The Hit Factor EP 224: Jeremy Reid, Saul Allen, Jay Beal

Added: 2026-05-20

[00:00:01]What is up everybody? This is the Hit Factor podcast. Uh many of you may not know who I am. Uh you probably don't recognize my voice. Uh and and my hair has gotten such a way that people that are on video, they may not recognize me that way, but this is Jeremy Reid with HitFactor Podcast coming at you with one potato. Saul Allen, do you still go by potato? It's been a long time since I've been on, so I don't know if I'm the only one that does that.

[00:00:33]>> I have not yet evolved.

[00:00:35]>> Perfect. He's not a French fry yet. Uh uh, also GM and we're going to have to go over that because I listen to y'all's y'all's other podcast, your previous podcast. Uh, and then we also have the one and only Jay Beal. Uh, you know, I think this is the first time I've seen that view of you, Jay, and where I can see your ceiling as well.

[00:00:57]You like my ceiling?

[00:00:58]>> Well, I I'm I like how organized all the wires are.

[00:01:03]>> Oh, yeah. That's That would not be my doing. That would be a professional.

[00:01:08]Organized some wires. I think I ran a pipe up there, though.

[00:01:11]>> They They did a pretty good job. Uh I I'm I'm impressed. So, >> they did they did well. We paid them lots of money. So, [laughter] >> Well, you hope that >> Yeah. I don't know if you know how electricians work, but you can pay them lots of money and they it doesn't look like that.

[00:01:27]>> That's That's true.

[00:01:29]>> Yeah, this part they did do a good job.

[00:01:30]And then I can look up and see the wire that I ran for my generator hookup and it's like all wobbly through the thing.

[00:01:37]And >> so you you didn't think you didn't look at their wires and then when you started putting yours up think maybe I could try to make it kind of match their work.

[00:01:48]Well, I mean, sometimes I tried to match their work and then it just doesn't it just didn't doesn't turn out the same, you know?

[00:01:54]>> The skill set wasn't there.

[00:01:56]>> Yeah, the skill set. I made errors. Um I don't know how they do it. It's so it's so cool how they do it and they like pack the wires into like little tiny places and they fold it in a certain way and >> yeah, >> it's pretty cool.

[00:02:09]>> That's what I've been doing lately. So, >> you are you wiring your shop?

[00:02:15]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I did all the all the wiring uh and all that. So >> nice. It >> was fun. Lots of fun fun stuff on the shop. So like what are you guys what are you guys doing on the with the podcast anymore? I feel like it's y'all's podcast at this point. Uh we can we can at least update Jeff.

[00:02:37]I don't know if he'll be back ever.

[00:02:40][laughter] >> He's the original host.

[00:02:43]>> Yeah, he's the he's the OG. the only the only OG at this point, >> the sole surviving host. And he's not even a USPSA member and he didn't register for nationals, although he could renew his membership and register before open registration and the next day.

[00:02:57]>> We have three days, I think, uh, >> yeah, this Saturday, I believe, the 16th.

[00:03:01]>> Yep. Yep. We have three days, >> but I think they close early registration the 14th, which is tomorrow.

[00:03:07]>> Oh, I thought it was until they opened up registration.

[00:03:11]>> That could be the case. Uh, I have not registered yet. I sent out a group text to some buddies to see if like anybody was going to go to Factory Nationals and I got zero response from anybody.

[00:03:22]>> You can stay with me.

[00:03:24]>> You're going >> factory gun. Yeah.

[00:03:27]>> Yeah.

[00:03:27]>> I got an Airbnb. You just jump in with jump in with me.

[00:03:30]>> So, you you couldn't you couldn't be bothered to respond to my email, my text message either. That would have been cool.

[00:03:37]>> I don't I don't know what happens with my messages.

[00:03:41]They just get >> um aren't I in that Airbnb or did I just lose my spot?

[00:03:45]>> Yeah, we just kicked potato out.

[00:03:47][laughter] >> Yeah, >> it could be. I don't know there. I know that there was a lot of space in that Airbnb uh in one of them.

[00:03:59]>> But I ran I should not say anything because I don't know who's occupying [snorts] spots.

[00:04:05]>> I think it's you, me, and Kyle right now.

[00:04:07]>> Your own bed, Jay. I might be sleeping on the on the floor or next to the pool outside.

[00:04:13]>> Yeah.

[00:04:14]>> Uh I I mean I am excited that Nationals is back in St. George again. I know Race Gun was there last year, but obviously I didn't shoot Race Gun and so I'm excited for it to be back there. I'm curious to see the how they rebuilt the range. But then St. George area is there's just it's just great part of the country. So >> no, it looks it looks really nice. I'm really excited to not be in Ohio.

[00:04:40]>> Yeah.

[00:04:42]>> Yeah. I think I think everyone will probably be happy about that >> is my guess. So So yeah, I will I'm going to register for nationals. Uh and we'll see if I can go. Um and my my main motivation for going to nationals is that I'm trying to make a world shoot team for 2029.

[00:05:07]and for classic again. And I'm not really worried about having this year's score count. I just want to place high enough that I can guarantee myself a spot at nationals in 2027 cuz I'm worried about be able to get a spot to nationals in 2027. So >> yeah, I mean we got to you had to play the long game in the in all of this.

[00:05:32]There's no you got to plan way ahead.

[00:05:35]>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah, it's crazy.

[00:05:37]>> Well, if you if you do register in Single Sack, you have a 25% chance of getting an earned slot to next year's nationals.

[00:05:46]>> That's That's true.

[00:05:49]>> That is true. Uh so I I just have to shoot good enough to not get booted off the super squad, which I mean that may I don't know who's gonna shoot it this year, so that may not be that difficult.

[00:06:02]I heard single stack was the new division that everybody's going to start shooting now. Like I think that there's 400 people registered in single stack at this match.

[00:06:12]>> I mean, I think it's obvious that everybody wishes they were shooting it.

[00:06:15]They may not like their like their brain may not allow them. Their ego may not allow them to shoot it, but everybody wishes they were shooting it. I can just say that much.

[00:06:26][gasps] Uh the but the other thing that I think really the the biggest news is that Saul has made Grandmaster in production and now he's a double GM.

[00:06:38]>> He's a GM in an iron sight division and an optic division.

[00:06:42]>> Yeah, it's something it's unheard of.

[00:06:44]>> Wow.

[00:06:46]>> Never been done before. [laughter] >> It's never been done.

[00:06:51][snorts] >> Yeah, that's impressive. All I have is single stack. I mean technically >> and you have limited too.

[00:06:58]>> Yeah. But if you're essentially if you're a GM in single stack then you're a GM in single stack L10 and limited because you at least those used to be whenever I whenever I got it. Uh they use the exact same percentages for all three of those divisions for classifier scores. So if you made it in single stack you were they didn't give you the GM unlimited but you >> you were certainly capable. But are you actually are you a GM in limited?

[00:07:26]>> Yeah, >> he is. He is in limited. Not in L10 though.

[00:07:29]>> Not in L10.

[00:07:30]>> Yeah, not L10. I >> I have shot L10 nationals a few few times, but uh that's that would be the only time.

[00:07:39]>> Yeah.

[00:07:39]>> So, uh which I mean Jeremy, you so yeah, you're a double double GM now and only recently many of us became double GMs and this has become the new standard. So that uh like Jeff couldn't even come and join this because he's not a double >> really.

[00:07:57]>> Uh yeah, it's a new standard for being a host of the podcast. Yeah.

[00:08:01]>> Wow. So that year that he spent in production, he never made it that year, huh?

[00:08:05]>> He's just not good enough. Not good enough. Not as good. Not as good of a production shooter as Saul. Obviously, [laughter] obviously, >> you know, there is a slight advantage to shooting production with um the exact same gun that I shoot all of the time in carry optics. There's a a mild advantage.

[00:08:27]>> You kind of just point it and it's just there, right?

[00:08:30]>> A little bit.

[00:08:31]>> Yeah, that's Don't >> tell anybody that.

[00:08:33]>> That's okay. So, that's an interesting question. uh which I don't think this is our main topic at all for tonight but do you feel like having shot with a dot so much that your index is better with iron such that you don't have to think about aiming it since it's the exact same >> oh absolutely it it made shooting the same gun out to about 15 20 yards you just wait a little bit longer to see a little bit more but it always shows up you're not wondering if it's going to show up versus in my brief excursion into single stack on a difficult shot on a little bit of a lean an uncomfortable position I didn't have confidence that the sight would actually show up in between the rear notch and it often didn't at which point I would have to do something to make it show up >> and that takes a lot of time.

[00:09:23]Yeah, that'd be I'd be fascinated in talking to somebody that has trained irons to a dot on the same platform and then dot to irons on the same platform and see if one of them seemed to make the other the transition easier.

[00:09:42]>> Yeah, someone who had done that seriously. I mean, obviously Mason would be a great person to talk to cuz >> swapping back and forth with the same 320, whether it's irons in production or limited and co and and the only difference is the aiming reference moves up about half an inch.

[00:09:58]>> Yeah.

[00:10:00]>> Yeah. That's fascinating. Fascinating.

[00:10:02]>> Obviously Niels too has done plenty of that with the Canic.

[00:10:06]>> Yeah. Yeah. And I mean it took him a while. It took him I mean he'll he'll tell you it took him about a year I think to kind of really get comfortable with that dot uh going from irons to to a an optic and and it took him a while to get used to it. So >> yeah I mean even switching switching guns with dots on them takes time to get used to a new like a whole new thing.

[00:10:31]>> Yeah.

[00:10:31]>> I mean this is this is off the irons topic anymore because I've only shot one match in single stack and I didn't practice. Um, but the >> you practice at the safe table.

[00:10:39]>> I practiced at the safe table. Yeah, that's true for It's pretty good. Uh, >> so Jay, when are you getting your GM in production?

[00:10:48]>> I don't know. I don't have a I I was, as pointed out to me, I don't even own a slide that doesn't have a dot on it. So, uh, >> that was also Jay's first classifier match in seven years when he played at GM in that low and open. So I would guess somewhere around 2033 would be a safe bet for his production.

[00:11:10]>> That production, >> but I think as far like probably the ne I don't know. [clears throat] I think I'll be at three at 3GM for a little while.

[00:11:20]>> I don't think I'm going to do anything else because L10's not exciting to do.

[00:11:24]>> No, that's why you do production.

[00:11:27]>> Yeah, I mean I guess that would be reasonable, but I don't know when I'm going to want to do that, you know?

[00:11:34]I said it on the podcast the other week, but Jeremy may or may not have heard it.

[00:11:38]The cool thing about irons is it makes bad matches interesting because there's a lot of stages that are bad. Like just genuinely boring stages and a lot of classifiers that are kind of boring stages that become more interesting with irons because the targets aren't identical. Because a sevenyard and a 14ard target are two different targets that require different things. And with a dot, they they require nothing different. Like ideally, you're shooting a seven and a 14 yard open more or less identically with a dot. And if you're transitioning to it with irons, you actually have to see something a little bit different if you're interested in getting alphas.

[00:12:16]>> I mean, you're just so much making my point on how irons are just superior than a dot. Like, as far as as far as enjoyment and fun uh and that sort of stuff. If you like a challenge, if you want to hit the easy button, obviously, then you just you shoot a dot and you're looking for the easy button. But if you want to have a challenge that's enjoyable and then you shoot irons.

[00:12:42]>> I mean, thank you for >> Well, it does. And specifically bad matches and like simple stages become not simple stages when there's a lot of depth and variety.

[00:12:51]>> Yeah.

[00:12:52]>> With irons that flattens gets flattened with dots. I mean, obviously the best dot shooters just shoot them better. So it's there's still a skill curve but it gets you know abbreviated.

[00:13:03]>> Yeah.

[00:13:04]>> Yeah. I I don't I don't disagree. So >> uh what was the you had mentioned something before Jeremy that you were you had asked us and I because I want to get to your your podcast topic. Uh >> okay >> because it seems like it could be interesting to talk about.

[00:13:26]>> Yeah. So you you ready now?

[00:13:29]>> I I mean I'm ready. I think we should jump into it because we don't have that much time.

[00:13:33]>> Okay. So I shot I did shoot a match in 26. Yes, I have.

[00:13:39]>> But it was a PRS or an NRL or what?

[00:13:41]>> Yes, it was an NRL hunter match.

[00:13:44]>> Uh so I Yeah, that's probably why I haven't been on the podcast is I have not shot since the World Shoot essentially and I don't have any matches on the schedule. Uh except again maybe nationals and that may would pro if I shoot it would be the only match I shoot. Uh so anyway so there's an inter hunter match that is in Amarillo and it's literally a 35minut drive from me.

[00:14:08]So it's like having a major in your backyard you sleep your own own bed all that sort of stuff and so Hunter has a division that's a teams division and I think this should be USPSA should should look into having some level of teams division. It's It would be It could be cool. Um, but I shot it last year with with my buddy. He's a He's a friend here and he's shot I don't know three or four other matches other than I have. But that's the only interl hunter I match I shot. And I didn't shoot anything before it this year except I think we practiced with 22s the week ahead of time for maybe 30 minutes of practice session with some 22s out of my house. Uh, and then we went and shot. And so we're shooting the match uh this year and my buddy's getting a little bit of frustrated because he just doesn't feel like his like his skill set is either that it's not expressing itself or just hasn't gotten all that better. And he was he was frustrated. We're in like stage eight or nine of that day. We shot 12 one day, eight the next day. It's 20 stages, which sounds like a lot for us, but it's not that much. Uh, and so I'm like, and then so then by stage 10 of day one, he was like, I feel like I should have gotten better today. Why have I not gotten better today? Like, like we've we're we're eight stages in, 10 stages in. Like, I should be getting better. And I'm like, Aaron, that's not how skill progression works. Like, you're not just going to get better the day of at a match. And so it got me to thinking, okay, how when does skill progression happen?

[00:15:52]Like when do you actually get better at skills? Um, so if I'm using this match, that rifle match as a as a basis for my where my theories at, I just wanted to talk to people because I I only have a a semi theory at this point. Last year was the first year I shot that match at all.

[00:16:12]I don't I don't shoot at all until this year. And our our skills from last year to this year were dramatically better.

[00:16:21]Our scores weren't necessarily better, but we were getting through the stages a whole lot better, a whole lot cleaner.

[00:16:25]We were operating much better. Uh and so there was there was definitely a skill progression from last year to this year, even though there wasn't that much practice in between. But my skill level with a rifle and especially that setting is obviously really low. Like I'm not good. I'm not good at that. Uh so so there's some for me there was some level of skill progression that happened a year apart on matches but in between matches there was some sort of skill progression that happened. And so that's kind of my question to you guys who practice and train a lot. When do you find yourself actually getting better at something? Obviously, right now, y'all are both at very high levels. You've done a ton of training. Any sort of skill progression is going to be very, very minuscule at this point. But I'm curious what y'all's thoughts are.

[00:17:21]I I was while you were talking I was imagining you running some wire and you and like you're [laughter] and you're thinking like I wonder when I'm going to be starting to get better at this [laughter] though. I imagine you actually being pretty good at it right away. Uh >> I know and [laughter] >> I'm on about the my third shop build and so it's it's starting to get better at this point.

[00:17:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's not like you practice running wire every day. You just >> No, >> you just So, I mean, this is what I was thinking while you were while you were talking is that you gained even though you didn't train between your first and this most recent uh NRL match, you gained experience >> even without doing it because you've done it and then you've thought about it and then you did another one. Uh, and so I I'm just thinking about it in a form of experience where you just by exposure, especially when you're really new, you get you make huge gains by just going to a match and then coming home and then if you go to a match the next week and you're going to be better. Uh, if you're new. Uh, >> yeah.

[00:18:36]>> And >> I I I don't know though how long that goes on. I mean, I think for some people that that works pretty well and then for some people it you need more intentionality.

[00:18:51]Yeah. I mean, I I know that I couldn't have gone to a match and then not trained at all and gone to another match to even test that out because I wanted to I wanted to practice something to then try and get better at it. So I yeah I I don't know I may I guess there are people who just shoot shoot matches and and do get better very quickly. Uh >> okay so let me let me uh phrase this in a let me phrase this in let me give a different example and phrase this in a different way. So I'll I'll say I think skill progression actually happens between your practices or between matches. So, for example, so I'll I'll use a different example of snow skiing.

[00:19:38]Uh something I do for somebody who lives in Texas, I do it with fair bit of frequency. For somebody who lives in Colorado, not a whole lot. But so I would go snowk skiing and I was trying to learn how to ski mogul better. Like I could get down it, but it it just looked like somebody from Texas just falling down mogul, right? So I was trying to get better. For me, I could start the day skiing mogul and I could ski them all day and I didn't get any better that day. It's just like I just I just my level of suck at the beginning was the same level of suck that there was the end of the day. But then the next day it was like all of a sudden, oh, I put something together. like there was a some some sort of reset, some sort of thinking, some sort of something that happens over having two different periods of time that that gap in it helped it to get better. Uh so I think that's true in shooting as well. I don't necessarily think you you're going to go out and train and that day your skills aren't necessarily going to just get better that day. I think there's going to be something that happens between your practice sessions, between your matches from the the day to the next day that there's some sort of reset in your brain that that's when this the skill progression happens. That's my theory.

[00:21:06]your I mean I think your theory not to take this a different direction but your theory is what the sports psychologists would call consolidation.

[00:21:14]>> Okay.

[00:21:15]>> And they think of consolidation as happening primarily while you're asleep.

[00:21:19]>> Oh interesting.

[00:21:20]>> And so your brain actually forms the new neural pathways that you are trying to sort of excite in the active training phase but you don't consolidate those until you stop the activity. And I think like sometimes in shooting there's a really technical thing where you're like, "Hey, you know, I want to shoot this sequence in this particular way and you can kind of force it by like controlling it, but you can't call upon it as a skill that same day >> and then you come back the next day and it and for whatever reason it's just there.

[00:21:49]>> But for me at least, it's in a scheme is a great example. It helps so much to have a concept >> to to know what it is that su success would look like. And for moguls, you know, I I was taught to ski moguls in the8s style in the 1980s.

[00:22:07]>> Yeah.

[00:22:08]>> And then in the 20 in 2010, I went out to Utah to uh Snowbird, which is pretty cool mountain. And I was skiing with a bunch of like ski bums who like live in Utah and build their right their life around skiing in Utah.

[00:22:22]And after skiing with them for a day, I had that exact experience. is like I went to sleep and the next day I was dramatically better because I I went to sleep with a concept of what it was supposed to look like.

[00:22:35]>> And I think sometimes people can develop that concept autonomously. And then sometimes you you really kind of need to see it. You need to see like what someone doing, you know, performing the skill or sort of giving you that idea of what it would look like for you to do it. And I think the people who progress really fast at shooting are able to kind of do that more autonomously. They're able to sort of look at their own training and [clears throat] develop a concept and sort of consolidate it off the range. And then the the slower learners, we kind of have to grind it out a little bit.

[00:23:10]>> Yeah.

[00:23:10]>> Yeah.

[00:23:12]>> So >> I know Jay's thought about this because what you have a different way of framing it, but >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, my way of framing it is that >> Okay, hold on one second.

[00:23:23]>> You got an echo, right?

[00:23:25]>> Crazy echo off somebody. It sounds like it's coming off potato, maybe, but I don't know.

[00:23:30]>> Is it Is this any better?

[00:23:32]>> Yeah, I still hear it a little bit.

[00:23:35]>> I hear it.

[00:23:37]Yeah, I don't know. I have echo cancellation on on mine, but we can't change that while we're recording.

[00:23:44]Well, >> I feel like it just started though. Um, actually, try uh Potato, try to mute yours. Oh, you did.

[00:23:54]>> Okay, he's Okay, there we go. Potato's muted. So, now we're not getting the echo.

[00:23:59]>> Well, I also just muted myself and now I unmuted myself and I don't hear the echo anymore. So, >> yeah, I think it was I think it was potatoes.

[00:24:07]>> This is riveting, >> man. I I leave I leave for like 6 months and like the quality just goes just goes to crap. Nobody's using headphones.

[00:24:15]Nobody's just >> I don't know. Nobody cares anymore. It's all I'm the only one. I don't have headphones. I don't >> Oh my gosh. Okay. So, let's hear it.

[00:24:24]>> My my my thought with this is that uh like I'm fine to talk about it and it's and it's all like that's all cool, but I don't actually care how it happens.

[00:24:36]>> Okay. Like I just I'm I'm very content just letting it like training and then going to sleep and then training the next day and going to sleep and just doing doing that process and then obviously things you know skills show up. I mean just even the other day I had kind of a rough setup that I was shooting on the move and I couldn't do it what I wanted to do. like I could not put the targets I mean put the hits on target the way I wanted to. And then a couple days later after a dryfire session and then I went out and live fired it again and it was so much easier to then put the hits where I wanted to to put them uh because of this process because of I was subconsciously thinking about what I had been doing. I assume I don't know cuz I don't care but I must have been thinking about it. Uh, and it must have been >> Did you not think about it like consciously as well? Were you not engaged in some other task at work or around the house like running over like what it was you wanted to do?

[00:25:42]>> Yeah, probably. I probably was, but I don't think it was like I think it's just something that that runs. But I I obviously I do think about it uh while I'm doing other tasks, but but I don't know if I I'm sure that the real connection, like you said, is made while while you're sleeping, like the one that actually shows up in skill that you can produce.

[00:26:09]That's I mean, that must be how it how it happens.

[00:26:12]>> So, I I would say I think there's a reason why you should care if if my theory if my theory is right. is here.

[00:26:19]The other thing that I've somewhat observed is well let me back up one second. So like when I was a trumpet player when I in a former life when I did all that uh like I went three years without missing a day of practice, right? Like it it did not matter where I was at I was going to pra I I was going to practice and that was somewhat ingrained that that's what we're I'm supposed to do. Like you're supposed to have that routine that you practice every day and you all that. And I've I kind of brought that over into shooting uh into, you know, it'd be dry fire or if I could go live fire every day, then I would I would try to do that. Um I kind of moved to a place where I could at at the time I could do that. I could certainly dryf fire uh anytime I wanted.

[00:27:04]But what I what I'm curious about is sometimes if you're doing that thing every day and you're never taking breaks, then you're never getting like you're your brain's never getting that time to actually process, right?

[00:27:21]>> Uh that you're so then you end up you end up in a rut, right? and you're trying to do the thing and you just can't you can't do the thing and it almost doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like there's any amount of effort or any amount of thinking about it or trying to do it will allow you to do the thing or not do the thing whichever whichever it is. Uh and so I'm I'm wondering if if there's not more value in sometime maybe you take a week off, right? like maybe even maybe like middle of the season, maybe even close to a a major or something, right? Like I I don't think somebody like Jay or somebody like Potato. Uh I don't think a week you're going to develop so much rust that all of a sudden you can't you can't perform anymore, right? We all went to the World Shoot and we basically didn't do anything for a week. Uh and Jay shot an incredibly high level uh at the World Shoot. Jeff shot an incredibly high level at the World Shoot. So, I think there's maybe there's maybe there's something to that and that if you're stuck in a rut that maybe you do need to put put the gun away, put the not go to the range for not try to just bust through a wall.

[00:28:35]>> I know. I I mean, from talking to people and and in some ways experiencing it myself for sure, I think that makes sense where if you are so frustrated, you're like, why I'm like doing this thing, I'm training really hard, I'm not getting better.

[00:28:50]uh like may like that that may be a good idea to just be like hey why do you have to stick to your daily thing? Why do you have you don't have to do that like take a moment here and just let it let it be kind of like that fun learning process that that you started with. Uh, >> yeah. And that's and I think so for me, I would I would struggle to do that because I would feel like I'm being lazy or I'm I'm not putting the effort in that I need to, right? It's kind of like runners. You have to take You have to do slow runs, >> right?

[00:29:26]>> You got to do it.

[00:29:27]>> You got to do the slow runs. I don't I don't do the slow runs. Uh but so I'm not a good runner, but like like runners ha you have to do those what do they call them? Zone two runs. like you got to do those runs. Maybe when you get to a certain level in shooting and you had certain amount of time in it that maybe you need to have those days where you you either don't shoot or you shoot a rifle or or just something completely different like you just put it away for a week and that's not being lazy. That's actually being proactive in getting better.

[00:30:02]I mean it I know because during the you know after world shoot like I dramatically reduced my training >> uh and I know for me if I do that I am I'm saving I am allowing myself to stay in this sport for longer.

[00:30:20]>> Yeah >> for many different reasons. uh obviously financially and >> uh but also kind of like that that emotional aspect where I'm not so involved so intensely for every single day. Uh [snorts] and even even this year like I'm treating it a little bit differently where I'm going to allow myself to to somewhat cram for certain matches where I'm not going to I'm not going to be consistently live firing all the time. Uh, and even though it's really fun to live fire, so I'm saying this out loud like stop live firing kind of. [laughter] >> How many times have you live fired this week? Be honest. Jay, >> I think three times, [laughter] >> what day of the week is it? Are we counting the week from Sunday?

[00:31:10]>> I don't know.

[00:31:11]>> Yeah, it's it's already it's early in the week. So, I I'm I've got one more I can go out one more time this week.

[00:31:20]So I mean world shoot is also such an exceptional circumstance and and it sets kind of the bar for preparation at a unsustainable and unreasonable level.

[00:31:31]And I mean I can say with some conviction I would have shot better and probably had more fun shooting at World Shoot if I had trained less last year. Like, but I didn't want to go there, perform at whatever level I perform at, and wonder like how could a, you know, how well could I have done if I had shot more rounds? So, I just removed that question.

[00:32:01]>> Yeah.

[00:32:02]>> And I said, you can train as much as you want and you can shoot way more rounds than I ever have and likely ever will in a year. And I did like by a considerable margin. Almost twice as many rounds fired last year as any other year. Um, and so I removed that. And so I know that my performance wasn't handicapped by a lack of investment of time and money. You know, my performance was handicapped by it was gated by my skill and like by my mental preparation and and by my the intentionality and quality of my training, which is fine, which is kind of what I wanted, >> but I know half the volume.

[00:32:40]>> Yeah. I mean, it was a [clears throat] really nice place and I was staying with cool people and so it was the best vacation I've taken as an adult. So, it's kind of hard to right like I I love that experience. I will treasure that experience. It still feels very close.

[00:32:51]It was like seven, eight months ago and it still feels very very close. Like lots of things that have happened in my life feel less real >> than that. And that was quite a while ago. Um >> yeah.

[00:33:01]>> So, no, no regrets about that. But I didn't want to go to that match wondering like, hey, if you had if you had spent the time to shoot another 10,000 rounds, could you have done better? And the answer is no. Like, I shot those 10,000 rounds and it didn't affect my outcome. um like my sort of performance peak historically at shooting is right now in the past and hopefully in the future. Um but it wasn't at world two. Like that was not the best I've ever shot. Um and it wasn't for lack of training. So I'm glad I did that. But if I were going to do something like that again, I would adopt a different approach because I already know that that sheer volume for me is not um not the barrier.

[00:33:41]>> Yeah. I mean sheer volume is not keeping me from or if I add more volume I will that will that alone will not solve the things I'm trying to solve.

[00:33:52]It's just not going to that's not going to do it. Like I'm trying to do things that are a little bit different than that. Uh if I wanted to have fun shoot and shoot a lot I could. But also I don't really want to pick up that much brass either. So I I think for guys like you, if you wanted to add volume, you have to be trying to solve a different thing, right? Like like you like you have the things that you're trying to solve now. You have would have to commit yourself to, okay, I'm adding this much more ammo, this much more lifi or whatever. I cannot keep trying to I can't use that ammo to solve this. I have to use it to solve something else.

[00:34:30]Maybe it's just shooting faster. I don't I don't know. I have no idea what it' be. shoot faster splits, right? Like just this just >> more walls. He needs to shoot more walls. If he destroys his walls on the home range because he's so eager to shoot on entry, >> then that would be good volume.

[00:34:46]>> So yeah, and I I think the man I'm talking about my trumpet days a lot. The goal of practicing the goal of training is to remove all excuses, right? Like that is that is your goal when you're training is so that come the day that you're supposed to perform, you have zero excuses. If you have an excuse, you didn't train as well as you should have, >> right? Like that's that that's just the that's just the the reality of it. If you're if you're wanting to win, right?

[00:35:17]if you're wanting to win. I know the World Shoot is an example where everybody that I know that was going was giving everything that they could give to get ready for it, right? That's kind of the Now people different people have different things to give for it. So, but maybe one of those excuses is I I burned out. I trained too hard. I I didn't give myself any space to to consolidate those gains as as potato says the sports psychologist says. Um so I don't know. I I think that's kind of fascinating. Uh I have a seven-year-old who's like entering he's he's in the playoffs in soccer in his wreck league soccer. He had a game a couple nights ago and like they tied in their regular period. So they had normally in the regular season you would just leave it as a tie and so then they they had to have an extra period. Dude, that was tense, man. Like it was this is this is wreck league soccer, right? It's my sevenyear-old and it was it was tense. Uh just having a game that that was that close. It was a lot of fun. Um, so but but these are the things that I have to start trying to figure out as I'm going to be coaching him through learning skills, learning new stuff, uh, picking up this different stuff is, okay, how am I going to try to teach him to to get these new skills and how how how are they gonna come about?

[00:36:51]>> Yeah. I mean, I love the like I got really into many things when I was younger. Um but [laughter] >> but one of them was like like uh you know like hacky sack like a skill with that you're bouncing a ball off your off your feet and this I guess it's similar to soccer in a way like I mean I can kind of do that a dribble a little bit with the soccer ball with but anyway the uh that whole phase of that learning was so exciting the entire time that there wasn't like there wasn't that external pressure to try to hold yourself to like well I'm going to practice this every day for like this amount of time. It was like, "Oh, school's over. I think like, you know, like, uh, maybe I'll mess around with this a little bit." And then, you know, 3 hours later, you're like, "I guess I should eat food." And then you go and eat food. And then you go back to school and you play hacky sack with your friends. And then maybe the next day you don't do anything at all because you were uh out doing something some other event or or whatever it is. And then and then this consolidating is happening without the pressure that you've put on yourself to force it to happen.

[00:38:12]>> Yeah.

[00:38:12]>> Uh and I I >> You didn't have a timeline for getting really good at hackysack, right? You weren't trying to >> accelerate your learning. It was just intrinsically fun.

[00:38:24]>> It's just Yeah. So much fun. You modify your shoes a certain way. Then you go watch some YouTube videos. You send it to your friend of this guy doing a really cool trick. And then you try to do the really cool trick. You're like, "Can't do that right now." But then you, you know, like I the whole thing is just very fun. And so I I have had to remind myself about that in shooting a lot and and take some pressure off of it. But it's it's difficult. The more you get invested in this, the more podcasts that you host, you know, [laughter] >> the pressure >> pressure, man.

[00:38:58]>> Or really fail to host, you know, people just get so cranky when you don't put out an episode, you know.

[00:39:03]>> They [laughter] do. They do.

[00:39:06]>> It's warranty.

[00:39:07]>> I mean, I walk onto a range and nobody recognizes my voice anymore from two bays away.

[00:39:12]>> Wow. That's Yeah, I'll be like a newbie whenever I show up to a USPSA match again. Uh, and I I think it's I think it's probably fair to say for the most part, this really isn't all that relevant for the person that's in their first two, maybe even three years in the sport, right? Because everything's everything's new enough at that point.

[00:39:31]You have enough new experiences that you really are like you're processing stuff, your gains are happening. Um, you have more gains to make. It's kind of it's kind of this person that you've been in the sport for three, four, maybe five years, which is when most people quit, right? Like you kind of hit your peak around that four or five. You're making GM, you're competing at nationals. Uh just we're talking average people. Uh and that's when I think it just it becomes a lot harder.

[00:40:03]>> It become Yeah, for sure. I mean, you have to then protect yourself from from burning out. I mean, like at this point, we've gone to all of the level matches that we could possibly go to, >> right?

[00:40:11]>> I mean, we've shot everything. Not I mean, there obviously way more matches to shoot and there's some really amazing matches. Saul's going to go to go to one of them uh in a month or so.

[00:40:22]>> Are you going to Europeans?

[00:40:24]>> I am.

[00:40:25]>> Oh, awesome.

[00:40:26]>> So, this is like one of that's one of those matches, but like as far as the things to do, we have done most of them.

[00:40:34]Uh and and so then the this stuff becomes really important.

[00:40:40]>> Yeah.

[00:40:42]>> And I don't know if either of you guys did this, but there's even specific skills in shooting that I put on the shelf at a certain point because they just seem very hard. And [snorts] so it's like I started doing them, I didn't make any progress, so I just put them on the shelf. And it's like I'll come back to that later. And so this year I'm coming back to some of those. like maybe, you know, maybe I should have learned these seven or eight or nine years ago, but I'm learning them now.

[00:41:07]Um, and they are really hard and they're mostly fundamentals related, but um it's I got to a certain point where it's like the results were good enough with what I had that I focused on other things.

[00:41:21]And right now, like at this exact moment, I'm getting really curious about those things that I decided were too hard. And so I worked on other things that seemed more rewarding and now I'm going back and trying to fill in some of those gaps or things that seem too hard.

[00:41:36]And shooting on the move is actually one of them. It's like you get to a certain level where it's like good enough and you're like, "Oh, this is good enough."

[00:41:42]And then I see somebody who's really inspiring who shoots on the move super well and it's like, "Oh, that's a learnable skill." Like I can walk around in my downstairs and hold an Azone for free, right? Like I don't even have to spend that long. I can do it with sort of a full strength grip for seven or eight minutes and then leave it alone for a couple days and come back to it and get better at it. That's an achievable skill. It just seemed hard at the time.

[00:42:07]>> Yeah.

[00:42:09]>> Well, when you came into the sport, uh, shooting on the move wasn't as popular as it is now with with the the how many dots are in the game. Like that really changed how people viewed shooting on the move. Yeah, it was kind of a top- edge skill that you could sort of whip out to connect a couple of positions in a couple of places, but a lot of times you'd have pretty clearly defined positions. It was more about shooting on entry and exit and less of like walking and shooting. And there's a lot of walking and shooting even in low cap divisions now. Just the stages reward continuous motion.

[00:42:46]>> Yeah.

[00:42:50]>> Well, that's cool. Uh Yeah, I I was hoping y'all I was kind of halfway hoping y'all were going to say, "Jeremy, you're kind of an idiot. That's just wrong." Uh, I'd get better.

[00:43:00]>> No, you just stay on the range. Just keep working. If you can't do it, try harder.

[00:43:04]>> Yeah. And whatever.

[00:43:06]>> Whatever you do, don't you dare go to sleep. You need to stay up all night and try practice the skills >> until until you fix it. No sleep. No sleep until victory. [laughter] >> Oh, that's great.

[00:43:19]>> You missed the last 17. The 18th will be the one.

[00:43:22]>> [laughter] >> Oh man. All right. Well, what else is new with you guys? I haven't talked to I haven't hardly talked to you guys in a while. This is for this is bonus content. You people that are worried about >> Yeah, people can >> people can you you only reason you want to stick around now is for the sound effect at the end. Um that's right. And then other than that, you could just skip to the end of the podcast this point. [laughter] >> Uh we should probably get a shop update.

[00:43:50]Yeah, we we do need a shop update because you >> because no one has any idea about that who are listening, you know, I mean you posted some stuff.

[00:44:00]>> So, okay. So, where I've been is I mean I talked about this because I was building the shop before World Shoot and then all that. So, that's what I've been doing. I simply after the World Shoot, I could not justify spending any time shooting because I needed to get the shop built and get equipment in it. So, the shop is is built. Uh, got it all finished out, all electrical work in, the walls up, walls painted, all that sort of good stuff done. Uh, got I took an part of my old shop, turned it into an office. Uh, and that's pretty cool. I got a desk built for that. Um, like this last week was is going to be freaking Well, it is freaking hot this week. So, I I had some mini splits that I had on hand. I just hadn't installed them yet.

[00:44:43]So, I've been installing mini splits.

[00:44:45]So, I'm in this weird space uh on the shop of like I have to lots I have so much different stuff to do. It's like, okay, what fire am I putting out today?

[00:44:55]And it's like, okay, go work on learning uh fusion CAD drawing. Go work on doing that for a little bit. Okay, now go work on your HVAC for a little bit. Now, go work on your airlines for a little bit.

[00:45:08]Uh those that don't know, I I bought a used HOS VM2. Um, so go work on learning those hos controls and cleaning that machine up because uh like I like I overpaid for a used machine that was in way worse shape than I thought it was going to be in. Um, and so like it's just a massive amount of cleaning. It is running now. So like I got my phase converter in. I got the hot strap out. Got everything hooked up. So I it the spindle turns. So, that's that's good. Uh, we have some other stuff we got to get going on it so I can start cutting stuff and making stuff. I still feel like I'm a couple months out from being able to make uh like make grips, which will be kind of the first thing that I'm that I'm making. Um, I've been having a lot of fun with CAD. Uh, like I'm doing all sorts of tutorials on that from YouTube. There's tons of stuff to learn it. Uh, right now I'm using Fusion. I may go to Rhino, but we're using Fusion for right now. Um, and I've been able to I need to post some pictures. I've been able to 3D print. I have a I've had a 3D printer, but I've been able to like I have a air filter and air regulator for my compressor, a new one that's a bigger one. Uh, and you buy these things. Well, they don't come with ways to mount them. They're just It's just an air regulator and air filter. Uh, well, okay. I needed a way to mount it. I went on there was like $78 for a mounting bracket from Milton to mount it. I'm like that's stupid. I found a cheaper one on Amazon for cheaper, but it was going to take a couple days to get there. So, okay, let's see if we can use our skills on Fusion, our new new skills on Fusion and design a part and 3D print one that'll a bracket that'll work. And I was able to.

[00:46:56]So, that was that was cool to be able to to immediately do that for that. And there's been a few other things that I've made like 3D printed that I've made like design on Fusion, go in make the part uh and then make it and it and it works. So that's that's cool. Like that's exciting. Like I actually really really enjoy that that part of it.

[00:47:16]That's satisfying.

[00:47:17]>> Oh, the whole life cycle, right? That you go from concept to design to production to function.

[00:47:23]>> Yeah.

[00:47:24]>> Yeah. It's awesome. It's really satisfying. Uh, I don't want to go into uh HVAC work. Like I I don't enjoy that stuff. Like I feel quite confident in installing a minlit at this point. Um because I had four different units to install and so I feel pretty confident I can install minlit. So I guess if this whole thing doesn't work out, I could probably go do that and make a make a living if I had to. Um yeah, electrical.

[00:47:51]Electrical is kind of fun.

[00:47:53]>> Like it's it's a little fun.

[00:47:55]>> It's a little bit fun. Um, but I just don't let I just don't show my buddy Poji pictures of my work cuz then he like he's like, "Yeah, you're going to burn your shop down." It's like, "Well, we'll just let I just won't know about it. It's fine."

[00:48:09]>> I mean, 50 years people installed electric by themselves >> and most of those houses are still standing.

[00:48:15]>> Yeah, >> most of them will be just fine. Uh, I did have like look over the work, but >> at some point when you're pulling wires, like wiring up like 110, just simple 110 220 stuff, >> just don't overload a circuit and make sure that you have appropriate wires for the appropriate motor that you're going to run it on and appropriate breakers and it's fine. Like that's >> Yeah. Like the like the errors will should show themselves in a safe way if you mess something up.

[00:48:43]>> Yeah.

[00:48:44]>> You'll be like, "Oh, well that breaker keeps on getting thrown. I guess it's for this reason.

[00:48:49]>> Yeah.

[00:48:50]>> Plugged everything because everything's plugged into this circuit.

[00:48:53]>> Yeah. Yep.

[00:48:55]>> Uh >> and so there's a realistic possibility in 2027 I'll be able to order uh an aluminum 2011 grip from you.

[00:49:03]>> Not I right now 2011 grips are not on my bingo card at the moment. Um >> they were on mine. H >> 1911 grips. Look, Henning Henning has I mean I I gave a little bit of guidance to Henning on his his grip, but I mean he's the machine that he has to be able to crank out a grip. Like you're not going to buy a more accurate mill. Like it it is like the top of the top. Like it is as good as you're going to get.

[00:49:32]The grip that he's coming out with is awesome. Uh and he's making it in steel now. Like it was he came out first with aluminum. He now has it in steel. And yeah, those grips are awesome. I if I wanted a something different in a grip, I would just ask Kenning to, hey, can you modify this? Um, so I don't I don't foresee myself going the 2011 grip route. 1911 grips. Yeah, we'll we'll be doing those for a while. I have a lot of other stuff. Uh, I kind of want to do some tools, some tooling like that I use in class. Those aren't going to be huge sellers, I don't think. But I mean, every 911 part out there, like I could I feel like I could tweak almost everything that's available commercially and and make a better product for a part that's going to go into a 1911 or a 2011. Um, so that's it's cool that I'm getting the equipment and the knowledge base to potentially be able to make those things. Um, so I'm really looking forward to that. I will be coming out with an optic plate at some point. So 2027, you may be able to get an optic plate and an optic cut from me by then.

[00:50:46]Um, so that's that is very high on my priority list to get done. Uh, the grips are probably >> So I have these steel grip 2011s and the meta is now aluminum grip 2011. So you know, I got to throw away my steel grips.

[00:51:01]>> Whoa, whoa, whoa. Have I been out of the Have I been out of the game so long that everybody >> aluminum?

[00:51:07]>> Everybody wants those 42 ounce 2011s and no more 56 ounce 2011s.

[00:51:12]>> Yeah, 42 ounces is the perfect weight for a competition pistol.

[00:51:18]>> Man, I have been out of it.

[00:51:21]>> You still want slide cuts and a sight block.

[00:51:26]Okay. So, >> and we need IPSC legal sight blocks because the problem you need the rifling to extend through the sight block.

[00:51:34]>> The conventional sight block that manufacturers make in the US is not IPSC optics legal.

[00:51:40]>> So, you actually want a barrel that that nestles inside the sight block.

[00:51:46]>> You want to cut back the slide, install a sight block where the rifling extends the entire length.

[00:51:53]I mean, just >> which will be almost like uh who used to have those like one piece was that Phoenix Trinity had like the weird one piece barrels.

[00:52:03]>> Uh I didn't I don't remember Phoenix Trinity ever producing a barrel, but Yeah. I mean, they were out there, but I mean, take a 6-in barrel, thread it, and put a block on it and and blend that to the shape of the slide, right?

[00:52:16]>> Yeah. But but nobody's doing that yet for IPSC. And so all of these sight block guns that are limited optics legal are not IPS-C legal. So there's a niche right there.

[00:52:27]>> Why can't Is it that hard to shoot a 9 millimeter? Like is it that hard to control that recoil? We got to have freaking sight blocks on 2011s.

[00:52:38]>> It's very hard.

[00:52:39]>> Oh my gosh. [laughter] You people look if >> Well, you got to understand my 131 power factor ammo.

[00:52:49]>> Yeah.

[00:52:49]>> Is >> if if you're out there >> kind of a mighty beast.

[00:52:54]>> I need a 2011 with a sight block in order for me to be able to be competitive and to control this. Look, you need to look. That's not where the skill building is happening. [laughter] >> I think if I slept on that site block though, I might wake up.

[00:53:10]>> Oh my gosh. We we know this to be true that everybody I mean people love gear.

[00:53:18]It's all they care about.

[00:53:19]>> Yeah. And I I love that too.

[00:53:22]>> Yeah. I mean like I I'm not immune. Um [laughter] but >> Well, you've been vaccinated.

[00:53:29]>> That's true.

[00:53:31]>> That's right. [laughter] Uh, the only other thing that's going on, the only other thing that has made money for me, this is the other thing I'm trying to balance in with all this is trying to do something that makes money because I haven't made any money since basically before the world shoot is I did have a class of night 11 build class in March. Uh, so that was I was able to make some money there. I have another one in November, no October. Uh, I just announced it, but it actually is currently as of right now it is full.

[00:54:01]So, >> dang it. those classes are up and going and they're doing well. Um, and I may >> Can people wait list themselves?

[00:54:08]>> Yeah. So, if you want if you want or can want to get in on those classes, send me an email read [email protected] uh and I can just put you on the notification list. I it's I simply do it. I have a list of people that say they want to come to the class. Um, and when I get confirmation that they they want a notification, then when I send out an announcement for a class, everybody gets that email and it becomes a first come, first serve. Uh, just because that's man, it's the only it's not it's not completely fair to everyone, but it's also it's about the only fair way that I can do it rather than just going sending out six invitations. Okay, three of you didn't respond at all. and then go down in the next like I don't have time to to sit and send those notifications out. It would take me two months to fill a class that way.

[00:55:00]>> Can you >> Will you let people build on a Tesos frame yet?

[00:55:03]>> Uh no, we build on Gem. They're out of Texas, uh Georgetown. Uh they're GE frames and slides. They actually have my name on them. Uh but Gem is is producing them uh for me. So, we're going to do stainless. He has stainless now. So, we're going to do stainless in this next class. most likely, which would be cool.

[00:55:27]>> Seems pretty cool.

[00:55:28]>> Yeah, I may have an invitation only class in the winter of 27. So, that could be that could be fun. Um, that will be for we'll put very special people in that class that will probably need lots of special attention and attention. So, for that class, if you're interested in joining it, please DM Jay Beiel, uh, JClay 94 on Instagram.

[00:55:53]>> Yes. If you want the special invitationon class, yes, all your inquiries should go to Jay. That's correct.

[00:56:00]>> Oh, no. Oh, no.

[00:56:03][laughter] >> Yeah.

[00:56:04]>> I mean, it would be it would be super cool to to build a gun. Um, >> yeah. And you need to own a 1911 and 45 >> if you're and you don't.

[00:56:16]than he needed to.

[00:56:17]>> I mean, after my experience shooting Saws 45 >> and that like the experience whenever you shoot one that you built is so drastically cooler than just one that you bought.

[00:56:29]>> I can only just barely imagine that experience. I I It's got to be so cool.

[00:56:36]>> And >> well, I did I did bend the sear spring and fit a safety, so it's pretty much the same thing. You basically built it.

[00:56:43]Yeah. Uh yeah, I mean that that the other beauty is that you get six days of like you do nothing but just I yell at you for six days for your incompetence.

[00:56:54]Uh and that's pretty much priceless. I mean, yeah, you get a gun at the end, but but to have that experience, >> incredible.

[00:57:01]>> Yeah, it's fun. It's almost like It's almost like being back at Stony Hill.

[00:57:05]It's almost that same same level of experience.

[00:57:09]>> Do you provide meat?

[00:57:11]>> Yeah. How how far is the nearest nil guy?

[00:57:15]>> Uh a nil guy. You could go to South Texas and you could get a nil guy. Uh but but we're probably talking I think the closest might be 8 to 10 hours.

[00:57:25]>> That's going to be hard to fit in with a build class.

[00:57:28]>> Hunting hunting with the other than maybe prairie dogs. Hunting would be tough tough to get in.

[00:57:35]>> And you probably don't use the 1911 for the prairie dogs.

[00:57:38]>> No, but so I >> But if you had a sight block >> No. No, no. So, okay. Okay. This is we're we'll it's it's going to become a publicly announced here first. So, I was up uh with Bob in Grand Junction the other day.

[00:57:53]>> Uh and uh we went out to a place and we happened to shoot some prairie dogs. Um and of course we're shooting like a 6 PPC, right? Uh is what we're using mostly. And yeah, it just kind of hydrostatically vaporizes those things.

[00:58:10]When you have a 55 grain V-Max going 35 Yeah, that one the PPC is going 3500 foot a second. Like they just kind of come apart. But then you you're driving around, you see a bunch and they're like 30 yards away. They're like inside 50 yards. Well, that's shooting that with a rifle is not not nearly so much fun. So, we have hatched I have hatched the idea that we're going to come up with a 6 millimeter JR. Okay. So, I'm going to try to get one of these barrel manufacturers that like rifle barrels and just, hey, give me a barrel blank and I want to send that to a 1911 barrel manufacturer and cut all the exterior dimensions of a 1911 into that barrel blank. Okay. Then I'm going to take a 38 super case. I might have to go to 9 by 21, but I'm going to take that case and neck it down to a 6 millimeter. So, we'll have a bottlenecked 6 millimeter that I should be able to run 38 super magazines. All I got to do is change out the barrel and maybe a recoil spring just depending on how much. And I got to figure a 55 grain V-Max in a super case or a 9 by 21 case. We got to be be able to get close to like 2500 feet a second out of one of So, you just recreated the 57.

[00:59:27]>> Yeah, but the 57 is a way smaller cartridge.

[00:59:30]>> It is, but if you really wanted to have fun with it, don't build it on 38 Super.

[00:59:35]Build it on 9x25 Dylan.

[00:59:38]>> Yeah. So, taper that down a little bit further.

[00:59:40]>> You're going to shrink you're going to shrink the length, right? So, I want it to be able to function fine in 38 Super magazines so that all I have to do is change the barrel out and just use an existing 1911. Uh but I mean >> and send 38 grainers or 40 grainers at 2500 ft per second.

[00:59:59]>> Yeah. I Yeah, I don't that would be an experiment now. I don't know how it's going to feed. I don't know how hard you're going to have to crimp that bullet to it. It it it would it's just going to be a fun experiment. At some point when I have time, which means I will have to have been profitable at something else in order to have time.

[01:00:18][laughter] I'm going to make one of those barrels one way the other. I'm going to make one of those barrels. And >> please model the exterior dimensions on like a hard baller on like a 6 in like AMT hard baller.

[01:00:32]>> Oh gosh. I mean, it'll just go into one of my like compet Well, it would go into something that has a dot on it cuz I wouldn't be able to have a dot. Uh so it just go into probably my 2011.

[01:00:45]>> Really? You're going to do a dot and not a frame mount with like a four power?

[01:00:50]Well, the the idea is not that I build an entire new gun just for the 6JR to not work.

[01:00:58]>> So, are you saying that you couldn't tap one of your frames for a frame mount?

[01:01:03]>> Okay. So, you're you're on to something here in that uh again whenever I get more time. My wife used to shoot. She enjoys shooting. never like she wasn't ever like a like high competitor or anything like that, but she enjoyed shooting. Well, we had kids uh and that just kind of that interest just wasn't there. Well, I had built her a 1911, which is fine, but for somebody who's not practicing a lot, like this was way before L or CO was a thing when she was shooting. This is we're going back like 10 years. Um, so I'm going to I'm going to build her.

[01:01:41]It's one of my future personal projects.

[01:01:44]One of my more going to come up sooner.

[01:01:47]Personal projects going to come up sooner. I'm going to build her an LO gun, but it's going to pro I'm probably going to it's probably just going to be an open gun, but for with minor ammo, I'll probably put a couple poppel hoes in it. And may I may just put a freaking frame mounted dot on there. So the dot that's what Bob told me. put a frame mounted dot on there so that she can just go shoot. Who cares what division she's in? I don't want a like a genuine open gun, but just shoot 9 mm minor and it just be fun and easy for her to go shoot so that she doesn't have to train. She can just go shoot, get through a stage, go shoot a match, have fun, go home, not worry about it.

[01:02:27]Uh, so that if I build that gun then yes, then I could have a gun with a frame mounted dot uh that I could do that with >> to drop your 6 millimeter JR >> to drop 6JR barrel in it. Yeah, >> it could it's I think it's going to be great. It's going to take off. There's going to be tens of people that want to go shoot Prairie Dogs with a 6JR. It'll be awesome >> at least.

[01:02:50]>> Actually, you probably could sell 30 of those.

[01:02:53]>> I bet you could if if you can make it so that they can just put it in a 1911.

[01:02:56]they already have, right? They don't have to build a whole new gun for it.

[01:03:00]Then, yeah, I I think you could probably do pretty decent. I might even know somebody they could send the like a gun to and I could fit a barrel to it >> if I had those barrels.

[01:03:13]>> You just got to get those barrels.

[01:03:15]>> Just got to get those barrels. And no, now then the other problem is it's not just barrels. You got to get the barrels. You got to get a reamer made.

[01:03:22]Uh so, custom reamer is not that hard, but then you got to make dice, right? So I have I have to I have to produce dyes.

[01:03:28]So I have to have several reamers made.

[01:03:31]One for a chamber reamer, then one for a bullet reamer. Uh then you would have to custom make some dyes um to be able to function to be able to you'd have to fire form your you have to form your brass, right? So that that would be another thing that would probably keep a lot of people from wanting to do it.

[01:03:46]Unless I found an ammo company that would make make that it'll be fun for me. I don't really like it. It's simply It's simply uh can can I do it? That's that's it. I don't there's no >> And and you're now set up at a spot where you can wild cat a cartridge, which is pretty cool.

[01:04:05]>> Yeah. I mean, like it would Well, I don't know if I am, but it would be it it's going to be fun to try.

[01:04:11]Uh and Bob's going to be he's going to be getting his shop set up and so I may have to just have him like chamber it, make the dies. He's going to be the la expert. Let him be the la expert. I'll do all the machining, the milling and that sort of stuff. And uh it'll be it'll be a fun project. It won't it will cost us lots of money and we will never make the money back, but it'll be a fun project.

[01:04:34]Never know, maybe it'll take off. So, the other thing like can you imagine like seeing what a 55 grain bullet going 3500 foot a second does to a prairie dog. I somewhat can only imagine from a defensive round like that's I wouldn't want to get shot with it. Like the only way like I feel like it may actually be less lethal but stop a fight sooner.

[01:05:00]Like it's going to do it's going to do traumatic damage. Like if you if you hit somebody, it's going to be traumatic damage enough that's gonna just make them like just quit. That's that's a theory. Like they're just gonna quit.

[01:05:10]they're going to stop doing whatever they're doing cuz it's not like it's just going to poke a hole. It's going to it's going to incinerate a small area.

[01:05:17]And yeah, it may not kill them, which is good. We don't I'm not trying to kill anybody. I want to stop a fight. Right.

[01:05:23]If somebody's doing something that you need to stop the fight for.

[01:05:27]>> Here's the question.

[01:05:28]>> Like two kids at a playground or >> uh No, [laughter] I I wasn't I wasn't going that I wasn't going to minor. Uh not that direction.

[01:05:36]>> Sorry. Jeremy Reed is out here stopping fights and I'm getting scared. No, no, no. [laughter] >> No bullying allowed.

[01:05:46]>> No bullying. No bullying on the playground.

[01:05:49]>> I mean, let's So, what if you had this you What if you're holding a baby in one arm?

[01:05:55]>> Yeah.

[01:05:55]>> And you've got [laughter] >> This is a call back that Jeremy may not get.

[01:05:59]>> Yeah. I don't know if you listen to this podcast. It was a while ago. It was with Jed.

[01:06:04]>> Okay. I think I listened to all those.

[01:06:07]Let's see. You're hold you're holding a baby. I actually don't even know what Jed's stance was. He was he saying you would drop the baby.

[01:06:16]>> No, he was saying would you Yeah, he was saying cuz he doesn't believe oneanded shooting.

[01:06:22]>> Yeah, he's like I don't like >> think it's a silly skills test that doesn't belong in practical shooting.

[01:06:26]>> Oh, like a stage where you had to hold like a a baby doll as if you were protecting a baby.

[01:06:32]>> He was talking about like holding a human baby. He's like, "Yeah, I would never shoot a gun one-handed. There's no context where shooting a gun one-handed makes sense. If I was holding my baby, I would drop my baby, draw my gun, and shoot it normally."

[01:06:46]>> And I was I was making the argument that I think I'm probably just going to I'm probably going to hang on to the baby.

[01:06:53]I don't think I'm going to drop the baby. We have to >> It's hard to run away holding a baby that you have dropped. You have to stop and retrieve it.

[01:07:03]This is a this is a fascinating scenario that I mean obviously like I've I've thought of it but maybe not necessarily in this quiet area.

[01:07:09]>> Now you have to imagine that also you have your frame mounted uh new blaster that you've just made >> 6J. Yeah, the 6JR.

[01:07:18]>> Yep.

[01:07:19]>> You've got that. It's in one hand. You got a baby in the other hand. And if you and since you're in the firearms industry, you know, the moment you make this, >> some lunatic will demand a rifle chambered in it.

[01:07:32]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:07:34]>> Cuz they always do.

[01:07:36]>> Yeah.

[01:07:36]>> It's like, "Hey, there's a new pistol cartridge." It's like, "Oh, can we make a single shot rifle chambered in that?"

[01:07:40]>> Yeah.

[01:07:41]>> It's like, >> absolutely.

[01:07:42]>> Yeah. Cuz the world is short. 6 millm rifle cartridges.

[01:07:45]>> Yeah. It would work.

[01:07:46]>> We need We need them to feed from 1911 Max.

[01:07:49]>> Yeah.

[01:07:50]>> Oh, that's great. [laughter] Uh, you know, I mean, babies are resilient, right? Like they can fall from a pretty good height and like, you know, they're they're pliable. Like, they're going to survive. So, >> yeah.

[01:08:03]>> I mean, if you thought you'd be way more effective with two hands on the gun, then maybe. But, Potato's right. If you think you're going to have to flee, if you think you have to like if it's a >> you got to get you got to go back for the baby, >> then yeah, that's a problem. You don't want to have to bend down. You have to take your eyes off your thread at that point. You don't.

[01:08:20]>> And then normally you're better off just eating the penalty if you've got to go back to retrieve a a stage prop, the time is almost never worth it.

[01:08:28][laughter] >> There's that, too.

[01:08:30]>> I Yeah, 100%.

[01:08:34]>> Having collected like five procedurals over my shooting career for dropped props.

[01:08:39]>> Yeah. The the clipboard >> uh the beerstein in in uh IPC Nationals that rolled off the table. I set it down gently. The table wasn't level. I should have armed to that stage.

[01:08:53]>> Yeah. I hate I hate things like that where you have to set something down and it's >> I set that mug down so carefully.

[01:09:00]>> So carefully.

[01:09:01]>> If anyone's seen me in real life, I spill my drinks pretty much every day.

[01:09:05]Most of my shirts are covered with coffee stains. Like I don't know why you should penalize them in my hobby for living my life.

[01:09:12]>> What I love is that the audience has now gotten like the last 20 minutes. They've gotten a glimpse of what 10 days in South Africa, like our conversations were like for almost 10 days, minus hit factor darts and uh some little arm wrestling competitions. Uh but this is basically what we did for 10 days and it was it was great.

[01:09:34]>> Yeah.

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