He Wanted Sympathy... The Messages Told A Different Story

Hinzugefügt: 2026-06-03

[00:00:00]to have a chat about your online activity.

[00:00:02]>> You want to come in a minute?

[00:00:04]>> No.

[00:00:04]>> Is anybody else inside?

[00:00:05]>> No.

[00:00:16]>> Yeah.

[00:00:19]>> You know what we're on about?

[00:00:20]>> No, I'm on um big old talking to Olivia.

[00:00:26]>> Don't Don't mention any names for us.

[00:00:27]Yeah.

[00:00:28]>> Yeah. Uh my colleague is going to be recording this interaction.

[00:00:31]>> Yeah, >> it's so nobody can say >> you want to shut >> It's just so nobody can say any false allegations or like that.

[00:00:40]>> It covers everybody's ass.

[00:00:42]>> And I understand why you don't want people to hear it.

[00:00:45]>> No, it's >> right. So you're speaking to people that are not of age online, are you?

[00:00:56]>> I've told them my age and that lot.

[00:00:59]Your age is irrelevant in this conversation. Your age is irrelevant when you're speaking to anybody under the age of 18. 16.

[00:01:05]>> I've told them and they still message.

[00:01:07]I'm not doing nothing wrong. You know what I mean? I've told them and I mean >> you are.

[00:01:12]>> You're doing something highly illegal.

[00:01:14]>> Highly illegal.

[00:01:18]And some of the contents of your conversation is extremely inappropriate to be having with a child, isn't it?

[00:01:25]Don't mention the girl's name, how many people under the age of 18 are you actually talking to?

[00:01:34]Uh, and also just to make you aware, there's nothing you can you can say that's going to change the way we're going to behave.

[00:01:42]Okay.

[00:01:43]>> No, no, no. I'm just [ __ ] I just don't want you to lie to me.

[00:01:46]>> I'm just I'm just scared because I'm because obviously I'm disabled and I've had a lot going on at the minute. I've just got Well, I in hospital yesterday with my mental health and [ __ ] like that, man.

[00:01:58]>> But mental health is not an excuse to turn it.

[00:02:00]>> No, I know, mate. But I've got a lot going on at the minute and I'm literally scared because I'm I'm literally thinking that music is going to kick [ __ ] out of me.

[00:02:08]>> No, it wasn't going to hurt you.

[00:02:10]>> That's why I'm I'm like >> we wouldn't be having a recording happening, would we? Cuz this that just give them evidence of us beating you up, wouldn't it? That That's why I'm checking. That's >> And if anybody for whatever reason finds out why we're here talking to you, we will take a good eye on him before you do.

[00:02:28]>> Okay. That just to >> I'm just Okay, I get that.

[00:02:32]>> Yeah. You just have three strange men.

[00:02:34]One of them's 29 foot tall knock on your door.

[00:02:37]>> He's looking He's tall.

[00:02:40]>> Uh knock on your door. It's going to be strange. And yeah, you are going to be a bit we which is why I started off by saying you're you're in no danger. Okay.

[00:02:49]But to be honest, mate, I I don't believe anybody because I have got a lot of people who's wanting to put a gun to my head because they're kind of spamming [ __ ] >> we and [ __ ] >> No, I'm just I'm just saying, mate, that's why I'm a bit wary.

[00:03:05]>> No, that's fine. Fair enough. That's all.

[00:03:07]>> I mean, again, somebody after you for cannabis farms, it is the least of your worries. Okay. So again, how many people under the age of 16 are you talking to without saying their names?

[00:03:26]>> Well, this tell what's on PO and I have told them >> don't be mentioning no apps for us, please.

[00:03:33]>> Sorry, mate.

[00:03:36]>> It's all right. Just from going forward, don't know. No apps to be mentioned and no names to be mentioned at all.

[00:03:42]>> Right. Right.

[00:03:43]>> Okay.

[00:03:43]>> Yeah, that's fine with me that >> So that's two two on that particular platform.

[00:03:48]>> That's it.

[00:03:49]>> That's it. And how old are those two?

[00:03:51]>> Um one of them told me they were 13.

[00:03:54]I've told her I'm sorry but I can't talk to her.

[00:03:57]>> Okay.

[00:03:58]>> And I've said the same to other one.

[00:04:00]>> How old did the other one say?

[00:04:02]>> I can't remember mate.

[00:04:04]>> Older or younger than uh 13?

[00:04:06]>> Probably around about same. So 13 years I've said my age um I said I'm sorry I can't talk to you. Um and obviously I've got what I'm not sorry. Um and next thing they've added me on that and I come up with no name. It's just come up with a number.

[00:04:33]>> You mean a messaging app?

[00:04:36]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:37]>> Right. Okay. But how did they message you on there?

[00:04:40]>> I don't know because I I didn't >> But you obviously did.

[00:04:43]>> I didn't give them my number though.

[00:04:44]>> But you obviously did. Um >> obviously I'm I'm being honest with you, mate. You know what I mean?

[00:04:49]>> Well, I think that the the weed you've smoked done some damage. But somebody cannot send you a message.

[00:04:54]>> No. What What did you said before that mate though, mate?

[00:04:57]>> Then I'm not saying that you're lying, but what I'm saying is that if you're not lying, then that we could have done some damage to your brain if you can't remember giving your phone number to somebody. But anyway, regardless of >> don't get me wrong, my my head's is that my my head is [ __ ] you know.

[00:05:12]>> Well, again, I've had situ I' I've had issues in the past with my mental health. I haven't spoken to kids or anything like that. Okay.

[00:05:20]>> But anyway, >> can I just ask a big favor?

[00:05:24]>> We just put them scissors over here, please.

[00:05:26]>> I'm not going to >> I don't know you.

[00:05:28]>> I don't know you. You don't know us.

[00:05:30]>> I understand that. I'm just asking.

[00:05:34]Sorry, mate.

[00:05:37]>> Cut that down. That's all.

[00:05:39]>> That's fine.

[00:05:39]>> What sort of conversation you been having >> with with the the one that you know 13?

[00:05:44]>> I couldn't tell you because I haven't spoke to her for a bit to be honest with you. Um I've been talking to her last who was in Cardiff at not to mention any locations. So, the 13year-old that I'm here on behalf of, you were speaking to last night.

[00:06:11]>> You want me to to refresh your memory with some of the things you were saying?

[00:06:14]>> I was talking to a few glasses last night, mate.

[00:06:18]>> Well, a few 13y olds. Well, then it's going to be very easy to to work out which one I'm on about. Cuz if you're only speaking to one 13y old, you're going to know, right? So, apparently you made this 13year-old your girlfriend.

[00:06:38]>> I don't know how why because of I've got mate. She lives in according again don't I don't want to know specifics about you things like that but according to the conversation you've been having with this little girl you've made her your girlfriend >> yeah going uh to cars.

[00:07:16]>> Bit bit rough around here, isn't it?

[00:07:19]>> I've only been back around here since the 20th of Jan.

[00:07:23]>> So, what were you in prison for last time?

[00:07:25]>> I've been in and out of jail for all sorts.

[00:07:27]>> Have you ever been in bother for chatting to underage girls before?

[00:07:32]>> I have. Yeah. But that was through my mate um who he was in leads. Um he made me cuz when on tw on on 18th of June, no 12th of June 2018, me and Missy split up cuz I found out she had dog me and I me I asked my mate cuz I was doing some dog shoot with drugs and [ __ ] like that >> and I asked him cuz I only had a burner phone and I asked him if he'd be able to make me a Facebook account so I could message my son's mom to meet me at least train station at 2:00 on Thursday when I got paid.

[00:08:08]So I I got up first here. I've done what I needed to do with bedrooms and a lot of tying up and that and he's come up what you're doing today. I'm going down setting off down to the train station about 1:00 to meet L'Ore >> Can't keep reminding you.

[00:08:27]>> No. And he went I'll walk down cuz I'm meeting somebody.

[00:08:32]So, as we walked down, we've got to double doors and next thing a group of people grabbed me and that's when I found out that it's been talking to 100 age girls.

[00:08:44]>> So, why would they grab you?

[00:08:46]>> Wasn't it on my Facebook account?

[00:08:49]>> So, the issue is >> it's a bit of a coincidence how >> Yeah.

[00:08:57]No, it's just cuz I don't know if you >> I know. We all like to have each other.

[00:09:02]>> Uh uh bit of a coincidence how your friend on your Facebook profile spoke to underage girls, but now however many years later, you've got somebody else knocking on your door because you've been speaking to underage girls.

[00:09:22]So >> yeah, you might not believe me, mate.

[00:09:25]And that well, >> you know what I mean?

[00:09:27]>> I mean, chances are you it was you speaking to the girls before, but you tried to do that.

[00:09:34]>> No, I I even said on like he's videoing me now, but I said it.

[00:09:39]>> So, was it a team like this who got you last time?

[00:09:41]>> Yeah.

[00:09:42]>> Right. Okay. And how long ago was that?

[00:09:44]>> [ __ ] hell.

[00:09:48]>> 2018.

[00:09:49]>> 2018. Right. Okay. So are you >> I did mention it in my interview if you want to and everything and that one mate >> right. So >> that did go out.

[00:09:57]>> Are you are you on the register?

[00:10:00]>> H yeah.

[00:10:01]>> How long you on the sex offender register for?

[00:10:03]>> 10 >> 10 years. Okay. Have you got a sexual harm prevention order?

[00:10:07]>> I don't have to go and sign and I've just got like if I get a new phone I've got to register. It could be 3 days. If I move for address like so if I move from here at let's say what black I've got to go and give them my address within three days I don't have to go in every >> so the police aware of that mobile phone >> they've got um e safe on it >> what's that >> it's like a software where they can monitor what I'm doing and everything.

[00:10:36]>> So how are you getting away with speaking to these girls and have you got another phone? No, that's the phone I've got, mate.

[00:10:42]>> So, how you getting away with it?

[00:10:43]>> High school kids. That's phone.

[00:10:45]>> No. Whether it's true or not, don't never swear on your kids' lives. Ever.

[00:10:50]>> So, how are you getting away with telling a 13year-old that she's sexy and now she's made you [ __ ] hard?

[00:10:58]Cuz if they're monitoring that phone, you >> they're going to be able to see stuff like that.

[00:11:03]>> Uhhuh.

[00:11:03]>> Which is making me believe >> that you've got another phone.

[00:11:07]>> I've got these.

[00:11:08]>> Put your phone back down for me. Are you safe there, mate?

[00:11:11]>> I'll put you down. We don't touch.

[00:11:12]>> How old are your kids if you don't mind me asking?

[00:11:15]>> Mine Mine's 18. One's 18 in in September. My son's eight in December.

[00:11:22]So, if you're on the set register, I mean, we're going to see how it goes.

[00:11:30]See how much I'm lied to.

[00:11:34]But if the police were involved, >> chances are you'd be straight to prison.

[00:11:39]What? You know that, right?

[00:11:40]>> Yeah. But I I will be honest.

[00:11:43]>> Did you do prison last time?

[00:11:44]>> I've been in and out of jail.

[00:11:46]>> I mean, for this for for the being into jail before.

[00:11:50]>> I have been in jail because um obviously with the software, I'm not allowed to delete anything or [ __ ] all on the phone, >> right?

[00:12:02]And um >> what was it you deleted?

[00:12:04]>> It was just a message u from my mom and that cuz I'm not allowed no contact with my mom because I've been in jail because of her before and um I deleted the message before I went to probation and because I deleted message I ended up getting arrested for that.

[00:12:20]>> Right. So I think we've skirted around the the last question I asked. Have you been did you go to prison for the last time a team got you?

[00:12:31]or any any other time >> I ended up >> have I went to car three years with >> please it's a yes or no answer okay have you been to prison >> for anything to do with speaking to underage >> girls >> you have right that because of with your friend >> right so if you did prison that means they had evidence and proof that it wasn't your friend >> cuz it won't it won't my phone there's a lot there's a more to it than just that.

[00:13:01]Okay. We deal with catfish profiles day in day out. Okay. We know if it's a certain person behind that profile. But anyway, so you've done prison for that.

[00:13:12]How long did you serve?

[00:13:13]>> Um I've been in and out since 201.

[00:13:16]>> No, for for the underage girl.

[00:13:19]>> This is what I'm trying to I got um >> but I don't care about your drug charges or anything like that. I don't care.

[00:13:26]>> I'm not saying [ __ ] like that, me, mate.

[00:13:28]Um, I got 5 years with police and 3 years with probation, but because I've been in and out of jail and that lot, they've extended it to 10 years with police.

[00:13:44]>> Right. So, did you serve 5 years for what the police said?

[00:13:48]>> No. On reason I went to in and out of jail because I deleted messages.

[00:13:52]>> Right. But how long did you serve when the team caught you with your friend? I I didn't go to didn't go to jail, mate.

[00:14:00]I got This is what I'm >> So, when I just asked you two minutes ago, >> this is what I've just said to you, mate. I got three years with probation.

[00:14:06]I got 5 years with police, >> right?

[00:14:10]>> Um, >> so you were on the sexual preent with the police where you had to >> I didn't have to go and starting on me.

[00:14:18]All I had to do >> the conditions what I >> I think I think we're getting a bit off track. So, serious question. No, because he just asked me he's just asked me a question.

[00:14:27]>> Yeah, that's what it's getting a little bit confusing.

[00:14:30]>> So, I answering his question, that's all, mate.

[00:14:32]>> Right. So, how come you sent a photo of your penis to this 13-year-old girl?

[00:14:39]>> I didn't know I did, mate, to be honest with you.

[00:14:41]>> No, don't be.

[00:14:41]>> No, I'm not lying to you on that one, mate.

[00:14:43]>> You are.

[00:14:44]>> I didn't.

[00:14:45]>> You know full well if you take a a dickpick and you send it, >> mate. I've sent one to [ __ ] a few lasses. Right. Well, about one about kids.

[00:14:56]>> How old are the ones that you've sent it to as well?

[00:14:58]>> Like 29 and that mate.

[00:15:00]>> Okay. So, how can you be followed on with asking this child if you didn't realize you sent it to a child? You asked her if she's ever had sex before >> and if she wanted to try it with you.

[00:15:12]>> She turned around and she's she said to me she's never seen one before >> because you asked her, "Have you ever seen one before?"

[00:15:20]I I'm going to be honest. I can't remember, mate, what I have to say. So, I'm being honest with you >> with >> what with everything that's said in the chat.

[00:15:34]Okay. There's no there isn't really I think you need to buy some new writers >> for a start.

[00:15:39]>> I do mate to be honest with the [ __ ] What? Everything that's being said in the chat, saying that I can't remember sending this or I can't remember sending that is not going to cut it.

[00:15:50]>> No.

[00:15:50]>> Because you've consciously typed out a message. You've consciously taken a photo and sent it. Okay.

[00:16:01]You were arranging to meet her >> next week. I think >> I won't go in.

[00:16:07]>> So, but why arrange it?

[00:16:08]>> I will go into Luton next week.

[00:16:14]>> Then why arrange or attempt to arrange >> to see what she'd actually send me? But I actually going to loot.

[00:16:22]>> See, I'm not buying that. I'm not buying that, Andrew. There there's a lot of things that's being said and that's being said.

[00:16:28]>> I'm going to Luton Friday.

[00:16:30]>> Okay. But then why you do it?

[00:16:33]Cuz for all you know, all you knew, that girl was going to turn up and she was going to be stranded in me in middle of nowhere.

[00:16:40]>> Mate, I'm not trying to come up with excuses.

[00:16:43]>> But you are. That's all that's all you're doing is bringing up excuses.

[00:16:47]>> What m I've ended up reaching out and cutting my arms and everything because of my mental health and >> Yeah. And what what what do you think's going to happen to this girl? Cuz you know what? This sort of [ __ ] all this sort of [ __ ] has Christ almighty. I think I'm getting high in this room. Uh, do you know what?

[00:17:06]Doing things like this and saying things that you've been saying to the shouts, do you know what effect that has on them?

[00:17:12]>> To be honest with you, >> because cutting himself is is just the tip of the iceberg.

[00:17:18]>> You think your head's [ __ ] up?

[00:17:22]saying the [ __ ] you've been saying, sending the photos you've been saying to a child who's never seen anything like that before, who's never had to deal with anything like that before is now playing over and over in the mind.

[00:17:35]So self harm is just is just a tip, >> right?

[00:17:38]>> They turn to alcohol abuse, drug abuse.

[00:17:41]Some of them may even even go as far as suicide.

[00:17:45]And tomorrow morning, if you saw on news that a little girl, the little girl you've been talking to has taken her own life, tell you right now, you aren't going to be calling up the police saying, "I've been speaking to this girl. I sent this girl a photo of my mankey knob.

[00:18:07]You wanted to see photos of her naked.

[00:18:10]You wanted to see photos of, in your words, tits and [ __ ] a 13-year-old girl.

[00:18:23]But you didn't get that. Most you got were a selfie, was it?

[00:18:31]And then you proceeded to tell her that she'd made you cockard. A 13year-old girl, Andrew.

[00:18:46]We've got voice notes that you sent to her.

[00:18:53]>> Oh, voice notes.

[00:18:55]>> Yes. You sent voice notes.

[00:18:58]>> This particular girl you were speaking to this afternoon cuz you told her if she was here in your bedroom, you'd be [ __ ] her all over it.

[00:19:16]Can you imagine if I were this little girl's dad?

[00:19:19]>> I won't start here now, mate.

[00:19:21]>> You won't I I'll be brut brutally honest. I'd rip you rip your leg off and I'll smack you right back at it repeatedly.

[00:19:28]>> That's I understand that, mate. I really understand.

[00:19:34]Yeah, I'm just there. I'm sorry. Is there anyone in that bathroom?

[00:19:38]>> No, mate. You can't.

[00:19:39]>> So, it's just a window. Just have a look. It's just a window.

[00:19:43]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mate.

[00:19:45]>> But yeah, it's the wind top window.

[00:19:47]What's open?

[00:19:48]>> Yeah. The fact that you've got us three here.

[00:19:51]>> God, you're [ __ ] lucky, >> mate.

[00:19:54]>> Because that's brutal. That That's >> That's why I'm shaking like [ __ ] here because I am.

[00:19:59]>> So, you did remember doing it then? Cuz if you were shaking like [ __ ] you must have remembered doing it. got three [ __ ] random people here, mate.

[00:20:05]>> Yeah. No, but you you must have really remembered doing it if you clapped yourself.

[00:20:08]>> Any of you, you know what I mean? You've just turned up at my door and that's >> and I'm [ __ ] myself up. You know what I mean? I'm not going to [ __ ] >> say I'm I'm [ __ ] I'm not [ __ ] myself with [ __ ] few big lads.

[00:20:22]>> Yeah. No, but you you must have knew that you're being >> That's why I'm checking, mate.

[00:20:26]>> Yeah. Know, but you must have knew you're being shut something for you to be [ __ ] yourself at first.

[00:20:40]So you fancy children.

[00:20:45]What made you talk to them eight years ago then?

[00:20:49]>> I didn't talk to him eight years ago, mate. Like I was saying to your mate, >> it mate on my Facebook account.

[00:21:03]I doing cannabis and that and sorry we're not we don't we don't want to know about cannabis.

[00:21:13]>> He asked he asked me a question and I telling him and that lot and >> but we're diverting away from the actual reason why we've knocked on your door.

[00:21:22]No, he just asked me a question while you two went.

[00:21:25]>> Yeah, I was asking about children. I weren't asking about drugs.

[00:21:28]>> But you as I was asking Yeah, about I said about children. I was asking about children. I didn't say anything about drugs, did I?

[00:21:36]>> I was telling you that my mate on my >> Yeah, but you were on about drugs. I didn't ask about drugs.

[00:21:41]>> I know you didn't, mate. I just said I were doing something dodgy and I like and my mate I asked my mate to make me a Facebook account on his Blackberry. He made me a Facebook account. I messaged my daughter well my son's man. I told her to meet me at Le train station at 2:00 on Thursday when I got paid so I can spend a few hours with my son.

[00:22:02]>> It's a very well rehearsed story.

[00:22:03]>> And I went to him I went delete it now cuz I don't obviously I got I mean to skip it.

[00:22:10]>> Yeah. So, I'm not buying it where you mate. Sorry, I'm not because this is now the second time you've been confronted about it.

[00:22:19]And it's Yeah. No, I'm not buying it to you, mate. I I'm assuming you don't speak to that mate no more.

[00:22:26]>> No.

[00:22:26]>> Yeah. Did you disown you for trying to blame him?

[00:22:28]>> No, mate. Um, I moved to Columbia through my mom and my dad.

[00:22:33]>> Been in love, aren't you? So, how many children have you actually met in person?

[00:22:36]>> I met none in person. So you just do it online. How many kids since last time have you actually spoken to that you not I'm not saying that you speak to now.

[00:22:47]>> That's one. That's it. That's the one I know.

[00:22:51]>> But it's not though because you've already told me there's two.

[00:22:55]>> Well, I've blocked that one.

[00:22:57]>> But there still you're not making a lot of sense. Andrew, >> I'm you asking me questions. I'm answering them, mate.

[00:23:06]>> But I asked you before, how many are you talking to? You said two.

[00:23:10]>> I deleted one. I mean blocked one cuz obviously I'm not allowed to delete nothing on my phone. So please like I said to you I've got that software on the phone. Police can monitor what I'm doing like you said. Why aren't they done?

[00:23:23]>> Well, it's either the police doing a [ __ ] job or like I've said you've got a second phone. But when if if the police come, they'll probably ransack the house >> and they won't find another phone in a burn phone in there without a SIM card in it, mate. That's on it. SIM card I've got.

[00:23:39]>> Is it a smartphone?

[00:23:40]>> No, it's just a£10 phone. It's on.

[00:23:43]>> So, how you got a burner? It's all right.

[00:23:45]>> Not touching. How come you've got a burn?

[00:23:47]>> You could just put your head around corner. You can't see.

[00:23:50]>> It's all right.

[00:23:50]>> It's all right. I can stay there. Um cuz when I got out of jail, I didn't have a phone. So I were in um uh like um a property through probation cuz I got out of jail homeless and I were living in Nton and because I didn't have a phone and because I've got epilepsy and my mental health problems. Yeah. They got they went and got me a cheap £10 phone.

[00:24:17]There's a lot of things that just don't add up. Like why you had to jump from area to area.

[00:24:26]>> I've come back to West Yorkshire for my grandparents maybe because my grandma's got lung cancer. It's nothing to candle.

[00:24:31]It's just matter of waiting for it to die.

[00:24:33]>> Yeah. But you seem to have been jumping from place to place to place to place.

[00:24:38]Now the question I'm asking myself is is this because you have been speaking to young girls mate >> or you have been a a bit creepy looking through your windows at young girls?

[00:24:51]>> No.

[00:24:53]>> I've come back here for one reason only and that's for my grandparents mate.

[00:24:56]That's only family I speak to is my grand. But >> that's you know that's not I mean what's your grandparents going to say when they find out you've been speaking to a child? like you've been sending dickpicks.

[00:25:08]>> You're not gonna be happy, man.

[00:25:09]>> To essentially a baby because she's only just turned to be a teenager.

[00:25:22]You know, you told her all about your leg.

[00:25:31]You know, everything that I'm saying to you, I can back it up.

[00:25:38]All I'm all I'm saying, mate, I can't remember what >> what stop me.

[00:25:45]>> It's just antibiotic, mate. It's for my leg because um I've got a lump on it and they think that it's a infection. That's all, mate. I would have been taking it otherwise. No. Um, we've got a duty of care as well. Even though we're here over something serious, >> I've still got a duty of care to make sure you go the way we've come into your property when you invite us in.

[00:26:05]>> I I I understand that bit. But I should have I should have just said to straight away, mate, but I didn't know about that bit, mate.

[00:26:14]>> But thank you. Thank you for letting me know about that, though.

[00:26:18]>> You told this 13year-old girl that you wanted to kiss her lips.

[00:26:23]And then you want to kiss a body.

[00:26:28]And then you want to play with a [ __ ] getting it wet and then stick your [ __ ] in it.

[00:26:37]In what world is that acceptable to send to a child?

[00:26:44]Answer me to that one.

[00:26:46]>> It's not mate.

[00:26:47]>> Then why did you do it?

[00:26:52]I don't know, mate. This is me being honest with you.

[00:26:57]>> You got to bear in mind, you know, we we've done hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these, okay? And the amount of people that turn around and say, "I don't know why I did it." That's that's a a crocite.

[00:27:13]Like I said, you've consciously made the decisions repeatedly to send these messages, to send these photos.

[00:27:38]So, I don't know why I did it. There's a lot of rubbish.

[00:27:42]What what attracts you?

[00:27:46]>> Nothing, mate.

[00:27:47]>> Then how how how were you getting an erection then? If you were attracted to him, >> mate, that that picture well from another what I sent to another another who lives in >> I stopped. That's why I stopped to myself then, mate. I remembered um not far from here. and I sent it to her and it's been on my phone. Like I said, I can't delete nothing on off my phone. It's not It want a fresh one or nothing like that.

[00:28:22]>> But I'm pretty sure it was just one what I sent and Alas who I met first time from um a different area close by.

[00:28:34]>> Right. Are you still on probation? Yes, I'm on till the 27th of November, >> right?

[00:28:42]>> I don't know if I did if I said >> What restrictions do you have from the probation?

[00:28:49]>> So, I'm pretty sure is there a restriction for speaking to people under the age of Trying to remember cuz when I got my license conditions when I got out of jail, mate, they just went into my bag.

[00:29:17]Um, >> you didn't bother looking at them?

[00:29:20]>> No, mate.

[00:29:21]>> Do you think it would be a wise thing to do >> to be? Yeah. I wish I've never ever read my license conditions when I've got out of jail, but like you just said, mate, yeah. it would have been a good idea to be done.

[00:29:36]>> I agree with you on that one.

[00:29:38]>> I mean, regardless of what it says, what you've done is still illegal regardless of what it says in those uh conditions.

[00:29:50]So, what what was doing it for you then?

[00:29:53]Cuz something was otherwise you wouldn't have kept going and going back to it.

[00:29:59]>> I didn't get down cuz I won't get back home.

[00:30:03]Some of us are better.

[00:30:06]I just got too much muscle on us.

[00:30:11]My toothpick here.

[00:30:16]So, what was it?

[00:30:19]There's nothing, mate. But something attracted you to this one child to add her in the first place.

[00:30:30]on the >> on the initial platform you were talking to her on >> not mentioning no apps or anything but but the first one I did she told me her age I told her mine and I said I'm sorry I I can't talk >> that's true you did but you didn't stop you carried on talking and before you say it don't turn around and say but she kept talking to me. She kept replying to you and she's a child.

[00:31:06]You're you was the adult.

[00:31:09]You was in control of that situation.

[00:31:21]So why?

[00:31:29]Do you regret it?

[00:31:32]>> Okay. So show us how much you regret it and help us stop other people from doing it. Help us understand why everybody the ones that do do it do it.

[00:31:42]>> So give us an insight into why >> honest we I don't understand why other people do it, mate.

[00:31:49]>> What about you?

[00:31:49]>> What you have?

[00:31:50]>> What about you? What made you do it?

[00:31:52]>> It didn't make me do nothing made me do it, mate. To be honest with you, I >> So, if you're saying what made you do it, you must have found this man attractive to go speak to.

[00:32:08]>> I don't look at them like that, mate.

[00:32:11]But the conversation you was having says totally different.

[00:32:18]>> See where we're coming from.

[00:32:20]>> How old are you?

[00:32:22]>> How old are you, Andrew?

[00:32:24]>> I'm 38.

[00:32:26]>> So I have >> Why would you have any conversation with anyone under the age of 25 in that way being that age?

[00:32:46]When she said to you, when you asked her how old she was, when she told you, you should have blocked her straight away.

[00:32:54]>> I don't even know if I'm allowed to block people. Of >> course you can. Come on.

[00:32:58]>> No, I don't know.

[00:32:59]>> You think You think I'm not But you think you're going to get penalized for refusing to talk to a child?

[00:33:05]>> No.

[00:33:07]>> If you You're not deleting it. You've blocked it so she can't carry that conversation on.

[00:33:13]>> You haven't deleted it. You haven't blocked it.

[00:33:15]>> Struggle understanding stuff as well, mate.

[00:33:17]>> But you understand, you understood very well what you were saying in the messages.

[00:33:22]>> And you did. So you'd understand that your cards are eat nothing. But yeah, don't understand that you can't speak to children in that way.

[00:33:59]It's like look at that.

[00:34:02]Andrew.

[00:34:05]Yeah.

[00:34:07]You've taken that photo. You've sent that photo.

[00:34:15]And that one that's the one I That's the one I about it.

[00:34:23]It's not a fresh one that m >> Don't ever send photos like that >> to to anybody. Just no. Just >> I I apologize.

[00:34:33]>> No, I don't want your apology. Your apology means [ __ ] to me.

[00:34:38]This little girl on the other hand, apology ain't going to do anything.

[00:34:46]But she's she's the one that's owed an apology.

[00:34:51]I trust the garden after deserves some apology.

[00:35:06]Is any any of this going in, Andrew?

[00:35:09]>> Yeah, it is, mate.

[00:35:10]>> Well, you're kind of >> what you are saying to me, mate, it is going in.

[00:35:16]>> You're not really giving that impression. You're kind of giving the impression that we're inconveniencing you.

[00:35:21]>> No, you're not, mate.

[00:35:24]>> Is sinking in slowly.

[00:35:28]>> Is that a reality? I'm back home again from when it happened last time.

[00:35:33]>> It's being back in West Yorkshire, mate.

[00:35:36]That's what it is.

[00:35:37]>> Well, being in West Yorkshire makes you talk to kids.

[00:35:40]>> No, no, no.

[00:35:41]>> That's bas basically what you've just said.

[00:35:44]>> No, it's not like nothing like that, mate.

[00:35:47]Like I said, I've only come back from my grandma and my granddad.

[00:35:53]>> But again, your granddad probably aren't going to want anything to do with you to find out about this.

[00:35:58]>> I agree with you, mate.

[00:36:01]>> Which one had the cancer? You know, our granddad.

[00:36:03]>> My grandma. My grandma's got lung cancer. It's just matter of waiting for her to die.

[00:36:08]>> So, what's this going to do when she hears about you with this?

[00:36:13]>> That's probably going to kill her.

[00:36:17]I agree with you.

[00:36:18]>> What did you say when you became a convicted pedophile?

[00:36:29]>> Um it my mom when my mom walked all what's gone off and everything. Um because obviously I got arrested and lot so my mom my mom know about it. Um cuz she come my stepdad come and got me from leads and took me to come here and my mom it when my mom walked all about it I don't know what my grandma said or anything about it mate >> done >> I don't I haven't spoken to my mom for a couple of years now um we fell However, that's somebody who used to live.

[00:37:21]>> All right. Okay.

[00:37:23]You just uh mute it a So I went left the property and went up to my sisters and she still carried on and I ended up walking out my sister's going up to woods to end my life cuz she it got to that point where she w backing down from what she was saying to me.

[00:38:40]So from then I have ear I had sp >> so I'll be honest with you we now know of a second 13year-old that you're trying to so you know this whole lying thing that you said you weren't doing so how many are you talking to >> just like I said >> that's into it cuz before you were just chatting to the one >> and now I've told you another one. We've got another 13y old.

[00:39:15]>> So, >> but we you were talking to but you are talking.

[00:39:24]>> Does that mean it's three then?

[00:39:26]>> If you blocked one, we've got two.

[00:39:29]>> That's that's one.

[00:39:30]>> No, that's one of them. I'm That's what I'm about. The second one I block. I'm gonna I was going to block that one later on because I'm going to go and get made down for a couple of hours.

[00:39:40]>> Nah, you see you weren't going to block it all.

[00:39:43]>> I do.

[00:39:44]>> We've done this plenty of time, Andrew.

[00:39:47]We've heard the same [ __ ] come out of people's mouths and I'm going to call it [ __ ] >> Right.

[00:39:57]>> No, don't leave. What are you doing, mate? No, I'm looking forward to help cuz my >> just like I said, mate, that's all.

[00:40:07]>> We've heard the same [ __ ] time after time. You a weren't going to block her cuz you wanted her to be your girlfriend, right?

[00:40:16]Correct or not?

[00:40:17]>> How can I?

[00:40:18]>> Correct. Yes or no? You ain't going to block her cuz you wanted to be your girlfriend. It's a yes or no answer.

[00:40:25]>> I said that to her. Yeah. But right. So the second one you're still talking to.

[00:40:32]Yes or no?

[00:40:36]Yes or no?

[00:40:38]>> It's not going to change our demeanor towards you.

[00:40:40]>> No.

[00:40:41]>> We >> So is there a third one that you have blocked then?

[00:40:44]>> No.

[00:40:46]>> Are you sure?

[00:40:46]>> Yeah.

[00:40:47]>> Because we will find out.

[00:40:48]>> No. This only two, mate.

[00:40:52]>> So you're talking to both of them?

[00:40:54]>> Yeah.

[00:40:54]>> Yeah. I see you carried online ever since we got here then.

[00:40:59]>> Yeah, haven't you? You've been lying to me too colleagues.

[00:41:05]Look at us while we talk to you. Show us a bit of respect. Sorry about that, mate.

[00:41:12]So, you've allowed to meet two colleagues since you invited us into your property.

[00:41:20]Yeah. Right.

[00:41:24]So, How many others is there? I know I won't treat Andrew.

[00:41:29]>> Just it's not going to change the way we are. We get no just until mate.

[00:41:35]>> But why should we believe you?

[00:41:37]>> I was going to say you make you're making it pretty difficult to believe you.

[00:41:41]>> Why should we believe you when they lied to us? But we didn't I understand that he said >> do you remember what he said at the start about lying and selling the suit but happen if you carry online and stuff like that? Do you want?

[00:41:55]>> So, no. Cuz you lied to us, right? And we knew you were lying. Guess where I've been outside? I found the police. The police aren't going to be attending your property because I knew you were lying to my two colleagues.

[00:42:11]>> Right.

[00:42:12]>> So, I personally made the choice to go and form a police because the end day.

[00:42:19]>> Where else were you stung before?

[00:42:22]>> I don't know. Whereabouts was you caught before?

[00:42:28]>> Leads.

[00:42:31]>> Where where did you live then?

[00:42:33]>> What? In Leads?

[00:42:35]>> Yeah.

[00:42:35]>> Did Did you live in Leeds?

[00:42:37]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:42:38]>> I lived with my son's mom until they >> Yeah. Don't need to to mention any area or their name or >> I going to mention her name, mate.

[00:42:53]So what happens from here?

[00:42:58]What do you think the fair thing moving forward?

[00:43:05]What I can't do in front of you guys now is block.

[00:43:11]>> You're going to touch. You touch the phone and then I'm sorry. I'll have to risking you, >> right? Because we that now is evidence, you know, from cuz you've been done before in the past. That is now evidence. You touch that.

[00:43:28]>> You'll have to >> until the police turn up and we don't want to do that. We're having a conversation. All right.

[00:43:36]>> So, do not touch the phone. Is there any other devices in this property?

[00:43:42]>> No, just that one and that little burn phone in there, mate. which which I've told you to just pop your head around and you can't have >> Have you ever had any underage girls in this property?

[00:43:52]>> No.

[00:43:53]>> Have you ever spoken to any underage girls in person?

[00:43:57]>> Face to face >> that you're not related to?

[00:43:59]>> Face to face? No.

[00:44:00]>> No. Just over the internet?

[00:44:02]>> Yeah.

[00:44:02]>> Okay. So, when did you restart talking to him?

[00:44:11]>> I she messaged me. You messaged her first.

[00:44:17]>> What? You got what?

[00:44:19]>> On on any app, you messaged >> Oh, did I first? Yeah, >> that's my bad then because I thought she messaged me cuz I think it was yesterday when I was We don't come here unless we've got 110% proof.

[00:44:42]The colleague has got every message going from the first app to the second app. So we know I just couldn't remember if it me.

[00:44:54]>> No, but what I'm saying we know the answers straight away.

[00:44:58]>> So cut the [ __ ] with us.

[00:45:01]>> No, I'm being straight with you.

[00:45:05]>> I know you're being wait.

[00:45:07]>> We've got a little bit of information here. Oh, >> you've been caught twice before, haven't you?

[00:45:13]>> Twice?

[00:45:14]>> Yeah.

[00:45:18]>> What's that one? Can you remind?

[00:45:20]>> Did you Scotland?

[00:45:24]>> Oh, my step I was living in um I could tell you the address, but obviously you don't you won't want me to say the address cuz it says here you went to meet another child in Scotland.

[00:45:40]I've never been to Scotland so I don't know where that's come from.

[00:45:52]What you got to realize our team in the background are very good on what they do.

[00:45:59]So the information we can get up is public knowledge.

[00:46:11]Yeah, that's you.

[00:46:14]>> Yeah.

[00:46:15]>> Yeah, that you.

[00:46:16]>> That's you.

[00:46:17]>> That I think that was what were that in Leads?

[00:46:21]>> Mhm.

[00:46:22]>> Yeah, that were in Le.

[00:46:23]>> So, is is that photo you?

[00:46:25]>> Yeah, in Leeds.

[00:46:26]>> Okay. And that's where >> Yeah. So, you've been stung twice.

[00:46:30]>> That's where we're getting the information from.

[00:46:33]>> I was going to say that one. Um that's when they grabbed me at Le train station and they took me down under bridge and down like a gin.

[00:46:43]>> What year did you lose your leg?

[00:46:46]>> 2019.

[00:46:48]>> 2019. Okay.

[00:46:51]See what it's now. But yeah, we can get all the information we need back.

[00:47:00]So just to confirm that photo I've just shown you is you. Yeah. from that time in Leeds.

[00:47:06]>> Yeah.

[00:47:06]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:47:07]>> Which I've been straight forward with would be >> Yeah. So the information we have >> is you went to meet that 13 year old in Leeds.

[00:47:16]>> Yeah.

[00:47:17]>> Well, I'll let you finish what you're saying for then I'll tell you.

[00:47:21]>> And then you you wasn't remanded.

[00:47:29]So when you'd moved, you were talking to more underage girls and you were stuck again in uh July 2018.

[00:47:42]>> July I live in with my mom and my stepdad.

[00:47:50]>> Cuz you went to meet another child.

[00:47:52]>> I live in Income with my mom and my stepdad. So your life cuz my stepdad were getting money together to get me somewhere around Columbia to live.

[00:48:11]>> Is that also you?

[00:48:15]>> Yeah.

[00:48:16]>> Yeah.

[00:48:17]>> I suppose a warrant issued for your arrest, man.

[00:48:20]>> What?

[00:48:21]>> A warrant issued for your arrest.

[00:48:25]Stop laughing. I was going to say, can you remind me about that because that's the first time I've >> You were due You were due to appear in court, but you didn't attend.

[00:48:35]>> What What year was that?

[00:48:37]>> It'll be in 2019, maybe.

[00:48:40]>> 2019. I had >> So, I had my leg.

[00:48:44]>> There's a bit of a pattern here.

[00:48:45]>> I had a potatoated in on 12th of June.

[00:48:49]>> That was back time. What's it been doing in between?

[00:48:51]>> Um, >> there's a bit of a pattern going on.

[00:48:55]There's been a lot of lies.

[00:48:58]>> Yeah, I admitted >> So you said you got caught once in leads, which fair enough.

[00:49:03]>> I admitted to your colleague that I lied to you.

[00:49:05]>> Yeah. So you got caught once in lead, which you told us about. Then you got caught again when you'd moved up Cumbria Scotland way.

[00:49:17]>> Why is it's come?

[00:49:19]>> It's not It's not It's just before. It's just before the border, but >> just before the border, but it's down that way. All right.

[00:49:27]>> Down to you.

[00:49:30]>> Everyone starts a meat booger.

[00:49:33]>> Yeah.

[00:49:33]>> I didn't even know that, mate. To be honest, we neighbor cuz it's first time that first time I've been out.

[00:49:39]>> I mean, the one in Scot the one up up in Scotland. You told me you wanted to kidnap her.

[00:49:43]>> You [ __ ] I wanted to kidnap her.

[00:49:47]>> I don't know.

[00:49:48]>> Well, you've told me those photos are of you. So, this isn't your first rodeo. It's not even your second >> first [ __ ] hurt.

[00:49:57]>> So I don't think since the first time you've been caught and possibly many many years before >> I understand because I in 2019 I had my leg amputated. Then when I got out of hospital I were in Kendall in um hostel because where I lived it was a steel and I lived upstairs on top floor. But you've just omitted those two pictures because obviously this I can't hide it, can I? Because it's Sky. So obviously, >> but I'm I'm being I'm telling you what happened in 2019. So I don't understand why that's >> No, this is 2018 is what I'm saying.

[00:50:38]>> Yeah, you may have been in 2019.

[00:50:43]But the point is the point is the point I'm trying to get at is >> twice before. One of them the first one you said it were your mate. So were you mate the second time?

[00:50:55]>> Was it your mate this time?

[00:50:57]>> No.

[00:50:57]>> No. Obviously.

[00:50:59]>> No. Because I keep >> So it wasn't It wasn't your mate the first time, was it?

[00:51:02]>> No. Come on.

[00:51:04]>> It was my mate first time. Stop the [ __ ] >> I'm not bullshitting you.

[00:51:09]>> You are not the first one. I'm not.

[00:51:11]Right.

[00:51:12]>> The first I'm not lying.

[00:51:14]>> If it was your mate, >> the first one, right?

[00:51:16]>> If it was your mate the first time round, >> why >> did you get a conviction for it?

[00:51:24]>> Because >> and two more of it, weren't you the first time? You wouldn't intend in place to do it the second time, would you?

[00:51:29]>> He did it on my Facebook account on his phone cuz I only had a£10 phone cuz I were doing dodgy stuff. I I'm not allowed to mention that lot. Um, and I asked him nicely. I went, "Can you make me a Facebook account so I can message my son's mom to meet me at least train station >> again?" It's that same exact story word for word.

[00:51:55]>> You have memorized that story, Andrew.

[00:51:57]>> Yeah, because I'm being honest. We uh I even said it in >> sounds like it's it's read from a script. That's what it sounds like.

[00:52:05]>> Look, the point is this is now the third time.

[00:52:08]This is the the point I'm getting to.

[00:52:12]Oh, here we go. There's your >> I'll let you sign off, man. There we go.

[00:52:18]is Andrew Gibby.