Blaire White Gets Brutally Honest About Her Life, Losses & What Made Her

Added: 2026-06-04

[00:00:00]There was a period in 2017 where I had made a video um criticizing Black Lives Matter. It ended up with like people taking pictures, holding guns, wanting to come get me, and actually the FBI contacted me.

[00:00:12]>> When you look back at things, right, is there anything that you've ever said that you regret saying, not because of facts, but emotionally.

[00:00:20]>> I'm imperfect and I'm very like passionate about what I say. So sometimes that comes through a vehicle of like heightened emotions. one of the internet's most talked about creators.

[00:00:30]Her content blends politics, personal experiences, and controversial cultural topics. She's a YouTuber, political commentator, and host of the Blair White Project.

[00:00:39]>> Honing in on just the trans part, um it's a sanctuary state, quote unquote, for trans kids, which means if even one parent wants the kid to transition, they do it still. So, that needs to be fixed cuz that's child abuse. When you say kids are getting sucked into the trans podcast and it's leading down the wrong direction, like what what direction do you mean? Like what is it doing to them?

[00:01:01]>> Yeah. I I think that there's a lot of um >> imagine being a young kid growing up in Chico, father passing away at 19 years old, really trying to find your identity. And once she found her identity, it was like, where is your actual place? You know, this individual to me is the heartbeat of determination because everything that she has overcome to grab a hold of who she really is despite all the judgment that the world and society has brought her. I have with me today the queen of controversy, Blair White.

[00:01:38]>> Thank you so much. That was a really nice intro.

[00:01:40]>> Well, thank you. I I screwed up the first one, but the second one was much better.

[00:01:43]>> It was perfect.

[00:01:44]>> Yeah. So, it's good to meet you. I'm so happy that we're finally connecting.

[00:01:47]>> Yeah, I'm excited to be here. This is going to be good. We chatted a little bit about like certain topics. So, I'm excited to dive in.

[00:01:53]>> Yeah. I just, you know, it's just uh I want to bring out the different side, you know. I want I want I want to shock the world to to see that we're going to do something different here. So, it's going to be fun. Um let's go back to Chico.

[00:02:05]>> I mean, Chico, oh my god, Northern California. It's very different. A lot of people, I feel like, don't even know much about Northern California. It's all about like LA, San Fran, which is still fairly northern, but you know, yeah, they don't really know.

[00:02:17]>> Well, Chico's um you know, and again for the audience, we grew up within probably about three hours from each other.

[00:02:22]>> Uh so I know Chico. I've been to Chico.

[00:02:26]I know what goes on there. It's a lot of fun. It's a party. It's a college party town.

[00:02:31]>> Yeah, it is. It's kind of like a um oasis amongst a little or a lot of really small towns with not much going on. So, I feel like everyone like lets loose there. So, it was a fun place to be when I was, you know, in my early 20s.

[00:02:43]>> Same same. You know, we used to go up there. My buddy um I told you earlier like about a week ago on the phone, my buddy Mike, he went to he moved up there and he I think he was doing some school or something or or just going up there just to live and uh we'd always go see him and he's like, "You guys got to come up. You trust me, it's it's a great time." And so we'd, you know, have all of our drinks and then we'd just walk around and we'd jump in, you know, baby pools in people's front yards and people would scream, you know, >> very chico.

[00:03:11]>> It's it's so it's so strange there. But, you know, we we always had a blast, you know, we we always felt like shit the next two or three days, >> right? It's easier when you're in your 20s. Can't do that anymore.

[00:03:21]>> Yeah. No, I can't like if I have two drinks now, like I will feel like ass for three days.

[00:03:26]>> I'm the exact same way. It It just kills you.

[00:03:29]>> You're And you're much younger than me.

[00:03:30]I'm for I'm I'm pushing 48.

[00:03:32]>> Oh, really? Okay. I didn't think you were 48.

[00:03:34]>> See, I love that. See, that's why I say that so I can hear people say like, "You don't look 48."

[00:03:39]>> No, it's uh it's one of those things for me. It just I I I don't I don't live like that anymore. I can't >> because I'm not sharp. And then when you have, you know, three children and a wife, it's kind of hard to be hung over and still be a functional father or a present father and a present husband.

[00:03:55]So, >> I like marijuana these days a little more than alcohol. you know, just relaxes you.

[00:04:00]>> I got to tell you, I've never said this on the air, but I love it.

[00:04:02]>> Really? Yeah. Why haven't you said it?

[00:04:04]You like >> I don't know. It's just kind of like one of those things I just kind of keep to myself. Um, but what I don't like is the munchies.

[00:04:10]>> Yeah, that's a problem.

[00:04:11]>> Yeah, it's a problem.

[00:04:12]>> It's a problem. So, you know, but again, like it's to me it's much better than drinking >> 10,000%.

[00:04:18]>> Yeah. Yeah. There's no hangover. And I feel like you can have some like just like higher thoughts on it. You can kind of figure some stuff out.

[00:04:26]>> You can get really creative. Yeah.

[00:04:27]>> You know, and and it's like you can for me sometimes I can downshift finally, >> you know, and just kind of be silly and just laugh at dumb shit. But yeah, >> you know, not very often, but you know, here and there I might dabble.

[00:04:39]>> Yeah, >> dabble. Damn you. Why did you do that?

[00:04:41]You know, you you outed me. You outed me.

[00:04:44]>> I outed myself first.

[00:04:45]>> You've never said that.

[00:04:47]>> Oh, no. Actually, I guess I have a little Yeah. My my subscribers know I'm a slight Yeah.

[00:04:51]>> stoner. Just a little bit.

[00:04:53]>> Ain't nothing wrong with it. Ain't nothing wrong with it, you know. Um, so many states are legalizing it. You know, Florida's, you know, medicinal. Um, Cali's wide open.

[00:05:03]>> Yeah. And you compare it to like, you know, drunk drivers and the amount of stupid things that anyone can and will do on alcohol. There's really no comparison in my opinion.

[00:05:12]>> Yeah. It's wild. But, uh, you had an interesting, uh, evening the other night.

[00:05:17]>> Yeah. I was um at the Hilton at the White House correspondence night and that's when the >> I don't want to say anything that gets demonetized, but that's when the bang bangs happened >> and uh it was pretty crazy.

[00:05:31]>> Yeah.

[00:05:31]>> And it's been uh really surreal to like be near something like that in real life, which I've never been, and then going online and like seeing everyone saying it was fake, >> which like in fairness, I don't know what was behind it all. It could all be a conspiracy, but at the same time, it's like >> just weird.

[00:05:50]>> It's kind of a really shitty thing to fake if it were fake. But the thing that I've noticed um about all these things with the attempts on on him is people are starting to to say things like that, like it's fake. It was staged. Why would anybody stage that? I don't know. I guess I don't I don't think that way. I I look at things I'm like, "Okay, um that's reality." And when it happened, my heart, to be fair, and I texted you and and you know, um, my heart sunk. I'm like, "Oh shit, Blair's at that dinner."

[00:06:24]>> Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Um, but, you know, luckily no one I believe died, so >> there's been worse tragedies, you know.

[00:06:32]>> Yeah. I just It's kind of scary to the point where like this is becoming normaly, you know, everywhere. It's like there's always something going on. And I don't know if it's because of the social media age. There's more people reporting it quick, you know, quicker and there's no regulation, right? I can post whatever I want.

[00:06:49]>> Anybody can post anything at any time they want. But before it used to be the news outlets, so it was like, you know, they they had a flow that they did and maybe they protected us from some things or didn't want to report on some others.

[00:07:00]But yeah, now it's like fair game.

[00:07:03]>> Yeah, it's really really weird times.

[00:07:05]And as someone who's been talking politics and social issues for nearly a decade now, actually I think it has been a decade. Um it's the weirdest, most toxic time to do it in my opinion.

[00:07:17]>> Does any of it get scary for you? Like outside of what happened at the dinner, like have you ever thought about how like do you get scared?

[00:07:25]>> Um not really.

[00:07:28]>> No.

[00:07:28]>> No. I I feel like I've survived so much and been through so much that it's like >> I kind of just know it's not my time yet. Like I kind of just know God has some other stuff for me in the future.

[00:07:40]So >> I'm just trying to coast and follow whatever plan God has.

[00:07:45]>> I love that. You you've gotten pretty spiritual. Yeah. I think like what was it 20 24 you did DMT >> and you had a little bit what talk to me about that experience. Um yeah, I I had heard I guess of like people having like spiritual revelations or um heightened, you know, things like that.

[00:08:06]But when I tried it, I discovered that was really real and I didn't have any concept of that beforehand. So it was pretty like shocking.

[00:08:14]>> Yeah.

[00:08:14]>> But it was also that in fairness and also like a combination of like a lot of other things in my life that kind of like just opened up that part of me. M >> so it's a it's an important part I think of like life.

[00:08:27]>> Yeah. When you say opened up things that were going on in your life, was it the subconscious things in that you were burying in the back from the past that kind of came to the forefront?

[00:08:35]>> Yeah. Yeah. I definitely um I've probably mentioned it like once or twice without going into much detail, but I did grow up in a cult >> and so um as is the case with like anyone who grows up in an environment like that, there's like a lot of spiritual trauma. And so I think I kind of rejected any idea of like religion or spirituality or God uh throughout like my childhood, early adult life. And it wasn't until hitting about 30, 29, 30 that I was like, well, you know what?

[00:09:06]Let me not section myself off from this part of life that I can see does help a lot of people and does uh mean a lot to people just because of my own personal situation. M >> so yeah that's when I kind of decided you know what my my family's thing is their thing and I survived it I'm away from them now let me see if there's any sort of like spirituality I feel like I'm compatible with as an individual and not having it forced on me so that's been that's been the thing >> that's interesting because you know I think it was on your dad's side right >> yeah so as a child you're dealing with identity things you know gender dysmorphia and then now you're your father's side of the family is this cold thing. That's a lot for a child to deal with.

[00:09:51]>> Yeah, it was a lot.

[00:09:51]>> How did you reconcile that?

[00:09:54]>> Um, I think I sort of just was like on autopilot. I was in survival mode.

[00:09:59]>> It was I know there's lots of different types of cults out there. And so people are probably like, "Well, what kind? Was it Mormon? Was it, >> you know, whatever." And there's not necessarily like a label for it. It's something that was in my family's bloodline for going back hundreds or thousands of years. Like it's been like a really strong thing like in that family.

[00:10:22]>> And so it was a little more sectioned off even from like extreme religiosity.

[00:10:27]Like it wasn't necessarily that.

[00:10:29]>> And so it just gave me like a sour perspective on people who believed in God or spirituality or whatever. I just always tuned it out. Um, but you know, I'm I'm I've overcome a lot of it too, though. So, >> Wow. What were some of the things that you remember as a child that were just kind of you you saw it and you're like, "That's not right or this is scary."

[00:10:51]>> Oh, man. Um, they were definitely into one of the big basis, one of the things was like witchcraft stuff.

[00:11:02]>> Oh, no shit.

[00:11:02]>> Yeah. It was the It was the occults sort of stuff. So there was rituals I was around and a part of and you know nothing like so obscene like I never witnessed anything like you hear like extreme horror stories.

[00:11:18]>> Mine's like a horror story but luckily not like an extreme one.

[00:11:22]>> Um it was just a lot of ugly inappropriate stuff to be around kids and that side of my family my dad's side they kept my mom from it as well. So this was all revelations that I had to like tell my mom as well once I came of age and understanding to be like you know they were like doing all this stuff right and it makes sense to her now but it was >> so she didn't know >> it was so lock and key that even like my mom and her side of the family had no clue >> but you knew because you were your father's child.

[00:11:52]>> Yeah. And so I and and and my father was >> you know how you can be like raised a Catholic and so you'll go to like Easter mass, you'll go and it's more of like a cultural like family thing. That's kind of how my dad was. He wasn't like a true believer in it, but he would still take me to the events and to the rituals and stuff like that. And so that's how I ended up being around it. It was much more serious to my grandmother and her generation and above.

[00:12:17]>> Wow.

[00:12:18]>> Yeah. You know, when when people talk about childhood trauma or or things like that, things that you go through as a child, I look back at my childhood, and of course, I have some things that I went through, but nothing like that, right? And it just goes to show that what you've created in your life, you've overcome so many different things. You know, you've overcome the judgment, you've overcome the childhood. It it's it's admirable. You know, you're a strong you're a strong woman and I admire that about you and and I hate when you catch heat.

[00:12:50]>> I hate it.

[00:12:51]>> It's part of the gig.

[00:12:52]>> It is. I don't you know, it's funny because I always people say, "You don't catch enough heat, Sean." I'm like, "Because I'm too safe."

[00:12:58]>> You don't catch enough >> I don't catch enough heat because because you know, I've been very safe.

[00:13:02]Right.

[00:13:02]>> Right. Because you know, you can do it two ways, right? You can come on the scene, you can be confrontational right away or controversial, whatever you want to name it, or you can take the slow path. And I kind of took the slow path, >> right, >> of of building and building and building. And now I think it's time to to kind of start having some stronger opinions and having stronger conversations on the show and and kind of teetering the line a little bit.

[00:13:26]>> So So we can so we can grow. But but um yeah, it's interesting to me like the heat that certain people take. I kind of look over to the side and left and the right of me. I'm like, "Thank God that ain't me because I actually I'll take it back. I caught heat one time."

[00:13:41]>> For what?

[00:13:42]>> I was on Piers Morgan.

[00:13:44]>> Okay. Okay, that'll do it.

[00:13:45]>> Oh jeez. Won't it? You know, so the the the conversation was surrounding around the the manosphere, >> right? And that's when Adolescence came out on Netflix. remember that like last year where the young boy they b it was a like a UK it was set in the UK and this young boy um was taken by the police they they they came to the house busted down the door snagged him they said your son is going to jail you know he's suspect he's a suspect in a murder >> oh I didn't see this okay >> it's actually really good it's really good but the whole thing of it going through the whole show was more about the manosphere and misogyny and all that kind of stuff.

[00:14:27]>> People get heated about that, >> huh?

[00:14:29]>> People get heated about that.

[00:14:30]>> Oh, they do, right? And they even mentioned, you know, Andrew and Tristan and, you know, Tate in in the show. And so what they were trying to show is like that that young boys that if they go to let the internet raise them, then the internet will raise them, right? you if you're watching a a man or a woman telling you how to be right, well then if you don't have a strong family unit or whatever, or if your parents don't have their finger on it, then you can fall into that. And so you look at this thing in the show and you're like, there's no way this kid did it. You're waiting for the shoe to drop. Well, the wrong shoe dropped and at one point he completely morphs and he's just in the face of the psychologist in jail. And I'm like, "This is the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life."

[00:15:17]>> Oh, wow.

[00:15:17]>> And it was it was an amazing limited series.

[00:15:21]>> Well, they they asked me to come on and be one of the panelists. And um it was absolutely wild. So like most of the panelists were in the camp that a woman should stay home, homeschool the kids, cook all the meals, don't leave the house, serve the husband and the family.

[00:15:48]>> I'm I'm from the school of thought if my wife wants to work and she enjoys it and she's fulfilled, do you, boo, right? I I don't have traditional roles in my house. I, you know, we see something that needs to be done, >> we do it >> and someone does it. Yeah.

[00:16:04]>> Yeah. So, like if I walk by the the laundry room when my wife's at, you know, teaching at school with and she's, you know, a Spanish teacher and if I walk by in the morning, I'm like, "Okay, I should probably do this load of laundry." I'm going to do the little laundry.

[00:16:15]>> Mhm.

[00:16:15]>> You know, and and to me that's okay.

[00:16:18]Well, I mentioned that >> that's how 90% of people are too.

[00:16:21]>> Yes. But the 10% is the loudest.

[00:16:22]>> Yes.

[00:16:23]>> Right. And boy, did I get torched on X.

[00:16:27]I got torched on YouTube. I was called a closet feminist. And I said in there and and the dude Andrew was on there. I can't remember his last name, but he's >> I think I know which one you're talking about. Andrew um Wilson, >> maybe like he's the one that's just ripping heaters every time he's on camera, >> I think. So, yeah.

[00:16:45]>> Yeah. He's on whatever a lot. Whatever that it's him. Yeah. And and you know, look, it could be a character. I don't know. I don't know the guy personally, but I was I said, "I love the fact that my wife is out working, doing what she wants to do. I'm all for it."

[00:17:03]>> And then, you know, the internet goes, "Oh, Sean also thinks, I love watching my wife get dicked down by another dude because that's what she wants." I'm like, "Yeah, cuz those two are the same, right?"

[00:17:15]>> Right. That's totally a natural leap.

[00:17:18]>> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a nice arc right there from you know allowing my wife out of the house so she can work to this. I mean it's just kind of crazy to me but I took massive heat on YouTube and X and it was so uncomfortable for me. I called my publicist. I said hey what do I do?

[00:17:35]>> She what do you mean? I was like do you are you seeing this? Like I'm getting torched like this is uncomfortable for me. She said welcome to fame.

[00:17:44]>> I was like I'm not famous yet. I said but this is just weird. like what do I do? Do I respond? She goes, "Let it.

[00:17:50]Just let it eat. It'll go. It'll go away." And of course, it went away.

[00:17:55]Yeah, >> it truly did. But that was the one time >> I caught extreme amount of heat was YouTube and X, >> right? And and Piers Morgan is such a heated like >> environment. And >> but you know if you're public figures are really like mirrors to people and when they see us speaking or sharing our opinions on things you know they're reacting with their own insecurities in hand with their own life perspectives with their own relationships they're in or the fact that they're not in a relationship at all and maybe they desperately want to be and so they're sort of like forcing how they think it should be onto what you're saying and then it's all about how they feel about themselves. And that sounds like kind of like a cheesy or like a cliche way of saying it, but it really has everything to do with them.

[00:18:39]>> Well, you know, I think every time someone responds or reacts to something, right? Like if I say something to you, right, that is completely mean and towards you, it's not about you, it's about me, >> right? Right.

[00:18:55]>> Those are my issues. Right.

[00:18:56]>> Right. And so what I think we have going on is like with the internet is there's so many people just attack and attack and attack. It's like you can't even give an objective opinion even more without somebody coming after you. It's what the fuck's going on here, >> right?

[00:19:11]>> You know, >> yeah, >> my my buddy did a um he does podcast rankings sometimes. He's a therapist.

[00:19:16]He's awesome dude. Love the guy tremendously.

[00:19:19]>> And he was ranking podcast recently. So, podcast for men, you know, and of course, you know, he did Rogan, Alex Cooper, you know, Caller Daddy, you know, that that show. And um he did Theo Vaughn, I believe.

[00:19:34]>> That show's toxic on the other end.

[00:19:37]>> We can go there. I I want to go there, but but first, so then, you know, then he did Jordan Peterson >> and you know, which one a couple other ones and he rated me a 10.

[00:19:50]>> He's been on my show. He understands how I work. The level of conversation and the cathartic part of the interviews here is high level and high value.

[00:20:01]>> Yeah. Because you also have like, god forbid, like some emotional intelligence. Like you have empathy. And those are things that >> for whatever reason um a lot of people feel like they're going to be hurting their brand if they have that, if they allow any gray area. It has to be all the way this or all the way that, you know?

[00:20:19]>> Yeah. Exactly. And I just feel like when when those thing when that happened, the thread still goes off. Like people are saying, "You're an idiot. You're an absolute idiot. Jordan Peterson's a 10."

[00:20:32]Well, they're confusing his his conversations with his podcast >> and now and now it's flipped on him and a lot of people don't like him, >> right? I mean, and again, like I have nothing against anybody. I don't have anything against Alex Cooper either.

[00:20:44]Nothing. Yeah. I just feel >> we can go there. You said it was toxic on the other end. What are your what are your thoughts there?

[00:20:49]>> Well, yeah. I mean, you have all these um like male centric podcasts that are like your wife shouldn't be able to work and you should be able to, you know, have sex with as many women as possible and then you have on like a call her daddy. I've see all these clips of her saying that you should just be a whore if you're a woman and you should just be as, you know, sexual as like men around you. And that's like the worst kind of advice to give to women. Like, you know, men and women aren't the same. But also there's levels to like you don't no one's all the way >> in one direction either. Yeah. You know >> it's interesting because I know exactly what you're talking about. Most recently Nikki Glazer was on there >> and and she was talking about her husband. If it was just physical, she's good with it.

[00:21:38]>> What do we mean? Like >> like if if the husband went out and slept around, she's good with it. I'm okay because it's not emotional.

[00:21:46]>> See, that sounds like like cope.

[00:21:49]>> Like a what?

[00:21:49]>> Like cope. Kind of like You think so?

[00:21:51]Yeah. I don't think that's an accurate statement.

[00:21:53]>> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[00:21:55]>> Maybe maybe it's for her because maybe that maybe they swing that way on an individual level. But >> maybe, you know, I I like Nikki Glazier.

[00:22:02]I think she's funny as shit. But also, that interview came out like a week or something. It was very close. I saw the clip very close to when that new special came out.

[00:22:11]>> So, you know, you got to understand the PR cycle, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:13]>> But I think the one thing that concerns me is I heard one interview and I believe it was with Katy Perry and Katy Perry said, "You know, every time my man does the dishes, I go down on him to give that's like the add a boy."

[00:22:33]>> Okay.

[00:22:34]>> And so I'm thinking like what if my daughter is 16 right now, >> right?

[00:22:38]>> And she and she comes across that clip, >> right? goes to the goes to the episode and listens to it. Like to me that's a problem.

[00:22:45]>> Yeah. Then it's different. Yeah. When you have when you have kids and you know and the thing is kids are consuming podcast now. So it's it's it's bad. And then and in my world you know like >> there's a lot of kids that are getting sucked into like trans podcasts and shows and and all of that steering them in the wrong direction too. So, >> it's there is like a responsibility with being a public figure that I I try to walk the line of that while also being an imperfect person.

[00:23:10]>> When you say kids are getting sucked into the trans podcast and it's leading down the wrong direction, like what what direction do you mean? Like what is it doing to them?

[00:23:19]>> Yeah. I I think that there's a lot of um trans is like a political thing now when it not it didn't used to be. And so there's a lot of ideology pushed on kids now that, >> you know, puts them in the wrong in the wrong lane. And >> I don't think kids should transition.

[00:23:36]That's my stance. I've always felt that way. And so I feel very strongly about it, actually.

[00:23:41]>> So it's it's weird to be a kid, I think, on the internet now. It's like you're either getting indoctrinated by like >> people who don't know if they're men or women or by men who are the toxic kind of man or by women who are the toxic kind of women. Gender in it in and of itself is like an issue lately.

[00:23:57]>> Yeah. I mean, it's been that way for a few years, right? It's gotten very political. It's gotten very >> in our face. And and to me, I'm looking at this, I'm like, why is what one individual chooses to do with themselves, adults?

[00:24:10]Why is it why is it political? Why is it all over my feed? Like, go do what you want to do. M you know I mean it was it's not like you were seven and then you they your parents allowed you to do it >> right that's insane >> like it is insane but there's a lot of people that are doing it right now and and it's hard for me to stomach because as a seven or eight year old your brain's not fully formed shit I don't even know if mine's still I don't even know if mine's fully formed yet like I mean 25's the age right supposedly >> I mean that sounds funny but I feel like mine didn't until like 30 and then maybe when I'm 40 I'll feel like it didn't until 40 you know. Yeah. I feel different at 47 than I even did at 43 or 40. Really? Very much more mature. Yeah.

[00:24:53]Yeah. I saw >> Would you ever do your 20s again? I would not.

[00:24:55]>> No. I I just I refuse. I refuse. I was a mess. I was a mess. I had just finished baseball at LSU. My career never took off there because of injuries and and bad attitude, you know, going through the rehabilitation process of my arm and coming back. And I remember sitting in the at the College World Series when we had gotten beat. We were there two games, we lost two games, we were going home. And I mean, we were number one or two in the nation. And so it was it wasn't supposed to happen like that. And I remember standing in right field and I was looking around. I go, I don't know who I am. It's over.

[00:25:37]>> Like I'm getting I'm starting to get goosebumps thinking about it. starting to choke me up a little bit because as a 23 year old, however old I was, >> I didn't know what the fuck to do.

[00:25:48]>> I didn't know who I was without this white ball and red stitching because I never created an identity, right? It was more of people knew me because it was, oh, oh, oh, Sean French, oh, Sean French, the catcher.

[00:26:02]>> Yeah, dude's legit.

[00:26:03]>> Sean French, the the the baseball player. It was never just, yeah, Sean, the the cool ass dude that that is so kind to everybody. It's like the only way people knew me is if I performed well. It was a performative thing for me. So, I mean, I loved it, don't get me wrong, but standing there, I had no clue who I was.

[00:26:24]>> Like, zero. It was terrifying.

[00:26:27]So my 20s, the rest of my 20s, I spent drinking way too much, not caring if someone had a boyfriend or whatever, putting my friends in bad situations. I was very toxic to be around.

[00:26:42]>> And I didn't mean to be, but there was a void inside me. I was so hurt.

[00:26:47]>> Yeah. You were lost.

[00:26:48]>> Gone. Like gone. I look back at that guy and I go, "O man, I wish I could talk to you right now." You know, and I have one friend left from that era. One.

[00:26:59]>> Oh, one survived.

[00:27:01]>> One just got resuscitated.

[00:27:03]>> Like we just like literally like we literally just came back in contact >> after what 15 years. He DM'd me. He was in my request box. I'm like, my heart was like, "No way."

[00:27:15]>> Wow.

[00:27:15]>> It's my guy. It's my guy. Mike from Chico. My Chico buddy. Well, he grew up in the same town as me, but you know, we he went to Chico, but that's the guy.

[00:27:24]And um you know we ended up you know hopping on a phone phone call with each other and within two minutes he was crying I was crying >> a >> and it was like nothing ever happened.

[00:27:38]>> And that's a true friend though you know it's just true friendship is a timeless thing. I have a few people like that where doesn't matter how long we don't talk there's just so much connection that it it goes right back to the way it was.

[00:27:49]>> Yeah. But >> yeah, >> do my 20s again?

[00:27:54]>> No.

[00:27:54]>> Mm- >> I wouldn't either. And I just exited them. So >> yeah, cuz you're like what? 33. 32.

[00:28:00]>> You're 32? Yeah.

[00:28:00]>> That's my favorite number.

[00:28:02]>> Is it really?

[00:28:02]>> Yeah. So that so that is that was my baseball number for so many years.

[00:28:06]>> High school.

[00:28:07]>> Oh, nice. I think this is my favorite age.

[00:28:09]>> Hey, that was my That was my favorite age, too. It was my favorite number, right? It's a great age. It's a cool number.

[00:28:15]>> Yeah.

[00:28:15]>> Yeah. When's your birthday?

[00:28:16]>> September 14th.

[00:28:18]>> Oh, really?

[00:28:18]>> Virgo. You're a Virgo. My wife's a Virgo. She's September one.

[00:28:22]>> Oh, okay. Yeah, Virgos are the best. I actually don't even know much about astrology, but I love it. I prefer Virgos over other people.

[00:28:30]>> Very like um very cerebral, very like particular about the way they like things.

[00:28:37]>> You're saying that like it's a good thing.

[00:28:40]>> It is for the person.

[00:28:41]>> It is. It is for the freaking Virgo.

[00:28:44]Yeah.

[00:28:44]>> Um but no, it's funny because >> my mom's a Virgo.

[00:28:49]My daughter Alina is a Virgo.

[00:28:51]>> Oh, all the women are >> My wife is a Virgo. My youngest is a is a um I think a Capricorn. It's she's she's a January beginning of January baby. Yeah, it's Capricorn.

[00:29:03]>> Um and my son and I are Scorpios.

[00:29:06]>> But the thing about Virgos and Scorpios, they get along really well.

[00:29:08]>> Yes, >> they get along very well. But it but they but they can definitely bump those bump those up.

[00:29:14]>> They fight really well, too.

[00:29:16]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. My mom is a Scorpio and we fight really well.

[00:29:19]>> What's her birthday?

[00:29:20]>> Um Halloween.

[00:29:22]>> It's Bobby. It's my son's birthday.

[00:29:23]>> Really?

[00:29:24]>> Yes.

[00:29:24]>> Wow. All these synchronicities.

[00:29:26]>> I know. And I I'm the 28th. So I'm 3 days before my son.

[00:29:30]>> Okay.

[00:29:30]>> And I remember before um before he got here, it was like, "Oh my god, hopefully he doesn't come on your birthday." Then you have to share a birthday. I'm like, "Hopefully he does come on my birthday so I can share a birthday with my little dude."

[00:29:41]>> How cool would that have been? Yeah, >> that would have been cool. Halloween's cool, too, though.

[00:29:44]>> I love Halloween.

[00:29:45]>> Yeah. We were sitting there the other night and uh my wife started talking about Halloween this year. Hey girls, what do you want to be for Halloween?

[00:29:51]I'm thinking that's like six months away, babe. Like what are we doing here?

[00:29:54]But she's a planner cuz she's a Virgo.

[00:29:57]>> Yeah.

[00:29:58]>> Yeah. And so, you know, the girls are starting to shout certain things out and you know, my son goes, "I want to be something really scary again." Because last year, I think he was Michael Myers or something like that or Jace. I don't know what he was. I can't remember. But um you know he wants to do something scary and I just I I've been sitting there and the girls go to bed and they my wife talk starts talking about Halloween again and I just looked at him and I go dude you have no idea how lucky you are. He's like what do you mean? I'm like college is going to be fucking awesome. He's like >> oh yeah he's going to have a great weekend birthday Halloween. That's that's sick.

[00:30:33]>> He's like what do you mean? I'm like well there's going to be a bunch of nurses running around. There's gonna be a bunch of bunch of devils running around.

[00:30:38]>> Right. But and my wife just threw a pillow at me or something. She's like, "Stop it." But I mean, you know, it's uh I don't we're in the weeds. You know, I think that, you know, when we're talking about the 20s and the toxicity that I just that was just oozing out of me, you know, it it hurts when I look back at it, you know, because I impacted so many people's relationships >> and and I broke trust and um you know, only one friendship has has come back, you know, and so it's it's just one of those things where now I carry myself differently. So, >> yeah, >> you know, even to a point where, you know, my buddy said, "Hey, so and so, I'm I'm out with him right now." And it was my best friend. He said, "Nothing but love." I said, "Hey, tell him I love him." And then I sent him a text message like three days later.

[00:31:36]No response. I said, "It's okay." Right?

[00:31:40]Because he doesn't know me now, >> right? He's still It's still the old you in his head. Yeah. I was like, "Dude, if you I mean, like that was like 2006, >> 2007, >> right? It's >> like it's like almost 20 years ago."

[00:31:53]>> Yeah. Yeah. It's like It's hard for me, too, because like not only do people not know who I am now, but also like >> I wasn't a public figure back then. So, that's a weird change for people that used to be in my life. And then also like I, >> you know, didn't look like this, surgery, trans, all that. So, it's sometimes hard to connect with most people from like my childhood and stuff.

[00:32:14]>> Do you find it's hard for people from your childhoods to relate to you, not because of trans, but because of the fact that you're a public figure?

[00:32:23]>> Yes. Yeah. They they really don't get it. And I think that um a lot of people project an ego that isn't there or a um like a hoyytoidiness that like I truly don't have because public figure or or fame to them reads as like oh they're better than me or something >> which I don't feel that way at all. I don't feel like I'm above anybody. So >> I don't get that vibe from you at all.

[00:32:47]>> Yeah. No, life is just life. I think all people are equal. Yeah.

[00:32:51]>> Um but you know that's I'm also from the tiniest town where there's no such thing as like getting attention outside of that tiny town. So I think it's a hard thing for them to get.

[00:33:02]>> Yeah, it is. But you know it's funny because I would say about two years ago.

[00:33:07]I mean the show maybe three years ago the show was a lot smaller and my best friend said like hey dude it's hard for people to relate to you now.

[00:33:14]>> Yeah.

[00:33:14]>> It's like dude I'm just talking on a microphone and it's not even that big of a deal yet.

[00:33:19]>> Right.

[00:33:19]>> Yet you know. So now it's like, >> oh, I lost most of my friends when I started. And in fact, I was just telling this story earlier today. All of my friends at the time, I had like a bunch of roommates that were also my friends.

[00:33:32]And I was like two videos into starting YouTube. And I found out they were all doing like hate watch parties at our mutual friends house, like putting it on the TV like that.

[00:33:40]>> Your roommates?

[00:33:41]>> Yeah. And they were like hate watching me.

[00:33:43]>> Were they your actual friends or they just roommates?

[00:33:45]>> Well, now I know they weren't.

[00:33:46]>> Yeah. No shit. But back then, but they were called, yeah, they had the title friend. We they were roommates that were friends first and we lived together.

[00:33:53]>> Um, so, >> you know, it was it was clearly just jealousy and again a projection of their own insecurities.

[00:34:00]>> So, but I but I've rebuilt now. I have, you know, friends all over the world. I I get to connect with people all over the planet. So, >> Well, you got me right.

[00:34:08]>> You got me. I I I consider you a friend.

[00:34:10]So, I I hear you. Yeah. Thank you. And I have met so many different people in this industry.

[00:34:17]>> Yeah.

[00:34:17]>> That become close I become closer with them than I than I am with people that live in my town that I know, >> you know, and it's it's an interesting thing. And I think unless you're in it, you can't understand it.

[00:34:30]>> Yeah. It just becomes a different um a different way of life, >> you know. It's and it's weird because you also um like you were saying with getting heat and stuff like that, all of that lives forever on the internet and so you wonder how much people from your past maybe like read that too and then internalize that. So it's easier to be friends with people who are also public figures because they understand yeah >> that it doesn't matter what's written about you on the internet.

[00:35:00]>> That's a great point. you you jog something in my mind of the other reason I I feel it's easier to be friends with other public figures is because they understand what you're going through and how hard it is >> and how much you know people may judge you but nobody's judging you as much as you're judging yourself >> 100% >> you know and it it it's an exhausting thing >> you know because you know as an because I I consider what I do I'm an artist >> this is my art yeah >> you know my conversation is an art form >> 100%.

[00:35:32]>> And it's specifically mine. Nobody else does it like me, just like nobody else does it like you.

[00:35:37]>> You know, it's limited edition stuff.

[00:35:40]>> But, you know, when when there's other people like the people that you know from your past like, hey, you just just slow down. It's not it's not that big of a deal. But what what they don't understand is this is everything. You know, this is something that we put our heart and soul in. And when you put your art out and you feel it's not being received, it's personal.

[00:36:00]>> Yeah. You know, >> and I don't have a plan B. I'm doing this forever. You know, >> I burned I burned the bridge a long time ago.

[00:36:06]>> Yeah.

[00:36:07]>> I mean, I have other aspirations as well that I want to add on to what I'm doing, but I >> I I pretty much have made peace with the fact that I'm always going to be, you know, a public figure. It's like a lifelong thing. It's not a flavor of the decade or week or whatever. It's not like, "Hey, I want to do this because COVID hit and everybody was popping into it." Right.

[00:36:26]>> Right. Right. It's I'm not I didn't join an MLM for a while. Thank God. Someone did try to get me to join an MLM a long time ago. Thank God.

[00:36:33]>> You know, that's how I started my show.

[00:36:36]I I went into a um MLM.

[00:36:40]>> Really?

[00:36:40]>> I did. Yeah. I was always trying to make extra money. Yeah. And I didn't I never did well with them because I didn't believe in it. Right. I believe in the model. Like, cool. People can go do that. I didn't I didn't possess the traits to do it right. I didn't like it.

[00:36:52]But in this last one, it was it was Melleuca actually. It was a um that one.

[00:36:58]>> It's like a direct to consumer. It's not really an MLM.

[00:37:01]>> You share the the the link and if they buy from the store, you get commissions.

[00:37:06]It was supposed to be all non-toxic stuff. But but in order to do that and do well, they were like, "You have to be a p you have to have a a personal brand." I'm like, "What the fuck is that?"

[00:37:15]>> I didn't know. What is that?

[00:37:16]>> I was a medical salesperson. I had no idea. I was in the O watching, you know, robotic surgeries. And so the whole point is like I stumbled into this. Like I didn't mean to find this, but I did.

[00:37:30]And once I found that this was my purpose, this is my calling. I did whatever I could to put myself and my family in the position. So when I can go bye-bye corporate and focus full-time on this, I did it. It was I think it was >> it was January. It was January of 2024 where I was finally done with corporate and it was the best decision. Uh, corporate America made me, right? I I feel like I did a lot there that helped me talking to different types of people and um, you know, one day could be a dentist, one day could be, you know, a construction worker because I had multiple sales careers. But, you know, for me is like to your point like there's no turning back.

[00:38:12]>> Yeah.

[00:38:12]>> There's only building on from this.

[00:38:14]>> Yeah. Uh, and it's so freeing to be your own boss, even though it's also, in my opinion, 10 times more stressful.

[00:38:19]Although I only had one real job before this.

[00:38:22]>> What did you do before this?

[00:38:23]>> I was working in a clothing store.

[00:38:24]>> A clothing store?

[00:38:25]>> It was my f Yeah. I was there for I think like six months. And um I hated it. Like I would straight up like refuse to even do anything. Like customers would come in and be like, "Can you help me get this clothing off the rack?" And I'd be like, "No, I don't really want to."

[00:38:40]>> You're like, "No, it's that's not what I do."

[00:38:42]>> Yeah. But for whatever reason, my boss like loved me, so I never got in trouble. But then, you know, the second I could do YouTube and was making money from it, I was like, I'm gone.

[00:38:52]>> Amazing. Amazing. Um, you mentioned you want to do other things to add on to what you're doing now. What are some of those things that you want to do?

[00:39:00]>> Well, I want to run for office eventually.

[00:39:02]>> Okay, cool.

[00:39:02]>> Yeah. So, that's more of a um long-term thing.

[00:39:06]>> Yeah. I want to run for Congress in California.

[00:39:08]>> Hell yeah.

[00:39:09]Not immediately, but you know, when the time is right. So, >> I want to not just like talk about politics. I want to like >> make real change on paper.

[00:39:18]>> What kind of changes would you make in California?

[00:39:21]>> Oh my gosh. Well, honing in on just right, honing in on just the trans part.

[00:39:26]Um, it's a sanctuary state, quote unquote, for trans kids, which means >> if even one parent wants the kid to transition, they do it still. So, that needs to be fixed because that's >> child abuse. Um, and then I'm really passionate about the homeless issue in California. Like it's disgusting that we have all this money, especially in California, one of the biggest economies in the world, not just America, and there's a million people dying on the street. And it's really sad. They get discarded. Yeah.

[00:39:51]>> And those are human beings with hearts and minds and souls as well. So that and you know, whatever is the issues of the time when I actually run, you know.

[00:40:01]>> What's the timeline for you, you think?

[00:40:03]Um, I feel like I don't want to say because I don't want to um >> make any false promises, but it's definitely on the agenda.

[00:40:11]>> That's awesome. Um, you know, I think it's I think it's amazing to put that out there, you know, just to say this is what I want to do or I want you're going to do it. You know, it's just one of those things where there's certain people where, you know, when they say this is what I want to do and you can be like all right, you might you might could do it.

[00:40:29]>> I already know it's like just kind of my Destiny. Yeah. When you tell me, I'm like, "Okay, yeah, done deal." Like, "Cool. Yeah, that's that's a no-brainer, you know, and I think it's important in California because there's that's the most beautiful state in the union."

[00:40:42]>> Like, I miss California. I don't necessarily care for how it's run, but I I miss my home.

[00:40:48]>> And when I go back there and I plant my foot off that plane and I, you know, go out there to get the rental car, I can just feel it. I can feel it, >> you know, even if I'm not in the Bay.

[00:40:58]And we went to some we went to LA last year, last summer, and we did Jay Leno, you know, at Jay Leno's garage. That was freaking cool. But the moment I got off the plane and I just like, man, it's a different energy. It just >> Yeah, it really is.

[00:41:11]>> I'm home. I'm here.

[00:41:12]>> I can't do the humidity out here.

[00:41:14]>> Isn't it bad?

[00:41:15]>> It's beautiful out here, too, but it just the air. I just can't do it.

[00:41:18]>> The humidity is absolutely ridiculous.

[00:41:21]Especially if you're not used to it, you know? Like earlier today it was like nice and then I went and got ceviche the little um you know out ceviche right out right there at Suviche the restaurant and everything was fine. I walked out afterwards and I walked down the street to get a coffee and I'm like sweating.

[00:41:39]>> Yeah, it's brutal.

[00:41:40]>> Like what happened in 45 minutes to where I can't even feels like a freaking sauna.

[00:41:44]>> You know what's so crazy is I almost got hit in the head by an iguana out here.

[00:41:47]>> Okay, let's talk about that.

[00:41:49]I was walking under a palm tree or something out here and this iguana like froze in the tree and almost hit me in the head.

[00:41:55]>> When was this?

[00:41:56]>> This was a couple years ago like in winter here. The iguanas like freeze.

[00:42:00]>> Yeah. They die >> and I had no idea it was like the jungle out here like that.

[00:42:03]>> Oh my god. Yeah. You can't walk under trees.

[00:42:05]>> Yeah.

[00:42:06]>> Oh my god.

[00:42:07]>> Did it hit you?

[00:42:08]>> Almost. It grazed me.

[00:42:10]>> That's a freaky thing.

[00:42:11]>> Yeah.

[00:42:12]>> Interesting. Florida be Florida.

[00:42:14]>> You know, that's why I have that show Florida, man. The craziest things happen here. It really. Yeah, it's unexpected all the time.

[00:42:19]>> You have alligators that are in pools and, you know, all that kind of crazy stuff.

[00:42:23]>> Yeah.

[00:42:24]>> Before Florida is beautiful in its own right. I I don't hate that I live here.

[00:42:28]I do hate it from June to May. I don't like hurricanes.

[00:42:33]>> Yeah. No. Yeah.

[00:42:34]>> Yeah.

[00:42:35]>> Not good.

[00:42:36]>> You know what it is? It's the anxiety of watching it on the TV for five days.

[00:42:42]You don't know where it's going, you know?

[00:42:44]>> Do you have like anxiety in general, you think, too?

[00:42:46]>> Oh, me of course. Yeah, of course I do.

[00:42:47]I I have massive anxiety. It gets Yeah, it gets it's gotten better >> the more I watch my food, the more I work out, it does get better.

[00:42:58]>> So, I don't worry about things that I used to worry about, but sometimes I do have dark thoughts about bad things happening to my family.

[00:43:05]>> Yeah. Yeah. Anxiety is rough. I have pretty bad anxiety, too. So these days it's a little better because again I kind of learned like um food really matters and people don't really make that connection but the the gut brain connection is like really real.

[00:43:19]>> Took the words right out of my mouth >> and moving, you know what I mean? And um I used to like just wake up and drink like straight coffee in the morning with no food and then I'd have like a panic attack and then I learned like you're not supposed to do it like that. So >> Oh, you're not?

[00:43:31]>> No, you're supposed to you're supposed to have food with >> I have a protein shake.

[00:43:35]>> Yeah, that that's that that counts. That counts. Um, and then I had like a panic attack for the first time, like a real one a couple years ago after never having one. And I always thought it was something um, I guess I believed people that it was like scary and serious, but until you like really have one, you don't know how like real it is.

[00:43:51]>> You think you're having a heart attack.

[00:43:52]>> You It convinces you you're dying. Yeah, it really does. So, I've never had a full-on panic attack, but I have had moments where I just I feel like there's an elephant on my chest and and I get really quiet and my wife goes, "Are you I go, >> I'm I'm I'm going through it right now."

[00:44:07]Like, I I just I just need a minute.

[00:44:08]Like, I don't I don't know what's going on with me. I'm super anxious right now.

[00:44:12]Just out of nowhere.

[00:44:13]>> Yeah.

[00:44:14]>> You know, what makes you What are the things that make you anxious the most?

[00:44:20]H I think like not living up to what I know that I can. So like >> I've which is silly and you know anxiety is irrational and so that's how you know it's like not real but like cuz I've accomplished more in my life than I ever >> ever would have thought.

[00:44:36]>> So it's interesting that you still will beat up on yourself even when you you know do a lot. But I guess just not living up to >> my own expectations of myself and even sometimes just on the timeline that I want to live up to it. So, I'm like my own worst enemy a lot of the times.

[00:44:52]>> Yeah. I I remember um timelines used to really f with me like badly.

[00:44:57]>> Like if I say, "Okay, I want to leave corporate America in six months." And I didn't hit it, >> it was like I suck, >> right?

[00:45:02]>> Like I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm shit. I'm useless. This is never going to happen.

[00:45:07]Those things don't bother me anymore because I've kind of let go of the wheel of that and just only thing I can control is having great conversations and giving people value. Right.

[00:45:16]>> Right. That's the only thing I can do is be the best host I can be. But the things that really mess with me, man, there's just like something happening to my kids. Like I just I I can't it I was getting ready this morning. I couldn't sleep like I told you and Joey off camera. Like I woke up at two and I just couldn't go back to sleep. And so I started just doing some work stuff and you know then I then I showered. I was getting ready to go get to go get a workout in. And um like I just started having these bad like like I don't want to say visions because it's it wasn't visions but it was just like these bad thoughts that seemed so freaking real >> about something happening to my kids.

[00:46:00]>> And it's just it's like it's so it's so debilitating. Those are the only things that make me anxious. And then at lunchtime, my wife called me and I didn't pick up because I I didn't hear my phone and I called her back two times and sent her like five texts before and I don't have a response yet.

[00:46:17]>> So I'm like, "Oh shit." So before the before we sat down, I had to check myself.

[00:46:22]>> Like is this real or is this just fear?

[00:46:25]And fear is an illusion right now. So just leave it there. But those are the only things that that freak me out.

[00:46:33]That's what you have to I always try to remind myself too in the moment of like >> it's my brain making this seem real and it's doing a really good job at it but it's that doesn't mean it's real.

[00:46:43]>> I wonder why that is though. I wonder why like for for we both have different types of anxieties, right? And I I just wonder why mine is the way it is.

[00:46:53]>> Well, I think that you know it's what you care about the most is your kids.

[00:46:57]So, I think part of it, and you can feel good about it, is just you being a really good dad because there's a lot of dads out here who don't >> really care what happens to their kids.

[00:47:05]So, that's the first thing, but >> I think it's um it's a biological thing, too. You know, we need a certain amount of anxiety to like make sure we don't swerve in the other lane when we're driving to make sure we avoid like threats, you know?

[00:47:19]>> But it's about like reminding yourself when it goes over the line to being irrational.

[00:47:24]>> Yeah. Yeah. Like today, like it I was like this is irrational. This is ridiculous. For a long time, you know, earlier in the year, you know, there was some things happening at schools in public places. And so, I was every time my wife and my three kids would go to school, I would go in the house and I would cry because I was so scared.

[00:47:41]>> Yeah. I mean, they just it's just, you know, there's real stuff happening in the world, right? You never know.

[00:47:47]Granted, my kids are at a prep school and it's very small and, you know, but hey, you never know. And so, right, >> those things would go through my mind and it would just break me. It's like, so if I could fix anything, >> you know, I would want for me to fix that because that is a horrible feeling for me.

[00:48:06]>> Yeah. Just I would say just don't go on medication for it. That stuff really like >> Don't go on medication.

[00:48:12]>> Yeah. I've never seen people taking anxiety med like I'm very >> despite the fact that I'm trans and obviously that includes like some drugs, I'm very anti- big pharma and like I don't agree with like psych meds. I've never seen them do more good than harm.

[00:48:25]Perhaps in extreme cases. I don't want to make an absolute statement, but I've seen it harm a lot of people.

[00:48:31]>> Yeah. You know, um I would say around 2015, I started getting a lot of anxiety with my son when I was driving over bridges.

[00:48:44]I never had a fear of bridges until my son was born. I was taking him to daycare.

[00:48:48]>> That's how you know it's linked to like being a father and Yeah.

[00:48:51]>> Yeah. And now I'm terrified of bridges.

[00:48:55]>> Oh wow. Yeah.

[00:48:56]>> I I like there's a lot of times I if we're going somewhere and if we have to go to St. Pete and we got to go over the Skyway Bridge in Tampa, I go, "Jackie, I need you to talk to me every second.

[00:49:06]Every second. Don't stop talking to me."

[00:49:08]And I'm like, cuz >> Oh, wow. You have it really bad.

[00:49:11]>> I have it really bad because >> I'm not trying to sound >> No. mean or anything.

[00:49:14]>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't I don't take it that way because >> I've been there. I'm not always there, but I have that level often, too.

[00:49:21]>> Yeah. But with bridges, I get there, right? And and it's funny because not funny in in a sense of like it's humorous, but in 2014 when those things started happening, it started really impacting me. So I did go on satalopram.

[00:49:33]>> Oh, >> I did. And when I went on salopram, I was like 185 pounds.

[00:49:41]Fast forward four months, maybe six months, I was way over 230.

[00:49:47]>> Oh wow.

[00:49:48]>> It made me so fat. And I don't And again, once I got off of it, >> because I didn't change any habits, right? And it just after I got off of it, I I went back to my normal baseline.

[00:50:02]>> And did it even help the anxiety?

[00:50:03]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:50:04]>> Oh, it did.

[00:50:05]>> Oh, it did. Yeah. But I mean, I still thought about it, but it wasn't the the physical feeling of the anxiety. It's like, man, okay, everything's fine.

[00:50:13]You're good. Just drive. Right. If you're timid, that's when things bad things are going to happen. So, just go.

[00:50:19]Um, but yeah, I mean I also believe in, you know, I'm not really big on, you know, the big pharma thing and I think there's a lot of drugs out there that are good in certain situations. I can't judge every certain person of why they would take something.

[00:50:34]>> So, I don't want to misconrue that. But for me, it's not, you know, if a kid is doing bad in school and can't keep focus, I I'm not for >> they put kids on aderall. You know what I'm for?

[00:50:46]>> Getting that kid an executive functioning coach. that that we've done for our children.

[00:50:51]>> Oh, you have? Okay.

[00:50:52]>> Oh, yeah. My We're all ADHD.

[00:50:54]>> Okay. Okay. That Yeah, I'm ADHD as well.

[00:50:57]And I actually um take a little bit of Adderall sometimes, too, just to help with it.

[00:51:01]>> Um so, yeah, I I >> Yeah. So, it's like I when I when I took it, I took um aderall, it was when I first started the show and it was I needed it really badly and um I wouldn't eat >> because I I wasn't hungry and then I would just snap.

[00:51:24]>> I was the big Jackie said, "You you're you're not really nice right now. I don't know what's going on, but I think it's the meds. you need to get off of it.

[00:51:33]>> Yeah, aderall can really heighten your emotions and it also gives you terrible anxiety. So, >> the tradeoff is like, okay, I can focus more, but now I'm focusing on these things I'm super anxious about.

[00:51:44]>> Yeah. So, I um I got off of that and uh I feel great. But I but I believe in certain pharmaceuticals. Like I'm big into hormones, you know, um TRT. I'm big into peptides. Like, you know, my my refrigerator looks like a freaking lab.

[00:52:02]>> What peptides are you on?

[00:52:03]>> What peptides I'm on? Oh my god, how much time do we have now?

[00:52:05]>> Is it a lot of them?

[00:52:06]>> It's a lot of them. So, I'm on tessillin >> and that does >> so it's like more of a it releases like it's a human growth hormone, but it's also incinerates the visceral fat. So, your fat around your organs. Um, I'm on the testosterone.

[00:52:22]Um, I'm on um, Tzepide, which is GLP-1.

[00:52:28]>> Okay. Yeah, I I do that sometimes, too.

[00:52:30]>> Yeah, I I love it. I love it. It really helps. Um, what else? Um, I don't think methylene blue is a is a peptide. Uh, sloop is a peptide. So, yeah, I'm I'm on some peptides, >> you know. Um, but um, you know, I'm good with that kind of stuff, but I'm, you know, >> I don't I don't think there's going to be any massive, you know, um, downfall later on or side effects or things that happen to me. You know, I think, you know, RFK talks about it a lot about how the peptides have gotten a really bad rap and they've been blacklisted.

[00:53:04]They're starting to come off that list because there are some really good uses for it, >> you know. So >> yeah, it's it's dangerous when it gets to drugs and you know, even even aderall is like really dangerous.

[00:53:15]>> Yeah. Yeah. I just um Yeah. But but you know, the whole point of it is is you can't just run and put kids on meds.

[00:53:25]>> You just >> No. You know, especially the aderall for the kids, it just fries them >> and then by the time they're adults, it's like their baseline is just way off kind of like forever. Mhm. I think the important thing is too like when when I when I mentioned, you know, you get him an executive coach. Like when my son was in public school, he had low B's and C's, couldn't stay focused. Uh a lot of ticks, too, because I think the anxiety was just crushing him. Then he goes to the prep school, which is much harder and much more demanding. We get him in executive functioning coach. He hasn't had anything lower than an 85 in two years.

[00:54:00]>> Nice.

[00:54:00]>> Like, he's got six A's and two B's.

[00:54:03]Maybe I need to go to one of those.

[00:54:05]>> The ADHD is real.

[00:54:07]>> Well, no. You know, the the co they they they help you prioritize what needs to be done for the week. So, they look at every every Monday morning at 7:30 he has his executive functioning coach.

[00:54:16]>> That's awesome.

[00:54:16]>> I pick him up at 8:30 and I take him to school and um they go through his whole schedule, what's due, and you know, his coach helps him break down by day what he needs to do at home, right? and what they do inside there in the hour and it's it's changed him tremendously. It's been the most amazing thing to a point where like thank god we didn't go the other route, >> right? And back in the day they didn't even there was no understanding of ADHD not even that long ago. So like the idea of you know parents actually seeking out alternative methods for their kids, they weren't even they were just being told put them on aderall and >> based on the kind of ADHD you have that can be like the worst thing for you too.

[00:54:59]>> Yeah. Well, too, if you don't take a saliva test and and submit your DNA to like a lab to see what medications actually will work and what your body will reject, like how do you know you're medicating the right the right way?

[00:55:13]>> Right. Right.

[00:55:14]>> Because that's a thing now.

[00:55:15]>> Oh, absolutely.

[00:55:16]>> You know, you can you can take one pharmaceutical and it can make something else worse or, you know, it could turn somebody into a you look at them like this, >> it can make you fat.

[00:55:25]>> Yeah.

[00:55:26]>> Which is that's a big problem, too.

[00:55:27]>> Yeah. It was a big problem for me. No pun intended.

[00:55:30]>> Like it sucked, man. And so I spent the ne the last however many years getting back to this, >> you know, cuz it's been a journey. It's like been a here, here, here. And now for the last since December of 2024, it's been like this. Like it's consistent now.

[00:55:47]>> But I had to fight back, you know, and that that's never comfortable because that that >> that hurts. That doesn't make me very effective, right? And and in our business when we're you know in front of the camera all the time and you know we're public figures and we we have we're thought leaders as well obviously and when we're speaking to people need to believe us >> and you know Fat Sean didn't scream determination >> right >> just like like where's your discipline dude where's your determination like >> your show might talk about it and you might be that way in your business but are you that way as a human? I can't even film a video or do anything on camera if I'm even having like a bad week kind of, which I probably should be better at like managing that, but I just never want to come on camera. I just feel like you can tell when someone's >> going through it a little bit and like I don't ever want to communicate.

[00:56:42]>> Maybe it's like afraid of showing vulnerability or something, but I don't I just want to be all there mentally before I try to preach to other people about how to feel about things. I can relate to this because I don't share enough moments of me like my you look at my grid, it's the podcast stuff as you know and it's some stuff with my family sometimes. I don't always put my kids faces on there because people take your content and make >> Yeah, absolutely. Especially these days with AI dude that's like a really bad bad thing going on. Mm-m. So, but um you know, I I when I do share where I'm at emotionally or frustration wise, it's like now I got 50 fucking psychologists in my comment section, >> you know, offer me advice. It's like, guys, I'm fine.

[00:57:30]>> I'm just having a moment and I'm sharing it because I don't want you to think that I think I am perfect, >> right? It's why I don't I don't even really look at comments.

[00:57:40]>> Yeah. No, you don't ever. No, I've been lucky enough I feel like I've in my career been around enough people that are way more successful than me and so I asked them advice like what's the key to longevity? What's the key to like staying sane? And all the most successful people I've known have said the same thing. Just don't read the comments.

[00:57:59]>> So interesting.

[00:58:00]>> Yeah, Joe Rogan told me that. Rosanne Bar told me that few other people. So, I've just kind of taken it and and it's benefited me a lot because you also don't want to be necessarily at the whim of what everyone wants you to create, at least with what I do because then you there's audience capture, right? Then there's like >> I'm kind of just going through the motions to please people and that's uh you don't really grow like that >> because then you're not really expanding or sometimes you need to do something then even segments of your audience are like what is this? And if you're if you have a decent amount of intuition and you're on the money, then even if they're not there, they'll come around to it.

[00:58:38]>> Yeah. I think I think when we're when you're creating content though, it's for you, right? It's like these are my beliefs. You know, the one thing that I do a poor job of, I'm still very engaged in my platform on on Instagram because I'm not to the point where I I really want to be yet. So, I'm still I'm responding to comments. I'm looking at them. And >> it's good to be like that, too. You don't want to ignore the audience or whatever. No, no, I don't. But, you know, like on Instagram, like I don't get anything bad said, you know, and so, you know, I'll I'll engage, but also there's going to come a time where I probably shouldn't look at the comments and I probably shouldn't use my time doing that because you never know what you're going to read, you know? You know, and I think it's all about, like you said, the key to longevity is sometimes knowing yourself well enough to know what your triggers are and knowing what can kind of take you off the rails and then don't go there, >> right?

[00:59:30]>> Like stay away from it, right? And >> you kind of got to bulldoze. You just got to go where you're going and >> if people latch on, they latch on and a lot of other people will catch up to you later.

[00:59:39]>> Yeah. I mean, that's true. you know, um, you had mentioned something earlier about like com we were talking about comments and it it made me think about, you know, and I know you've talked about it, but I was really interested to understand what happened after the penthouse interview because you were getting threats and did you call the FBI? Is that accurate?

[00:59:57]>> Oh my gosh. Yeah. Going all the way back. I think it was like before the penthouse interview. I think I talked about it in the penthouse interview if I remember correctly.

[01:00:06]>> Yeah. There was a period in 2017 where I had made a video um criticizing Black Lives Matter >> and uh I just took a lot of heat all at once and it ended up with like people taking pictures, holding guns, wanting to come get me. And actually the FBI contacted me >> to let me know what was going on. And I think they were um they asked me a few questions. I can't even remember.

[01:00:30]>> So it was definitely more serious than like a lot of other moments. So, I guess there was some um credibility to it, but >> that's another thing that comes with the territory, especially about politics.

[01:00:40]>> How'd that feel?

[01:00:41]>> Um I think I was so green and so new to like everything that it actually was kind of fun. I was kind of like, screw it.

[01:00:49]>> I matter. Cool. This is neat. Yeah.

[01:00:52]>> Yeah. I was like, does this mean I'm famous now? Like people want to kill me?

[01:00:54]Cool.

[01:00:55]>> Kind of.

[01:00:55]>> Right.

[01:00:56]>> I mean, right. That's kind of shitty though.

[01:00:58]>> And now because I've been doing it for so long, like it probably wouldn't feel as great. Like I have some crazy stalkers now.

[01:01:05]>> Do you?

[01:01:07]>> Yeah, I have the cra I mean you could probably imagine I I summon all different types of people with my content.

[01:01:14]>> Yeah.

[01:01:15]>> A lot of perverts, a lot of uh crazy people, a lot of radical people.

[01:01:20]>> So, it's kind of like a stream of just the craziest people you could imagine.

[01:01:24]>> You need security.

[01:01:25]>> Well, I I've been docked everywhere I've lived. So, my address has been leaked on the internet every place I've ever lived since doing this. with the exception of where I currently live. So, knock on wood.

[01:01:35]>> Oh gosh.

[01:01:36]>> Don't do it.

[01:01:37]>> I know. But now I live um in a really secure area. I have no neighbors. I have one private road in and out of my house, cameras everywhere. So, if someone was trying to come get me, I could see him coming.

[01:01:48]>> That's good. That's good. When you when you look back at things, right, is there anything that you've ever said that you regret saying, not because um of facts, but emotionally?

[01:02:02]Yeah, I feel like um you know I'm imperfect and I'm very like passionate about what I say. So sometimes that comes through a vehicle of like heightened emotions and so there's been times where I was probably more mean than I needed to be. And I've even apologized to certain people and >> been like, >> I still don't like what you did or what you how you feel, but also I didn't need to be such a bitch about it. So I think it's really like a passion for like justice and stuff and I rarely go after people that don't do like you know most of the people I really go after are like predators and um >> you know just like insane people but >> but that doesn't change that there's just a level of responsibility for me to be like a as kind of a person as I can be despite the heated topics.

[01:02:47]>> No I mean you know that that's a good point. You know, it's uh you know, sometimes we can say things even, you know, even though we get emotional and we we kind of pop off. I never do it on camera. Um but I can I've popped off to my wife before and I felt really really bad about it. Not to say that it may not have been factual, but maybe I went about it the wrong way.

[01:03:10]>> Right. I like Right. I like to say, you know, I'm rarely wrong, >> but >> what's the Virgo in you?

[01:03:17]>> Right.

[01:03:18]>> Yeah. Because also I don't like to really speak on things I don't know a lot about. So like you're not going to catch a video or commentary for me on like how airplanes work >> or you know quantum physics or whatever.

[01:03:29]It's like I'm talking about I make sure I know what I'm talking about.

[01:03:31]>> You're in your lane. You stay there.

[01:03:32]>> Yeah.

[01:03:32]>> And that's important in life, right?

[01:03:34]Especially as a creator and and as a public figure is >> you have you have guard rails, >> right?

[01:03:40]>> And you have to stay in them, right?

[01:03:42]>> Stay in them so you can be great, >> you know? So, >> well, thank you so much for coming. This has been fun to catch up and you know I know you got a lot more things to do and um you're kind of on tour. You enjoy going around everywhere. Hopefully you guys get to go home soon and uh rest.

[01:03:57]>> Few days. Yeah, this was great. Thank you so much for having me.

[01:04:00]>> It's been a pleasure. Thank you again.

[01:04:02]>> Actually, one more question. Yeah. Oh my god, I can't believe I almost forgot the most important question of the interview.

[01:04:07]>> After everything that you've been through in your life, what does being determined actually mean to you?

[01:04:15]I think it means knowing that when you go through things, it's not permanent.

[01:04:20]It's just a season. You know, everything passes, even the worst things.

[01:04:25]>> And knowing that you have the ability to transmute anything, like you have the ability to turn something into something that actually helps you later or helps other people. like you can be um really in despair about certain things, but as long as you know like there will be a way to use this to make me a better person, you know, that way you're never a victim to something. You're never, you know, at the whim of the world or circumstances.

[01:04:49]>> I really feel that adversity is something that instead of running from or why is this happening to me? I can't believe this, it's like what is this going to teach me?

[01:04:58]>> How's it going to benefit me?

[01:05:00]>> Yes. Because if that's a paradigm shift like think about one is relinquishing power, one is claiming it. Right? I recently did a TED talk on it or a TEDex talk on it about adversity being the real classroom in life, >> right?

[01:05:14]>> It's like everything that I've gone through like all the bad shit, it has built me to talk about this. It's like it's almost like God knew, >> right? Of course. Of course he did. It's like, all right, you're going to go through all this stuff >> and you're you have to let it shape you, >> but you're going to come out the other side as this guy. And so for me, it's just that's a really good really good definition of determination because I feel like everything that happens is that you have to grab on to it and be like, okay, I might I might with certain things feel really shitty about it for a small period of time.

[01:05:52]>> I'm I'm not a hypocrite and and I'm also not a robot. I'm a human. So, if something bad happens or, you know, I lose a a big deal, you know, I can get to a point where like, oh my god, it's crashing down. Like, oh my god, the anxiety kicks in.

[01:06:07]>> But, you know what? I wake up the next morning and I go to the gym and those thoughts are gone. I go, how am I going to fix this?

[01:06:15]>> Like, I get into the energy of what what's next? What am I going to do to focus on a solution and then implement it? And I think that's the most important thing in life.

[01:06:25]>> Yeah. Otherwise, you're just at the whim of whatever happens to you and you start taking all this damage when even, you know, damage is like how you make a diamond, right? It's like whatever the the phrase is. So, >> pressure.

[01:06:36]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and also it's it's hard to even relate to people who have never really been through anything. I find personally it's it's hard for me to really have a conversation with someone who doesn't know what it's like to be in the trenches a little bit.

[01:06:49]>> I can't vibe with anybody that hasn't been just obliterated by adversity, >> right?

[01:06:58]>> Because it's like what what do we have in common at that point, >> you know? And and and the one thing that does drive me crazy when people say, "I've never I'm good. I've never been through this adversity." It's like, >> "Yeah, dude. Yeah, you have. You're you're you're you're turning your back on it. You're not accepting it.

[01:07:14]>> That's denial." And then the problem with that is it still lives in you >> and it comes out in all these different ways. So like the way that trauma will affect you and people think of trauma as only like these huge things that happen like people think trauma means oh the worst things and it does but also like just little things like little like rejection traumas throughout the day little those things add up and if you don't >> learn how to transmute it and change it into something positive it's going to come out in >> being disrespectful to your partner or um being rude to the waitress or drinking too much alcohol and abusing your body. So, >> or how about disease?

[01:07:51]>> Yes. Literally, you know, I was just actually talking about this, like you have the placebo effect, which is like if you think a sugar pill can cure you, if you really are ignorant about, you think it like can shows the power of your mind over your own body and health.

[01:08:05]>> So, if you are always thinking negative thoughts, it's like you're going to be sick. Or if you let even negative thoughts that are still in your subconscious that you think aren't there fester, you're just going to get sick.

[01:08:17]facts, my friend. Well, >> thank you so much. Yes, it was >> it was fun. It was amazing. So, guys, go check out Miss Blair White on Instagram.

[01:08:25]Go search her YouTube channel. And uh you know what? Go support her. Go support her and listen to what she has to say. But here's what I'm going to tell you. When you do this, actually take the time to find out who the person is, not just what she is saying. All right, guys. And until next time, stay determined.