Rose Roes, thoughts do not have meaning, talks about Non Duality. May 8- 2026

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:04]So there's again a meeting about non-duality, about nothing, about no me.

[00:00:12]There's no me.

[00:00:15]In the end, it's it's very clear that that's the final thing that is there's no me. There seems to be a lot of things going on in the story when there's I'm someone and this is my life and there has to has happened so many time things in the past and that's because I'm that's why I'm not so functioning good in this time maybe maybe there are traumas maybe there are things happen and we believe there's a living in time so there's time and distance and That's how the story is built. You could say like the brain can it's like there seems to be memories, [snorts] thoughts and images and that we call that memories. So there's something going on like confirming all the time there's a past, there's a before and even believing also there's a after, there's a future, there's something to happen.

[00:01:27]When there's that little child where there's no one, there's no identity, there's nothing going on, there's just what is happening and there's [snorts] feelings or walls or buddies and then the brain get more sophisticated and suddenly it's seeing like, oh, there's an over there and over there that's separate. there's someone there and I'm someone and so they're starting that feeling of separation.

[00:02:00]That's something that's you could say it's a trauma. There's something going on like suddenly there's not that oneness that complete fulfilled. There's nothing going on.

[00:02:14]There's nothing missing. There's nothing about right and wrong. And suddenly the right and wrong comes in. Everything is two and it seems like circumstances seem suddenly very real and solid. It seems that the circumstances are the cause of the feeling what's going on because we live in time. So there seems to be circumstances in which parents maybe not always there or having certain emotions or things going on. And it seemed like that's the cause of the feelings of what's going on and all that. And then the whole story is starting and then hearing here there's no one.

[00:03:03]There never has been someone. It's a misunderstanding.

[00:03:07]It's a huge embodied misunderstanding that there's someone that there's separation.

[00:03:14]There is no someone. There is no separation. There never has been. The freedom is the only thing there is.

[00:03:24]But it's not a feeling of freedom.

[00:03:27]There can be a lot of misunderstandings about the feeling of freedom.

[00:03:32]It's not it's not about a feeling. It's everything is free as it is.

[00:03:40]There's no meaning in it. There's no like this is because of that. There's no time. Time is a construct that we believe that there's something before because that makes the story real and then there's something going on like I'm I'm someone and I have a free will and choice also. That's a part of the whole story.

[00:04:05]Then it seemed the whole story is going and it's so convincing that there's free will and choice and I'm doing it and this is my life, my feelings, my thoughts, my body.

[00:04:22]And then there not even thinking about separation that feeling of I'm here and there's another world over there outside and there's something inside going on.

[00:04:35]So that's so convincing that and on top of that there's that feeling of there's something missing. There's something not right yet. There's I'm not good enough.

[00:04:47]It's not fulfilled. It's it's not complete. So there has to be done something. And there's the there's a huge energy going on in trying to make it right because somewhere there's a feeling there's something wrong. It's not yet complete and it's constantly confirmed by everything that other people in in it's like oh that's that's the world that's where we live in there's something wrong and we should make it right and can be about myself can be about the world can be about anything and then coming to these meetings and hearing no it's already complete it doesn't mean it's nice because normally complete is is linked to the feeling then that that's a good feeling and then I'm happy when it's complete I'm happy I'm feeling free I feel fulfilled this talking about feelings when they're saying it's complete then it's complete as it is so that can be anger can be wolf it can be pain but it's not about us. It's not about someone.

[00:06:10]There's no separation. That means there's no separate bodies. The body isn't something that's real and there are borders and and you're living inside. That's huge. That's so strong.

[00:06:23]And then hearing, no, the body isn't real. It's an appearance.

[00:06:28]like the table and the wall and feelings, smell, what can happen.

[00:06:40]Everything is singular. So, it's exactly what it is. And something else you can't even follow. It's that's impossible.

[00:06:49]It's impossible to say what it is cuz it's new. It's new. That's amazing of this. It's the loss of everything. It's a loss of all the ideas about I am here.

[00:07:03]I'm important. This is someone that happens to me. It's the loss of ownership like this is my feeling. This is my life, my world, my world, my body.

[00:07:20]It's a loss of all of that.

[00:07:23]And suddenly it's like oh everything is new. There's something about it. This is this is aliveness. This is complete fullon aliveness not for anyone. It's exactly that what is happening. So there's nowhere to go.

[00:07:41]It doesn't matter which happenings are going on or what feelings or whatever is happening.

[00:07:50]Everything is complete as it is. It's exactly that.

[00:07:59]It's not about oh there's nothing happening. It's the meeting is going about nothing and it's um it's complete as it is and all that. It's there's something else. There's a joy. There's a liveness in in life. Life is look at little children. It's like there's something going on. The innocence, not only the innocence, it's also that aliveness that full on full on crying, full on walking and everything is full on.

[00:08:33]And that somewhere maybe we're missing and there's I am someone and I have to make my life work. There's responsibility. There's guilt.

[00:08:48]So then there seems to be always some some on the road again.

[00:08:55]There's no road.

[00:08:58]It's already exactly that what's happening.

[00:09:04]And that's amazing because it doesn't matter if it's the floor or it's a feeling or it's a cup of tea. It's everything. It's everything. It's also thoughts like, "Oh, I'm judging again and maybe I shouldn't do that." Then those thoughts are it too. It doesn't matter what it is. It's everything.

[00:09:27]That's the amazing thing. It's everything. And you can't even say that to yourself because that makes it in in a kind of way of living. But even all those thoughts can happen because there's maybe a clarity going on and saying that to yourself then that's what's happening and that's it too. It can't be not it. It's everything.

[00:09:52]There's nothing excluded. That's the freedom. It's unconditional.

[00:10:02]So there are no rules.

[00:10:05]There's nothing better than something else.

[00:10:08]No one better than somebody else.

[00:10:15]It's already we can talk about that. Maybe their question about it or sharing about what's going on. It can talk about everything. It's also talking in the story about things that happen or maybe some issues about relation about money about there can be so many issues and that goes on and there can be a lot of not being clear about it or anything we'll see what happens this is not about knowing there are no answers but in the way there's spoken about it there's an exposing of that whole myth about that should be alive and we should do this and that and it's going nowhere.

[00:11:15]So, we'll see. [snorts] If you want to say something, you can unmute yourself and it's when it because it's the recording is working on sound. So please if you finish talking please mute yourselves again just for the recording.

[00:11:37]Okay.

[00:12:17]There's also no distance and that's crazy because when there's meetings for example and there's someone in front of the meeting and there's sitting people at the other side like pupils or how do you say it and it seems like there's someone knowing or there's someone asking or someone answering the questions. So they have a position. I have a position or somebody else has a position. And then there the the people who know the one who knows and the people who don't. That seems to be a setting like that that's giving meaning everything. We think there's that's the meaning of what's going on. There's no distance. So there's no difference between that one who's sitting in seems to be sitting in front of all the other people. There is no in front of it's one.

[00:13:15]So there's no difference between Yeah. There's a difference between bodies but there's nothing more important than anything else anyone else.

[00:13:26]This is not about knowing.

[00:13:28]There's nothing to do with knowing.

[00:13:30]There can be a knowing. There can be a clarity of this but it it's not important. Nothing is important. It's like it's drinking tea. It's it's the simplicity of what is.

[00:13:44]There's no need for knowing. There can be knowing and there can be information about things can be nice or pleasant or comfortable but nothing has any meaning.

[00:13:56]Life is already so there's no need for meaning.

[00:14:06]It's not wrong. Also, Hi Rose.

[00:14:58]>> Hello. Would you say uh that there is no one outside of life to know it? I mean it's an impossibility that there would be someone who's outside of life. It's life or you know it's [snorts] >> or whatever life the energy >> there's there can't be anything outside.

[00:15:26]>> No, it can't be. No, >> no, >> no. That's it's it's in a way is logic that it has to be everything.

[00:15:35]What life is everything you know there is no outside of life. I'm outside of the of now.

[00:15:43]>> Yes. Yes. But there can be so many interpretations about because you feel in a certain way and it seems like there that's that all that can be that a feeling of I'm I'm not belonging or something like belonging in the group or life there's no aliveness in me something like that because it feels duh like that. Yeah.

[00:16:08]Well that the only thing what's happening is then that feeling can be there. It's not even my feeling. It's that feeling can be there and it's everything is nothing is permanent. So it's that or but we're so focused on that it's mine and we have to do something with it or we make uh have ideas about what is going on.

[00:16:36]I think in in a way as long as that there's that fe you know contracted energy of of feeling I'm real you know whatever that means or like you're located behind the eyes and um I don't know what I was going to say now it's gone That's how it goes.

[00:17:08]>> You have to to keep it together.

[00:17:11][laughter] >> Yes.

[00:17:15]>> But that's what normally happens. You have so much there's so much energy going on to to trying to keep it together and to hold on and but that and suddenly that it doesn't work and then it's it falls apart. It feels like that or you don't know anymore like that.

[00:17:32]Yeah, >> I think what I was going to say is like whatever is said uh there's all there's always confirming I'm not like you so I am still here.

[00:17:49]>> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that is that me thing that it's the strongest one that feeling like yes but or no but and then >> Yeah. Yes. It's always confirming itself.

[00:18:03]>> Yeah. And when that energy is there, then that energy is there and that can any everyone like me can say like, "Yeah, it's that's it too." And you're like, "Yeah, thank you very much." But that it it feels like it's still that separation or different.

[00:18:19]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:18:20]>> Yeah.

[00:18:21]>> But at the same time, that that's how it is.

[00:18:26]>> Yeah.

[00:18:27]Nothing nothing can be done to to change that.

[00:18:33]Even if it's an illusion, it's that illusion seems like so that's the only thing that is real.

[00:18:42]>> Yeah. Well, yeah. And when there >> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:46]>> There's no one when when there's no one.

[00:18:50]So there's not being able to choose or to do. That's what we think like I can do something about it or I cannot do something about it.

[00:19:00]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:19:01]>> It's it's the only it's like it's it's it's the strange thing is it's so meaningless. It's only that feeling but it feels like ah and then somewhere that's holding on to it or not even you doing it but it can be so strong and convincing but it's not all day. It can be for moments very strong and then you forget about it. You're busy in the garden or walking.

[00:19:27]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:19:29]>> But you forget then that it's not there.

[00:19:31]It it feels like when it's there it's like it's always there. That's so funny.

[00:19:37]That that is also so convincing that always that you you feel or think like oh yeah that that is how I am. It's only on those moments, but we make it into like the whole day or all that.

[00:19:55]>> It's like the the expression to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[00:20:01]>> You know the in the ground there's the a mole >> and you get a bit of mud in the grass and that's a mole hill. Make a mountain.

[00:20:12]>> Yeah. You make a mountain. Yeah.

[00:20:14]>> You make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[00:20:16]Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it Yeah. And it that but it's so that but and still that can go on and it doesn't maybe it doesn't matter when it's suddenly like oh there can be a clarity about that. It does that also is not strong enough you could say because that energy can be really convincing and really strong.

[00:20:40]There's a lot of there's a lot of energy put into that identity. So that it's a threat to that whole construct that I am someone and I did a lot about it and it there's so much investment in that. So it's not really strange that there's that feeling can go on like yeah but there's a difference and it's still not yet there. Yeah.

[00:21:06]Maybe it's not always that strong or can change. Yeah.

[00:21:14]I don't know if someone else wants to talk. So, thank you.

[00:21:18]>> Okay.

[00:21:26]Oh, I know what else I was going to add. is that well how it's seen here is that I've stopped I I used to go to more or less a different speaker more or less every day of the week.

[00:21:59]Oh my gosh, sorry my phone ringing.

[00:22:03]Um that stops it, doesn't it?

[00:22:10]>> [laughter] >> you come back again.

[00:22:16]>> Um, oh yes. So, yes. So, I hardly go on any Zoom and uh the idea of going to retreat. I'm just thinking of how much money it's going to cost. So, it's almost like uh something. Oh my gosh. Sorry.

[00:22:39]Sorry. Um, never mind. [laughter] So, it's like something was heard and then there's been a fear and then it's like, "Oh, I I don't want to be listening to this message anymore." It's um >> Yeah. Um, but I still like seeing people.

[00:23:08]Yeah. Well, this message it's also like the fear is because of all the listening to to the speaker or speakers or videos, looking at videos. Fear is only fear. It has nothing to do with what happened before. And all those conclusions are part of that whole story that there's something going on and maybe I should do something or no I don't want to do something because and [gasps] fear is is that energy what can go on but doesn't have any meaning or cause.

[00:23:46]>> So it's it's not a response to the the message. So like sometimes there can be relaxation. So it seems like there's >> a cause and effect, you know, and and >> so well.

[00:24:03]>> Yeah. But then then a moment in the moment there's cause and effect. There's immediately a story about what's going on and that's because of that and an interpretation of why and all that.

[00:24:15]>> It's a story.

[00:24:16]>> So even the fear is not there's no story. So it it could be related but maybe not. There's no story about it.

[00:24:25]There's just fear then.

[00:24:26]>> Yeah.

[00:24:27]>> Yeah.

[00:24:30]>> Cuz here it's like putting two and two together. Oh.

[00:24:34]>> Yeah. Of course. That's what we used to.

[00:24:36]Yeah. That's what we normally do. like cause and effect is such a strong one because >> that is like oh even also when there's a feeling involved and you you look for the cause because you've watched videos or whatever. No, >> but also like coming on the Zoom it's like as if you're expecting something to happen.

[00:25:00]>> Yeah. And I don't know, maybe it's like a loss of interest.

[00:25:07]And uh now I enjoy dancing and I enjoy playing music and you know >> Yeah.

[00:25:15]>> So >> there's no difference.

[00:25:18]>> There's no difference. [laughter] >> Oh yeah.

[00:25:27]Well, that seems like you get something somewhere. Although everybody knows somewhere like ah there not getting anything of course there can be so yeah you go underneath some everything that you know there's something going on yeah but maybe yeah of course and that can be feeling like that's the difference then when I'm listening music there's no expectation of anything maybe but yeah >> yeah I mean it's the same with music you have sensations and feelings and whatever. Well, >> obviously I I don't have it but they they appear.

[00:26:09]>> Yeah. That Yeah. But everything is so sing is singular. So and we are used to in living in a world of two like this is because of that and time and all that >> and hearing it's singular. It's like ah I can't you can't even get your head around it because that's so different.

[00:26:31]>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:35]>> Thank you, Rose. Thank you.

[00:26:37]>> Yeah. Thanks.

[00:26:39]that.

[00:26:50]So also time is not is not only a cause and effect, but it's also there's there's no before and after. There's so you could say like there's only this and there's nothing after of nothing before.

[00:27:07]So that that's that knocks the whole story down. And we are so convinced and so busy with trying to make me feel good or the body for take care of the body, take care of my life. How can I make it more comfortable or know me anymore or all those a lot of things can go on and if you maybe there's a knowing but hearing there's no time it's huge because there's that means there's is this [snorts] and that's the end there's no no after so that it's [snorts] this and then it's new or then it's new.

[00:27:57]So you could say it starts again and again again. No, it's not really like that but it's like it's new. There's no continuation.

[00:28:05]So there's also no one because somewhere there can be a sensation or or an idea of a belie another not sensation a belief or an idea that it's looking for something for me or for this body this body mind. No there's nothing for the for that body or that mind. No, it's the loss of everything also like everything is that everything is real. It's it's an appearance of feelings. Well, it's a feeling is that is what is happening. It's complete in that feeling that is everything or that sensation or the tea that glass everything is this this it's new and it's new and that's because when we some we are so into the story and everything is solid and real and my life and something feels like there's something happening here inside somewhere. So, it's so real. And when they're talking about now the the loss of everything, it seems like Yeah. And then there's nothing. Come on. What? And then or it's about sitting. Yeah. Hello. I know.

[00:29:27]Yeah. Sitting. I feel sitting. Yeah. And and or something like that. Well, what what's lost? What is what is you could say what is more moved to the background is that aliveness. That aliveness, what you can't even say what it is. You can't grasp it because it's everything. That aliveness, you could see it in little children. It's like [snorts] everything is full on. There's nothing going on like, oh, this is better than that. It's everything. It doesn't matter what it is.

[00:30:04]And not only for me, there is no me.

[00:30:07]There's no identity. There's that flower and that's completely everything.

[00:30:18]It's new.

[00:30:56]>> [snorts] >> There's even no need to understand this or to im imagine this or all that.

[00:32:03]There's no need. It happens by itself.

[00:32:07]it's already. But the strange thing is we think that suddenly there may be some clarity or maybe oh that's it or all that. The strange thing can be also that all that being busy with everything is not so much anymore or maybe it's just completely stopping and it's not noticed the whole awareness what we think that is the the the thing that's really important to be aware of everything and being busy and serious in that way that when that awareness is just part of the whole story of me when that's [snorts] not going on and it Then everything is just going and drinking tea, making coffee, walking, uh birds, anything.

[00:32:58]There's no noticing. So it's not like, oh, now suddenly I'm walking in oneness.

[00:33:05][sighs and gasps] No, that it's most of time it's not even notice. It doesn't need noticing.

[00:33:24]You mean it's already?

[00:33:26]>> It's already Yeah.

[00:33:28]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:33:29]>> Yeah.

[00:33:30]>> Yeah.

[00:33:39]Even the idea but not for me yet or something like that >> is it is it true but that is so convincing because we have so much meaning attached to everything what's going on and the thoughts and all that so it seems like it's not there I was last weekend with a yeah with a man he's also So um he has some interviews also about this but he's he's not a a speaker but >> people can come to him >> but but I was really surprised he was still speaking about karma and bardos >> and I thought yeah there is no karma there are no bardos >> yeah this continuation is so important and seems like when there's someone dying then we want it somewhere to go on cuz it's just too too heavy and too frightening to realize and feel that there's there's an end or there's it's there's no continuation. It's more like that.

[00:34:54]>> Mhm. Yeah.

[00:34:56]>> Yeah.

[00:34:59]So that's [snorts] can be that can be go on in all kinds of way. They can be in karma or bo or anything keeping pictures or there's so many ways and yeah [snorts] it's it's it's raw. It's raw to to feel.

[00:35:31]There's no continuation then because we we are in that when everything is real then it feels like death or no continuation or all that that seems like oh my god I that's too much I I can't take that or that's too feel so strong and all that well it's not it's not yeah how do you say that there >> yeah but it's also like that there's something else that everything is new when it's you you could say it's there's no continuation the other the other side of it you could see I don't I don't know how to say it differently it's like everything is new so it's like this and or ah there's a wonder of of this what is going on >> not not real but a god it's it's stunning >> it's not only nice of course but it's stunning it's like well not all the time. Well, yeah.

[00:36:37]Almost almost. [laughter] >> Yeah. It's >> Yeah. And that continuation is more like a go on. No, no, no, no, no. Let let me be safe and let me be.

[00:36:50]Yeah. It's important to do do something about it. Not to feel too much and all that. Mhm.

[00:36:55]>> That is but in a way that that's a lot of energy put in that.

[00:37:00]>> Yeah.

[00:37:00]>> There's a lot of fear but also that's a story. [laughter] And there's a there's a question. Hi Rose. What is internal struggle? How can something that doesn't exist fight with itself? For example, knowing something is bad for the body, brain, yet doing it sort of self-sabotage is that life being internal struggle. Thank you.

[00:37:33]Uh now that yeah, that's what we call it because we when there's someone there's that idea that I have to take care of myself, I have to make my life work. I take care of the body responsibility and all that. So they they're that part of that is the the the thoughts are the tool you could say the tool to make to to to make things happen. It seems like uh thoughts are powerful. They have a function. Thoughts are only thoughts. So there's a there can be all kind of thoughts going on about how to do it and all that because that there's an energy going on like there should be a change or what can I do to make it better or all that so thoughts are part of that whole construct and because we feel we we can attach meaning to everything. So it becomes important and this is better than that and oh I I have to do it and there can be like feeling like this is a decision I I I never smoke again and then the next morning it's like yeah now maybe just one and and then that's going on everybody knows that or made food or anything. It's just that that seems to be a struggle. But there's it's new and that's strange to hear that there is no struggle. Well, we we seems to be busy with everything and it's remembering certain thoughts. So, it seems like, oh, there's that thought and now it's this one and I'm doing now something else. What I did decide this and now I'm doing something else. So it seems like there's there's a continuation in in things that go on and then hearing this it's like oh there's it's it's new. So there's that thought and that's it. There's that seemingly decision and that's it. It doesn't mean that when there's a decision it goes like that. A decision is also only that thoughts going on. There's nothing deciding anything. There's no free will.

[00:39:50]When there's no one, there's no free will. So it's going by itself. So all those thoughts are meaningless. It doesn't m mean that they are wrong, but they're meaningless. They that is thoughting. It's a certain energy. But it seems that there's so much meaning and importance in it because we think like I have to take care of my body because that's real and if I don't do it it goes wrong and everything like that.

[00:40:19]Hearing there's no responsibility there's no one that is like oh but then maybe everything goes wrong when when I'm not in control.

[00:40:31]Maybe not. It doesn't mean it's better, but it all that energy put in to try to make it different is going nowhere.

[00:40:45]Life is is on it is there it's everything is going and we think we are the boss. No, life is the boss in that way. You could say there can be a lot of thoughts and and being busy with what you or me have to do.

[00:41:05]It's a dream.

[00:41:13]So it's not fighting with itself. That's that's a conclusion because we think that all those thoughts have a meaning and are real.

[00:41:24]It's only thought not important. Thoughts are also not important. Nothing is important. That's crazy because that's when when I am here and this is my life there there seems to be a lot of things important and another things not important.

[00:41:50]In hearing there's no importance in anything it can happen. There's nothing right or wrong. There's no right and wrong.

[00:41:59]That's crazy because that's in the normal world like when I'm someone and my life and me and all that there everything is about right in Rome. So this is complete other possibility but has nothing to do with the story.

[00:42:17]This is like, oh, there's another possibility. What how we we only are busy with being busy in the story trying to make changes because we think that's the way we do it. And then hearing, oh, there's no one. What What does that mean? Because we are so living in the story that we all already when they're saying there's no story, we hear like in this in the story, how can there be no story? So that's the way we we so [snorts] used to think and and believe.

[00:42:56]So that's like how do you say it? Destroying beliefs.

[00:43:32]There's no direction. So what happens in meetings like this? There's no answer, no direction. So what we used to do is always like, oh, this is better and we should do this and advice and all that.

[00:43:46]And suddenly there's nothing going on like that. So that whole construct need confirming need being being busy with that. When there's nothing going on about it and saying no there's no one and all that then it falls apart but it's not notice like oh it falls apart. It's that's the funny thing. It's just so normal when there's not so much going on like that then it's normal. So it's not sometimes it's not even noticed most of the time.

[00:50:18]Hi, Rose.

[00:50:20]>> Hi.

[00:50:22]>> Hi.

[00:50:23]>> Hi.

[00:50:24]>> How are you doing?

[00:50:26]>> I am good. I'm okay.

[00:50:29]>> I'm glad you had a good time in Vietnam.

[00:50:32]Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was a really good time. There was also crying, of course.

[00:50:37]Well, >> of course, >> part of the deal, part of everything.

[00:50:42]Yeah. [sighs and gasps] >> Yeah, it was. Yeah, it's a good Yeah.

[00:50:46]How can you say it's difficult to say how it was? Yeah.

[00:50:51]>> Yeah.

[00:50:52]Um, I've had this um this feeling of deep sadness lately that keeps [snorts] >> coming up.

[00:51:06]>> And [snorts] I wasn't going to cry. I didn't feel like I was going to cry before I thought about saying this, but >> um but you know, it's it just keeps reoccurring. And then I'm wondering if if this this feeling and and other feelings too obviously are just they're just feelings that come up that are that are similar to a feeling I've had all my life that I've labeled as sadness or let's say other feeling as anger or other feeling as whatever. ever they are and I just put a label on it and there's really so every time that feeling comes I say oh this is sadness >> and you know what I mean and and then there's a meaning that goes with it and >> and then that kind of perpetuates the I don't know whether it perpetuates it or not but it's just it's just this feeling that comes up that I've >> put a label on all my life.

[00:52:20]>> Yeah.

[00:52:21]>> As as being this as being sadness and um I don't know that just just your thoughts on that I guess.

[00:52:31]>> Yeah. Well, even sadness there are I I noticed also there are like 50 maybe more sadness feelings you could say if we talk about sadness. It's like can be subtle. Oh, wait a moment.

[00:52:50]Oh, >> what happened?

[00:52:52]>> Yeah, I have to there's somebody coming into the meeting.

[00:52:57]>> Um there's uh so there it can be subtle, it can be strong, it can be in a I don't know crying, it can be no anyway. So there's so many ways. So and sometimes it's mixed. So there's no way to to know what it exactly is. So already that it's like oh wow it's like and when there's that what you said that idea about that then that it makes it into something and then there's also maybe there's a story because of uh with that because that's normally happens like that even also with John of what you make it's like there can be a thought and then it's about John or what happened or in Vietnam like remembering and things like that there can be and then it's and there can be suddenly sadness and it seems like oh it's because of that but that's a conclusion >> it's it's just that then suddenly there's oh there's sadness and it's not even I don't even know what it is or yes sometime yeah doesn't >> yeah yeah I that's what I was doing I was thinking I have this sadness and then of course Well, what is this? And you know, well, of course, it's grief, you know, and then but I think but it could be so many things like you said, mixed, you know, um >> or it could be none of that. It could just be a feeling that came and then suddenly this mind wants to put a label on it and wants to describe it and and say it's because of this or that or you know I it's just very um I don't know what the word is I want but very strange maybe.

[00:54:52]>> Yeah.

[00:54:52]>> Yeah. That's what we use. And that that label makes it already different. And then there's something there's immediately in a subtle or stronger way a story with that or should or shouldn't or all that going on and all that and there's only that feeling is there for a while and then there's something else >> and there this feeling you know even before George passed probably all my life this feeling you know whenever I would get this feeling it would be labeled sad sadness. So, it can't be just grief. It can't be, you know, it, you know, I I don't know there there was a lot of sadness in childhood, you know, that sort of thing. You start trying to figure you start trying to figure it out and you go, what's the point, you know?

[00:55:46]>> Yeah. Yeah. And it has to do with things that happened in the past or what happened before last year or things like that.

[00:55:54]>> Yeah.

[00:55:55]No, there is no last year. It is so strange that there is there can be and there can be maybe it seems like oh but but in this year there's a lot of more sadness than the years before. So it has to be because of the passing of of my husband and all that. Yeah, >> it has nothing to do with that. There can be ideas but the freedom is that it's new >> and that that feeling is suddenly there without anything else than that feeling without knowing without a name >> and I can be naming it then that's what's going on. It it's not wrong then that when that energy is there that can can be strong. So that can happen too.

[00:56:46]>> There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:56:49]>> Yeah. And it's always new. I mean, even if it feels like the same sadness, it's always new. It's never the same.

[00:56:57]>> Sure.

[00:56:57]>> It's like physical pain. Physical pain is seems like it's the same, but it's never the same.

[00:57:03]>> It's never the same.

[00:57:04]>> Never the same.

[00:57:06]>> No.

[00:57:06]>> So, yeah.

[00:57:10]Yeah.

[00:57:12]And it has nothing to do with you.

[00:57:14]That's also strange because we we we take it like, oh, this is my sadness and yeah, that it happened. Oh, yeah. It has to do with and it's take it's it's about me. No, it has nothing to do with you.

[00:57:28]>> You're not you're not that important.

[00:57:30]No.

[00:57:31]>> No. But it's like >> true. [laughter] >> That sadness is just hanging around.

[00:57:36]It's just hanging in the air and then it's can be sensed or feel felt >> and you just go where does this come from? Where where did these thoughts and feelings come from? And then there's that's a kind of a a deadend path right there trying to figure that out too. and a lot of ideas and then and then there's filling in all that all and then wow there this being in a in a whole story in a wow yeah >> makes it makes it even stronger sometimes it seems like that not really but it's like wow it makes it it's not it's more solid it makes it more solid can be that way >> yeah well thank Thank you. Thank you, Rose.

[00:58:26]>> Yeah, thank you for asking. Yeah, for sharing more.

[00:58:33]>> Ah, thank you for sharing. [laughter] >> Yeah.

[00:58:40]Yeah. The funny thing is that we're normally so programmed not to feel so many things because it feels too much and all that. Well, the the strange thing is when there's that feeling of suddenly like crying or then the crying happens and then after after that like maybe I don't know few minutes then it's completely gone and there's something else it's like a little child or all that and what we normally and what a lot of times can be used to like uh there's something going on not trying not to feel it and then something it's just like holding on to it and it keeps it it keeps it with you in that way. So it seems like oh I don't want it my I take it home. So it's like a bit strange to to to realize like how is it working because that >> seems like that I don't want to feel it.

[00:59:38]So then then m if I do that then it's going. No it's not going it's somewhere stuck and it makes it even stronger.

[00:59:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. felt that too where it feels >> yeah I don't want it and I want I want to ignore it you know or you know or distract myself from it or >> and then there's that that whole thing oh let's distract myself from the pain >> but there there's when that energy is up in that way then there's distracting and there's not wanting to of not want it doesn't matter because that what's going on is is life is on its own. So there's no you there there's no influence like when you say like I I I want to I don't want to feel it or something like that there that just thoughts going on they don't have any influence it's just not that no >> they're they're very empty those thoughts they're so empty >> yeah they're empty and there's that there's meaningless but it seems like they have a power and I shouldn't do that and all that You can't. There's no one.

[01:00:50]>> Yeah.

[01:00:50]>> Already. So, can be a lot of things going on, but it's not wrong. It it doesn't it it doesn't matter.

[01:00:59]>> Yeah.

[01:01:03]>> Yeah.

[01:01:06]>> Thank you.

[01:01:07]>> Yeah. Thank you.

[01:01:18]It's exactly what it is. Everything is new and one. There's only this. There's nothing else going on. And it doesn't matter if that thoughts like I I should not do that or all that. Then those thoughts can happen. When that energy is there, that energy is there. Everything is energy. You could say in in in different way, thought, thing, feelings, lamp, tea, sense, smell, [snorts] the wall. It's it's like every it's everything. It's energy and that we we we take it in every different parts like solid and not that solid and all that.

[01:02:00]It's energy. It's an appearance of energy.

[01:02:04]It's new.

[01:02:06]It's not for anyone.

[01:02:08]It's life full on and that's it for no one.

[01:02:17]Thank you. Thank you.

[01:02:26]Oh, wait. Perhaps.