Muhammad Left Mecca... But What's the Evidence?

[00:00:00]What evidence exists in the Quran? You said there's in the Quran. What is there in the Quran that tells you there was a hijra from Mecca to Medina? Please.

[00:00:09]>> Please, please take it to 1 minute, 2 minutes, please. The gentleman here, the Arab speaking gentleman is going to get some information for evidence for Please, please, if you come this way, please be on that side. Help him desperately. Please help him.

[00:00:24]>> What you going to do with evidence?

[00:00:25]>> If you also want to help, please come that side. Please.

[00:00:27]>> What you going to do with evidence?

[00:00:28]Please cover him from the back.

[00:00:29]>> No, I'm not.

[00:00:30]>> Please help him. Don't argue with me.

[00:00:32]Speak to them. Discuss with them.

[00:00:34]>> You're Christian?

[00:00:35]>> Discuss. Discuss. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Are you Christian?

[00:00:39]Firstba.

[00:00:41]Surah Toba. Tell me what say 40. Yeah. Tell me.

[00:00:57]If you don't if you don't with him God him God with him if if they take him out from Mecca if he >> does that use the word Mecca.

[00:01:19]>> No but don't don't don't don't corrupt the Quran. The Quran is already terribly corrupted. Don't corrupt it anymore.

[00:01:25]>> I translate >> Yeah. Excuse me. You know what translation is? Does the word mecca show up there?

[00:01:30]>> No. No.

[00:01:30]>> So that's not translation. That's lying.

[00:01:32]Don't lie.

[00:01:33]>> I'm not lying.

[00:01:34]>> Does that sound sound >> once don't wa excuse me Mr. Arab Mr. Mr. Arab please stay focused >> once. This is called once. Once please stay focused.

[00:01:47]>> Your sound don't be like >> Sure. Sure. I am I am engaging in a public conf you stop. Once you finished speaking if you stop the other side can speak. The fact that I'm loud is for the benefit of many other people who are near us. Now you might be quiet because you're lying but I don't have to be quiet. I'm lying.

[00:02:06]>> Yeah. Please I ask for evidence.

[00:02:09]>> No no no. Don't say lie. Don't say lie.

[00:02:11]>> Excuse me one second.

[00:02:12]>> Don't say lie. If you threatens threats your threats keep in Mecca don't bring to London. Maybe you respect >> evidence for a hijra from Mecca to Medina. Does the word Mecca show up there?

[00:02:29]>> Does the word Mecca show up there?

[00:02:31]>> Does the word Medina show up there? Yat show up there.

[00:02:35]>> Does the word yat show up there?

[00:02:38]>> Yat. Does the word yat show up there? So why did you lie? I asked for evidence for a migration from Mecca to y and that that verse that you read neither says Mecca nor says yat whereas you wanted to under the hood just let me in. That's called don't do that at speaker.

[00:02:57]>> Imagine a researcher opening the Quran for the very first time with no hadith no sir and no later Islamic tradition to guide him. What would he actually discover from the text alone from the Quran alone? A researcher could not conclusively establish that Muhammad was born in Mecca, that the hijra was a journey from Mecca to Medina, that the cave was the cave of Thar, or that the companion beside him was Abu Bakr. Every one of those identifications comes from Islamic tradition outside the Quran. The Quran itself does not explicitly provide those details. This exposes a significant challenge for the claim that the Quran alone provides a sufficiently clear account of early Islamic history.

[00:03:38]When Muslims read Surah 9:40, they immediately say, "This is the Hijra from Mecca to Medina with Abu Bakr in the cave of Thar." But those details are already being imported from Hadith and Sira before the verse is even read. The verse itself speaks only of a man being driven out, taking refuge in a cave and being accompanied by a companion. The city is not named. The cave is not named. The companion is not named. If those details truly came from the Quran, they should be demonstrable from the Quran itself rather than borrowed from external sources and then read back into the text. The challenge, therefore, is very simple. Demonstrate from the Quran alone that Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Medina, not from Iban Ishak, not from Bkari, not from Alabari, from the Quranic text itself. The moment you add Mecca, Medina, Abu Bakr, and the cave of Thor to a verse that never names them, you have moved beyond translation and entered the realm of interpretation. In other words, the Hijra narrative, as it is commonly understood by Muslims, is derived from Islamic historical tradition outside the Quran, not from explicit statements found within the Quran itself.

[00:04:48]>> Have another try.

[00:04:50]>> Have you I do what I want. I do want a speaker's corner. We will reveal liars as liars.

[00:04:56]>> No, no, you are liars.

[00:04:57]>> Is there any evidence for a hijra from Mecca to Medina? If you please stay away, let the gentlemen but don't touch me. Yeah. You're already a liar. Don't touch me. Thank you. Yeah, please. Surah ay 20. Let's try and read. The ones who have believed immigrated and jihaded in the cause of Allah. So there is evidence for jihad in the Quran.

[00:05:26]There is evidence for please I'm reading >> please there is evidence for air hijra in the Quran with their wealth and their lives are greater in rank in the sight of Allah and it is those who are the attainers.

[00:05:45]Does the word Mecca show up there?

[00:05:46]>> Yes it's interesting. That's what it means.

[00:05:48]>> Does the word Mecca show up there?

[00:05:52]Is the word Mecca there?

[00:05:54]>> Is the word Mecca there?

[00:05:57]>> Is the word Mecca anywhere in Surah Toba?

[00:06:00]>> Please listen on my dear friend. Please listen.

[00:06:03]>> I'm asking for evidence. You're citing some handicap material and you please listen. Now if I ask for evidence listen what is your name?

[00:06:12]>> Mahi.

[00:06:12]>> Mahadi.

[00:06:13]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:14]>> If I ask for evidence for what your name is, >> would you show a document which doesn't even quote your name?

[00:06:19]>> No. No. Clearly not. You're not. Please once once >> clearly if I ask for evidence for your name, you would provide a document if you want to.

[00:06:28]>> You would provide a document which will give your name. Yeah.

[00:06:31]>> Which is you know you will also explain how that document is a qualified document.

[00:06:35]>> I have asked for an evidence for a hijra from Mecca to Medina >> and you're citing something which does not use the word Mecca. Does not use the word Medina.

[00:06:45]>> Please come in please. That's what I mean.

[00:06:48]>> Does the word Mecca show show up anywhere? No, please listen. Please, please listen. I'm asking for evidence.

[00:06:55]Does the word Mecca show up anywhere?

[00:06:59]Even in the surah in the entire chapter, does the word Mecca show up anywhere?

[00:07:04]>> Is it?

[00:07:05]>> Ignore. Which taps are you reading?

[00:07:07]>> Kirbin Kir.

[00:07:08]>> Ib Kir. When was that written?

[00:07:11]>> Um, sometime after >> centuries later. That's what I call a bogus religion.

[00:07:15]>> It's not bogus. This is true religion person.

[00:07:17]>> Listen carefully.

[00:07:18]>> Yes. Yeah.

[00:07:18]>> A belief for which there is no evidence.

[00:07:20]>> There's evidence.

[00:07:21]>> Please listen once.

[00:07:22]>> Yeah.

[00:07:23]>> M.

[00:07:24]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:24]>> Listen. You are a young man.

[00:07:26]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:27]>> My name is Arul. I am a Christian.

[00:07:29]>> Yeah.

[00:07:29]>> Everything that we believe. Please come this way. M. Everything that I believe about Jesus comes from qualified historical resources. And what? Please listen. And what that means is first century resources that can be traced back to the first century Judeian community.

[00:07:46]>> Do you understand?

[00:07:47]>> This is how intelligence works. You believe in facts, evidence, apply reason. So you don't let anyone brainwash you. Please listen once.

[00:07:56]>> That's what a Christian is.

[00:07:58]>> Yeah.

[00:07:58]>> But in contrast, I completely see that Islam is a bogus religion. Please listen. Please listen. Don't be offended. Please listen. bogus religion where people believe in all sorts of fantasies when there is no shred of evidence, no shred whatsoever. Please listen. And the bogus religion partly you know in stages was created over centuries after centuries after Muhammad.

[00:08:22]>> So this is what I am saying. You are supposed to give me give me evidence to contradict me. What I've g what you have given me what you have demonstrated right now is that you actually believe in a bogus religion. You're believing in a source that came centuries later. Not a good idea.

[00:08:36]>> The hadith collections that form the foundation of the Islamic narrative were not compiled during Muhammad's lifetime, but several generations later. During the process of cotification, Muslim hadith scholars themselves acknowledged that fabricated reports had become widespread throughout the Islamic world.

[00:08:53]This is why they developed systems such as isnad criticism, jar waadil, and other methods of authentication to distinguish what was considered reliable from what was rejected. That admission is significant because it shows that concerns about the transmission of tradition are not criticisms imposed from outside Islam. But realities recognized by Muslim scholars themselves. The issue becomes far more serious when some of the most important details of early Islamic history depend on traditions that passed through this very period. The Hijra narrative known today, Mecca, Abu Bakr, the cave of Thor, Medina, the route of the journey, and even the conversations said to have taken place along the way is not explicitly stated in the Quran. These details come through chains of reports that were collected and filtered after Muslim scholars had already acknowledged the existence of widespread fabrication and conflicting traditions. The unavoidable question is this. How can one determine with certainty where authentic 7th century history ends and later developed tradition begins? This is why historians continue to examine the formation of early Islamic tradition critically, the greater the distance between an event and the sources that describe it, the greater the need to test their reliability. When the most important details of the Hijra appear clearly only in sources written long after Muhammad's death, while the Quran itself remains silent on those details, an obvious question arises. Are we reading history or are we reading a later reconstruction of