Trust Me: The False Prophet Recap Part 4 I See That Girl In Third Person

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[00:00:00]Hey everyone, welcome back to Notes of Self. My name is Melanie >> and I'm Corey, the one with the sense of humor today.

[00:00:08]>> Okay, fine. We're leaving.

[00:00:10]>> Okay, >> we've redone this intro like 10 times because apparently I don't have a sense of humor today. So, uh, >> oh, if you don't know who we are, we were both born and raised in a cult here in Utah. Um, I was raised with four mothers, 34 brothers and sisters, >> and my dad had nine wives, 39 kids, all living up in a compound in Pinedale, Montana.

[00:00:33]>> And my father is the current leader of the AUB or the Apostolic United Brethren >> and my dad is not, >> which is one of the largest, if not the largest polygamist grand cult here in America. So, we have been >> bragging rights, I guess.

[00:00:51]>> I know. I I just like I'm in royalty over here. But >> we've been watching the show Netflix uh Trust Me the False Prophet and giving you guys our thoughts on it. We're on episode four now and these are our we're going to give you guys our our thoughts on the whole thing. What's interesting about this whole show is um just the level just the different levels of psychological abuse that go on even with the most simpleminded person. There is um they they were they were said that Samuel Baitman, who this main false prophet in this series is, um suffered a traumatic brain injury and yet he still believed enough in himself that he could hear spirits, he could hear God, he could hear whatever and was able to control and manipulate these people. I don't know if that says more about him and his simpleton belief in himself or if it says more about the people who were duped by him, >> the conditioning of the way we grew up.

[00:01:59]So, >> right, >> and you as young children or young you you want to believe that your parents have the best in mind and and they're teaching you the absolute truth. And so even if there's uh blurring differences in what they're even teaching you, >> right?

[00:02:17]>> So yeah.

[00:02:19]>> Well, and it's been interesting because obviously this show is a hot topic among a ton of different creators. It's a hot topic in our house, too, because we were both born and raised in a very similar cult.

[00:02:31]>> Yet, we've kept our children far away from the cult that we were raised and they don't know a lot of the beliefs that we were raised with. And so for them to watch this is fascinating to them because they're like, "Is this really what you guys talk about online?"

[00:02:45]And we're like, "Yes, yes."

[00:02:47]>> And then the older three children when they deal with their father, biological father, who still has a lot of these same dupable tendencies where he can be duped very easily. It feels like um just based on some of the responses that he has given my children based on religion, right?

[00:03:08]he feels like he still could easily be duped by a false prophet. So, how it's really gotten us thinking a lot in just in the way that we even communicate with each other, the way that we communicate with our kids because one of the things that one of the girls in this show says is that she started questioning everything. And we'll go over some of that on here too. just started questioning everything like is my hope like I don't know what to believe where to believe and it and when you're raised in a cult like this it's every single answer like if you don't agree with something well are you questioning God >> yeah you you feel like you've been lied to once you start come out of uh the the high control you start to question everything you were told >> so it is it's not a bad No.

[00:04:02]>> So it's so that you become >> like how susceptible you are to being duped again.

[00:04:08]>> Yeah. Well, the interesting part on the beginning of this is gnomes uh we were raised our whole life to >> so you don't even know you're being duped.

[00:04:18]>> Yeah. We were raised our whole life to question and to fear the outsider, >> right? And so here all of these kids are raised up to fear somebody from the outside to have questions on it. And she brings that forward and he basically is like I'm the prophet. You don't you trust that I know what I'm doing type thing. And she should have said no but uh but she did. She was also trained to be obedient to the prophet. So when the prophet had no qualms about being filmed about anything, his ego let him get filmed on everything he was doing. So >> yeah, >> it is.

[00:04:59]>> So it is we I I'm so fascinated by the psychology of all of it.

[00:05:04]>> Especially because, >> you know, my ex-husband's going to be 60 years old this year. And >> to me, when I look at Yeah, that is pretty. When I look at even like some of the older men in here, uh, Liddell and and they're full grown men, like they're not young children who were possibly, I mean, maybe they were born and raised into this, but they're full grown men. What point, you know, we very distinctively heard Robin Brown say, "Your frontal lobe isn't developed until you're 25, but at what point in your life do you stop being duped into these types of things and you start making your own logical, rational uh, you know, decisions that aren't based on somebody else's belief system and what a god looks like for you or for your family." And so again, no judgment on it because hell, half the people I know are still in this. But that's what drives me to want to understand the psychology behind it is because why did I fall so into believing that until I didn't. And then when I didn't, it was like it seemed so clear that I didn't.

[00:06:18]But then I got duped again and went back. So I left the cult for two years and then went back. you know, one traumatic event in my life and I think God's coming after me and punishing me and so then I end up going back for two more years. What is the psychology behind some of that?

[00:06:36]>> Because it Yeah. Because it was part of our teaching too.

[00:06:40]>> The teaching was if we left the community, if we left the safety of the community, the order, our leaders, that we would be turned over to the buffetings of Satan.

[00:06:51]>> Right?

[00:06:51]>> So the minute life got difficult, Life's going to kick you in the ass.

[00:06:55]>> Yeah. Then all of a sudden you're like, "Oh my gosh, they were right." Something that they were right about, even though you question many other things.

[00:07:04]>> And then you come back and then you realize you, no, they weren't right.

[00:07:10]That was just another lie. Everybody's getting their teeth kicked in. So including those people in the community, for them it for them it's trials and tribulations.

[00:07:21]Uh >> well, and it's a >> growing experiences.

[00:07:25]>> It's hardships that you are familiar with. Yeah. Like I'm familiar with being jealous. I'm familiar with being but you go out into the world, >> the world, I guess you would call it.

[00:07:36]And you don't know what some of those hardships are because they weren't part of your life. And so it's like, do I want the hard that I know or do I want the hard that I don't know because I don't know what else comes with that hard. So yeah, the psych the psychology part of it is really even even in breaking down my own psychology at 24 when I left and then or 21 when I left and then went back when I was 24 because I was genuinely terrified that God was disappointed in me and that he was giving me these trials as a way to turn my heart towards him again. And I think that's one of the things that frustrates me the most when I watch um the dupability of people is because it's usually a weakness that they it's exploited by another human being.

[00:08:24]>> It's like oh I can tell that she doesn't want like I'm a people pleaser, right? I don't want my father to feel like I'm disappointing him. I don't want God to feel like I'm disappointing him. So somebody who's exploiting that would come up to me and be like, "Oh, you've disappointed God."

[00:08:42]>> Yep.

[00:08:42]>> Oh, you need to go back. You need to do all these things. So, I don't know, just some of the psychology. So, in bringing all that up, my point is is that we do try to encourage people to do their healing work on our channel because of these types of things. What causes?

[00:08:57]Again, you don't always have to understand why you do what you do, although I think for me at least that that helps for me to understand it. um doesn't necessarily change some of the hardships that I feel like I've had to go through, but it helps me understand why I did that.

[00:09:13]>> Yep.

[00:09:13]>> And then helps me to see something that I could heal so that I don't do that again if it's something that if it whatever didn't work >> for me.

[00:09:23]>> Yeah. It's a learning lesson. Yep.

[00:09:24]Learning lesson. And we're always trying to uh be better the next time we >> run into that uh obstacle, problem, things like that. How can I handle it better? We're discussing >> hey, we didn't we didn't like how the outcome that last conversation went with that person. Let's how would we rearrange that, >> right, >> the next time we go in? So, >> right. So again, we do encourage everybody to do your healing work just so that you for yourself, you know, can heal through things and not be duped by even your own psyche.

[00:10:01]How many times does our own psyche >> tell us something? Like I'm the one who told myself, "Oh, God's disappointed in me for leaving. I better go back." And then I went back and tell my psych till I was enough going, "Okay, enough is enough. I'm not doing this again." And um but it took some really really really dark heavy hard things for me to finally go okay enough is enough. So >> the the environment we were living in um is more difficult than hell. And you're willing to you're like I'm living in hell. I'm willing to risk hell to live at least on this part of my life uh here on Earth uh >> in a little bit better environment. So, let's create a better environment even though it's going to damn us to hell because I don't know. I felt like we grew up in >> some some good interactions, some things, but most of it was hell. So, >> most of it was absolute hell. And yet here we are being tortured almost terrified of what hell is out there. And it is it's like it's the evil that you do know versus the evil that you don't know or the hell that you do know versus the hell that you don't know. So um one of the things that I thought was kind of interesting on this episode too is um you're always Gnomes is constantly questioning, right?

[00:11:28]She's going to she's going to Sam again.

[00:11:31]This is where some of the mind, you know, gym mental gymnastics come in.

[00:11:37]She's going to Sam and she doesn't trust Christine or Toga and then Sam chastises her for not trusting him for trusting them.

[00:11:47]>> And so this goes right back into so many things I feel like we've said on this channel where women >> it it's sad because in one hand they talk about women are a gift, right?

[00:11:58]Women have init have um intuitional gifts and yet don't question that man.

[00:12:05]Don't bring those intuitions to me in question of something that I have already said.

[00:12:11]That's frustrating as a as a woman because we're told that we have these gifts. Just just take them over there and use them on other women. Don't use them on other on men. So gnomes can take her thoughts to Sam. Hey, I don't trust Christine. I think something's going on and Sam gets angry and frustrated with her because she he feels like it's a personal attack on him. Again, this is what I have said from very beginning that this is 100% ego- based. Everything is 100% ego-based because it's not, oh, let me listen to the counsel of one of my wives. It's you're you're not trusting me. Like, it's 100% his ego that gets involved at that point.

[00:12:54]>> Well, and she's very young at this point. So she's coming to him with concerns.

[00:12:59]>> Mid-4s and she's in her early 20s.

[00:13:01]>> Yeah. She hasn't perfected Robin's skill of going in and making it sound like it's his idea.

[00:13:07]>> Right.

[00:13:08]>> So, >> right.

[00:13:09]>> You don't trust that wife, do you? She hasn't perfected. She's just young learning the the processes of >> and that's it comes right back to what we were saying. You you what? You don't trust God. You're not you don't trust in what God says for you. And so then he comes back to her as if, you know, it's a God-given answer, not his own answer.

[00:13:29]So, I don't know, it's just interesting to me. That part of it was really was really fascinating to me. Another part that I wrote down um is that she from her very birth was blind obedience was what she was taught. So, she learned to be the most obedient wife possible.

[00:13:48]And um she does like I've seen it we've seen a ton of interviews with her since the documentary came out and she >> definitely has those crazy eyes in this in this series. One of the things that I think is interesting is women you'll see a light in them especially in in this religion. You'll see a light in them as they're growing up. It's attractive. All the older men want to be around that because they're just this vibrant, happy, go-lucky girl and then they get married and then >> the life is literally sucked right out of them.

[00:14:29]>> Then they're hunkered, they're humble, they're all of these other things. You can just see a complete change in their uh >> physical >> Yeah. behavior and stuff like that. You can see this in gnomes. She has like now if you look at her now versus when she was in this documentary, she looks like a completely different person.

[00:14:49]>> Phys her physical traits look completely different than they did in this documentary.

[00:14:54]>> Did do you think so?

[00:14:55]>> I do.

[00:14:57]>> So go ahead.

[00:14:58]>> No, just one other thing that I was right kind of along that those lines.

[00:15:04]I watching this documentary um the older wives in here, you don't see a lot of interaction or or yes, they interview some of the old older wives, but uh you I didn't see a lot of interaction between the older wives and Sam. Um and it's almost I I see Tolga and uh these guys talking to him, but it's almost like an ego boost to him. Oh, that's you're pretty talented on that.

[00:15:37]You're you're you're a good uh hiker.

[00:15:40]Stuff like that. These if if somebody was talking to me, I'd be like, "Are you talking down to me?" type thing. But he doesn't get that. They're boosting his ego, making a connection there. I don't see him talking. Uh what I do see is he's chastising Julia. So, he's almost like uh angry when he's talking to Julia in here, but then when he's talking to the girls, it it really is. I I don't know, Sam. Um but he does seem like he has more of a childlike mind. He's talking to the little girls, to his young wives as what what did he say here? Um, I'm going to get my bum pictures out.

[00:16:29]Things like that. He's going to pinch her bum. That's very adolescent. Uh, >> and he almost connects with them on this >> I don't know more child like thing where I don't see much interaction and if he does have have interaction with older people, he's chastising them.

[00:16:48]>> Right. I listen to baby talk from Sam.

[00:16:50]>> I know. And I'm just like, holy crap.

[00:16:53]Because you see >> he switches back and forth >> to the men, you'll see the infantile talking, but but to watch Sam do it back is >> feels creepy.

[00:17:05]>> Yeah, it feels really >> well ped pedophilia. And one of the things >> that they talk about in tier, one of the things I wanted to kind of point out to you is the over amount I feel like that these girls play with their hair. I do too. It is. It's something that we were taught, but in >> self coping, right? I think >> well, they the way that they're constantly brushing their hair, the way that they're constantly fixing their hair, the way that uh back in the day, well, even in the scriptures, it says to some degree that that a woman's hair is her crown. It is actually really really important for a woman to have her hair.

[00:17:47]That is her selfidentity.

[00:17:50]That is who she is. So that is why I think a lot of times one of the first things I noticed when people leave these cultures is they cut their hair right off because it's the thing that they were identified for.

[00:18:00]>> One um and so I'm watching the amount of like product that they have for their hair in this in this documentary you can see that they're constantly it's just this constant brushing of their hair, fixing of their hair. It has to go a certain way. It has to be a certain length. It has to be a certain thickness. It's like your whole identity your because it's not about your physical traits, right? Let's make each other look exactly the same in the same dresses and the same color. What stands you out is your hair. Are you one that can grow thicker hair? Are you one that can grow longer hair? Are you one that can grow and there is scriptures in there? I And again, I know I never remember the scripture. I just was throwing a bunch of scriptures out when I was young. I didn't know exactly which ones they were, but one of them is is talks about Mary um Mary Magdalene washing Jesus's feet with her hair. And so, and again, if you see the little tear jar I have back here, that is what one of the things I got that at the tomb of Christ. That's one of the things that you talk about. That's why your hair should be so long is because it's the way that you what?

[00:19:10]>> Nothing. I was just fixing my hair. So it's the way that you um show your devotion, appreciation, love towards your husband is that you are able to use the crown. It's I was always taught that the hair was the crown and jewel of a woman. You're the crown. You're one of the jewels in the crown of your husband, but your hair is your crown jewel. Does that hopefully I say that right?

[00:19:35]>> Yeah.

[00:19:35]>> And so it was always very important. A lot of women that I know have their whole identity wrapped up in what their hair looks like all the time and it's very um hard to deal with sometimes. I think if you are one of the girls who can't grow hair or you can't grow long hair, it's almost like it's taken as a personal what did I do against God that I'm not able to it it to me I would put it right up there next to childbearing.

[00:20:06]That is one of the most important aspects of a woman in this religion.

[00:20:11]Well, not in not in every polygamous religion, but in the FLDS is your hair and your ability to bear children. Those are the two most important identities you as a woman would have. Does that make sense?

[00:20:23]>> Yep. Those of my sisters that did cut their hair >> Yeah.

[00:20:27]>> um were considered rebellious, >> right? So if they were supposed to not ever cut their hair again, grow it out long. Yeah. Uh even though um uh growing up in the community we had, it wasn't all poofed up in the front, but a lot of times it was braids.

[00:20:48]>> Yeah.

[00:20:48]>> Uh who could do the fancier braids, things like that. So, >> well, and my mom was down in um Short Creek teaching a class one time and asked like where did this hairstyle come from? Where why did everybody start doing this big huge wave and >> one of the ladies just said it was one of the matriarchs. She just liked it and so she started calling it out for people to wear because they did not always used to wear their hair like that. It that's only been in the last 50 years that that has come about. maybe maybe even less than that 40 years that's come about before people wore their hair fairly normally. They've always had long hair.

[00:21:24]They've always had braids. I always had very long hair. I always had braids. You know, my mom's six feet. Her hair was like four feet long most of our lives.

[00:21:32]It always came way down past her bum.

[00:21:35]Like that was a sign of um worthiness almost, I guess, if you would. So, I just noticed how often in this show, in this whole series, all four episodes, how often they were playing with their hair and braiding it. And even the littlest girls, everything was all about their hair. And I wonder too if a lot of it is just because >> they're bored. There's not a lot of activities. Not I wouldn't say bored.

[00:22:02]Okay, that's because they're always working. They're always outside working or they're always at but that is their form of like because they can't they're not allowed to watch television. They're not allowed to leisure. They're not allowed to read books unless they're specifically designed books. Um and so hair is like >> Yeah.

[00:22:22]>> It's like crocheting I guess if you would or it's like >> it's a hobby I guess. Does that make sense what I'm saying? And your sister's always had the long hair and your mom's always had the long hair. And >> it in fact there was a huge scandal up in Pinell where we grew up because one of the matriarchs that was married to Rulan who had long hair >> growing up cut all of her hair off um later on in life and it was a scandal.

[00:22:51]People were uh thinking that she was leaving the community and she just cut it off. she was tired of maintaining it and so just had short hair and uh >> yeah it was a huge scandal.

[00:23:07]>> Um yeah, my parents were very judgy of her. So >> yeah and and I know people are again one of the things that we always took pride in is being a peculiar people >> and so that was another reason that this woman had explained this to my mom that we were always taught to be a peculiar people. We didn't want to blend into the world >> and so one that is another way that the FLDS looks more peculiar is their hair and the women's hair. So anyway, >> and their dresses.

[00:23:40]>> What?

[00:23:41]>> And their dresses, they definitely stand out. This a community.

[00:23:44]>> They stand out from the world, but they don't stand out from each other >> because all of their dresses are so uniform. Where the one thing that they can stand out from is their hair.

[00:23:54]Because I might be able to do something with my hair that the other girl over there can't because she can't grow hair the way I grow hair. Yeah.

[00:24:00]>> Or I don't grow hair the way she grows hair or whatever it is. It's almost like It's almost like our kids go to a charter school where everyone wears uniforms and so the one thing that they can control is their socks. So they wear a different pair of socks cuz it doesn't match everybody else's uniform. I know that seems like a silly, but that was one of the things my children hated about having to wear their uniforms was the when one way that they could stand out was their socks. And I kind of feel like your hair is a little bit the same way where you can where you can figure out a different level of braiding that the other girl couldn't figure out or whatever. And it was a big it was a big process. I remember laying there one night thinking, "Oh my gosh, I know how to do this braid." And I sat up and I tried it on myself and I all of a sudden I could braid my own hair the way that other that you had to have someone else help you. And all of a sudden I didn't have to have that help anymore. I could do it myself. And then I became I'm an expert hair braider.

[00:24:57]>> I miss those days.

[00:24:58]>> Me braids.

[00:25:00]>> I was never around when you used to wear braids.

[00:25:03]>> When I had the long hair and the braids.

[00:25:06]>> Uh so then they're just I know I overkilled that subject. Sorry. It's just fascinating to me because in a world where women are not they don't want you to have your own identity. They don't want you to have your own personality or your own to be your own person. You're one of 23 of Sam Baitman's wives.

[00:25:27]>> You're not You're not Gnome's, you know, Naomi.

[00:25:32]You're number 13 of Sam Baitman's wives.

[00:25:35]This is where I feel like they're trying to pull out a little bit of their own selfidentity of what they can do with them if with their own bodies. A you can see throughout this entire documentary is these girls don't have a lot of choices in what they can even do with their own body >> and they don't have a lot of self-identity and so their hair is the one thing where they can do it how they want to some degree within guidelines >> but um it is a form of self-expression in a very high demand religion that does not want women to have their own self-expression. Does that make sense?

[00:26:09]>> Yep. without being uh disobedient or rebellious. Right?

[00:26:15]>> So this is like they they can stand out without being rebellious. Most any other >> personality uh that's different or stands out is considered a rebellious could get you in trouble. So this is probably one of those ways. I've got the long hair. I can style it.

[00:26:34]>> Well, and again this >> and still be humble. It can even go into the we talked about this on the last episode when they were singing and I pointed out the fact that they just that not all of them use song books and it's just a small little minute thing >> but it's one way to elevate yourself over other women. It's one way to make yourself better. But anyways children >> so yeah >> your hair and your child birth >> and you want to be able to have as many children. Yeah, for the thing >> those are what make you stand out, right? film.

[00:27:05]>> Well, and so then they're going to do like they know that the FBI is about to come and so they're going to do this raid, right? So they're trying to get Sam to go over to the warehouse by them by himself and they're asking him well they're asking him all these questions.

[00:27:17]Sorry, I'm jumping ahead. They're asking him all these questions of like what is it that he wants to do? And he is his comeback is I want to be an instrument in God's hands. I get so tired of hearing that because I have heard that from a million different men who's like, "Oh, I don't you know what? I just want to be an instrument for God." And yet you do so many things that are evil.

[00:27:38]Like you do so many things that are not in God's best. Like that's the part that I I hated as a small child was watching these men say these things and then do something polarizingly opposite of what what I believed God would do or believed what God was.

[00:27:57]>> Well, they would destroy people's lives.

[00:27:59]Those people would leave >> and then look back at >> these leaders.

[00:28:06]>> Yeah.

[00:28:07]>> Um and but those people were turned over to the buffeting satan. They were outsiders now. They even though they'd come out and said what he's doing is wrong. And people would purposely because it hadn't happened to them or they didn't want to believe it, they would turn that eye that nope, God's anointed person wouldn't do that. And it's not until more and more and more and more people come out before they usually fall.

[00:28:36]The community has an ability to turn a blind eye to a lot of these things which is sad, >> right?

[00:28:41]>> They don't believe that God's anointed would ever do the stuff that you said.

[00:28:46]>> They never directly answer anything. It that's what frustrates me. It's like, are you a prophet of God? And instead of just saying, yes, yes, I am a prophet of God is he says, I would be lying if I said I weren't.

[00:28:58]>> And that's where it's just everything's just such a play on words. like just answer the question and be direct about it, but they don't know how to answer that question and be honest and direct about it. Um >> well, cuz yeah, cuz he doesn't want to get his ego too big and >> but yeah, you're absolutely right.

[00:29:19]>> I said I weren't like just having so many I just hearing people talk in these circles without saying, you know, anything. Um, one of the things too about that we that we watched on this that we talked a lot about was the the guns that these girls could have.

[00:29:38]>> Yeah.

[00:29:38]>> Uh, and just how ignorant it seemed like they were to >> how devastating the outcome of having weapons could be for them. They're so ignorant to that. Like this is you literally could lose your lives to this.

[00:29:55]And these girls seemed very very ignorant to that because again, God will handle everything. God will provide. God will >> Well, and I wanted to apologize cuz I I didn't realize we watched it again. And so last uh episode that I did, I was like, well, yeah, it wasn't a big deal.

[00:30:15]But then I watched it again.

[00:30:18]uh and they are going to go and it was the young kids that were uh going to run and get and they felt like in in indoctrination wise they felt like that yeah we're going to shoot this out. Um if they kill us it's murder. You know what I mean? But but it's okay for us to perish as long as the pro profits protected. It it is it's a it's a scary I mean we watched as as a young adult I'm watching Waco Texas.

[00:30:57]>> Yeah.

[00:30:58]>> So when people are brainwashed to the point that they're absolutely willing to give up their life in shootouts and things like this. So, uh, I'm sorry if I downplayed it last episode. I didn't watch, uh, >> I didn't catch that part. She was I thought she said that she was getting pepper spray and then she comes out.

[00:31:24]>> Uh, yeah. And I'm like, "Oh my gosh."

[00:31:28]Okay. Yeah. Now, so I can see why the FBI agent was telling uh her Well, just >> should you even be there?

[00:31:41]>> I'm just supposed to show the world of delusion that we were all raised in. I genuinely did not know that these things these girls I think genuinely did not know. Gnomes even said that I had no idea that I was going to be char I didn't even know what I was being charged with when I got into the into the courtroom because the level of just ignorance to what the real world is like is all over the place. And that's what's so hard. You still have to hold somebody accountable for what they're doing because they are adults, right? So, they still have to be held accountable for their actions. But when you live in such a sheltered life that you genuinely have no idea what the consequences of your actions are going to be, >> um they genuinely believe them. They don't need to use guns. They don't need to use weapons. Well, and they're willing to to protect the prophet, the mouthpiece of the Lord, because then they would die murder or >> martyrs and protecting the Lord's mouthpiece. And they aren't. There's zero education uh growing up. It it is one of those things where you need to protect. If you're willing to stand up and protect the Lord's anointed people, then the Lord will fight on your side.

[00:32:54]And and we are genuinely taught that.

[00:32:57]We're genuinely believed that to be true.

[00:32:59]>> And the level of just sheer ignorance to what >> real world consequences are >> is Yeah, it's mind-blowing. And then the other interesting part on this was then when they're coming out, the young girls again are so here you're looking at these uh sweet young girls when they're around Sam when they're on the camera um in their best behavior and then they come out and venom.

[00:33:31]>> Yeah. venom and vile and you bastards and they they are they're spitting venom >> towards the law enforcement.

[00:33:41]>> And they learned that when they were being chastised when they were getting in trouble when that when he was those were behind the scenes, but they learned it somewhere and they were able to turn that venom uh towards the police officers and FBI agent >> little part of it here.

[00:34:02]It's just honestly when you grow up so sheltered and you genuinely truly believe that God's going to come in and save every and then you've got their own mothers there reinforcing this belief.

[00:34:15]And not to say that not to say that that's not a good to have faith or anything like that. It's just what what it it does not prepare people for the real world in any way, shape, or form. The level of ignorances completely. Um I I thought it was going to give us one of the things that she says in here >> is says that I'm talking about the younger girls taking the FBI that which was a surprise to the FBI. The younger girls were taken by DCFS. Um but one of the girls says, "We're going to pass this test." Um, that was one of the things I wanted to point out. That's kind of what I thought that clip was.

[00:34:56]Um, because everything is a test. Again, I feel like we have talked about this over and over and over on our channel.

[00:35:03]Literally, everything in our life is a test. And so, when they talk about it, we need each other. Mothers crying over the safety of their underage girls.

[00:35:11]Where were these mothers concerned? So, you see them all in huddled. God's going to protect us. God's going to deliver us with this. Where were these mothers concerns during these massive group sex sessions that were happening? Where were these mothers concerns when the fathers were having were doing sex acts in front of these underage girls with other women? Where were those mothers concerns then? Now their concern is the state is removing them. And so again, I'm not trying to I I do struggle with the mothers obviously, as you can tell from a lot of our videos, but it is very frustrating when the mothers are hugging their daughters saying, "It's okay. God's going to deliver us with from this.

[00:35:55]God's going to deliver us." And yet your daughters are sitting in a room with their fathers who are having who are engaging in sex acts with other women that are not their mothers, that are not because God commanded that. Where was your genuine concern then? Does that make sense what I'm saying? So, yeah, I um I wrote choice words down, but I won't say those choice words.

[00:36:19]>> And well, it's because again, they're brainwashed into believing that as long as the Lord has commanded it, it's okay.

[00:36:28]>> Well, and here's the thing that frustrates me that I wrote down on the next page, too, is that then there's evidence of Warren Jeff's all over the place still. Yeah.

[00:36:36]>> He's he's in stickers on their computers. He's hanging up on the wall everywhere. Um, that's literally what this man went to prison for was sexual acts with underage children. Where were these mothers concerns then? And yet they're still idolizing a pedophile.

[00:36:52]They're still thinking he's a man of God. Yet, I don't know. It infuriates me to watch it. Like your anger and your is is pointed in the wrong direction. like protect. You want to protect your daughters, then here's an idea. Don't let your 15-year-old sleep with a 45-year-old man. Don't let your 15 your 10year-old be taken from you because you signed over guardianship by a 45-year-old man. And again, I know they do it because they believe that they have to, that they believe God commanded it. But again, typical signs of a cult is let's get rid of all critical thinking.

[00:37:33]>> Yeah.

[00:37:33]>> What were you going to say? No, it it's amazing to me that and it is because the way they are raised up that some 45year-old man can come and say the Lord told me that I should take your 9 10 11 year old daughter as wife and they're just like okay we're okay with that. You know what I mean? As long as the Lord said it was okay. But again, it's because they were raised up from children in this being told over and over and over again. Um, and that's the other insane thing, the test part of this that these guys it just like you said, everything's a test.

[00:38:12]And to be honest with you, no matter which way you answer, if you're like, "No, I feel like that that's creepy, that's this," then you're most likely going to pass the test.

[00:38:24]>> If you hand over your wife, Yeah. Okay, I'm going to be faithful and hand over my wife. And he takes it. You pass the test. He's just pushing you to see how much control. Okay, this guy won't give over his wife. Uh he's not going to have the control. I won't be able to control him. So, yeah, I might not make him one of my top leaders within the community.

[00:38:48]>> Yeah.

[00:38:48]>> But he can still hang around and pay tithing.

[00:38:51]>> So, Exactly. And it is it's just insanity that uh that the way we grew up that that the people are still in there still believing my generation growing up in there.

[00:39:10]I would say a good majority of us, I'd probably say um 90% of us have left.

[00:39:17]We're no longer a part of the AUB anymore, >> right? But there is still that 10 faithful. All of their colleagues have left, but they're hanging in there to the very end trying to be faithful. Um having conversations with us going up so hard for us to uh why would you even risk hell? Why wouldn't you? We all got there was so much uh I don't know. Most of the leaders that we grew up with were either excommunicated or thrown in jail.

[00:39:51]So, and yet because Yeah. Because the one or two didn't but sat and overlooked a lot of the stuff.

[00:40:00]>> Yeah.

[00:40:01]>> Exactly.

[00:40:02]>> I think that's what's different too about our generation too is so many of the people that we grew up with, I don't know, they're questioning things now.

[00:40:12]They're asking questions. They're saying they're not so blindly following. You know, some of my very best friends growing up were um my five wives show with Brady Williams. Two of his wives were some of my very best friends growing up. They're questioning leadership now. They're saying, "Wait a minute. We still love each other as a family, but we don't want to do these messed up things that you guys are saying we have to do." And so, I think there's a lot more questions now uh from people. they're not just blindly following. And but again, that's one of the reasons why putting people on compounds is so effective is because it does the outside world. But I feel like now >> everyone, nine out of 10 people have a device in their hand that will connect them to the outside world in two seconds. You can learn more. I feel like the internet has given people so much more freedom and flexibility than even our generation had. We didn't have any of that. Some of us genuinely had to have critical thinking to get out of it. All right.

[00:41:15]And I love this part right here. I want to make sure we show this part with Julia.

[00:41:20]And I talked to him like I'd never talked to him before in my life.

[00:41:27]I says, "We're adults. We're parents.

[00:41:31]We're following a false prophet.

[00:41:35]And he's leading us right to hell. And I'm not going to go there anymore.

[00:41:40]I says, "But you have to choose."

[00:41:45]>> He said, "Either we're damn right or we're damn wrong."

[00:41:53]>> The first time that she has ever spoke to him that way, >> right?

[00:41:57]>> Because yeah, you're trained not to. It is It's a huge awakening when somebody finally wakes up and can speak to their priesthood holder. She still has Warren just in the background.

[00:42:10]>> Yeah, >> she >> and probably would not believe any of the Well, he was reading cuz I wrote it down here. He was reading the diaries of uh Warren Jeffs.

[00:42:24]>> Yeah, >> he was doing the playbyplay that Warren Jeffs has done. But she can see this because it's an attack on her >> and her daughters >> and her daughters. they've been taken away from her that he's threatening to take away the son and war and Jeff's probably didn't hang around long enough to be able to do that to her, >> right?

[00:42:43]>> And so she's still going to have belief that he's God's mouth.

[00:42:46]>> And that's what's interesting to me that I've noticed is that the people who are the closest to the people in charge tend to be the ones who leave.

[00:42:56]>> Yeah.

[00:42:57]>> Tend to be the ones who argue the most tend to be the one who see the corruption. And so they tend to leave. I mean, out of my dad's 34 children, he's got four still in the still in the AUB that that blindly follow faithfully follow. And no offense to my siblings who just heard me say that you blindly follow, but believe that he does. I didn't mean it like that, but I kind of did. Um, but they they definitely they follow, but the all of his other kids are like, "Yeah, no, even his own siblings don't want to believe that."

[00:43:30]Uh, so I feel like people who are the closest to Warren Jeffs are are a lot of the people who are speaking out now. A lot of his wives that now that he's been in jail, a ton of his wives have Tik Toks that are speaking out. They have social media platforms that they're speaking out on. Um, a lot of his children have social media platforms that they're speaking out on. It's those that are maybe a maybe a level removed or a step removed are they don't see all of the gross details and so it's easier for them to blindly follow the beliefs.

[00:44:00]I feel like that's where Julia probably was for most of her life and then she started to see the gross details when it came to her own daughters, when it came to her own husband.

[00:44:11]>> And let me I want to just finish. I just think this part is so powerful with everything that Julia shares in this part.

[00:44:19]where that man's going to sit in prison for life. You can sit with him.

[00:44:26]You can choose, but I choose to get out of this hell and I choose to get my children out of it.

[00:44:34]And I'm just so proud of her in that moment because I don't people do not realize what how empowering that is for a woman in this religion to come to that type of conclusion. Like that is like literally >> and one of the most powerful things a woman can ever do >> and to be able to talk out like that. So >> yeah, >> yes, she'll be labeled rebellious. Yes, she'll be labeled uh disobedient.

[00:45:04]>> Yeah.

[00:45:04]>> Um by those that are still faithful and stuff like that, but to have that wakeup call where it's like no more no more.

[00:45:11]This is hell on earth. So >> yeah. Yeah. And well and so then she after she's talking to her husband and then he goes he leaves that night and then he goes and throws up all night and he's sick to his stomach like what did I do? Thank God he at least came to that conclusion now. I wish he would have come to that conclusion before several of his girls were were you know assaulted >> married >> married off and assaulted by this man.

[00:45:36]Uh he should he should spend the rest of his life >> in severe regret for doing what he did to his underage daughters and for allowing that to happen. And he says in here that he that Sam Baitman >> um great I guess we'll just use the word great his daughters some of his wives and him and that is something that was left out of the documentary. Now we don't know a lot about we're not going to go into a lot of detail about it but we do know other creators who were a part of the courtroom process and said yes these are um allegations that happened as these men were chastised and put in line. They were they were sexually assaulted and abused by Sam Baitman in front of their own children.

[00:46:22]And these grown men let this happen. And so I to me I'm if he's got to spend the rest of his life in jail, so be it.

[00:46:31]These girls will spend the rest of their lives recovering from what he didn't protect them from.

[00:46:37]>> Not only did he not protect them from it, he put them in the position to be abused in the first place. they he literally should spend the rest of his life atoning for that in my opinion.

[00:46:50]>> And like I said in the last video too, the the worst part about this is the next couple generations because that believe >> Yeah.

[00:46:59]>> Uh the prophet uh authorized this, got it from the Lord. It's scripture. They put it in their diaries. They put it in in writings. And so the next generations will also be believing uh that >> believing that they can do that to the their community members to keep them in line >> because they genuinely believe that they're a law unto themselves. They're a law unto themselves that they only one of the 12 um or 13 articles of faith which is the foundational like the ten commandments. There's 13 articles of faith that the Mormon church goes by.

[00:47:42]One of them is um oh, I was even gonna write this down because I haven't quoted it for so long. I don't know if I can get it. Um we believe uh in following the rules of or laws of the land as long as they do not basically as long as they don't go in direct conflict with the laws of God. I know I just slaughtered the hell out of >> but no. And so if something that they believe goes into direct conflict with the law of God, they're not going to follow it. The Mormon church teaches this too. It is, in fact, I'm going to have to go pull up this article of faith now because I I thought that I could just get it by heart, but of course I can't now because it's been gone for so long. Do you know which one I'm talking about?

[00:48:22]>> I I've heard it, but I've tried to delete most of that stuff. So >> yeah. And so they genuinely believe that they are a law unto themselves. And so when people ask, "Why do you live polygamy?" It's against the law. That is one of the rules that they'll follow back to. Well, part of the 13 articles of faith is >> we believe in following kings, rulers, magistrates as long as they Yeah.

[00:48:44]>> Yeah. There you go. See, you you remember >> I know I we weren't recording and I sat there and thought about it, I could actually get it down. Um as long as they are in law in alignment with whatever they believe God's law is. So they genuinely do believe that they're And so when Sam sends these older girls to go kidnap the younger girls because they are his property. They are his property that the government is now withholding from him. He believes he has every genuine right to go and save these girls. Now, what the hardest part for me is when they showed the um mug shots of the of these young women >> because how many times throughout history do we see mug shots like that of these of these girls who were born and raised >> in these cults and they're and they are literally at the beckoning of these men and they have no idea what the consequences are going to be. And yet they still have to be held accountable.

[00:49:44]They still have a conscience. They still know right and wrong. They still know.

[00:49:48]And they were told at the very beginning, you cannot come and get these girls. That would be considered kidnapping. They were absolutely told when the FBI raided them. And then Sam's over here telling him, "Too bad, go get them." And Gnome says, "I had no idea what I was even being charged with, but you are given things. You are given, hey, you have a conscience. You know this isn't right. if this was right, you wouldn't have to be this sneaky to go get it done.

[00:50:15]>> Yeah.

[00:50:16]>> And yet, she didn't realize the full impact. And unfortunately, most of us as human beings don't realize the full consequences of our actions until it's too late.

[00:50:27]>> But there, this is at a whole different level. These girls don't realize the consequences of their actions until they're sitting in a jail cell for 22 months wondering what the hell they did wrong.

[00:50:38]Well, and they felt like that probably that the Lord was opening up the way with them with uh >> Yeah.

[00:50:44]>> What is it? DSF.

[00:50:45]>> DCFS.

[00:50:46]>> That Yeah. That those guys they were able to get a phone, do communications, knew where they were, uh whatever that uh DCFS is, uh exposing everybody involved in it. It was just I mean that right there was a whole lot of uh >> incompetency.

[00:51:08]>> Yeah. On one agency's uh >> Yeah. That's infuriating here that they handled it that way which then just gives the followers all the more evidence that see look the government >> God's working with us. Absolutely.

[00:51:26]>> This is like because we said this on millions of video, well millions, we said this a dozen times where everything's a sign. And so look, things are falling through the cracks. Look how easy it was for us to find the girls.

[00:51:37]God wants us to find the girls. He wants us to go get them. He wants us to take them.

[00:51:42]>> So it is it's just more evidence. All right, here we go.

[00:51:45]>> Believe she was going to be the one going to jail. She was doing all these things to protect her children. And now her daughter Moretta is in jail.

[00:51:54]>> Mhm.

[00:51:55]>> Again, the level of ignorance is so it's so hard to watch because I don't want to say what she did was okay cuz it's not. She led her girls to be this way. She taught her girls blind obedience from the day they were born >> because all they seen is blind obedience from her.

[00:52:16]>> And so and that they needed to find a husband. And when their dad gave them over, they were going to be just as good, if not better >> Yeah.

[00:52:26]>> wives than their mom. And Yeah. It's And it's not until later on that she's standing up for herself.

[00:52:36]>> So, >> you're right. Go ahead.

[00:52:38]>> No, I just want I think you're coming to it. I just wanted to point out too that when she's talking to the But I think you're coming to it. I'll wait for it. Well, well, I was going to get these ones first. Like the first law of heaven. We were always taught that the first law of heaven was exact same thing. Obedience was everything. Perfect obedience was and now >> perfect obedience.

[00:53:02]>> Yeah.

[00:53:02]>> Blind obedience. Uh yeah, >> that's what's really fair about this situation is that yes, she still has to be accountable. Yes, she had that natural knowing saying what I'm doing is wrong.

[00:53:15]>> But she's also overshadowed by the first rule of heaven. The first rule is blind is obedience.

[00:53:22]>> It's not blind. It's what you said before. Perfect obedience.

[00:53:25]>> Perfect obedience. And so with yourself, what do I do? How do I handle this?

[00:53:31]>> And now when she's born and raised into this, she Yes, she needed to be held accountable. Yes, she 21 months was probably a good level of accountability for her because she was kidnapping. She was doing things that were against the law and yet she was doing everything that she was programmed and trained to do her entire life.

[00:53:55]>> And maybe it took that long to wake him up to >> Yeah.

[00:54:00]>> what had happened. So, >> yeah. Um, one of the things too that I loved that Julia said in here is that I wanted I asked my girls genuinely, could you have said no without being punished, some form of punishment? And every one of the girls said no.

[00:54:16]>> Yep.

[00:54:16]>> We couldn't. We could not say no to this without some level of punishment coming our direction. Coercive control.

[00:54:25]>> Spare the rod, spoil the child.

[00:54:27]>> Right?

[00:54:28]>> Spare the rod, spoil the wife. spare the rod, spoil the uh the >> illusion of >> priesthood holder. Yeah. So the the Yeah. They could not say no without some sort of punishment. The wives could not say no without some sort of punishment.

[00:54:48]The uh husbands could not say no to the prophet without some sort of punishment.

[00:54:56]The these are core teachings of the way that we grew up. they grew up all of it.

[00:55:01]There is punishment that comes into into play if you are not uh perfectly obedient in every uh command that the Lord's anointed send your way.

[00:55:13]>> Well, and and it's funny because people say, "Are you forced to get married?"

[00:55:17]Well, no.

[00:55:18]>> Were you Did you have Well, no.

[00:55:21]>> But could you have a choice without some sort of punishment? No, I couldn't have either. So is it it's the illusion of choice when it's actually >> and it is to some degree yes these are my choices I can have this punishment or I can have this punishment which one looks better and so you go with the best options y >> believe you know because if you would have asked me back in the day were you forced to get married a couple days into 17 I would have said no >> but as I got older and look really truly look back on that situation was I forced to get married. But could I have said no? Probably not. No. And so I love the way that Julia talk the the way that Julia says that. All right, let's go ahead with this little clip here.

[00:56:11]Oh, let's see.

[00:56:13]>> And I couldn't even blame my parents for it. They were born in lies.

[00:56:21]And it is we are so taught to not question these things. Uh if you do question these things again you see Sam at one point in is like are you challenging God? Are you challenging God's word? Well no I'm challenging your word. My word is God's word.

[00:56:40]>> So you were never allowed to ask questions like that. You were never and I love how she says that a tsunami of questions then came to the front of her mind like >> what on earth have I been doing? What on earth?

[00:56:52]>> What does all of this even mean?

[00:56:54]>> Go ahead.

[00:56:55]>> Nothing. It's exactly what she's saying there. All of a sudden you begin to question. Once you let one doubt in, >> yeah, >> one question in, it is very true. you kind of get overwhelmed that >> oh my gosh, I don't believe anything I was taught.

[00:57:14]>> I start to question it is you have to relearn everything.

[00:57:18]>> It is It's like you just >> It's like you're falling off a cliff.

[00:57:23]It's like that initial drop off of a cliff and you're just like, I don't know where the ground is. I don't know if I'm gonna catch myself. Am I gonna die during this process? Am I going to be okay during this process? Once you just let one question in, it it does it gets to this overwhelming what is true, what's not true.

[00:57:42]>> And I could use this analogy, but it's not going to work on either one of us.

[00:57:46]It's like you graduate high school and all of a sudden you realize that you were taught everything poorly, wrong, uh, and you got to go take high school all over again. So, >> it sucks. Oh, failures.

[00:57:59]>> Yeah. So neither of us graduated.

[00:58:04]>> I was homeschooled. So uh and I got my uh certificate from my homeschool study thing and then I went and took my GED and given myself more education in life. So >> right, but it is it's like everything in your life you don't know what's real, what's not real. All right. And now hopefully they won't copyright us for any of these little we our last video got copyrighted and we had and they deleted all the scenes. So hopefully we don't have that problem with this video.

[00:58:31]But here we go.

[00:58:34]So I truly believe this that once you show the way, again, we've had this, we we've talked about this, the 4-minute mile.

[00:58:43]I've used that as an example. Nobody in the world believed a 4-minute mile was possible. The minute somebody did it, it was that record was broken over and over and over again. In this religion, you cannot talk about certain things. You cannot ask certain questions. You cannot go against your husband, but once you do it, then it opens up the way for other people. So, you heard Tammy, the FBI agent, say it was one of Julia's girls that came forward first. And so, here, Julia opened, she broke a pattern and opened up a way for her own daughters to be able to get to free themselves truly from this, too.

[00:59:20]>> More than all nine of them >> ended up testifying against him. It's the same way. Yeah. Once we some of us left the faith, all of a sudden it gave opportunity to other people >> start to question younger siblings to start to question to leave the faith too.

[00:59:37]>> Great.

[00:59:38]>> So >> I mean I was the first one to get married in the faith and then leave the faith.

[00:59:42]>> Um out of 350 grandchildren I was the very first one to do that.

[00:59:46]>> And it opened up the path for dozens and dozens of my cousins to be able to leave. And so it is it it so kudos to Julia for somehow finding that inner strength to be able to say this is wrong.

[01:00:02]>> I'm this is not this is not again in the last episode where she says I just want to get back to my true religion. I just want to live my true religion. This is not it. And so again, she hopefully is not following Warren Jeffs anymore, but she might be enough removed from Warren to even see that he's just as big of a pedophile.

[01:00:24]>> And it might Yeah, of course, we didn't see much after this. But it might be it might have needed her to wake up to see how this happened. other people in the community seeing this to see the close patterns between uh Warren Jeff's and Samuel Baitman. So it might be a wakeup call for the whole community.

[01:00:46]Right. Well, in one of the things um in the doc, sorry.

[01:00:51]Um >> in some of the court documents, it says they started talking about talking about some of the underage Jane do ones, Jane do 2 and some of their it was how terrifying it was and how one of them threw up and was for and was forced to stay quiet during the whole process.

[01:01:11]One of the things that I wanted to point out in it is it says they were threatened that they would go to hell for not wanting this. And I think that's one of the most psychologically used techniques, if you will, >> is well, you have to want to you have to want this because if you don't, then you're going against God's will. And so every fiber of this child's being is saying, I don't want this. This is not right. It it's painful. It hurts. It makes me want to throw up. He's a gross old man. Whatever it is she's telling herself. And then on the other side, she's like, "But if I don't want this, then I'm going to go to hell. I'm going to literally burn in eternal damnation."

[01:01:52]Think about what that does to a child's psyche.

[01:01:55]>> These are God's sacred commandments that you need to follow.

[01:01:59]>> Well, they don't feel right. that something's something's you want to be burned in hell. If you don't go through these covenants, commandments, and steps, then you are slated for hell. You have to have these to reach the kingdom of God. You have to go through the temple and get the the highest ordinances to reach the kingdom of God.

[01:02:20]>> And well, how do I do that? It feels looks everything looks wrong and creepy and yet you have to pay a full tithe. You have to give your all. You have to work on the community. You still have to and it's a way to control them and groom them into obedience and compliance. So, >> well, and then if you're over here crying or you're 10 years old and you're you're crying and you're making, you know, a fuss about things and then he comes back to you, you know, your predator comes back to you and said, "These are heavenly father's commandments, not mine."

[01:03:00]>> A lot of times people will come on our channel and they'll ask us, "Do you guys believe in any god? Do you believe in any religion? Do you follow anything?"

[01:03:08]These are why it's so hard for people who come out of these types of religious cults um to believe in a god after that because they're told all of this abuse is heavenly father's commandments not the person who's abusing you. And so this is again why we have said that when you are raised in a cult, the damage that is done to your brain is a whole different level than any other traumatic events because these are contradictory things that are constantly being fed into your brain from the time you're born until you as a human start taking, you know, taking back control over your brain and you're not allowing someone else to program you like this. And so here you are, this little girl in this horrible situation being told that you'll go to hell for not wanting it and that this is God's commandments. Why would you want to believe in a God like that?

[01:04:04]>> Go ahead.

[01:04:04]>> No, we were trained that we that God was a loving, benevolent father. You know what I mean? This is and love and benevolence.

[01:04:13]>> And then all of his rituals, all of his commandments, all of his >> covenants uh do not represent um a loving, benevolent father.

[01:04:27]>> No, >> it it's almost the opposite of so we're we are we're confused growing up like who who are we following, right? it.

[01:04:39]We're told that he's this, but then all of a sudden all of these uh other symbols, signs, all that stuff does not look like uh the symbols and the signs of a benevolent, loving father.

[01:04:51]>> But also, when the only thing you've ever seen, the type of father that you've seen, you don't you think that's love and benevolence.

[01:05:00]>> Yeah. Because he's disciplining you and putting you in your line. So, yeah. And again, I've made a few videos like this where I've said, you know, these that we as women were so disrespectful. And I had a couple of Plegmas women come after me really hard for it. And again, I came back with a second video saying, "If you don't know what respect looks like because you have only been treated this way your whole life, you think that's respectful because you don't know anything different. You don't know what a benevolent true loving father is because the only the way you have been treated by your father you have been told that that is loving and that's what it looks like. You don't know that it's not. You don't know that it's abusive.

[01:05:41]You have no idea >> and that's again one of the reasons why your brain suffers such a level of trauma that it is irreparable. Now, you can go through and heal some of the trauma, but some of the damage that is done to your brain is literally irreparable when you go through something like this. And um Gnome's so we get to the end of the episode and Gnome says that she is now starting school. She's in college for psychology because she wants to understand what happens to her. And that's why so many of us do that. I I never went to school for psychology although I wanted to.

[01:06:17]I've done a bunch of different classes to try to understand, why why we were taught some of the things that we were taught, why people do some of the things that they do. And that's that's why I watch these type of documentaries because I'm so curious as to why people do these things. Is it fear-based?

[01:06:36]Everything in the way that I was raised was 100% fear-based. It was not do this so that God will love you. It's do this so that you don't suffer eternal hell.

[01:06:45]Amen.

[01:06:46]>> Do follow these rules and guide. Follow your husband. Follow the priesthood head because if you don't you will suff you will suffer the consequences. Not follow your priesthood head not follow your husband because it will bring you great joy. It's if you don't you're going to hell. And so every single thing in my life was fear-based. And I was taught by both of my parents this fear. My mom feared my father and taught us girls to fear men too. My father feared his leadership and taught his wives to fear him. And so there there's just this constant it's it's a it's start all the way down. And who breaks that cycle?

[01:07:27]>> Um I love >> disobedient people.

[01:07:29]>> Right. Right. And I love that um he got 50 years, Sam got 50 years. Uh Gnomes got 21 in prison. And Moretta served a couple years in prison. And her comments were, "Prison set me free." I mean, can you imagine being born and raised and stewed in this mind your entire life and then going and being away from it for two for two years, all of a sudden you're like, "Wait a second, that's not really how it was. Wait a Yeah.

[01:08:05]>> And then it says eight of the adult wives went to prison as they should have. Honestly, they should have. I know that they were born and raised in a cult, too. But again, we are all given that every single person has that right and wrong, natural knowing, and they went against that. You cannot tell me as a mother. You can stand there in a room watching your child be assaulted by a middle-aged man and think that that comes from God.

[01:08:33]And here's a reason why that they need to be held accountable because then it's going to spread to the community. And I know that some of the community members are going to the most faithful are going to say, "Well, they were uh they were martyrs. They were treated poorly." and teach again their children and that we should fear the government, fear law enforcement, things like that. But there's another group of people that go, "Wait a minute, if this is going on, then we need to turn it over, >> right?"

[01:09:10]>> uh within in the community. So, um so yeah, I think it has an effect on both sides of that. Um, and if they're teaching their kids to not to uh fear the government, not talk to police officers, things like that.

[01:09:31]Oh, well, they've been doing that for 250 years, >> right?

[01:09:34]>> So, that's been their teaching for 250 years. So, hopefully some somewhere within the community, other people are waking up to to it. I'm hoping that uh other people within the community are seeing this documentary comparing. I love that they put in this one that he was taking notes and reading the diaries of Warren Jeffs.

[01:10:00]>> I'm hoping that part of it will wake up some more people within the community of Warren Jeffs, >> right?

[01:10:06]>> That all he was doing was following the lead from the last prophet, >> right? and hopefully another prophet doesn't pop up down the road that follows this guy's lead. So, right, >> hopefully it's a wakeup call for the community.

[01:10:21]>> And I think that's one of the things that's the scariest is blind obedience and blind faith. And one of my one of um the best statements I think I heard in this entire series is beliefs justify the unthinkable.

[01:10:34]>> Yeah. And how many times do our beliefs justify us doing something to someone else to ourselves and and it is it's un >> allowing stuff happen to ourselves and other people and just turning a blind eye >> and we do it to ourselves too. Well, >> even though this is unthinkable, I can never treat myself this way. My beliefs say I have to, so therefore I'm going to. We as women raised in this society say that do this to ourselves all the time. I mean you hear you heard about the book the lonely polygamist. You know how these women are literally torturing themselves being in these polygamous situations because of their beliefs. So we're doing the unthinkable.

[01:11:20]We're sharing our intimacy with our partners with other people. We're sharing our deepest parts of our of of our lives with two or three other wives with two or three other because our beliefs say we have to.

[01:11:35]>> Were you meaning the book Sacred Loneliness?

[01:11:37]>> Yeah. What did I say?

[01:11:38]>> The lonely polygamist.

[01:11:39]>> Oh, Sacred Loneliness.

[01:11:41]>> Yeah, there you go.

[01:11:41]>> No, it's called The Lonely Plus.

[01:11:43]>> It's the one that you're >> Is it? I don't know. I can't.

[01:11:46]>> Big love.

[01:11:47]>> Oh, it's whenever Cody Brown talks about it.

[01:11:50]>> That sacred uh >> sacred loneliness. Yeah, sacred holiness or something like that.

[01:11:55]>> Doing a book club on that one.

[01:11:59]>> No, I'm not going to read their dogma.

[01:12:02]>> Done reading their dogma.

[01:12:04]>> So, >> yeah. So, let us know what you guys think about this. Yep.

[01:12:07]>> Um, this is this was a really hard documentary to get through. We watched it all the way through two or three times as we were digesting a lot of it.

[01:12:16]It is very hard to get through because of how much similarities. Again, they do say it that FLDS believe they that believes they are the original church and the Mormon church is a splint off or a breakoff of them.

[01:12:32]>> The AUB is a breakoff or a splint off of them. The AUB and the FLDS used to be one group together. And then they started teaching the underage brides.

[01:12:42]And that was one of the biggest reasons that the AUB and the and the FLDS split off because AUB was just like, you know what, we're just going to essay all of our children. We're not going to marry them. And the FLDS was like, no, we're going to marry them, then we're going to essay them, right?

[01:12:57]>> Priorities.

[01:12:58]>> Priorities.

[01:13:00]>> Different proper pro profit teachings.

[01:13:02]>> Not a jokeable subject.

[01:13:03]>> It's not at all. It's disgusting. But this is the difference.

[01:13:07]>> It's like, what in the hell? How do you just How do you live with yourself? How do you justify this? How do you >> what are the mental gymnastics that you have to tell yourself in order to be okay with this type of behavior? Um when really all you're doing is satisfying your own carnal urges. It has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with God.

[01:13:32]>> What do you say?

[01:13:33]>> I was going to put in allegedly, but >> there's no alleged about it. There's too much. There's too much >> there's too many people that have gone to jail for this. There's too many >> too many uh lawsuits or or convictions within both communities now. So, >> right. So, let us know what you guys are what your thoughts are in the comments.

[01:13:52]If there's something about this episode that you wish we would have covered that we might have missed, >> um let us know about that and we will see what we can do.

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