Chronic illness often stems from hidden environmental and physiological factors that conventional medicine overlooks. Low cortisol in the morning is more dangerous than high cortisol, as it disrupts blood pressure regulation and triggers adrenaline responses, causing 'tired but wired' symptoms. Histamine and mast cell activation syndrome explain many mystery symptoms including brain fog, anxiety, palpitations, bloating, skin issues, and hormonal chaos, and are often misdiagnosed as conditions like ADHD or Lyme disease. Environmental toxins such as toxic mold, parasites, and heavy metals accumulate in the body and can trigger histamine responses, creating a cycle of inflammation and chronic illness. Understanding these connections allows for more effective treatment by addressing root causes rather than symptoms.
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Why is cortisol good for you?
>> Everyone who's sick has a low cortisol awakening response. Everyone thinks cortisol is a doomsday horrible thing.
>> So, um, I figured this out, but low cortisol is more dangerous than high cortisol. And having low cortisol in the morning is horrible.
>> Do you have it low in the morning and high at night? Wrong. Yep.
>> It's got to be the other way.
>> Turns out genetically my body doesn't make enough cortisol. The the lesson here is that cortisol is >> You're listening to the human upgrade with Dave Asprey.
you actually surrendered your medical license because you gave people valid vaccine exemptions and they came after you.
>> Absolutely. You know, I was in um a very I would say latigious state of California and the medical board there is not easy on doctors. I believe it's actually created to get doctors in trouble and regulate doctors more so than anything else. I heard that there's a group of physicians actually coming after the California Medical Board for RICO, which is these basically anti-mob, anti-mafia statues. Do you think that they might be acting like the mob?
>> Yeah, I donated to that crew >> actually. I love it.
>> I know them very well. Many of them and I respect them and I think um they're the pioneers who really got um man did they get cancelled.
>> Oh yeah.
>> So So yeah, I think it's great what they're doing. I think there are mob tactics within the medical boards. There is an agenda that's greater than the medical boards in my opinion. Um I I was firsthand experienced. I saw it.
>> Which pharmaceutical company most owns the California Medical Board?
>> That's a good question. You know, I don't know that stat right off hand, but if I had to guess, I would say Fizer is a pretty good guess.
>> It it seems logical given the behavior there, but if you work for the California Medical Board or for Fizer, um there is karma. I just want to say given the stuff that you guys pulled on Jessica and just on the world um you're gonna have to change at least like the name of your company or something. Um >> yeah, Monsanto had to go to Bayer. So >> yeah, they did. Um I kind of feel like Fizer could just rename themselves like Cyclon B. Maybe think that would be a good name for them.
>> Much more direct.
>> Yeah.
>> So in case you are just tuning in, this is the trolling the California Medical Board episode with >> Dr. Now doctor, former doctor, now doctor again, Jessica Petra, who truly did during the pandemic, tell the California Medical Board to shove it because she wrote under her own authority as a doctor medical things that she's licensed to do that say it's bad for this patient to get injected.
And it turns out she was right. In fact, it was bad for everyone to get injected.
The statistics do not lie. The more COVID vaccines you got, the higher your odds of dying from anything, including stupidity. You weren't stupid for getting them, but the people who forced you to get them against your will, they were either the stupid ones or the evil ones. And we just have to say that maybe you don't have long co, maybe we're over that. And maybe you've learned the lesson that not only should you not get your fifth booster, you shouldn't date anyone who did either. There's a bunch of other stuff going on with people that have that that's been a part of both of our experience. Uh, the list would be toxic mold, parasites, viruses, >> heavy metals.
>> What am I missing?
>> Oh gosh, that's about all of them. I think maybe breast implants, root canals, EMF.
>> Oh, that's right. You got EMFs. What about dutyium?
>> Yeah, dutyium too.
>> I really think that's a thing. I I think there's one sociopathic guy who likes a lot of attention who just yells about it and has for years. We live in a blue light microwaved world and dutium will kill you. Dude, if you're a billionaire with stage four cancer and you can afford $10,000 a month in deterren depleted water, go for it. Otherwise, it's conspiracy. All right. Sorry.
>> Yeah. I don't think that can be like an answer magic pill for anyone. It's maybe a little something in somebody's toxin bucket.
>> It's a 2% move, right?
>> And not dutarium. We got EMFs.
>> Mhm. Root canals, teeth are >> root canals and these smoldering bacterial infections. It's a big thing.
What about jaw alignment? That's a big thing. Yes.
>> Okay. So, like your veagal nerve and all that.
>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That's a big thing. Each tooth has a nerve that goes up into the cranial cavity, which viruses, bacteria, cane transfers, by the way. And each tooth represents a meridian system or organ system within the body. It's like the foot, like a human human homunculus.
>> I thought you were a doctor. You can't say organ system tooth. What if they take your license for that?
>> Listen, I'm an MD that went woo. I don't know who's got a problem with it, but >> I really do. I appreciate you. like you have you have big balls. You literally are willing to just say things. Every Eastern practitioner, everyone who's studied embryology, what you just said, it's absolutely factually based, but man, you try and say that at Kaiser and watch what happens. Right.
>> I used to work for Kaiser. Go. I know exactly what you mean.
>> Wow.
>> I used to walk past the the patients rooms and just swipe the insurer right into the to right into the the trash can.
>> Wow.
>> As I went by, >> insure is like slim fast but worse.
That's a good analogy.
>> Oh, all right. This is totally unrelated to our interview. Can I share one of the big wins of my life? This is a real one, >> please.
>> Okay. When I was like 16 and I was really fat, I would use slim fasts to try and lose weight. It was like the whatever that was, the ' 80s or the late ' 80s, >> lowfat diets.
>> Yeah. And all this stuff. Well, I flew out to Bentville, Arkansas to Walmart to meet with the buyers because they were going to put Bulletproof on the shelves.
Back when I ran Bulletproof, guys.
Bulletproof have nothing to do with that company. Danger Coffee is my new company. But anyway, at the time it was all bulletproof. We're walking through the store and the buyer was gonna put a lot of my stuff in the stores. He goes, "Hey, check this out." And we stop at the shelf with Slimfast and I pick it up and I turn the label over and the ingredients say butter and MCT oil. I hack Slim Fast.
>> No way.
>> Absolutely. I mean, now it's going to work. Okay, guys. It's probably not good butter, probably not good MCT, crappy protein, whatever. But they copied the thing I invented and it made the world a better place. Honestly, isn't that cool?
>> That is actually Yeah, that's so cool actually that you influenced somebody like that because eventually if these companies are going to survive and change, they are going to have to be influenced by someone.
>> They have to do something that works. I mean, yes. I I mean, granted, I don't sell fest. I don't care. I just want people to do stuff that works. I mean, yes.
>> Yeah, we're not Slimfast fans, but I do approve that change.
>> And and insure and Sunfest, same thing.
You shouldn't give unsure to sick people or well people, right?
>> No. The the the ingredients are quite shocking actually. I mean, synthetic vitamins, garam, maltodextrin, high fructose corn syrup. I mean, it's seed oils all over the place. It's disgusting what we feed people that are sick in the hospital or with cancer.
>> It seems like it's going to change rapidly. Um, I interviewed the the new head of the FDA recently in DC and now they're telling hospitals you will have fresh food. I mean, it seems like a sea change.
>> It's interesting. And they're going to teach it at medical schools, I guess, now.
>> Yeah.
>> Hopefully they teach it to dietitians, too.
>> Yeah. I always feel bad for dietitians.
Like, they're the angriest people on the internet except for vegans. And there are a few functional dietitians. Fact, one works for me. But, uh, on average, they're the ones defending Diet Coke and McNuggets at hospitals and schools and saying, "I am a dietitian. I am licensed to tell people to eat crap." And I'm like, "You don't need a license to be an idiot."
>> Right. So brainwashed.
>> My mom was actually a dietitian.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> So now she says, "If you still believe in the I guess it's the old food pyramid at this point in time, but if you believe in the old food pyramid, it's like believing in Santa Claus." So I influenced my mom who is a dietitian. So there you go.
>> Oh my god. I love that.
>> There you go. And I might sound a little bit angry. Uh I'm actually I've done all my weird reset forgiveness work at 40 years, but I'm passionate and I did so many things wrong when I was 300 lb and I was desperate and I had that whole list of things we talked about every single one of them except breast implants.
>> Well, that's good. I haven't thought about that one at least.
>> Yeah, I dodged that bullet.
>> Did you have root canals?
>> Um I had a lot of dental misalignment.
Um I didn't have an infection under my teeth.
>> That's good. Um, but I did have mercury poisoning from fillings I had to deal with and all that. I was in Scottsdale.
I had a salad. Woke up the next morning, disaster pants like 10 15 times a day and it didn't stop. So, I went and I got all the diagnostic things and for eight months no one could tell me what it was.
>> Wow.
>> And I finally found this old guy, old Irish guy, uh, I'm not sure he's still there, um, in uh, New York City who used to run public health for the state of New York for years. And he goes like, "Ah, these young docks, they don't know what they're doing. If you want to find a good parasite, you got to go to the source. It's not going to come out. Bend over."
>> Oh, yeah.
>> He sticks a camera. Fortunately, it's a new camera, not the old big ones in there. And he goes, "Yep, there it is.
10 inches in.
>> Call me in two hours. I'll tell you what you got."
>> And I had two different parasites, giardia and uh still some kind of a thing that burrows through >> your gut lining and then uh can go to your brain. and he gave me the right drugs and I was fine in two days. But it took me eight months. Me, okay, I know everyone. Okay. I sent samples off to Africa. Y >> So that was a parasite. And he said, "Oh, it just came in because well, if you just arrive in the US from Latin America, the worst job and the entry- level job is the 3:00 a.m. chop the salad job and that's why you got it."
>> Oh my gosh.
>> And I'm like, I'm never eating salad again.
>> Yeah. I I knew this. I knew when you said the story started out, I ate a salad where it was going already. So that's interesting. A guy in New York did this. Was he an MD?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> He was >> Was he a proctologologist?
>> No, he was a uh he wrote six textbooks on tropical medicine. I mean, this is an epic human being. Um I want to I'd have to look his name up. It was a very common Irish name. Klein. Oh, I'm sure some people know of him, but one of the living legends of parasettology, it turns out, and in his 80s and still practicing and working with the Maharishi Foundation on world peace.
just like like I love that there are people like that.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh but okay, if someone with my resources, my connections, >> if I can't solve a parasite problem, how many people in the US have parasites and have no clue?
>> So many. First and foremost, let's go over the the things people say to me.
First of all, we're in the United States. We can't get parasites. Okay.
Why? Because our food source is so great here now. Because parasites understand borders.
It's funny. In Mexico, they give you Vermox once a quarter, which is a drug you can buy at any pharmacy that deworms you. In China, they send everybody a deworming pill every few months. I don't >> dear Do we deworm our dogs here?
>> Yeah, those couldn't get into us, could they?
>> We're in the same ecosystem, so it seems plausible to me. But yeah, definitely people need to understand this does happen. If you eat sushi, let your dogs lick you in the face. You're immuno compromised. you have other things in your toxin bucket, other frenemies. It's going to be a problem with parasites because they are opportunistic. They do steal your nutrients, right?
>> So, >> are parasites actually an STD?
>> Some of them, yes, some of them can be.
It's awful because we don't test for that down, do we? We also don't test for them in the water supply.
>> It's a major thing. Cryptosperidium in water and in cats, right?
>> Yeah. Oh, toxopplasmosis in cats, right?
That's why we don't let pregnant women clean out litter boxes. Actually, >> you know, I wrote that my very first book, The Better Baby Book. Like, there's really good evidence. If you are pregnant, you probably shouldn't be around indoor cats at all because of this. The number of hate emails I got from people who already had toxoplasmosis that made them angry. It was crazy.
>> How dare you talk about my parasite in my brain. Yeah, but that's the thing.
It's really common. It goes flies under the radar because most people's immune system has got it. Most people. But you may have symptoms like high risk takingaking behavior, driving a car really fast, sexual activity that is not really you shouldn't be doing um gambling and they may even appear bipolar at certain periods of time. And this is the parasite in their brain from cats. Absolutely. More common in feral cats, but absolutely you can get if you let your indoor cats outside >> and you're imuno compromised. This is very common and it's documented in the science. Actually, >> it's funny that rats or mice who have toxoplasmosis are the ones who are going to go out there and like torment the cat. So, they'll get eaten and they don't choose to torment the cat. The >> the parasite takes over their brain.
>> Yeah. And it says because the parasite's actual host is the cat. It wants to be in the cat.
>> So, it actually sacrifices the rat by controlling its brain.
>> Do you think Biden might have had toxoplasmosis?
>> He's got something. I don't know what it is. He's a He's either clone or he's got to talk. I'm not sure yet. And then there's Camala. What parasite makes you unable to complete a sentence? That makes sense.
>> Many of them actually, multiple ones, but yeah, I definitely think there's a big parasite in her intestines. It's probably as long. It's probably at least 30 feet long.
>> I love this. Uh we are so inappropriate and we have no evidence that either one of them has parasites. We just have evidence that they have cognitive dysfunction. And I'm not joking about that. You can tell by speech patterns.
Yes.
>> Whether someone's brain is working. They were cooked. I don't know why. I don't know who, but you can spot cooked. your doctor.
>> Yeah, there's something definitely not right in the people in power. Something is definitely a miss >> for sure. And at the same time, I have seen some incredibly good people, especially lately. Like the the shifts in the FDA, I my head was spinning after I I spent quality time understanding the motivations and like who they were and why they like wow. I don't know if the whole organization is fixed. It's going to take a while, but man, the leadership, they're on the good they're on the good guys side in a way that I I'm incredibly happy.
>> Yeah, absolutely. It's different for sure.
>> Do you think that the FDA should push for deworming of the entire country the way every other country does except some in Europe?
>> I think the conversation should be opened up. You know, obviously it's been a tabby topic. No one talks about it.
Everyone thinks that we're quacks if we talk about it. Um, and no one entertains that possibly our test could be inaccurate. Possibly our tests are sorely inaccurate in the United States.
>> Probably. Yes.
>> Why are US tests for parasites not working?
>> Well, first and foremost, a lot of them were PCR and we saw how great the pymerase chain reaction was during COVID. It was stellar now, wasn't it?
>> Oh, yeah. 80% of people who were diagnosed with COVID by nasal swab didn't have it. There's that. PCR failed.
>> There's that. And the way that test works is it takes a little piece of genetic material and it exponentially amplifies that. you know, four 416 goes up and up and up up and, you know, sometimes things are missed in that genetic code. So, they splice that in to fill in the gaps. So, oftentimes there are big problems with that test. The other thing, our parasites are as old as we are. Do you think they're bad at their job at hiding within the body?
They're not bad at it at all and they hide under the immune system. They are tests are not accurate. OA and parasites, you can give them times three and still it won't show up.
>> So, you know, you really have to have someone looking. That's the lost art of paracettology.
>> I just assume I have parasites and I did what any good biohacker would do. I did a lot of research and then I went and I ordered all of the anti parasite drugs that kill everything from India.
>> Oh no.
>> And I put together a protocol that says take this for 3 days, wait 10 days to kill the eggs. I'm I'm just going to carpet bomb those little bastards. Good idea or bad idea?
>> Bad idea.
>> I haven't done it yet. I just haven't sitting on my shelf. So tell me why it's a bad idea.
>> Don't do it yet. Well, you might be in better shape than a lot of people, but >> Oh, because of the toxin release, it could mess you up.
>> Totally. Yeah. So, I have an order of operations. I go in to help prep the body a little bit. It's nicer, you know, because if you just go do it that way, people will be so sick that they they literally won't talk to you anymore.
They'll quit the protocol. They won't want to be your friend.
>> Herzimer is a thing.
>> It's a thing. Healing de detox reactions. So, really, what you want to do is you want to calm down the inflammation in the body. calm down any histamine response because let me let's be honest, parasites set off the first line defense in the body which is histamine appropriately. So calm that down, calm down inflammation, get that person back into rest and digest. It's the only place they can heal. They're running around like a chicken with their head cut off and they're in functional freeze, >> right?
>> They cannot.
>> Okay. You got to be healthy enough to get rid of things. Yes. Okay. I totally support that.
>> Yeah. You have to poop, you have to sweat, your liver and bile have to be working. And if you don't, you kill things off and they recirculate through the body and then you feel like you have the flu.
>> Yeah, this happened a lot in my my 20s when I realized I had mold and mercury and lead >> um and actually lime too, which is a really Lyme disease is caused by toxic mold in my world.
>> Yeah.
>> But I I was going through miserable just incredible exhaustion and brain fog and you try to make do something that makes you better and the next day you got to go to work and there are days I don't even know how I got to work. I'm sure I drove but I don't remember it. Right.
Yeah. Just completely dissociated in another realm. Yeah. My all my patients.
>> Okay. So, and and for people listening like, "Yeah, I thought you were healthy." No, I was 300 lb brain fog. I bought disability insurance when I was 26 cuz the lab test said I was fine, but I'm like, I don't know what's going on, but I do not feel fine. And um well, I I think I still have that insurance, but it's probably a good investment. You can be like desperately ill and say, "I want to do something that's going to make me better." walk me through what happens when someone kills a parasite before they're ready.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, if you guys just go napoming the whole body with antiparasitics, whether that be even sometimes prescription medications.
>> That's what I was going to do.
>> Yeah. Those are a little bit better.
They don't cause some of the side effects that the herbs do.
>> And black walnut hole is not that good for the liver, right?
>> It is. Those things can be hard, right?
So you know you really if you do that and you're not ready even with conventional medications you can really experience what you called Herxheimer symptoms which is where let's say you start killing things off parasites produce ammonia as a byproduct right so there's a lot of nasty parasite poop things that are released when you start killing them off >> and then if you can't poop or sweat that things don't leave your body they got to what's inside has to leave or your body's going to see the problem set off the inflammation cascade And the body is what makes you feel poorly. It is the body's natural immediate inflammation response, which we need acute inflammation, just not chronic. And that looks like things like headaches, >> nausea, um brain fog that's worsening.
Maybe you might have an irritability to sound and light.
>> Huge one. I used to get that a lot.
>> Yes, that's right. It's very common.
People don't understand that can be a healing detox reaction. You really feel like you got not hit by a bus.
Um it's and it can take months to heal from that.
>> Yes. And and what you'll notice is when people are killing parasites, their symptoms will kick up about a week before the full moon and a week after.
And during that full moon, because that's where parasites life cycle and re they're reproducing, they're I call it parasite party. They're out from their hiding places. So it's easy to kill them, but as you're killing them, the body's inflammation cascade is going to be even worse. So those people, my patients around the full moon, we kind of double up on the cleansing, man.
They'll be like, "My back hurts. My knees hurt." I'm like, "It's the full moon." They're like, "What?" I'm like, "Yes." So, this is what this is.
>> Are parasites the reason that people go crazy on full moons?
>> You know, it's a real thing that the emergency department is busier in the full moon. It really is.
>> I witnessed it firsthand on call when that happens. Yes. All the time. And people nurses have jokes about it. So, yes, actually people are more awake.
They can't sleep. They have more anxiety. They're more >> parasites.
>> I can't blame all the parasites on it.
But it is partially >> it could be like parasites and the government, which is another form of parasite. That would probably sp >> There are human or microscopic parasites. That's true. I've experienced those two.
>> I guess I'm feeling really libertarian.
I'm not liar.
>> I mean, you're kind of spicy today. I like it.
>> It's uh I got to have more nicotine.
>> Maybe I need some of that.
>> Is nicotine good for you?
>> Great question. It's been really great throughout CO.
>> Oh. Uh >> oh. Yeah, it has.
>> Did it help you during CO?
>> Yeah, I've been using nicotine for more than 10 years at low doses after I interviewed the guy who did the first study in 1986 going, "Oh, you don't get Alzheimer's if you do it." I'm paraphrasing or Parkinson.
>> And do you feel like you're addicted to it?
>> Um, I have gone through cycles of being addicted to it. I'm also addicted to sleeping in water like like I don't understand why people are afraid of being addicted to something that makes you live longer and highdose nicotine bad smoking bad lowd dose nicotine neuroprotective and also helped to block COVID from hitting A2 receptors like it seems like it was not a bad thing >> it's not a bad thing it actually it we were flabbergasted as physicians that people who were smokers during CO did better than non-smokers like what the hell >> that's so irritating >> it's like gross right it's disgusting who likes smoking and these people just like oh they didn't go on a ventilator they did great coed their body for two days like what gives and it's because the A2 receptor combines with nicotine receptor to cause a problem within CO and the nicotine patch that you have right now y >> is actually helping to knock the spike protein out. It really helps people.
>> I've done a lot of oral nicotine.
There's a p the alp pouches. Um there's a spray and nasal spray. Like I I I'm actually shamanically trained to do Hape ceremonies and >> I love Hape.
>> I I think it's >> I've done it.
>> Yeah. It It's a consciousness drug and it's been a part of human evolution. And the the government's God, what country was this? Was it the UK? Somewhere.
They're saying permanent ban on tobacco or nicotine for anyone born after 2008.
I'm like whoever.
>> Yeah. This just got announced.
>> How do they do that?
>> Well, they can't. No government has the right to do that. So it's like the government can say that the sky is made out of unicorn fairies. It's not. You don't have that right. You can't say that and you can say it. Actually, you can you can say whatever you want, but you simply don't have the right. So lying and claiming the right doesn't work. So if you're born after 2008 and you want to protect your nervous system, replace your politicians and replace your government at that point.
>> There we go.
>> They said it. I love it. Yep. So nicotine. Yeah. I don't think I know to answer your question. I don't think it's bad for people. It's the Goldilocks dose that you're looking for, right? Not too much, not too little, right? Just right.
And I'm sure you found that perfect dosage for you over the years.
>> Well, I did a lot of research on it. And I will say that physiological addiction starts above 5 milligrams a day. And you can actually go 10 one day. Just don't do it every day. And that's, you know, a pouch or three depending on the size of the pouch. Um, and that's it. And you got to stop. But if you go above that, you will get physiologically addicted, >> which may not be a bad thing.
>> Uh, but if you go up to, you know, 100, >> ooh, I would be so queasy and nauseous.
Right.
>> You would. I did have one guy on on the show um who was using levels in the 80s and he said it helped him I maybe for some people but I I do have concerns about blood pressure not necessarily raising blood pressure I think that's good for a lot of people it's too low >> agreed >> um but um I do think that microirculation could be affected and get ED and hair loss from way too much nicotine so don't do that >> nobody wants that yeah I agree >> you something really so you're allowed to say this because you threw your medical license in the trash. You can speak truthfully. Can we talk about the epidemic of low blood pressure?
>> Yes, we can actually. And low cholesterol, too, with that.
>> Yes. Okay.
>> Ridiculous.
>> Tell me more.
>> So, you know, they've lowered the reference ranges throughout the years.
>> Cholesterol and both.
>> Yeah. I think they're just lowering it lowering cholesterol again. Lowering LDL again.
>> Who is it? Is it like the AHA?
>> Yeah, they Yeah.
>> Well, who listen to those guys anymore?
>> It's true, right? Which Cheerios is hard healthy. It's like if you go to the trade union, you're like, "Should hourly wages be higher?" They're like, "Yeah, okay, cool." Well, this is the AHA is just them doing the same thing.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Screw those guys. They have no credibility. They've had 70 years to lower the risk of heart disease and they failed. So, like the CDC >> lifestyle modifications, but at this point, it's all about being a pharmaceutical drug pusher. Even for me as a hospitalist and trained in internal medicine, that's all I did in chronic health was be a drug pusher. Let's be real. Discharge people on 50 medications. You know, 10 of them are blood pressure medications. Go walk 15 and minutes after meals. Get high dose minerals and calm your nervous system and vag nerve.
>> I love this because you've lived like the dark side.
>> Yeah.
>> And you came over. Tell me the prescription one more time for people have high blood pressure.
>> You know it works. I can't say you're going to be 100% of the time, but most people you can start with these foundations.
>> Tell just say it again. What is it?
>> Yes. Walk 15 minutes to 20 minutes after every meal. Help your blood sugar too.
Um, you know, also highdose minerals, okay, high dose. You already know if you go with a hypertensive crisis in the ER, they're going to give you a magnesium IV. They're going to give you IV magnesium, okay? So, that tells me magnesium isn't the only mineral that helps with blood pressure. There's a bunch of other ones that we forget about.
>> In fact, if if you were to drink some Danger Coffee, there's 50 different trace minerals in meaningful doses in there for a reason.
>> That's right.
>> Yeah. That's right. And those aren't actually technically, well, some of them are, but most of them aren't electrolytes, but they're minerals your body needs.
>> That's right.
>> And then the big four electrolytes people need, what are they?
>> Oh gosh. Sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium that forms a calcium shell on our hair mineral test and they're in flight or fight. If they don't have those, that means you're so so stressed out that you're dumping all your minerals out your kidneys in the urine and you can't hold your blood pressure and you can't hold your heart rate. We see in postural orthostatic tacocardia.
We see in people who are stressed out.
We see this all the time. So if you have low blood pressure, first of all, check your nervous system. That's the other one. The vagus nerve. Highdose minerals.
I mean, boron, malibdum, magnesium, selenium, iodine, chromium.
>> Minerals 101. I make those. Do you make those, too?
>> Yes.
>> What What's yours called?
>> Elemental edge.
>> There you go.
>> And they're like 300 to,000% higher than the RDA. Why? Cuz the RTA is buck. I said it.
>> Oh my gosh. Do you feel dirty?
>> I actually feel really clean. Is that bad?
Uh yeah, the RDA is avoid dying from a deficiency if you're an average person.
And even something as stupid as vitamin D levels in the RDA. It's low for everyone, but if you're black, the RDA for vitamin D is going to be different than if you don't have any melanin in your skin and you're white. So maybe putting an average number in there is a disservice to every human.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So it's just wrong.
>> Another predictor of horrible severe COVID, low vitamin D. Right. so important. And it's not just about taking vitamin D and getting out in the sun. It's about all the other minerals that activate vitamin D. It's about are you able to absorb it through the receptor? Are you able to absorb and assimilate it and process it in the body?
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>> I'm doing I think since we we last met um I'm doing a very high-end medical concierge life extension program called unlimited.life >> love >> with medical doctors seen two heads of states and top coaches and it's a it's a big program and I've gone through lab work genetics like $40,000 worth of lab work for each member. So I'm like I have everything and now we can really biohack. Got back to everything. It's so fun. Uh, and yeah, I'm not a doctor, but you know, I get to do my biohacking pathways with a doctor. And so, you know, it's the most fun I've had in years. And the changes in people are crazy. But the number of people who have vitamin D gen that I have also where I need 10 to 15,000 units to get my levels where they should be, and other people need usually five. And >> you can't tell until you test.
>> That's right.
>> Right.
>> That's right.
>> And and then I would say a third of our members are dealing with low blood pressure, not high blood pressure. And some of them a few a smaller number have high blood pressure which is easily treatable today.
>> Easy, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Uh and so I'm just I'm kind of stunned when you look at it. And then the B vitamins almost everyone's on folic acid and has to stop.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> Talk about that.
>> Yeah. That's so actually in fact two days ago I saw a patient a breast cancer patient who got breast cancer after co vaccines.
>> Shocking.
>> Shocking and horrible. It's horrible. It makes me so upset. She um was on folic acid.
>> Oh, that can make it much worse.
>> You're on folate? No. Folic acid. Who puts you on that?
>> The stuff they put along with iron filings in cereal.
>> Yeah. I'm like, "Oh my god, it's totally synthetic. There's nothing natural about it." And if you have, you know, two or more of the alals for MTHFR, then you're just turning this into inflammation within the body. It's not even being processed to help you out. And B vitamins are sorely needed in someone with breast cancer who's estrogen dependent um estrogen receptor dependent can't detox estrogen through phase one phase 2 liver detox. Right. So >> what percentage of women have a hard time detoxing estrogen because of their genetics?
>> So many I mean it's I would say 80 to 90% of people have some alil of the MTHFR gene. Right. But let me just be the first to say here that just because you have the gene doesn't mean it's turned on or active.
>> Exactly.
>> Right. You can get your genetics all day long. I can look at them and be like, "Okay, you have a risk for this. Doesn't mean it's turned on." I mean, people freak out. I have the APOE gene. I have a 60 to 80% of chance of Alzheimer's.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Your genes respond to the environment. They are turned on by the environment and your lifestyle and your choices. Let's not freak out that this is a death sentence just yet, right?
>> It's like this. You're flying a fighter jet. It has a seat ejection button, but if you don't push the button, the seat's just fine.
>> I like that.
>> Right. Like it's not that hard. It's a chance.
>> Yes, that's right. And so so many of these women, they have this gene mutation. And I'll give you an example.
When I had my Dutch test done in 2017, I had 90% methylation in phase 2. I was like, >> "Yeah, I'm a biohacker badass."
>> Yeah, that's right. Amazing. But then I went through seven years of pretty much torture. It's under my medical license.
Shareholders stole my supplement company out from under me. I went through a miscarriage. I had a six-year breakup.
My dog died of a brain tumor. That sounds like a country song.
lost everything.
>> Oh my god.
>> But I did a Dutch test again. I was at like 10% methylation.
>> Stress will do it.
>> I mean, it turned that gene on like rampant. And so I still have problems methylating. Like I still have a little trouble keeping my MCV down at this point.
>> You still stressed?
>> No, you don't seem stressed.
>> Don't I'm not stressed. I'm much more grounded than I was before, actually.
So, but that was what made me create a methylated B vitamin product for was because I needed it so bad. Um, and you know what people don't understand is you can go to your doctor all day and get depressed with anxiety and depression.
If you have a B vitamin deficiency like I did, that will make you suicidal.
>> Oh my gosh, >> I was suicidal.
>> Wow. I'm glad you're here. You're doing good work.
>> Thanks. Yeah. So, it's a lot of women out there that can't methylate and then wonder why their estrogen's off the charts, their hormones are a mess, their mental health isn't where it should be.
And it's if if the doctors would just stop getting blood hormones and just every once in a while not knowing how to read them and actually get some functional tests to look at detox pathways and make a difference.
>> I learned about methylated B vitamins a long time ago and we we've seen a lot about autism and folinic acid.
>> Yes.
>> My first book in 2011 that came out was the better baby book and my advice was if you don't want to have a kid with autism take fenic acid when you're pregnant and like man I called that ahead of the curve. Yeah, you that is an amazing call actually because I tell that to people nowadays.
>> It it's a it's not the only thing that's it's just reduced risk. It's it's don't throw those switches. But then years later, I started this product or I created this product called Fat Water >> and it won like the best new innovative beverage award from the beverage association and it's not available anymore. It was really cool because it had tiny droplets of MCT oil that acted like electrolytes. Ah, >> and >> I said, "Well, I'm going to put methylated B vitamin in it, especially B6, the normal form of B6 and all the energy drinks. I believe it's toxic for everyone. We can talk about that."
>> Peroxidane.
>> Yeah. Peroxidane. So, I said, I'll put in P5P, which is the kind biohackers take.
>> Yes.
>> And I wasn't allowed to do it legally.
>> Right. So, you would never know this unless you're deep in the bowels of the CPG industry. But the reason was that there is no assay to determine the concentration of P5P when it's diluted that much. So, I couldn't confirm that I put it in there. I I could testify that I put it in there. I could measure when I put it in, but I couldn't prove it was there later. They wouldn't let me sell it. So, I didn't put any B vitamin in it because >> um pyrooxine, the kind that's in every drink and most supplements, it's not good for you. Why is B6 toxic?
>> Well, that's a synthetic form. It's not natural, right? So it can actually build up in the body that people have trouble detoxing it out their tissues and then they have this weird symptom like this burning neuropathy pain that will not go away and burning nerve pain like torture >> and it's I feel so bad for these people cuz I've heard it more and more recently actually.
>> Vodoxine B6 the kind that's in a lot of the expensive supplements you take. Not mine, not yours.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, it'll stick to your we'll call them B6 receptors. And yes, I'm simplifying. If you're going to try and yell at me, you can. I don't care. But it'll stick to those for about a thousand days.
>> A thousand.
>> Yeah. And about 10% of the B6 that you take can be converted into P5P if you methylate properly. But then the receptors are already all jammed up.
>> Yep.
>> So this is why people get peripheral neuropathy, which means numb, tingling, painful hands and feet. That's right.
>> And sometimes 10 milligrams is enough to do it. And it sticks around for a long time. And I see some people, oh, there's just a little. I don't want just a little. I don't want any B6 in anything unless it's B5B because it's bad for people.
>> It's bad. It's you guys are trying to take B vitamins often times to get rid of neuropathy >> and it causes it.
>> It's like, oh my gosh. Yeah, that too.
And folate and folinic acid. I'm glad you brought that up. I'm actually changing to get to folinic acid instead of B9 folate in my elemental edge, but felinic acid is a nice gentle way for um people with um the diagnosis of autism even. It's shown in the studies.
>> Well, I did have autism as a kid.
>> Did you? Where were you diagnosed?
>> Asperger syndrome. Yeah.
>> Yeah. and I don't meet the clinical criteria anymore. But it took about 10 years of fixing my mitochondria, cleaning out my nervous system of all the toxins and then reprogramming my movement, my hearing, my sight, the way my tongue moves. Like it was a lot of work. I still have some of the autism superpowers, but uh yeah, I'm I'm a pretty different human than you you would have seen as the engineer writing code as a hacker in the >> in the 90s. Yeah, >> I I actually love the characteristics of people like that. like I jam out with you guys very much. But yeah, I think that people don't understand it's not just one thing.
>> Have you ever been tested for autism?
>> No, but I could be.
>> It's hard to spot in women. You guys mask differently than men do.
>> Yeah. I I know quite a few really successful, brilliant women who are clearly on the spectrum.
>> I mean, I guess I wouldn't be surprised.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, I should maybe test.
>> You have a good brain. You have a unique way of thinking, obviously. You You should test and just see. Are you hyper mobile?
>> Um, a little bit. Yeah, I'm really good at yoga.
>> Get some pots.
>> No pots. I'm a warrior genotype. So, >> warrior helps. Talk about the genotypes.
We do that in unlimited life. Warrior versus warrior. Talk about >> Yes. Yes. Yes. So, I hate to call them warriors. I'm sorry, guys. Let's just say you're more aware.
>> What's wrong with warriors? Warriors.
>> Warriors.
>> You know what? Why do we use that?
Warrior, warrior. So, what we're talking about is people who worry and people who are like, I got this.
>> Yeah. And I have been tested when I got my 23 and me back. And yes, China knows how to kill me now. I know Merc knows how to kill me.
>> They knew how to kill you before anyway.
They just make easier for them. Here's my DNA. So anyway, when I came back on the on the the whole thing, the whole thing it gave me, it said at the top, you are a warrior genotype. And this was years ago. I was like, what does that mean? Because you us medical doctors aren't taught these things. So I go research and I'm like, wow. Okay. So I have a fast comp T gene, which means that I can burn through adrenaline, nor adrenaline um really quickly. So it doesn't affect me and my brain and my body where it very well. I can keep fighting and going even in a lot of stress. It does get to you eventually.
Let me tell you, but you can go a little longer. A worrier or a slow comp tee are people that can't break those down as well. And so they kind of stay a little more pinged or hypervigilant.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah.
>> So they worry a lot. And you can see the difference in the life when we go through our patient population. It's it's really it's really amazing. The reason you gave back your medical license was because of your genotype, wasn't it?
>> We can call it that. Sure. Yeah. You know, when that happened, I was just like, you know what? I'm not making money this way anymore. I'm seeing patients because I like doing it. It's a passion of mine. I like to help people.
I'm not doing this because you think you've got me the noose around my neck.
Watch this. I don't kiss the ring of a corrupt king.
>> Here's your medical license, >> man.
>> And you know what happened? That I had a mediation with the judge. She had me on the call with a medical board of California's lawyer and um Tessa Hunig was her name. And then you >> make fun of her on the call. Well, I wrote a whole blog about her and what a coward she was. It's still on my blog site and I refer to everyone who asked me anything about it. Here's Well, you can read what happened. I didn't have it taken away from me. Like they said, they put disciplinary surrender after I voluntarily surrender my license as a FU to me, I'm sure. But yeah, but you know, I was on the call with a judge and the two lawyers and the judge said, "You know what? You don't have to do this.
You can take our punishment. You can take our three years probation. you can take 50 hours about re-education and a stipulated license with no vaccine exemptions. And I said, "Yeah, I know I can do that, but I don't want to, and here's why." And she gave me the microphone. And she let me get on the stage and talk. And then I was like, "Oh, y'all are in trouble." I was like, "Listen, you know, this is an agenda.
Look how many people have already gotten sick from the COVID vaccine. We've been doing this with children for years, for years. We've been doing the same thing to kids, and you know, you're part of this agenda, and Tessa is too, and you guys are on the wrong side of history, and you're going to know about it." And I said, and Tessa says, I have to you have to test every incipient in a vaccine to see if there's an allergy or not. You think that's the way the human body works? It reaches a limit and breaks where it's out of homeostasis.
There's not going to be an overt allergy to every incipient this vaccine. Get out of here. You don't know how the body works clearly. And I spoke like that for 10 minutes to the judge. Wow.
>> And when I was done, she went uh uh uh uh cuz she knew I had points.
>> Yep. Wow. And they still >> proceeded. Yeah, of course.
>> This is why judges shouldn't be >> just doing their job, Dave. They're just doing their job.
>> Yeah, judges really shouldn't be allowed to judge medical stuff unless they are well-rounded physicians, right?
>> Well, you know, all the people in the hospital that wear suits shouldn't be able to do that either. But that's how the whole health care system, sick care system is run.
>> It's uh it's one reason not to get sick.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I could take care of yourself because really, I'd only go there if it was an emergency. If I broke a leg or, you know, had a physical injury, that's the only time.
>> I do have to say that our ability, if if someone is, you know, slammed against the wall or really seriously injured, our hospitals are amazing. They've got it down. And I I've I was married to an ER doctor for 17 years.
>> Oh, I didn't know that.
>> My former wife was was an ER doc >> and and she actually moved to look at uh preconception and fertility. uh more recently, >> but just understanding our capabil it's it's phenomenal. It's as as cool as, you know, self-driving cars, what we can do in hospitals. But I don't want to knock them. It's just if you go there and say, "Can you tell me what to eat?" It it's like I don't go to the mechanic to to get my haircut. It's It's not the same thing.
>> No, it's not. It's not about health.
It's a business. And I'll be the first to tell people even, you know, even in my training, I trained at the VA hospital. It's really tough. what happens to our veterans and knowing that the system chooses the most affordable and cheapest drug to give them, not the most efficacious.
>> So, that's how we treat our veterans, unfortunately.
>> It's it's unfortunate. My dad's a veteran and goes to the VA. Well, you can't afford to give you things that work, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. And and that said, I have met with a few people in the government looking to fix the VA because >> giving slightly more expensive drugs once versus cheap drugs 10 times is actually economically better and it's nicer to our veterans who are some of the most mistreated people in the country.
>> Amen to that. I love that mission because I was deeply disturbed in residency seeing what was going on at that hospital to the veterans.
>> Now, I'm just going to ask this question cuz I know the answer. How moldy was the hospital where you worked?
>> Oh my god, it was >> How did I know?
>> Yeah, I don't know how everybody ended up with like Legionnaire's disease and all the units because of everything that came out of those HVAC units. I don't even know.
>> Yep.
>> So, it was so bad. I could I remember sleeping on call and they have like these little bunk beds that barely have a sheet on them and like if you're lucky, you can scr or throw a pillow up somewhere, but it would smell like and I'm a warrior genotype. That means I don't smell very well. of a little bit of a nosmia because I don't have to. My body gets rid of it. Right? If you have a town dog nose, you smell everything.
Your body's warning you get the heck out of dodge because I can't process and get rid of this. And I could still smell the mold in the hospitals. So yeah, I mean there have been a couple um I think news stories in recent years about how hospitals have been in trouble for moldy environments, >> hospitals and barracks. And I I've talked with a guy in high up in the Marines. We have a serious problem with troop readiness in the US because most people under 40 are not healthy enough to actually be in the military.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> And then you put them in barracks that are absolute mold bombs. Mold poisons mitochondria and it makes people tired, weak, anxious, and a whole host of things that that you've talked I've talked about for years.
>> That's right.
>> Yeah. And so you take people who are marginally healthy and you put them in the worst environment possible. And these people, we don't know what to do.
But there are now environmental solutions that are cheap and incredibly effective. Like I'm I'm now an investor in a company called Superstratum.
They've been on the show.
>> It was Super What?
>> Superstratum.
>> Okay. I just found them and just reached out to them.
>> Great.
>> I love what they're doing with hypocchloric acid.
>> You I I went to a a place um in the Amazon and it's a rainforest. I used to live in a rainforest in Canada, too. And everything's moldy. Y right. I'm like, uh, I can smell a little bit here. So, they got the super stratum uh bombs and this is chlorine gas. You can't be in there, but it penetrates everything. And I went back to the same room, completely pristine, and then you hypocchlor. So, and it doesn't cost much. And you you spray the stuff on that's non-toxic and no mold will grow under any circumstances. Or bacteria for 10 years.
>> I must be an ambassador for them because I I love it. Yeah.
>> Um, and so we've got to help our troops and our kids in schools. What school maintains its roofs? Like it's it's disgusting.
>> There's all kinds of stories about this.
There's a story about a documentary. I can't remember. I'll think of the name in a minute.
>> Is it moldymov.com by the chance?
>> No, but I know that one too. This one was actually next to a landfill. These kids were next to a landfill and everyone like 30 teachers got cancer and the kids were like coughing and they would be like it smells like poop in the air, right? Because literally next to a landfill and we wonder why that everyone's getting sick with cancer. So, it's it shouldn't be a surprise that these environmental toxins can be a problem. And yet, it still is. Still, my colleagues gaslight people and tell them mold just causes allergies.
>> How many kids diagnosed with ADHD actually have mold poisoning?
>> So many. Yeah. So many. It's ridiculous.
It's Okay, first of all, can you clarify for me how distractability can be a disease? How is this a disease? Is it just me?
>> I as someone who used to have ADHD and there are ways to train around it.
Here's what ADHD really means. It means that you can't force them to pay attention to boring, stupid stuff they don't care about. That would be a high quality. But a normal muggle, you can tell them, "Look at that. Pay attention." And they'll just do it for hours. And >> NPC, >> do they do they not have any internal like desire to focus on things that matter?
>> I don't understand it.
>> I That's what I mean. It can't be a disease. I don't understand. And you know what it is a lot is people have mold colonized here. Yes. spike protein colonized here. They're mouth breathing at night. Well, imagine that you would have micro awakenings all night. You feel tired when you can't focus. You don't have ADHD. You don't have ADHD.
>> And then sometimes there's a mix of trauma in there, >> right? A little bit of trauma that makes people dissociate, not want to be present.
>> I had some of that PTSD from birth. Yep.
>> That's right. That's the combination right there. You had the perfect combo.
>> You know, I've been taping my mouth for 10 years now. When I go to sleep, I put in a bike guard, too, so my trigeminal nerve doesn't in get inflamed and hit my veagal nerve. And the difference in quality of life for that, the ability to be focused, it's pretty amazing.
>> It's pretty amazing. I wish people would It's so simple. Everyone has the afford can has the means to be able to find something to tape their mouth and see what happens. But yeah, it's there's no ADHD. It's what we're feeding children.
It's what their mouth breathing. It's um their their trauma. It's it's um Epstein bar and other viruses colonizing their tonsils and adoids that are huge. Come on.
>> You think we call it a tea bar instead of Epstein bar? Just wondering. I kind of >> Isn't it the same? That's an interchangeable word.
>> I hate fake longevity docs. I'm sorry.
>> Oh, yeah. They give us a bad name.
>> Someone had to say it. But no, statins and vaccines and overtraining do not Oh, and avoiding hormone replacement do not equal longevity. Sorry, guys.
>> Yeah, actually biodidentical hormones saved my life.
>> I love them, >> you know. Mine too. I had, in fact, when I was 26, my longevity doc and the only one in the Bay Area back then, who I said, my parents do.
>> He calls goes, "Uh, Dave, your testosterone levels are lower than your mom."
>> They really were.
>> Really?
>> I was like super fat and I had zerlin in the walls, which is a mold toxin mimicker.
>> Yeah. And so my system was just wrecked.
>> And yeah, getting testosterone levels up. I wouldn't have kids if I didn't have hormone replacement therapy.
>> Wow. Okay. Yeah. Well, if you guys don't know, um, it comes the mold he's talking about zero and comes from fuserium and it looks like estrogen and it binds in this like key and lock receptor. The estrogen binds like this and lets go.
But something like that's a mimicker or xenoestrogen. It binds and it doesn't let go.
>> Stuck. So, it starts this whole cascade of estrogen dominance. You're talking about like ma men with man boobs.
>> I used to have man boobs and I don't anymore.
>> You look great.
>> I'm the only guy in my family without man boobs.
>> That's that's right there is is you number one prize. Yeah. all bad detoxers um of estrogens, right?
>> Mhm. But look at you. You beat your genes.
>> You can totally beat your genes unless you have two of the same gene. They're going to be switched on, right? Because you don't have any choice about that.
And even then, you just go around it.
Like there's there's ways.
>> Yeah. I don't really think you can change it back positively, too. Like it's never a life sentence. It's really about your your thoughts, your beliefs, your environment, lifestyle.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> It's really funny. You know what else they useone for? This mold toxin that's common in homes.
>> What? Well, they concentrate it into a little waxy pellet and they put it in a cow's ear and then it melts in through the depanic membrane, enters their system. Guess why they do that?
>> Oh my god.
>> Those cows will get fat on 30% less calories.
>> Just blew my mind. I'm out this way.
>> It's probably a hundred million dollar product that ranchers are using because it makes you fat on less calories. So, number one, if you have toxic mold in your home or maybe in your food, it could be why you can't lose weight.
>> Uhhuh. But uh number two, every influencer who goes it's about calories in calories out.
Dude, this drug exists the calories in calories out is for simpleminded simpleton trying to optimize their health. No, like we are going far beyond that.
>> That's right. That drives me crazy. I have patients who eat nothing all day and they're so much bigger than they want to be. They're puffy. They have weight resistance and it's it's always histamine and it's like ever since co it's an epidemic and that's all I catch now. Everyone is trying to lose weight.
Everyone is deficient in minerals and and has too much tissue and puffiness and it's all since co years. So yes, >> so I've I've had histamine issues my whole life genetically just with too much histamine and mass cell activation is another name for chronic fatigue which I've was diagnosed with when I was 25.
>> Oh, you're too young for this.
>> I know, right? Uh plus I'm I'm a guy. We don't get we don't get that much compared to women. But I'm just I got the full set of lucky jeans.
>> So I learned how to deal with that and how to end it. But literally everyone with long COVID and everyone with mold illness, whatever you want to call it, all if you just get to the bottom of it, it is mass cell activation syndrome.
>> Talk to me about mass cells and histamine and why people need to know about these.
>> I feel like I've become a complete expert with this now. This is all I see in clinic at this point. All the mystery people come to me are histamine problems. And so let me just preface this by saying histamine in the brain is racing thoughts, ruminating thoughts, brain fog, anxiety. Histamine in the heart and vagus, nervous, palpitations and pots. Histamine in the gut is bloating, acid reflux, loose stools.
Histamine on the skin is hives, eczema, rashes. Histamine in the uterus is uh endometriosis. Histamine in the bladder can be interstitial cyitis. Um and and histamine systemically is anaphilaxis.
>> Hot damn, that was the single best 30 seconds of histamine education on the internet for sure. Sure. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's, you know, you start putting becoming a Sherlock Holmes at pattern recognizing with people, right?
>> You're autistic.
>> I knew you were going to say that and maybe I am.
>> I'm still teasing. I have no idea.
>> I would be I would wear a gold badge.
Okay. So, anyway, um so yeah, I mean it's everyone I see and you start seeing it especially after co and so people say what happened you know this brain fog started this racing thoughts this um severe anxiety insomnia. I can't even drive on the highway anymore. I hear this every single day of my life. Did this start during the co years? Yeah.
Yeah, but I didn't get the shot. No, no, no. You don't have to. Did you get the infection? Yeah, but it wasn't too bad.
That doesn't matter because the severity of the infection does not equal whether you get long CO or not. And so then people will say, I say, do you get stuff here? You can't breathe in the middle of the night. You get stuffy here, sinus problems. Yes. Bloating? Yes. You know what happened? The spike protein is stuck inside you, replicating inside the fascial tissues, reproductive organs, any mucous membranes, especially here and in the gut. And you know what the body is doing? Because it's not stupid and it's never wrong. You know, we are wrong. And we live in a toxic society.
The body is never wrong. So, it's appropriately setting off histamine as a first line defense because what is that spike protein that's never been seen before? Kill. Kill inflammation.
Histamine. And that's appropriate. Look at that body. How smart it is. You know what happens then? These viruses go, "Oh, it's my 15 minutes to shine. Here we go. Let's go, baby." And so histamine is makes the body offkilter. Nervous system hypervigilant inflammation off the charts. Haywire communication virus reactivates all herpes viruses. Every last one of them. So if you have this since since COVID brain fog, fatigue, joint pain, waxing, waiting, scratchy, sore throat, and swollen lymph nodes coming and going with your stress, that is Epstein bar virus reactivating with the spike protein allowing it to.
>> Wow.
>> And that's the whole cycle. It's everyone >> so many directions to go. All right. at the the beginning of the pandemic two weeks in we knew very little but we knew something about the the virus I wrote a blog post that said we know that interlucan 6 which is a inflammatory cytoine that's happening in everything you just mentioned >> yes >> downstream of histamine we know that it goes up and we know that it reeks havoc so without knowing what the root cause is here's a list of 10 compounds all herbs and supplements that lower IL6 storms so it would be smart to take these >> y >> right and I I also said you should take Pepsid and Claritin which are histamine blockers for H1 and H2 receptors and one of my proudest awards in my career was the fact that factcheck.org uh sent a warning letter and you know same as you and I'm like oh thanks for the toilet paper I don't care and uh actually I really am honored by that.
>> Oh my gosh I love it. So, I had to go to telegrams. I couldn't talk about this, but if someone had COVID and they blocked their histamine receptors and they took some nicotine to block the spike protein receptors, they didn't get long CO. And if they got long COVID and they did this for six months, a lot, they get better. They still get better.
>> That's I still I can get them better.
>> Yeah. What else do you do besides blocking histamine for six months?
>> Yeah. So, um you know what else I do is I do a lot of nebulizers and nasal sprays to get things off the mucous membranes because I see a lot of people with mold.
>> Yes. and and spike protein together which is deadly duo. So I do a lot of that too. I do a lot of opening drainage and setting the foundation. Again, most of these people's nervous systems are wrecked because their vag nerve this the virus gets their vag nerve every time.
>> And so I have to really calm that down.
B vitamins, highdose minerals, veagal nerve stimulators sometimes, you know, um nervous nervous system regulation programs even.
>> Have you tried the Zenbud?
>> Zenbud? I haven't. This is my absolute favorite veagal nerve stimulator. I I have all of them. And there's a $2,500 one. I forget his name that, you know, if you can trace the nerve, it it works.
But electricity has a hard time getting deep enough. Yeah.
>> But it can get deep enough. So like like I have electro ones that works to be really clear. But this is ultrasound and it's like three or 400 bucks >> and it goes in the ear and it takes three to five minutes and you can't miss because it's penetrating deep in >> and that is the the single most effective. And you don't even have to have an iPhone Apple. Just turn it on and it works.
>> Can you hear it?
>> It's like a a vague buzzing sound.
>> Okay. Yeah. Not too bad.
>> It's not unpleasant at all.
>> It's like six to eight minutes or something.
>> Uh three to five.
>> Wow.
>> And you see HRV go up and all that. So, I've just been looking for ways, you know, cold putting your face in cold ice water, all the things for Vegas that have been in biohacking for years. Yes.
>> This seems like a a step up.
>> That that's >> I like that description a lot. Thanks for that. I'll be looking into that one for sure. But yeah, that's really important for people because part of the histamine problem is there's a neurotoxic loop with a pathogen there, but there's also the the nervous system has now been primed and it's on the on button is in the stuck position.
>> Yes.
>> So, it's like you have to address both for people. And then I really open drainage or detox pathways, which means do you poop one to three times per day?
If not, that's not good. That's the bottom of the pyramid. Everything's going to be backed up in your body, you know. Then we look at the liver. Can you handle caffeine? Can you handle alcohol?
Can you fast for 24 hours without being homicidal?
>> You know, how about do you see undigested food in your stool? How about the bile? That's checking the bile. Can you sweat within 10 to 15 minutes in a sauna? That's not good if you just glisten. I don't like it. Right. How are your cycles? How are your sleep? I get everything regulated. And then bam, we hit them with everything else for the histamine spike protein. I do a lot of netokinus lumberkinise. Yep. Um, right.
I do a lot of things to hit the nicotine receptors. I really like a product called foreign protein cleanse by global healing.
>> I don't know that one.
>> It's really good. It's got the Coopra 16 that hits the nicotinic receptors.
>> Oh, neat. Okay. Copper kind of.
>> Yes. And it's also got super biotonic liquid gold in it. It's got loilia for the lungs for that breathlessness that comes on with long co.
>> Oh wow.
>> It's an amazing product and it's liquid liposal.
>> That I've never heard of that one which is unusual. So that's cool. Of course you would know all the crazy stuff.
>> Well, you're giving me some stuff so I have to get at least give you one tip. I love getting to swap notes here with smart people. I'm sure that our listeners, some of them are going, "You, what did you just say?" Guys, there'll be notes for all this. You can just download it.
>> I talk. I get really excited and passionate like you.
>> It's fine. I'm just going to assume that our listeners are curious and willing to relisten if they need to. Uh, and intelligent enough to make use of the activity. like it I' I'd probably get more listeners out of a lot. But but if I wanted to like really dumb it down, but then all the doctors and practitioners and and like professional level people would stop listening. So that's right.
>> There you go, guys. And thank you for bringing it.
>> Of course.
>> So, one of the things I learned because I guess I'm an early adopter, you know, recovering from mold illness and what I thought was lime and mercury and nickel and fibromyalgia before I was 30. It was like two years of just exhaustion and Herxheimer's just miserable >> and you know I had some other times where things have come back >> but I was able to come back in like six weeks because like if you know what you're doing >> that's right >> and a lot of the the early doctors especially in the mold industry like the guy who kind of cracked the code on this his protocols were mean to people >> like anytime you hear serves it means oh patients don't matter I want the data >> and it's all about pharmaceutical measures as Wow.
>> So what I I ended up doing saying well the most important thing is that you feel good while you heal so you heal.
>> Yeah.
>> So one of my first and most famous blog posts was called why you are suffering from a modafanyl deficiency.
>> So tell me all the reasons modafanyl is good for you.
>> Actually I don't use modafanyl a lot. I really don't.
>> Is this because you just hate your patients or why?
>> No I just do everything holistically.
>> I'm so teasing.
>> I just do.
>> It it is worth talking about. Yeah.
modafinyl or um another like the opposite of it is called deiggo.
>> Okay.
>> All right. So, there's a compound called ereexen that is alertness promoting and a lot of people with mold or ADHD or long COVID like you get crap sleep and you're kind of taking micro naps all day without your consent >> and modafanyl fixes that. So, if you're on a healing path and you just need to still pay your bills and take care of your family, which I had to do.
>> Modafanil is a narcopsy drug. It's also the most studied smart drug we have. I took some this morning. I've taken it every morning for 25 years. I love this stuff. Got me through business school.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. I just take the low 100 milligrams every morning. I have eight companies.
>> I should really get my boyfriend on this because he reminds me so much of you.
He's on the spectrum. Yeah, he's on the spectrum. He can hear things in music no one else can hear. I have on him like my white noise rain at night and he'll be like that's on a 15-second loop and I'm like >> it's rain matching pattern matching.
>> It's crazy. But he's like that and he has wakes up every night around 4:00 a.m. He's really tired. So certain throughout the day and he was mouth breathing.
>> Wow.
>> So I fixed that with a nasal balloon recently.
>> Oh, you did the nasal balloon. Have you ever tried just taping his mouth?
>> Yes.
>> I hear it's good for relationships.
>> It's definitely good for your sex life, right? If you want some testosterone.
>> Yeah. Having enough nitric oxide in the brain will do that, >> right? Let's just get real.
>> And so Deviggo lowers arexin so people can't sleep can sleep. And modafanyl raises arexin uh so that people who are recovering from mold and and look it's nice to just say, you know, I'm going to let my nervous system rest. Like I'm going to get fired if I let my nervous system rest. I got to pay the bills. And this is most people listening.
>> It's true. It's so true.
>> Yeah. So I I consider that to be in the morning, even if your adrenals are cooked, have a cup of coffee. You need high cortisol in the morning anyway.
Just a cup, not 10 cups. And take your adrenals and your licorice and support your blood pressure and all that stuff.
>> I recovered without suffering way faster just by having enough energy.
>> You think it was that? The medapanyl.
>> It was Well, yeah, cuz it it brings your energy back.
>> Yeah.
>> That's pretty amazing. Okay. And can I just say for people out there listening, everyone who's sick has a low um cortisol awakening response. You guys think everyone thinks cortisol is doomsday horrible thing. It's again Goldilocks ratio in the right ratios.
>> Why is cortisol good for you?
>> Well, cortisol it's it's really actually helps break down adrenaline first and foremost. It's also really helps you wake up in the morning. Helps your muscles get moving, mobilizes glucose stores, raises your blood pressure if it needs to. All these things sound bad, but when you need to move and you have a threat or you're trying to wake up, it's really, really important. Cortisol is not bad. It's bad if it's paradoxical.
Do you have it low in the morning and high at night? Wrong.
>> Yep. It's got to be the other way. Your circadian rhythm is showing us it has problems. You're having problems making hormones and neurotransmitters because of that.
>> Genetically, my body doesn't make enough cortisol.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Do you know the gene off hand for that?
That's >> RCCX.
>> Okay. RCCX.
>> RCCX is a non-coding cluster that doesn't come in a normal genetic test.
It's also it kind of clusters with hypermobility as well. Oh, >> some of the cognitive. So, I have I have very weird genes.
>> Probably because my mom is from Roswell and my grandparents are from Los Alamos.
Like I literally have like radiation and aliens. I don't know.
>> Oh my god. Maybe.
>> Yeah. Who knows? But like my genes are weird.
>> So, I figured this out, but low cortisol is more dangerous than high cortisol >> and having low cortisol in the morning is horrible. A normal healthy person, your cortisol goes up, so your blood pressure goes up.
>> If your blood pressure didn't go up when you'd stand up, you would pass out. And then a lion would eat you. So, mother nature's is like, "I will get your blood pressure up." If you don't have cortisol, guess what you get instead?
Adrenaline.
>> Yep.
>> Right. And that adrenaline goes up and then you're tweaking and you Yeah. It's a bad morning already. So, I live with that for a long time until I figured all that out. I just take cortisol. I take it like thyroid hormone.
>> Do you really?
>> So, changed my life.
>> Like cort.
>> Yeah. Cort >> in the morning.
>> I finally switched from cort after like eight or nine years to a low dose of dexamethasone because it's a longer acting but very like half of the smallest dose. Do you still do it every morning?
>> Yeah. And fluocarisol, too.
>> Okay.
>> It's kind of cool.
>> Yeah.
>> Helps with POTS a lot, too. I know that.
>> Had POTS my whole life.
>> Did you?
>> Oh, yeah. I I had the whole thing. The only thing I didn't have was like endometriosis. Thank God.
>> Wow. What a wild thing to decide to do to come to your come here like that to yourself and figure it all out.
>> Yeah. What a story.
>> Spiritual masochist.
>> So, whatever. You I got the people like, "How do you know?" I'm like, "Because it was going to kill me. That's why I learned it."
>> Yeah. You had to. Yeah.
>> It's necessity. And and so for people listening, the the lesson here is that cortisol is not a bad thing and you need it in the morning and you don't need too much of it. And most of the highly successful people I know don't have cortisol in the morning cuz they're blown out cuz they stay up too late cuz they're traveling. I'm on 50 to 75% travel. I sleep in hotels a lot and I don't get sick and I don't get fat and my brain doesn't stop working. And it wasn't like that in my 20s or 30s.
>> Yeah.
>> And man, that's a testament.
>> You can you can consciously manage whatever you want. And so for this cortisol thing, I see this a lot in in men and women, but more in women, and they get low cortisol. So then their blood pressure is too low.
>> And when blood pressure is low, you get stressed, >> right? And it feels like anxiety after it's starting to recover. Before anxiety, it just feels like tiredness, like I got brain fog. I just can't get going. I can't think. I'm so tired. And then the body goes, okay, it's low enough. Have some adrenaline. And then like and then they're angry and they're screaming and they're >> tired, bit tired. Yeah. And so it's like tired, wired, tired. They do it all day long. Here's what to do. You don't need Ashwagandha. You need salt in water.
>> Imagine.
>> And their blood volume goes up. And get this. Low blood pressure will trigger a histamine response.
>> Oh yeah. Why wouldn't it?
>> Cuz it's whole body hypoxic stress.
>> The body is like, "We're freaking out.
Set off the alarm bells."
>> It's funny like why do they call them adrenals?
>> Adrenal. They sit on top of the kidneys because their job is to balance electrolytes and fluids. Because if you don't have enough water in your car, it overheats. You don't have enough blood pressure, your brain can't do its job.
>> That's right. And you guys, it's a feedback loop from the brain talking from one part of the brain of the hypothalammus to the pituitary to the adrenals. So that that communication is how haywire messed up at all along the lines. It's really easy to either metabolize it too quickly, too little, not make enough, too much, all that stuff.
>> Patient comes in tired but wired, low cortisol in the morning. What do you do?
>> Well, now I'm going to consider some dexamethasone in the morning if I can't get it back up after a while. But really what I do is I'm first of all I'm going to give them salt in the water and I'm going to give them minerals besides just sodium as well. They probably are electrically depleted throughout their body. Remember we are an electrical being. We run on negative electrons actually. So we want that in our body.
So definitely they highdose minerals.
I'm going to give them B vitamins. I'm going to start with foundational steps to get them back and calm down inflammation. Um, I'm not going to hit them with a detox or anything crazy just yet. Going to get them back.
>> Yeah, get the energy back first and then do the detox.
>> Yeah, they probably need some mitochondrial support as well. Some things like that, too. So, >> okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Why is Lyme disease a scam?
>> Oh, man. Okay. So, if you have Lyme disease, first and foremost, let's This is nuance tough topic here. Yes, it is.
So, so we know Well, we think we're pretty I'm pretty sure that lime was a boweapons um program that came out of Plum Island that was lost. they lost control of or purposely let go of >> just like co Okay, got it. There's a pattern.
>> That's right. And then also Lyme disease. Everyone has blind bacteria in their body.
>> Every single person has spares. Can I just say that out there? What is the difference between people who don't get it and people who are can hardly get out of bed with a with chronic lime?
>> It's the It's literally the same thing of people who get a cold when you're in the room and exposed and people who aren't. Right. So really what resonates with Lyme disease is the feelings of abandonment.
>> Yes.
>> Victimization, right? Those are big things that traumas that most people go through. On top of that, it has to do with what frenommies and toxins are already in your toxin bucket. How worn down you already are, how depleted you already are. Where's your nervous system set in all this? Because if you are not grounded in rest and digest, this bacteria is like >> it's my time, right? Yep.
>> And really our tests are inaccurate.
>> Sorely inaccurate. We are testing via direct antibbody antibodies which means we're depending on the immune system to show us if there's a problem. So if you're immuno compromised like 75% of Americans, good luck showing up on a positive test.
>> Well, when I thought I had Lyme disease because I had the western blot thing.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Um I of course had antibiotics, but I also started the second direct to consumer lab testing company back in 2005 or six or something. not knowing this.
>> We did a active lime test based on white blood cell proliferation >> without antibodies using a radioactive cell counter.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> And I confirmed I had active Lyme disease.
>> Yeah.
>> But you know what I had was toxic mold.
>> Oh yeah, that too. Mold is the is the match that sets that fire of lime.
>> And the symptoms of mold and lime are a 100% overlap. And the reason I say that Lyme disease is a scam is because I did an interview maybe 10 years ago with a guy out of UCLA on faculty in the labs.
He said, "Well, here's a genetic look at all of these things." And he showed straight up 90% of people who think they have lime just have toxic mold. So you give lime people, which is the primary anti-mold, or >> you give them a candida thing, which they often need both. Yes. Which is basically um Yes. And magically they don't have lime. What? You You kill the mold and the body takes care of the lime. Yeah. So, here's the deal. If you're on endless antibiotics, it's just an authorized strategy. I live that.
>> So, treat the mold, test the mold, and then if you need to take some antibiotics for the lime, but you probably won't need to, I guess.
>> And mold can actually make some of the indirect antibodies on the lime testing positive as well. It does have crossover.
>> Okay.
>> So, sometimes, you know, Yeah, definitely that's a thing. Yeah. And so I would say um yeah, you need to definitely look at biotoxin illness as a whole if you have Lyme disease. And please don't do cycling for chronic lime. It does not work.
>> There you go. Thank you. And like this is like a PSA. So if if if you're like, "Oh my god, I thought he had lime. I actually have mold." Um maybe you have both, but check out moldymov.com.
Totally free. It's a documentary on mold. And Danger Coffee is mold-free because I don't like mold. I will punch it in the face. It's my new coffee company and people love it. Did it taste really good?
>> I've had it. It's delicious.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah.
>> And and like you want to get an air filter and like do the basic stuff >> and I I I feel like there's so many people who are spending all their money >> um and they're spending on things that don't work and they're hopeless.
>> Thank you. My pet peeve is green pharmacy spot treating every single lab the abnormal. Can you pull back and see see the forest for the trees and see that what organ systems aren't working overall? And not just that, but um really not just green pharmacy, but also looking at like people don't understand it's the way we're building houses today, too, right? Yeah. It's all that.
So, I would say um for mold, you really just need to if you can't afford to get out of the house, like you said, a good filter.
>> Um open the windows. I I like an army test. I don't know if you like an army test. What do you like to test for the home building biologists in general?
>> And an army test is environmental relative mold index. That means you test the air inside and outside the house and see if there's more inside than outside.
>> It's very nuanced >> and and there's value to this test and um the company I like for that is got mold. You can do it at home. Yes. Um >> I invested 10 years ago in the company.
Very simple amount. But just so you guys know like you know I I have some incentive but won't change my life. It just >> problem is air alone doesn't tell you much because a lot of mold toxins coming through the skin.
>> So there's another company called the dust test and Brian Carr came on the show and talked about that. He's tested actually the new 40 years in facility here in the house and I'm just so grateful for for him. You know, he'll fly out with a team and they just >> No, they're great.
>> They're like the most trying to figure out the right TV show with like the right detective on it, but they they know >> uh like CSI or something.
>> So, I I'll just say you you want to go as deep as you can. But if you test the dust with the dust test, you test the air with got mold, you're going to know what you've got and what you're dealing with.
>> Mhm. Um, >> you match it up with what's in the body.
You can tell if it's the current or past exposure. Right. So, >> and some people are good at getting rid of mold. Some people are not good at getting rid of mold.
>> And I do not have good get rid of it.
So, I take things that bind mold regularly. What are your favorite binders?
>> Oh gosh. Well, it really depends on the person and what type of mold they're they're dealing with because different molds have different charges, right? And bind to different things. So if you look at what Neil Nathan's research has done and the different acetylation, gluconidation, glycation, which is all phase 2 liver detox. What that means is there's a little chemical reaction that goes on, they add O, they take something away and then you go in, your body makes something water soluble. So you can literally get rid of it through the kidneys, right? Eventually. So if you really look at those types of molds and see which one, which phase two they path they go down, you can see what works best. I really love things like um fulvic and hummic acids. Oh, that's what's in danger coffee. Oh my gosh, I take it every morning.
>> I love it. It turns on other pathways in the body like the Nerf 2 pathway. It's not just binding. It's actually turning your body on to take care of it itself.
So, I love that. Um, at certain times I can do choleistyine as long as people are really remmineralized.
>> That's a pharmaceutical that is the most broadspectctrum mold remover, but you got to take your minerals.
>> Yes. Oh my gosh. It will strip you of everything >> and your CoQ10 and fat and essential fats and dake and all this stuff.
>> I have Yeah, I have issues with it definitely. I also um every time there are times for certain things like um you know modified citrus pectton um modified apple pectton. I do my least favorite are probably the clays even though I like them too.
>> Charcoal has a role too.
>> Yeah.
>> And since we're going really deep I I hope everyone's enjoying this and if not take notes. So modified citrus pectin is is one of those things that works for some people and it can be incredibly bad for others if you're hyper mobile or if you're under 18. modified citrus pectin is not for you. Yeah. Because it >> a lot to kids.
>> Oh, it's really not okay for kids, especially young ones.
>> That's all I see them using in actually.
>> And if if you look, in fact, this was in the better baby book and in one of my early books, I I read about the science of it. If you're the kind of person who has adhesions in your body, u which is everyone is hyper mobile, which is probably 30% of the population, modified citrus spectrum make you feel like a truck hit you. It'll break those up. So some people, yeah, it's not a herk, it's it's messing with your collagen formation.
>> And you know, collagen, it holds um it's the fourth phase of water. So it holds a lot of fats soluble toxins that can be liberated. It also holds >> collagen holds fat.
>> It can. Yes. And so and it also holds our uh cellular memory. It's like a shock absorber for the body. So you're releasing past things in the memory and trauma wounds.
>> Yeah.
>> And some toxins. it. This sounds like super woo, but it's so important. And anyone who does body work for a living.
Um, and I I am not a professional body worker, but I I've learned a thing or two over the years. And if you go into someone's hips, >> they're going to cry. They're going to shake. They're going to have all these these deep trauma releasing. It's the fascia in the hips is holding so much.
And the abdominal, if you work, it's >> I just had this done.
>> It's so profound.
>> I mean, my abs look different after the work. Like, they hang different. That just goes to show you the way the mezzentary and the scar tissue that sticks together inside there. It's sticky and it starts to hang as we get older. It doesn't hang and drain properly. And some of that work is absolutely life-changing. But I'm telling you what, you're going to get in a fetal position and cry like a baby.
And that's okay.
>> It's okay. Yeah.
>> Is there anything that we didn't talk about that you're seeing?
>> That I'm seeing right now. It's really just the histamine and mass cell connection.
>> It's a big one right now.
>> Um and mystery symptoms from that. I would say I'm seeing I see a lot of the mystery patients. So you're you're my bread and butter.
>> So >> Oh, I've got one. Yes, >> I've got a cool one. You probably know this one.
>> So benzoazipines.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> The these are drugs like Adavan, very addictive.
But people who have this chronic illness stuff, you give them a half of a baby dose, sometimes everything is better.
>> Why?
>> You're describing my best friend.
>> Yeah, >> exactly. She'll be like, I love Xanax.
You know the reason?
>> Well, you're calming down the nervous system and you're putting them into rest and digest. They actually hear themselves finally. They can listen to their body. They're constantly up here.
A lot of these people are very smart.
They're very intelligent. Like a border collie dog with a bone. I got to figure it out. I got to figure it out. It takes them right out of that squirrel praying right into their heart.
>> I don't think that's why >> you don't think it's in their body. No.
>> Oh, it's in their body, but it's not.
That's secondary. It's because they're potent mass cell stabilizer.
>> Oh, yeah. So they stabilize these mass cells of like little little bombs that go off in your immune system that cause the anxiety and the the frequent thoughts and all that.
>> But do you think the mass cells are produced by the nervous system that's being calmed by the biz benzo?
>> We know that racing thoughts they usually come secondary to physiological stress. H >> sometimes you can have I've asked a bunch of different psychologists and and people about this and I think about 80% of emotional stress is actually physiological stress.
>> So like a neurotoxic loop or something.
>> Neurotoxic or um or just there's inflammation in the body. It's the body going I'm stressed therefore the mind's like it's my mother-in-law or my relationship.
>> Oh, I see what you're saying. Right.
We're we're meaning making machines. And sometimes it's your perspective on reality is like oh I think life is fair.
It's not fair, guys. So, if you think it's fair and it's not fair, you get stressed and that stress can go downstream, but very little because almost all the nerves are going up into the brain, not from the brain to control it.
>> So, I think Xanax and Adavan I think that yeah, there's some neurotransmitter stuff going on. The most important thing though, if a tiny dose helps you and just that the constant dose, you're a mass cell person.
>> Yeah. But have you seen the same thing with progesterone?
>> Yes. Episode on that is talk about progesterone. Oh yeah, progesterone is a great hormone. So it it not only helps you carry baby to term, it helps you sleep through the night. It's it's calming, it makes you feel warm and fuzzy in the evenings. I'm on it. Can you tell? And uh and it also stabilizes mass cell membranes. So a lot of times what happens with people is if they have histamine issues or mass cell issues, it can be exacerbated or even tipped off by an estrogen dominance or a lack of progesterone. So estrogen increases mass cell sensitivity. So you have more histamine, more reactivity, and progesterone stops it. And if women have high estrogen and low progesterone, they're going to be inflamed and angry at their partner and the world.
>> Everybody, you talk about some reactive people. They can't even help it.
>> Yeah. It's not their fault. It's their bodies. It's just it's a hardware problem. Almost all of this is hardware.
We can fix our bodies and then it's easy to fix the mind after that.
>> That's right. I I love that. Yeah, that is a great message. Anybody can heal.
That's right. Anybody can re reverse this. You're living proof >> for sure. Jessica, you're doing the coolest stuff. Thank you for having the warrior gene and telling the California Medical Board to stuff it cuz they deserve that. And I cannot wait for them to actually go to jail for RICO. That's what RICO is. It's criminal >> in addition to civil. You guys need to back off because doctors have a right and patients have a right and you don't.
So there >> Yeah. And it's I don't know what agenda you're following. There's something that's that's in control of this. I don't know. It's It's I don't even know if it's human, but it's it's these people are answering to something.
>> Did you mean it's like an alien with tentacles or a demon? Like which one?
>> Can they be one and the same?
>> Ooh, alien demons with tentacles. All right, that's the California Medical Board. And on that note, thank you, friends.
>> Thank you so much.
>> See you next time on the Human Upgrade podcast.
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