When is NASA REALLY going to land on the Moon? - LIVESTREAM

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[00:01:32]Welcome to the Angry Astronaut Angry Astronaut live stream. We haven't done as many of these as of late. So, here we go. We're going to start doing these on a regular basis. Um, by the way, uh, for those of you just to you may notice that there is a super chat goal that's been set up there. And as far as the goals are concerned, this time what I'm doing is a two random winners will get to pick a video topic, their own video topic.

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[00:02:15]Robert, thank you so much for getting the super chats going. By the way, Airborne Bob, fantastic supporters. Been supporting this channel forever. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, so first of all, where's everybody checking in from? We got Alabama saying hello.

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[00:03:22]Calgary and let's see, Osw. I'm sorry. I should know how that's pronounced, but I don't. Sorry about that. But yeah, I just watched uh the second Bill and Ted, by the way, the the bogus journey or whatever. That was so hilarious. Hello, California. Thank you very much uh for being here today. Uh and yeah, we got uh we got a little bit of an audience.

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[00:04:06]Let's go ahead and get going on the topic. Dublin, Texas, uh, Missouri again. Thanks very much for uh, and you know, something strange that I'm a show me kind of guy. Even though, uh, I'm not from Missouri. I've got the the whole show me state concept. I'm real big on that. you show me something works, if you show me something is effective, um I I'm much more willing and and uh and to support it. Um which again is why I did that strange turnaround on SLS. I did nothing but hammer SLS for years and years on this channel. But once Artemis one happened and they pretty much knocked it out of the park on the first attempt and now Artemis 2 successfully taking people to lunar orbit and back safely without a problem. That's a show me kind of accomplishment and that that counts for something as far as I'm concerned. Hello Ireland. Thank you very much. Really appreciate you being here.

[00:05:08]Yep. Sand Deus, make sure that you you're from only a mile away from Sand Deas High School. Make sure to be excellent to each other and party on, dudes. Okay, so let's talk about Oh, thank you so much, Richard Peters with a super chat. So appreciate it. We've gotten our little uh our little race to to 20 super chats going. And by the way, two random super chat uh supporters will get to pick their topic for a video. you tell me what video you want me to make as long as it's space or UFO related and I will make it. Um, so that's what we're giving away today. So, all of that being said, what's going on with the moon?

[00:05:54]What's really happening with the moon?

[00:05:56]Fortunately, SpaceX had a successful static fire today. Um, it looked like it's one of the longest duration booster static fires I have ever seen. It was super impressive. 14 seconds. Um, which is much longer than SpaceX will usually test the 33 engine booster. Um, the six engine one they ran for almost a minute not that long ago. Uh, but still, it's a good accomplishment. It means that chances are they're going to attempt to launch on the 15th. So, I was wrong about that. I thought that they wouldn't be able to launch in May, but they managed to make things happen quickly and now they will be launching in May.

[00:06:41]Looks like anyway, I'd be willing to bet that they're going to be able to do that attempt. It means a lot. They really need to have an extremely successful test flight on the version three, the V3 Starship. So, I'm going to explain why that's the case. producer, can you put up that diagram, that little visual of the Aremis 3 mission real quick so we can see um what I'm talking about today.

[00:07:11]Uh if you can get that up and running.

[00:07:13]There we go. Um so again, this is a diagram of what used to be the Artemis 3 concept of operations.

[00:07:23]Now it's Artemis 4. What they felt is is that Artemis 3 was supposed to land on the moon and they didn't like the idea of trying to carry out a lunar orbital docking with no experience with no docking practice between the lander and the Orion spacecraft. And so they've changed that to where Artemis 3 is going to be docking in low Earth orbit or maybe a higher orbit. Um, but the so this Artemis 3 is actually Artemis 4.

[00:07:58]So, let me tell you how this works. And this is not a 100% accurate diagram.

[00:08:03]This is what SpaceX provides, but it's not true. Um, and unfortunately, unless something really changes with Starship, it's it's not true. So, what goes on with this mission? And if it's Blue Origin, it's it's different, but a lot of the concepts are still the same.

[00:08:22]Lunar Starship is huge. It's a big monster. It weighs over a hundred metric tons empty. So just to get it into orbit requires almost all the fuel that it has on board. All the fuel in the booster and all the fuel in the upper stage just to get it into orbit. And then it's almost out of gas. At that point, Starship needs to be completely refueled in order to make a journey to the moon and do everything else that it has to do. So for that refueling, each Starship can only carry about a 100 metric tons, maybe a little bit more worth of propellant. And Starship's going to carry 1,200 to three,300 uh metric tons worth of propellant total to be completely fueled up. and it's going to have to be completely fueled up in order to get the mission done. And I'll explain why that's the case here in just a second. So the way this works and this is one of the most convoluted and difficult lunar missions that I think anybody could have imagined. If they had come up with this idea in Apollo in the Apollo era days, I think they would have thrown it out the window uh without even a second thought given the complexity.

[00:09:46]But we're doing this because the idea is to go to the moon to stay. NASA likes the idea of lunar starship being able to carry enormous amounts of payload and so that's why they they one of the reasons why they chose lunar starship. So all that being the case um the lunar starship as I mentioned requires refuelings and you see at on the left hand side of the graphic five refueling tankers actually looks like five refueling tankers four refueling tankers plus a a a fuel depot.

[00:10:25]Well, it's almost certainly going to require at least 10, maybe 15 refueling missions in order to completely fill up a fuel depot to where you can fuel a lunar starship 100%. So, we're looking at a minimum minimum of a dozen Starship launches in order to make this work. You need one Starship launch to send up lunar Starship, the one that's going to be carrying the astronauts. You need 10 refueling missions and then you need one launch of Starship to take up the fuel depot. It's a modified Starship designed to just carry fuel. So, there's going to be the fuel depot and the refueling tankers and Starship itself. By the way, there's a zillion things that are still required for all of this process that we haven't seen yet. For example, the refueling depot. We haven't seen a design for that. We've seen some graphics and such, but not a whole lot of other information. In order for a fuel depot to work, it needs a cooling system of some kind. It needs a very good cooling system because the depot will be exposed to a lot of sunlight.

[00:11:42]That sunlight heats up the vehicle at least half the time when it comes out of Earth's shadow. And then you lose that propellant. all the propellant you're putting into it bleeds away um uh through a process called propellant boil off. The only way you can counter that is through number one a uh cooling system of some kind and number two a sun shield. Um and Blue Origin by the way has shown us their sun shield. They actually already have a prototype built for their sunshield. So, they've made good progress um as near as we can tell. So far, we haven't seen any of that from uh from Starship. But in order to have an active propul, excuse me, just one second.

[00:12:40]In order to have an active cooling system, you need to have power, which means they're going to need something, some kind of solar panels, big solar panels, something along those lines in order to generate the necessary energy or a nuclear power system, but I really doubt that anybody's going to let SpaceX have a nuclear power plant. So, you need solar panels, you need a sun shield, you need a cooling system, you need a lot of stuff to make that refueling depot work.

[00:13:12]And so far, we haven't seen much of that. We haven't even seen a preliminary design review or PDR for a refueling depot yet. You need a PDR, then you need a CDR, critical design review, and then the final product. And it takes years usually from a PDR to a finished product to get done. So it's just it's it's incredible all the things that are going to be required in order to make all of this work. Could you hide the depot behind the Earth? The only way you could do that is to put it into a kind of a reverse sunsynchronous orbit that's continuously in the Earth's shadow.

[00:13:58]However, if you do that, it's going to be too far away from Earth in order for the refueling missions to reach it. So, there's no real way to avoid the sun.

[00:14:10]You're going to you're going to get boiled by the sun one way or the other.

[00:14:15]Hello, Marina. By the way, everybody say hello to Marina, our friend from Ukraine, who's been a fantastic supporter of this channel for a long time. um through a very nasty war for years and years now. Really appreciate the fact that Marina is here joining us today um as uh as one of our administrators here. Okay, so all that stuff for the refueling and so far we haven't even tested a single refueling mission. We haven't even the Starship hasn't even orbited Earth once yet. Yeah, you see what I'm saying here?

[00:14:53]Do you get what I'm saying in terms of how many milestones need to be achieved before any of this is actually going to happen? I'm really not I'm trying very hard not to be negative here. I'm trying instead to simply spell out all of the milestones, all of the technical accomplishments that need to be made before any of this can happen. But let's assume that it gets done. Okay. So, the refueling refueling process gets mastered. You get a refueling depot that keeps the propellant cool all the time, keeps the boil off from happening. Let's assume that they accomplish all of those things. Get the refueling done. Then what happens is the lunar starship, the lunar lander version of Starship goes to lunar orbit to Lll, low lunar orbit. It used to be going to a different orbit because the lunar gateway space station was going to be there, but that's no longer the case that the lunar gateway has been cancelled. That makes things easier for the lunar landers and such.

[00:16:03]So that that's a bit of good news, I suppose, to make this process a bit easier. So lunar starship goes to low lunar orbit and gets situated there.

[00:16:13]when it's there, and only when it's there, SLS lifts off. Okay? You've had to So, you've flown 12 missions of the biggest rocket ever built in human history before SLS even takes off. So, now you've got 13 super rockets flying uh before you before this mission can be completed. And what SLS does is it delivers the Orion spacecraft to LL, low lunar orbit. It docks with the lunar starship. Okay? And then the astronauts go on to lunar starship. Lunar Starship descends down to the lunar surface. And the astronauts spend a week, maybe two weeks or something on the lunar surface, far longer than Apollo astronauts could because lunar starship is huge. It has a huge capacity for a robust life support system. So it can keep astronauts alive on the surface of the moon for a long period of time. Um far longer than the Apollo limb could.

[00:17:25]And then after that, after they've been there, it lifts off again. It docks with the Orion spacecraft again in low lunar orbit. Orion comes back to Earth, re-enters the atmosphere just like it did with Artemis 2, and the astronauts are home. Mission over. So, yeah, 13 super rocket launches in order to make all of this happen. But the positive side, and I don't want to just say nothing but negative here, the positive side of all of this is that lunar starship can take enormous amounts of payload to the lunar surface. We're talking a 100 metric tons at least.

[00:18:08]Robert, thank you so much. You just threw in your second super chat. Let me go ahead and remind everybody, by the way, you see the at the top of the of the uh chat, there's a super chat counter there. We're trying to get to 20. For those of you who don't know, I've hit a real dry spell here on this channel. So, trying to raise money any way I can. And we're giving away two video topics. We're doing a giveaway.

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[00:18:55]So, if it ends up being Blue Origin, it's a little different. It doesn't require as much refueling, but it still requires some refueling. And it also requires that a new spacecraft called the CIS Lunar Transporter be finished and uh and carry the Blue Moon lander out to lunar orbit. and then refuel it there.

[00:19:20]Less complicated, fewer refueling missions. But unfortunately, Blue Moon is not nearly as far along as Starship is because Starship won the first contract back in 2021.

[00:19:36]Blue Moon didn't get selected um for the sustainable HLS program until 2023. So, they lost two years as a result of that.

[00:19:45]I don't see Blue Moon being a mature system very soon. Then again, I'm not sure if I see given everything that we just looked at, I'm not sure if I see Starship being a mature system either.

[00:19:59]Now, let's do a compare and contrast. uh producer, let's pull up the uh the rocket footage, the Chinese rocket footage um that I sent to you today and I'm going to show you what I'm talking about there. What you're going to what you're watch No, that's the lander.

[00:20:18]That's the lunar lander. Let's pull up the rocket. The rocket in flight.

[00:20:23]It's the second one that I sent to you.

[00:20:31]Yeah, we'll get there. Don't worry.

[00:20:36]Now I Okay, let me let me have a look and see what I sent you here.

[00:20:45]Bear with us, guys.

[00:20:49]It would be in the clatters one, right?

[00:20:55]Yep. There's two of them.

[00:21:01]We'll be using the the message that I sent at 5:53 p.m. We'll be using this in the live stream if possible. The first one says, "China's Moonlander." The second one says, "China aces crucial tests.

[00:21:13]You see that?

[00:21:16]Okay, cool. No problem. No problem.

[00:21:18]We'll get this for a second here, guys.

[00:21:20]In a second, I'm going to show you where China is in this process um to give you an idea of just how radically different these systems are.

[00:21:31]Um it's it's kind of nuts really uh to see just how incredibly different the philosophies are on this.

[00:21:42]Kind of crazy. But uh in any event, we'll have a look at it here in just a second soon as it gets downloaded and queued up. What we're going to be watching first is China's rocket uh their latest long march rocket carrying out an abort test with their lunar space their equivalent of the Orion, the spacecraft that carries uh tyonauts out to lunar orbit. That's what we'll be watching first is their test with that particular um rocket and uh and the abort system. Um thank you so much Steve with the tenor. Thank you. I'll tell you will lunar starship return to Earth orbit to refuel? No, it will not. It will be out of fuel by then. Um, it takes a lot of delta V to get all the way from Earth orbit, land on the moon, get back to lunar orbit, and then dock with Orion. It will not have enough delta V left to go. It probably could get back to Earth, but it couldn't decelerate into Earth orbit. That would not be possible. And so, what would happen is is that it would burn up in the atmosphere. Unfortunately, even a fully fueled starship does not have the delta V necessary to get all the way to a docking with Orion, land on the moon, and then come back and decelerate into Earth orbit. There's just not enough as far as reusable lunar starship is not.

[00:23:15]Okay, so here it goes. Here goes the uh the Chinese rocket. Um again, this is an abort test. All right, the abort test um is with that same thing as Orion. It's a very similar spacecraft to Orion. This is what's designed in order to get the tyonauts out. So if there's a malfunction of some kind, then the this is how it escapes. But what nobody anticipated is that China was also going to do a demonstration of their of their reusable rocket. You'd see the grid fins and all that coming out on this thing just like a Falcon 9. Um, everybody was shocked when China did this. Nobody anticipated that they were going to do this kind of demonstration and they did a gentle splashdown. Really gentle actually. They burned up all of the fuel in the booster and it settled down nicely in the water um without any sort of significant issues. You can see the landing pad, the the barge sitting next to it. And then of course, here comes the uh the orbiter after it did its abort test safely returning. Uh it has three parachutes now, by the way. That's a uh that's an impressive thing. Here's they did they didn't used to have three parachutes. It was more dangerous, but now they have three parachutes just like the Orion. Here's the problem with all this. And if you want to go ahead and rerun that producer, just go ahead and keep that on a loop while I'm talking.

[00:24:52]That would be fine.

[00:24:54]Here's where China has a big advantage on all of this. This very same rocket that it and by the way, it also had it has a triple core design. Essentially a a long march heavy is what it is. And a triple core version of this rocket for one thing has reusability built into at least the booster stages. But in addition, this is the same rocket that is going to take both the orbiter, the Chinese equivalent of the of the Orion and the lunar lander to the moon. So, the same rocket does the lunar lander part and the orbiter part. Now, it's two separate missions, two separate rockets, but nevertheless, it's the same rocket.

[00:25:49]It really simplifies matters. And not only that, you're getting reusability built into both the orbiter and the lander mission. And NASA doesn't have that. You have the super expensive expendable SLS and then you have Starship with all of those refueling missions. With China, instead of 12 launches of big super rockets, you have two. one for the orbiter and one for the lander.

[00:26:24]So much simpler. Now, the positive thing, the thing that helps that's on NASA's side in this regard, the Chinese lander cannot carry nearly as much payload, nearly as much cargo or personnel to the surface of the moon than the lunar starship can. or even the blue moon uh lander can carry substantially more cargo than the Chinese lander. And China knows this by the way and they are building a Starship clone that can carry far more payload and it has the refueling aspects. All of those things are being built into that design also. But here's the thing, it's they're doing both at the same time.

[00:27:09]They're doing the the uh the more traditional lunar lander solution to begin with to beat the west to beat NASA to the moon at least in the 21st century and then they're doing a bigger heavier reusable super rocket like Starship at the for for the long-term future for building a big ambitious lunar base. So that means they'll have the ability to do both simultaneously, which again is something that that that NASA that the US that the West didn't do. The reason I'm bringing this up is to demonstrate why I believe very firmly that China is going to win this race. You're talking 12 launches versus two. That is so much simpler. Now, here's Now, we're going to show you the second piece of footage, the one we started to show you at the beginning. We're going to go ahead and cue that one up.

[00:28:10]What you're going to watch now is China's prototype of their lunar lander.

[00:28:16]And here's the reason why this is so they're so far ahead. This is the lander that is going to carry two tyonauts down to the surface of the moon. This lander will dock with their orbiter, with their Orion equivalent in lunar orbit, carry Chinese astronauts down to the surface of the moon, and then bring them safely back up to the uh to the orbiter. The reason why they're so far ahead is look what they're doing. They're already testing this thing's landing engines and they're testing its avionics all in simulated lunar gravity. those little cables that they were using that they're using to hold the vehicle up is essentially negating 56 of Earth's gravity. So, it's only being subjected to 16th of Earth's gravity during these tests. So, and by the way, NASA did the same thing in getting the limb ready to land on the moon. And we if we just go ahead and keep that one recycling as well, NASA did precisely the same thing.

[00:29:25]Um, it testing landers, testing the equipment in simulated lunar gravity as they got close to the time to, and I like, by the way, how they had the moon in the background in one of those shots.

[00:29:39]Um, so again, here's the thing. China is already doing what NASA should have been doing a year or two ago if they really ser if they were really serious about the idea of landing on the moon in 2028.

[00:29:57]Um if if NASA and the West really wanted to win this race, they should be doing this sort of stuff now too. a lunar starship prototype should be going through tests in simulated lunar gravity or a blue moon simulator should be doing something similar to that and yet that's not happening. Now granted, as of right now, you know, NASA is is sure we went to the moon already. The west went to the moon.

[00:30:30]It doesn't matter because we didn't leave leave any permanent presence there. I hate to say that it does matter in terms of the science. It does matter in terms of the accomplishment, but there was nothing done in the 60s and 70s that gave NASA an advantage in terms of establishing a permanent presence on the moon. Now, what should have been done back then if we really wanted to exploit the resources on the moon and establish a permanent base on the moon is we should have started building it back then. And we didn't. We gave up the whole damn thing. And so now we're using entirely different equipment, entirely different technology to try to accomplish what we should have done in the early 1970s. And so consequently, given what I've shown you here, I don't see how NASA wins this race. I hate it.

[00:31:30]I hate the fact that it's true. I don't see how NASA lands. I don't see how the first words that we hear from the surface of the moon in the 21st century aren't being spoken in Mandarin. I don't see how that happens. Now granted, maybe there are things about the Chinese program that we don't know. Communist country, they hide a lot of the details.

[00:31:57]It could be that they are not nearly as advanced as they appear to be. But unless that is the case, I don't see how uh it's I just don't see how it's it's possible. And again, you know, it matters that we made it all this all these years ago. Sure, it matters, but unfortunately, none of those accomplishments help us now. And establishing a permanent presence on the moon matters at this point. And China knows this. There are extremely valuable resources on the moon. Helium 3, for example, and a wide variety of rare earths, rare minerals, rare metals, those sorts of things. All of that um all of those those rare resources are something that China largely dominates anyway. In terms of the rare earth and rare metals market, China controls almost 90% of it now. A mining operation on the moon could have the potential in the future to break that monopoly, but not if China controls the industry. And also what matters about them getting to the moon first is they are going to be able to establish ownership of where they set down. They can say, "Hey, you know what? This is this this site that we sat down at the lunar south pole that has all of this fantastic ice, all of this water and and other resources that are critical to setting up a lunar base.

[00:33:35]That's our property now. This we own that. And so you're going to have to find a different place to land NASA, United States, whatever. Um, it is very important if we're talking about a race and you're talking about building a base on the moon, finding the best real estate is critical. Real estate matters a lot because the lunar south pole has two characteristics that are extremely important. Number one, ice. Ice/water.

[00:34:11]That is very, very critical. And the second the second thing that's extremely important um is the terrain. The terrain at the lunar south pole is notoriously bad. It's very difficult to land at the lunar south pole because of all the craters, all of the mountainous terrain.

[00:34:32]There's not a lot of flat spaces to set down on the moon. So, a lunar base is going to require a perfect combination, a perfect storm of a flat landing facility, a flat flat landing terrain and lunar ice nearby. Those two factors are going to be super important. And if you if you grab those resources first, if you seize those resources ahead of your competitor um and establish ownership essentially, then that gives you a big leg up. And what if you get to land twice or three times before uh before your competitor lands? That gives you an opportunity to establish two or three locations that you can again claim ownership with. I I Yeah, go ahead. If you got Yeah, thank you. There's a topography map of the lunar south pole that our fantastic producer has provided. You see what I'm talking about? That terrain sucks. It is extremely rugged. And again, the lunar ice is deep in those craters. The lunar south pole has two different types of terrain. One type is exposed to sunlight all the time. There's the sun never really goes down. And then the other type of terrain is the stuff that's in perpetual shadow. The stuff that's in perpetual shadow, we know, we know for sure has ice reserves. And again, the reason ice is important, hydrogen and oxygen makes rocket fuel. As a matter of fact, that is precisely why Blue Origin designed the Blue Moon lander with hydrolocks engines. And also, New Glenn's upper stage has hydrolocks engines, not methylox engines like Starship. And again, the reason they did that is because uh and the reason they did that um is because Jeff Bezos wanted to go to the moon. Jeff Bezos wanted to establish a presence there. Start mining the moon, take advantage of the silicon resources on the moon to make solar panels, lots of solar panels that theoretically could be deployed into Earth orbit to provide solar energy transmitted down to Earth. He's that's something that Blue Origin is talking a lot about. Does this feel like NASA's wasted its 50 to 60 year advantage? Yes, they absolutely have. It's I hate to say it. I really do. There are so many aborted attempts that were made to return to the moon. The constellation program is the most recent. So many really good, really ambitious plans to go back to the moon and they got shut down every single time by both parties.

[00:37:43]By the way, this has this is not a Republican or Democrat thing. They're all responsible for it. I mean, we can give the Trump administration credit for Artemis because that's what got it got started during his first term in office and also give, you know, give credit where it's due. Give credit to Biden for keeping it going instead of cancing it when he was in office. I I I don't like either of those guys, but I'm glad that they did what they did in that regard, that Trump started it and that Biden didn't cancel it. But all that having been said, a lot of questionable decisions have been made up to this point that I think is going to put us in a tight spot. For those of you watching my channel for a long time, you know what I'm talking about here. And that is the Dynetics Alpaca. The Dynetics Alpaca was a fantastic lunar lander for Artemis. It was reusable. It was small.

[00:38:45]It was low to the ground. It was capable of carrying several tons worth of cargo.

[00:38:51]It's not like it was another Apollo limb or anything like that, but close to the ground, meaning that it's not going to topple over. Um, and it didn't require all of that refueling. Not nearly as much refueling. And also, it was capable of being deployed by existing rockets.

[00:39:11]the Atlas or the Vulcan Centaur could deploy um the alpaca. It didn't require, like I say, all that refueling, all that nonsense. And it passed its preliminary design review. Yes, hydrolock. Correct.

[00:39:26]Marina, hydrolocks means hydrogen and oxygen. Um, but the Okay, we're gonna uh right now producers bringing up Derek. By the way, everybody say thank you so much to Derek who's also known as Digital Voodoo. He's the one running this live stream. It's usually ASN. Everybody say thank you to him, number one. And number two, head on over to his YouTube channel to Digital Voodoo. He's got some awesome science fiction stuff there. Really cool stuff.

[00:39:58]So any what we're looking at right now is all the landing zones, right? There's a lot of potential landing zones that NASA has identified, but all of them are in really tricky regions. You see how rugged the terrain is around there and how useful a a lander that's set low to the ground that doesn't topple over easily would have been under those circumstances. And and as I was just saying, Alpaca passed its PDR, its preliminary design review in 2021, five years ago. Alpaca fixed that. By the way, guys, if you have any super chats to throw, we're only five minutes uh before the end of our our race to 20.

[00:40:47]I understand times are tough. Don't worry about it. But um I'd love to give away a couple of couple of video topics today. Um once again, just quick reminder, let's go ahead and continue with the uh with the conversation here.

[00:41:02]Um the uh so the alpaca having completed its pre preliminary design review in 2021, I would say it's very likely that it would have been ready to go by now.

[00:41:15]that five years later it would have been ready for a human mission because neither at this point as difficult is as it is to believe lunar starship and blue moon neither of them have completed their PDRs their preliminary design reviews they and they need to complete a critical design review CDR also before they're going to be ready and no humanrated vehicle including by the way includ including SpaceX vehicles like Crew Dragon. No human rated vehicle has gone from PDR to completed human mission in only four years by 2030 that is we're not even talking about two years 2028 we're talking four years. No human rated vehicle has ever done that. And again, as I said, that includes SpaceX's Crew Dragon, which by the way is so much simpler. It is so much easier to do a vehicle that orbits Earth and docks with the International Space Station as opposed to a lunar lander. Now, Eddie brings up a good point, and he may be right. I'll freely admit that. Don't assume the Chinese technology is quite as advanced as it looks. Their copy of Russian jet fighters are inferior to the Russians. Their copy of the F-35 means two engines to equal I think it's the J20 if I remember correctly. Um their their stealth fighter equivalent, but it's not as good as the F-35. You're absolutely right about that. There are certain things about China's uh about China's uh experience with this sort of stuff that could make a 2030 landing far too uh ambitious, far too optimistic.

[00:43:08]That said though, if that were the case, if China struggles with this sort of stuff the way we think they might, then how have they been able to land on the moon as successfully as they've been able to do lately with their unmanned vehicles? Their unmanned craft have been landing on the moon with incredible reliability. They haven't had a single launch failure in years and years. Not only that, they carried out a successful sample return mission from the moon and brought it back. They are the only country in the history in history that the only space program in history that have been able to carry out a successful mission to the far side of the moon and back. There's so many accomplishments that uh that China has carried out. Now, once again, unmanned vehicles are one thing. The Soviets were able to do some incredible stuff with unmanned vehicles in the 1960s and 1970s as well. Just because you're doing something good, uh just because you're accomplishing big things with unmanned vehicles, that doesn't mean that you'll be able to do it with humanrated vehicles. However, at the same time, China is doing stuff with humanrated vehicles. Now, they have a space station that seems to be doing fine. They have regular humanrated missions up to that space station. So far, they've been pretty successful. But again, just because they've been successful with these things doesn't mean that they're going to be able to carry out this immensely difficult task of landing on the moon. No matter how you do it, no matter how simple your system is, whether it be 12 launches or two launches, it is a difficult thing to do regardless. So, yeah, I'll tell you what, guys. Um, I we have a smaller crowd than usual, and I think I was being a bit overly ambitious with the uh Let me let me just go ahead and add things up here. That's two. Three.

[00:45:21]I'm just taking it in $5 increments.

[00:45:24]Five. So that's eight.

[00:45:29]11.

[00:45:33]Okay. What I'm going to do is I'm going to count all the ones we received since they were in increments of five bucks.

[00:45:40]I'm going to count it as 11 instead of four at this point. Um, so if we can get another uh what would that be then? If another nine another $45 in super chats, no matter where it comes from, then I'll go ahead and and honor it. Honestly, I'm probably going to honor it no matter what because you guys are so awesome.

[00:46:02]But nevertheless, if we can get another $45 total in super chats uh before we wrap up tonight, um then I'll go ahead and uh honor the giveaway. Um, so all that again the giveaway is a random super chat supporter, two random super chat supporters actually will get to choose a video topic and then I will make that video. You basically get your own uh uh your own custommade video. Uh so okay, all that having been said, uh you're right, there's another good point. They have massive resources in manpower. Uh no question about that. Let me see if we got any more questions that I have missed.

[00:46:49]Just want to make sure that uh and by the way, the merch store is closed, guys, just so you know. Um the merch store will be closed for most of this month at least before we get some new stuff. All right, do we have any other questions that NASA should have built the lander instead of the rocket?

[00:47:08]Private sector can build the rocket return caps. You know what? That is a good point. Uh the the rocket, the lander is more complicated than the rocket. And we've already shown that rockets can be built. Thank you so much.

[00:47:24]Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, JCT.

[00:47:27]10 euros. We got 35 to go, guys. I know we can do it. I know we can do it. Like I say, um from where we are now, I'll give away one video. We'll say that. No matter what happens, I'll give away at least one video. Oh, I don't even know what 45 croners means. Um, I'll count that as two. So, that's uh four. Uh, so now we only have 25 to go. Thanks very much, guys. So, but any other questions uh that you folks might have about what I've talked about or if you just disagree with what I've had to say. I mean I believe me right now Jared Isaacman is saying that the uh that the the the vendors that the uh the contractors that is to say Blue Origin and SpaceX are both saying that they're going to do it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much AI for the $10. Yes, I do have a couple of ThreeI Atlas t-shirts left and I'll be giving those away um here in upcoming uh upcoming uh live streams. Would the Pulsar Fusion engine change every everything if they get it up and running by 2030? Yeah, definitely. Pulsar fusion would increase the amount of payload that we could take to the moon immensely. You wouldn't need 10 refueling missions anymore. You could probably get it done on one refueling mission. The whole job pulsar fusions uh engines could probably get luner starship out to the moon and back on one refueling mission as opposed to just 10.

[00:49:05]So yeah, it would change everything. And again, that's because of how efficiently um it uses the uh uses it. So we got let me let me count again. I'm pretty sure we're really close now. Let's see. Two, four, six.

[00:49:25]Oh, did we get another one? Did we make it?

[00:49:30]Let's see. I think we got something else here.

[00:49:33]There we go. Thank you. That made it.

[00:49:36]Thank you so much, uh, Carrie uh, Carrie Carrie Siver, I guess. Um, thank you so much for coming in at the last second like that with those 200 croners. That's so nice of you. Thank you so much, guys.

[00:49:50]I really appreciate you helping me get to my goal. It makes all the difference in the world at the moment, folks. It really does given the dry spell that that uh that this channel's been hitting in terms of monetization. YouTube is doing a terrible job of compensating creators right now. Um, so this is a temporary thing. I'm sure they'll get this fixed and start compensating us better at some point, but in the meantime, boy, you guys are making a huge difference. Thank you. Thank you.

[00:50:20]Thank you. Okay, so uh, so that being the case, Atlas is a rare foreign comet.

[00:50:26]No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

[00:50:29]It's so radically different from anything else we have ever seen, anything else that's ever passed through the solar system. Just so you know, the detium alone, if I'm drift off onto three Atlas for a second, just because so many viewers love that topic, deterium, the dutarium alone in three eye atlases coma, it has more detium uh per per gram or whatever you want to call it uh per kilogram of water ice than any other object in the universe.

[00:51:04]I saw the the uh the ones who disco the scientists who discovered it and wrote a paper on the topic. They gave us a gra they they produced a graph of all of the different dutariumheavy objects from nebula to planets to comets to everything else that we are familiar with in the solar system that have dutarium. And three I Atlas had a higher concentration of fusion fuel. deterium fusion fuel basically than any object that we have ever seen in the universe.

[00:51:38]That's that alone is mindboggling. That alone suggests that three Atlas was way different far more than just a bizarre comet. And uh and I think the more we study the results of these analyses, we've had many probes that have photographed this thing, that have analyzed it, uh analyzed its composition, temperature, other things.

[00:52:07]As the more that we study this, the more we're going to discover and the more we're going to find out. The three Atlas was a very amazing and unique object.

[00:52:17]And I think it's also worth noting, by the way, the Vera Rubin Observatory has been up and running for a while now. Not quite a year, but close. It's found all kinds of stuff, all kinds of new asteroids. It has yet to find another interstellar object. Everybody said that when Vera Rubin gets up and running, it's going to find lots of interstellar objects zooming through our solar system that we're always there. And so that's how we're going to know the three eye atlas was nothing special. So far, Vera Rubin has turned up nothing blank. So maybe these things are not as common as we think they are. Anyway, all that having been said, let's do the giveaway.

[00:53:01]Derek, uh can you uh really quickly consolidate the super chat folks?

[00:53:10]Can you do that and do a random giveaway to two of them? Is that possible?

[00:53:21]Sure. Here we go, guys. So, drum roll.

[00:53:24]We got two winners. And by the way, you guys get to choose your own custom video. Choose a topic as long as it's UFO or space related, spaceflight related, something along those lines. Do whatever you like. Thank you very much, by the way, Mike. Mike has been an angry advocate for almost three years. By the way, that gives you access to my Discord server and a lot of early release content. I've been releasing early release stuff on a regular basis. And I'm about to unload another um uh piece of exclusive content here very soon.

[00:54:02]Some more UFO stuff that I found, some raw UFO footage. I'm going to make that available um to the Patreon and uh advocate members. So either if you're a Patreon supporter, whatever.

[00:54:17]Richard Peters 6500.

[00:54:20]That's our first winner. Richard Peters 6500. Congratulations.

[00:54:26]My email address is in the descript. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Second one is what?

[00:54:34]Caris Merchesen. Is that what you said?

[00:54:38]Okay.

[00:54:40]Okay. 9834. Caris Merchesen 9834.

[00:54:44]Those two super chat winners are our winners tonight. That means you pick what video you want to see. It as long as it's space or or UFO related, space flight or something along those lines.

[00:54:58]And congratulations to both of you. By the way, my email is in the description.

[00:55:04]send me over what you want to see, what you want your topic to be. And I will have that video made in two weeks.

[00:55:11]That's my guarantee to you folks because of your generous support tonight. Folks, I really appreciate it. And by the way, I want to be 100% clear on one more thing. I hope I'm dead wrong about all of this. I really do. I want to be proven wrong. I would love it if SpaceX or Blue Origin gets their lunar lander and all the refueling and everything that's necessary to make it work. I'll be thrilled if they get that done by the end of 2028. It would make me so incredibly happy. I just don't think it's possible. I really don't. And I think, and again, it's, you know, hindsight's 2020 and there's nothing we can do about it now, but I think we could have made other decisions in the past that would have changed things. All that having been said, really appreciate you guys checking in tonight and I wish the best of luck to both Blue Origin and SpaceX, especially SpaceX right now because they're about to do this next flight, the first flight of the V3 Starship. This is so important and God, I hope this thing goes perfectly. Um, I'll of course be covering this launch when it happens. Um, on the 15th is when it's supposed to happen at this point, about 10 days from now. So, please stay tuned. Thanks again for watching and until next time, stay angry about space.

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