This film illustrates how religious delusions and perceived divine voices can lead individuals to commit serious crimes, demonstrating the psychological challenges of distinguishing between genuine spiritual experiences and mental health conditions, and highlighting the importance of proper legal and psychological evaluation in cases involving religious extremism.
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[music] [music] Oh, [music] heat. [screaming] came out to support you.
>> We love you, John. Stay strong.
>> We'll pray for you.
You've done this to me forever.
Will you always do this?
How many times?
How many times must I go through this?
My name is Joan.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
So help you God.
I swear.
Be seated.
>> Where were you born? in Enid, Oklahoma.
>> Where did you go to school?
>> My mother homeschooled us. I know the pledge of allegiance. Gettysburg address. Preamble.
>> Would you please recite the pledge of allegiance?
>> I pledge allegiance only to God.
>> What did you do at home?
>> I studied and we took in cleaning.
I didn't do manual labor.
>> Did you learn other skills?
>> Yes. Data entry and bookkeeping.
>> You have tried several times to escape.
>> Like all prisoners, it is my right.
>> All right. The court remands this woman to the administrative segregation unit at this facility.
You want me to swear to this, but it would be perjury for me to say something I've sworn not to.
>> Tell the truth to this tribunal.
Careful. Now you call yourselves my judges. That's quite a responsibility.
>> Take the oath >> twice. I already took it.
>> Will you take the oath?
>> You don't need it.
>> Swear to tell the truth.
>> I will tell the truth, but not all of it.
>> If you're not going to tell the truth, that will only make you look even more guilty.
>> I'm well aware.
We demand that you take the oath.
>> I will tell you what I know, but not all of it. I come from God and do not belong here.
>> Send me back to him. [clears throat] Back to where I came from.
>> Put your hand on that goddamn Bible.
>> I can't make a mockery of this.
I came from the right side close to the church.
There was an eerie glow.
I never heard it without there being that glow.
By the third time, I knew it had to be the voice of an angel.
It told me I had to go to Ruby Ridge and then that I had to go to Waco and about what would happen there.
>> And why did you go to these places?
They're sites of unbelievable violence, great loss of innocent life.
>> They are holy places to my people.
>> What were you wearing when you left?
>> Fatigues.
>> On whose advice were you in disguise?
Next question.
>> How often do you hear the voice?
>> There isn't a day I don't hear them.
I've come to depend on them.
>> Did you hear it yesterday?
>> Yes. [sighs] >> At what time yesterday?
>> Yesterday morning. I don't know what time.
>> What were you doing when the voice came to you?
>> I was asleep. The voice woke me.
>> Did it come to you in your cell?
No, but it was in the prison. H >> Did you give thanks and to the voice and kneel down before it?
>> I sat on my bed and joined my hands together to give thanks.
>> And what did the voice say to you when it woke you up?
>> It told me to have courage in how I answer your questions.
Let me be very clear about this.
Very clear.
You should beware. I am sent by God and you are endangering yourselves and everyone in this room.
>> And this voice that tells you not to tell us everything you know.
>> I have received prophecies about the president that I will not tell you.
>> Because the voice has forbidden you.
>> If the voice has forbidden me, do you think you can undo that?
>> This voice, it comes to you from God.
>> I believe deeply that it comes from God with his instructions. And I'm more afraid of making a mistake, saying something that could displease the voice when I answer you.
>> Why would God be angry with you if you told the truth?
>> The voice told me to say certain things to the president and not to you. Last night, it told me several things that I'd like him to be aware of for his own good.
>> So, you can't make the voice obey you and deliver this news to the president.
[sighs] >> I would be happy to if that would please God.
So, the voice can't talk to the president unless you're there.
>> I don't know if that is God's will.
Without God's blessing, I can do nothing.
>> Don't you think you have God's blessing?
>> If not, may he bless me in this?
If so, may he keep me in his grace?
>> When you lived at home, did you play with other girls your age?
Did you run around outside and play?
>> Yes.
Do you remember a certain tree near your farm?
>> Right nearby, there was a tree called the widow's tree or the wishing tree.
Years ago, there was this girl. She lost her man in the war between the states and she went and hung herself right there.
People come around there in the new moon because there's supposed to be a ghost that comes and will tell your fortune.
But I never saw the ghost there.
>> Did you see the ghost anywhere else?
>> Not as far as I know.
>> Take her away.
[snorts] [panting] [snorts] [sighs and gasps] >> [gasps] [snorts] [gasps] >> just and loving God.
[snorts] I pray you love me tell me what I should say to these people.
>> And how have you been treated since the last time we met?
>> Should be able to see that as well as can be.
>> And since then, have you heard the voice?
Yes.
>> Have you heard it here in this room where the hearing is taking place?
>> How is this relevant to your trial?
>> It's relevant to the trial.
>> Yes, I've heard it.
>> And what did the voice say to you?
>> I couldn't really tell until I was back in my room.
>> And what did it say to you there?
>> I asked its advice about your questions >> and it gave you advice >> on certain things.
On others, I cannot answer without its permission.
If not, it will it will no longer trust me.
If God gives me permission, I will not hesitate to answer.
[sighs] I will be trustworthy.
>> Was it the voice of an angel speaking to you or God himself?
>> It was the voice of Mary.
She wore a heavenly crown.
>> How do you know it was Mary?
>> She's been my guide now for seven years.
>> Mary? How is she dressed? It's not something for this interrogation, but for the president.
>> Is she young or old?
>> I don't know.
>> Did she talk right away or did you have to wait?
>> I was also comforted by the Holy Spirit.
>> And how long have you been hearing his voice?
>> I didn't say anything about his voice. I only said I was comforted. So which one of these figures appeared to you first?
>> Holy Spirit. And he was not alone.
He was accompanied by celestial angels.
>> So you actually saw the Holy Spirit and you saw angels in the flesh >> with my own eyes, the way I see you right now.
>> What makes you think these visions you have were sent by God?
You cannot believe me if you want to.
>> And when you see the angels, do you see the president?
[laughter] >> He's no angel.
>> Or do you see some eerie glow?
>> A lot of light like flood lights.
You know, not all the lead in the world is here for you.
Amen.
>> And what did you see when you saw the president again?
>> There was a sign.
>> What sign?
>> Next question. I'm not going to answer that.
>> Um, where did you get the gun you were found carrying?
>> And Ruby Ridge.
>> And you were carrying a knife?
>> I found another one in the ruins at Waco. It was in the ground all rusty.
>> How did you know that gun was there?
It had five crosses on it. My voices told me.
>> Did you have it identified?
>> It wasn't identified.
>> Did you claim the gun had belonged to someone famous?
>> No.
>> When you went from town to town, did you carry either one of your guns?
>> I preferred not to.
>> Why?
>> To avoid killing someone.
I've never killed anyone.
>> How many men did you have with you when you were arrested?
>> Over 50 men.
>> Didn't you tell your men not to worry that the bullets wouldn't hit them, only you?
>> I told them there was no doubt what we were there to do.
>> When I opened the door, bullet grazed me.
>> Did you know you'd be wounded?
St. Peter had told me.
>> Did he appear to you under the wishing tree or widow's tree described earlier?
>> I don't remember.
>> What about the nearby well?
>> Yes, I heard him there.
>> How does it go from here in Oklahoma down here with all these Muslims that hasn't even been charged with a crime?
>> Exactly. Exactly. That's what the president needs us to get to the bottom OF IT. THAT'S >> WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GOING? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING HERE?
>> You know why we're here? You can't keep the people from hearing Joan's message.
>> Listen, buddy. We have the highest clearance. Access to the top.
>> Yeah, but how the [ __ ] did you get in here? President wants a story to get out, but it has to be the right story.
The true story.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Get out of here.
>> Go on. Get your asses out of here.
Tell them that anyone who tries to get near her or advise her will find themselves charged alongside her. Now get the [ __ ] out of here.
>> HEY MAN, >> LISTEN. YOU PUT ON THESE LEAKS.
>> GET OUT THERE.
>> PEOPLE GOING TO KNOW.
>> LISTEN, I'll I'll change your guards and I'll make sure that there's an officer in charge at all times. But Jesus Christ, let's get this over with already. Now, how long do you want to let this go on? You can lock her up with the things she's saying, but there's no way you can give her the death penalty.
>> Why?
>> This trial is a complete wreck. No defense strategy, no cross-examination.
>> Wouldn't matter. She's a dead woman walking.
>> People of Boundary County, return to your homes and see to your defenses.
Officers and representatives of the Washington DC government, you are hereby ordered to stand down and withdraw.
If you do not, this is a direct violation of our objective sovereignty under the Constitution and under God.
This will not be allowed to stand. I represent the good people of this county. Will fight you hand to hand if necessary. God Almighty will not let you take away our land.
>> Do you recognize this message?
>> I do, except where it says I represent. And hand to hand, this message was circulated widely. What do you think will happen to your side?
>> As long as we have waited for the president to triumph, he has faced terrible and unfair opposition.
However, God will grant his people victory over government tyranny.
I say this now so that when the day does come, the people will remember I have said it.
>> What year?
What day?
>> You won't get that from me.
How do you know if the visions you see are men or women?
>> They reveal themselves to me. I see their faces.
>> Do they have hair?
>> Possibly.
>> Is their hair long or short?
>> I don't even know if they have arms or legs.
How can they speak without a body?
>> I trust in God.
The voice is kind and gentle and speaks like one of us.
>> Didn't they have rings? Certain rings on their fingers?
>> Yes. And you have one of them. Give it back. The government has another one.
Please show it to me if you have it.
>> Who gave you the ring? The government has >> my parents. It's inscribed Jesus and Mary. And these rings, they give you certain powers.
>> No, not the rings.
>> Your visions didn't promise you any powers. [sighs] >> That's not relevant to this trial.
>> It's relevant to the trial.
>> Did your voices promise to rescue you from prison?
>> Yes.
>> From the prison where you are now.
>> I told you there are things that are not for you to know. There will come a day when I will be freed.
Those who seek my end may well come to an end before me.
>> Where are the Treasury Bureau plates?
>> I don't have any. I never did.
>> Wasn't there one found near your compound?
>> I've heard that rumor.
>> Why did you have them?
>> I can't think of a reason why anyone would have any except to print money.
>> Get her out of here.
Joan, would you say a prayer for us?
Friends, let us pray.
Heavenly Father, we ask for your guidance in this dark night.
We ask for your gracious counsel in these times that trouble our hearts.
We seek to restore your kingdom on earth and make this not man's kingdom but your kingdom. Lord, there are many pictures and many sounds that deceive us.
There are the voices of many dark powers trying to confuse us.
May clear the way, Lord.
Lord, your devoted followers have shouldered great suffering.
But tell them never to be downhearted.
For Christ said, "Those who are laughing now will be crying later."
Amen.
>> This is ridiculous. You can't let this go on. Not like this.
>> Apparently, you can.
>> It's asking for a mistrial.
>> There will be no mistrial. Say that all you want, but I'm telling you, Joan has rights.
>> There will be no mistrial.
>> It's a military tribunal. The concept of mistrial doesn't even exist.
>> The outcome will be beyond a doubt.
>> What? How can you say that? Did you see what she did today?
>> Doesn't matter.
>> Doesn't matter.
>> If we don't wrap this thing up and wrap it up the way they want to.
>> Who is this? They >> If we don't wrap it up, they will.
>> [ __ ] >> [music] >> I'LL [ __ ] KILL YOU. [ __ ] YOU. [ __ ] YOU. [ __ ] you. [ __ ] [music] you.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING? [ __ ] [screaming] >> What do these people want?
>> Her death sentence.
The whole liberal press and 100 angry next to Ken here want to hear her death sentence and then see it carried out lickety split.
The New York Times, they have a Joan must die column every day.
You don't do something about it soon, Major, they'll be here for you next.
Jesus Christ.
I mean, look at her. [ __ ] pathetic.
These people want me to kill her in front of the whole country.
We're [ __ ] Why do you have Jesus and Mary in the US flag on your letter head?
>> The flag was to tell my followers not to follow those instructions I wrote to avoid detection.
>> What weapons did you hide in the dirt behind the Ruby Ridge Courthouse?
carbon tactical knives and body armor in the event things went bad.
>> Is that why they become so popular?
>> No.
>> But your followers have adopted this body armor.
>> Some, yes.
>> Did you tell them it would bring them luck?
>> I told them to face aggression with courage.
>> And by aggression, you mean the lawful agents of the United States?
>> You may call them that. Those are not my words.
>> Why did you make sure to put this ring on >> and hold it up in the light before your attacks?
>> To honor my parents who gave it to me.
>> Wouldn't you call this a form of idolatry?
Unless you attribute it to God's command, in which case is that blasphemy?
>> I've never blasphemed.
>> Your people hold vigils for you and pray for you.
>> If they did pray for me, I don't think there's anything wrong in that. My people all across the country stand ready, but they will not wait forever.
>> They do believe that God sent you to them, though, don't they?
>> I don't and can't know what's in their hearts.
But for those who don't believe it, I am sent here by God.
>> It's said that you can read the minds of your people when they come and kneel to you.
Many come and if they ask to kiss my ring or my sleeve, I can't say no, can I? Mostly the people this government has impoverished come to pray that the president will finally help them. He says he's a man of the people. He says he remembers the forgotten people. So, let's see about that. And when you leave the compound, you dress in battle fatigues or in some boyish attire. It >> is not boyish attire.
When not in combat, out of modesty as God has commanded.
Being modest is not being a male impersonator.
You also stole a vehicle from the US Postal Service in Waco. Correct.
>> We left money for it even though it broke down. We get better vehicles through the armed forces surplus auction.
>> Isn't it true that you employ children, some as young as 9 years old in your activities?
>> There are children at many of our assemblies.
But you use them specifically as human shield.
>> If it pleases God, even the youngest may serve the highest purpose.
>> How many children have died in this ridiculous pursuit? Is it five or is it six?
>> Never heard this.
>> What actions did you take in front of the memorial on site of the Alfred P.
Mr. Building in Oklahoma City?
>> I called the Citizens Assembly.
>> Dot ordered you to do that?
to forcibly enter the building.
>> Who said God ordered me to?
>> Joan, excuse me, [snorts] Joan.
>> Silence again. We must have silence in here. We will not have observers and you pulled down the American flag.
>> It was being dishonored by flying at a sight of oppression.
>> Joan. Hello. Excuse me, but >> All right.
>> You know my mother.
>> Quiet.
>> You know my mother because she was a worker. She was a janitorial worker inside federal building.
>> The building you invaded. You're >> delusional. Joan, tell me how it is that Jesus wanted you to blow my mother's hands off. Joan, you blew her hands off.
She cried till she died looking down at where her hands were AND SHE HAD STUMPS.
JOAN, tell me that. HOW THAT IS CHRISTIAN? CUZ THAT'S GOOD. THE OLD LADIES MY MOM WORKED WITH, HOW THEY WENT BLIND BEFORE THEY DIED. YOU TELL ME HOW THAT'S RIGHT. YOU EXPLAIN IT to me before I die. Jo was right that my mom had >> I think with all the distress, this is a good place to shut it down.
>> That's a bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] Perfect. Jesus [snorts] her hands off. She cried over.
>> This is getting completely out of hand.
Maybe so, but you're going to get all kinds of static from state about the observers.
>> All I said was we should have some outside eyes. We should manage this just as the White House does. No need to have the mainstream media up in here.
>> I don't care.
I'm not running this trial like a circus for their entertainment.
Get them out.
Give them the order that I don't want them leaving the compound until this thing is over.
>> You're going to have big problems with that. Nine ten of this thing is we got to get right with Joan's people.
>> Forget Jones people.
This is a trial and this is a court of law. Now we have bent over backwards for her and her godamn people. That ends now.
The observers are out.
You know what, guys?
We don't have to do this all on the record.
Middle America loves terrorists, don't they?
Did you know you'd be caught?
>> My voices said it would happen someday.
That God would come to my aid, but they didn't say when. If I'd known, I wouldn't have gone there.
>> Your voices had ordered you to go where you'd be caught. You would not have gone.
>> I wouldn't have gone there willingly, but in the end, I would have obeyed their command. You had significant arms and material.
>> Yes.
>> Where'd you get them?
>> People of the congregation.
>> They provided us with all the ammunition we could want.
>> Any other offerings?
>> Some money to go to war with.
>> What signals did you use to communicate with them?
>> You will never get me to tell. You'll have to find out on your own.
>> And God told your people to do this. An angel gave them the sign.
>> The same angel that appeared to you before? The >> same. It has never misled me.
>> Weren't you misled when you were caught?
>> I believe it must have been part of God's plan that it was for the best when I was caught. How could he mislead me when he comforts me every day?
I mean, the Holy Spirit does.
>> Didn't you make a promise to remain a virgin?
>> Yes.
>> It's ridiculous. I mean, she she lived for months on the road with these terrorists and lived in the backs of trucks with them.
And she's a virgin.
>> Yeah, apparently.
>> And didn't she say that if you lost your virginity, she would lose her faith in you and these voices would never come to you again?
>> That was not revealed to me. If you became a woman, do you believe your voices would still come to you?
>> I don't know.
>> I trust in the Lord God in heaven above.
>> You ran away from home before you were 18.
What did your parents think about this?
If I had a 100 fathers and a 100 mothers, I would still do as God commands me.
>> Did you ask the voices if you should tell them you were leaving for good?
>> My voices left it up to me whether to say anything or to remain silent.
>> Don't your voices call you the daughter of God or daughter of the crusade?
Many times they refer to me as Joan, virgin of the People's Crusade.
>> The arrogance of this [ __ ] >> Don't even try to act like you're a virgin with me.
>> I can certainly say I am. If you don't believe me, tough luck, >> liar.
You believe your faith is stronger than mine, don't you? And you take the name of our savior in vain. I should walk down to the major's office right now.
>> I belong to the Lord above.
>> You have no idea what a lie like this is going to do to you, do you?
Of course you don't. This is all just a game to you, isn't it? Wrecking people's lives.
>> Jesus Christ is my examiner.
My nurses have examined her. They have confirmed that she is a virgin.
>> That might explain the strength of her denials.
>> Major, listen to me. Please stop normalizing this woman as a political figure. She's a terrorist. She's killed I don't know how many people. How many more are following her that are going to kill our law enforcement, our government workers?
I would be willing to put my career on the line, sir. I would be willing to go to prison to swear that she is not a virgin.
>> Kathleen, stop it. There were three other people in that room. Don't you understand how information works now?
You can't put a lid on that or people.
No, that ship has sailed.
First time getting your little thing shaved, huh? I know. I know. Listen, in the next day or so, you're going to start to itch like something crazy, and you don't want to be up there in front of all those people scratching all the time. This will help with the swelling a little bit.
Hope we didn't hurt you.
Anyway, you're going to itch tomorrow like it's going to Denver. One solution, of course, is to keep shaving every day, but I don't think they're going to let you have a razor or nothing like that.
There's this different lotion I wish I had. It's kind of like aloe vera, but better.
My cousin says she learned this one weird trick when nothing else would work. It sounds kind of weird, but she swears by. There's this thing she says they call isopathy. And basically what it is is that next you go pee and you take a little bit, dab it on there around the area where you get the razor bumps, dab it on your coochie, and let it dry. Supposed to be full of stuff that'll kill the germs that'll make the itching worse.
We're ready for you, my mate. We don't know what you have planned, but we're ready.
Soon as you give the signal, you need some guards taken out. We're there.
You need an extra dozen foot soldiers at your side. We're already here. We have been broken you up, but you must want to be inside. You wouldn't be here to begin with.
So, we're just waiting on the word.
You can count on us.
That's right.
So, yeah, just 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off. You got that?
>> Think about what I told you.
We need to end this.
If she thinks it's her virginity that gives her strength, we can do something about that.
>> I can take care of that with pleasure.
>> You want me to get on that bomb?
>> The major and his people, they're going to wrap this [ __ ] up and we're going to take care of it ourselves.
One way or the other, you copy me?
[sighs] >> Why were you able to gather so many followers and wake up? My visions directed us to Waco.
>> They directed you there specifically?
>> No.
>> These visions, did they appear right in front of you or from somewhere up in the sky?
[snorts] >> From on high.
What I mean to say is they were sent by the command of God.
They didn't just walk through the door.
Then >> they did.
Did the rest of your people see them?
>> Maybe some of them only saw this sign.
Maybe some of them only saw the vision.
I'm not sure.
When the visions departed, were you afraid or were you happy? Even ecstatic?
>> Wasn't afraid?
I would have followed or my soul would have.
Why do you believe God chose you to send his visions?
>> Why so much attention on you and not others?
Please God to choose simple girl as intermediary.
>> Did the visions tell you why?
[sighs] I trust God. I don't know.
Did this vision smell good? Was it attractive to you?
Do you know anything about the lost badge or uniform that was later found?
>> Nothing.
When you left your cell and entered into the areas that were forbidden to you, were you trying to kill yourself?
>> I was trying to escape.
>> Didn't you say that you would rather die than be captured?
>> Much rather have given my soul to God than fall back into your hands.
>> When you came into the infirmary, didn't you use the Lord's name in vain?
Whoever was listening misunderstood me.
>> Did St. Peter appear before you in a bright light.
The sound of his voice is a light so bright.
Did you hear his voice that time there or here in this facility or in yourself?
Heard the voice.
I don't remember seeing the light. visions.
>> Didn't you also say it would be dangerous for this court to judge you?
>> I warn you again.
Do not judge me falsely.
It's my duty to tell you this.
But what kind of danger am I in?
Me specifically.
My voices tell me that I will enjoy a tremendous victory at this trial.
They also say take heart. Above all, do not fear martyrdom.
You will be in the kingdom of heaven.
I call this martyrdom.
How I suffer here in your prison.
I do not know if there's a way to suffer anymore.
>> And I accept our Lord's will.
>> Would you escape now?
>> The door open.
And the guards and soldiers didn't stop me.
I know God was rescuing me.
The St. Peter hate America.
He loves what God loves and hates what God hates.
>> Does God hate America?
>> I don't know if he does or does not.
But it must be returned to the people and payment of death.
Any more questions?
Joan, I'm here on behalf of Human Rights Watch International.
I've uh been assigned to your case.
>> Huh?
No, >> Joan, I can't get you out of this place, but I can observe and report if you're being mistreated, and I can advise you of your right.
>> All right.
>> Your right to appeal.
You can appeal. You can appeal to the Supreme Court. You can appeal to the International Court in the Hague. You have the right.
>> Which court?
>> The International Court of Human Rights.
>> Why?
>> Because it's your right.
No, I mean, why bother?
This is what the Lord wants. He wants me here.
>> What?
>> Here is where I've been called for some reason.
>> Okay, but to stay here, well, that I mean that would mean >> I'm well aware.
>> Joan, you have options. You have alternatives.
>> There's no alternative, >> Joan. I have to advise you that you have rights and people died for those rights.
You cannot just turn your back on them.
>> Why?
>> Because it's your life.
>> I gave my life to service to the Lord long ago.
>> But it's about so much more than that, Joan. [sighs] You have to lodge an appeal.
You have to >> I don't understand why. What would it change?
Joan, in places like this, you have to take advantage of your rights.
People have paid a very, very high price for you to be heard.
It won't make a difference.
>> Yeah. Well, maybe not for you. I agree.
But what happens to the next person who's locked up in a hole like this, Jim? Someone who's not as famous as you.
Someone with no one on their side except us. Then what? Suddenly the government will say, "You know what? I don't think they really need that right. Joan didn't need that right. Joan didn't even want that right." You see, they'll say it's not important.
This is about so much more than you.
This is about some LGBT person in Hungary.
Do you know in Russia if you're a kindergarten teacher, you can get fired if somebody comes up and asks you if homosexuality is bad and you say no.
>> How I was just going to make this country into God's kingdom again.
>> But >> I don't care about those people.
Those people are not God's people.
My voices didn't send me to protect those people.
Besides, it won't make a difference.
>> You're not listening.
It does make a difference.
You have to think of all the future detainees. Joan, please just consider what I say.
What do you think of this dress?
It's perfectly modest.
And you do want people to think that you're healthy, don't you? That you're a normal, healthy girl?
>> I will not put it on unless it pleases God. But if I'm condemned and made to undress, I only ask that it be something modest. Costs nothing. Claim work overalls for my modesty.
>> Do you understand that we're trying to help you?
I'd rather die than do undo all God has given me. He would not let me fall so far without coming to my rescue, without performing some miracle. If you're used to wearing fatigue, why would you ask for a woman's shift?
>> I did not ask for female dress. I only asked that it be something modest.
>> But you've also asked several times to meet with a spiritual adviser.
>> I would just like to pray with someone from my people.
>> Put this dress on.
and I'll be happy to bring you one of your people.
Let's let her talk to her people for Easter. You know, it could be a good image. Show we respect the date.
Then we'll wrap this thing up.
Friends, let us pray.
Heavenly Father, we ask you to guide our actions, to guide our hearts.
Let us always be in thy service, oh Lord.
We seek only to magnify thy name.
Thank you, oh Lord.
for the blood shed of thy son to redeem us in your holy name.
Amen.
Examine my answers.
You have them there.
If any of them can be shown to be wrong, I won't argue.
If doctors could prove that these are illusions or the church could prove that these visions are from the devil, will you accept it?
>> I have been sent here to these people in this time by God in his paradise on high.
I submit all that I have done to these authorities.
>> You don't believe yourself to be subject to to be bound by any of the authorities here.
>> God must be served first.
Your voices command you to defy the duly constituted government of these United States.
>> They do not tell me to disobey, but God must be served first.
Yeah. No. So, Tuesday 7:30. All right.
Just change everything around and nothing after that. All right.
>> Got it.
>> Sure. Okay.
>> Good morning, >> Captain. How are you?
>> Wonderful to see you.
>> Very good to see you as well.
>> She wants to know if you can come to dinner Friday night.
>> That should be all right. Just yet. That would be great. Thank Captain Jackson.
How are you? Very good to see you. I'm great. How's things going?
>> Well, thank you.
>> Okay. We I'll get back with you about that thing >> very shortly. All right. We'll make it work. Okay.
Major Calhoun, how are you?
>> So good to see you.
>> See you in the circumstances.
>> Just give me a moment. All right.
>> Hi.
You know, I have a niece.
You know, she's just about exactly your age.
She's just about exactly as pretty as you are, too.
Anyway, when she was about 5 years old, she had a terrible, terrible fear.
Fear, if you can believe it, of the wind.
I don't mean like the wind of a blowing storm or a real tornado, something like that. No, no, no. She was terrified of the tiniest movement of the leaves outside of her bedroom window, you know? I mean, beautiful spring day, gentle breeze, but scarcely the tiniest movement and the tiniest little branches.
But all of a sudden, she just started hugging herself real tight, and she started rocking back and forth, and her face would get all squinched up like like something really awful was about to happen.
It couldn't have been more beautiful outside, but inside, this poor little girl was just having a total breakdown.
[snorts] her folks used to tell her, you know, it's just the wind. It can't hurt you, but just made everything worse.
And it got so that the only person who could calm her down was her auntie. You know, they used to beg me to come over anytime there was any kind of bad weather in the forecast just to help her get to sleep.
>> [sighs] >> So I took her in my arms and I would rock her for hours and hours until she stopped shaking.
[snorts] You know, years later when she was old enough to understand, I would ask her, "What? What? Why are you afraid? What is anyone around you scared?"
Look at me. Um, am I scared of the wind?
[sighs] You know, there are many things in this world to be scared of, but plenty of things. But um, I will protect you. Your parents will protect you.
And if you see me scared of something, I will give you permission to be scared of that thing.
But until then, there's nothing to be scared of.
Well, that just about did it. Oh, auntie, I love you. I love you.
And she slept right through the night, you know, and has ever since.
Yeah. So, anyway, that's Let's do this.
In the matter of the people versus Joan Doe, also known as Joan of Arc, Joan of Pond Creek or Joan Elaine Miriam on about the September 11th of this year and continuing thereafter at Boundary County in the state of Idaho and elsewhere in this several districts of the United States. She did knowingly, intentionally, willfully, and maliciously conspire, combine, and agree together, and with others unknown to use a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION AGAINST PERSONS within the United.
[screaming] [screaming] >> Owned and used by United States and by department and agency of the United States. resulting in death, grievous bodily injury and DESTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING [screaming] WITH THE OBJECT OF THE CONSPIRACY to kill and injure innocent persons and to damage property of the United States did knowingly, intentionally, willfully, and maliciously use, aid, and abet the use of, and caused to be used A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION against persons within the United States, resulting in death and/or personal injury.
did knowingly, intentionally, willfully, and maliciously damage and destroy, aid, and abet the damage and destruction of and cause to be damaged and destroyed personal and real property in whole and in part owned, possessed and used by the United States and departments and agencies of the United States did unlawfully, willfully, deliberately, maliciously, and with premeditation and malice of forethought kill and aid a bet and cause the killing OF PERSONS WHILE THEY WERE ENGAGED in and on account of the performance of official DUTIES AS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. ALL IN violation of title 18, United States Code, sections 1114, 1111 and 2A and B and title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, section 64.2H.
Are you going to behave yourself?
I protest these false accusations. THEY BEAR NO RESEMBLANCE to these HEARINGS OR ANY OF MY ANSWERS. In addition, the defendant is in violation OF [screaming] TITLE 37. GOD [ __ ] >> UNITED STATES SECTIONS code 114 111 and 2 A and 2 B. sections 1437, 1499, and 7 A through F and CF through CG according to the Federal Code of Regulations.
[ __ ] YOU.
GET THE [ __ ] OUT OF HERE. GET [screaming] OUT.
YEAH, YOU TOO. [ __ ] YOU. [ __ ] [screaming] YOU.
[ __ ] hell. [ __ ] What are my people gone? [snorts and gasps] They forgotten about me already.
[laughter] Where my gone?
My people gone. Have they forgotten about me? Where have my people gone? If they forgot about me.
Where have my people gone? Have they forgotten about me already? Where have my people gone? Have they forgotten about me? Where have my people gone?
Have they forgotten about me already?
Where have my people gone? People gone.
Have they forgotten? Have they forgotten about me already?
Have they gone? Have they Where are my people?
Where have my people gone? I believe I believe [laughter] [cough] [laughter] [gasps] [clears throat] [laughter] >> [gasps] >> What's up? You sick?
>> Food in this place. I eat what they give me, but it makes me ill.
>> You ate the wrong things on purpose.
>> I didn't do that.
Take these chains off.
No.
see that she gets the best of care.
A lot of people paid the price to bring her to justice, so be careful.
And she's clever.
It's not beyond her to find a way to kill herself and prevent us from doing it properly.
We're after the exact same thing.
I must give thanks for all you have done during my illness.
>> I feel so sick of my dying.
>> If you're not going to plead one way or the other, there's nothing I can do for you. And these gentlemen will find you guilty.
If you value [clears throat] your life, make some account of it here.
Now, >> if I die, you must see that my body is returned to my people.
>> Your people? You think you got people?
You got a bunch of terrorists soon to be rounded up and shot is what you got.
>> Enough.
>> Maybe we should call a press conference and ask the nation to pray for your health.
Truth makes a traitor in a time of scoundrels.
>> Your president knows what is needed to be done here.
>> No doubt.
There is an outcome that will satisfy all concerned parties.
>> Yes.
>> We must isolate the subject. We must inflict appropriate punishment.
>> I know.
>> Yet, we must leave her supporters happy.
>> I know.
>> In fact, happier than they were with us before.
>> I understand that this is impossible.
It is >> yet it is what needs to be done.
>> Excuse me while I take this call.
>> [sighs and gasps] [panting] [gasps] [sighs] [sighs] [panting] [gasps] [sighs and gasps] [panting] >> the prisoner.
I'm having her restraints doubled.
>> You think that little lady's going to fly away?
We've had inquiries.
We've had instructions.
Stay >> DOJ. [snorts] >> Even higher.
It's too perfect.
Just catch her in these lies.
and she'll get the needle.
>> Given the persistent object nature of the defendant in an unlikelihood of any change, the court extraordinary has no choice but to enter a plea an extremist.
>> Enter your plea and I will answer. I trust the Lord God, my creator. I love him with all of my heart. Through him and his word alone is the road to heaven.
>> Do you submit to the government of the United States of America?
>> I believe in the United States, but I will obey God. My creator.
>> Do you renounce your citizenship?
>> I have but one master, our lord.
>> If you do not submit a plea, you will be declared an unlawful domestic enemy combatant, and you will be sentenced as such.
>> I have said what I've said.
>> Will you enter a plea before this tribunal? Will you enter a plea?
>> Take me to the president and I will plead.
>> He will be receiving a transcript of these proceedings. What is your plea?
>> I want him to question me.
>> Will you enter a plea?
>> I will not plead here. You are my enemy.
But if I cannot plead my case before the president, I ask that these proceedings be transferred to the International Court of Justice in the Hague.
>> Who has been speaking to THIS WOMAN? WHO HAS BEEN SPEAKING TO THIS WOMAN?
>> YOU ONLY RECORD THINGS THAT GIVES ME NOTHING IN MY FAVOR.
>> [sighs] >> You will be read several questions.
Answer truthfully.
All you need to do is speak. Tell us the truth.
>> You may tear me limb from limb. I will not change my testimony. And if for some reason I do, I'll say that you used force and I broke under this ridiculous torture.
Joan, did you intentionally, willfully, and maliciously conspire, combine, and agree together and with others unknown to use a weapon of mass destruction against persons within the United States and against property that was owned and used by the United States and by department and agency of the United States, resulting in death, grievous bodily injury, and destruction of the building with the object of the conspiracy to kill and injure innocent persons and to damage property of the United States.
Joan, I'm giving you another chance.
Doesn't have to be like this. Joan, don't make me do this.
[sighs and gasps] Okay.
Open your mouth. Open your mouth.
This is not going to hurt.
Come on, honey. Come on. Open your mouth. I promise you it's not going to hurt.
You're going to be all right.
Doesn't have to be like this. Joan, will you confess?
Step aside.
[laughter] [cough] >> [snorts] [gasps] >> Take her away.
[sighs] >> It's understandable, John.
You received visions and you believed what you saw.
Those visions, Joan, those visions have brought you to this point. They have not rescued you. They have not delivered your country to you.
They have not been worthy of your faith.
I do not think the country is in need of being delivered to me.
I stand by my acts and words. If you need to kill me to silence me, that is what you need to do. I stand by what I said.
You have been judged by this tribunal and found guilty of all charges. You have been judged a domestic enemy combatant. Your words are treasonous, your actions felonies. You're in jeopardy of 17 capital offenses, the penalty of which is death by lethal injection.
Joan, the government is willing to commute your sentence in exchange for confession and admonishing your followers to stand down. Will you do this?
>> I will obey the president himself.
>> This will not do. We cannot bring the president here once more. Will you confess?
She will not speak. We shall pronounce the sentence.
We the tribunal of the joint military commission as invested under the authorization for the use of military force do hereby revoke your rights under the United States Constitution.
>> Sign the letter and confess and we will turn you over to civilian authorities.
>> I've done nothing wrong.
>> I'm a faithful patriot and citizen.
I trust in the president and pledge my allegiance to this country.
>> Sign.
How can you do this? You must sign.
>> Sign the letter.
>> Sign.
>> This will mean your execution.
Don't do this. I'm giving you a chance.
>> Sign.
>> I will I will do anything you want.
>> Good.
>> [clears throat] >> sign here, here, [clears throat] and here.
This is a Statement of confession and acknowledgement of this court's opinion.
>> I Joan Doe, also known as Jon of Arc.
I Joonto, also known as Jon of Arc.
>> Jon of Enid, Jon of Waco, and Jon of Ruby Ridge.
>> Joan of Enid, Jon of Waco, Jon of Ruby Ridge, >> freely and without compulsion, >> freely and without compulsion.
>> Do hereby admit that I did knowingly >> do hereby admit that I did knowingly.
intentionally, willfully, and maliciously did conspire.
>> intentionally, willfully, and did maliciously conspire.
>> com combine and agree together with others.
>> combine, excuse me, >> combine and agree together with others.
combine and agree together with others >> to commit these several acts of treason >> to commit these several acts of treason >> against the United States of America >> against the United States of America.
>> I beg forgiveness from the families and loved ones >> I beg forgiveness from the families and loved ones >> of those whom my actions have caused to be killed. of >> those whom my actions have caused to be killed. injured or otherwise harmed.
>> injured or otherwise harmed.
I firmly and completely require >> I firmly and completely require >> that any of my followers still at large >> that any of my followers still at large >> immediately surrender themselves >> immediately surrender themselves >> to the nearest federal authority >> to the nearest federal authority >> and promise that they will be treated justly as I was. and promise that they will be treated justly [gasps] as I was.
>> Demand is >> I demand counsel before I sign.
>> Stop talking to her.
>> If it is the right thing to do, I will sign. I am a good and loyal citizen.
>> If you don't sign, you will be executed immediately.
>> I rely on my judge's promises.
>> [snorts] >> She needs to be an example for someone thinking of a terrorist mass murder in Wisconsin someplace.
Joan, your death sentence is hereby commuted.
But you are hereby remanded to the administrative custody of the Department of Justice, the adjacent facility here at Guantanamo. You are to remain incarcerated for 17 consecutive terms of no less than 30 years each.
>> Do not leave me here.
>> Take her back.
and put some decent clothes on.
>> Get in there.
See, you save yourself.
[sighs] >> You attempt to escape again after what I've done for you.
I never swore not.
You've given me nothing. I'm right back here where I was. Guards abused me. They wouldn't wake me. Should never have signed that letter.
>> You've heard your voice.
>> Yes, I have.
>> And what did they say?
>> That I was wrong to confess to save my life.
to ask my people to turn themselves in.
If I said God hasn't sent me, I'd be damned.
You sent me.
>> But you sighed.
Confessed. You accepted the plea bar.
>> Didn't renounce my visions.
I acted out of fear.
Rather die than have to live with it.
I didn't understand the paper.
I said I wouldn't confess unless please God, you are impossible.
I'm done with this.
>> You've seen the affirmative denial from state.
>> Yes. and um negative confirmation.
>> It was affirmative denial. I don't think it could have been any clearer. There can be no non-outcomes that haven't been accounted for in the manifest. That includes stabs, insect, justice, and the ad hocs.
>> There are considerations. I have access control protocols and a media circus outside.
>> You've been instructed to acquire non-intal assets for access control.
>> We have five of them live, but not activated on the ground. Now, >> this needs to be red bag.
>> Red bag.
>> Red bag.
>> Red bag. Can a P1 check off? I haven't been given authorization for that.
>> I so authorize.
>> You can authorize that.
[sighs and gasps] >> Well, authorization being given for a contingent red bag.
>> I don't think you can authorize that.
>> I'm authorized to authorize a red bag if you deem it operationally contingent in order to avoid a non-outcome.
>> So, if I judge the outcome is in danger of underperforming, >> you can operate >> and then you approve the red bag.
>> No, technically you would.
So, if I assess a non-outcome potential, >> let me re underline this so no one walks away with any lack of clarity. If you assess a non-outcome potential, and you do, or even a sub-optimal outcome scenario risk, you are then authorized for contingent resolution, expedited, without further review. The implications are clear.
>> Wait, you're not permitted to leave.
You're still a material witness.
You have [snorts] to endorse the testimony for encryption. No nonoutcomes.
Where will I be tonight?
In a better place.
>> [snorts] >> I'm going home to Jesus.
>> She wants to pray.
>> Whatever. Just get it done.
The major sent us to prepare you.
I want to die, but I don't want them to cremate me.
My body is not corrupt.
It should not be reduced to ash.
You may send me to my death.
I appeal to the president.
Your voices said you'd be saved.
Your voices have deceived you.
>> Yes, they have deceived me.
>> If they were from God, they wouldn't lie.
You have lied to your people.
You must ask them to forgive you.
>> Remind me in the end I might forget.
All the people here are her little fans.
Do any of the victims get to watch this [ __ ] die?
None.
[sighs] You know, Calhoun tried to get a gig on Fox News off this.
They said he wasn't a uh true believer enough.
Let's go.
>> Okay, we're going to keep things quiet and orderly today. That means no speeches, no mouthing off, no statements as we begin these proceedings.
Because if I do hear that, I will clear this room and shut this down. It's that simple, people.
So try to control yourselves, respect the prisoner and the process.
Joan, you may make a statement. I caution you to consider your words carefully.
It's hard to die like this.
So far away from the people I did everything for.
I asked for a Bible.
I commend my soul to Jesus Christ and our heavenly father.
For what I have done, no one else is to blame.
I wish you all to pray for me.
The joint military commission is hereby relieved of custody and the prisoner's [snorts] person is commended to the Bureau of Prisons Federal Medical Center Carswell in absention for immediate execution of sentence.
Are you [music] Are you [music] [music] ready?
>> [music] >> Beh. Come again.
behind. [music and singing] [music] Dear from my neand [singing] justen.
dear men [singing] in island from men of my neg.
Begin.
[music] But this is from God.
What I did, I did by the command of God.
No, my voices did not deceive me.
My revelations came from God.
[snorts] God is Lord.
>> [music] >> Sh mine glow be heart hair mine glopp.
No coat from [singing] Time of Death 11:33.
Come on, let's get this over with.
Let's go.
Happy near bleed.
Mine glow.
[singing] He again no meet [singing] for him and shine.
>> [singing] >> and each shall nuke.
>> [music] >> Heat. Heat.
>> [music] [music] [music] >> Heat. Heat.
[music] [music] >> [music] [music]
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