God's Trolley Problems

[00:00:00]As an atheist, you shouldn't care because you have no standard of what God is or what morals are, this shouldn't bother you that much. If if if you're just if you if you don't know if you don't even know where stuff comes from, if you don't know where morals come from, this stuff shouldn't really bother you as much. Cuz if I ask you why was this wrong and you would you would say because this you would say actually rational things to justify it. I would ask you why do you feel feel that way?

[00:00:26]You ever heard of the the five people um on this one side of the train, the one person, which one would you choose? I mean, >> I love that. Yeah. So, the trolley problem is great. It's a great example.

[00:00:37]So, as atheists, we look at the trolley problem and we we look at the world around us and we go, okay, what would be the best for like what's the most beneficial for humanity uh for the the worldwide uh thing or maybe just for my community? Like there's a lot of different things that might help us uh guide us to get to our answer. But what about with God? What's the answer to the trolley problem in the Christian worldview?

[00:01:02]>> Oh, the I mean the in the Christian worldview, I don't know about the modern Jewish world, but in the Christian worldview, we would have no authority to uh make that the decision.

[00:01:12]>> So, you let the five people die.

[00:01:15]>> Oh, no, no, no. I'm just saying I I would I wouldn't I wouldn't make it. I'd probably um >> that's that's the scenario is you're barreling towards five people.

[00:01:24]>> No, no. I'm saying I let I mean I'd probably let both of them if it came to I'd probably hope for the best. But I can't just make a decision like >> you you wouldn't pull the thing to save the five people.

[00:01:35]That's that's what Christian morals is leading you to. Five people die instead of one.

[00:01:39]>> I'm saying when it comes when it comes to stone, don't try to paint me as like a moral monster. I'm saying when it comes to taking someone's life and unless unless the one person was willing to give up their life, then I would do it. But I'm not as far as taking someone's life rather be one.

[00:01:52]>> Wow.

[00:01:52]>> Five or one. I'm not going to make I'm not saying I want >> That's a good reason to No, no one wants the five people to to die. But that's what's going to happen though, right?

[00:02:01]That's what's going to happen, right?

[00:02:03]>> Yeah. But what about the one person?

[00:02:04]What are you going to say about him?

[00:02:06]>> That's That's awful. It's terrible. It's tragic, but it's five times less tragic.

[00:02:12]What if he doesn't want to die? What What if he's begging?

[00:02:14]>> None of them want to die. What if there was a hundred people and one person?

[00:02:20]>> Oh, I I can't I can't act on that. And obviously, this is a hypothetical. I mean, I mean, this is this is this is what I'm This is the whole point in real life.

[00:02:28]>> So, Endure, here's what I'm saying. As an atheist, maybe I don't know where morals come from, but I'm able to like look at the world around me, gather data, uh make some decisions about what I think would be most beneficial for everybody, and then talk to people and get some ideas from them and try to share my ideas with them, and then we like save the hundred people uh at the cost of the one. But just to be clear, the Christian moral view is to let a hundred people die.

[00:02:55]>> That's not the gee, why do you make such extreme general? I'm one Christian out of many that might disagree. What are you like? What are you saying?

[00:03:01]>> Oh, are I'm sorry. Sorry. So, you're saying you have the incorrect moral stance?

[00:03:06]>> No. Why are you Why are you going from one extreme next to make the Christian worldview look bad? I'm one Christian.

[00:03:12]>> I'm asking you about your >> One person might disagree with me. I mean I mean why are you saying >> and so are you that person? Do you disagree with what you just said?

[00:03:20]>> Do I disagree with what I said? No. Let me >> Do you think Do you think that the morally correct thing to do is to let a hundred people die?

[00:03:26]>> No. I was saying the moral the morally concise thing is to not even take on that power to dictate who lives and who.

[00:03:35]That should indicate that I don't want anyone to die. I'm saying I don't >> Nobody wants anyone to die.

[00:03:42]My point is you >> endure. I'm not saying you want people to die. You're letting Do you not That's why I'm asking. Are you sure you know?

[00:03:48]>> I'm saying but if I don't speak up for myself, you're going to insinuate that naturally progressive.

[00:03:52]>> The way you're speaking, I don't think you know what the trolley scenario is.

[00:03:56]Can you explain it to me or do you want me to explain it to you?

[00:03:59]>> Oh. Oh, it it it's pointing out the morality in people and usually people pick one or the other.

[00:04:04]>> What's the hypothetical? Like lay it out. Here's like you're you're there's a 100 people on a track and then what?

[00:04:10]>> There's a there's a there's I mean I don't know if it's 100 in the original thing, but there's a a a plural number of people on the track and there's one.

[00:04:20]Which which one are you going to choose?

[00:04:22]say >> the train is already coming. It is going to kill 100 people. If you don't act, 100 people die, >> right? I'm But you can still choose between the the the the the one person or the or the that's that's part of it.

[00:04:40]Look up the an the analogy. It's a choice.

[00:04:43]>> I understand that. But you you're acting like I'm not going to do anything so everyone lives. I'll draw it down. Let's let's draw it out. We'll draw it out cuz I I feel like you're going back and forth a bit and maybe I'm just confused by it and sometimes >> perhaps perhaps but if if >> this will help us stay on track here just a little bit of like some a bit of a track uh pun here because there's going to be train tracks in this.

[00:05:07]Uh it would go like this.

[00:05:13]Okay, this is like a train track and down here there is a trolley and it has spikes on the front and then right here is a track split.

[00:05:29]Over here is one person. It's me.

[00:05:32]>> Oh, I mean I don't want to I don't want to kill you.

[00:05:35]>> Over here is a hundred people. It's a it's a do there's 600 people in chat.

[00:05:42]chats over here. They're having like a track orgy. So, they're they're confused. They don't know what's going on. They're just all over on top of each other. This one's over here. This one's got his dick going into that person's dick. And then like this person's laying across all of them cuz they just want to sniff it all. And like it just keeps going. Like there's a bunch of people arms and like this leg sticking out like one tit thing happening. And that just goes up 600. Uh and two >> and two. Wow, dude specific.

[00:06:13]>> Yeah, that's just how many people are are in chat right now. The trolley is going to kill everyone in chat. And and this isn't a thing where they're like, "Oh no, we're going to die." So, we're [ __ ] They were already They were already doing it. You I mean, you were invited to the orgy, but you were like, "I just want to watch." So, you're over here.

[00:06:33]Uh-oh. You see a trolley coming and you realize you're standing right next to the switch that will make the track divert to me.

[00:06:46]So if you do nothing, how many people die?

[00:06:49]>> Oh, if if I do nothing, uh, 602 people die. But the comment is I want them to die. That's that's the if I don't speak up for myself, you're going to insinuate that >> you don't want them to die, >> right? And then when I say I don't I don't like I don't want I don't want to make a decision unless unless you willfully said you would be willing to die. I would pull that lever in a in a heartbeat. But if you're unwilling if you're unwilling to die, I'm not going to look you in your eyes and say you're going to freaking die. That's that's not what I'm going to do. I'm going to say it's >> an unfortunate I don't know what's coming. I'm over here. I'm taking a nap because I finished first.

[00:07:23]>> But it if you personally if you knew that was going to happen, would you sacrifice?

[00:07:26]>> Not cuz I'm like quick or anything. It's just I do it really good, right? And I was like, I'm on time. So I was like the first one there anyways. I probably finished before they all showed up. So I'm just like laying down. I'm having a nap. So you don't know if I want to die or not.

[00:07:39]>> Oh, I'm asking if you did. If if you wanted if you wanted to die, then I I'm >> in the scenario. You don't know.

[00:07:45]>> You don't know. Then no, I'm not going to act. I'm going to look at it and be like, dang, that was horrible. And do you think that that decision to allow 602 people die instead of act on one dying is the morally correct decision?

[00:08:00]>> You don't even know where morals come from. Why are you making morally correct?

[00:08:04]>> That's why I'm not asking me. I'm asking you.

[00:08:07]>> But if if I answer a certain way, you're going to get offended because you got >> Do you know where morals come from?

[00:08:12]>> Do I know? I claim to. You You claim to not know. You can't really be offended by anything.

[00:08:17]>> But do you know where they come from?

[00:08:19]You don't agree with why? Why? Why would I >> I'm asking you what you think, dude. Why are you arguing with me right now? Do you >> I'm not arguing with you, but I know if I answer a certain way, you're going to be like, "Oh, God. That's ridiculous."

[00:08:30]>> No, no. I That's what I think it is already. Isn't that Is that not right?

[00:08:33]You think morals come from God, right?

[00:08:35]>> Right. But there's a little belittling tactic you do.

[00:08:38]>> No. I I just want to understand where you're coming from, buddy. In this scenario, you're saying that the morally correct thing to do objectively according to God is to let these 602 orgy participants die rather than take the life of one. Is that correct? I am saying since I care for human beings like in my Christian paradigm like obviously not ancient ancient Judea because you got you know the horrible pillillage stuff but under the Christian paradigm with Jesus and all that but you know live live by the sword die by the sword type thing. I can't make that decision. I look at you and I look I see I see life. I see a human. I see eyes. If if you don't want to die I just can't bring myself to just >> So here's my here's my next question. Can't argue against that. You didn't know the train was coming.

[00:09:30]>> Here's my next question then since uh that wasn't an answer.

[00:09:35]>> It is. What are you talking about? Don't don't don't belittle my answer by saying it's not an answer. That's ridiculous.

[00:09:40]>> You talked for five minutes and I don't know what the answer was. But but >> I told you it seems like you're going to let it go based off of your own things.

[00:09:48]You were like based off my >> You're doing the same thing.

[00:09:51]>> Yes, absolutely. That's what I'm saying.

[00:09:53]We're both doing the same thing. You're the one has no ground. It's just rational. That's where that rationality comes from.

[00:09:59]>> Endure. You didn't ground yours in God.

[00:10:02]You just said all the stuff you think.

[00:10:04]>> That's what I would do. What would God say is the right thing to do?

[00:10:07]>> The right thing to do. He he he would say, "I think I may I he wouldn't allow you to make that decision."

[00:10:15]>> So, he doesn't want you to help these innocent people at the cost of someone else. if he wants you to help all all all the people. He he he wouldn't want you to dick like like like I said before. So you can know I'm human and don't because this is this is the this is the whole is he freaking out like that. I'm literally just trying to have conversation. I know people like to paint that freaking out thing to make me look like I'm nervous but I'm not. But I'm trying to act like I'm human cuz you don't think Christians are human beings.

[00:10:38]I'm looking at you.

[00:10:39]>> Let me let me change something on this.

[00:10:40]Let me make this a little easier.

[00:10:41]>> I'm looking at you and I don't want you to die. I'm not going to make that decision.

[00:10:44]>> I understand that. Let's get rid of me.

[00:10:46]There's no one over here.

[00:10:48]>> Yeah. Would you act?

[00:10:51]>> There's no There's no reason that Wait, I'm Oh, I got I got to know what's going on first. Let me choose carefully. Let me choose carefully.

[00:10:58]>> The The train with spikes is going to kill 600 people.

[00:11:02]>> Yeah, of course. See, see what you just You tried to paint me as a as a m See, you don't even know the content.

[00:11:06]>> What's weird is that you're having a hard time answering the easiest problem I've ever done.

[00:11:11]>> Easy. I know you want to paint me. You made it very >> Would you act in this one? Yes or no?

[00:11:15]>> Yes. Because there's no life life there's no one life at stake. It's easy to choose that the life to save the lives. Of course.

[00:11:21]>> Okay. So, acting to help people is good, but if it's at the cost of someone else, then it's bad. That's what you're saying, right?

[00:11:29]>> No. Oh, God. I mean, I think you you No offense. I I really don't want to insult you. You you you lack the ability for deep like thought and you can't comprehend it. So, you just think I'm I'm not answering you, but I really am.

[00:11:43]I'm going to answer you clearly. I'm going to ask you clearly. Endure, I'm going to I'm going to drop you right now. I'm so [ __ ] done with you. This is crazy. It's >> okay.

[00:11:52]>> I just said back to you exactly what happened. I just said back to you exactly what happened. He ran. Holy [ __ ] What an absolute coward. Are you kidding me?

[00:12:05]To to run on the easiest trolley problem ever. The other one was easy, too. Run me the [ __ ] over.

[00:12:14]Save the chat.

[00:12:17]By the way, the way that this plays out is really fun because then what you do is you say, "Okay, obviously the correct one is this. I agree, but I'm just using my ungrounded atheist um morals, right?

[00:12:31]But God thinks that's the right thing to do." Okay. Well, let's do WWJD.

[00:12:36]And now this is King Jesus himself, a shitty beard. nice robe. Would he intervene and save the 600 people or would he just let uh the drivers who set this all up?

[00:12:59]Would you let the drivers free will win out?

[00:13:06]What's the morally good thing to do?

[00:13:08]Surely it's not what uh what God would do. God would would would not act here.

[00:13:14]We know that because we've seen in the news where orgies have been hit by trains.