Sovereign Citizen Uses ALL CAPS Name Defense — Judge Instantly Shuts Him Down!

Added: 2026-06-01

[00:00:00]I'm not the all caps name of course.

[00:00:02]>> None of that is valid. None of that is law. You are standing in my courtroom. I have jurisdiction over you.

[00:00:11]>> What's your name?

[00:00:12]>> I'm here represent Brian Mus.

[00:00:15]>> You're Brian Musl.

[00:00:18]>> I have no idea what that means. So why don't you come up to the podium?

[00:00:28]I dropped it.

[00:00:29]>> Nope. Yeah. Stand in front of the thing.

[00:00:31]So, what is your name?

[00:00:33]>> Brian Joseph Mus.

[00:00:35]>> Okay. Are you an attorney? What's your P number?

[00:00:37]>> I'm not an attorney.

[00:00:38]>> So, then you can't represent Brian Muskro. So, you are a defendant, correct?

[00:00:43]>> An executive on that on that estate.

[00:00:45]>> Okay. So, none of that is valid or legal. So, you have an attorney.

[00:00:51]>> He's not doing nothing for me.

[00:00:53]>> Okay. That was my question. Do you have an attorney? Yes or no?

[00:00:56]>> I have. Yeah. He was supposed to be representing me. But >> so you have Michael Dagger Margoian.

[00:01:02]>> Okay. So he's your attorney. Okay. So go have a seat. When Mr. Dagger Margoian gets here, I'll call your case. Okay.

[00:01:16]All right. So Mr. Musgrove, you want to come up to the podium, please. This is in the matter of the people of the state of Michigan versus Brian Joseph Musgrove. File number 23-21461FH.

[00:01:31]I have Isaac Sme appearing on behalf of the people and I have Michael Dagger Marggoian appearing on behalf of Mr. Musgrove. Um, Mr. Dagger Marggoian Mike.

[00:01:43]Oh, there he is. So, um, Mr. Dagger Marggoian, this is the date and time set for pre-trial on this matter. Mr. Musgrove said that he was appearing on his own behalf. I did verify he is not an attorney and you are still the attorney of record. So um Mr. Dagger Marggoian, how do you wish to proceed?

[00:02:05]>> Well, your honor, I I am aware that Mr. Musgrove uh wants to present information to the court. I'm happy to be stand by council if he wants to represent himself.

[00:02:18]Obviously, this court would have to go through the colloquy of that, but um obviously it's Mr. Muskro's uh legal right to a at least ask the court to do that. So, I'm I'm here to observe at this point.

[00:02:34]>> All right. So, Mr. Musgrove, when you were at the bench or up at the podium before you you said that you were appearing on behalf of yourself. So, Mr. Musgrove. Um, are you asking to no longer have council represent you?

[00:02:50]>> Um, well, if what the what what I'm understanding is that the courts is a private for >> So, Mr. Mus, I know where you're going with this and none of that is valid.

[00:03:05]>> None of that is law.

[00:03:06]>> I'm not the all caps name. Of course, >> none of that is valid. None of that is law. You are standing in my courtroom. I have jurisdiction over you. So, >> I tried to file paperwork with the clerk's office ahead of time so that you would have time to review it. And they denied me.

[00:03:25]>> I know what you're talking about. None of that is valid under the law of the state of Michigan or the Constitution of the United States of America.

[00:03:33]>> What do you mean it is?

[00:03:35]>> No.

[00:03:36]>> The Supreme Court says it is.

[00:03:38]>> What does it say it is? The Supreme Court says that if you we were at the age of 18, we were supposed to take claim our our minor status.

[00:03:47]>> Nope. Not valid.

[00:03:49]>> Okay.

[00:03:51]>> So, here's what I would say to you. Mr. Dagger Marosian is like most of our public defenders, exceptional attorneys and very well-versed in the law and very >> this exchange clearly shows a clash between established legal procedure and sovereign citizen style arguments. The defendant relies on ideas like rejecting the all caps name or claiming courts lack jurisdiction. But the judge firmly dismisses these as invalid because they have no basis in actual law. Courts operate under statutory and constitutional authority and such arguments have been consistently rejected. The judge's repeated interruptions highlight that these claims are not just weak, they are irrelevant in real legal proceedings.

[00:04:31]>> Experienced. He gives legal advice. You may not like the legal advice, but it's usually good advice. I've never had anyone from the public defenders office um not wholeheartedly try to represent their clients. So, what you are talking about is not valid and it is not going to get you out of this case. You're not going to be able to say all those things. It's not valid.

[00:04:57]>> Everyone in this involved in this court case is has a financial interest in the case. was >> I don't have a financial interest in your case. I get paid by the state of Michigan. Whether you plead, whether it gets dismissed, I don't make any money off you.

[00:05:13]>> We have budgets. The court system is not a profit generating revenue. We are here to represent people so that people who are charged with crimes are protected.

[00:05:23]People who are victims of crimes are protected. And that's why we have >> in order for there to be a crime, there has to be a victim. There there is a >> well there is a victim in this case would be the company >> you are charged >> I can't think >> just hold on so your crime that you are charged with which you are innocent as of this time let me grab the right file is fail oh this is an a let me see this is an embezzlement charge so you are charged at count one with embezzlement 50,000 or more but less than $100,000 that being an agent, servant, or employee of Hardwoods of Michigan Industries did convert to your own use without the consent of your employer or principal, Industrial Tools, and Equipment in the amount of $68,938.40 or money or equipment. And that's a 15-year felony. So, if you are found guilty by a jury, you can go to prison for up to 15 years. You're charged in count two with using a computer to commit a crime to facilitate the charge.

[00:06:28]Count one that carries a maximum penalty of up to 10 years in prison. And the way the statute is set up, I can actually stack those possibly. So you potentially could be looking at up to 25 years in prison. So the victim that's alleged in this would be that business, >> right? And I can't face that accuser because that business can't get on the stand for me and ask questions and a third party, >> but their representative can. Yes, they can. Yes, they can. Yes, they can. So I have 189,000 of student loan debt that was forgiven to be a lawyer. You do not.

[00:07:01]And Mr. Gagger Marggoi and Mr. Isaac Sneed, all of the attorneys here went to law school to know the law and their job is to advise you of the law.

[00:07:10]>> So yes, they can be charged. Everything, all the laws and statutes that you guys go by are corporations.

[00:07:18]>> They're for still a crime. Still a crime.

[00:07:21]>> But I'm not a corporation. I'm a living person.

[00:07:24]>> Yep. And that's why you're standing in front of me. If you were dead, the case would be dismissed.

[00:07:28]>> Yeah. The the all God's name is dead.

[00:07:30]>> That means nothing. That's not valid.

[00:07:33]That's not legal.

[00:07:35]>> So, do you want to represent yourself or do you want to have an attorney to represent you?

[00:07:44]>> I I need some time, I think.

[00:07:47]>> Okay. So, I'm going to set this for another pre-trial on March 20th at 8:30 in the morning. And Miss Adams, could I get a notice of hearing from Mr. Musgrove?

[00:07:59]>> Yes, Judge.

[00:08:00]>> Another key takeaway is the judge strongly encouraging the defendant to rely on a qualified attorney. The defendant's attempt to represent himself while misunderstanding fundamental legal principles, puts him at serious risk, especially given the severity of the charges, potentially up to 25 years in prison. The judge emphasizes that public defenders are trained professionals whose advice, even if unwanted, is grounded in real law. This underscores how self-representation without proper legal knowledge can significantly harm a defendant's