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[00:00:03][Music] Cell phone theft is one of the most common crimes in Brazil. Every minute, almost two devices are stolen or robbed.

[00:00:17]But how can you avoid this loss, and what should you do if you become a victim of this type of crime? In this interview, which begins now, I am joined by two experts on the subject. Marcelo Naj, a cybersecurity specialist, and Leonardo Santana, from the public security field. They will help you learn how to protect yourself from theft or robbery, how to ensure your data and information are protected, what to do to try to recover a stolen device, and security measures to avoid digital scams and fraud. Journalist Sibele Nunes is with you on our social media to share her thoughts and help you clarify these and other questions. We are live on TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, X, and also Quai.

[00:01:13]Good morning, gentlemen Marcelo Nag, Leonardo Santana, and Sibes. Thank you for participating in another Senate Live session.

[00:01:21]Good morning, Marcelo.

[00:01:22]Good morning.

[00:01:23]Well, I'll start by talking a little about this new law. I'm going to ask each of our guests for their comments. Legislation that only increases, that gives more power to the Public Prosecutor's Office to investigate criminals.

[00:01:41]Finally, I would like to know your opinion on the possible impacts this new law may have on those who matter most: the Brazilian citizens who want to feel safer and more freely using their cell phones. Let's start with your Marcelo Nard, please. Marcelo, my namesake.

[00:02:04]Good morning, Marcelo. Good morning, Celi. Good morning, Leonardo, who is watching us right now. It's a great pleasure to be here talking to you all about this subject. And finally, you know, I said that we should toughen up a bit more on this crime that worries us so much today. I used to be very afraid of having my wallet stolen. I think all of you, right? That purse or wallet, it has all our documents, our whole life in it, that thing we used to carry in our pocket, right?

[00:02:37]Now we're terrified of having our cell phones hacked, stolen, even of forgetting our cell phone password, right? My whole life is in there, right? My work, my family, my contacts. I don't remember my cell phone number anymore, do I? We'll have to check the landline phone number at the agency. So, if I don't have that, I'm simply unable to connect with the world. Well, criminals are now being treated differently, you know. The police are beginning to see it not just as a simple robbery, but as a truly fundamental one.

[00:03:14]I think this point is very important because the law brought, in addition to increasing the penalty, in a much greater way, in case that salary was stolen, you now have the treatment of cybercrime. I think this changes the landscape a bit in terms of how things will be handled from now on.

[00:03:38]Leonardo Santana, what do you think of this new legislation and what are the expected impacts on guaranteeing the safety of Brazilian women and men who want to use their cell phones more freely?

[00:03:52]Good morning to the Marcelos, to Sibell, and to everyone watching us right now. Well, there was a need for a complete change in this social dynamic, as Marcelo Naj rightly pointed out; today we no longer have a cell phone for communication. And this change, it's not just about the user, but it's also about the criminal's behavior. The cell phone ended up becoming a goldmine for him. There I have the bank passwords, there I have access to documents that can be used for other types of crime besides just those committed using a cell phone. Yes, we do have products that, if you were to walk into a store and buy them today, would be worth around R$15,000, R$20,000, or even R$1,000, some with all the other extras they come with. And this, obviously, brings the attraction of that social aggressor. However, it's not just that, it 's not just the price of the device. How much is all the data I have to access my bank worth, for example? And we still have a lot of people who go to a notepad, or some other application, and put in the bank's name and password, right? And sometimes it's not just personal numbers, personal data, but also the numbers of the father, the mother, and all those around them who use that equipment or depend on the numbers that were registered for that equipment. Now, we also have another important point, and this involves what we characterize as the economics of crime. The criminal, the one who commits this crime, theft or robbery, seeks less and less to subject himself to a risky situation. And when I take the cell phone, you know, in a furtive way, in a hidden way, committing theft, or even when I use force to take the cell phone from that person, I have a lot of money in my hand, I have a lot of data in my hand. So, the return is quite positive for those who get involved in this type of crime.

[00:06:17]It's a crime that really worries a lot of people. It is one of the biggest fears of Brazilians when we talk about public safety. According to research from the Brazilian Forum on Public Security, fear of this type of crime is the fourth biggest concern in terms of public safety for our population. And speaking of the population, we're now going to bring in the participation of our online viewers who are following the program. Sibunes, what do you bring for us?

[00:06:48]Well, this week we asked our audience what their biggest concern is when their cell phone is stolen.

[00:06:55]And the biggest concern right now is regarding the data. 79% of people said their biggest concern is regarding banking data and financial apps, in other words, access to banks, right? 21% of people said it relates to photos, files, and other types of applications. I'm going to bring Erica's question from Rio de Janeiro to Marcelo about being blocked.

[00:07:25]What is the time limit we have to block a cell phone after it has been stolen?

[00:07:31]Look, when you get robbed, the important thing is not to panic, right?

[00:07:37]It has to be quick, it needs to be very quick to resolve this situation.

[00:07:42]Why? The scammer, right, the thief, actually ends up working at Google there, right, in the world where he takes this cell phone and hands it over to someone who already specializes in blocks there. Yes, they 're already experts at that, right? To start searching within the phone for financial apps, right?

[00:08:01]So, at this moment, he will try to access his bank account. To say: "No, but how will he access my bank if he doesn't have a seat, right? But you just did your biometrics there, for example, facial or fingerprint, right? He can register his too because the cell phone is unlocked, right? So he will very quickly be able to access the bank.

[00:08:23]So this care that we have to take to contact the financial institution immediately is very important. Why? What will this criminal try to do? He will try to withdraw money from there, probably using the fastest means that exists today in our country, which is Pix, right? When he makes a Pix transfer and sends that money against you, there is even a special mechanism for reimbursement, right? If you can get the bank to confirm that a transaction was made, you can get that money back. The problem is if he has already withdrawn that money from that account and already dispersed it. What will happen is that there won't be enough time. The bank won't be able to solve the problem and return that money. So, time is crucial, folks. We can't say : "Oh, it will be resolved within 24 hours." It wo n't, because this Money can spread like wildfire, and your headache is just beginning.

[00:09:19]Ah, Leonardo, I wanted you to complete Marcelo's answer, and of course, bringing up a point, he talked about how quickly money spreads.

[00:09:32]Once someone has a cell phone, they can start transferring money rapidly. And the law also has a greater implication for so-called " orange accounts," because this money goes through Pix (Brazil's instant payment system), goes to some account, and since everything is digital today, it's all recorded, it will arrive in some account that can be identified. But before the new law, these so-called " orange accounts" were considered secondary within the robbery and theft scheme, and today they become accomplices. What is the impact of this?

[00:10:07]Look, the impact is very large and begins with the trust and credibility of the government, with the trust and credibility of the State, because before, as a citizen, I couldn't see that the government was concerned about me, that the security institutions were concerned about me, that this criminal justice system, so that security professional who is out there on the street, in a little while... The police station, uh, all of this going up to the Public Prosecutor's Office, to the courts. I couldn't talk to anyone specifically about this fragmentation. And today it became very clear that this is a format highly used by criminals. It makes things as difficult as possible. Marcelo was very right to bring up this situation, uh, uh, the recovery of these funds. If I distribute it to five, six people, or even a smaller number of people, uh, I already start creating all sorts of difficulties. At the same time, today we still have the unfortunate fact that the creation of these crimes is connected to this fragmentation.

[00:11:27]In what sense? Today I have people who rent their personal data so that I can open a bank account, a digital account with all the facilitators of a digital account, and then that account is closed. And the difficulty I have in proving this is very great. So, this change in the way the State sees the citizen, how it can offer them tools, offer them public policies to recover their money, has this impact on trust, on credibility. And it even allows those who thought, "Look, I'm not going to the police station, I'm not going to have access to monitoring from institutions regarding my work."

[00:12:19]Not anymore. We're now bringing about this new change in mentality. Citizens are starting to think: "Wow, they're concerned about me now, there's legislation, there's a way for me to at least minimize my losses." So, it's very important that we bring this new perspective, not only from the government but also from the citizen, when they become aware of all the details that this new legal measure brings.

[00:12:51]Well, internet users continue to send us questions here on Senado Live, and one of the concerns, of course, is whether cell phones are stolen. Now, speaking specifically about the device, we'll talk about data, we'll continue talking about data as well, but when we talk about theft of the device, it's because there are people who buy them. And some internet users sent us questions specifically asking about this illegal market. Sabrina from São Paulo, Eduardo from Rondônia, and Ana from Goiás sent questions. So, we're talking about this. I'm not going to read all three questions, but Eduardo wants to know how to hold these receiving networks accountable, those that profit from this type of crime. Completing this question from our viewers, I'll ask Marcelo to comment on the " Secure Cell Phone" app and how this app can guarantee at least a little more security, both in relation to the device, the possibility of recovering a stolen device, and what worries people most, which is the data stored inside. And then Leonardo completes our question.

[00:14:12]Marcelo, so when our cell phone is stolen, we have to, as I said, be very quick to try to notify all the relevant authorities so that this criminal doesn't do anything with the device that could harm us.

[00:14:32]What I normally recommend, right? The first thing isn't going to the police, right? I would leave that as a last point, but no less important, going to the police, right? But first, what would I do? I would try to block my cell phone with the carrier. Regarding the phone system, you know, so that he doesn't receive any SMS messages, so that he can't make any calls. Normally we say, " I forgot my password," and the password arrives via SMS. And then the criminal will know the password to access your app.

[00:15:04]After that, I would contact the banks to block everything, contact the credit card companies, getting the protocol number to then file a police report about all of this. Look at the work involved. If I install the government app, the " Secure Cell Phone" app, it will automatically send a notification to all these agencies, to the banks, to the operator, and even block your device through that unique code, which is the email. And it will do all this work of generating the block, provided that a person who is registered is your trusted person, which could be your son, your wife, an uncle, right? Open the " Secure Cell Phone" app on that person's phone, and let them know that your Your cell phone was stolen, right?

[00:16:03]Right now, this app that's installed on your stolen phone will block it and send out all the notifications. So, it'll be much faster, right? It's not 100% guaranteed, because the criminal might be faster than your trusted contact and could do something first, but it helps, right? Of course, it's a great help. So here's a tip for the people who follow our secure cell phone program. Just type these two words into your app, it can be Android or Apple if you have an iPhone, and download the app, follow the steps, because it's a way to make your device a little safer. Now, going back to the issue of receiving stolen goods, Leonardo, are you from the public security area?

[00:16:54]Why can't we stop these networks that steal, receive, and sell these devices? And what are the consequences for someone who buys a cell phone of unknown origin that could be stolen property, could be the result of a crime? Look, Marcelo, this doesn't plague us today... This type of receiving stolen goods doesn't only affect those dealing with cell phones; it also involves cable theft, vehicle parts theft, and a range of other items.

[00:17:36]This already demonstrates that our legislation has a vacuum, a flaw, and needs [clearing throat] a change in its dynamics. And we've noticed a bit of that in relation to the changes that have occurred in the law. So this is a fundamental point that we can't forget to mention.

[00:17:57]The absence of this previous behavior leads to alarming numbers, which shows that there is a lot of profit in this criminal environment. In 2024, for example, we're talking about more than 850,000 cell phones that were stolen. And in this sense, we realize that not only is the device an instrument for criminal organizations to gain a financial advantage and profit, but also the parts of these devices. And this is also part of what another type of receiver likes very much, if they put themselves in a situation of great profit from it. So, the entire device is already worth quite a bit, but even if the data can't be retrieved for some reason, due to secure phone use or any other tool used, those phone parts also have value. That's where we get into the aspect of oversight, we get into the aspect of regulation, or rather, regulation of who will provide this type of service. So, all these people are registered to provide this service, issue an invoice, and be properly registered with the government.

[00:19:26]Is that also becoming necessary? Because otherwise, I could hand over the parts of a disassembled phone to anyone else, claiming that in one way or another that phone belongs to my brother, to some family member, and I'd still be offering advantages in this dynamic. So, yes, it's something we have to worry about. We have cases that might seem like a big joke, but I remember a YouTuber who went to China to participate in an event.

[00:19:58]Her brother was in Brazil. At some point, he managed to access the search for her stolen cell phone through the computer. The cell phone was in China, very close to where she was participating in this event. So, it may seem like a big joke, it may seem like a fairy tale, but it's not. It's profitable to have equipment that is stolen here and it's worthwhile for it to be sent to China. This raises another red flag; it 's not just in national territory, but internationally, we also need to have a dynamic that considers those who have had their property stolen.

[00:20:39]Yes, we will continue here with more security tips so that people don't go through this type of situation. And the message is always the same: for those who buy a used cell phone, observe, get the invoice, check the origin of the device, because a secure cell phone even emits alerts when you buy a device that may be stolen or the result of robbery or theft. And this also puts you as part of this situation, which is an illegal situation.

[00:21:11]Sibele Nunes, more people are bringing us questions on social media.

[00:21:15]What do you bring up now?

[00:21:16]Yes, another question for Marcelo.

[00:21:18]Going back to people's big concern, which is bank data, once the data is lost after a cell phone is stolen, is the bank obligated to return or reimburse the value? How does that work, Marcelo? Well, the bank will return the value if it manages to recover it, right? Unless you have insurance against unauthorized withdrawals via Pix, which is a type of insurance.

[00:21:48]In another interview, like this one I had, I questioned the people at Pebraban about why cyber insurance didn't exist at the time, specifically regarding PIPs for cell phones. Because when I was inside a branch that was robbed, the bank was responsible for it, right? Because I was on the bank's premises. But from the moment I'm no longer in the bank, on the physical premises, the responsibility becomes entirely the citizen's. But the cell phone is in my pocket, right? The bank is still involved. So, how does that work? Unfortunately, it's understood that the responsibility lies with the citizen. So the bank will try to return the money using a special return mechanism, taking the money from your account, trying to recover it, right? If the money isn't in the destination account, there's nowhere to get it from. The bank won't be responsible for that. " Oh, but can I file a lawsuit?"

[00:22:48]Yes, you can. And then we need to explain, convince the judge, that the loss didn't happen due to your negligence, but because of a security flaw. And that's where the difficulty begins, explaining all of this, right? It's very complicated. I advise anyone who can to get this type of insurance, digital insurance, and it will prevent this.

[00:23:14]Well, these are some security measures people can take, like getting insurance to ensure that their data, especially their banking data and finances, are not targeted by criminals.

[00:23:32]So there's another tip. Now, to prevent this from happening, Leonardo, give people some advice. What can they do to avoid it? What kind of behavior can make life easier for criminals? A thief might be tempted to steal someone's cell phone, but how can you protect yourself?

[00:23:49]Well, some behaviors are perfectly avoidable today. The first is not showing that you have that cell phone, especially the more modern ones. That's the first thing a criminal will look for – that demonstration, right? They'll say, " Wow, I have the latest model, I have brand X, which is supposedly better than brand Y." So you're already giving the aggressor, the criminal, the main clue that you're a better target than someone who isn't showing their phone or whose phone number isn't visible.

[00:24:33]So, it doesn't hurt to keep your phone hidden when you're walking around with it, to hide it in a way that prevents it from being seen. Headphones are very cheap these days; they allow you to answer calls without having to touch them. So, that 's one of the important points we can usually mention. There are other places where cell phones are often observed, such as large events.

[00:25:08]Sporting events, big music events.

[00:25:11]We have groups specialized in staying in those places. These are events that happen at night, for example, or there's that large gathering of people, the trend, you know, of making that video, posting a story or anything like that, again, you're exposing your equipment. Now, when you remove that from the equation, something that's also interesting to comment on is going back in time a little and remembering that little notebook we used to have, because if nothing works preventively, if I ask now, " What's your bank's Pix number?" Very few people will remember what it is.

[00:25:57]Some have the cell phone number, others have other mechanisms. And we also have some banking institutions, Marcelo and whoever is listening now, where to talk to the manager, for example, to report something, the bank's app, on that cell phone that was raised, is the only communication mechanism, the only contact mechanism. So, adding to what I've already said, this other aspect of prevention is important. The email that Marcelo mentioned—very few people will know what the email address associated with their cell phone is now. They never wrote it down, never put it anywhere. So we're also bringing up this opportunity along with this preventative aspect.

[00:26:36]Well, we're going to talk about this email, which is a code that identifies the cell phone. We 'll ask this question shortly, and I'll ask Marcelo to provide this information and also some protection tips to avoid digital crimes, right? Those that are committed without taking your cell phone out of your pocket. Sometimes the thief doesn't need to take your cell phone out of your pocket. They invade your cell phone somehow and then obtain data and often manage to extract money and other sensitive information that needs to be protected.

[00:27:13]We're going to end the program here on TV Senado, but we'll continue on social media. If you're watching us on TV, go to our YouTube, Facebook, and TikTok channels, and we'll continue this conversation. Now there are more security tips. And remember, TV Senado Live airs every Friday at 9 am, bringing you... Topics of interest to you and the participation of you internet users who follow TV Senado. Remember, on TV Senado, democracy is every day.

[00:27:49]So, let's continue our conversation here. I was saying, Marcelo, Leonardo mentioned the email, this code. I wanted you to explain a little to us what it is, how a person discovers this code, which is so important to have written down. And going back a bit to the issue of the Secure Cell Phone app, it now has a feature that allows you to block all accounts, functions, access, and keep that email. Does this code help in the case of a possible recovery for police tracking?

[00:28:25]Without a doubt, right? The email today is a unique number on your device, it's a worldwide number, right? Each device has its own email. It serves so that the police can even make this judgment when we have a case of receiving stolen goods, right? The police can identify that the product that the person has was stolen. The Pará police started doing this work.

[00:28:52]Leonardo, after running, If I'm wrong, uh, I remember the people from Pará started doing this, having a single registry, right? Where, when the police received a police report that a certain email address had been stolen, they kept that information in the registry. And when someone tried to activate a new phone with that phone, with that email address, with the restriction, the police would find out and could notify the person who was receiving stolen goods, in an agreement with the Public Prosecutor's Office to be able to issue a judicial notification. I mean, it was a joint effort that the police in the state of Pará did. This started to spread now, right? Here in São Paulo, it also started to be done. I just want to say, I think it's super important, but people often forget the email address when they go to file a police report, they don't have it written down. If there's a receipt, the email address is there. Whoever keeps the mailbox has the email address. Marcelo, I don't have anything, no problem. Take your phone. Now, open the phone, like you're going to make a call, right? Dial this: Hashtag 06 Hashtag.

[00:30:06]You'll see the device. Wow. Write it down in a notebook like Leonardo suggested. It'll work.

[00:30:13]Let's repeat this tip, Marcelo, because this one is important. For those of you who didn't keep your phone box, for those of you who didn't keep your receipt, Marcelo explained here how you can find the email code, which is a very important code for guaranteeing the security of your phone. home.

[00:30:31]He can track a stolen cell phone, and even if that cell phone is received by someone, bought by someone who sometimes even buys it in good faith, when they go to activate the cell phone with the carrier, a message will appear saying: "This cell phone is stolen."

[00:30:46]Marcelo, please just repeat for us how to find your email code for those who don't have the documentation for it, who didn't keep the box or the invoice.

[00:30:57]Perfect. Look, it doesn't matter what brand your device is. You picked up your cell phone, opened that screen that almost nobody uses anymore, the call screen, right?

[00:31:07]The one you type in, the keyboard on the phone. You will type asterisk tic-tac- toe 06 tic-tac- toe. Right now, your number will be shown to you. No matter what model your relative has, you 'll be able to get it. And write that down on a piece of paper, keep it safe so that, unfortunately, if you go through this Google situation, you have the email saved there at home in a safe place.

[00:31:37]Remember, everyone, write this down on paper too, so you don't rely solely on your cell phone, because after all, if your phone gets stolen, how are you going to find this information, right? Cibelle Nunes, do you have any more questions from our social media? What do you bring now?

[00:31:50]Let's show our guests another poll. We also asked our audience where they are most afraid to take their cell phones out of their pockets these days. And most people said they are in urban centers, in big cities and on deserted streets. 67%.

[00:32:10]33% of people responded that they are on public transport. And I'm going to bring up a very objective question from Carlos da Bahia for Marcelo. Is it possible to track a cell phone that's turned off?

[00:32:27]Well, depending on the device, yes, I do have it, right? The new Apple phones, right? If I'm not mistaken, from version 13 onwards, you can track this device even when it's turned off, because it retains some battery power, right? It resets the device when the battery runs out, right? Or if it's turned off and you're still here, uh, you'll be able to do this tracking like this, but only if you have this feature enabled, right? So, uh, you have to go there and retrieve it from iCloud, right? You also have to enable the search function on Google, otherwise no one will be able to get your phone number. But hey, be careful, okay? It's good to have it enabled so you can reset your data if it's been stolen. And you're going to try to locate that phone, even though you're not a police officer, right?

[00:33:17]Even an agent needs support, right? That's how a lot of people end up getting hurt and even dying because they ca n't confront the criminal, right? Yeah, that's dangerous.

[00:33:31]This part is something we should come back to Leonardo about, because it's a very important point. I've been through a situation like that before; actually, it wasn't my device, luckily it was a family member's device that was stolen. And there is a way to locate the device.

[00:33:46]Apple has its own ways.

[00:33:49]It's also possible with phones that use the Android operating system. Sometimes when you log into another device, you enter some data or the phone number of that cell phone, and it becomes possible to track it. And in fact I managed to locate, to see in which neighborhood here in the Federal District that cell phone was located, with a fairly precise location. And I felt like, Leonardo, getting together, you know, grabbing a friend, like, let's go, let's go get that cell phone. Whoa, hold on a minute. I have some friends who are in the Military Police here in the Federal District. And then I talked to them about it, and they said, "Marcelo, don't mess with this, ask them to file a police report. And well, I'm not going to say who's going to talk about this, it's you, Leonardo. What to do in a situation like this? You see it there, you found it, you know where the cell phone is?

[00:34:39]What to do?

[00:34:41]Well, the first thing is to maintain rationality, even though we know it's very difficult to do that.

[00:34:50]We know there are people who, for example, paid the first, the [clearing throat] second installment of that cell phone that will be paid in 10 installments, right? Wow, it makes you very angry, but it's necessary that you control your emotions, especially because we're not just talking about the most basic part of distributing this cell phone, that person who will dismantle it or that person who already has a specific destination for that device.

[00:35:21]Sometimes it's someone who may have, for example, a drug debt, when you think it's just a location and someone will very willingly return it to you, that's not going to happen. It could be A drug dealing point, and your cell phone is being used as payment. So, the risk levels are increasing more and more. It's important to say that the police, in general, have equipped themselves very well, right? We already have police stations that deal with more specific crimes.

[00:35:54]So, when you bring this equipment, when you present that cell phone tracking tool, we do have an opportunity to recover that equipment, and, especially the police, they need to collect some other data, they need to collect some other information from this crime scene so that when it reaches the courts it doesn't become a problem even for the cell phone owner, in addition to the risk we talked about a little earlier. So, emotion has to be put aside and you should trust, even if it takes a little longer, even if it turns into a loss for public security agents, so that you, the owner of that equipment, don't put yourself in an unnecessary risk situation.

[00:36:51]The issue involves the care that people need to take with their devices, it involves the State in its role. To guarantee public safety, because it is the state's obligation to ensure this. The Senate approved Law 15,397 of 2026, which toughens penalties only against these crimes, but what matters to the population is precisely the guarantee of security.

[00:37:21]So, to complete our conversation here, I'm going to ask our two experts, each one will be able to talk about their area of ​​expertise, to give some final tips for people. Marcelo, the final tips so that people don't fall for online scams, digital crimes, and then Leonardo, reinforcing the need for caution so that people don't have their devices stolen. Marcelo, please.

[00:37:52]Well, I think it's important for people to understand that digital crime is paying off much more than the armed robbery that people used to commit, like car theft, because someone can steal one car for many people, right? So they keep trying this all day long. Be careful with the links you receive, whether on WhatsApp or other means. Email or SMS. When in doubt, don't. A link is a gateway to take you to a fake website or download something onto your device, right? Installing something on your device so it can be remotely controlled without you knowing what you're doing. So, avoid that, avoid using public Wi-Fi, right? Use your 4G or 5G, ask a question so you can get out because communications from an antenna whose origin you don't know can be intercepted, right? I also recommend that when you receive messages about a raffle, you didn't even enter a raffle, why would you believe that story given the social engineering of these scammers? Engineering is the art of deliberately deceiving you, right? They will try to trick you with a good story to convince you that you are talking to a trustworthy person. So stay away from that, right? And look, avoid passwords like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 to unlock your device. Well, birthdate, wedding anniversary, because that's the first thing they'll try to find out, they'll search for you on social media and you'll give all that information away. You can't be too careful.

[00:39:39]Leonardo, what are some tips for people to avoid these losses caused by cell phone criminals? Look, the first thing we say is that today, as you rightly started this conversation, Marcelo, it's no longer just a device, it's a tool, as I said before, that brings you a gold mine.

[00:40:07]It's a tool that brings you a gold mine. So, it's fundamental that you keep that in mind from then on. What else do we need to inform you about? You need to be in control of your defense. All this large-scale preventive aspect, I said, Marcelo also said, depends on you, from writing down your email address, from knowing your Pix number, from the contact number of the bank you use most. Put it all down on a piece of paper. If you're a little more tech-savvy, write everything down, send it. An email to yourself, because you can access that email from anywhere. And of course, don't turn that cell phone into a tool for social recognition, right, to say that you have more or less money.

[00:41:00]We go to the mall, we see young people hanging their cell phones from their waistbands to show off. Mine has the three dots because that mark, when there's a cell phone there, right, with that special camera, already indicates that my cell phone is more expensive.

[00:41:17]Anyway, unfortunately we have this behavior and it should be avoided.

[00:41:23]So, having all this preventive process, everything that precedes what you yourself can do, and when you don't, the criminal puts you first, puts you as the first victim. Doing all this, preventing yourself, is ideal so that you don't become a victim of these criminals, these people who, as I said, won't just take your cell phone, they'll take much more data, they'll cause you much greater harm. So, be in control of your defense.

[00:42:03]First of all, here are some tips for the people who participate in our program. There are thousands of people following TV Senado Live on TikTok, Facebook, and X as well, and I appreciate all the questions that have been sent by our viewers. And of course, remember the tips here from Marcelo Nad, a cybersecurity expert, and Leonardo Santana, a public security expert, because not only your data, but a stolen cell phone can also lead criminals to people in your social circle, your family. Sometimes your mother or father receives a message from a stolen cell phone, and this can make them vulnerable as well. Of course, what we want is for security to be not a concern, but a certainty for our population. Legislation is moving towards this. It is part of us citizens, it is part of the State to guarantee security, and it is part, of course, of the Federal Senate, the National Congress, to create laws that will toughen penalties against criminals and thus guarantee the security that we all expect.

[00:43:19]Marcelo Naj, my namesake. And Leonardo Santana. Once again, thank you very much for your participation in our program. Cbele Nunes, always grateful as well for bringing the participation of our internet users, the questions.

[00:43:33]Thank you very much and until our next program.

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