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[00:00:03][music] They're actually admitted this. The reason you he said you're out here is to show a presence of force >> and to be somewhat denied and show intimidation. And if you're going to sit here and blatantly violate a p no parking thing, then what else are you going to blatantly violate of our rights and our tax dollars? You can know, you see my face. You see, they got people got videos everywhere. Show shows who I am. Not to mention, I'm not going to go on the property. I'm No, I'm going to stay on public property. You don't have to have my identification in order to trespass me.

[00:00:37]>> Three cities, three confrontations, and one question every freedomloving American needs to ask. Have you ever had an encounter with police that made you think, "Wait, can they actually do that?" Drop a pro in the comments and tell us your wildest police story.

[00:00:53][music] Tonight, we're heading to Anderson, South Carolina, De Mo, Iowa, and deep into moments where tension exploded fast. What starts as simple cameras and questions suddenly turns into allegations of tyrants, blue privilege, copowned moments, crazy cops, major meltdowns, and biggest mistakes [music] caught on camera. From officers accused of parking where citizens can't to police allegedly covering for each other to a nationwide security encounter that spirals into an unforgettable [music] First Amendment showdown. Credit to Dragonfire News for documenting and publishing these encounters and helping spread awareness about civil liberties and constitutional rights. Their original channel link is in the description and on screen. Go subscribe, support them, and tell them ID refusal pro sent you because we love civil rights like we love breathing. Now the question is when cameras roll and pressure rises, who really knows the law? Because around here, one camera can [music] expose everything. ID Refusal Pro, where silence ends and accountability [music] begins.

[00:01:57]>> All right, everybody. This is Dragon T with Dragon Fire News South Carolina and this is week two of Officer Tyranny downtown.

[00:02:08]Today is Friday, July 21st, I believe. Let me recheck that to be safe.

[00:02:18]July 24th, excuse me. Friday, July 24th.

[00:02:22]And we are downtown Anderson, South Carolina.

[00:02:26]Deming the officers in officer tyranny.

[00:02:31]Go walk up here and get these officers on camera.

[00:02:37]>> How you guys doing? Peace.

[00:02:40]>> What's that?

[00:02:46]>> Oh, I'm videoing the police. [laughter] >> That they're breaking the law right now, aren't they?

[00:02:54]>> I get it. You can't walk, right?

[00:02:56]>> Huh?

[00:02:56]>> You can't fault right now.

[00:02:58]>> No, I Well, and one officer always told me that they had special permission from the city. Now, how you going to have special permission from the city to break the law?

[00:03:07]>> How's that possible, people? I don't know. They're so above the law that they get to break it.

[00:03:13]>> Yeah, that's why.

[00:03:15]That's funny.

[00:03:20]Hey officers, >> members of the public would like you not to break the law and please park your vehicles in lawful parking places.

[00:03:30]Please.

[00:03:33]>> I'm not in the roadway. I'm in an easement. I'm in the parking spot.

[00:03:38]>> Huh?

[00:03:40]>> Excuse me?

[00:03:43]>> Parking spot is not the roadway.

[00:03:46]>> I'm in the parking spot.

[00:03:49]You're I'm the only people I see breaking the law is two two squad cars parked in the no parking zone.

[00:03:55]>> Can I get name and badge numbers, please?

[00:03:58]>> Your name?

[00:04:00]>> Huh?

[00:04:01]>> Sam.

[00:04:05]>> Your name and badge number.

[00:04:11]>> Thank you.

[00:04:12]>> I'm reporter Dragon T with Dragonfire News. Huh? Now, from what I understand, this is illegal. Correct.

[00:04:18]>> What's the >> How's it not illegal? If I would park up here, would I not get a ticket from you guys?

[00:04:24]>> So, is this a do as I is this a do as I say or do not as I do type state or law?

[00:04:30]I mean, cuz isn't this a violation of the law?

[00:04:34]>> How is it not a violation of the law?

[00:04:36]>> Huh?

[00:04:38]>> Parking here is not a violation of the law.

[00:04:40]>> What law?

[00:04:42]>> This is the no parking zone. Correct.

[00:04:43]What's What's the law?

[00:04:45]>> There's no parking on the center median.

[00:04:46]That's the law. It's a There's technically no parking here, right?

[00:04:51]>> You tell me. If I were to park up here, what are you going to give me a ticket for?

[00:04:55]>> You said, >> is it?

[00:05:00]>> I'm good. So, you're saying that I can legally park up here is what you're trying to tell me.

[00:05:04]>> I'm not telling you nothing. I'm just asking you a question.

[00:05:07]>> Well, according to the statute.

[00:05:09]>> What's up with you, man? According to the what I understand and from what the uh sheriff's department, state police said, >> that you're not allowed to park up here.

[00:05:21]>> Well, we've been told by the city manager, my man.

[00:05:23]>> But see, the city can't give you permission to >> Something shifts when enforcement [music] and public trust collide. Across many US states, police departments often receive operational discretion, [music] but that discretion does not erase public scrutiny. The First Amendment protects recording police [music] in public spaces and citizens retain the right to question government conduct.

[00:05:44]The legal tension is not always about a parking space. Sometimes it becomes a test of consistency. Viewers often remember one thing. [music] People watch how authority behaves when no one thinks they are being watched.

[00:05:56]>> Break the law.

[00:05:58]>> Okay.

[00:05:58]>> You need to take that up with the city then.

[00:06:00]>> I will, but I also need names and badge numbers so I can file complaints.

[00:06:03]>> I gave it to you already.

[00:06:04]>> Name and badge number.

[00:06:06]>> I already gave it to you. What was it? I didn't hear it because I was across the street and he asked me to told me to go ahead and come across.

[00:06:10]>> Yeah.

[00:06:12]>> Wagner.

[00:06:12]>> Wagner.

[00:06:13]>> 642.

[00:06:13]>> 642.

[00:06:15]>> 641.

[00:06:16]>> 641. And that you say BAM or Na Ham.

[00:06:19]Okay. H AM. So, all right.

[00:06:20]>> Bam.

[00:06:21]>> Well, I appreciate you guys' time. So, now you're saying that that the city gave you permission to do this.

[00:06:27]>> Now, how can the city get permission to violate the law?

[00:06:29]>> I don't know. You have to.

[00:06:31]>> All right. I will, but I'm still going to file a complaint against you guys. I have to hate to say it, but I also from what I was told and I have do have a an email into the office right now with your department with your com with your police department stating that you guys were not supposed to be parked out here.

[00:06:48]>> Okay.

[00:06:49]>> And that was the internal affairs. I do have a formal complaint, but the last time I was out here, I thought I filmed and I had three other officers down here and I didn't get names and badge numbers. I didn't approach them because I was just filming that and I'm doing an investigation on tyranny into the police department. And this to me is tyrannical because [music] it's a do as I say, not as I do attitude where's a disconnect between the people and the police officers because how am I supposed to take you serious giving me a parking ticket when you're going to park up here? Get what I'm saying? How am I supposed to take that seriously when you're violating the law doing it yourself? How am I supposed to take you seriously or say what you say is legal when you're doing it yourself? You get my point? You guys are supposed to be the role models of the people. You're supposed to follow the laws and above the laws because you have your own policies in the department you have to follow as well. So, you're supposed to be the people's role models. You work for the people. You're their servants.

[00:07:49]You're not authority authority over them unless they have a criminal infraction that's been violated. Am I wrong or am I right?

[00:07:59]So, I mean it look put yourself in my position. Would you be happy seeing an officer sitting up here when if I were to get ticketed for parking up here? Not to mention, it's also a a one, it's a violation of the parking code. Two, it's a continuous wear and tear on the people's club property, which we have to pay for to repair in the future on the vehicles and the concrete. So, you're violating two laws. You're not only vandalizing property of the public and the vehicles, but you're also parking in a no parking zone. And you're also another officer up the road there actually admitted this. The reason you he said you're out here is to show a presence of force >> and to be somewhat to my eyes and show intimidation. People are less likely to do something against the law with you being here. Right. So you're a presence of force. Intimidation. You're intimidating people from doing something illegal. Correct.

[00:08:56]>> I'm not trying to intimidate.

[00:08:57]>> Well, no, but your presence is.

[00:09:01]>> Not to mention sitting here having a drink and I was looking out the bar and seeing a squad car sitting there. That's not what I want to see when I'm trying to have fun. You know, >> I mean, you have every right to not visit these bars as well.

[00:09:14]>> I have every right to keep my police officers in line, too. And that this is a violation of the law that if I would get to So, you're saying I can go ahead and bring my car and park it up here, right? If you're telling me that it's not against the law and you're you're wanting to know the statute that it is, then I can go get grab my car and bring it up here and park it up here next to you guys and not get a ticket.

[00:09:34]>> My partner said if you write a complaint, take it up with the city man.

[00:09:37]>> But I also have every right to take my complaint up with the directly with the officer as well. If I tell you that me as a a public citizen, a member of the public asked you to park your vehicle in a legally parking spot. By law, you're supposed to.

[00:09:55]>> Just like if I asked you for your name and badge number, you can't break the law just like I can. And if I see you breaking the law, I have every right to redress my government. You're the government that I'm seeing breaking the law. I have every right right to redress you.

[00:10:08]>> Correct. According to the state, the constitution, >> I'm done.

[00:10:12]>> You're done. I >> My partner says if you have a complaint, say the city.

[00:10:17]>> Well, I will. And like I said, I do have a complaint already in.

[00:10:20]>> Okay.

[00:10:20]>> But we'll continue. So, you guys aren't going to You're going to refuse a park in a parking spot. Is that what you're saying?

[00:10:27]>> All right. You guys have a good night then. I got it on record.

[00:10:32]>> Video one revealed something uncomfortable. People lose trust when rules seem different for those enforcing them. But what happens when the issue goes beyond parked squad [music] cars and turns into officers protecting their own? That's where things escalate fast.

[00:10:47]>> Hi, >> how you doing? You guys on duty?

[00:10:50]>> Yes.

[00:10:51]>> Sweet. I've been trying to get an officer to come talk to me for a while now. Nobody seems to want to talk.

[00:10:59]>> Now, I went to the front office and asked up there to have an officer come speak to me. And it's been quite a while. And I then I see like three officers just standing around talking.

[00:11:07]So I figured one of you could help me.

[00:11:11]>> I think someone got just talk.

[00:11:14]>> Well then uh tell them I'm out here with you then cuz I'm I'm waiting.

[00:11:23]I mean shoot. I'm the only guy walking around the police department with a camera. Kind of hard to miss.

[00:11:33]started over. Yes, it did.

[00:11:37]All right, part two, everybody. This is Dragon T with Dragonfire News.

[00:11:41]>> All right, I'll be right up there by the front door, I guess.

[00:11:45]>> All right, thank you.

[00:11:48]>> Okay, he's coming.

[00:11:49]>> All right.

[00:11:55]Yep. Like I said, you should come up with a camera and they scatter. They don't want to help. They don't want to talk. They won't want to communicate.

[00:12:03]I mean, wow. We've already got an officer dispatched to that, but we can't take our time to do it.

[00:12:11]They're all standing around talking but not working. But yet, they don't want to help. H tax dollars at work, people.

[00:12:21]Our tax dollars at work.

[00:12:30]Yeah, they're still sitting over there, too.

[00:12:33]Now, the are going to go over there and sit and talk H.

[00:12:46]Well, there's only one guy out here with a camera.

[00:12:49]Dispatch, somebody dispatched. So, this is going to be a going into an hour uh hourong visit to the De Mo PD. I was originally just going to drop off some foyer requests or public information request for officer street, but now we've uh evolved into something bigger.

[00:13:12]Officer standing around talking.

[00:13:15]Apparently nothing going on, but yet it's taking how long to get me an officer to talk to me about these cars? I understand it's small small fry, but I like I said, I don't know how many parking tickets I've gotten in my lifetime from these people.

[00:13:42]Parking enforcement.

[00:13:52]All right, people.

[00:13:56]Yes, I'm making a a a mountain out of a molehill. Is that what somebody's going to say? Yeah. Never. Who cares?

[00:14:04]Like I said, rules for thee. Not can't ticket me without ticketing thee.

[00:14:13]No, no rules for me and not for thee.

[00:14:18]>> Hey, are you here for me?

[00:14:22]>> Heading over here.

[00:14:25]Well, I kind of want to make sure the people that I'm trying to make sure gets tickets don't go back and move their vehicle because it's kind of ridiculous that somebody can park behind a police department in a no parking zone and not get a ticket all day. That's kind of ridiculous. You know what? And if you're going to ticket me, you're going to ticket thee.

[00:14:47]That's the way I see it. And if you're going to as you guys are supposed to be public servants and our role models to show us that we don't do this so you don't do this. But if you're going to go out here and deliberately park your personal vehicles in a no parking zone and then go out and get a ticket to somebody else, that's hypocritical, right?

[00:15:09]Yeah, I agree. So can you have that officer pick it up?

[00:15:16]>> All right. I'm right here.

[00:15:24]I'm right here.

[00:15:26]And that was uh 2682127445 license plate number. I didn't ask for his name and badge number, but I figured I'd at least get uh get his car. I can always get his information from that.

[00:15:42]He's like either going to come right here or be right here. Well, then if uh be right here. I'm going to stay right here. But then they better hurry up cuz I hate playing games.

[00:15:57]And that it's a game.

[00:16:00]A big game.

[00:16:02]That guy didn't want to be in camera, so he turned around, went the other way.

[00:16:06][laughter] Yeah.

[00:16:14]Go see if they move their cars real quick. I mean, I'm walking back and forth in front of the on public property. What can they do? Waiting for me?

[00:16:26]>> All right. You got your ticket book handy?

[00:16:32]You got your ticket book handy?

[00:16:36]>> What's going on? Well, we got a couple of private uh police car uh uh police officers vehicles parked in a no parking zone behind the police department here.

[00:16:44]>> Okay.

[00:16:45]>> And I've seen several squad cars go by it with no tickets on them.

[00:16:48]>> Okay.

[00:16:49]>> And I've I've received many multiple parking tickets for parking downtown in a no parking zone. And I'm curious why these vehicles don't have it after being there for an hour of my time and at least probably most of the day. Um, so we're going to get a ticket book and Mike walk around, make sure they get tickets put on them, right?

[00:17:08]>> Well, sir, it's not up to you whether they >> Well, wait a minute. Yes, it is. You're public servants. Our tax dollars pay your wages. And if you're going to ticket the general public, then you're going to ticket those vehicles as well.

[00:17:20]Otherwise, I'll file a complaint for dereliction of duty. It is your duty to observe and follow the law. Correct? Yes or no? So sir, we're trying to address the concern now. There are uh you said how many vehicles that you're >> There's two right now. The last time I was here, there's seven.

[00:17:38]>> Okay.

[00:17:38]>> And the last time that they actually did get ticketed and just like this time they're going to get ticketed.

[00:17:43]>> Well, I'm affording them the same opportunity that I afford everybody else if I'm able to identify whose vehicle they are. Uh >> excuse me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If I were parked in a no parking zone, you're going to get afford me the same opportunity, but when I show back up and there's a ticket on my vehicle, how am I afforded the same opportunity to get a chance to move my vehicle?

[00:18:04]>> So, sir, if I have an opportunity to in your scenario, if I know where the person is. So, for instance, >> if I uh am tripped to a no parker or a illegal parker and uh it's a car that is registered to a person that lives right on that block, then I go knock on their door and I ask them to move their vehicle. If they choose to move their vehicle, they avoid a ticket. If they choose not to or not to move their vehicle, then they get a ticket.

[00:18:31]>> Well, okay. That being said, >> it's what time now? And uh those like I said those vehicles have been there for a long day all day and apparently you've hadn't ticketed them and haven't gone and investigated and done got their names and stuff and had asked them to move their vehicles. Have you?

[00:18:50]>> Sir, I was unaware that >> Well, no. There's several squad cars that driven by. You can't tell me that the whole police department's unaware of vehicles parked in a no parking zone.

[00:18:59]>> I'm not If I could answer your question, sir. Well, >> I'm not I'm not speaking for the entire police department. I'm telling you that I wasn't aware that they were illegally parked until you have just now brought in.

[00:19:11]>> I have uh requested that they move their vehicles. They're going to do that.

[00:19:16]>> And now, >> well, now I want their name and badge number so I can file a complaint because this is the way I see that. And and the reason I I I feel that you're giving them blue privilege because they're a member of the police department is because they're law enforcement. They know that it's a violation of the law to park there, but yet they chose to do it anyway. So that to me tells me no, they deserve a ticket because they're law enforcement officers. They know the law.

[00:19:43]They know it's a violation of the law.

[00:19:44]It's a violation of traffic law. They don't get to pick and choose. Well, the rules are for you, not for me. Their tickets get t vehicle get ticketed regardless. Otherwise, I will file a complaint for der dereliction of duty.

[00:19:59]Because you're law enforcement officers, you're supposed to be versed in the law.

[00:20:03]You're supposed to know the law and you're not supposed to willingly violate the law regardless if it's a simple parking ticket or not. Am I wrong?

[00:20:11]Because you are supposed to be role models of the public. And if you're gonna sit here and blatantly violate a p no parking thing, then what else are you going to blatantly violate of our rights and our tax dollars? So, no, I don't think you deserve to get the same as us because you're law enforcement officers.

[00:20:31]You know the law. You're not supposed to violate the law as a law enforcement officer. So, go and get a ticket put on those vehicles now. Otherwise, I will file a complaint against you for a dereliction of duty.

[00:20:42]>> Okay? So, you're welcome to file a complaint against me if you so choose.

[00:20:46]If the >> Now, I also would like to get the name and badge numbers of the officers that parked there so I can file a complaint against them.

[00:20:52]>> That you won't get.

[00:20:53]>> Excuse me.

[00:20:54]>> I said that >> that I will do a public information request form on those and I will get it.

[00:20:59]You can't tell me that I won't get it because I have their information right here.

[00:21:03]>> Okay.

[00:21:04]>> And I can get their information from this from a for you uh freedom of information public request form. You're welcome to request what you want.

[00:21:12]>> All right, let's go in and get a couple replace and then I want to speak to Department of Public Standards >> right now.

[00:21:18]>> Department of Public Standards >> or whatever it is. Your uh >> the Office of Office of Public Standards. I would like to speak to an officer from there right now.

[00:21:26]>> I'm not certain that they're still here, but I uh >> Well, let's go and find out to check. I would like to check to see if the uh parking issue that you're concerned about >> Well, you say you're not going to give them tickets, so what's the point of checking?

[00:21:39]>> No, I didn't say that. I said if the issue is resolved, I was not going to give this to him.

[00:21:44]>> Well, let's check.

[00:21:47]I'm assuming they probably ran out and moved them. Like I said earlier, watch.

[00:21:52]>> Watch the tension carefully here. This stopped being about parked cars a long time ago. Across many states, [music] parking enforcement policies can include officer discretion. But public records [music] laws like FOYA, Freedom of Information Act, and state public records statutes allow citizens to seek accountability afterward. Draven repeatedly [music] references complaints and document requests because paper trails often outlive arguments. The larger legal question viewers wrestle with is not was someone parked [music] wrong. It's whether enforcement appears equal when public trust is on the line.

[00:22:28]>> They'll run out and move their car so they're not violating the parking. Sure enough, they ran out and moved their cars.

[00:22:36]So now they're not going to get a ticket because they she gave them the chance to move their vehicles. Now that's ridiculous. Law enforcement that know the law, not supposed to violate the law, get a chance to move their vehicles, but you wouldn't observe that chance to anybody else. And I don't think you would. I think that's a I think that's a stretch of the truth.

[00:22:57]Let's go in and talk to I get some complaint forms and public information request forms.

[00:23:06]This is ridiculous. This is where how our tax dollars are going going people.

[00:23:11]Oh, they're blue privilege. We'll just give them the chance to move their car and resolve the issue. But yet I I've had I don't know in the past 5 years $40 $50 in parking fines. No parking. And it's right in front of my house. Nobody nobody came and knocked on my door and said, "Hey, sir, you're in parking in no parking zone. Move your car." Which I wasn't. My car just didn't move more than so much inches in 24 hours.

[00:23:37]>> Okay. Well, that's a different issue.

[00:23:39]>> But still, nobody came and knocked on my door and said, "Move it."

[00:23:42]>> Sir, if you want to wait out here, >> I public lobby.

[00:23:49]>> Public lobby. I can go inside. If you'd like to wait here, I'll go check and see if the Office of Professional Standards >> 7 a.m. is when it closes, man.

[00:23:58]Public lobby.

[00:24:02]All right. Sergeant refused to let me come in the public lobby.

[00:24:07]Tells me to stand out here and wait.

[00:24:09][snorts] [clears throat] The freedom of public request forms are right on that desk right over there.

[00:24:18]Ma'am, the public information request forms are right on that desk over there.

[00:24:22]>> Speak with the office of professionals.

[00:24:24]>> I do, but I also want to help fill those public request forms.

[00:24:27]>> I'll be happy to get it.

[00:24:28]>> Oh, I can go in and handle that myself.

[00:24:30]Your office is open until 7:00.

[00:24:42]>> Can I help you?

[00:24:43]>> Yeah. You want to buzz me in so I can get some more freedom uh public request forms?

[00:24:48]Looks like I got to file some complaints too for dereliction of duty. I'll >> be happy to get you whatever forms you would like.

[00:24:53]>> Well, just buzz the door. I don't need to have you get them. I can hand them. I >> I'm perfectly capable. Just buzz the door open and I can get it.

[00:25:02]>> I can give you the number, but nobody's in here for that.

[00:25:05]>> They're right there on the desk, ma'am.

[00:25:09]>> I can walk in and grab them and walk out.

[00:25:17]Oh, another officer on scene.

[00:25:24]>> Okay. He said you want to know >> some of I just want those public a couple of those public request forms off that desk over there.

[00:25:35]>> There's there's a whole stack of them on that desk right over there in the corner. I just picked up one. I need a couple more now because of this officer out here.

[00:25:45]Okay, sir. One second.

[00:25:46]>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

[00:25:53]>> It's not past 7:00 p.m. yet, is it?

[00:26:05]Well, there you go. Have it. De Mo PD back in their own covering up for their officers. So, they'll have a chance to move their vehicles.

[00:26:15]Yeah. Uh-huh.

[00:26:19]I'm going to have to set up appointment with the chief. This is getting ridiculous.

[00:26:34]Officers know the law. Violating it.

[00:26:36]Blatantly. Blatantly. Violating the law.

[00:26:41]work in the police department but yet park in a no parking zone with a personal vehicles. And the the sergeant said, "Oh, we give him a chance a chance to move it." Well, I've never had a chance to move my vehicle before I got a parking parking ticket regardless of where it was, how how it was this and that. I wasn't even parking illegally. I was just my vehicle didn't move more than so many feet, which is still a parking ticket.

[00:27:11]yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada. Come on. I'd like to get this handled. We got a sergeant. Another officer out here. Oh, he's a sergeant as well. Sergeant 2712.

[00:27:28]Let's get him on the video.

[00:27:33]Sitting out in this car. He's probably going to follow me.

[00:27:40]This is how the police department works.

[00:27:45]We're going to be authoritarian over you. Authority over you. Take your money to and and back everybody else. We back the blue.

[00:27:55]I I I'm so sick of this.

[00:27:58]So so so sick of this.

[00:28:11]like your business card, ma'am.

[00:28:14]>> I don't have one. However, I do have your form.

[00:28:17]>> All right. You are uh Sergeant.

[00:28:20]>> Yes. Sergeant Lori >> Lorie Kelly. Badge number >> 4912. Would you like me to write that down?

[00:28:25]>> Sure. Yes, please. You can go ahead and put it right there on the back of that and then that way I can. Now, did you get a hold of the public uh department of office of public st standards, whatever it is?

[00:28:36]>> Uh they're uh not here for the day, however, the remainder of the day, but I'll write their phone number down as well.

[00:28:41]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:28:44]I I find this very very very disturbing that you would give officers the the opportunity to move their vehicles knowing what probably well you know what I was told so many times by police and and it really irritates me that we're going to sit here and have this conversation because I was always told ignorance of the law is no excuse but they weren't ignorant of the law they knew the law and still violated it willingly and you're not going to give them a part a ticket. I I want I want to know your explanation because and tell me why and how they they can get away with that. Explain that.

[00:29:18]>> Provide my explanation. They keep yelling over me.

[00:29:20]>> I'll shut up.

[00:29:21]>> Okay.

[00:29:22]I provided them the same opportunity I give others if >> they don't deserve the same opportunity because they're law enforcement officers. They were hired to protect and serve and vi do not violate the law.

[00:29:36]You're both supposed to be our role models. You cannot give them the the they already had that ch they were already afforded that opportunity as police officers because they're public servants. They're not supposed to violate the law that they were hired to protect.

[00:29:51]>> What's your name, sir?

[00:29:52]>> I am reporter Dragon T.

[00:29:54]>> Okay. Well, I'm trying to explain to you uh my actions today, but you keep yelling over.

[00:29:59]>> Well, your actions are uh your actions are in uh unnecess are they're [ __ ] Excuse my language, but >> you don't have to agree with them, but you asked me to explain, so that's what I'm trying to say.

[00:30:09]>> So, from here on out, I don't want to ever see you ever give a parking ticket without contacting the the person first ever. And I will follow your career. I will follow see how many parking tickets you issue. I will watch everything. I will f request all your case numbers, everything from here on out.

[00:30:27]>> Okay?

[00:30:27]>> Because I think it's ridiculous that you're backing the blue. This is what we call the thin line. Blue line privilege is it's you guys don't h you have qualified immunity is what you guys try to hide behind. And that's not true because when you violate the wall law willingly, your qualified immunity goes away. So, you shouldn't get a second opportunity to have a chance to fix the problem and move your vehicle because you've already been afforded the opportunity when you were hired as a police officer to have all that stuff.

[00:30:59]Not you're not supposed to violate the law, break the law, or anything like that, especially in uniform. You're coming, you're parking here to come to work.

[00:31:08]>> Not me, sir.

[00:31:10]>> They did. Whoever did. That's my point.

[00:31:13]You're sitting here going and telling me that you're going to afford them the same opportunity. They already had that opportunity afforded to them when they became police officers. They're here to protect and serve and follow the law as our role models. And if they blatantly violate that, what else are they going to blatantly violate?

[00:31:28]>> Sir, if you'd like to go ahead and go inside, you're welcome to.

[00:31:32]>> Oh, they're welcome to go inside, but I'm not.

[00:31:34]>> Well, he's not hostile anymore.

[00:31:36]>> I'm not hostile. I'm just I'm deaf and my right ear. I'm hard of hearing and I tend tend to elevate.

[00:31:45]>> But either way, it shouldn't matter. You guys should not be You guys should not do that.

[00:31:50]>> You don't have to agree with me. I >> No, I It's not that I agree with you.

[00:31:55]>> Video two exposed [music] a hard truth.

[00:31:58]Accountability gets blurry when people protect their own, but the deeper lesson may be bigger than police culture [music] itself. What happens when ordinary citizens with cameras challenge [music] authority, ego, and fear? That's when the real pressure test begins.

[00:32:14]>> We'll continue to walk down the exterior of the building. Security already told me I can film from the outside as long as I don't go on their property. And I believe this public sidewalk is where I'm at right now. Far enough away from the building. Close. Not too close. I was told to move.

[00:32:34]Not an entrance.

[00:32:36]Hey sir.

[00:32:38]>> Yes sir.

[00:32:39]>> Hey man. I didn't ask you earlier. May I ask why you're recording stuff?

[00:32:43]>> Uh cuz I can.

[00:32:45]>> No, I know you can't win something.

[00:32:47]>> Yeah, I'm an independent journalist.

[00:32:49]>> Oh, okay. With an a with a news service or >> with my own news service?

[00:32:53]>> Oh, okay. Can I ask you one thing though? Can you not record inside the windows? Cuz >> anything I can see from public I can film.

[00:32:59]>> No, I understand. But >> and you just cuz you ask me doesn't mean I have to.

[00:33:03]>> No, I understand. But the reason I'm asking, I'm I'm trying to explain to you is because you're technically disturbing the workplace. Now, we're receiving phone calls.

[00:33:09]>> Well, it doesn't matter. Their their feelings don't trump my rights. I can film anything that I can see from public without hassle from anybody.

[00:33:16]>> No, I understand. [laughter] I'm not trying to hassle. I'm just trying to reason with you. That's all.

[00:33:20]>> I'm I am being reasonable. I haven't yelled or been belligerent or mean or and when I realized I was on your property, I instant I immediately left when you asked me to. The only reason I stuck around tell you >> yeah I had to understand where you're coming from >> recording through windows then then people start going okay >> but but see my whole point of there doesn't matter what they think >> period >> okay >> you can call the police and the police will not tell me I have to leave because I'm doing nothing wrong >> okay >> I mean I went down and filmed the police station yesterday went inside >> yeah but did you did you film through their windows >> yeah I did I filmed I actually filmed their cars too personal vehicles parked in a note parking zone.

[00:33:59]>> Oh, okay.

[00:33:59]>> And you guys aren't in public view.

[00:34:01]>> Yeah. If anything, I can see through that window. I can film, sir.

[00:34:04]>> No.

[00:34:05]>> Yeah. Yes. According to the >> Why are you doing it? This is just dumb.

[00:34:08]>> Is it dumb?

[00:34:10]>> Really? Is it the per what purpose is this? Um, I'm out here as >> another one.

[00:34:14]>> Huh?

[00:34:15]>> Another one.

[00:34:15]>> I was trying to >> Another one. What?

[00:34:18]>> What?

[00:34:18]>> Another one. What >> exactly? You know, well, >> I know. Well, what?

[00:34:22]>> Well, just another one. Just someone else to do in their life. IPD is going to >> want to come around messes with people who are actually trying to do work.

[00:34:29]>> Huh. And so I'm not working.

[00:34:30]>> I don't know what you're doing, but you're >> I'm an independent journalist. I have every right.

[00:34:34]>> I have every right to film publicity.

[00:34:37]>> Well, you know what? Actually, I am doing something protective for societ society.

[00:34:40]>> That's interesting.

[00:34:41]>> I'm protecting my First Amendment right.

[00:34:42]>> Oh, that's doing something for society.

[00:34:44]That's doing something for you.

[00:34:45]>> No, that's doing something for everybody because if we don't use it, then we lose it.

[00:34:48]>> I'm not getting anything from you about >> You sure you are. You're you're going to get a free education today about filming from public property.

[00:34:56]>> How's that? Education on your first amendment.

[00:34:58]>> What do you have exactly?

[00:34:59]>> Huh?

[00:35:00]>> What education do you have exactly?

[00:35:01]>> I have a high school education and a military career.

[00:35:04]>> Oh, really? Yes. In what?

[00:35:06]>> I was in the Navy.

[00:35:07]>> You're in the Navy. What did you do in the Navy?

[00:35:08]>> HM.

[00:35:09]>> Hm. Which is what? Hospital.

[00:35:10]>> Hospital. Corman.

[00:35:11]>> Hospital. Corman.

[00:35:12]>> Yes.

[00:35:13]>> Jeez. What were you greensided or at all or you always >> I was everything, man. I was done been out to sea. I've been overseas. I've been to a lot of different places. I've been to >> Huh?

[00:35:23]>> I've been to Bananiels, France. I've been to uh Italy's Naples, Italy, Palma, Spain. Quite a few places.

[00:35:30]>> That's awesome. Thanks for your service.

[00:35:31]Appreciate that.

[00:35:32]>> But you here doing this to us. We have >> I have I'm not doing nothing to you. I'm filming. And what I'm showing is is you have computer screens facing the public that anybody can walk by and look in and see uh private uh information.

[00:35:47]>> What's on those computers?

[00:35:48]>> Well, I can receive from here. What's on it?

[00:35:50]>> What's on it?

[00:35:51]>> Well, it looks like it's somebody's insurance thing from what I can tell.

[00:35:54]>> What What do you see that would give you that impression?

[00:35:56]>> Well, you're a nationwide insurance company, correct?

[00:36:00]>> Yeah. But how do you figure that that's what's on their computer screen?

[00:36:02]>> Well, I don't know exactly what's on their computer screen, but but basically what I'm showing the people is that their private information can be seen from the exterior of the building.

[00:36:10]>> You have not seen any private information?

[00:36:11]>> Sure, I can. I can read it from right here.

[00:36:13]>> Tell me what it is.

[00:36:13]>> I'm not going to tell you what it is cuz I unless I walk over here and get close.

[00:36:17]Now see, you're going to inter impede impede my train movement. Anything I can see from public, I can film. Do you not realize that?

[00:36:25]>> You got like you don't have every day have somebody come and film something through through a business.

[00:36:30]>> You know what? According to the US Supreme Court, public photograph, excuse me, public photography cannot be considered criminal or unusual or abnormal.

[00:36:39]>> I never at any point said that you were doing anything criminal.

[00:36:42]>> Well, then why would you even call the police? I was just asking you to be considerate of a private business.

[00:36:48]>> Okay.

[00:36:48]>> Employees, >> you realize that you realize >> the employees in public disturbing. No, but you're disturbing a work.

[00:36:55]>> They're in their business.

[00:36:56]>> But I can see them from public >> any harassing them. That's what you're >> No, I'm not harassing. I'm >> No, I am not. Harassment would be getting in their face.

[00:37:06]>> Do in your life other than come and harass people who are trying to do a good service for their living.

[00:37:11]>> Good service for a living. All right.

[00:37:13]>> Yeah. So, you're telling me >> my purpose here is to support our members?

[00:37:17]>> Really?

[00:37:17]>> Yep.

[00:37:18]>> So, if I was a member of your company, could I come down here and film?

[00:37:21]>> No, not like the way you're doing it.

[00:37:23]>> Why not?

[00:37:24]>> Because you've gone through no channels to work with our communications.

[00:37:26]>> I don't have to. I'm on public.

[00:37:28]>> But if you were if you were trying to if you were in good faith with anything, you work through our communications department.

[00:37:32]>> All right. Let Let me explain something.

[00:37:35]Why would I have to >> if it's my constitutionally protected activity? Why do I need to get permission to do that?

[00:37:42]>> Do you understand? In good faith, you would do that.

[00:37:46]>> Good faith is if I good faith is >> Yeah. I have every every knowledge of good faith.

[00:37:50]>> All you know is your own little world that you live in.

[00:37:53]>> Okay. I'm about to make you a YouTube star today. What is your name if you don't mind me asking?

[00:37:57]>> That's Well, that's no reason for me to tell you what my name is.

[00:38:00]>> You're right. There ain't.

[00:38:01]>> So, >> so, but then again, you're out here approaching me, telling me I can't do something. So, >> I curious why.

[00:38:07]>> Did I tell you you can't do? Did I say you can't do? said I can't film from public and you asked me not to uh film inside your thing, but if I can see it, I can film it.

[00:38:16]>> Do you not realize that?

[00:38:18]>> You asked me not to and I refuse not to.

[00:38:21]I'm going to continue filming what I'm filming with you. Like, >> better to do. You're going to sit here.

[00:38:26]>> I'm a public journal or independent journalist. I have I'm doing my job.

[00:38:30]>> You have security on your shirt.

[00:38:31]>> Yeah. Yeah. That's shirt can be bought anywhere.

[00:38:34]>> Well, I mean, I thought you're representing yourself for your journalism. No, this is just a shirt, man.

[00:38:40]>> Oh, okay.

[00:38:40]>> Just a shirt. Cool.

[00:38:42]>> You can buy these at Walmart. You can >> watch how [music] fast the energy changes after one sentence from law enforcement. Across many states, courts [music] have repeatedly recognized recording matters of public interest in public spaces under the first amendment.

[00:38:56]Cases frequently discussed in [music] audit communities include Glick v Knif and Turner v. Driver, which reinforced [music] recording government activity in public. Notice the tension. The discussion shifted from why [music] are you filming? To has any law actually been broken. Sometimes the most important moment is not an arrest.

[00:39:16][music] It's when nobody can clearly identify a crime >> by him anywhere.

[00:39:20]>> Sure. I was just wondering because you know you're not identifying yourself as anything other than a journalist and you're wearing >> shirt. Does it do I have to identify?

[00:39:27]>> You like have a journalism ID. Are you press?

[00:39:30]>> Um anybody >> right?

[00:39:32]>> I'm an independent. Anybody with a camera can be pressed.

[00:39:34]>> Yeah. according to the constitution. Do you realize the most famous video in the world, one of the most famous videos in the world was shot by an independent uh journalist. Do you know who that what that was?

[00:39:43]>> What was the incident that they were taping?

[00:39:45]>> It was sassination of JFK. It was filmed by a >> sassation of JFK >> was filmed by independent journalist.

[00:39:52]>> Probably film worthy. This is not film worthy.

[00:39:55]>> Film worthy is whatever I feel film worthy.

[00:39:57]>> Okay.

[00:39:57]>> Who are you to tell me what I can and can't film?

[00:40:00]>> That's your world. It's just my world.

[00:40:01]That's all that matters.

[00:40:02]>> Okay. So, >> security, >> huh?

[00:40:04]>> You work security?

[00:40:05]>> No.

[00:40:06]>> I already asked them that.

[00:40:07]>> It's just a t-shirt. You can go buy security t-shirts anywhere >> at Walmart.

[00:40:12]>> I wouldn't wear a street t-shirt if I didn't work security.

[00:40:14]>> Why?

[00:40:15]>> Why would I Why would I want somebody to assume that I work security if I don't?

[00:40:17]>> It doesn't have any company name or logo on it. No, it's just a t-shirt.

[00:40:22]>> Doesn't matter. A lot of bar security doesn't have any logos on there.

[00:40:25]>> Well, that's that doesn't matter. It's just a shirt.

[00:40:28]>> Doesn't have a company name on it either.

[00:40:29]>> It's just a shirt.

[00:40:31]>> It's just a shirt. I can wear it. So now you're telling me that I shouldn't be wearing a security shirt because >> I was just asking.

[00:40:37]>> Oh, okay. Well, that for a minute there I thought you were trying to tell me what I can and can't wear.

[00:40:41]>> No, [laughter] you're putting words in my mouth.

[00:40:44]>> Well, you asked me.

[00:40:45]>> That's pretty common.

[00:40:46]>> I'm going to continue walking down since Are you guys Did you notify the police?

[00:40:50]>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[00:40:50]>> Oh, okay. Well, then I'm going to stick around, but I'm going to continue filming.

[00:40:53]>> Sure.

[00:40:54]>> If you guys want to follow with me, you're more than welcome.

[00:40:56]>> That's your choice.

[00:40:57]>> That says not an entrance. We're going to go down here and get a picture of the sign.

[00:41:02]>> What do you do like for real? Like other than just harass people? [laughter] >> Harass. You realize that the definition of harassment?

[00:41:11]>> Your existence and presence currently is nothing but a harassment type.

[00:41:15]>> Really? So So you're going to defi defi define my character? That's defamation of character, right?

[00:41:21]>> Define your character.

[00:41:22]>> Defamation of character. Excuse me. I I I misspoke. It's called defamation of character. You're telling me I'm not worth anything to society by walking around doing this?

[00:41:32]>> I It's a matter of opinion.

[00:41:34]>> Yeah, you're right. And everybody has >> yours, right?

[00:41:37]>> No, of course.

[00:41:38]>> Okay.

[00:41:38]>> But that's also defamation of character by saying that directly to me.

[00:41:41]>> How do you figure so to your face?

[00:41:45]>> In other words, if you would have said that people like you have no uh things of society, that would be a general statement, but you made it directly toward me.

[00:41:52]>> Yeah. You're you're just a >> All right, here comes the police. Now we'll find out. Yeah, you're you're one of those people.

[00:41:58]>> I'm one of those people. Yeah, I'm one of those people that stand up for my constitutional rights.

[00:42:03]>> People actually fighting for you. Wow, >> that's too bad. Your Navy friends will be very disappointed.

[00:42:12]>> Actually, they're they're I have several viewers and actually >> How you doing, officer?

[00:42:20]>> Doing good. Tell these guys that came out and said I can't film from public.

[00:42:24]You're filming in our windows.

[00:42:26]>> Anything I can see from public eye can be filmed.

[00:42:28]>> What you're doing is not that >> um yeah, it's constitutionally protected activity. Sir, >> point your phone inside of our windows.

[00:42:35]I think that's >> Well, what I'm pointing out is that you can see your computer screens from the >> no longer able or welcome on our property.

[00:42:42]>> This anger property is public sidewalk.

[00:42:44]>> Find out what what's the goal here. I'm an independent journalist doing filming for my purposes and I was uh just walking through I actually accidentally walked into Nationwide on through the skywalk and he told me I couldn't be in there which I understand if it's their building I wouldn't go be in there but by the way your name and badge number is >> Sergeant Palm >> Sergeant Palm All right >> 5040 well then they came out after I went through and I was showing people through the windows that they can be see private information on the computer screen from the window through the windows and anything I can see from public I'm constitutionally protected by law to film.

[00:43:24]>> All right. And you're good if you do that on the setup, but you can't go in their building.

[00:43:27]>> I understand that. And like I said, I apologize from their building, right?

[00:43:31]>> Well, yeah. And I I did I talked to this officer when I walked in the skywalk and I didn't realize I was walking in their building. I was glad I was walking through the skywalk and I left as soon as he explained to me that that was private property. But out here, I'm on public property and I can film anything I can see from the public eye, including whatever's through those windows, whether they like it or not. Their their opinion or or uh ideas don't trump my rights.

[00:43:55]>> You have an ID with you, sir?

[00:43:56]>> No, I do not.

[00:43:57]>> Would you be willing to provide me?

[00:43:59]>> No, I don't have to. I ain't doing anything wrong.

[00:44:01]>> Okay. I need to adise it of criminal trespass from their >> You don't have to have my name for adisement of criminal trespass. I know the law.

[00:44:07]>> You're going to keep track of who's been trespassing.

[00:44:08]>> You can know. You can see my face. You see, they got people got videos everywhere that show shows who I am. Not to mention, I'm not going to go on the property. I'm No, I'm going to stay on public property. You don't have to have my identification in order to trespass next time they deal with you.

[00:44:22]>> Well, they they know who I am. They see me.

[00:44:24]>> I don't know who they are. I don't know.

[00:44:27]>> Actually, Donald, you do know my name.

[00:44:28]>> Donald need to know my last name. First name's all you need to know.

[00:44:34]>> Is there anything else? Am I free to go or am I being detained?

[00:44:37]>> Yeah, you're free to go.

[00:44:38]>> All right. Thank you. And your name is officer >> officer Millerup. Grant what?

[00:44:42]>> Melerup.

[00:44:43]>> And your badge number?

[00:44:44]>> 5251.

[00:44:45]>> 5251. Do you realize what I'm doing is okay? Correct.

[00:44:48]>> You're good to go.

[00:44:48]>> All right. Thank you, gentlemen. I'm going to continue to walk around the building, though.

[00:44:52]>> Cuz it is my constitutional protect.

[00:44:54]>> Huh?

[00:44:55]>> Maybe I'll just call you.

[00:44:56]>> Well, that's up to you. It's a free country.

[00:44:58]>> You're going to waste waste city resources. So, you >> No, you're wasting city resources because you called the police on a >> con is what?

[00:45:06]>> All right. My existence. All right, everybody. My existence is not good.

[00:45:10]>> And everyone that you shoot on that's going to know exactly what I'm talking about.

[00:45:14]>> Yeah. And I just made you a YouTube star today, sir.

[00:45:16]>> That's awesome.

[00:45:17]>> That's awesome.

[00:45:18]>> It's unfortunate.

[00:45:19]>> Yeah, it's unfortunate that you guys don't understand the rights to film in public. You even the officer even told you >> associates and we want to protect our customers.

[00:45:27]>> Well, then turn your computer screens away from the windows >> or we have physical security to walk along with you.

[00:45:35]>> That's fine. And I'm allowed to go up to this line.

[00:45:38]It's right up here. So you can This line is your public property. I mean, let me just >> Hey, now. All right.

[00:45:44]>> Arms distance.

[00:45:45]>> Then you stay away from me.

[00:45:46]>> No, this is my property that I'm protecting.

[00:45:49]>> Jesus. Everybody, I just got pushed by this gentleman.

[00:45:52]>> Do not get pushed. You're coming into my space.

[00:45:55]>> I'm not going to go into your space as long as you stay out of mine.

[00:45:57]>> Okay, that's fine.

[00:45:59]>> Jesus. Here we go. Harassment. This is the >> This is the This is the the >> This is where I work. No, I don't care.

[00:46:07]>> Exactly. You don't care.

[00:46:08]>> You're impeding my traffic. That's called harassment.

[00:46:11]>> You only care about yourself.

[00:46:12]>> You're impeding my traffic. That's called harassment.

[00:46:15]>> All right. I'm going to stand right here.

[00:46:17]>> Perfect.

[00:46:18]>> Stand right here for a few minutes. This gentleman wants to impede my traffic after the police told him I was doing nothing wrong.

[00:46:25]>> You get off.

[00:46:27]>> Back off.

[00:46:27]>> I simply just have my own space.

[00:46:29]>> Yeah. And when I tried to walk toward the way, you get in my way. See, right now you're >> all right.

[00:46:35]>> That's part of our job as security is to ensure that you don't >> not impeding my traffic >> with our associates. You understand?

[00:46:40]>> See him impeding my traffic. Officer, >> you're not going to mess with our associates. That's the problem.

[00:46:45]>> You're I ain't messing with your associates.

[00:46:47]>> Only.

[00:46:48]>> All right.

[00:46:48]>> Whether that's your perception or not, my perception is you're >> My perception says that you're being harassing by following me around.

[00:46:54]>> You just use the words that I use. I'm talking like that.

[00:46:57]>> Oh, we don't double talk here. Is that what you're saying?

[00:47:00]>> I don't know. You can say whatever you want. Apparently, I'm a I'm a bad person because I'm filming >> YouTube star video.

[00:47:06]>> Yep.

[00:47:06]>> Everyone wants to know you're a fool.

[00:47:08]>> Oh, I'm a fool. Actually, I I'm the educated one because I know what what my constitutional rights is and you don't >> something that benefit society, aren't you?

[00:47:16]>> Oh, that's offensive. How is videotaping offensive? Explain that to me. How is video >> using it for?

[00:47:23]>> Whatever I would choose. That's my That's my proof.

[00:47:25]>> You don't even know what you're doing.

[00:47:26]>> Yeah, I am. I'm I'm going to post >> in three different encounters from police parking controversies in South Carolina to questions about blue privilege at De Moines PD to a heated First Amendment clash outside Nationwide Insurance. [music] The real story was never the camera, the parking spot, or the argument. The real story begins when ordinary people ask one simple [music] question. Do the rules apply equally to everyone? In this country, freedom was never designed to be requested. It exists to be used, defended, and sometimes [music] tested under pressure. If you've ever had an encounter that made you question whether you really had to identify yourself, share your experience below. Like, subscribe, [music] and stay with us so you're never caught off guard when rights and reality collide. This is ID Refusal Pro, where cameras document questions matter and informed citizens [music] become harder to ignore.