The guest’s attempt to bridge historical existence and divine nature is a textbook logical failure that collapses under the weight of simple comparative analysis. It highlights the futility of using circular theological rhetoric to evade the rigorous burden of proof required in a rational debate.
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All right, let's go to Null, who is in the guest queue.
Let's bring them aboard.
Yo, man.
>> on, Null?
Yeah.
How's it going?
I'm good. How are you? Yeah, pretty good. Uh can I get your age and pronouns, please?
I'm 28. Uh I guess for the respect of the panel, you can refer to me as he or him.
Fantastic. All right. And which god do you believe in?
Uh Christ.
Yahweh. Okay. And what's your best evidence that God is not evil?
The cross.
Cross? Okay.
Uh what about the cross?
Like just the cross by itself or like what it represents or Yeah, the cross alone signifies unconditional love for all of mankind and sinners.
Okay.
And how do we know that?
Cuz in John 3:17-18, it says God sent his son to the world to save it, not condemn it.
Okay.
So, whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life as a free gift. Oh, fantastic. How do we know that's true?
Because we have evident faith.
Evident faith?
>> and historical data. Okay.
Uh historical data that God sent Jesus?
What what evidence is that?
What evidence is that? Yeah.
Can you reword that question?
Okay, how would you like me to reword it?
Are you asking for evidence?
>> evidence do we have that God sent his son? There we go.
Okay. That's a better way to put it.
>> So, this is where the conversation takes a shift cuz I need you to be open-minded.
Okay, I am open-minded. That's why I'm asking for evidence.
>> atheist or mythicist? I am an atheist.
Are you sure?
Uh yeah, I'm pretty sure.
So, are you open to history?
Yeah.
So, if we're going to get into Jesus' existence, I think is that where you're going?
Yes. Okay. Well, how does existence uh Well, this is we can go into the existence.
>> Yeah.
>> We can go into the existence, but I also don't want us to get too far away from God's love and nature. Okay.
So, well, you said it's the Bible. So, I think we're already there. You said it's the Bible because it says the Bible says that God Yeah, the cross which is backed up by the Bible. The Bible says God sent his only son and I'm asking how do we know that's true?
And because God could have lied about that, right? Or somebody could have lied about that.
>> just with Christ alone compared to any other god. Right, you look at Greek mythology. Um there's over 25,000 manuscripts on Christ alone. That's just texturally. So, if we look at archaeology or history um I mean, Rome alone is is great with evidence. Likewise, Egypt. Okay. Well, this is this is existence.
What is the evidence of divinity?
So, you're validating his existence.
But, you're struggling with accepting his divinity. Uh there's no Okay, so you're telling me there's evidence that he rose from the dead. What is that? So, are you saying are you willing to accept Jesus as a real person?
Yes, but I'm trying to get you to tell me why existence equals divinity because you would agree then Because we We have evidence that Buddha existed. That means Buddha achieved Nirvana, right?
>> Yeah, and Buddha also said that he is just a teacher and you should seek truth for yourself.
>> Okay. So, he he achieved he achieved Nirvana, right? He achieved Nirvana, right?
>> Yeah, Buddha achieved Nirvana, right?
>> what I'm trying to show you is I'm happy that you asked that question.
>> Hold on, let's engage with my question.
Okay. Well, I I want to give you your answer. All right. Is it a yes or no Buddha achieved Nirvana?
>> a yes or no answer. So, well, he either he did or he didn't. It's either he did or he did not. I'm trying to show you this for a second. Well, I'm just I just want to know if he did or not.
Yeah, so can you not interrupt?
Okay, well, how about you just answer the question? Yes or no, did he achieve Nirvana?
Yes. He did.
>> Christ is God and I want to show you why.
Okay.
>> hold on. Buddha achieved Nirvana. Since you validate Christ's existence >> I'm talking about Christ here. Maybe I misheard you.
>> Let's let's Let's go back to it because you said because existence equals divinity.
>> So I want to answer your question >> just just it's a yes or no.
>> he's not God. It's a yes or no answer.
>> Christ is a real person, you believe this, right?
>> not going to get off the question until you answer it. Yes or no, did Buddha achieve Nirvana?
>> There's nothing outside of scriptures that we Christ claimed.
>> going to let you hijack my life, okay? I have a question. It's very disrespectful to what I'm saying. answer your question. Jim, then just answer anything, bro.
>> anything, bro. Just answer yes >> narcissism. I'm not going to answer the way you want me to.
>> no, did That's not how debates work.
>> achieve Nirvana? Well, this is how it works in my life. So let's just answer the question.
>> said he didn't. He said he's just a teacher and you should seek truth for yourself. That's an actual quote.
>> is that the Buddhists are don't what they believe is not true?
Yeah, no. Neither Islam, neither preterists, agnostics, gnostics, new age, all of it points back to Christ.
Even Muhammad said, "You look at Sarah."
Even Muhammad said himself that he does not know where he is going, but he's just a messenger and he's not the first messenger cuz he acknowledges Christ.
Okay, again, how is any of this evidence that Jesus is God?
You asked me to prove his divinity and I'm trying to answer that question. So, please let me.
>> These are all claims so far. So far these are all claims.
>> acknowledge Jesus is at least a real person, which I'm happy you do, right?
Cuz that's very important.
>> Yeah, I'm agnostic toward it. I don't really care.
>> Because even even atheists acknowledge it. 90% of atheistic scholars affirm it.
Yeah, it it it doesn't matter if he exists or not. You look at his divinity.
>> of You're kind of on a hill that like isn't worth dying on. It doesn't matter if he existed or not. So, Are you even interested in listening to the other side?
Uh yeah, I just want you to engage with my questions. If you ignore my questions, then I'm just going to keep asking the questions.
So, are you going to answer my questions? Cuz I want to have a dialogue here.
>> and tricks. Okay, are you going to answer my >> and a daughter I got to pick up from school in the next 20 minutes. Okay.
Well, this is how this is how dialogue goes. Okay.
>> waste your time either.
>> not going to I'm not going to let you preach. I'm not going to let you just blow me off.
>> Stop being emotional. You're a grown man. Stop getting emotional.
>> them. That's how this works, [clears throat] right?
>> when you ask your question, let me respond. Don't interrupt and say, "Oh, let me answer my question." So, again, how can you refute his divinity?
>> It's okay. There is nothing outside of the scriptures that rebuttals the Bible.
Okay, how do we know the Bible is true?
>> from? How do we know the Bible is true?
Because you don't just make translations if there's no original copies, if there's no original manuscripts and writings.
>> Oh, okay. So, Virgil's Aeneid is true then. His followers wrote what he said.
Virgil's Aeneid is true then, right?
Cuz we have copies of that and we have manuscripts of that.
>> times Yeah, I'm not denying that those are true.
Anyone can claim something.
>> Yeah, Virgil's Aeneid is true. Just because something is true doesn't mean it's the way.
Cuz Islam is true, but that's definitely not the way, right? Because they mistreat women.
You can marry children. God says to unalive your enemies.
Right? Allah says that.
But what does Christ say? Bless your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you. So again, we're not going to let you preach.
>> So it's a unbelievable issue.
Okay, you're you're dodging my question.
The cross already shows you his words are true.
It just it's a cross. You already acknowledged he's a real person.
>> a claim. No, you need to understand what the difference is between a claim and what evidence is. What is the difference between claim and evidence? So what outside sources refute Jesus saying he's between claim and evidence. What is the difference between claim and evidence?
Claim is just a game of telephone. There is no substance to it.
We have archaeology. We have faithful believers and we can back this up.
There's a two-part question. What is the difference between claim and evidence?
>> answered your question, bro. You you just said claim. I'm not going to answer it again. You can replay it for your audience.
Archaeology, history So what's the what's your rebuttal?
We're going to look at what your behavior is Even Islam's foundation is us. Let's let's look at your behavior, No, because you're not answering questions.
>> to ad hom cuz he doesn't have a defense, dude. It's not ad homing.
It's not ad homing at all.
>> Ad homing?
What is ad homing? It's not You don't know what ad hom is? You don't know what ad hom is?
>> I said ad hom.
>> [laughter] >> Okay. So let's look at let's look at your behavior, No.
Look at him run.
Let's see if you No, you're not answering the questions. You're not engaging. So let's engage.
>> Please engage. Yeah, I am engaging. So here it is.
>> now he's going to bring up Peter. Yeah.
So I guess Peter was against Jesus.
Which part of this lines up with your behavior?
So, are we getting back to the topic?
>> Are you Are you talking to me with gentleness and respect?
>> Look at him run away from the topic.
This is crazy.
>> Are you talking to me with gentleness and respect? Hey, I'll do this for the next 20 minutes and I'll just clip the out of you.
>> So, do you want to do And you're you're doing you're going meta. So, are you doing this with gentleness >> word if he don't believe it?
Are you doing this with gentleness and respect? I thought God's word is an authority. Do you Why are you using it as an authority?
>> your words be your words? Are you letting your yes be your yes or are you dodging my questions?
So, There's a context to that.
>> Is Is going to ad hominem asking me questions with questions? Does that make you a defense?
>> history, and evidential faith. Okay, you're still avoiding my questions and we're not going to get off of it until you address my questions. You asked me if Jesus is God.
>> Let's go to Titus 3:2.
Speak evil of no one. Avoid quarreling.
Are you quarreling right now, sir?
No, I'm just giving you the blunt, honest truth. You are quarreling right now. You're going to meta. You're disrespecting me. You're not answering my questions. Are you being gentle? Are you showing courtesy? Is it courteous to not answer questions? This is definitely not a safe space.
>> answer questions? This is an NPC.
>> Is it courteous to not answer questions?
[laughter] Yeah, dude, this is racist. You can't say that. Do you not understand my questions? Are you Are you having a hard hard time understanding what I'm saying to you?
>> the words that are coming out of my mouth?
>> Yeah. Oh, you went racist. Okay, so now we're going racist now.
>> for quoting Chris Tucker? I'm a Rush Hour fan. Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> Now he's doing it.
>> Because you're appropriating uh you're appropriating black culture with doing that to a black man.
>> Black culture.
>> 2 seconds Timothy 24 2 Timothy 2 Not when you mock it like that. No, it's racist. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome, but kindly to everyone and apt teacher, patient. Yes.
>> Correcting opponents with gentleness.
Are you correct Are you patient?
>> of, man? I'm just giving you honest truth here. Okay, so you What's the definition of quarrelsome?
You.
What is the Oh, so you're going to see a picture you So, if I look up the word quarrelsome in the dictionary, it's going to say you in there. Is that what you're saying?
No, you're an example of a quarrelsome person.
>> ask for an example. Let's hear the words that are coming out of my mouth, okay?
Since you like to quote Chris Tucker, do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? I said quarrelsome.
What is the definition of quarrelsome?
It's the definition of quarrelsome.
>> you so defensive It's an example. Do you know the difference between an example and a definition? What is the difference?
>> be real, bro.
>> Okay, so we have Do we have a language comprehension problem? Is that what this is or >> from the convo that much, dude. The reason I strayed from the convo is cuz you're dodging my questions. You're not addressing my questions and so I'm looking at your behavior because this is how Christians act. You They act just like you. Yeah, I don't know what you're being quarrelsome.
>> You're not being patient. You're not being kind. You're not being courteous.
You're being You're being narcissistic. Okay, and That's fine. You can think what you want. Yeah, so Define Okay, so if you're not quarrelsome and if you're gentle and you're respectful, answer my question.
Define quarrelsome, please. So, are we not discussing the evidence of Christ?
Are we discussing the fruits of the spirit now?
>> your behavior took it this way. So, look what you made me do. Define quarrelsome.
>> how he treats his children? Define quarrelsome.
You, you're an example of it. You love to fight.
>> I Again, I did not give you I did not ask for an example.
>> to fight. So, give me an example of the world word quarrelsome.
I just did.
No, you didn't. You just said so's this part.
>> do you do that? That's a constant theme I notice. You ask a question, I answer it, and then you tell me to answer it again.
Okay.
So, let's go to Matthew 5:16. In the same way, let your light shine before others. Are you letting your light shine before others? Is this how you shine your light before others?
>> you put a do you put a lamp under a lampstand?
>> So, you answer questions with questions, so you're not answering questions again.
So, is this a common thing with you?
>> Jesus' words.
>> Okay. So, are you letting your light shine before others?
Yeah, whoever acknowledges me before men, I will acknowledge before my father.
>> giving glory to your father in heaven acting this way. This is how you give glory to your father in heaven? By acting like an >> answers. No, you're acting like an So, this is how you give glory to your father in >> Christ would have dusted his sandals by now, so I might be in disobedience here.
Uh no, not necessarily. Christ would have actually answered my question.
>> not even speak to those who don't welcome you. Yeah, he would have given it a fence. Cuz they'll just take something holy and attack you.
>> welcome to you. I actually had you >> right now. You're taking the holy scriptures and and using it as spiritual manipulation.
>> the Gentiles so that though they malign you and do you they may see your honorable deeds and glorify God when he comes to judge. Hey, everybody in the chat, type a one.
>> to their congregation, bro. Type a one if you think the guest is Type a one is if the guest is acting honorably or type a two if you think he's acting dishonorably. Let's see what the Let's see what all the other Gentiles have to say.
Yeah, you're going to leave. You're going to run like a little coward. I know that's what you're going to do cuz you can't handle this. You can't handle a little bit of >> is really going nowhere.
>> at all these twos. Look at all these twos. So, you're not actually acting very honorable, man.
>> What you're doing is you're acting dishonorably. You haven't even read your Bible. You don't even know what it says in your Bible. I even doubt you're a real Christian. You're just up here to perform. That's what you're here to do.
You're here Yeah, you're just here to perform. You're just here just to show yourself. This is all about you. This has nothing to do with God. This is about >> is it the unbelievers that constantly judge or us? So, are we going to debate? I get to I get to I get to I get to judge you. I get to judge you. That's what I get to do.
So, let's go to the next one. Now, concerning food sacrifice to idols >> Now, concerning food sacrificed to idols, we all know that all of us possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
>> So, are you building up or are you puffing up?
>> we on sacrifice Why are we on food now?
>> so clearly you haven't read the Bible because you would know what this is saying. Yeah, so what does it saying?
Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
Are you puffing up or are you building up? Yeah, he rebuked Corinth because they were very gifted.
>> Yeah, are you puffing up or are you building up?
>> used it in vain. So, you're not even answering the question. See, this is this is what we're talking about.
>> and all faith.
>> wants to come up and say whatever he wants to say. He doesn't actually want to engage. He's here to perform. He This is about him. This isn't about God.
You're not really a Christian. So, why would I listen to anything you have to say? I I I shouldn't regard anything you have to say. You're not even a real >> help you trust issues, bro. I'm sorry.
>> even a real Christian. It has nothing to do with trust. Romans 12:3 For by the grace given to me, I say to everyone among you not to think of yourself more highly. Hey, you reading that at all? Yeah, when did I say I was better >> to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. Yeah, so why are you up here?
Why are you up here?
>> When did I say I was better than you?
>> Why are you up here?
I mean, I was trying to the with the >> up here? Okay, you're trying to debate the panel.
>> manipulate your children and your wife.
to engage and answer any questions.
You're not here to engage in any questions.
>> the whole time. Well, at least I date and I actually go out and have dates and stuff like that.
>> he's middle-aged and not married. That's even worse.
>> 2:23. Yeah, you'd be wrong about that.
So, you're a mind reader, too. You're a mind reader.
>> is how you treat random people. That's crazy.
>> So, no, no. This is the energy I give back to people who mistreat me.
>> So, this is how this is how people mistreat me. No, I am a boss. I own my own business. So.
>> Of course you do. Yeah, of course I do.
So. Many people like you that, unfortunately. [clears throat] >> 2:23. Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies. You know that they breed quarrels. So, you're talking about yourself. to do with stupid and senseless controversies. So, you're calling yourself stupid and senseless.
>> if I'm stupid and senseless, what are you still doing [laughter] here? If I'm stupid and senseless. If I'm stupid and senseless, what are you still doing here?
>> [laughter] >> You're degrading yourself. Yeah, if you're stupid and senseless, what are you still doing here if I'm stupid and senseless? Cuz I love you and I want you to know and understand.
>> not love me. You don't know me. That's a lie.
>> And again, your trust issues.
>> Yeah, don't lie. You don't love any You don't love me. You don't know me. How can you You don't know me.
>> That's your trust issues, bro.
>> Titus 3:9. But avoid stupid controversies.
Genie So, this is worth your time. This is all worth your time. Making sitting here for [laughter] 30 minutes not answering any questions. That's specifically about the law. We're just talking about Christ divinity here.
>> Yeah.
Okay, so.
Which you have not given any evidence for.
I mean, I have. You just ran very far.
You've gone to You've gone to You've gone to avoid dodging questions. You haven't given any evidence.
Yeah.
You haven't given any answers to No, questions. We're not going to do that until you answer about your behavior. You are not doing that. So, we're not going to get off of this until you address your behavior.
>> going on timeout or something?
You're You're going to address your behavior.
Okay. [snorts] Is he putting me in timeout?
>> Yeah, this is my live. You're being taught right now. Beloved, never [clears throat] avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay," says the Lord. So, uh So, again, does your behavior line up with this?
>> How am I avenging myself? Yeah. Are you Does this line up with your behavior?
Read Romans 12.
>> you. You haven't You haven't read and I'm not going to read from you. I'm not going to do what you tell me. Oh.
>> going to do what you tell me. You're going to do what I say or you're not or you're just going to get embarrassed and you're going to get kicked. That's all it's going to happen for the next 10 minutes.
>> Hm?
You sound like my my mother. She was extremely abusive.
>> Oh, you should have heard what she You should have heard what how she sounded when I was with her last night. So, are you going to >> did I mention she passed away?
Yep. So, good job. Yep. And I And I gave her a happy time before she passed.
So, >> with the Lord. 1 Peter 3 Not after what I did to her. 1 Peter 3:15-16.
>> Uh Lord, forgive me.
>> So, are you going to make your defense to anyone? I'm demanding an accounting, which means I'm demanding an accounting.
>> for a rebuttal. You haven't given any You haven't given any evidence. You haven't answered any of my questions.
What were my questions regarding your evidence? What were my questions?
I mean, I have it written down here. We spoke that you validated Christ's existence.
And you asked me, "How does that prove his divinity?"
>> I said I said, "What were my questions around your Because you're not answering my questions. What was my questions around your evidence?"
>> Guys, am I not answering his questions?
>> You're not answering my questions.
You're not answering my question. You're You're saying this is what I wrote down.
I asked you what were my questions. I didn't I didn't ask for a play-by-play.
I didn't ask for a replay. I asked what my questions were. What were What were my questions?
Yeah, it is It's very immature for you to avoid answering my questions. See, when people ask questions, the curtiest thing, the polite thing to do >> Is to not interrupt them when they answer you. It is low-blowing.
Just answer the questions, >> low-blowing.
>> Just answer the questions.
>> Oh, so I can't say whatever I have to say?
No, you answer the questions.
>> though.
>> Then you can Then you can say what you want to say. I gave you a yes or no answer.
>> me to answer in a way that satisfies you.
>> questions. What were the questions?
>> ears. What were the questions?
>> to stroke your ego. What were the questions? Christ wasn't stroking my ego either when I asked him.
>> that I asked you?
>> So, again, What were the questions that I asked you?
>> 8 and 1/2 minutes to go. What were the questions that I asked you?
>> I will gladly answer when you stop yapping.
>> the questions that I asked you? Then I will keep asking the same question until you answer it. What were the questions I asked you?
Can you pinky promise not to interrupt me while I'm speaking?
>> that I asked you?
Can you pinky promise not to interrupt me?
>> the questions that I asked you?
>> You're dodging.
You're going to get 10 opportunities.
10 dodges. I've already had >> the questions that I asked you?
>> times. Dodge number one.
This is the guest dodging. What were the questions that I asked you?
>> the existence of Christ and wanted me to show you how that proves the Bible.
>> Are you joining the Dodgers this weekend on the triple A team? Archaeology and history >> Try number three. What were the questions that I asked you?
>> says, "It is finished."
>> Dodge number three. What were the questions that I asked you?
>> fish.
>> Dodge number four. What were the questions that I asked you?
He's that >> Dodge number five. What were the questions that I asked you?
>> This is crazy.
>> six. What were the questions that I asked What were the questions that I asked you?
I just answered. Can you relay my response?
>> No, you didn't.
I did. No, you didn't. You talked about You talked about You talked about You talked about Jesus saying it is finished. I didn't ask for that. I didn't ask about that. Now you're going meta.
So let's let's You want to try for dodge number seven?
>> meta? What were the questions that I asked you?
I already answered you, bro.
>> Dodge number seven. What were the questions that I asked you?
>> out.
What were the questions that I asked you?
>> telling you you're crashing out.
>> about my comments. Dodge number eight.
>> Of course you don't care at all, so why should we even bother? Let me Let me help you I asked you.
>> I'll draw the line in the sand and I'll just pray for you in my personal time.
>> questions No, do not pray for me.
>> Because I'm not going to give a child its candy.
No praypism here.
We don't prayp. And see, this is what I'm talking about. We've got See, Christians have a problem with boundaries. They have a problem with boundaries.
Like he's just going to say I'm going to pray for you. No, you're not going to pray for me without my permission.
That's not how this works.
You There is no prayping here.
So See, this is what we do to people who do not honor and respect boundaries.
When they don't honor and respect boundaries, you get rid of them. You say goodbye.
That's what you do.
Because clearly he's not a real Christian because he knows that if I go into the Bible with him, he's going to get wrecked. Absolutely wrecked.
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