Anysia Kym Talks Tony Seltzer, Conspiracy Theories, Gatekeeping Black Music & More

Added: 2026-05-05

[00:00:01]And we are going. What is going on with everybody? It is your boy Eric aka Young God coming to you live in the green dungeon giving it to you raw and rugged and I feel like a I feel like a Pokemon catcher of the 10K label. I feel like I got to I got to catch them all.

[00:00:16]Like I've interviewed everybody from the label. I have a very special guest on the other line. I will let her introduce herself. Who do we have here today?

[00:00:24]Hi, I'm Enisa Khan.

[00:00:28]Ask me.

[00:00:29]>> [laughter] >> How you doing?

[00:00:31]I'm good. I'm a little sleepy. I was out last night. Um It was 4:20 in the city. There was something going on.

[00:00:40]Um yeah, so slept in.

[00:00:42]I'm here drinking some jasmine tea in my living room chilling. It's kind of elite. I told you this off camera and told you in detail. Ask me what time I woke up today.

[00:00:53]What time is it now? It's 12:14. I woke up at 11:50.

[00:00:57]So >> [laughter] >> Wow.

[00:01:00]So I'm So you woke up like this? I woke up Yeah, I'm telling about my Beyonce bag for real today. So I I'm definitely but when I woke up I had I set a timer specifically. I was like I'm not going to sleep that late but if I do I'm going to set a timer. I woke up at 11:50. I was like I got to hurry up and get ready for this interview. So I'm I'm I'm I'm doing the interview the same thing same way I woke up same way I went to sleep in. So I I appreciate you coming through. I was also telling you this off camera. I met you at the festival in Gainesville the Big Cat Festival you're the nicest person of all time. I appreciate that.

[00:01:36]>> [laughter] >> I really appreciate that. There was like there was like there was like three people in that festival that I've never that I've never spoken to. It was you, it was Earl and it was Liv. And um I was speaking to Do you know Redveil?

[00:01:51]Yeah. Also very nice guy.

[00:01:54]>> many many years ago. Really? Yeah, him and Mike were touring together. They went on a tour together? They were Yeah, they were on a tour together with Freddie Gibbs. What year was that?

[00:02:05]It's 2020. I'm going to take a shot. I think it was 2023. Okay.

[00:02:09]Okay. Yeah, but he's very sweet and I love what he stands for and what he incorporates in his raps and his work ethic.

[00:02:16]>> No, for sure. I'm going to publicly give him a shout out cuz I haven't said this anywhere. I introduced myself to Liv in the same awkward way that I introduced myself to you and he was like he he interrupted us and was like you don't know Eric? Man, this [ __ ] this [ __ ] like the mayor of Florida, man. This [ __ ] here is like the coolest [ __ ] of all time. I was like after this I was like bro, thank you cuz she could have thought who the [ __ ] is this random ass [ __ ] talking to me.

[00:02:41]>> [laughter] >> So shout out to Redveil.

[00:02:43]Shout out to Redveil.

[00:02:45]But no, your your your performance was great.

[00:02:49]You said that was your first festival in like outside of New York?

[00:02:54]Yeah. Got you. Got you. Got you. Got you. Got you. Got you. How did you feel about it? Like how did you feel about your performance?

[00:03:00]I felt great. I feel like first of all shout out to Big Cat. I think what they're doing is amazing. I think like that being my first festival felt so special because it was also kind of like musician summer camp.

[00:03:15]The bill was super stacked.

[00:03:18]Um the crowd felt because of I think the bill the crowd felt like people who were either there to like learn about a new artist or see their phase or see their phase and stick around and learn something new. So it felt like a very open crowd a very receptive crowd. Um It was a beautiful day. It was hot as hell. It was like Florida's finest. You know, we didn't get like rain or anything. Um yeah, it was great. I feel like my performance was very fun. I had a lot of fun and I got to play some new music and old stuff and it's always nice when people know the lyrics. So we are together. It was really nice. No, you had one of my favorite performances of the night. You know, which was another reason I wanted to interview you.

[00:04:03]Last year, you know who had the performance of the night? Wiki. Wiki.

[00:04:07]Oh, he played last year.

[00:04:08]>> Wiki I I'm it's just like a meat rider.

[00:04:11]I think Wiki might have had the best performance I've ever seen in my life.

[00:04:14]I've I mean he's charismatic as hell.

[00:04:16]That's >> insane, you know? So shout out to Wiki.

[00:04:19]That guy is super talented super duper talented guy. But you this year had one of my favorite performances of the 2026 Big Cat Festival and um How many have you gone to? That was my second one. So I've only been to the one last year and I went to the one this year cuz the one last year pretty much the same like the people that were there were there last year outside of like I don't know there was some additions but like a lot of the same people were there for like Alchemist was there, Navy was there.

[00:04:49]A bunch of the same people were there.

[00:04:50]So but it was cool to see you there cuz you weren't there last year.

[00:04:55]Liv, Sideshow wasn't there last year.

[00:04:58]He had a really good performance. Um shout out to all the white people there, man. Gosh, white people are funny, man.

[00:05:04]I wasn't there for this but my homie was there for it. He said some white dude came up to Nionte or he came up to Sideshow, excuse me. And he was like yo, bro Nionte I'm such a big fan of your music, bro.

[00:05:23]This is why he doesn't do interviews.

[00:05:24]>> [laughter] >> Oh my god. And so I told I told I told Nionte cuz before the festival I was like I'm going to the festival this year again cuz he went to the festival last year Nionte and I was like are you coming? He was like nah.

[00:05:40]He was like but anybody on the roster you want to interview with let me know and I'll set it up right now. I was like all right, cool. I was like I'm I'm going to get back to you. He was like yeah, this person going this person going. He was like I don't know if Sasha going to do an interview. I was like bro, I listen to Sasha. I know that [ __ ] ain't going [laughter] to do no damn interview.

[00:05:56]That is so funny. But that's a question for >> actually no this like >> [laughter] >> They're brothers but they you know, there's there's differences.

[00:06:05]Don't they don't look the same at all.

[00:06:07]>> [laughter] >> Not even a little bit.

[00:06:09]But I got my question for you is because this is such an interesting thing I feel like about the people that the black people at the the festival that performed. I would include Noname in this cuz when I interviewed Noname we had a long very conversation we had a long conversation about if you ever listen to Noname's music she talks about a lot of very black issues, black things, black topics, stuff that you probably only understand if you're black. But her but her concerts majority white. And she told me that that messed with her brain. Like she kind of wanted to stop doing concerts because she was like what the [ __ ] am I Like who am I performing for? Like this isn't even the music that's for y'all.

[00:06:45]When you go to your concerts like I said I feel like a lot of you guys are making music that's like coming from very heavy black expression. I don't know the makeup of your concerts but is it a lot of white people?

[00:06:56]No, I mean I feel like in my recent experiences it's been very black and very queer. Oh.

[00:07:03]Um and you get a sprinkle of white folk but um No, uh I think I also sing and I I have started to realize like with rap specifically white people they flock to that in droves. I don't know if it's kind of like a I don't know. I mean hip hop and rap is very hypnotic but it does it does like white hip hop fans is a thing, you know, it's a thing that a lot of us detest but it is definitely a thing and I feel like in alternative music it's a bit more I don't know. I There definitely be white people in the crowd but it definitely be mixed.

[00:07:43]Um and like for my specifically I felt like I saw like so many black beautiful people. So I was like one of the things I noted but I feel like I mean I didn't get a chance to see like when Earl was on stage like it was so many people at that point but I feel like in the front what I could see was white faces. So I think it just has something to do with I feel like it might be rap specific.

[00:08:06]You think so? That's interesting. I never thought about it being like the rap music specifically. I kind of think so. Yeah, like I mean I supported Gina at their show at Baby's All Right recently in New York City. Beautiful black crowd. I I think I could count on one hand how many uh non black White people ain't listening to that type of music though now that I think about it. Like white people not listening or not I'm not saying Liv doesn't have white fans but like that is like some that's some like like you like Neo if I go to a Neo Soul concert you're probably not going to see that many You know what I'm saying? The thought of Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thought of seeing uh It's giving like probably like white husband black wife. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Like >> what she like? Like you go to Music Soulchild concert it's probably going to be a lot of black aunties there. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't even think like the the only white people you probably see at a a Music Soulchild concert is like old like a 50 year old white woman who like probably only like black men or something like that. You know what I'm saying?

[00:09:04]>> [laughter] >> But hip hop I don't know. I feel like you know sometimes it I mean and it happens in R&B as well. There's definitely like white and white passing R&B artists but I feel like in hip hop something about it really just conjures up this like need for like white people to even start rapping. I mean it's it's something about that like Yeah, I was going to start going on a tangent but I don't want to name names cuz honestly that's like kind of platforming situation anyway but like being like white white hip hop fans is one thing and then white and then it starts to develop into like I'm white and I want to rap like I don't know what it is about hip hop that seems like or this poetry. I don't know if it's cuz it seems like I I want to I want to give this a try but like you don't it's okay. You don't have to. If you don't mind I kind of want to dig deeper in this and get your thoughts on this Cuz I'm I'm this is something that really like interests me. Like like I think about it like I mean even the chest stands like at the Mike concert for example. Like that's that's so rap specific. I feel like that wouldn't even really run up in a like where there's a singer on the stage.

[00:10:12]Like I don't know. We we I did an interview with him and Niyante about that last year cuz they came to Jacksonville. That's where I live at Jacksonville, Florida. And we talked about that. And also there was this white I was interviewing fans in the show.

[00:10:27]And this one white boy was like he was like, "Dude, Niyante I'm such a big [ __ ] fan, dude. Like if I wasn't like a fan of you, dude, I would have stole your shirts. Like I don't have enough allowance for that, but like I would have totally stole your shirts, but I I [ __ ] love you, dude." And I told Niyante about that and Mike And Niyante said [ __ ] would have falcon punched him from the off the stage.

[00:10:48]And funny funny thing, I'm at the festival and this white this random white boy comes up to me. He says, "Eric!

[00:10:56][ __ ] haven't seen in a long time, dude." And I'm I don't know it. I don't know that. White people all white people look kind of same to me. I'm like, "Oh, what's going on?" And he was like, "Hey, man. I'm the one that said I was going to steal the t-shirts." And I was like, "That's really funny." He was like, "Niyante >> claim is White people are funny though.

[00:11:11]He was like, "If Niyante would have punched me, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HILARIOUS."

[00:11:14]>> [laughter] >> YOU SEE THIS IS LIKE it gets a bit like masochistic too. Like I don't know. But the the one the the the the the angle I want to dive deeper into this because like you were saying the the the more lyrical alternative black music it's it's so white. So like I don't know. I'm I'm going on a rant. I'm sorry. You just respond to what you to to to what you feel like.

[00:11:40]I look at somebody like Niyante. Niyante is from Kissimmee, Florida. I'm from Jacksonville, Florida.

[00:11:46]I know I know Florida music. He makes like Florida adjacent music. He makes music that like a certain type of [ __ ] should listen to, but the fact that he's like aligned with Mike he has a lot of fans that if he was not aligned with Mike, I don't I think they would be like, "This isn't real hip hop.

[00:12:07]This isn't This isn't because he's he has a Florida accent. He kind of has like a mumble. He literally has a song called Mumble Man." And that's a lot of things that those fans are not into. Like those guys are the white fans. The white fans. I'm saying I feel like a lot of those fans would be adverse to listening to him and like Niyante >> They not only do they like to be white hip hop fans, they also like to be purists. Yeah.

[00:12:34]>> Which is like low-key I mean yeah. I feel like that's the antithesis of hip hop. There's so many layers and there's so many approaches to hip hop and it's super regional. So for you to to be like, "Oh, this isn't rap cuz he's mumbling or cuz he has heavier synth or maybe this is drumless or whatever the [ __ ] taste aside and I'm like it's so funny to me that it be the white folk that be the purists.

[00:12:58]>> Yeah.

[00:12:59]>> You not even supposed TO BE HERE.

[00:13:00]>> [laughter] >> LIKE JUST LISTEN AND enjoy and like yeah, they they be getting beside themselves. And and and it's super interesting because that type of music like anything 10K I feel like is going to be looked at.

[00:13:18]And it's interesting because I feel like it's like 10K it's like this is pure.

[00:13:22]This is pure hip hop.

[00:13:24]Mhm. But if a [ __ ] that raps just like Niyante that's not signed to 10K, they won't look at that as pure hip hop. And white people specifically they will not look at it as pure hip hop because maybe they don't have they they have a co-sign from Black Youngsta. And it's like, "Well, Black Youngsta isn't pure hip hop."

[00:13:40]>> [laughter] >> You know what I'm saying? And it's funny because I grew up listening to super southern hip hop. I listened to Lil Webbie, Lil Boosie. That was like, "Oh my gosh, it's like the best music of all time when I was a kid or whatever." And it's like if I go back and listen to like Webbie and Boosie they're like as hip hop as they could be. But the fact that it's street, they got accents. It's like, "Oh, this isn't hip hop." And I don't know where I'm going with this rant, but it's just really >> it's so hip hop though. It just frustrates me that it's not looked at that like looked at it like that, you know?

[00:14:11]I don't know if it's because growing up in New York and like listening to Hot 97 when I grew up, Lil Boosie, Webbie they would be on, but so would like there would be a dancehall hour, there would be I mean I'm trying to think of like pre-Drake every 30 minutes 5 like no shade. Like there it really was every type of I mean there also was was a lot of like regional stuff that wasn't playing on the radio, but I feel like in New York it was kind of welcomed with open arms. Like we got this flavor, we got that flavor. It was it was considered hip hop to me. Can I can I can I throw a shot at you indirectly?

[00:14:48]A little bit.

[00:14:49]I guess.

[00:14:50]>> [laughter] >> I like I like how it went from a little bit I guess.

[00:14:55]>> [laughter] >> IT KEPT GOING BACKWARDS.

[00:15:00]NOT A SHOT AT YOU, but man I just I'm sounding like a broken record. Shout out to your hometown.

[00:15:06]So notoriously I've been anti-New York.

[00:15:09]You know?

[00:15:10]>> [laughter] >> I I interviewed Cali Moonstone at the festival last year and I let her know that. She was ready to like beat me up on camera.

[00:15:18]So I Huh?

[00:15:21]Where's Cali from? She's from Queens.

[00:15:23]So I knew that because like a typical New York person she told me where she was from even though I didn't ask her where she was from cuz that's what you guys do all the time, you know? So >> [laughter] >> But with that being said I low-key not low-key I high-key think that hip hop is looked that way. It's not even white people's fault.

[00:15:44]It's kind of y'all's fault. It's kind of y'all's fault. Yes, it's kind of y'all's fault because New Yorkers notoriously are very uh you know, it's the Mecca of hip hop. You know, this where the REAL HIP HOP IS. Now don't see look at you.

[00:15:57]You see the strut? You see?

[00:15:58]>> [laughter] >> You see? But let me cook. Let me cook.

[00:16:02]Let me cook. Let me cook. Let me cook.

[00:16:03]Let me cook. Let me cook.

[00:16:05]Yes, hip hop was founded in New York by by you know, the Afrika Bambaataas of the world. What a great human being that is, right? You got to love Afrika Bambaataa. Home of New York. HOME OF NEW YORK.

[00:16:17]NEW YORK CITY.

[00:16:18]>> [laughter] >> Several things can exist at once. Sure.

[00:16:20]Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.

[00:16:22]>> Many truths can Sure. Sure. Sure. But with that being said >> And let's think about the unsung women Okay.

[00:16:29]Okay. What's her name just got two two two two ladies I love from New York going to get inducted into the the Rock and Roll Hall Hip Hop the the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. MC Lyte and Queen Latifah.

[00:16:41]Shout out to Shout out to Oh, Queen Latifah's from New Jersey. She she y'all can't even have her. But MC Lyte from New York. MC Lyte from New York. Shout out to MC Lyte. But I I think about the I think about in the 90s where Outkast accepted an award at the Source Awards.

[00:16:56]That was like the best new hip hop act or whatever. And they get booed. And they're in New York. And they're like and what Andre's like, "The South got something to say."

[00:17:05]I think you guys have been territorial territorial to the point and let's be real. You guys look at like people from the South as kind of like dumb, you know? Like kind of like you know, a little slower than you guys. And I feel like that kind of you know, has like has kind of stayed that sentiment's kind of stayed in hip hop. And that's why certain times you hear somebody from the South talking a certain way, you look at it differently than if they're pronouncing all their words correctly.

[00:17:31]I'm going to shut up now. But I feel like that is kind of a New York trope that you put on that you guys put on us.

[00:17:37]Okay. I will not sit here and say that you you you Nothing you said is a lie.

[00:17:44]I definitely think on my uh on my multiple truths can we can hold multiple truths. But I think that's also true and I also think that New Yorkers there is a sense of pride and there is a sense of like but then then like I said that that really comes from the purist standpoint and I feel like not every New York hip hop fan is a purist. So that's why I'm inclined to to say and I can only speak for myself. I like listen to any type of hip hop. Like and it's always kind of been that way, but I definitely have heard in conversations like your old head New Yorkers be like, "Yeah, this new this I can't listen to none of this new shit." And then but it's like it's it's all different. I mean I think about like uh You can think about like the Dipset era or just [ __ ] from Harlem for example. Let's just focus on Harlem. I feel like that's such a I when I'm thinking of the spectrum of what hip hop like and I always I I've said this before. I really do feel like hip hop is such high drama.

[00:18:48]>> Yeah. And so like if we take like southern rap and there's such a drama and a finessing uh there's like a beauty and a theatrics to that kind of in the same way that [ __ ] in Harlem and like the Dipset era like Cam'ron and Juelz and flashiness and like I mean [ __ ] actually made films out of this. Like it's all within the scope of hip hop. I don't And like even when we think about the way like 80s rappers were dressing all like you know like flamboyant even. It was definitely more flamboyant and more colorful. Like I don't know. I think there is room for for all that. I feel like sometimes New Yorkers do like to pretend and like forget about it's not always rough and rugged. There is there is that, but rough and rugged looks different regionally. Yeah. So I I don't I I would agree to disagree. I think you're right.

[00:19:39]Some New Yorkers can get a little prideful, but I think that's kind of like Let's say I think it really comes from [ __ ] trying to pretend like New York is not a really important epicenter of hip hop. Now what it is now, and currently, like that like I said, two things can be true. That doesn't take away from where hip-hop started, but we talking about right now. And I can I can acknowledge that as a New Yorker. My favorite part of this conversation is I said I did the hip-hop is the Mecca, and you shook like, "Yeah, [ __ ] it is the [laughter] Mecca." I was too.

[00:20:10]And cuz you know that's T. Like It's like yes, and. We're on our yes, and.

[00:20:16]>> For sure. And and and this is where I can't It's where it's it's like the It's like you got to give like a critique and a compliment. Uh this is where I give New York the compliment, because they have you. They have Kelly Moonstone right now. They have >> right now.

[00:20:31]>> You know what I'm saying? You right now they have Mike They have They have so many people that I like from New York.

[00:20:39]I think. You know what's funny? My favorite New York music isn't actually not rap music right now. It's like kind of like the pop or alternative type of music. Like like like I love Mike and uh people like that, but like there's not too many rappers I can think about from New York who I actually like right now, but you guys have a lot Like I said, Kelly Moonstone, who also raps. Great rapper and great singer. So I It's like Lyricist. Super duper. It's crazy, cuz I I first heard her like rapping. I was like, "Oh my gosh, this must be like the gritty New York rapper." Then I heard another song she was singing. I was like, "Wait, is the same person?" So You know who else does that really well?

[00:21:13]Messiah.

[00:21:15]You know what's funny? I've never really I've heard Messiah on features, never heard a Messiah project. Am I Am I asleep? No, I mean Messiah She has solo projects, but she is also in a duo with uh her friend, our lovely friend Jay Worth, who's an amazing producer.

[00:21:30]>> Jay Worth uh next week.

[00:21:32]Amazing.

[00:21:33]>> Oh, I have Oh, yeah, I have I'm tripping. I have heard their projects, because I I listen to a lot of Jay Worth. You're You're right. Yes, yes.

[00:21:39]Messiah is fire.

[00:21:40]>> the the what I'm referencing when I just thought of lyricism and beautiful vocals is unreleased Messiah. So that's why I think you're not Messiah has an amazing voice, and she has played me and has Insekt's played like upcoming music, but she like her cadence and the pockets, the way that she raps in the pockets she falls into, and then she has this beautiful voice that she honestly doesn't utilize enough. I think their air project has like one song where Messiah singing on, and she definitely needs to do that more. But I mean you Yeah, I I I think there's a lot of And like you said, in terms of like alternative music based in New York, like uh >> [clears throat] >> I've trying to like Cortisia Star, who actually not from New York. I believe she's from Rhode Island, but she performs in New York a lot, and um I'm not like I just did I did a lot radio set like last summer. You know what? I want to see where they're from before I quote them, because if they're also not from New York, then my theory just >> [laughter] >> I can wrap this up. I can wrap this up.

[00:22:42]Hold on.

[00:22:43]Um nope, they're from Detroit, and they make music in New York. You know what I think throws me off, too? What's up? And maybe this is a little bit shade to gentrifiers, and I'm taking a like sharp right turn, because I I do feel like uh what what I don't love about the scene is I can't tell who's from New York and who's not. Like a lot of people come here, and then they play New York so much, and they do the club scene, and they do the New York based radio, and they do the New York this, that, and the third.

[00:23:14]You're not really helping the cause if you're not putting on your city. Like you moved here to get put on. So I'm going to You And then you blew up here.

[00:23:23]What are we What are we left to think?

[00:23:26]You know what I mean? Like What What can we assume? It's the city.

[00:23:30]>> my vocals, and then it's like, "Oh, you're not."

[00:23:32]Oh, okay.

[00:23:35]Y'all have a lot of outsiders in New York.

[00:23:38]Yeah. So like being in Jacksonville, most people who live in Jacksonville are from Jacksonville, but it's a It's a military base here. So either you're from Jacksonville, or your people in military and you came here like a little later in life. But for the most part, you from Jacksonville. How is that like dealing with I don't know, does it feel less New Yorky right now to you, or it does?

[00:23:58]Yeah.

[00:23:59]How?

[00:24:00]Um I don't know what the culture of New York is, aside from like my Like I have family here. I have friends here. I have In terms of the music scene, the culture of New York feels like an anti-culture, which I think is really cool and really beautiful, but um I don't really know what the culture is right now. And that's not even That's not always a bad thing. Sometimes anti-culture, I think we need to to like homogenize less. That's That's always cool. So [ __ ] it. It's anti-culture. But it definitely doesn't feel like the the But you know And maybe I'm in a bit of like a like a devil's advocate mood right now, but I feel like You know, also like that's that just that That literally is why Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe we don't need to sit here and be like, "Yeah, cuz like the the anti-the the purest mentality hasn't really gotten us anywhere, anyway." I do think we should honor like the foundations and what got us to where we are, of course, but there were a lot of [ __ ] up things happening foundationally. So maybe we don't need to like try to uphold those things.

[00:25:08]Um But I think there is uh I think the the anti-New York essence that I feel sometimes is it should feels a little doggy dog where it doesn't need to. Like there is quite literally room for everybody. Maybe I'm not even thinking that, but if you have something to say, you have something to offer, I don't really think there needs to be a crabs in a bucket mentality. And I feel like sometimes people come out here with that, when it's like obviously such and such did it. Like a million other people came here and put on [clears throat] and do what they needed to do. So why did you come here and start feeling like you need to strong arm? I don't I don't like that part. And sometimes it feels a bit Things feel a bit transactional. But I am also someone who like I keep to my people. I'm I I I love socializing, and I like getting to know people, but I definitely um I'm a bit more reserved, and kind of stick with my folks and myself, and yeah.

[00:26:03]I think that you were like kind of going there, but you backed up on it. I wish you would have just stayed there 100%. We're moving a little too far away from the foundation of hip-hop. As much as As much as I take a poop on New York sometimes I mean yes, some of the My favorite rapper of all time is Ghostface Killah, who is from New York. So I I I love New York hip-hop, you know? So when I listen to certain hip-hop today, maybe you're more open You know what's funny? I'm from the south, and I will say this is a true stereotype people from the south. I might be a little bit more close-minded than you are.

[00:26:34]There's a lot of shenanigans coming out of hip-hop right now that don't even sound like hip-hop. And it's like, "This What is this genre?" And it's it's not like, "Oh my gosh, this is new. This sounds refreshing." It's like, "No, [ __ ] this sounds dookie. What is this What are you making right now?" And yeah, it found It sounds like it sounds like people are straying away a little too far off from what hip-hop is supposed to sound like, where it's like, "Yo, you're not You're not saying anything." Like it's it's like I think hip-hop you should be saying something.

[00:27:03]I'm not even saying you have to be Tupac and say some revolutionary message, but like what's your perspective on anything?

[00:27:09]>> your perspective?

[00:27:10]>> I don't know any of your perspective.

[00:27:11]That's why I go back to like, for example uh growing up on 2006, 2005, 2007 Boosie I knew his perspective on I knew his perspective on way too much right now, but back then I knew his perspective on his baby mama. He had a song called Baby Mama, where he's talking about the very complicated relationship of him, his baby mama, and how it's stressing him out. Uh he has songs about how he's stressing his mama out about thuggin, even though he knows it's wrong, he's too deep in the streets. Just perspective like that.

[00:27:43]Where it's like you could be a street [ __ ] and give me perspective on anything. You could give me perspective on the [ __ ] TV show you're watching, anything. I don't know anything about you. So I don't know. I don't like that about like a lot of modern hip-hop.

[00:27:56]I would agree. It starts to fall into like you're a little bit making fun of hip-hop. That's And I And I get a little defensive, cuz okay, I want to say something. I'll say a name right now if you if it makes you feel better. You want to say a name. The little fat Mexican kid. [ __ ] hate that guy.

[00:28:13]Little fat Mexican? He He feels like a mockery of hip-hop.

[00:28:16]>> There's one that says the N-word.

[00:28:18]No, who you talking about?

[00:28:20]>> [laughter] >> I just remember one of my friends being like, "Yo, da da da da is hot one." I mean I mean they all say the N-word, but I don't [laughter] know who you're talking about.

[00:28:27]>> No, but this one One of my friends I They specifically was like, "Yeah, da da I [ __ ] with him, but he do be saying the N-word." And I was like, "That's a hell of an asterisk." LIKE [laughter] I DON'T KNOW IF I could No.

[00:28:41]It's a kid named Too Slimy. You ever heard of Too Slimy?

[00:28:44]It's noise.

[00:28:46]>> multiple rap Mexicans right now.

[00:28:49][ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] But he don't say [ __ ] It's funny. That's That's the least of my problems with him. He don't even say [ __ ] He just terrible. That's all it is. Oh, is it bad or is It's I mean it's it's literally just him making Oh, you know what's funny? I'll I'll I'll literally do this for you real quick. Like it's it's just noise, and it's like wow, I wish this wasn't like a thing. I wish this And it feels like it feels like he makes these songs, and he goes home, he just laughs. He's just like, "Ha ha ha ha ha. Look at this." It's like this this is Too Slimy.

[00:29:30]It's like I don't know what I don't know what this is. I don't know what's happening here. No, but it's like you have the makings of what you think is supposed to be hip-hop. I need hella auto-tune.

[00:29:40]I need the 808s bust so hard you can barely I need to vocals tucked under.

[00:29:46]I'm going to wear black and leather and hair in the face like you do you know why Playboi Carti got that drip? Like he that's not some [ __ ] he just like picked from a menu. Like that's his drip for real. You know what I mean?

[00:30:01]That's that would be the difference.

[00:30:02]Like I feel like sometimes you see it and it's like a bit like this it's giving costume. And hip-hop and black people notoriously don't be gatekeeping as hard as we need to.

[00:30:13]>> For sure. So that kind of is to your point where I'm sorry.

[00:30:18]>> And I don't want to pile on him but like I would say the thing that kind of like struck me really cuz I was like he sucks but then I seen a video of him making like a song with his engineer and his engineer is just like laughing as they're making the song and it's like is this a parody song? Is like why are you Like he was I mean you would have thought that [ __ ] was watching the Kings of Comedy. This [ __ ] was just cracking up just dying laughing. The engineer was either white or Mexican. I couldn't tell but >> [laughter] >> either or. I don't get it out of here I don't like this. I don't like this.

[00:30:48]Okay, I'm going to say a name which is very different from the name you're saying and I maybe I'm ignorant and I'm missing something but I don't like what Kim Gordon's doing with the with the autotune and the I'm not tapped in enough with Kim Gordon. So you got to you got to you got to educate me. Okay, I got to I got to find the I think it's the second album that she's doing. Okay, I didn't realize that she was having to She started a rock band.

[00:31:15]She was in Sonic Youth. She was the lead and that's iconic in and of itself but uh the last album that she did has like I didn't listen to it cuz the song I think it's called the collective.

[00:31:27]It's like alleged it's supposed to be like plug beats and it's supposed to be her like uh super autotuned and very Lil Uzi Vert very Playboi Carti inspired but it's I just feel like you're giving me nothing. Like the coolest part about it is that you're an old white woman doing it.

[00:31:45]>> Yeah. And that's simply not enough for me like but I'm I feel like I'm missing something cuz I have mad musical friends who are really jacking it like really into it. And I'm like Now I'm a bit of a purist because we just letting this The arm fold? Yeah, like hold up now. We're letting this old white woman dip her toe in it it just doesn't it also just doesn't sound good and I'm like what is the maybe what is the line between like expressing and trying something new? I we just have to be a bit stricter when it comes to like non-black people in hip-hop and rap though. I I do feel that way.

[00:32:22]Like can we can we can we get something?

[00:32:24]Can we be strict on something like it's Yeah. There's so many things just in the black experience that I I understand why we we don't want to just be like well no they like people should experience this this is the whole reason we tell our stories, right? But sometimes you can tell the story and someone be the storyteller and someone listen like not everyone needs you can't tell a story you don't live. Yeah.

[00:32:48]Right? So yeah, I don't know but I you know what I can pull it up on my iPhone. While you do that can I make an observation about you?

[00:32:56]So like in Is it hip-hop?

[00:32:58]>> [laughter] >> Maybe a little bit.

[00:33:01]Okay, so in about like 3 hours I have to go give therapy to like a 15-year-old kid.

[00:33:07]Uh cuz that's I'm yeah, I'm a therapist.

[00:33:09]So That's so beautiful. Thank you.

[00:33:12][laughter] So I'm going to make an observation. I'm going to I I say that to say I'm taking off my my journalist bonnet and I'm going to put on my my therapist bonnet about you real quick. It's nothing crazy. I promise it's nothing crazy.

[00:33:21]It's nothing crazy.

[00:33:23]You seem like a very nice human being.

[00:33:26]Very very sweet person.

[00:33:29]But I can tell there's something inside of you.

[00:33:31]You see stuff. You like talk [ __ ] I can see you be like this [ __ ] sucks. But I I feel like you're like maybe I'm being mean. I say that to say I think I love this about you now and when we get when I turn this recording off and we're not on recording I want to you [ __ ] on so many people with you. I just [laughter] want I don't want to get you in too much trouble. You start naming people. So let's do this off camera. I just want to go like on a [ __ ] FEST WITH YOU. [laughter] THAT IS HILARIOUS.

[00:33:58]I am no better than the next. I just talk my [ __ ] but I I think I try to dictate time and place. I think and also uh No, yeah, I be talking [ __ ] but I also sometimes you got to let people cook.

[00:34:10]You know what I mean? I think I try to discern like should I let should I let this rock or is this like a ballad?

[00:34:16]>> [laughter] >> Um God, the first I looked up the album that I'm talking about and the first uh review is from Rob like don't really care about that but >> [laughter] >> And that's the [ __ ] like it gets a certain stamp.

[00:34:34]Hold on.

[00:34:37]Is this is this the collective album?

[00:34:40]It this is the Kim Gordon song but I want to make sure it's the song that I'm referencing. Okay.

[00:34:48]Yeah, okay. Hold on.

[00:34:51]Let's take it back up a little bit.

[00:34:54]Let me turn that up.

[00:35:20]>> [laughter] >> Isn't she from Sonic Youth?

[00:35:27]Yeah.

[00:35:29]How old is she again?

[00:35:31]72.

[00:35:33]Is that it's always fire cuz she's 72, right? And she's white?

[00:35:36]>> I'm supposed to think that.

[00:35:38]I guess cuz she got a new team of producers and they they worked with whoever the [ __ ] but now they're working with this old white lady I'm supposed to be moved.

[00:35:49]I don't like it. Gate We need to bring gatekeeping back. You know what I'm saying?

[00:35:53]Look I see it in your soul. This is eating you up. You hate this [ __ ] so much.

[00:35:58]>> ONE. YOU KNOW YOU YOU WOULD not something in you.

[00:36:01]This is this is not this is not my usual it's not my usual and honestly it's only because I'll give these lashings to these white women. Sunshine Benzi Never heard of her.

[00:36:14]Hold on. Let me look. I might I might I might have Is this a younger younger woman? Uh this is a younger white woman. Let me see what she looks like.

[00:36:23]Um Oh, I have seen her before but I've never clicked play on anything because it just feels like I shouldn't. Yeah.

[00:36:31]That girl works at the Galla Tree and she goes home to her uh you know what I'm not going to do that.

[00:36:41]Where she Where she from? She don't need to be rapping. She don't >> Where she from?

[00:36:46]Oh, she from Chicago. Yeah.

[00:36:49]Hey man, it's I think we need to bring back gatekeeping um and I I I'll end this whole conversation with this and we'll get to talking about some good music aka your music, you know? But I I'll end this actually with another New York compliment and me actually being honest about the south.

[00:37:06]The one thing you guys have over us is the So for example, I'll speak strictly about Jacksonville, Florida.

[00:37:11]You know the term you say like New York is a melting pot.

[00:37:14]Jacksonville not a melting pot.

[00:37:17]Jacksonville is black American, white American and you got some little things mixed in between but it's mostly black white American. Up there y'all [ __ ] got every goddamn black, every white, every Asian, every everything you could think about. Every just everything. And it's like I say that to say I feel like that's why when you see like the artsy scene in New York it's so much talent coming out because you guys are interacting with just so many different cultures and so many different types of people where like the black people down here they you go to the clubs down here they playing songs from 2007 and and back. It's like oh, here go Hot Boys. Oh, here go Boosie. Here go Webbie. Like if you don't play like freaking Boosie in a Jacksonville club they they might they might murder the DJ. Like they might kill that [ __ ] like on the spot. So in New York I hear that like the clubs are a little bit You got all different you got the after beat club. You got the this club and that club. Jacksonville is very just like stagnant and that's why you don't see that's why you've never heard of too many artsy people coming out of Jacksonville, Florida. You know what I'm saying? The only the only like different type of artist we have coming out right now is Sailor. You know who that is?

[00:38:33]Mhm. Only artist >> from Jacksonville? We we went to middle school together. So yeah, she from she from Jacksonville. So that's the only different type and me and her went to an art school. So all the people that's coming out are is from that art school.

[00:38:44]So it's it's very one type of thing where New York y'all got a lot going on and I get like y'all black people like I said more open-minded than us. Black people down here is like we ain't trying to listen to that weird [ __ ] That's that's that'll be the response if they you know? So yeah.

[00:38:57]>> [laughter] >> Yeah, and I feel I didn't go to music school or art school. So I always it I definitely just am inspired by [ __ ] around me always trying things.

[00:39:06]Mhm. Uh so that totally makes sense like having someone who went to you know at least Sailor went somewhere where they're cultivating her her curiosity and need for creativity. Even though that can be cultivated in other ways outside of school of course but I I I I do think New York lends itself to like there's just ample opportunity to get in the mix with something other than what you're used to. All of the all of the like the talented artsy people know each other like freaking uh Do you do you know Tyriq Withers is?

[00:39:40]That's the after >> Yeah. Yeah. Another Jacksonville like artsy [ __ ] or whatever. You know what I'm saying? So like all it's like it's like probably about 150 artsy [ __ ] in Jacksonville. They all know each other.

[00:39:54]So where I feel like in New York you you it's artsy pockets you probably don't even know about like or you don't even know. You know what I'm saying?

[00:40:00]Where like in Jacksonville, if you in the artsy, you know this person. You know what I'm saying? You know this person. So I think that's so cool about New York that y'all got that with for like black people specifically cuz I like to see black people do different things genuinely and you know like not everybody got to be a gangster rapper, you know? Not everybody got to do that.

[00:40:18]Yeah, and that's why I that's why I kind of love like Uptown Harlem rap when I think about what that looks like. Yesterday we were talking about gangster [ __ ] too, but they were also talking about getting fly and I feel like that's so New York specific. Like name we're name dropping labels and not in a no cuz like the girl rappers do it, too, of course, but it's like [ __ ] talking about their Stacy Adams and [ __ ] like that. Something so flossy about that. I I I mean Cam'ron had people wearing pink, you know?

[00:40:46]>> Yeah, literally. Like that was a whole that was like a big deal.

[00:40:50]So you know.

[00:40:51]>> In the early 2000s, which is crazy, but So you know, shout out to New York. I hate New York, but shout out to New York. Shout out to New York.

[00:40:56]>> [laughter] >> Shout out to New York.

[00:40:58]Um, on to one of New York's greatest uh inventions, uh you.

[00:41:03]What part of New York you from?

[00:41:05]I'm from the Bronx. Got you. That's crazy.

[00:41:07]Okay, we went 50 minutes you haven't said that. That's so surprising. I'm surprised you haven't blurted out where you [laughter] What borough you from? That's crazy.

[00:41:14]>> the Bronx. I'm from the Bronx.

[00:41:16]No, I'm from a place in the Bronx called Co-op City. It's pretty north.

[00:41:20]Um, it's Um, it's like residential for the city for the city. Like you you have to take a bus to the last stop of the five train.

[00:41:32]But um, my parents had a car, for example, and the school that I went to was across the street from my building.

[00:41:37]So it was like a very quiet community, but I also did like after school programs and I was in dance teams and I was like it was a super creative uh neighborhood and um then I went to school in Westchester. My parents got fell into some money and got a house and we moved to Westchester and I'm at my best friends there and I went there for high school and then I moved back into the city and have been in moved back to the Bronx for a little bit, had a fire. There was there's so many fires in the Bronx that happen all the time. Um, so then I moved to Brooklyn and now I'm in Brooklyn, but I I'm thinking about moving back to the Bronx, funnily enough.

[00:42:17]Um, yeah.

[00:42:19]Shout out to the Bronx. They they they they birthed a super duper gifted person. You play the drums, which I find interesting because do you feel like you knowing how to play the drums do you have a different sense of rhythm?

[00:42:32]Um Cuz you are the beat. Like if you're playing the drums like in a band or anywhere like you if you mess up like everything's kind of falling apart. Like you are kind of the backbone.

[00:42:43]>> in a band. I I haven't played the drums not for fun in so long. Just like making solo music and kind of moving towards music production more, I definitely think it lent itself to how I build beats and what I think about rhythmically. Um yeah, I'm obsessed with like coming up with patterns and how to it is definitely the heartbeat of a song and like I I'm more interested in making a beat that like thumps than like getting synth-y technical. That thumps This is something I actually wish I were better at. I feel like because I'm so stuck in drums, sometimes I wish I like maybe if I took up piano first like that could be like I would I wonder what my music would sound like, but it definitely is more like hard hitting cuz I just love the drums so much. You should freaking pick up piano. Like I'm actually picking up guitar. You really? Yeah, um that's just like I've always like kind of played it for fun and I'm like formally taking lessons and my brother actually taught himself guitar and he's just like really good at it. So he uh will play me notes and like teach me a little bit, but I'm also in these lessons. I'm just like trying to like expand my musicality cuz it is like so drum focused.

[00:44:00]>> Gosh. [snorts] But it like I don't want to lose that, but I'm just curious like melodic people that are more like melodic. Like people call drummers like dumb musicians cuz you don't read music. You do you do read music to play the drums, but you don't have to read music >> Sure.

[00:44:14]>> the same.

[00:44:15]So I think that's really cool. I envy I envy uh drum players and guitar players.

[00:44:21]Drum players because when I went to this art school, I was I would think I was going to go there play like percussion.

[00:44:27]I'm like I'm black. It's not many black people here. They told my black ass nope and I started playing trombone. So Oh.

[00:44:34]That's the only thing I know how to do, but I took guitar lessons and I envy guitar players because it's I don't I couldn't get the frets down and have where to put my finger at. And the client that I'm seeing in a few hours, he brought his guitar last week and he's a black 15-year-old kid and he just he's going crazy. I'm like he had the amp I let him hook the amp up. He's going nuts and I'm like yeah.

[00:44:56]I'm jealous of you.

[00:44:56]>> It's I feel like the way the brain is set up, I think why I'm more interested in guitar at this moment is because it's like anti-rhythmic. Like you don't you don't you don't play a guitar to sound like a metronome at all.

[00:45:11]>> Yeah. And it's so like it really just the music really does come from the spirit and you can rush the beat, you can slow down the beat. I mean you can do that in drums, too, but there's always a little bit of a metronome happening. You're the timekeeper.

[00:45:23]Whereas a a guitar like playing guitar, you're not thinking about time at all and I think that is just like it's really crazy when I when I listen to guitar music and I'm like how in the hell like I I recently went to Do you know who Mansur Brown is?

[00:45:38]I don't. He's my I can actually talk about Mansur Brown cuz his guitar playing is [ __ ] insane.

[00:45:43]>> Okay. He's a British guitarist. He um has a really sick album you should check out. Uh, he what's the word?

[00:45:51]I I realized he's been making music for so long that I forgot he put out a project with um this drummer Yussef Dayes. I believe me Mansur Brown and How do you spell Mansur?

[00:46:03]M a n s u r Brown.

[00:46:07]I see you.

[00:46:09]Yusuf Dayes.

[00:46:12]Okay. Yes, he put out an album last year.

[00:46:15]Yeah, he he also put something out under this group Alfa Anyway, I bring him up because watching him I went to his concert a couple weeks ago when I was in London and that was my >> I know Alfa Mist. That's that he's in that group? Yeah.

[00:46:30]>> Oh, okay. So I know what that is. I do know Alfa Mist is. Okay. Okay, got you.

[00:46:33]>> know the like just like the the airy guitar sounds >> Yes. But just watching him do that live was This album is really good. It's a album is a really good album. Yes. Yes.

[00:46:43]>> He's nuts. He's nuts.

[00:46:45]>> Yeah, no, he's crazy. Okay. Watching him play, I'm like that and he's like very religious, very spiritual guy and he's like and you can hear he acknowledges that that's God. Okay. Just sending him and different from drums like there's no Yeah, there's no like time. Like you can he could be going on for one piece for five to seven minutes and just like keep going and keep going. It's I don't know.

[00:47:09]It's really beautiful. So I'm interested. I'm trying to see where that takes my production. It always ends up going back to production, too.

[00:47:17]Your production is so unique because this is a compliment. This might sound crazy, but your production is like it sounds disturbed.

[00:47:25]Like >> [laughter] >> Yeah, that is a great compliment. Okay, you like it. Okay. Okay. I hope I hope you did. It's it's feels disturbed sometimes where it's like man, I would love to see like you score like a thriller.

[00:47:38]I would love to score a thriller. That is a dream of mine. I wanted I I love spooky [ __ ] I love scary movies. I love the score be so important and I feel like the scoring a thriller is so specifically like interesting to me because it it you get a chance to be creepy. It doesn't have to be pretty. It could be really weird and I would love the So yeah, thank you. That is the highest compliment.

[00:48:06]>> cool if right now if I was like, you know, my my uncle is uh his you know what I'm saying? My uncle is uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh You looking for Jordan? My my uncle is uh uh Jordan Peele. You know, if you want to get in contact with him, you know. I mean you know that's exactly That's a dream, Jordan. If you end up if this comes off across your algorithm and you like spooky, >> [laughter] >> ethereal, hard hitting, I got you. I'm the girl for you. You know who else is a great producer who you work with? 454.

[00:48:34]He produced he produced uh Pool of Pool of Life, right?

[00:48:38]That song it sounds like a Japanese video game. Like it sounds really cool.

[00:48:42]Uh, and it's interesting because I I know you were I seen an interview. I should have wrote who did the interview with you, but you they were interviewing you about um Uh, what's the intro to the Purity album?

[00:48:54]To death? To death. You were talking about how some of the vocals just on the album is pitched up. And you were saying like how 454 pitches up his vocals. And a little quick history lesson, did you know that's like Florida stuff? Did you know that? OD. Yeah, that's Okay. I I I didn't know if you knew. I didn't know that was my sword and a [ __ ] Okay, got you. Got you. Got you. Between him and Ionte when they do it and just the the way in which they do it is and it's it's not only pitched up, it's sped up a little bit. Like so that's Florida specific.

[00:49:22]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know if you Yeah, that that and the way you did it, I feel like was different than how I've ever heard it done. It's I don't know. You was it was pitched in a very specific way. I've been trying to like talk about like I I I've cuz I I want to talk about Purity for like 14 hours. I love this album so much. So, I should have probably started off with this cuz like I want to start with automatic.

[00:49:44]Because this is another thing This is a compli- All right, this is It's not compliment, it's just comparison rather. Cuz I can't say I'm a huge fan of this person's music, but you sound like somebody the way you're pronouncing your words on there. I don't know if you've ever [laughter] You sound like a woman version of Xavier Solely Based.

[00:50:06]Okay, you know what? I need to sit another New York-based artist uh that I need to tap into cuz I'm only hearing amazing amazing things about Xavier Solely Based.

[00:50:16]That This put the battery in my back.

[00:50:18]The way It's only on that song though.

[00:50:19]You never ever like It's like y'all are pronouncing y'all words like the way you're like It's the way you say It's automatic.

[00:50:27]Like the way you just sound just like him. And it's like, "Yo."

[00:50:31]It's like in that video, I think that video may be the coolest an artist has ever looked like in the history of music videos. The way like it stutters at the beginning, the way you're just like you're swagging on it, like you folded your arms at the end, and you did I'm like, "Is this the coolest anybody has ever looked?" This is so cool. Nah, I make you the goat.

[00:50:54]Nicholas Standard Briggs, we locking on a music video. That was That was such a fun video. He um Yeah, he is [ __ ] on that intro part.

[00:51:04]That intro part I don't know. When I saw the the rough cut, I was like, "Oh, he snapped it. Okay. [laughter] Okay." No, that Like I said, I I feel like I'm I'm just like just riding your meat at this point, but like that video is so cool.

[00:51:18]I'm like, "Yo, you look so cool in that video. The video's cool. The song is perfect." Freaking Picture This is That was the first song I heard from this album, and I'm just like, "What is this?" Like the way the way Tony is making the beat, like the way you're higher pitched, you you just sound like I don't know. Like usually I have words to say. You sound like the I don't know what you sound like. Like this is different. Like >> That's period. Yeah, you know like I can't even compare it to anything. Like it's you It's This album exists in its own universe.

[00:51:50]There's albums that I feel like I'm like, "Oh, this exists in like the universe of freaking Toni Braxton." This sounds like something Toni Braxton would have made if this if she was 15 years younger. This sounds like an album I don't nobody would have made. Like from the production that Tony gave you, from the way that you're singing, your songwriting, I don't know what to compare this to. And I And I love to like be like, "Man, this reminds me of this." And it kind of frustrates me. I'm like, "Why is this so unique?" This is so unique.

[00:52:17]>> Not to get A LITTLE MAD. YEAH, I'M GETTING A LITTLE MAD.

[00:52:19]>> [laughter] >> GETTING A LITTLE MAD. BUT YOU'RE SO UNIQUE. It's amazing.

[00:52:23]Thank you. I I I super appreciate that, and I feel so grateful for Tony for like also just being such a can- like a perfect canvas for that. Cuz we when we were making that project, I had I I hadn't done another collaboration besides with my friend Lorraine. And I Both those collabs happened in the same year. But prior to that, it was even the music that I make, it it's a collaboration within myself cuz I have to wear the production hat and then the songwriter hat. So, to do that with someone who I was willing to be like, "All right, they're going to do the production hat." But knowing the artists that he was used to working with and his background, I wasn't all the way sure if he was going to have the like patience to to Just Just follow me here. But he was so game, and it worked out so well because I don't know, we we have a really great musical chemistry for sure. Like all those beats that he We sat and made everything together. He didn't show me like, "All right, I just made this beat." Like we It was extremely collaborative, so it fit so well. So, thank you. I'm glad you brought good energy. Crazy. Like I said, Picture This is just like It's like your voice >> [singing] >> It's It's like it's R&B, but it's not R&B. It's like I don't know. It's like >> I'm still figuring out what I am. You You know what this is This is uh This feels like if freaking Amerie just went experimental.

[00:53:45]>> [laughter] >> That's the best way I can explain this.

[00:53:48]I'll take it. I love Amerie's first album. It's like one of my favorite albums of all time. So, this feels like if Amerie went experimental.

[00:53:54]And um I I hope you don't stop going left. Like I actually like that if Like I don't know what to expect when I hear a new album from you. It's like This sounds way different than the last one, and this doesn't sound like It's like you're You're very unpredictable when it comes to music, I feel like, you know?

[00:54:10]That's cool. Actually, though. Yeah, I I I don't I don't ever want to like I mean, maybe there'll be a point where people like, "Got you. We know what's coming." But >> [laughter] >> so far like the whole point of what I'm doing and what keeps me wanting to do cuz I don't know either. I'm lucky to just like making it, and it feels good.

[00:54:29]All right, cool. Um That kind of like working on the next project has There was a point where because I was like, "All right, people are maybe starting to expect this." It kind of put me in like a I hit a plateau of making stuff, and now I think I'm back to like I I'm I have to turn it back to me, and like the whole point of what I'm doing is to like within my own curiosity of myself. So, yeah. Thank you. No, for sure. I can't I can't wait to hear It's interesting the way you put it that you're like collabing with yourself. Cuz you're It's like the producer collabing with the songwriter, also collabing with the singer, you know? Cuz you also got to get put the vocals on the track. So, I think you're doing a good job uh collabing with these three people in your brain. You're You're going insane, for sure. I am quite disturbed. YOU WERE NOT WRONG.

[00:55:16]>> [laughter] >> THAT IS HILARIOUS. NO, LIKE YOUR YOUR production is It's I don't know. It just Something feels [clears throat] like this should be in a Jordan Peele or some type of thriller film, you know? So, I love that. I love that. Um Before Before we get out of here, I do want to ask you about something that you're wrapping around your fingers. Were those wired headphones?

[00:55:36]Oh, the What was it?

[00:55:40]Was I just playing with something? I'm fidgeting.

[00:55:41]>> It was like a It looked like wire Do you use wired headphones? Yeah, I do. Can you Can you explain why? Cuz I do too, but it's probably not for the same reason. They're That That's what it was.

[00:55:49]Yeah, um first of all, I lose I don't have a ringtone, so I lose my phone several times a day. Having wired headphones like a little leash.

[00:56:00]That's the practical reason. The second is like I got tired of like I I can't fall asleep on the plane with AirPods because they're falling out. I got to look for AirPods. It's ridiculous. I think the sound quality is also better. I like that I can plug it into the laptop and like record a demo and just like I don't know. Bluetooth Some about it Some about it I just don't trust. But what's your reason? Well, sounds like it's kind of the reason that you were about to get into, that about not trusting it.

[00:56:28]Yeah, there's a latency. There's uh Not even on like a like a super deep way. I just don't trust it to do what it needs to do. Like connection right there.

[00:56:37]>> Yeah, for sure. For sure. See, now you're Now you're going to make me sound like Alex Jones or somebody right now.

[00:56:42]But um I'm >> [laughter] >> uh I I I I think it's frying our brains.

[00:56:46]I'm not going to lie. Can I give you my conspiracy theory? My conspiracy theory I I don't want to sound like freaking 5G cause COVID cuz that's not where I'm going with this. But I do think >> some 5G cause COVID homies.

[00:56:57]>> [laughter] >> I'm not going there with it, but I do think we may be around too much radiation.

[00:57:05]I think Cuz you got to think about it. I always ask people, "What do you think 50 years from now people are going to be like, 'We shouldn't have been doing that.'" The same way they were like with lead paint, and they were breathing in that. That wasn't good. The same way they found out like, "Hey, you probably shouldn't be like putting like babies by active microwaves and stuff like that."

[00:57:21]Uh Did you know men aren't supposed to put laptops on their laps? That's like a scientific thing. Like stuff like that.

[00:57:27]I always wonder like What are we supposed to be in hot tubs for more than 15 minutes?

[00:57:30]>> You know? I always >> Everything that I'm using right now is connected [clears throat] to something, actually. Like >> You see him? There you go. God, I'm like you're connected to speakers.

[00:57:38]Uh nothing is wireless at the moment.

[00:57:40]It's one of those things where I think it's uh I think it's called like EFT or E- EFT, I think it's what it's called, it which is what like AirPods and like these type of air uh these type of headphones they uh emit. And scientists don't know if that rated if that uh if that like radiation is harmful or not.

[00:57:58]It's very inconclusive evidence on it.

[00:58:00]So, I am one of those people where I'm like, "You know what? I feel like we shouldn't be using these too much." And like it's like I got my AirPods. Right now I'm literally sitting by a Wi-Fi box. Uh I got It's just so much radiation. It just like this feels like this shouldn't I should be getting radiation from the sun and my vitamin D. And I don't know if we should be getting all this radiation, but maybe I sound like crazy Alex Jones right now. I don't know. No, I was I live by Prospect Park in Brooklyn, and during COVID, I was just going to the park a bunch, and I I remember like listening to music at this the There's several lawns in Prospect Park. I was on one lawn, and this guy comes up to me, and he's like, "You know, we are currently in the best lawn with the least the least radiation." He had all these gadgets, and he had this one big black box that like did like as he was walking, it was beeping like louder and quieter. And he was like, "Yeah, this spot right here is like you should come here once a day, take your shoes off, stand here. This is where like it'll deplete all the radiation within your body." And like I know I didn't get his contact, but it it was super uh it really stuck with me cuz he was he was pretty much saying like we're outside within these trees, and even in the park, there are high radiation zones. But Prospect Park, this lawn has the the least radiation, and everybody like you somehow came and sat in the least radiation zone. I was like, "Thank you, kind sir, with this strange black box." But I definitely believe in that [ __ ] Can I tell you why I'm the problem also?

[00:59:27]>> [laughter] >> Yeah. Cuz I hear that story, and I say, "Boy, that [ __ ] crazy."

[00:59:31]And that's why we didn't exchange contacts, but I'm not you know, you're giving me something practical to take with me. What what is the the the net loss if I do come here every day?

[00:59:41]Appreciate appreciate appreciate I'm only going to be touching grass. I don't think there's anything that I could lose by doing this.

[00:59:49]>> Yeah, no, you're not wrong. Like I said >> crazy at this point like [ __ ] is like truth be stranger than fiction. So >> That's a fact. That's a fact.

[00:59:58]>> that's where we're at. He might be he might be better off than us. I don't own a microwave. I haven't owned a microwave in years. It it is a I do have a little bit of that. It it is something like something is a little bit off.

[01:00:10]Like and then Bluetooth should be like you it's it's I feel like it's made to like keep having to replace too like It's just something's not right about it all. Let's go. We're in a conspiracy theory battle. Let's go. People going to think we're nuts. I love it. [laughter] I love it. I am. I love it.

[01:00:25]Um well be be well before we get out of here, I do want to say if you have any last words because I'm super stoked to talk [ __ ] about people when we end this recording. [laughter] No, let's wrap this up. Let's wrap this [ __ ] up.

[01:00:40]No last words. This is really great.

[01:00:41]Thank you for taking the time to to know me and appreciate anyone who listens to my music and supports my music and is along with me on this journey of self-discovery and self-expression. You You know what? I I I'll end it. Can I I always let people end it, but I kind of want to end it with something cuz I feel like a lot of white people interview you guys. When I say you guys, I mean just kind of like the artsy collective from like New York and places of that sort. And I feel like they interview you guys like I don't know. It's weird. They don't talk to you guys like humans. I don't know if you've ever been interviewed by a white person where you felt like you weren't talk It's just like oh my gosh, this art. It's like they're phoning over you guys be like I wanted to connect with you on a human level, you know, rather if we're [ __ ] on DMV or rather You didn't say it on camera, so you have So nobody has no clue I'm talking about.

[01:01:27]>> [laughter] >> I love that you missed that one. I got DMV HOMIES OUT HERE.

[01:01:31]DON'T GET ME IN TROUBLE.

[01:01:34]IT WAS ME GUYS. I WAS [ __ ] ON DMV.

[01:01:36]But no, like rather if it's whatever like we talking about New York, we talking about drumming. I don't know. I just wanted to connect with you on a human level rather than connecting with you on just a I don't know how to put it, but it's like they they they talk to you guys just like I don't know. It's like they It's like talk to them like you talk to your friends almost, you know? I don't feel like they talk to you guys like that if that makes any sense. I don't know how to put it.

[01:01:58]No, yeah. I've definitely had interviews where it feels a bit like you A you didn't do any research on me at all. And if you did it, that's fine.

[01:02:06]That's a lot of the time the point of an interview, but it also it's the worst when there's so much assumption made about who I am as an artist because of the scene of people I'm with and the friends I hang out with like I like to be I I like interviews, but there is a a threshold cuz sometimes it's like the interview isn't actually about me. It's it's to like have a name on These are people that we've talked to who are associated with me. Got you. Got you.

[01:02:30]Well, hopefully you hopefully you were entertained and liked this interview.

[01:02:35]Um I appreciate everybody I appreciate your platform and I love the the artists that you reach out to and just like I mean you built this yourself, so that's already a plus for me. Yeah, for sure.

[01:02:43]Like I said, when I met when I met you for those of you watching, I met her in Gainesville the other week. I introduced myself. She looked at me like who the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] why is he talking to me?

[01:02:52]No, she didn't do that.

[01:02:54]>> [laughter] >> She was very nice. She was very nice.

[01:02:56]But no, for everybody watching, I appreciate you guys. Until next time. I say what I mean. I mean what I say.

[01:03:01]Haters going to hate. Players going to play. And you guys holler at your boy.