Reacting to Mikhaila Peterson and Wes Huff: Modern Scholarship and Bible Corruption

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[00:00:44]Um, so I will go ahead and wait until more people show up.

[00:00:52]Uh, I also find I want to like review certain stuff on uh Michaela Peterson interviewed Wes Huff not too long ago and it was actually quite interesting. I think while I do that, you know what I got to do? Oh my gosh, why didn't I do that? Um, I thought it was very interesting and mainly because as I was listening to that stream, I mean that interview, I was very I don't know, it was kind of like encouraging listening to her awe because because sometimes you could listen to interviews. This is not the first interview we could listen to from West Huff or anything, but this interview with the questions Michaela Peterson was asking it uh I believe that it resonated with whoever else was listening cuz sometimes you have these interviews with these scholars and whatnot and it just goes right over their heads. So, I thought it was good and also in like connecting it to what to Islam and what um Muslims believe because they talked a lot about let's say the the Quranic manuscripts like she asked and which was pretty cool.

[00:02:10]Pretty pretty cool.

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[00:02:21]So, how is everybody else? How's everybody's Saturday so far?

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[00:03:08]I think I can do that later.

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[00:03:15]Okay. So, let me go ahead and start this off again. Like, I'm going I'm 100% aware I'm not going to get a whole lot of viewers, but um because of the time change, but here we go. Let me go start off the video.

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[00:04:28]All right, this is the beginning. I'm going to play some of the beginning of the intro so there's more like of a background behind this.

[00:04:40]Yeah, God Logic is doing a debate, but how is I can't tell the future. I can't tell the future of who's gonna go and be live, but like, yeah, I know. Um, there are a few people that are alive right now, which is fine. It's fine.

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[00:05:00]Okay. So, let me go start here again.

[00:05:03]I'm gonna start getting a little background about West Hub's background and I think it makes more sense to do that. So, let's go ahead.

[00:05:13]That's very niche. That's cool, though.

[00:05:15]Did you Were you a Christian before you went into that?

[00:05:19]>> Yeah. So, I grew up as a missionary kid.

[00:05:20]My my parents were missionaries both in Pakistan and in the in the Middle Eastern country of Jordan >> uh when I was very young. And then my dad was a pastor for a long long time now retired but um so I grew up both a missionary kid and a pastor's kid. So very much within a Christian context but it was in my teen years >> I think a missionary kid in a Christian context like at living in a living around people in a whole different world view. You're you're exposed to the other religion like Islam and stuff like that. So there is a positive in that. So let me go ahead continue >> sifting through some of the things granting that my parents raised me to believe something very specific but kind of figuring out sifting through is my parents telling me to believe this a good enough reason to believe it. And I don't think it's a bad reason. I want my kids to believe things because I tell them, uh, going through some of that data and living in a missionary household, uh, I'd read the Quran as a teenager. I'd read a number of other literature.

[00:06:30]>> He read the Quran. Lies. How come he's not a Muslim if he read the Quran?

[00:06:36]No, for real. No, he read the Quran and he realized it was trash.

[00:06:40]Anyway, >> we had a Book of Mormon in our house.

[00:06:44]Um, I read the Bavagita and so just trying to figure out, okay, well, what's really going on in terms of these big worldview questions and is Christianity really the answer?

[00:06:56]>> Yeah. Okay. And did you come across anything in your findings that surprised you since you've been studying this? I mean, I think I was definitely solidified in the worldview that I was raised in >> uh because I felt like it genuinely answered answers that that fit within categories like logical consistency and empirical adequacy, experiential relevance, and historical accuracy. When I investigated things like say the Quran, I found that there were more red flags than there weren't. Even in some of the narratives and some of some of the stories that I was familiar with with the Bible, the Quran would tell similar stories, but seem to get the details wrong.

[00:07:43]>> And it it'll tell similar stories, get the details wrong, and ignore the important things in the in the biblical narrative. Let's say like the fall why people do what they do. God's love, God's judgment, God's mercy. Um it's a lot of it's corrupted.

[00:08:03]Like even think about the story this hadith of Mahab of not Moses who apparently you know uh his clothes ended up getting stolen and they try to belittle him for how he was built. Like these are crazy stories that Muhammad heard in 7th century Arabia that he went along and made it oh this is what Islam is.

[00:08:28]This is uh this is like you know scripture which is not smart.

[00:08:35]Okay let me go ahead continue.

[00:08:38]Is that just comparing it to the Bible or historically >> on both ends? I mean, if if you like in my field in New Testament studies, even the most radically skeptical scholars will say, "If we can't really even know anything about Jesus, we know that he was crucified under the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate." And that's something that's fundamentally denied within the Quran. Chapter 4:157 denies the crucifixion outright. And so, there are ways that that Muslims try to get around that um that Jesus may have survived the crucifixion. And so in that particular passage when it says that they need >> which would be completely and utterly insane I'm like when you look at what Roman crucifixion actually was like during the time of the Romans they is like they didn't focus on what um the silly things like for example when uh they took they adopted the Greek gods.

[00:09:32]They're like okay why are we going to go have uh new gods? We're going to go take these Greek gods. So they adopted it for themselves. Um uh all these little things that they viewed as minor. The Roman um mindset of the time was, oh, we're going to perfect things. They perfected government. They per what they viewed as perfection of government. They perfected rose. perfected um like everything had to do with their empire including perfecting the death penalty, perfecting execution and that was their view and that is how they ended up coming up with the idea of crucifixion. They wanted to come up with the most nasty, terrible form of torture before you even get to, you know, die at the time. I was like that that was crucifixion, which came along also with the whole idea of shame.

[00:10:32]So you would be hanging on a cross for everybody to see.

[00:10:39]So, it's not only as like, oh, okay, the person that's being crucified is going to know they're going to feel shame.

[00:10:44]Like, think about their families watching. Okay, their families are feeling be uh feeling shame. Their friends are feeling shame.

[00:10:53]This is all done naked.

[00:10:57]So the idea of Jesus now surviving that kind of brutal torture to make sense of things and also like now I'm thinking about the justice of Allah like Allah is not a very just God like when you if you know the historical um meaning or the historical idea like what crucifixion actually is yet Allah made it appear like Jesus was, but yet it was substitute. Somebody else took a spot.

[00:11:30]The unjust death of a criminal. This is what Allah did.

[00:11:40]There's a there's a difference even with that.

[00:11:46]Oh my gosh. Okay, let me go see him.

[00:11:50]White trash panda. Reading the Quran is probably the reason Wes is not a Muslim yet. And it's also the most boring book ever. It's not only does it teach some of the most horrible, terrible things that you could imagine, it is boring. It is not a book.

[00:12:16]It's not a book that's fun to read. It's it's it's a it's a book of when you want to torture yourself. Like I'd rather read a statistics textbook, a ma than read the Quran. It's more interesting.

[00:12:36]Don't want to be mean by Avery is of course. And that's not mean. Let him cook. That's Avery, man. He knows what he's doing.

[00:12:48]All right, let's continue on. Wait.

[00:12:56]Yep. Allah deceived. It's Allah's fault Christians exist and they believe Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose again from the dead. It's Allah's fault. He invented Christians.

[00:13:06]Let me go continue.

[00:13:09]Neither killed him nor did they crucify him. Well, maybe was that maybe they tried to crucify him but they didn't kill him kind of kind of thing. But I I found things that I I just didn't think lined up perfectly. And talking with Muslims, not really getting answers that sufficed in terms of my curiosity.

[00:13:31]And and the thing that stood out to me about Jesus in particular was that it the Christian worldview hinged on him being a historical character.

[00:13:41]>> Mhm. Whereas if you in my investigation of something like Buddhism, it could have been another character who came up with the phil philosophical system that eventually was described as Buddhism in terms of, you know, the the path and um the the philosophical categories. It didn't have to be Gutama Sedartha who we refer to as the Buddha, but it had to be Jesus. and the historical information around the person of Jesus I I've just found sufficient.

[00:14:12]>> Okay. Fascinating. I mean that's good.

[00:14:15]And I suppose I found it sufficient too.

[00:14:17]Otherwise I wouldn't be a Christian. But um just based on the text like from a historian's perspective uh how does the Bible compare to other ancient documents that we do trust?

[00:14:27]>> Yeah. I mean I think it depends on what we mean when we say trust and compare.

[00:14:32]Like I I think >> Sounds like my dad.

[00:14:35]>> Yeah. pulling that out here.

[00:14:36]>> Um, but but I think you know the definition >> what do you mean by and a what do you mean by trust?

[00:14:47]What do you mean by but as for like answering ultimate questions? I I agree the Quran does not answer the ultimate questions of why things happen in the world. Why do people um do the things that they do? Why does evil exist? See, Islam doesn't have a answer for the problem, a sufficient. They could try.

[00:15:10]So, I'm just going to caveat that with a sufficient. They do not have a sufficient answer for the problem of evil. One of the questions I had before I became a Christian. It was like me wondering number one, why are there people who happen to disbelieve that God even exists to begin with? Like why do atheists exist?

[00:15:34]what is the reason? Um I asked myself, okay, why do people do such terrible things? Like don't they have a conscience not to do these things? It's like uh I had a a question of um like one of the main catalysts that ended up having me leave Islam was if Islam is so good, if Islam is a religion of peace, why do these terrorist attack attacks happen in the name of Allah, in the name of Islam?

[00:16:10]Because all you got to do is just be biased and just observe these things and find out why they're doing what they're doing.

[00:16:21]And because Islam does not have a doctrine of sin, they do not have a doctrine of the fall.

[00:16:32]You're basically, you know, conditioned by what is around you that leads to like confusion on your side, a lack of love and compassion to the other people. I'm telling you, I I was quite self-righteous. I was like looking at somebody walking in the streets. I'm like, look at them. They choose to be drunk. I was that Pharisee.

[00:16:54]Thank you, Allah, for not making me like this person.

[00:17:00]It's because there's no doctrine of sin.

[00:17:02]There's no doctrine of the fall on why.

[00:17:06]It's just like, oh, they have diseased hearts. But when you ask where does that disease heart comes come from? They do not have an answer for that. Oh, it was just how they were raised. This is just how this is the environment in which they grew up in.

[00:17:23]There's nothing innate which clearly tells me Islam is in fact a manmade religion.

[00:17:34]Muhammad didn't put thought in the actual ultimate questions that humanity asks. Anyway, he didn't do any of that. He just cared more about what foot you walked into the bathroom with and what hand you wiped your butt with and what hand you went and ate eat your food with this. This is the kind of stuff Muhammad cared about.

[00:18:02]So how I I can't like the fact like if a Muslim was unbiased and compared the two or you said you know what just step back and just look at Muhammad just let's not even look at the Bible for a second let's not even look at Christianity and what it teaches about humanity sin and suffering um let's look just at Muhammad himself and what's written in the Quran and the rest of the Islamic sources How in the world would you look at that and actually believe that this is a religion set down from Allah, from the creator of the universe and not a manmade religion?

[00:18:57]How how can you do that?

[00:19:04]See, my answer was answered automatically. I've got saved, had questions, read Genesis 3, and I'm like, "Oh."

[00:19:14]And then the lenses in my eyes changed when I looked at humanity. See, Islam now goes teaches that Muslims are the best of creatures and Jews and Christians are trash. They're lower than cattle because they happen to be not Muslim.

[00:19:33]The Christian faith teaches we are all fallen and we all need a savior to which g to why the world is the way that it is. Why an atheist is an atheist. Why somebody wakes up? Nobody wakes up and decides, "Oh, I want to be a drunkard."

[00:19:50]Nobody wakes up and decides, "Oh, I want to go ahead and be addicted to drugs."

[00:19:54]Nobody does that. Something leads that leads to that.

[00:20:00]And the Christian worldview, the biblical worldview answers these questions. So my glasses, my view of the world changed where now instead of me looking at somebody that's walking in the streets drunk talking to himself, thinking to myself, "Oh, thank you Allah that you didn't make me like this person." Now there's compassion.

[00:20:22]Now there's you I I want to pray for this person.

[00:20:31]That's what you do.

[00:20:37]God did not make a mistake. Humans disobeyed God.

[00:20:44]That's what happened. God did not make a mistake. God told Adam, "Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

[00:20:55]The tree of the knowledge of good or you shall surely die.

[00:21:02]Adam and Eve ate from it. They disobeyed God. They were deceived.

[00:21:07]And then this happened. But God out of his love and mercy sent his only son.

[00:21:13]And he he he uh he went ahead and said that we're going to send up a savior. And that savior came Jesus Christ. Which is why Jesus also is called the second Adam. I was going to pull up all all the scriptures and I realized I am not prepared for all of that. But yeah, that that is it.

[00:21:35]Homie, you can't just say lies and not back it up.

[00:21:41]Show me how is the lies.

[00:21:57]One second.

[00:22:01]So that that's how you base your that's how you base your truth instead of going and being like, oh um let me look into this or oh like whatever you that's how you base your truth. This is how I feel. I don't like this Christian stuff. I don't like this idea of God. I don't like this idea of or of sin and unrighteousness that oh I am a sinner actually in need of a savior. So instead of actually considering these things you say lies.

[00:22:50]That's not logic. You're not I logically think that's not logic.

[00:23:00]That's not logic. Anyway, let me go ahead over here.

[00:23:05]Let me go ahead. Let me finish up over here.

[00:23:14]Good afternoon. Good afternoon.

[00:23:18]Good afternoon.

[00:23:20]Let me go here. All right.

[00:23:26]So, yeah. All right. Where am I? Oh, did I stop saving that?

[00:23:34]Where is the Oh, yeah. Something silly happened.

[00:23:42]That's why I can't find it. All right, let's go. matter in the sense of how we're defining those categories.

[00:23:50]Uh when we're talking about someone like Alexander the Great, we're waiting about 450 years between when he lived.

[00:23:57]Alexander the Great, aka Dularn, aka a Muslim, aka according to the truthful religion of Al Islam, the sun sets in a pool of murky water that see history says that Dulin was a was the most pagans of all the pagans that ever paganed the earth.

[00:24:23]Islam says, "Oh no, he was a Muslim.

[00:24:30]Subhan Allah. Subhan Allah."

[00:24:35]And when our first kind of comprehensive biographical material comes up, so there's a guy named Aryan who who wrote our first kind of comprehensive biography. And it's not that we distrust that biographical material. There's reasons to believe that Aryan got significant details about Alexander the Great's life right.

[00:24:55]>> But it was 450 years later.

[00:24:56]>> It was. And that's not unusual for the ancient world. I think because we live in such a hyperiterate culture, we assume that people should be writing things down during the lifetimes of individuals, right? And that's just not how things operated in the ancient world.

[00:25:10]>> And it's not um charitable either or realistic.

[00:25:16]like people now I think is not only a hyper literate world that we live in right now. I think it's also like how people are like they think because we get now in the year 2026 our information so quick like we could send out text messages we can send out emails we can go ahead and post things up on social media with as the information comes we have our TVs where we watch our newses we uh we can go ahead and read a journal article all these things how we go ahead and get our information that we forget that that's not how things worked back Then just because now with the with the information with the with technology and the internet and all of these things that we were that we're able to get information in real time and very little effort like relatively speaking to how news spread back in the day.

[00:26:14]Now it's like rel relatively speaking hardly any effort at all.

[00:26:23]I mean so it's not charitable and it's not realistic.

[00:26:28]Okay, that's something that needs to be taken into consideration >> is some of the best biographies we have by individuals uh like uh Valis Peterculus or Tacitus or Sutonius or Cassodio of the Roman emperors are coming in periods after they actually lived sometimes centuries afterwards right and and this is just the norm and the fact that we're waiting a few decades for Jesus is actually closer in proximity and interestingly enough I would argue within the kind of cultural and uh uh literary memory of Jesus >> than the vast majority of the people who we would just kind of assume existed within the ancient world.

[00:27:18]>> Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that.

[00:27:20]>> That's cool. Okay. Um I've got a whole bunch of questions that I spent a bit of time on. Okay. And I don't was like sometimes >> you see I like how she responds. She hears it and she's like she's soaking in what Wes is saying and she's like that's cool because she's listening.

[00:27:41]She's like she's not I don't get the I don't get the impression she's just bringing him on just to bring him on. I think and I think that's awesome and I think that's really good for the rest of her subscribers, those who listen to our podcast to see and witness. So that's yeah, let me see. Muslims, let's see.

[00:28:11]Yes, the same lies that you choose to believe.

[00:28:16]It's just easier for you to believe that. Oh, even though you have the truth suppressed in unrighteousness. Romans 1. Period.

[00:28:26]That's it. But you choose to believe the lies of the world because it just happens to make you feel better. The idea of a creator God having authority over you in your life makes you feel uncomfortable.

[00:28:49]That's what's going on with you.

[00:28:53]But here's the thing. While you are a sinner, God the one who has an authority over you and your life sent his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for your sins and rose again on the third day bodily and is going to come back and judge. So, it's not like you're a sinner and then you're uh and then you have zero hope. There is hope.

[00:29:21]There is hope. There is hope in Jesus.

[00:29:28]So stop believing the lies that's so easily spread now on social media and the news and the internet and everything. Stop it. You acknowledge it's easy to spread lies, but you're believing those lies.

[00:29:45]I want to have a conversation, but there are a bunch of things I actually want answered. So, I'm going to run through a few of them.

[00:29:50]>> Okay. Um, how close how close are modern Bibles to original manuscripts and does it matter which translation you read from your perspective?

[00:30:00]>> Yeah, that's a great question. So, interestingly enough, one of the points that I make when I often do presentations on this is that as time goes on, we're not getting farther away from the original wording of the Bible.

[00:30:11]We're actually getting closer to it.

[00:30:12]>> Okay.

[00:30:13]>> So, though, >> isn't that fascinating? And it makes so much sense.

[00:30:17]>> Time chronologically goes on. I would argue that because of the evidence that we've actually had the privilege to be available to us, mainly the manuscripts, although not limited to it, we are able to track and trace the chain of custody back to the original wording more accurately. So the way I often word this is if you compare say a modern translation of the Bible to something like the King James Bible.

[00:30:45]>> Yeah.

[00:30:45]>> So the King James Bible is translated between 1604 and 1611. It's translated not from handwritten manuscripts as much as it's translated from printed editions of the Greek New Testament and Hebrew Old Testament. Okay?

[00:30:57]>> So there's a printed edition of the Blom Blombberg Hebrew text and then there are these seven printed editions of the Greek New Testament.

[00:31:07]>> Um five by a guy named Desidarius Arasmus who was this great Dutch scholar in the Middle Ages and then updates by a guy named Stfanus and a guy named Basa.

[00:31:18]And that kind of >> this is actually important because but Muslims going to be like oh you see the Quran the Bible is it is corrupted they don't have the original they don't have zus they don't have zat but if you use the brain cells if you if Muslims were not scared to form craters into their brains means all right and thought they would realize that this the stuff like this actually is a good thing and testifies to the truth of the Christian faith. Again, that's assuming also you believe in God because remember the Quran affirms these things but it goes and contradicts it and the authenticity of the manuscripts in the Bible that we have now and that it is not corrupted.

[00:32:32]M so let me go ahead continue >> sits like as the center the like the base for what the King James translators are primarily using.

[00:32:42]>> Okay.

[00:32:43]>> The main texts that are being used are the additions of Arasmus. Those are primarily built on 31 approximate manuscripts um that go back to approximately the 11th century. So there's a there's a bit of a there's a bit of a blurriness to that. Uh Arasimus consulted an an individual named Bombas in Rome to check a manuscript that existed in the Vatican known as Codex Vaticanis which is actually from the 4th century. But if we skip ahead like 2026 today, we're not only aware of those 31 approximate manuscripts that the King James translations base text was relied upon, but we have close just over 5,000 more Greek manuscripts that have been dug up and have been analyzed and have been transcribed and translated and so on and so forth. And so that's not to cast.

[00:33:39]>> You don't have the original that's translated.

[00:33:43]It's translated.

[00:33:46]You don't have the original >> dispersion on the King James Bible, which I think is a very well done translation, especially for its time. We just have more information in the 19th.

[00:33:57]>> You have more information than the old Bible.

[00:34:02]You add on to your Christianity in the Bible, said an ignorant Muslim who doesn't know about textual criticism.

[00:34:13]all of these things.

[00:34:16]>> We just dug out more.

[00:34:17]>> That that definitely makes sense. So when people are read reading like ESV, >> that doesn't necessarily mean it's like the dumbed down version of the King James.

[00:34:26]>> No, definitely not. Um because modern translations take into account the breadth of the evidence. So the vast majority of the manuscript evidence that we have in terms of something like the earliest copies of the papyrie there's the you know the documents written between the 2nd and 4th centuries on papyrus were just not we we didn't even know of them >> uh in in the 17th century when the King James translators now the King James translators would have utilized that if they had it they just didn't have it.

[00:34:59]Um, and so in in regards to that, yeah, an ESV is taking into consideration the breadth of the material.

[00:35:10]>> Cool.

[00:35:10]>> And something like the Dead Sea Scrolls, right? It did, you know, those were discovered between 1946 and 1957. And so we just know more now. So that's why I say, you know, as time goes on, even though chronologically, the 17th century is closer to the first century than we are, >> the available data that we've been able to analyze and study uh is just far more in the in the modern era.

[00:35:38]>> Imagine your favorite lecture.

[00:35:40]>> Oh, no. All right, let me go ahead and skip skip.

[00:35:47]There we go.

[00:35:50]So, let's go ahead. Felt like I was cheating using using the ESV because I was like, I get it. It resonates. It feels good, but like, am I am I doing things I don't know >> the easy way or something?

[00:36:03]>> Yeah. I mean, if you want to read a King James version, I have no problem with that. But I think there is aspects of the language that is archaic there.

[00:36:10]There's language, and this isn't the fault of the King James translators.

[00:36:13]There are certain >> Yeah. before we go in. I think when I first became Oh, yeah. It was a myth until it wasn't.

[00:36:28]Yep.

[00:36:33]When I first became a Christian, I had a you know in Islam they you believe the lie that the Quran has never been corrupted. So what became a uh a um something that was attractive to me and appealing was the idea and belief that the KJV version of the Bible was the uh perfect unchanged um true interp uh true translation of the Bible like as if Paul spoke in KJV English, right? until I spoke with my pastor uh at the time and my pastor what he did he did a really good job with explaining to me the difference between literal translations and dynamic translations. So with the literal translation what you have and it it aims that translation aims to be for to be a word for word and accuracy and it what it does it preserves the original text structure right and then there's the dynamic where a focus on thought for thought.

[00:37:47]So it's not it's so the the structure is different. So one the literal while it um it it focuses on preserving the the original text structure the dynamic translation what it prioritizes is the readability and comprehension of the the text. So it's like okay for some people let's say reading the um NASB may be a little bit too woody for them. You know it's a little bit harder of a read. So instead they can go ahead and read something like the NIV where they go and they have the the the idea the the the the comprehension. They're able to read it easier and understand it easier. Um same thing with the ESV. The ESV will be considered more of a literal translation than uh uh than that. So, um, that would be something that's interesting.

[00:38:55]Okay, let me see here.

[00:38:59]Let me put up like I'm talking and having this information and I'm not even actually showing.

[00:39:06]Yeah. So, that's what you end up having.

[00:39:09]So again, like literal uh examples of a literal translation that focuses on preserving the original text structure would be something like the NASB, the New American Standard uh Bible, and the ESV, the English Standard Version. And then you'll have like the NIV, for example, would be the dynamic. That's the one that I use. So, it's like for me personally, I would read I if I were to read a I prefer the ESV. That's just what I got used to.

[00:39:42]Like after my pastor at the time taught me these things cuz they were teaching from the ESV, I was like, "Oh, okay, cool." And then I was more open. Um, but like something like the CSB or the NIV or like these translations are good if you want to have like a time of uh devotion to God, you know, whereas the more word forword original text structure prioritizing kind of uh Bible translation will be done. It will be really good for like you know uh like looking for what the intended meaning of certain words at the time and whatnot. So yeah for study for deep study and there's like so it's cool whereas in the in Islam you have the Quran but they don't put those things into consideration. So, um, he's going to end up talking right now about the certain language and certain words that are used in the KJV, but I do want to show this because this was actually the the chart that was shown to me, but it was a printed version. Let me see.

[00:40:58]No, no, no.

[00:41:02]Homie, no.

[00:41:06]So, let me go here.

[00:41:10]Let me go share.

[00:41:15]Let's see if you go ahead and read. All right. See this one over here. Really?

[00:41:20]So you have the I wonder if I could open this up and make it bigger because this is the So if you can go ahead and see that. Can you see that?

[00:41:47]Yeah. So what you have here is like you have the word for word translation, the thought forthought and then the paraphrase. So what you would have is like first you'll have the interlinear obviously and then the NASB, the amplified ESV and it'll go on and then you have the KJV over here and you have the different thought for thoughts and then you have the paraphrases.

[00:42:14]So these are different uh transliterations of what the Bible is.

[00:42:23]But yeah, just read your Bible. It don't matter what translation you want to go ahead read your Bible. All right, let me go share my screen again.

[00:42:47]All right.

[00:42:49]First, let me go see this chat.

[00:42:58]Let me motor. Okay.

[00:43:01]All right. Let me go ahead.

[00:43:04]>> Uh titled the use and abuse of the King James Bible. And in it, he has lists of words that are either outdated or have actually changed their meaning.

[00:43:13]>> Oh, yeah. Of course, >> you're gonna run into words. So, the the key example that um my friend Mark uses is halt. So, in the story of Elijah and the prophets of Baal, you have this kind of grand narrative. Elijah's in this competition. Uh we at my house for our kids, we have this this book that's called the the God contest and it's the story of Elijah and the prophets of Baal, right? The prophets of Baal, they come and they're challenged by Elijah.

[00:43:41]You know, if Baal is the God that exists, you you try to sacrifice. You you put some put the bulls on the altar and see if Baal can call down fire to burn things up. Then doesn't work. So then Elijah gets them to pour all this water on the altar, you know, really soak it. And then he calls down fire from Yahweh, from God. And then he burns up and there's nothing left. And in the meantime, he's mocking the prophets of Baal. You know, maybe Baal's on the toilet. Maybe Ba's gone for gone for a vacation kind of thing.

[00:44:07]>> So I guess Bale and Allah have something in common because Allah ain't doing nothing.

[00:44:13]Um >> Allah's in the toilet from eating too much halal Taco Bell.

[00:44:18]Um but in the midst of that the King James translation has this this terminology where it says >> or is Allah in the toilet for eating from eating too much spoiled shawarma h >> he's he's talking to Israel and he says how long will the halt and so you think okay well what does that word mean halt well if I ask you you know Michaela what does the word halt mean >> like stop suddenly Yeah, exactly right.

[00:44:49]Halt who goes there kind of thing, right?

[00:44:51]>> But if you look at like an ESV, um, it says something like, "How long will you go back and forth?"

[00:44:58]>> Oh, yeah. That's not the same thing.

[00:44:59]>> And you're like, "Wait, wait a minute.

[00:45:01]What's where's the what's happening here?" Right?

[00:45:04]>> That's a way different Yeah.

[00:45:06]>> Until you go to the New Testament and you find out that Jesus does things like he cures, he heals the halt and the blind.

[00:45:14]And halt in Elizabeth and King James language means to to be like physically disabled to to stumble like. And so when Elijah says, "How long will you halt thee?" It's like, "How long will you you kind of limp in in regards to this decision?"

[00:45:33]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:33]>> And so that's one that's even like a word that we would associate with something that's archaic, you know, halt. Who goes there?

[00:45:39]>> But we're still getting it wrong.

[00:45:41]>> Wow.

[00:45:42]>> Right. And that same you know that same uh reasoning can be applied to the Quran. The Quran was written, first written, it didn't have the vowel sounds or the dots or anything, right? And like when you go out and think about it, religion, not religion, I'm sorry. Uh, language changes how we use words change. Language evolves. Like old English sounds absolutely nothing like the English we talk right now. like we would not understand what they're saying.

[00:46:23]So what he's doing right now is comparing to like looking at okay this is what the KJV teaches. This is the English that they spoke comparing it to a translation like the ESV.

[00:46:36]It's using language that we can go ahead and understand and that that's what's important. It's like for the we want our readers who read the God's word to actually understand what's being said, not just read just for the sake of reading.

[00:47:00]And so there are things like that. There are things uh there are other words that we just don't use anymore. Um and they're just passages in the King James. So, if if someone is like starting out and they they're just assuming, well, the King James is the Bible. I'll read the King James. I think they're it's not the worst thing they could possibly do. I just think they're going to be better served with a modern translation that's actually going to be understandable.

[00:47:26]>> I I was >> and I was pretty familiar with the King James. Not from a not from like a a Christian perspective exactly, but I was familiar with it. But ESV, I was like this just there's like less of a it's less hard to listen to God. I think that way if it's in an understandable language, but I was like maybe I'm being lazy or something. But I like that argument. I like the halt argument. I'm going to remember that.

[00:47:50]>> Yeah.

[00:47:50]>> When she said she was feeling lazy or something about preferring the ESV and the KJV, I actually like I felt bad. I was like, no. Like God wants you to understand what he's saying. It's like what he wants for you is to read his word.

[00:48:06]>> He doesn't care what translation you're reading out of.

[00:48:13]>> That's very interesting.

[00:48:14]>> I often say like the English Bible is changed, but it's changed for the sake of clarity, not corruption. So it's it's in order to actually be understood, read, and applied to your life, it makes sense that there are just and we just find more about what certain terms mean.

[00:48:33]So in the King James at I think I think it's 2 Chronicles 26:18, it says at Parbar westward, four at the causeway and two at Parbar. So you read that and you go, I don't know what that means.

[00:48:44]Right? Um, you read the ESV and it says something like, "As for the court to the west, there were two at the court and four at the road itself." You're like, "Okay, I know what that means." And there are certain words that in the 17th century they didn't know what a parbar was, >> so they transliterated it. The Hebrew word is literally parbar.

[00:49:06]>> And so they were like, "We don't know what this word means. We'll transliterate it." And so, but now because of our expansion of the Seemetic language, we know that means a court and so we can translate it as court. So, yeah, does that impact like the essential truths of the Christian faith?

[00:49:22]No. But >> do you want to know what it actually says?

[00:49:25]>> Yes. Then read, you know, an NIV, an ESB, an NL, an an NIV, an NLT. You're you're going to be best served in that way.

[00:49:33]>> Cool. Okay. Um, what's your perspective on?

[00:49:39]So, now let's compare that to what's going on here. Let's compare that to How did I do that? Holy moly.

[00:49:53]H to what? Uh to the Quran.

[00:50:00]Let's compare that to the Quran.

[00:50:03]Yeah. change for clarification, not for corruption because language evolves.

[00:50:12]The English that we uh from the old English from back then was very different than the English that we know now. Or let me go ahead pull up something. Um um let me Google uh uh old Mhm. Let's see.

[00:50:37]Let me see if I could find something uh of like really super old English.

[00:50:51]Okay.

[00:50:56]All right, here is I have no idea what this is, but this is old English.

[00:51:02]Can somebody un tell me what in the world this says? Wait, let me go make it bigger. You know what? Let me go.

[00:51:16]What is this? This is English. This is old writings of old English.

[00:51:25]So, let's see here. This is the Lord's Prayer right here. Can y'all see that?

[00:51:31]That's the Lord's Prayer.

[00:51:33]You see the difference?

[00:51:36]See, this is even KJV English. That's over here to your right.

[00:51:42]And then to your left, this is the old English.

[00:51:47]Nobody speaks like this no more. If somebody came and talked to you in this kind of English, you'd be like, "What in the world are you talking about? What are you saying?

[00:52:03]I can I do not understand the words that are coming out of your mouth."

[00:52:12]But then when we look to now to the right, while we have an idea what this says, nobody speaks like that now. And there are people that read English and they have no idea what what is thou what's an art? Does God do does the father do art in heaven?

[00:52:37]Yes.

[00:52:39]That's a very good point. Sting of truth said, "Suffer now means to be in pain.

[00:52:43]Used to mean hinder. Let used to mean to hold back, but now it means to not hold back."

[00:52:51]Yes.

[00:52:56]So there's a legitimacy why we have so many like, you know, transliterations of the Bible in English.

[00:53:09]It's important that people know these things. It's important that people understand what the Bible says.

[00:53:21]Like what good is to have a book and we go and say, "Hey, go ahead and read it.

[00:53:26]This is the word of God." But they don't understand the words that it says.

[00:53:32]We just assume like, "Here you go.

[00:53:36]We're not Muslims.

[00:53:39]We're not Muslims. Where you have Muslims in China and Indonesia and India and Pakistan and anywhere you Bangladesh, name all the countries, American Muslims, uh, uh, Italian Muslims, all these Muslims that now they they're Muslims, but they don't understand.

[00:53:55]They're just reading sounds, but they don't understand what they're reading. See, we want as Christians and those who transliterate the Bible, the Lord God Almighty himself doesn't just want people to read blindly and not understand. He does not want people to memorize blindly and not understand.

[00:54:20]He wants us to understand his word.

[00:54:29]So, Muslims that have a problem with this, that don't understand these things and want to go ahead and claim corruption, like guys, Muslims that are listening now or sometime in the future, you literally have your own problems.

[00:54:49]You have manuscripts that was eaten by a sheep or a goat while Muhammad was on his deathbed. Now, first of all, praise God that it was eaten.

[00:55:04]And then you have Aman who didn't think ahead because again I he he just wanted to control like Muhammad was Muhammad was dead like he didn't even have a say in this. who decided on burning manuscripts of the Quran.

[00:55:23]Having manuscripts is a good thing to be able to go and compare.

[00:55:30]So we can confidently say that the message while the wording isn't exactly the same. We have the science called textual criticism where we can go ahead and say the wording isn't the same but the message is the same message that was preached.

[00:55:56]So let's go see this. Let me go ahead and share pull up this now. So, let me go ahead pull this up.

[00:56:09]Let me see if I can make this bigger.

[00:56:14]Okay, what does this say?

[00:56:20]So, I'm going to read this and I'll go ahead and uh go back. So, remember this is all right. It was narrated from Aisha that the prophet entered upon her and there was a man with her. He said, "Who is this?" She said, "This is my brother." He said, "Look at whom you allow to enter upon you because the breastfeeding that makes a person a maharam is that which satisfies hunger."

[00:56:43]First of all, creepy. Very creepy.

[00:56:48]But because she she uh breastfed Aisha breastfed a dude, he was she was able to call him her brother and now that person makes him a maham so he can be around her. First of all, you see, I think there's stuff like this that makes me like that kind of like solidifies my theory that Muhammad wasn't actually a straight heterosexual man and that the amount of wives and concubines and stuff that he had was just uh uh for show, just to display his power.

[00:57:47]Because no heterosexual man would that that was actually interested in strictly women would say something like this.

[00:58:03]Like I would like the chat to tell me would a strictly heterosexual man actually believe that it's a good thing.

[00:58:18]Mind you, I should hear is she's younger than 18.

[00:58:28]How old are these men that she's breastfeeding?

[00:58:33]She didn't have babies.

[00:58:39]What exactly is she feeding?

[00:58:44]Or is this a scientific miracle?

[00:58:50]Come on.

[00:58:57]Something sounds suspicious.

[00:59:00]The story of the Alz now is sounding even more likely. And that definitely was not the angel Gabriel. It was Dia Kelby. It it that's the only thing that goes ahead and makes sense.

[00:59:17]And the messenger of Allah there is no breastfeeding except that which fills the stomach.

[00:59:24]I What was Aisha breastfeeding with? She had not she was not and mind you this is the ch on the chapter of marriage.

[00:59:39]Okay, let me now go back.

[00:59:50]My gosh, it's it's very very disturbing.

[00:59:54]Anyways, but those verses, see this is Hassan. It was narrated that Aisha said the verse of stoning and breastfeeding an adult 10 times was revealed.

[01:00:22]Aisha Muhammad when Muhammad uh croaked Aisha was 18.

[01:00:32]So I do believe that we could safely say that Aisha was under 18 years old while she was breastfeeding grown men.

[01:00:58]US 30 trend tracker says this breastfeeding is weird because don't women get milk when pregnant and after they go ahead and give birth. It starts off towards the end of their pregnancy where they start developing their milk ducks and all these things and then after she gives birth, which again I'm asking Huh?

[01:01:39]Hello.

[01:01:41]What is going on here? Again, I'm like this is this is why I say I really believe that Muhammad was not a straight heterosexual man because no heterosexual man will say things, "Oh, go breastfeed grown men and it was revealed by Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala so they could go ahead and become your maharam.

[01:02:14]And I Aisha didn't like it. I 100% believe Aisha did that. Aisha made it that a uh a tame sheep or a goat or whatever it may be ate it while when the messenger of Allah died. And so oh we were preoccupied with his death and the tamed sheep came in and ate it. Remember and look at this. These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling but not ruling.

[01:03:10]And your prophet was a homosexual who didn't understand that straight men won't look at this and be like and during 7th century Arabia and be like, "Oh, now I'm going to be a How about you address that but we're going to talk about the preservation of the Quran an animal a farm animal was stronger than Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala that right when Muhammad died portions of the Quran was eaten You literally worship a human being and going to hell. Say homie, you literally worship a human being.

[01:04:22]Everything that you do is what would Muhammad do? The whole idea of the sunnah, the idea of the sunnah is everything that Muhammad did. You want to mimic and do everything Muhammad did. Allah is just in a back burner for you.

[01:04:41]The sunnah is idolatry and man worship.

[01:04:46]So at least Jesus claimed and said about himself that he is God that there is equality between him and the father.

[01:04:57]He claimed to be God sent from the father.

[01:05:03]Jesus is God. So yeah he's fully God and fully man. Whereas Muhammad never claimed such things.

[01:05:14]Muslims worship a man and his name is Muhammad and they make partners with their Allah Muhammad their god Muhammad in the form of a book called the Quran.

[01:05:35]This is why whenever Muslims see desecration of the Quran, they go crazy.

[01:05:52]But if anybody says anything against Allah, they don't do go they don't go crazy. I can draw a picture of Muhammad.

[01:06:03]all hell will break loose because that's their god.

[01:06:10]And if I rip the page of the Quran, they'll go crazy because they're that's their second god.

[01:06:22]Make it make sense.

[01:06:25]And at the end of the and and if you just got mad about this, I mean like again, homie, bro, dude, we literally have Allah allowed an animal, a farm animal to come eat portions of the Quran.

[01:06:50]So I I don't know what your deal is over here. And I wasn't even planning on doing all of this stuff, but like I I I just needed to have a visual to show the ridiculousness of what you're saying. So, this was just a visual of the ridiculousness. That's it.

[01:07:06]And yes, this is on the side here.

[01:07:12]Quran pieces with the pig on the toilet.

[01:07:16]Yes.

[01:07:18]Anyway, and this over here is my goat.

[01:07:28]What with the piece of the Quran to symbolize the breastfeeding passages that it was eaten.

[01:07:44]Let me go see.

[01:07:52]It says Sahara uh the free says, "Proud ex-Muslim women here and I'm thankful I left this cult and hope and pray more people, specifically women, would break free of this cult." Amen and amen.

[01:08:06]Praise God. And make more and more I pray God have more women leave Islam. Leave that dust cult. Islam is a religion like all other false worldviews, but especially Islam that targets the most vulnerable women and children that more and more leave that demonic, terrible, disgusting, evil religion that is Islam. And I pray all that in Jesus name. And then they also come on the internet and demolish that faith. They just demolish it.

[01:08:47]That's what we need.

[01:08:49]Just to prove that Allah was wrong, Muhammad was a liar, that women are not half brains.

[01:08:59]So I need Muslims now to uh answer this for me. Like come on, let me go here.

[01:09:15]Okay. What did I do?

[01:09:23]Okay.

[01:09:24]Let me Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and share that again.

[01:09:40]I still want.

[01:09:44]Does any Muslim have an answer for this though?

[01:09:57]Does any Muslim have an answer for this?

[01:10:09]I mean like, oh, the Bible is corrupted.

[01:10:12]The Bible is corrupted.

[01:10:16]Is it though?

[01:10:19]Is it though? Do you know what corruption is? Now, again, I'm not mad.

[01:10:24]I am not mad at all that this uh portion of the Quran is gone. I I believe that out of the sovereignty of God, the Lord has mercy on little girls and women because again it's like Aisha, she was not even lactating.

[01:10:55]So you can't even interpret interpret the idea the meaning of what it me like like uh breastfeeding as if there's even she's lactating and feeding.

[01:11:07]She wasn't even lactating.

[01:11:12]And we only know, we know, we know 100.

[01:11:15]There's there's a list of others, other young girls that had to do this because Muhammad said it was a good idea.

[01:11:29]So you could be around these dudes and they could be your maham.

[01:11:39]Islam is disgusting.

[01:11:48]It is a disgusting religion. It is an evil, disgusting, demonic religion. Let me go back and say that again here narrated.

[01:12:05]Like it's literally all these breastfeeding It was narrated by Aisha. The prophet entered upon her and there was a man with her. So a man entered. Well, you can we also make the argument that maybe, just maybe, the Shia are not 100% wrong and that maybe, just maybe, Aisha got sick and tired of Mama's dusty self.

[01:12:53]Now, I'm not condoning it. It's disgusting either way, but I'm just saying she was also still a child bride.

[01:13:01]She got pushed on him when she was six and draped when she was nine by him.

[01:13:17]But that does not defeat but that still let's say she will let's look at the most positive light for Aisha like like the most positive light she as a under 18year-old again under 18 because Muhammad is still alive and he died when when she was 18. Okay.

[01:13:41]somebody that's below the age of 18 having grown men grown men breastfeed on her and she was not even lactating.

[01:13:59]The verse of stoning and breastfeeding an adult 10 times revealed this verse was abrogated in recitation but not in ruling.

[01:14:09]So there's there's multiple layers to this is about the corruption of the Quran.

[01:14:14]How a whole how a farm animal defeated Allah. a farm animal is stronger than Allah.

[01:14:26]and then discuss the nature of Islam and Muhammad and how and also how this can feed into an argument a very good argument that Muhammad was he swung the other way because no straight woman loving man would come up with rulings such as this thinking ah it's Okay.

[01:14:57]But who am I?

[01:15:01]Who am I?

[01:15:06]Now, there's also this, too. Cuz if we're going to go something that's nasty like this, we go ahead and I'm going to close with this.

[01:15:17]Let me close with this.

[01:15:21]Share my screen.

[01:15:34]this hadith. Let's read it. Let's read it together. Let's read. Oh, you don't know the context. Okay, let's read it.

[01:15:40]narrated an Malik blah blah blah blah blah man at the time when the people of Shem and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and uh Adjan um blah was afraid of their the people of Shem and Iraq differences in the recitation of the Quran. So he said there was differences in the recitation of the Quran and It has to be in the actual words.

[01:16:13]They had to have been made different because didn't Muhammad in the past say, "Oh yeah, there's different types of recitations or you could say certain things differently." But then yet here Alman is like, "Nah, there's problems. Let's go ahead and finish reading."

[01:16:30]Let's go ahead and finish reading.

[01:16:34]Oh no. What? What did I do? Ah.

[01:16:42]Oh, look at me. I'm playing now. Oh, yeah.

[01:16:46]Let's go ahead.

[01:16:50]All right. Oh, okay. Difference is in recitation of the Quran. So, he said toman, "Oh, chief of the believers." So, Muhammad's dead now. All right. He croked. He croaked. Aisha is 18. All right.

[01:17:03]Uh I I don't know if she's continuing to breastfeed people, but Right. Yeah, that happened. Um so he's dead. So now he's being called the chief of believers.

[01:17:18]Oh, chief of believers, save this nation before they differ about the book, the Quran, as Jews and Christians did before. So man sent a message to Havza saying send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you.

[01:17:40]Hza sent it to Alman then ordered Zadb Abdullah bin Zuber say bin what all these names blah blah blah blah blah to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. Now anybody that knows anything anything about writing anything you're not going to get a perfect copy.

[01:18:07]People make mistakes.

[01:18:13]Okay.

[01:18:15]People make mistakes.

[01:18:18]How you going to get a perfect copy?

[01:18:23]Yeah.

[01:18:28]So that right there should be like, whoa. So, so any Muslim that's going to read this hadith and be like, see, they wrote it perfectly. We have perfect copies. Like, bro, we can't even type up perfect copies of anything without having typos. And we have the technology of spell check, of grammar check.

[01:18:53]So, if we can't do that perfectly with typing, what in the world? And electricity.

[01:19:02]What makes you think they did?

[01:19:05]Come on. Come on, guys. Let's be realistic. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Uh uh realistic.

[01:19:16]Okay. So, perfect copies and return the manuscripts. Then, Alman then ordered blah blah blah to write the manuscripts in perfect copies.

[01:19:25]said to the three Qurayshi men, in case you disagree with Zadbin on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of the Quraysh.

[01:19:38]The Quran was revealed in their tongue.

[01:19:42]They did so and when they had written many copies, Otman returned the original manuscripts to Hamza. man sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Quranic materials, whether written in fragmentaryary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

[01:20:10]This is now, oh, this is the proof. He's trying to protect the Quranic tradition or whatever it may be called. But that's actually a problem.

[01:20:25]What are you follow? White trash panda is following in the footsteps of Muhammad. He can't read.

[01:20:32]Come on, white trash panda.

[01:20:35]Please don't cover up to Islam on me.

[01:20:40]Please don't.

[01:20:46]Which actually puts in the the authority and the preservation of the Quran actually like how can we test that?

[01:20:57]How can we test what the Quran we have today was the Quran revealed revealed to Muhammad? How can we test that?

[01:21:12]We can't.

[01:21:16]We cannot.

[01:21:24]So which accent is this accent?

[01:21:33]Is is this the accent?

[01:21:38]Which accent? Explain to me.

[01:21:48]So, we have the idea. We listened to I I have I posted up the link to that whole uh interview.

[01:21:59]My English accent is very good.

[01:22:02]Oh, thank you.

[01:22:06]My uh so yeah, I posted up the whole thing onto the uh in the description. I actually recommend you guys to watch it.

[01:22:14]It's a really good interview. Um they go into other things. They she asked about uh testy uh uh testy topics and stuff. Um, but he gives very good answers to them. He does really well in this thing. So, um, I would recommend to go watch it. If you haven't liked the stream, like it.

[01:22:40]If you haven't shared it yet, share it.

[01:22:45]Um, thank you so much for popping on, whatnot. I think uh let me go see something.

[01:22:55]Is is is is cuz I know. Let me see.

[01:23:06]Is he still live?

[01:23:09]Um nope. He Nope. Yeah, he is. So, God Logic is still live. I am going to hop in on Elle's live stream. She has a live stream happening right now. Can you convince us to believe Muhammad? And uh so that's where I'm going right now. So if you guys whoever's watching here can go to L um to Lamream, you guys can go ahead and do that. Um so with that being said, again, I'm going to be going on more often. Um um and peace and grace, guys. See you guys in a different stream.

[01:23:54]All right. So let me leave him there.