AXIS SHOWDOWN IN HAWAII

[00:00:00][music] Look at how big his feet are.

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[00:00:08]>> I know who I married. Sometimes I remind myself that like that I picked him.

[00:00:13]>> This is the Peak Thrive podcast. Raw, real, built for western hunters. All right, welcome back to the Thrive Podcast. Today is another live from the hunt episode and I am lucky enough to be hanging out again finally with one of my favorite humans on the planet. It's been a year since we've been together, but it feels like yesterday after, you know, we've gotten How many days has it been?

[00:00:35]Uh, >> since we four days and we still got about five more to go, so I'm sitting here with James Visser.

[00:00:43]>> Yeah.

[00:00:43]>> From Bo Disciples. We met for the first time in Mexico last year. We tend to be on these exotic trips together as a theme, right?

[00:00:52]>> Look at that, dude. Mexico down here.

[00:00:54]And what's crazy is like year to the date apart.

[00:00:57]>> I know. Oh, I didn't even think about that. We're always meeting in exotic places.

[00:01:00]>> Yeah. So, got to love it.

[00:01:02]>> We met in Mexico on a tricer trip.

[00:01:05]>> Yeah. And we're filming off a Tricer right now.

[00:01:07]>> We're on a Traer tripod right now.

[00:01:08]>> The best in the game. I've been glassing with yours all weekend. I know all week.

[00:01:12]You took it from me.

[00:01:13]>> I've been freaking finding deer like crazy with that thing.

[00:01:16]>> But seriously, one thing I want to say about the tripod is you have that 360 mount on there and I have never had one of those. I I saw it online and I was like other guys using it and I was like I don't I don't know that that's for me.

[00:01:28]And then you had it and I was like I'll try it and then as soon as I tried it I went I'm never not using >> the rotation.

[00:01:33]>> I just sit there all day and just >> you just and then you raise it up and you go back >> the grid capabilities >> so good >> especially with the ball head >> is so good. So yeah, we met on that tricer trip and then went our separate ways. But that's my favorite type of friendships. You know I always say I'm not I'm not the type of friend that's like a pen pal. You know what I mean?

[00:01:51]I'm not going to text people all the time. I'm not going to be on the phone with you all the time, but I'm I I love when you just link up with people and you know when you're there in person, it's going to be like the best vibe.

[00:02:01]That's I love that. And I was like, you and me, we've talked like maybe one time since until we're here, you know?

[00:02:06]>> Yeah. So, here we are. We're in Hawaii.

[00:02:08]We're axis hunting.

[00:02:09]>> Mhm.

[00:02:10]>> So, about 3 weeks ago, um when I was getting ready to come on this hunt, we're kind of getting our last minute things together. I'm working out with my son and he caused me to tear my quad and I had quad repair surgery last year.

[00:02:24]>> Right before the tricer trip or maybe it was after right after right before that was right before and cuz I was barely walking.

[00:02:30]>> You were barely walking. Yeah.

[00:02:31]>> So anyway, I had that last year and then this year I'm working out with my son again. This is what happens when you're 60 and you got a 16-year-old son. It's a problem. And it, you know, I'm starting to have this recurring problem.

[00:02:41]>> Yeah. So now we're in the gym and he's maxing out and I'm trying to show him that dad still got it. And so he does a certain he does 200 whatever he does and then I have to go up from that. Of course.

[00:02:51]>> Yeah, of course you do.

[00:02:52]>> Well then I tear my rotator cuff.

[00:02:54]>> So >> I've got a torn rotator cuff. I I'm pretty good except if I try to lift my arm or try to draw my bow.

[00:03:00]>> So I went to the elk immersion elkshave immersion camp last week. I was there for a week with Josh Jones at his shop in Spokane.

[00:03:08]>> Good guy. I know him well. I know him possibly better than anybody.

[00:03:12]>> I love Josh. Not as much as I love you.

[00:03:14]Sorry, Josh. But um >> I do. I do love him. That goofy big bastard, you know, >> the mohawk. The guy 40-year-old Mohawk.

[00:03:22]You got to love it.

[00:03:23]>> Yeah. Like you got to, dude. What a guy.

[00:03:25]>> And uh so I go there and he sets me up with a new bow.

[00:03:28]>> Yeah.

[00:03:28]>> Um >> Matthews Arc.

[00:03:30]>> Got the brand new Matthews Arc because I had to go down to draw length cuz I switched to a mouth tap. I've only shot this thing about 25 or 30 shots with this mouth tap. So, I'm getting used to it still. It is uh it is not as easy as it seems.

[00:03:44]>> Well, I don't think it seemed easy.

[00:03:45]Yeah.

[00:03:46]>> The the drawing part is a lot easier than I thought it would be. I thought it would be a struggle.

[00:03:49]>> It's the release that stuff, huh?

[00:03:51]>> It's the rel but it it's more of the lining up >> because when you draw with here, you got an anchor point here with this mouth.

[00:03:56]You're kind of can be all over. So, getting your peep centered um really I heard you talking about it when you were doing your bow instruction yesterday and I kind of got a little more into it.

[00:04:06]>> Yeah. Getting my peep really lined up with the housing on my site.

[00:04:10]>> Super important.

[00:04:10]>> Really important with this mouse tag.

[00:04:12]>> Yeah, I think that's one of the most commonly missed things on form is people a lot of times I think run peeps that are way too big which then your your ring to ring looks like this. So your you have a lot of float in there.

[00:04:25]>> Well that's I do have a little bit of that.

[00:04:26]>> Yeah. See, so but the fact that you when you when you zoned in on that you're >> got better got better. I've been shooting I have not I went out into the field once. so far, but there was no deer. It's really going to be a miracle if I can kill a deer with this bow with a mouth tap because these these deer are freaking swished on. We'll get to that.

[00:04:48]>> They're like a the deer here remind me a lot of an impala.

[00:04:51]>> Like they're very very fast, very jumpy.

[00:04:53]I don't know if you've had a chance to hunt an impala with a bow, but they're very jumpy. And that's how these these are. They're just super fast, super twitchy, but from what I understand, their main prey when they're in Asia or wherever they're originate is like tigers and stuff. So, they're naturally just really twitchy and turned on.

[00:05:12]>> So, it is going to be quite a challenge to get the bow drawn back with this mouth tab. Although, I'm pushing the bow forward versus pulling it back.

[00:05:22]>> I don't know that the movement is going to be any more.

[00:05:25]>> It's actually I think is less. It may be cuz >> you're you're going like this versus like two things moving. So I actually think movement wise it's a little bit less. Uh your bow of course will be slower. Your bow is going to be about the same speed as Brianna's. So that you know that's not great for >> going to be even slower. What is she pulling right now?

[00:05:43]>> Uh she is 25 in draw 48 lb.

[00:05:46]>> Oh pretty close.

[00:05:47]>> Pretty close.

[00:05:48]>> So my problem is I only really am my killing distance is about 25 at this point. I think I'm going to be able to stretch it out eventually, but right now as fresh as this injury is, >> so anyway, I'm going to try it. So, I >> at the water holes, you can get a shot that close.

[00:06:04]>> So, I'm going to probably the spot and style game is probably out for me unless I just go to do it with you or film or something.

[00:06:10]>> Yeah.

[00:06:10]>> But to actually pull the bow back, I'm going to try to set water and try to get it done there.

[00:06:14]>> I would.

[00:06:14]>> So, we'll see what happens over the next few days. But, I'm getting ready to jump in. So, that's enough about that. We've been here four days. He's been getting after like this boy's been pounding the hills.

[00:06:22]>> He's been everywhere on this place. This is a big ranch.

[00:06:25]>> Yeah. Huge. I did not think it would be this big. I really didn't.

[00:06:28]>> I didn't either. And >> I'm shocked by the amount of terrain and the amount of deer.

[00:06:32]>> The deer.

[00:06:33]>> Yeah.

[00:06:33]>> I mean, the first day we got here, we went down and we were glassing and right about dark. Everything just starts moving like the brush is moving, right?

[00:06:43]>> And we're looking down, here's a group of hundred.

[00:06:45]>> That's crazy.

[00:06:45]>> We look over there, group of 50. We look over, here's a group of 75. These islands where these deer are, they're getting destroyed. And so there's a real conservation story here that doesn't get talked about enough. They are literally obliterating the vegetation.

[00:06:58]>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:59]>> It's unbelievable to see how much how many tracks and I'm not exaggerating.

[00:07:04]You can't hardly take a step with your foot and not step in a deer track.

[00:07:07]>> No. And the dude the trails are like highways. There's so much silt or it it's just looks like a like you're in a sand dune and someone walked the same path a million times. That's what the trails look like. To your point, there's certain trees you walk through. I can't remember the name of them, but they'll be eaten all the way up to where the deer are on their feet. I saw one doing it the other day through the glass.

[00:07:26]Stand on their hind feet and they're nibbling off the off the trees. So, yeah, it's actually pretty crazy. When we flew over here, we had a conversation with a local guy and he was like, "Yeah, thank you. Thank you guys so much for coming and kill as many deer as you can.

[00:07:40]We really appreciate it. We need people to kill these deer and the meat's great." and he was just telling me like he was just kept thanking us for coming and giving it a shot hunting. And uh from a hunting perspective, it's actually interesting because because it's an invasive species and they're trying to knock them down. And on this particular hunt we're doing with hooves, horns, hideaways, you can actually shoot unlimited doe's, right? Which is so cool.

[00:08:04]>> So it sounds cool.

[00:08:05]>> It sounds cool.

[00:08:06]>> But the reality everybody's like, "Oh man, I could come over here and I could get a bunch of doese's and take back this incredible axis meat." Well, let me tell you. Good luck getting one.

[00:08:14]>> Yeah, good luck. I think them doe's are somewhat more switched on than the bucks, >> bro. It's crazy. So, yeah, it's interesting because I'm almost come into it a little more aggressive than I would normally be on a hunt as far as my shooting goes. Like shots that there's no way I would take on like a mu deer.

[00:08:29]And it's not that I don't respect the animal less than a muy or a elk or something like that. It's just, you know, the because they really want want to knock down the population and you know, they need to. It's not a want, it's a need, right? you're kind of like taking shots that are a little like the other day I shot through this tiny tiny window and I was like I think it'll clear, you know, and I just gave it a shot and didn't. But I think you almost have more freedom huntingwise and maybe can test yourself a little more um behind the bow than you would on a on a you know a different type of hunt. So it's interesting in a lot of ways. It's I mean if you think about it, it's like shooting carp with with with bow fishing equipment. That's what it is.

[00:09:13]here.

[00:09:20]>> I tried like kind of a tough shot at a carp. No one's going to be like, "Oh, that's you shouldn't do that." But for some reason on a deer, they do. You know what I mean? Like, so I don't know. I think it's awesome. I will say I have had a blast. Like you said, I've been pounding the mountains and working really, really hard. This reminds me of some big country Arizona coups deer hunt is really a lot what it's like. You're covering tons of elevation glassing a ton doing stocks. But the difference is because there's so many deer and you can shoot does doe's or bucks. Your opportunity to do stocks and get reps in is through the roof. You you get freaking 5 years of mu deer hunting or cous deer hunting experience in a week here. It's crazy. So, uh everything about it I love. The terrain's awesome.

[00:10:04]It has been toasty. I'm glad I came. I definitely will be coming back. Access deer hunting is is hard, man. And I like hard. Like I I'm I'm that type of lunatic where for some reason like >> I love the OTC unit and the bull like a tough tough tag, you know? Like >> I like the great tags, too. I've been fortunate to have some pretty premium tags in my lifetime, but I something about those just gutter tags. And that's what this is. This is a grinder. You've been primarily um spoton dog obviously.

[00:10:37]>> Yeah.

[00:10:38]>> But you are kind of hanging out near the water's a premium here.

[00:10:42]>> So we're kind of zeroing in on where where water is reasonably close to where the deer are hanging.

[00:10:48]>> And what I'm not these deer they're just like no other kind of deer. They really they move quick.

[00:10:55]>> They're quick.

[00:10:56]>> They're very quick. So getting in front of them like cutting them off is very difficult. The train is hard like you said >> too. And um they just are so aware of their surroundings. They know they just they're very aware. The wind has been a savior. Moving the trees around kind of like it is now kind of helps with your movement. Obviously >> covers the movement, covers the noise.

[00:11:19]>> Noise. And but when it's calm, we had that one morning. It was probably our toughest challenge morning for you guys.

[00:11:24]Was the calm morning.

[00:11:25]>> Oh, calm is tough. Yeah. I mean, what are you going to do as far as stocks go?

[00:11:29]You're your hands are kind of tied. Wind also tends to be shiftier when it's more mild. And the wind is shifty. Like you'll be up on a glassing knob and it's howling like just nice one direction and then you, you know, go to put a move in, get in the bottom, and it's 180 or whatever. Like it's just, it's tough, man. It's really tough. So, I think anyone, like I said, wanting to test themselves, I I I don't think you can be. This is a lot like Africa. Like when I went and spot and stocked in Africa, same thing. You're getting opportunity after opportunity after opportunity.

[00:11:56]It's like you can hunt something all day basically every day. You can hunt. You could do five stocks in a day, no problem. Or or five moves or sit if you want. Like, you know, Brianna, you know, uh her legs would be getting hammered and so she would she's been still hunting in the morning or spot and stalking with me hitting the hills. But then in the afternoon, you know, when she wants to rest her knees and her legs, she'll sit a blind, which is great. I mean, this trip alone, this is a twoe hunt camp. So, last week we had a three hunters in camp. All three got a deer. They all three got one dough. Uh and and two of them shot them off of water.

[00:12:30]>> Yeah.

[00:12:31]>> One shot at spot and stock. So there's more more than one way to skin a cat.

[00:12:36]And our next week of hunting starts tonight. You guys are >> they just they just arriving today. We got seven this week.

[00:12:42]>> Yeah.

[00:12:42]>> So I do want to say something about this. So you mentioned Hood Horns Hideaways. That's Josh's um Instagram.

[00:12:47]I'll pop it up. And that's kind of he's the one that organizes these trips.

[00:12:50]We're just helping him. We I've helped him market a little bit, helped him reach a few people. But if you're looking for a hunt to kind of improve your skill set, >> especially spot and stock skill set, >> and you just want to get kind of more reps, you'd have to go on five mu deer hunts or maybe more.

[00:13:06]>> Yeah, maybe more >> to get what you could get in a week here, >> literally.

[00:13:09]>> And the cost is, I mean, the barrier to entry is it's not outrageous.

[00:13:13]>> No.

[00:13:14]>> Uh, as far as hunts go and, uh, we're going to be here another week. It's been really fun. And it's really been fun to reconnect with you again. You we have such a good time together. Yeah, >> we go out in the morning for a few hours, you know, two or three hours. You were out a little bit today cuz you you killed.

[00:13:28]>> We'll talk about that just a second.

[00:13:30]>> We kind of take a little break during the day, take a nap if you want, whatever.

[00:13:33]>> You know, I love a midday >> through the heat through the heat of the day. Although you can hunt all day if you really want to look for bed deer and move in on them.

[00:13:39]>> You can.

[00:13:40]>> And then we go out in the evening. So, it's it's a lot more relaxed hunt style.

[00:13:44]Your fitness level, it's not really that important.

[00:13:47]>> No, because you don't have to pound hills.

[00:13:49]>> You can pound hills. If you want to, you can make this seem like you're hunting the Wasach. You know what I mean?

[00:13:54]>> So, >> it felt like I'm hunting Wasach as far as the amount of mountains I'm covering and elevation. It's not really I mean, obviously we're not as high of elevation, but like the amount of elevation is the same. I mean, I've hunted big big country and some giant stuff, you know, 10 11,000 ft huge hills and like really I'm covering probably more up and down here because stuff is freaking steep and all the stuff is like this. So, you got to cover some ground.

[00:14:18]been here. Today is my I want to say my seventh day of hunting. Um like you said, some of the time I've been filming um helping other guys, but it's my seventh day being here. Hunted a fair amount. A lot actually every morning unless I'm, you know, I'm either hunting as a filmer or a hunter, right? So I'm hunting every day. But >> uh my first shot was I think maybe day two, day two or it might have been day three >> and I stocked in me and Brianna, she was filming. ended up getting a shot at 30 yards right above some deer uh stocked in. They were working this trail right in front of me and they had no clue I was there, right? No clue. So, one passes through and I everyone told me they're jumpy so I'm preparing for that.

[00:15:01]One walks through, clears my window and I draw while nothing's in the window and I just hold and I'm like as you know if when one stops in the window I'll let it fly. I'm not going to grunt or anything cuz I don't want to make them nervous.

[00:15:11]So, one walks through, doesn't stop.

[00:15:14]Another one walks through, doesn't stop.

[00:15:15]Third one walks through, stops in my window, right? No clue I'm there 30 yards. Shoot. Miss over it. I watch my arrow go over it and I'm like, "Shit, I maybe I just missed." You know, I don't know. Have to watch the footage. Put the footage in the computer. Deer duck this far before my arrow got there, right? It was gone 30 yards. No clue I'm there.

[00:15:33]Think about that.

[00:15:34]>> Then the next deer I shot at, I figured I'll try a little further shot. Maybe they won't hear the arrow coming or hear the bow go off. So, I stretch it out a little bit. This will be a hot take, but it was uh it was a buck 10. It was a buck 10 across a canyon. And I shoot and the deer's not reacting. I watch the arrow go 70 yards. He's not reacting.

[00:15:53]Then he starts to react. So he ducks, takes a little leap forward in my arrow.

[00:15:58]You see it exactly where the deer's vitals were. It appears in the dirt, but the deer is nowhere to be found. So basically what he's saying guys is this 100yard shot the arrow's on its way and guys this dude can shoot. I mean I've been blown away how good of a shot James is.

[00:16:16]>> Thank you sir.

[00:16:17]>> Anyway he shoots arrow is tracking.

[00:16:20]>> Yeah.

[00:16:20]>> And on camera >> it's on camera. Yeah.

[00:16:22]>> The deer is no longer in frame. The deer is gone >> and the arrow is just getting there.

[00:16:28]>> Yeah. Well, and it lands like because he was in this like it's actually perfect for video because he's standing in this little uh maybe I'll send you the clip so you can put it in here. But you can see like a uh a branch makes like a a a box and I'm holding right basically in the corner of that box is where his vitals are. And when he leaves you see my arrow right there, right there. But the deer's gone, you know. So then I ended up trying another shot at this one was like 80 through a tiny window. This deer was beded so I knew he couldn't jump the string but I couldn't get closer because he was beded looking my direction. He was broadside but looking my way. Uh and I had to try it. I had to try to thread the needle. I know my trajectory really well and I knew it was sort of 50/50. I'm like I'm either going to hit him hope or I'm going to hit a branch and I'm not going to harm him. So I draw back, shoot, hit a tree, right?

[00:17:20]Bounce off a tree. Yeah, he found an arrow, which is crazy. Had the fully deployed beast. It put put a freaking huge gas. I'll put that to I know you got that. We'll put that huge gas.

[00:17:31]>> It's like he's cutting down trees with this. And you and you reused the broadhead.

[00:17:34]>> I reused the broadhead and the arrow was fine. Shout out to Victor. He makes some freaking tough arrows. So, I recovered that. And then today, um Josh and I, you know, we we paired up. It was our first time hunting together. I took him to my some of my breadand butter spots.

[00:17:48]>> He's never been. It was fun.

[00:17:49]>> Did you blindfold him?

[00:17:50]>> Uh no, I don't care. I don't care. He needs to know where they are, right? So, we go out and I told him I was going to hike them, you know? So, I get out there and we go to a glassing knob and we're sitting there for quite a while and we dig up like couple deer, but they're all nothing we wanted to approach. They were just not in great spots. So, we bail off and we find some deer. Long story short, we kind of make a move on a couple, doesn't really work out. We hike up this new glassing knob and then we're glassing and it's it's hot, bro. It's like 8 at this point. It's like the morning's sort of like about done. We're about maybe to head back.

[00:18:21]>> Yeah.

[00:18:22]>> And I glass up a deer just standing under a tree in the shade long ways away. And I'm like, "Dude, what do you think?" Like, "Should we go over there?"

[00:18:31]And we're like, "Yeah, might as well."

[00:18:33]You know? And when we watch one bed up, right? And we have a decent reference on where it is, but it was far to the deer.

[00:18:39]So, we're kind of like, "All right, what's our best move?" Josh, you know, looks at his math and says, "Yeah, we could drive over closer and the the wind will be good." So, we're like, "All right." So, we hump it back to the car, right? Get back to the truck, drive over there, get out. Another big hike. Bunch of It was nasty, too. So, we hike over there, and we get there, and dude, we are right where I mean, right where we think the deer were, and we they're just not there. I mean, the wind's good.

[00:19:05]We're stalking through it, and they're just not there. And we spend probably an hour just picking through everything, and they're just not there. Or they they must have given us the slip, you know.

[00:19:15]We are walking back to the truck. Not even really like we're kind of just humping it back to the truck. You know when you're not really hunting and you're just kind of walking and dude a freaking I hear something to the left and a buck jumps up and runs off. So I'm like dude that was crazy. Like and then I look and I see one stand up in the shade like over to the right. I'm like gosh there's one right here. I had an arrow in and I I range. It was 84. I dial to it. Like I said you're going to be more aggressive out here. It just is what it is. I'm not always flinging these shots. Like I do not normally do this, but because of the style of hunt, >> you got to get carbon in the air, basically.

[00:19:50]>> So I freaking scroll and he's like, "I don't see the deer." I'm like, "That's cool. Just hit record and point it this way." Right? So I draw and he does. He finds the deer. So he zooms the camera in and dude, it's windy, right? I have a crazy side wind. So like my bow is like a kite. It's doing this and I'm I'm trying. It's far, you know, deer's small. So, I'm trying I finally get the pen pin sort of to settle and I shoot and I can see the shot is right. Like it's pretty good right. He was facing left and it gets there and we hear like a sound and then like sort of a weird reactionish. I'm like I look at Josh, he turns the camera to me and I go, "Dude, I'm pretty sure we just shot a buck."

[00:20:28]And he was like, "I think we did, too."

[00:20:30]And I'm like, "I'm not sure." I said, "Honestly, if we hit it like it was it was back, but I think we hit a buck with a huge broadhead." He's It'll be all right, dude. We go down there, fine blood. He went 60 yards.

[00:20:42]>> Awesome, man.

[00:20:43]>> We did shoot him one more time, but he was down, you know, like he would have died for sure, but I was happy we found him. Got another arrow in him, and yeah, he only went 60 yards. We got him down quick and and uh and it was actually like, like I said, I would have shot anything, a dough or whatever, and I just shot it, and it ended up being a pretty nice buck. I mean, he's like this big. So, I was super tickled. It's my first ever axis deer. and worked really hard for it. And feel good to just get that out of the way because I I intend to hunt more and shoot more deer.

[00:21:15]Ideally, I I want to get another crack at a monster.

[00:21:17]>> I forgot to mention the one I shot that through that window was a real true monster.

[00:21:21]>> So, I want to get another crack at one like that, but I also really badly want Brianna to get one. So, >> I'm going to be helping her a lot. I'm going to film for her this afternoon.

[00:21:31]Well, last year Bian and I hunted in Hawaii as well, a different island, but we did the goat hunt on public land. And dude, that was super gnarly. Like the terrain was crazy. It felt like I mean, dude, it was like you could for sure die hunting. Like there full cliffs, you know? And I did end up getting one, but that was cool, too. There's just It's different. I like I love hunting here.

[00:21:52]I've only hunted here twice, last year and this year. And dude, it's it's just different. Like the amount you can hunt, the amount of reps you can get is unbelievable.

[00:22:02]>> Yeah, it's I was blown away, too. So, I I went out the first couple days with Josh and we had a couple of rifle tags and we were trying to get a couple of deer for camp for meat that were going to eat while we're here and just the volumes of deer we were seeing with the bot. We were glassing some more open areas that were not very conducive to bow but fine for rifle and it just they're just everywhere and so they're just destroying this terrain and we're in we're in an aid terrain anyway so the erosion is very when it does rain um the erosion is incredible. you can see all the erosion ditches, right? And uh >> so the soil just doesn't stay and it runs out into the ocean and it ends up killing the reefs is what happens.

[00:22:45]>> And so that's kind of what's going on on some of these islands. So thanks for following the Thrive, guys. I hope you've gotten a lot out of um what I've been putting out lately. I do want to mention real quick, guys, my Hunt IQ suite just dropped two weeks ago and I've added even in this last week since I've been here. I mean, I've been working.

[00:23:04]>> Oh, dude. This as a machine.

[00:23:07]So, me and Claude have been programming and I've added a whole bunch of new suite of tools to it.

[00:23:13]>> This guy, it's so cool because in camp we had a couple guys that really were Gus specifically was very very interested in Mark's stuff had done his uh treeine academy and had the new pro or you were showing them the new program him and Bill and both of them were like dude like I have so many uses for this.

[00:23:31]They were blown away. It was crazy the amount of detail. Even me listening, I was like, "Dude, this is crazy." When people think about Hunt IQ Suite or they think about they want to think about Gohan and they want to think about these other research tools, which are fine.

[00:23:45]They do their job. But guys, they kind of tell you draw odds and if you can get a tag, they're very useful when it's time for application season. I wanted to go further than that. I wanted a an analysis tool that you could check. You could look at moisture levels, you can look at motor vehicle access, you can look at pressure areas, you can look at tree canopy, you can look at um steepness ratings, how steep the unit is, how what elevation zones, how much of the unit is at this elevation and that elevation. So, I wanted a suite of tools that not only will help you draw the tags. My draws are in there, too.

[00:24:22]And I go way back with drawouts, too.

[00:24:24]The draw out history is is incredible.

[00:24:26]But what is really, I think, is the most impactful thing that people don't even realize is in there is the ability to analyze the units with all of this data and determine how good the unit is. Does it fit your style of hunting >> and those kinds of things. And I think that that's the part that well, it's never existed. So, since it hasn't existed, nobody really knows that it can be done. So, it not only helps you guide during tag season, but it helps you pick units that you might want to apply for, but almost more importantly, like in Montana, in Wyoming, even some Idaho to some degree, a lot of times when you draw a general tag, you have the option to hunt multiple units. Well, what unit are you going to hunt in that? Like in Montana, if you draw a general tag, there's 100 units.

[00:25:11]>> Wow.

[00:25:11]>> Which one are you going to do?

[00:25:13]>> That's where this tool shines because it helps you break down and analyze some of this data. So, anyway, check it out. You can go to treelineacademy.net. James, thanks for coming on, bro.

[00:25:22]>> Thanks for having me, man. I've been looking forward to this show.

[00:25:24]>> We got a lot of We got another week to go. Let's go. So, uh, thanks for watching and I'll see you next time.

[00:25:29]>> Thanks, guys.