:12:55]>> If you're done, you can leave, which you already took all your pictures.

[00:12:58]>> You can leave is different from you must leave.

[00:13:00]>> I'm not getting in this conversation >> because you don't want a civil suit cuz I will sue you.

[00:13:03]>> There's no civil suit.

[00:13:04]>> You You better believe I would sue you, ma'am. If you violate my constitutional rights, you will lose qualified immunity because you're captain. You should know You should know better. You should know better than this.

[00:13:13]>> I know much better than you do.

[00:13:14]>> You should know better then.

[00:13:15]>> Okay.

[00:13:15]>> You should know better. I'm being very respectful with everybody I come in contact with. Ma'am, >> do your thing. You've done it.

[00:13:20]>> So, you can leave.

[00:13:21]>> But you can't tell me when I'm done with my Is there a time limit?

[00:13:25]>> You can't have all day to be in here.

[00:13:28]>> Why not? Why wouldn't Why Why wouldn't I have all day to be in here?

[00:13:31]>> It's not a community hangout.

[00:13:33]>> This is not I'm working on a story. I'm a journalist working on a story.

[00:13:37]>> You're interrupting people's work.

[00:13:39]You've already got your video. You can leave now.

[00:13:42]>> Absolutely.

[00:13:43]>> That's not true. I have a legitimate I have legitimate first amendment business here. I have freedom of press. This is a public building. I'm not bothering anybody. I don't even want to talk to anybody >> through all the public areas.

[00:13:51]>> That's not true.

[00:13:52]>> Why is that not true?

[00:13:53]>> And plus, it doesn't matter. I'm I'm I'm disseminating I'm disseminating information to the public. Ma'am, I can take pictures of city hall all day.

[00:14:00]>> Answering the question.

[00:14:01]>> I can take pictures of city hall all day. Ma'am, >> you've already been in the public areas.

[00:14:06]>> It You can't tell me to leave. You can't tell me to leave from public without I'm not committing a crime.

[00:14:11]>> Contrary interrupting business.

[00:14:13]>> No, I'm not. But I'm not. Go ahead and do it. Do it and then you'll see the consequences of it in civil court. I'm not. I've been very respectful. The video will prove that. I'm very respectful.

[00:14:21]>> Did you finish Did you finish your floors, >> ma'am? I don't want >> Because I'm told you did.

[00:14:25]>> Maybe you did. Maybe you didn't. But that's what I'm told.

[00:14:27]>> It doesn't matter. Ma'am, look >> what you're doing right now. Do you see the people behind you who are just sitting watching this spectacle? You're stopping people from conducting business. Ma'am, there's people behind you just sitting there watching.

[00:14:37]>> I've got multiple complaints already.

[00:14:39]>> It doesn't matter and there are desks which contain personal information.

[00:14:43]>> There is no expectation of privacy in public. Ma'am, you should know that as there is for certain things there is.

[00:14:48]>> No, there is not.

[00:14:49]>> There absolutely is. Personal documents with people's information that you're not privy to.

[00:14:55]>> And I'm not I'm not going into anybody's personal office. You just were in a personal office.

[00:15:01]>> That's a public lobby of an office, ma'am. I'm allowed to be there.

[00:15:03]>> Office. Same idea.

[00:15:05]>> It's a It's a building department's office.

[00:15:07]>> Names and stuff are in these offices.

[00:15:10]>> You're not allowed to copy any of that.

[00:15:11]You're not allowed to film any of that.

[00:15:12]>> Yeah, that's not true.

[00:15:13]>> Films going through the office, the public area.

[00:15:16]>> It's their job. It's their job to create the privacy, ma'am. In public, they have to create the privacy. You're a captain.

[00:15:21]You should know these things, ma'am.

[00:15:22]>> Captain. And just because you're talking all this garbled BS, >> frankly, >> no, it's not. not change the law and does not change our job.

[00:15:31]>> What law am I breaking? Can you articulate it to me?

[00:15:33]>> Where else do you need to go?

[00:15:33]>> Can you articulate the law that I'm breaking?

[00:15:35]>> Where else do you need to go?

[00:15:36]>> Because you know there is not one.

[00:15:37]>> Where else do >> I would like to continue about my business and not be molested by you?

[00:15:40]>> It's your business.

[00:15:42]>> I don't want to be I don't really >> I don't want to be You are harassing me face like this with I I've never gone in anybody's face. You're lying. That is a blatant lie.

[00:15:53]>> I'm telling you what I was told.

[00:15:54]>> Then they Whoever told you that is lying. I've never even This is the closest I've been to somebody. And that's cuz you came up to me, ma'am.

[00:16:00]This is the closest I've been to somebody.

[00:16:02]>> So, this person lied when they said you were in their >> correct. They did lie. They did lie.

[00:16:07]Yes, they did lie.

[00:16:08]>> Okay. So be it.

[00:16:09]>> They did lie. And that's why And that's why I record because people who lie on with your business.

[00:16:13]>> People do lie.

[00:16:14]>> Okay.

[00:16:14]>> The video doesn't lie, ma'am. And I would like to >> Listen, I would like to go on with it.

[00:16:18]Go.

[00:16:18]>> Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. Go.

[00:16:20]Officer, can I get your name and badge number, please?

[00:16:22]>> My name is Oscar Sager. Badge number 145.

[00:16:24]>> Sager 145. Thank you. Thank you.

[00:16:28]>> So, anyways guys, back to the uh office here. It's one of the nicest mayor's office I've seen. A lot of taxpayer money. A lot of our money going into this office here.

[00:16:42]>> You see the um >> Have you been to the other floors yet?

[00:16:45]Cuz I just don't want to have to keep getting calls.

[00:16:48]>> Ma'am, >> it's a simple question.

[00:16:51]>> I'm going to be going to all the You're not You came up. No, you're not.

[00:16:55]>> Because I told you that you can do your public stuff.

[00:16:58]>> I don't need your permission, man.

[00:16:59]>> Harass these people.

[00:17:00]>> You're harassing me. Please leave me alone. I would like you to leave me alone.

[00:17:03]>> I'm just trying to ask you.

[00:17:04]>> Okay. Please. I'm done talking to you.

[00:17:06]I'm done talking to you. I'm going to I'm going to invoke my right to remain silent and you can go about your business and or do whatever you need to do.

[00:17:11]>> There is no right to remain silent here.

[00:17:13]You're >> Yes, there is. I have I always have a right to remain silent. I don't have to speak to you.

[00:17:17]>> Not criminal anything here.

[00:17:19]>> I don't have to speak to you, though.

[00:17:20]>> Business.

[00:17:21]>> This is a consensual encounter. Captain, I'm I'm going to terminate that consensual encounter right now.

[00:17:27]>> I'm trying to alleviate getting these calls. So, if you just want to tell me >> So, why wouldn't you just send You could send out an email that says You could send out an email that says there's an independent journalist in the building who's promoting transparency.

[00:17:37]>> Why are you interrupting me? Just one.

[00:17:39]>> Go ahead. You've been talking the whole time, but go ahead.

[00:17:40]>> Really?

[00:17:41]>> Mhm.

[00:17:41]>> Oh, well, apparently we're both talking the whole time.

[00:17:43]>> I'm sure that's what the conversation is. Yeah.

[00:17:45]>> It would make things a lot easier and better and smoother if you would just tell me where you need to go. So, those people If they call me, I can I can tell them what's going on.

[00:17:55]>> Okay. Instead all over the building because some guy's taping their faces.

[00:18:00]>> An independent journalist is gathering content for a story. Yes, ma'am. Go. You can you can go ahead and let me concern.

[00:18:06]>> I will be. That's you. Do whatever you need to do.

[00:18:08]>> Going to keep chasing around here. So So don't you need to go >> everywhere in the building. Everywhere that's publicly accessible, I'll be going.

[00:18:14]>> Where? Okay. Well, where have you already been?

[00:18:16]>> Okay. I'm not going to talk anymore, ma'am. I don't want to talk to you anymore. So you are the one being unquested.

[00:18:21]>> This this consensual this consensual encounter is now over. If you want to detain if you want to detain me or if you want to do anything else that to violate my rights, you can do that. This consensual encounter is over. I've been more than cordial with you. I've been trying to explain myself to you. I don't have to I don't have to explain myself to you at all. I have no >> Are you going to be done on this floor then? Because I know you've been up here for quite a while.

[00:18:40]>> Okay, ma'am. Like I said, consensual encounter is over, ma'am.

[00:18:44]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:18:44]>> So, we have a seahorse over here. I believe these are pictures of the mayor on the wall back here, guys.

[00:18:56]This is a very nice foya area right here. A little lobby area the mayor has.

[00:19:01]I don't know why they're so concerned.

[00:19:03]They they have cameras everywhere in this building. What's the difference?

[00:19:07]We can get those We can get those videootapes from a foyer rack foyer information request.

[00:19:13]So, let's see what the mayor has over here on his wall.

[00:19:21]Make sure nobody's uh sneaking up on me.

[00:19:24]>> Nobody's sneaking up. Nice try.

[00:19:39]>> Good.

[00:19:40]>> Mhm.

[00:19:40]>> All right.

[00:19:43]>> How you doing today, sir?

[00:19:44]>> Hey, >> good. So, if uh >> if you keep dust in their faces and they call me again, it's going to be a problem.

[00:19:53]>> That that sounds like that sounds like that sounds like a threat.

[00:19:56]>> No, I'm telling you, they're going to keep calling and it's going to be a problem.

[00:19:59]>> That's not a law that I'm breaking. So, go ahead. There's not going to ma'am.

[00:20:02]You're going to have civil you're going to have civil problems. You're going to have civil problems, ma'am.

[00:20:06]>> Yeah. Just keep moving. Okay.

[00:20:08]>> Okay. Just remember, violation of rights when you know about it, you lose your qualified immunity. Okay? Listen, if you don't even know what you're talking about, just get over. You don't.

[00:20:16]>> I do. Goodbye.

[00:20:18]>> Goodbye.

[00:20:18]>> Move on.

[00:20:19]>> Goodbye.

[00:20:20]>> You're the one moving on, not me.

[00:20:23]>> Wow.

[00:20:25]>> That lady is something else.

[00:20:27]>> She's just sitting out there on their faces. So that's why they're upset.

[00:20:32]>> Not true.

[00:20:33]>> Not not true.

[00:20:35]>> So he told me that he had to explain to you.

[00:20:37]>> That's that's a lie what you're what you're telling this woman here.

[00:20:39]>> That's okay.

[00:20:40]>> I'm not getting in anybody's face.

[00:20:41]>> Hi, I'm Sharon. Hi Sharon.

[00:20:43]>> I'm our director of personnel and safety.

[00:20:44]>> Hi.

[00:20:45]>> How are you? I'm I'm trying to have one with Sharon. Captain, please. I'm I'm sorry Sharon. I'm just, you know, just going about my business. I I just feel a little bit uh intimidated. I I don't get in anybody's faces and I don't do any of that.

[00:20:57]>> That's all right. I you know, I think they were called because there were some employees in an office who felt that it kind of crossed the line from public access to harassment.

[00:21:08]um you know but it looks for example this is a public space >> so I was just in a public space of of a public office and I was looking at the uh different applications >> okay >> and uh like for >> the building department >> we have a bunch of just so you know like we post jobs >> Mhm.

[00:21:25]>> Um we're typically >> No, I'm talking about like um building permit applications and things of that nature. So I was filming that and a gentleman came out of his personal office and asked me if I needed any help and I said no I don't. Thank you. like I tell everybody, but uh he got upset. Why are you filming? Which, you know, I told him, "Listen, you're a public you're you're a public employee. I'm in public.

[00:21:46]I'm just working. I don't I don't say I don't have to explain myself to you. I tell people."

[00:21:49]>> Yeah.

[00:21:50]>> You know, >> do you need anything?

[00:21:51]>> No, not right now. Thank you, Sharon.

[00:21:52]No, thank you though. Thank you.

[00:21:54]>> Thank you.

[00:21:55]>> Yeah. I think so long as you're kind of keep distance from >> For sure. Yeah. No, that's not me. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to get on anybody's face cuz I wouldn't want anybody to get in mine.

[00:22:04]>> Oh, no. People aren't used to it.

[00:22:06]>> Gotcha.

[00:22:07]>> I understand. Well, that's maybe maybe they'll get a little bit more used to it. I'm a nice guy. I I don't I don't try and bother anybody, so you know.

[00:22:13]>> That's all right.

[00:22:15]>> All right. Thank you, Sharon. Appreciate it.

[00:22:20]>> So, this is the Bingham uh Police Department here.

[00:22:22]>> Okay.

[00:22:25]>> Police records here.

[00:22:32]>> Hello.

[00:22:33]>> Hi. How are you?

[00:22:34]>> Good. How are you?

[00:22:35]>> I'm doing well. Um, do you have like a uh open records request?

[00:22:39]>> What do you mean open records?

[00:22:40]>> No, this is this is something. Well, I don't know if I can use this here. This is what they gave me in the city uh clerk's office.

[00:22:46]>> Yeah.

[00:22:48]>> I just wanted some um information on an officer >> on an officer.

[00:22:53]>> Yeah. Their personal file, their their um >> Katie, that would be Katie would be able to answer those questions.

[00:22:58]>> Katie, sure.

[00:23:00]>> Yeah.

[00:23:07]Hi, Katie. I'm looking to get some records on the um >> Can you just turn that off? I'm not going to talk to you with that on.

[00:23:13]>> Why Why wouldn't you talk to me with it on?

[00:23:17]>> I'm I'm just trying to get some public services.

[00:23:22]>> I'm just asking you not to report me.

[00:23:25]>> I understand, Katie, but you're you're a public employee. I don't understand.

[00:23:29]There's cameras all around this place.

[00:23:31]Not in my face.

[00:23:32]>> It's not in your face.

[00:23:34]>> Okay.

[00:23:34]>> Why Why do people say that?

[00:23:35]>> I'll stand here and I'll answer your question and I'm not going to have you record me.

[00:23:40]>> I mean, you already recorded, but Okay.

[00:23:42]Um, can I get a How do I request somebody's an officer's personnel file and their misbehavioral um file, disciplinary file, excuse me.

[00:23:52]>> You would have to speak with somebody in internal affairs, which is in a different office.

[00:23:56]>> No, those records are public. Ma'am, I can I should be able to request them. I just answered your question that you don't foil them through us. You have to go to internal affairs and speak with them.

[00:24:05]>> And where would I go?

[00:24:07]>> I I can show you.

[00:24:09]>> If you set the camera down, I'll show you.

[00:24:12]>> You could just tell me cuz I'm not going to turn the camera off.

[00:24:14]>> Just go out this door right here. And it's the door on your left.

[00:24:18]>> Door on my left. Okay, great. Thank you.

[00:24:22]Don't see what the big deal is. Let's fill out these foil applications right now.

[00:24:28]>> Hello. How are you today?

[00:24:29]>> Sorry, ma'am. I'm filling out these uh foil applications and then I'm I'm going to submit them to you.

[00:24:34]>> Need anything? Just let me know.

[00:24:35]>> Thank you so much, ma'am. Just one question for you really quick. Um >> can I do a foil request for the police department and hand it with you or do I have to hand it over to them?

[00:24:45]>> Okay, great.

[00:24:46]>> Or either way, we it goes over to fill it out if it's police records related.

[00:24:50]>> Okay, thank you. Yep. No problem.

[00:24:51]Appreciate it. Thank you.

[00:24:52]>> I just got an email I was reading.

[00:24:55]>> It's okay. Thank you.

[00:24:56]>> You're all set. And these are police records.

[00:24:58]>> No, the the bottom's for police records and the top is for you, the city clerk.

[00:25:02]>> Okay.

[00:25:03]>> I will give that to the city clerk and I will make sure this gets to police records. Is there anything else I can help you with?

[00:25:07]>> No, thank you so much. You've been you've been great. Thank you for your service today. Thank you.

[00:25:11]>> Bye.

[00:25:15]>> Why don't you tell me how stupid it is now?

[00:25:18]>> Like hide behind your camera, huh?

[00:25:21]>> Why don't you tell me you you're the one that's You said it was stupid, right?

[00:25:24]Why don't you tell me how stupid it is?

[00:25:27]I'm asking I'm asking him a question.

[00:25:29]>> Yeah. I don't know what but when people are coming through, >> they didn't do anything wrong. They're not the public servant.

[00:25:35]>> Yeah. I'm I'm filming I'm filming your officer here, sir.

[00:25:37]>> Okay.

[00:25:38]>> Cuz apparently my job is stupid to him.

[00:25:40]>> I don't know what your job is.

[00:25:41]>> Okay, great.

[00:25:48]>> We're going through the people here.

[00:25:52]>> They didn't do anything wrong. I'm not trying to, like I told you when I walked in here, that is not my intention.

[00:25:57]>> But I got people like him saying my job is stupid. People coming up to me saying, you know, rude things to me. I >> I did my best to remain cordial with everybody.

[00:26:07]>> Can I get your name and badge number, sir?

[00:26:11]>> It's right there.

[00:26:12]>> Is it right there? RI GHT or RI T.

[00:26:19]>> Right there.

[00:26:22]All right. GHD.

[00:26:23]>> You know how to spell you know which one it was.

[00:26:26]>> Right. So it's right which way.

[00:26:32]>> Total 36.91. So you got to change.

[00:26:37]>> Little professionalism goes a long way.

[00:26:41]>> They're making their city look really bad, but it's the way it is. So we're going to be getting out of here.

[00:26:47]>> This is your building. Your tax dollars built it. You have every right to film inside it. Captain Sutliff, condescending, rude, tried to use her rank to silence me. Failed. She's a captain. She should know way better.

[00:27:00]Shout out to Sharon, director of personnel. Only one who acted like a real public servant. You can't intimidate the Constitution. Know your rights.