Nancy Guthrie: Overpowered and Harshly Controlled!

Added: 2026-05-06

[00:00:00]Good afternoon everybody and thanks for tuning in. John Kelly profile here and welcome. Our show today is going to be about finding Nancy Guthrie. At least finding out who the person is that took Nancy Guthrie.

[00:00:15]That's what I'm hoping for. And I'm hoping with the information we put out there, it really really uh grabs somebody's memory. Okay, that's what our focus is. So, welcome to the show. We missed you. Uh we really had a nice vacation and thank you for sticking by us. We can't appreciate that enough.

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[00:00:51]Make no doubt about it. And at this point in time, I want to send our deepest sympathies out to the Guthrie family. uh this is some really sad stuff they're going that's going on and they're going through. So, we want to uh get our deepest sympathies out to them.

[00:01:06]With that being said, I think uh you know, it's time for Leah to ask me some questions because this is a case that won't go away. This is a case that haunts us. This is a case we're obsessed with. And not only me, but Leah as well and Pam and the rest of the team. It's just going through our minds like where is Nancy Gutri?

[00:01:33]Why did they take Nancy Guthrie? But most importantly today, we're going to be focused on the how. How they took Nancy Guthrie. And this is going to be most important because we're not focusing on cars and transportation.

[00:01:49]We're focusing on the person that took her and hopefully we can identify her and and with your help we might be able to. Leah, go ahead.

[00:01:58]>> Hey, thanks for having me again. It's good to be here.

[00:02:01]>> My pleasure.

[00:02:02]>> So, and unfortunately Nancy is still missing. Uh, you know, I just wanted to ask, let's get us started with why do you think this perpetrator took her? You why or how? I guess. Well, you know, it's the why. And uh, you know, the formula for trying to find these guys that a lot of law enforcement follow is, you know, the how. The how leads you to the why, and the why leads you to the who. A lot of focus has been on the why.

[00:02:33]You know, why this, why that, why over here, why over there, you know, was it uh vindictiveness?

[00:02:42]uh was it some kind of burglary gone wrong? A lot of time spent on um you know the why being for the uh kidnapping and ransom, you know, and so I think what we really need to do to get to the why is focus on the how. Okay?

[00:03:05]The how will usually bring you to the why and the why will usually bring you to the who. Okay, that's usually a formula most uh law enforcement, most detectives follow. So, I mean, it's following the evidence, but you have to have a beginning with why uh or with how, why, and who. And today, we're going to be really looking at that how cuz somebody really knew what they were doing in transporting her. And I'm not saying in a car. I'm saying transporting her from her bed being a bloody mess to the front of that house. Okay. Where she was dripping blood. That's what I'm interested in today because I think that can lead us to the guy. Go ahead.

[00:03:55]>> Yeah. Can you talk about that more, John? Like how does the how lead to the why? How does that explain the why?

[00:04:04]Well, it it it's very simple. I mean, if like let's say you have a victim that's been shot. So, how you know how how did they die? How did they get hurt? Well, they were shot. Okay. So, now what does that tell you? That how tells you that uh you know there was certain bullets used, certain caliber bullets used, certain type of gun used. you know, um if it was a stabbing situation, the how can tell you uh how angry the person was, how emotional they were, uh if it was more or less a robbery and they're not stabbed as much as they are, if it's an emotional situation, a jealousy factor kind of thing, you know, love triangle sort of situation. I mean the how just really can really you know uh moves you over to the why and and that's what you want. That's what you want.

[00:05:02]That how is so very important. It's really like the first step and it gets you to that why. And uh you know that's what I'm wondering here. And and and we've put a lot of time into this as you know and transportation and looking at cars. They go out the back door, they go out the front door, whatever they did.

[00:05:21]But again, I keep coming back to, you know, the the uh training the person had in moving a body out of the house, how how did they know how to do that?

[00:05:38]>> How Okay. And and the body being bleeding, we know Nancy was bleeding.

[00:05:45]How did they know how to handle that?

[00:05:48]You know, people say front door, back door, whatever. Kind of to me, the front door was obviously the best choice.

[00:05:57]That's what the uh abductor felt as well cuz it looks like it is it's that time at that time in the morning. It looks like the easier, best, most unconspicive um exit to use.

[00:06:14]That's what I'm that's what I'm I'm looking at. I am not on the scene. So, you know, they know better than I do when it comes to that. But I want to zero in on the particular person and how they had that type of expertise to move a body on their own. And I'm saying on their own >> because I have no facts to support.

[00:06:41]There were two people. I have no facts to support. There were three people.

[00:06:45]I've got two pictures of one person supposedly at different times there, which leads me to believe the guy's uh scoping the place out. He's some kind of peep or something. But go ahead. Go ahead.

[00:06:59]>> Yeah. No, I mean, we don't know if there's more than one. And I guess technically we don't know she's dead. Is that right, John? I mean, >> absolutely.

[00:07:07]>> Yeah.

[00:07:07]>> Abs. At this point in time, you know, you can't turn around arbitrarily say the woman is passed on. She's deceased.

[00:07:16]>> I mean, the odds were against her, but you know, uh, miracles happen.

[00:07:22]>> Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Um, okay. So, yeah, like we you were just saying, John, a lot of people are focused on the vehicle, but can you talk about how we transported her? Maybe more from like the bed to the door through the house, you know? What are your thoughts on that?

[00:07:38]>> Well, that's the question, isn't it? I mean, seriously, when you look at it, because you know, how did he get her to come from that bed to that door where she was bleeding and out that front door? All right. Now, we have to believe he cracked her, smacked her in some way or she fell down and and hurt herself in some way.

[00:08:08]Not an easy situation >> to handle an elderly woman like that in her condition and with her medical problems who is bleeding we believe but may not have started bleeding until or dropping the blood until she got to the front. So we have to ask ourselves what kind of guy is this? Mhm.

[00:08:36]>> Is this this guy's first rodeo or is this someone with experience in moving bodies in moving people?

[00:08:49]And I'm not saying this just in a uh harsh negative way. I mean, where did this type of learned behavior come from?

[00:09:01]training, you know, first responder training.

[00:09:06]>> I mean, we have to take this into consideration. This took a certain type of person to move her like this, even though she was bleeding going out that front door. And I have to believe in my own heart that it's a pretty low empathy, callous kind of individual, sociopath, psychopath, you know, because to do that to an elderly woman.

[00:09:35]I mean, you uh you're a pretty bad dude, bottom line, and you don't have a whole lot of feelings for people.

[00:09:45]>> No, not at all. Now, do you think he was coming prepared? Like how looking at his backpack coming into this house, how full it was. Is that Do you think that can be related to how he got her out?

[00:09:57]>> That That's something that's blowing my mind, you know? Uh like Timmy Braun said, they usually bring some tools with them when they're coming in, which usually weighs down the backpack. And you know, the backpack is sagging. It's not up in the air full of stuff. Mhm.

[00:10:15]>> So that tells me this is a guy that came prepared to move her.

[00:10:24]Now, what did he bring? What did he have in that backpack that he could use to move her? See, that's what's interesting here. Where did he learn to pick up these different things, utensils to move her? All right. So we we we've got to look at this. We're looking at the how here.

[00:10:47]>> How was he trained? How was he able to do this? Again, I'm going on one person.

[00:10:56]Okay, may have been two, but I have to go with what I see with evidence I see and I see only one.

[00:11:04]So you know there are people who are trained to move a body, move a person.

[00:11:13]uh out of the house that that has been severely hurt and can't move themselves, can't walk or whatever. Um there's first responders, many many different types of first responders that learn how to move uh you know, an injured person out of a house. Does he have this kind of training? All right. I mean, it's uh, you know, very important to me because I just don't think this is your average guy.

[00:11:44]>> I don't think this is your average Joe.

[00:11:48]And he spent 45 minutes supposedly in the house. 40ome minutes. I mean, this is this is not your average uh your average guy here. This guy's had some training somewhere somehow moving stuff. I mean, he he really uh bottom line knew his business to get her from that bed out to that front uh front porch where obviously she was bleeding and then off into the night in some kind of vehicle. Mhm.

[00:12:25]>> So, I I'd like there to be more of a focus on the type of individual and how they were trained or how they learned to do this. I think that might get us closer, you know, to the why and the who.

[00:12:42]>> John, you always say the best predictor of present or future behavior is past behavior. Do you think that applies here?

[00:12:50]>> Absolutely.

[00:12:51]There's no doubt in my mind, this is not this guy's first rodeo. Like I said, >> and again, you know, like you just mentioned, I mean, the best predictor of present or future behavior is past behavior. And I'd be looking at this guy's past. I'd be looking at um, you know, a few different things in his past. I'd be looking at again um you know some kind of training and moving people >> uh somewhere. I'd be looking at um you know um a peeping tom kind of person, a voyer looking in windows. Okay. Because that first picture we have of him scoping the place out, right? I don't think that's the first time he's ever scoped a house out.

[00:13:43]Um I don't think uh NY's the first person he's ever looked at. Okay.

[00:13:50]Um when you talk about um you know the uh the uh other other uh parts of what's involved with being a peeping dom and scoping people out. I mean the bottom line is you know that lots of times people that become say addicted to this kind of fantasy of looking in windows and there are a lot people out there that are voyers um you know I mean you you got to understand that uh this is not this is not something that just happens. It's it's probably he's probably had this happen before and he may have been arrested for it. He may have been arrested for it.

[00:14:43]So, you know, the bottom line is that they could plead it down. Some lawyers could plead it down into a trespassing charge. Maybe they get him off a higher charge of uh you know, looking in windows and voyerism and get it pleaded down to a trespassing charge. So I would be all over different people in that particular area or and I would expand the area that have a history of trespassing or voyerism. That's something I'd be very focused on.

[00:15:16]>> Okay. So you think this guy has prior, you know, do you think he may have done something like this in the past? Not the voyerism, but you know, more serious as far as kidnapping somebody.

[00:15:30]>> I I I don't know if it'd be as serious as kidnapping somebody possibly, but we have we don't know of any cases u that are similar in the area so far.

[00:15:44]>> Um so I I'm not seeing him as a kidnapper.

[00:15:49]Uh I'm seeing him as a looker. Um, uh, definitely peeping Tom Voy kind of guy, but also I have to incorporate, um, you know, robbery in there too, you know, possible, uh, robbery, um, and possible, uh, assault of some kind. I mean, look at this guy's on the property. He's looking in at the property. He's probably looking in all the windows. He's got the place scoped out. I mean, that's what he did. That's why he's there. I mean, why is he there?

[00:16:25]Okay, he's scoping the place out. So, he's, you know, he has his reasons, you know, for why he is looking the way he's looking, you know, and um it could be his obsession with Nancy. It could be just that, you know, I am obsessed with this woman.

[00:16:47]you know, he could have this obsession for whatever reason. We don't know. And uh you know, he knew that she lived there alone and uh he was going to take her.

[00:17:03]>> Yeah. Do you think, this might be a weird question, but do you think he wanted to possess her or have her as a possession? I don't know. Well, you know, it it's not crazy at all >> because I mean, if we bring it down to the in degree and we just look at this stuff simply and for what it's worth, nothing was stolen out of that house but that we know of but Nancy, right?

[00:17:31]>> So, for whatever reason, he took her.

[00:17:34]Well, to take her is to possess her.

[00:17:38]Right.

[00:17:40]So now the thinking in the beginning was that he was going to take Nancy, his possession, and trade her for money, a kidnapping, okay, for ransom.

[00:17:54]Well, that didn't turn out. So the question is, what was important about possessing her?

[00:18:04]I mean, there's something really in his mind that was not only obsessive, but was invaluable to him about possessing her to himself physically.

[00:18:24]Mhm.

[00:18:25]>> So that's something we have to take into consideration here, >> you know, uh and and a lot of these guys, you know, have severe mental illnesses and um you know, that possession means quite a bit to them because it symbolizes something.

[00:18:52]um could have something to do um with Samantha Gutri, could not. Um but >> the bottom line is he wasn't possessing, you know, Samantha. He was possessing this woman. And of course, that's the closest thing he might be able to get to Samantha, but >> interesting.

[00:19:18]>> That's just uh that's just the way it goes, you know. Mhm.

[00:19:22]>> Yes. Yes. Possession to him is very important.

[00:19:29]>> Very interesting, John. Now, you always also mention this one quote from Silence of the Lambs. I believe it's um by Hannibal Lectar there. He says, "We begin by coveting what we see every day." You like to reference that quote there. So, what how does that connect to this case here? Can you explain that a bit? Again, it's like uh we coveret what we see daily.

[00:19:53]Um that is something that's really important to me because in order for him to steal uh Nancy out of that house, to covet Nancy out of that house, um to possess Nancy.

[00:20:18]Okay. He's got to see her.

[00:20:22]He's got to know of her, I believe, because he was as cool as could be hanging around that house until he went in and got her based on what we saw. And he knew she lived alone.

[00:20:39]I believe he saw her and knew her.

[00:20:43]And that's that has to do with him becoming obsessed and coveting or for whatever reason be I really believe that. I really believe that. And um you know it could somebody it could be somebody you know not so far away that did see her almost on a daily basis or something or had interaction with her. I'm not saying daily but somewhere along the line. Mhm.

[00:21:12]>> Um because he was obsessed with her and he wanted to possess her and um you usually have a reason for why you want to possess someone or possess things and um to you they're valuable for whatever reason or they're important.

[00:21:34]So in some respect, so I believe that um you know he knew her, he knew of her, knew about her, has seen her, definitely has seen her. Yeah, this guy has seen her before. Yes.

[00:21:52]>> Okay. And one last question for you today, John. It's been a while. Do you think this guy's going to act out again?

[00:22:00]What do you think?

[00:22:02]you know, if this is not a a situation where um you know, he's just obsessed and euphoric over possessing, you know, Nancy for whatever reason, if this is another type of crime where it's a burglary gone wrong or a sexual offense, um you know, something of that nature, nature. Uh, yes, you're definitely going to see him again. If it's about Nancy, um, you know, as a um, um, a a a piece of and part of uh, her famous daughter, then then you may not see it again. But I personally think that this guy is just really really hooked in if not addicted to this voyerism kind of acting out. And you know there's a reason for that. And again to covet to steal someone you have to see them. And and he's he's a looker.

[00:23:25]This guy's a looker. So, I I I'm not I won't be surprised on anything we hear.

[00:23:31]>> I won't be surprised. You know, time will tell.

[00:23:37]>> That's for sure. That's all I have for you to John today, John. Thank you. Is there anything else you wanted to talk about?

[00:23:45]>> You know, I don't think so. Um, you know, no, I don't I don't I don't think so. just that, you know, um I think people in that whole area should be on their toes and um be open to the possibility uh you know that uh this guy could not say he will but could strike again and and it could be in a whole other different area. Um, but they usually become addicted to this stuff and when they get the craving, there's there's not much they can do and they ask they like any other serial whatever. I mean, they continue to escalate whether you're a serial peeping tom or a serial thief or whatever the hell you are, you know, serial killer. I mean, they they seem to uh escalate, you know, they escalate their behavior. And I would just hope anybody that, you know, feels they know who this guy is really uh gets in touch with the police and, you know, they can become millionaires instantly.

[00:24:58]They can get out of jail free card on a case like this if they're doing some time now. People are out there that know this guy.

[00:25:06]>> Yep.

[00:25:07]>> We just got to figure out how and where they know him. And of course, my focus today is, you know, this guy learned how to move people somewhere [clears throat] >> and older people.

[00:25:25]>> You That's pretty That's a pretty fragile person to move.

[00:25:30]>> Yep. [snorts] >> So, with all that being said, I want to thank you so much. All good questions as always. I want to thank our audience.

[00:25:41]Please take care of yourselves.

[00:25:44]Keep your eyes open and uh you know make sure uh you know that uh you keep uh you keep yourself in good shape. And until we meet again, take care and God bless.