CHRISTIAN CALLER AND LEGENDARY MUTABARUKA AT IT'' EDUCATIONAL DEBATE RASTA!!!

Added: 2026-04-28

[00:00:00]You see to me God is a experience.

[00:00:02]>> Yeah.

[00:00:02]>> That mean say God is only real to the man who experience God.

[00:00:13]>> Uhhuh.

[00:00:13]>> You can't tell me say God exist if I don't experience.

[00:00:17]>> So in what way you experience the emperor now?

[00:00:19]>> No I never tell I experience the emperor. I experience emperor because I know him real like oh you the phone.

[00:00:25]>> Yes.

[00:00:26]>> It is not a matter of I experience in I'm telling you. Mhm.

[00:00:29]>> You ask me about real.

[00:00:32]What I mean when I say is real.

[00:00:34]>> Yeah.

[00:00:34]>> And I say Islia talk to me >> but >> is a man >> but you know there's a whole lot of illusion to as far as I'm concerned that is associated with the whole belief in >> knowled ago.

[00:00:59]>> I was just tackling them a while ago.

[00:01:01]Yeah, >> you never hear me.

[00:01:03]>> I hear you. But at the same time, >> I'm the virgin them hear you. But you know what I'm saying?

[00:01:11]>> It's a long time a whole idea of the Christian belief >> and and Ra thinking too don't forget but it's not Christian believe attack also some of the beliefs of Ra.

[00:01:26]>> Say for instance to succeed >> you have to give me that credit man. Now say for instance you succeed in eliminating them.

[00:01:32]>> Now what would you replace them with?

[00:01:34]>> Replace what? With >> the belief in Christianity and um and a belief in >> replace.

[00:01:43]>> No I mean you have to have something to believe in. You know, >> we know.

[00:01:48]>> Yes.

[00:01:48]>> But you believe in a thing until the point where you realize that belief and reality and substantiating reality >> is more evident of than believing in something.

[00:02:01]That is what belief belief is to the point where you don't know.

[00:02:09]So when you know belief take a backseat. But sometime the information that you confirm your belief with you know is questionable to you know.

[00:02:18]>> All right. So all right so all right I know say love a man named I lassi.

[00:02:22]>> Yes but >> I know I know >> say I little lassi was the emperor of Ethiopia.

[00:02:31]>> I don't believe that. Now I believe that there was a man named Jesus.

[00:02:37]>> Yes.

[00:02:38]>> That is what the Christian believe.

[00:02:40]>> Yeah. No, I believe say Jesus born of a virgin and I believe yeah I tell you what the >> Christian believe say this man born of a virgin the Christian believe say him walk the Christian believe 5 don't know that now when you use intelligence >> information and come to conclusion you realize it is just it must stay in a belief you cannot impose that belief as knowledge >> on a set of people or a group of people.

[00:03:15]You must make that belief sustain you and yourself.

[00:03:20]Don't try to impose it on people. And anytime you start to impose belief >> from people, then you're going to have a problem.

[00:03:28]>> Then what is wrong with belief?

[00:03:29]>> I never said Oh my gosh. I never say nothing wrong with belief.

[00:03:34]>> Every man believe in something. You never saying that. You know, give me another version.

[00:03:39]>> Yes. But you know sometime you know if >> I never said something is wrong with belief. Something is wrong with belief when the truth and the reality is facing you and you still hold on a belief that does not correspond with the truth and the reality. That is what is wrong with belief.

[00:03:57]>> Well the truth is would you say the emperor was a Christian?

[00:04:02]>> Of course.

[00:04:03]>> Yes. So you know some >> well I don't understand you know. Yeah.

[00:04:08]You rever this this emperor >> and he was a Christian.

[00:04:12]>> Yes.

[00:04:12]>> So what is wrong with that?

[00:04:14]>> Well, what I'm saying, you know, if you really respect >> Jesus Christ was not Christian.

[00:04:18]>> Jesus Christ was not Christian.

[00:04:20]>> Yeah. But you never tell anybody to worship him.

[00:04:22]>> No, I never tell nobody that. I say Jesus Christ was not Christian.

[00:04:25]>> Yes, I can understand that.

[00:04:27]>> Yeah.

[00:04:28]>> But at the same time, this the whole idea of Christianity is built up around the word that was uttered from his mouth.

[00:04:35]>> But you don't know that. Eh, >> that is why you believe >> well >> because you don't know that Jesus said these things were in the Bible.

[00:04:41]>> Have you ever studied his work?

[00:04:42]>> No. Study whose work?

[00:04:44]>> The word in quotations that in the Bible.

[00:04:46]>> No, man. The quotations in the Bible was put there by men who believe.

[00:04:50]>> Well, there's no there's no book make a lot of sense.

[00:04:54]>> No, there's no book in the Bible that Jesus wrote. Every man who write about Jesus, >> these words that were written down there, >> none of the man them who write about Jesus, they never know him. They never seen yet or never did even come. the the the faith is the is the word, you know, the word is still there, you know, because >> brethren, the the wordh >> none of the men them >> Yeah.

[00:05:17]>> who wrote about Jesus did ever see him didn't know him.

[00:05:22]>> You know, a lot of [clears throat] sing >> but them know him exist and you have books where himself write not where people write about him. But >> no, listen. You have books by lassi. You have tape recorder in a lot time. You have flim in a is time.

[00:05:42]>> Yeah.

[00:05:43]>> A man can stand up in front of lassi when make a speech and tape him and come back complete and you know say this is ly words. The words in the bible that is ascribed to Jesus.

[00:05:56]>> Yeah.

[00:05:57]>> No one know that there was a man who named Jesus said. What has Emperor Salati done to deserve this type of reverence?

[00:06:06]>> If not to deserve nothing.

[00:06:08]>> Uhhuh. [clears throat] >> Is I healing him up?

[00:06:10]>> You don't have to him. You know, is I him. I have said to you that >> Yeah.

[00:06:14]>> I know. I little lassi. I have heard I have seen Lassi with my own eyesh.

[00:06:22]>> I have heard him speak.

[00:06:26]I know that there is a manuh >> named Is Lassi. You don't know that there was a man named Jesus. You believe that? And the words in the Bible that is ascribed to Jesus Christ.

[00:06:42]>> So you don't know.

[00:06:43]>> Are you saying that is himself was misled into believing into these words?

[00:06:50]He was inspired a great deal by it that the Bible that >> but the Bible is inspiring.

[00:06:55]>> The Bible inspire whole generation and generation. I do have no problem with that.

[00:06:59]>> Yes.

[00:07:00]>> The Quran inspired a whole of people.

[00:07:02]The bag of vita inspired a whole of people.

[00:07:04]>> I think your problem don't as far as Christianity is concerned.

[00:07:07]>> I do have no problem. What a You know what my problem is?

[00:07:10]>> My problem is when you have a belief and a faith >> Yeah.

[00:07:14]>> and you try to put it on me and say this is how it go historically. That is my problem. No, >> no. You see the European ver you see Ethiopia was the first Christian nation.

[00:07:22]Do you know?

[00:07:28]>> So what that mean?

[00:07:30]>> Uh-huh.

[00:07:30]>> What that mean?

[00:07:31]>> Ethiopia.

[00:07:32]>> So what that mean?

[00:07:33]>> I'm saying that if there was no value to Christianity, there was no spiritual value.

[00:07:38]>> I never said there's no value to it.

[00:07:40]>> Yeah.

[00:07:40]>> There must be a value to it if one billion people accept it.

[00:07:43]>> Yes.

[00:07:45]>> I never said value. I mean you actually find it reprehensible.

[00:07:48]>> Yes. Because it's enslaving black people >> for 500 years.

[00:07:53]>> In what way? It's not us because the religion is that we have been feeding on you know is really our history. You know >> which history?

[00:08:02]>> Huh?

[00:08:02]>> Which history?

[00:08:03]>> The whole idea of this written word coming down from one generation from one century from one. Huh?

[00:08:10]>> I know my >> Oh, you mean no man? The the the Nile run from the Nile run from the highlands of Ethiopia down to the lowlands of Egypt, you know.

[00:08:20]>> So what that mean?

[00:08:21]>> I am saying >> so what that mean [laughter] movie about place but some cityh >> you know make movie about Batman. You think Batman never in a city you don't call the name of streets >> in New York to show you that Batman exist.

[00:08:37]Well, you know, mingling.

[00:08:40]>> No, but the same thing with the Bible, you calling places that exist.

[00:08:45]>> And because people call the place that exist, you're saying the thing must happen. That don't make no sense.

[00:08:51]>> This is real thing.

[00:08:52]>> Yeah. But Superman exist.

[00:08:54]>> Superman exist.

[00:08:56]>> Superman fly over the Statue of Liberty.

[00:08:59]>> Now, let's not confuse what?

[00:09:01]>> No, it's not. No, it's the same. It's the same thing. All you do, you think up a story and put it in a place that is real.

[00:09:08]>> You think up a story, you put the thing in a place that is real.

[00:09:12]>> There's no brother Nancy. But brother N is a fant. There's no brother Nancy.

[00:09:18][laughter] >> But no, man. Get real.

[00:09:21]>> Of I'm getting real. I am getting real because you people want me to believe.

[00:09:26]>> Yes.

[00:09:27]>> That a Jewish snake was talking to a woman.

[00:09:30]>> Uhhuh. And you people want me to believe that a man hold up a rod.

[00:09:34]>> A Jewish snake.

[00:09:36]>> Tell a Jewish snake. I couldn't snake because a Jewish story.

[00:09:40]>> Who is a Jew?

[00:09:41]>> Who is a Jew?

[00:09:42]>> Yeah.

[00:09:42]>> You tell me why.

[00:09:43]>> But you have a whole lot of Ethiopians who are a Jew, you know.

[00:09:46]>> No, them become Jew.

[00:09:47]>> No, no, no, no. Yeah. People become Jew.

[00:09:50]>> Yeah. But but you make it seem like it's a racial thing.

[00:09:53]>> No. Is a Ethiopian first. I can be Ethiopian not be a Jew.

[00:09:58]>> But the emperor himself was a Jew. Who said that?

[00:10:02]>> You ever hear the mentality was the conquering line of the tribe of Judah? Does it have to be a Jew?

[00:10:08]>> No sir.

[00:10:10]>> No sir.

[00:10:10]>> No >> no no sir.

[00:10:13]>> This whole idea of of um giving himself this title of the conquering a title title is a tradition of Ethiopia.

[00:10:25]It's not a member of the tribe of Judah to become the conquering line of the tribe of >> Yeah. I am saying to you, >> you say to give him that title.

[00:10:36]>> I am saying to you that is did not give him that title.

[00:10:38]>> But that title is a tradition of a book I was reading earlier with Leonard Mosley after the conquering.

[00:10:45]>> Yeah, I read it too.

[00:10:46]>> Huh?

[00:10:46]>> I read it too.

[00:10:47]>> Yes. But I'm saying that um to be a a member of the of [laughter] the um the emperor of Judah, >> you have to become that linage.

[00:10:57]>> Yes.

[00:10:57]>> Yeah. So what happened?

[00:10:58]>> So are you I'm saying that then he must have been a Jew then?

[00:11:01]>> No. Who is a Jew?

[00:11:04]>> Because >> who is a Jew?

[00:11:05]>> A Jew is really a person who believe in the whole the whole testament you know the whole laws of Moses and build up a whole bunch of rituals and things around it. You know >> look here.

[00:11:15]>> Uhhuh. This like how you have >> Yeah.

[00:11:19]>> Fasha people knowh like you call a man.

[00:11:25]>> Yeah.

[00:11:25]>> It is not accepted.

[00:11:28]>> He's an Ethiopian Jew.

[00:11:30]>> No, it's beta Israelite. Call beta Israel.

[00:11:33]>> Oh.

[00:11:33]>> All right. So you don't say fashion [laughter] Judaism is a European heret because >> Judahism is Judahism. I am saying to you eyes ra now. Yeah.

[00:11:45]>> And I tell you about where I am in relationship to Latic.

[00:11:52]>> Don't tell me about tell me about my relationship with Lat >> as an individual.

[00:11:57]>> Yes.

[00:11:58]>> What you benefit? What are the benefits for believing for calling yourself a Rastafarian?

[00:12:05]>> What is my benefit?

[00:12:06]>> What? What are the benefits?

[00:12:07]>> You really want me to tell you that?

[00:12:08]>> Yeah man.

[00:12:09]>> Why?

[00:12:10]>> Because you see >> because what difference make in your life? Wait. What difference make in your life when I tell you that? Huh? Let's suppose I I see this thing as you know real.

[00:12:19]>> You try to make me into a crusader. You try to make me into a crusader. I am not a crusader.

[00:12:24]>> No, no, no. You have to explain your belief. You call yourself a >> I have to explain it.

[00:12:29]>> For why you're going to put me, you're going to behead me.

[00:12:32]>> No man, I have to explain it. I don't have to explain nothing to you.

[00:12:36]>> No, I mean if you're going to you a Christian, don't >> it? You a Christian, don't it? But he's a Christian. No, he's not. You're not a Christian.

[00:12:44]>> But I I have >> No, I ask you. He's a Christian.

[00:12:47]>> I said I'm a Israelite.

[00:12:48]>> All right. So, you're not a Christian, man?

[00:12:50]>> Nobody's born a Christian.

[00:12:51]>> Oh gosh, man.

[00:12:53]>> Nobody's born a Muslim.

[00:12:55]>> I Nobody's born nothing. You never b being a heterosexual neither. So, what happened?

[00:13:02]>> So, I'm saying that I'm a Israelite first and if there's a religious label I have to associate myself with, I would gladly.

[00:13:08]>> All right. You are Israelite.

[00:13:10]>> All right. Use a Israelite. I am not an Israelite.

[00:13:14]>> Well, you see that's another trying to show you. I am not trying to convert you.

[00:13:20]>> I am not trying to convert you to raster.

[00:13:23]>> I am not trying to convert you to raster. So I don't have to explain to you why I am a raster because you cannot kill me for being a raster.

[00:13:32]>> I mean you can't just sing a song, you know, and recite a poem and think that people should accept that.

[00:13:39]>> No, I never tell you. No, we there. None of my poems them is preaching nothing.

[00:13:43]My poems is expressing what I feel about situations in the society. I not preaching to nobody say kill. I have never written a poem like that.

[00:13:55]>> I have never written a poem saying if a man light kill him and if a man praise for him dead. I have never written a poem like that. All of my poems is written on the basis that this is a condition that I am seeing and this what I'm writing about. I don't write to convert people.

[00:14:13]>> No, no. There must be some reasonable explanation to life. Don't you think so?

[00:14:18]>> Some what is the reasonable equation to life?

[00:14:19]>> No. If I said explain to me what are the benefits of being a rock.

[00:14:25]>> Yeah. But yeah, but that is what people always commit to rack. No man, >> I must explain to you why Christian.

[00:14:32]>> What is the >> What are the benefits?

[00:14:35]>> What What does it benefit you >> to be a Christian?

[00:14:37]>> If it benefit me to be a raster, >> well, you see the thing is >> I I don't I'm not trying to convert you.

[00:14:43]>> No, I'm not going to >> I come on the radio to convert people to raster. I don't come here to convert people to no raster.

[00:14:48]>> What I'm saying, you see, if if you ask me as a Christian, then what as a religious belief, not as a >> Yeah. What is the benefit of >> what are the benefits?

[00:14:56]>> You will say it.

[00:14:57]>> Yes. But I am saying I am no obligation to defend why I'm a rapper to you.

[00:15:02]>> No wouldn't be to me you know personally >> is you are talking to I'm not talking to you talking to you know you ask me the question of people who out there thinking that this whole idea of being a raarign leave one without some kind of hope.

[00:15:17]>> Yeah. Just like just like any other Christian. Yeah.

[00:15:20]>> What if a Christian people believe say Christianity leave them without hope?

[00:15:24]What people believe Muslim lead them without hope? No, a Christian could never believe that Christianity um is a hopeless thing >> even in this life or the other. But I am that there must be some kind of hope.

[00:15:43]>> You're right. There's not a hope in all the program. You know >> the salvation then you believe that some form of salvation.

[00:15:49]>> Salvation for what?

[00:15:50]>> Huh?

[00:15:51]>> Salvation for what?

[00:15:52]>> Now let let's let's get to the human.

[00:15:55]Salvation for what >> I am saying >> what am I being salvation about >> the fact that we are not just mere flesh you know >> no tell me what are you tell what is the meaning of salvation >> some kind of hope beyond this >> but I am hopeful in many things >> but what are you call salvation what you mean when you say salvation >> I am saying >> some kind of hope beyond what >> why you keep for one about two years you come to me with this thing you're not why you trying convert me.

[00:16:25]>> No, I'm not trying to convert you.

[00:16:26]>> I'm not trying to convert you to >> you is an Israelite. Just keep on being an Israelite.

[00:16:33]>> I tell you guys a roster.

[00:16:34]>> I am saying >> I don't have to explain. You don't have to explain to me why isite. You know >> as I never explain I never ask you.

[00:16:41]>> You see from the time you tell me say Israelite.

[00:16:43]>> Yeah.

[00:16:43]>> I never ask you to explain what benefits you know.

[00:16:47]>> I don't you don't know obligation to me >> to explain why he's a Israelite. But m you have taken up on your head to to what?

[00:16:56]>> To wage a relentless campaign.

[00:16:58]>> Yeah. Because I have seen what the Christian faith is doing to the minds of the people. Now >> what is your faith doing to your mind?

[00:17:06]>> My mind?

[00:17:07]>> Yeah.

[00:17:08]>> You don't see my faith is waking up to the realization that this thing is not working for black people.

[00:17:13]>> I hear you condemning Christianity, but you're not putting forward reasonable explanation.

[00:17:20]>> Why condemning it? Why you condemning it?

[00:17:23]>> Yeah.

[00:17:23]>> And not putting no forward. So all the time listen to me, you don't hear no explanation. You don't hear me saying that these people has perpetuated a mythology and make it become a history.

[00:17:35]>> Who these people >> the people who give the story the story that snake talk to a woman in a garden literally. It was only recently, you know, it was only recently the Europeans uh dismissed a great deal of superstition and and ignorance. And I'm going to tell you this, when Christianity was introduced into Europe, they associated with a whole lot of their pagan ways and paganism and and um old superstitious ways and they associated in order to find Christianity acceptable. Europeans associate their own little idiosyncing practice to Christianity.

[00:18:13]>> Yeah. Like a man like like a like a woman not having sex and having a child.

[00:18:17]>> Yeah. Those are are myths that are associated with a particular >> Yeah. Well, what you must do now? You must go and tell the Christians.

[00:18:23]>> Yeah.

[00:18:24]>> That these things are mythology.

[00:18:26]>> No, no, no, no. Christianity itself is not a myth with my mythology.

[00:18:30]>> No, listen.

[00:18:30]>> It is based on facts. What is the fact that a woman that a woman is the fact that a man born >> of the man who spoke or died >> 2,000 years ago >> never come to sex >> is irre irrelevant it doesn't matter how came it doesn't matter to me >> but it not matter to you >> find much matter to you you know but it matter to a million of people because if them ever tell the people them say Mary was a normal woman have sex >> the glorification of Jesus Christ would diminish.

[00:19:05]It would diminish.

[00:19:07]The basis of Christian belief, >> yeah, >> is that this man came of a virgin, died on a cross and raised from the dead.

[00:19:15]That is the basis of Christian belief.

[00:19:17]And if you start to tell the people them that this man did come normal and dead and never raised another dead then your faith >> that and obvious Christianity and that type of belief >> every Christian that I talk to himself did Christ himself be his religion is >> Christ >> listen to me >> every Christian that I have spoken to in my life Uh-huh.

[00:19:46]>> Believe that Jesus Christ born from a woman who never have sex, dead on a cross and raised from the dead and gone of heaven. Every Christian that I talk to believe that >> you talking you talk to church attendants.

[00:20:00]>> No, I say >> now you're talking to church.

[00:20:03]>> So you don't know Christian believe that.

[00:20:05]>> You don't know Christian believe that.

[00:20:06]>> I know a lot of church attendants who believe >> you don't know Christian.

[00:20:12]>> Listen to me. Let me ask you. You don't know no Christian will believe that.

[00:20:16]>> Huh?

[00:20:16]>> You don't know no Christian will believe that.

[00:20:18]>> I've never known a Christian that believe.

[00:20:20]>> You don't know Christian believe that Jesus Christ born of a virgin on the cross and raised from the dead.

[00:20:26]>> I know I know um Pentecostals and I know um Roman Catholics and Protestants. I know a whole lot of those type of people >> and Christian. [clears throat] >> Well, you know, >> he's a pious brother. You >> he's pious man.

[00:20:41]>> No, no, no. self righteous.

[00:20:43]>> In what way?

[00:20:44]>> Because here is you now.

[00:20:45]>> Yeah.

[00:20:45]>> I am telling you that I know a Christian.

[00:20:49]>> Now you know a lot of church attendance.

[00:20:51]>> So them is not Christian. Then >> go on the title Christian.

[00:20:54]>> So people who believe this is not Christian.

[00:20:55]>> The people who believe who are a Christian are those that believe in Christ himself.

[00:21:00]>> Yeah. I am saying >> yeah dogma.

[00:21:03]>> You hear what?

[00:21:05]people who believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, died on a cross and raised from the dead >> physically. These people are not Christians.

[00:21:20]>> No.

[00:21:20]>> All right. All right.

[00:21:21]>> No.

[00:21:22]>> All right. Next subject.

[00:21:24]>> I would say the >> next subject, man.

[00:21:26]>> You know the emperor is a Christian.

[00:21:27]>> Next subject.

[00:21:29]>> Next subject. [laughter] Well, you ask me double up a question answer way down the line already. You ask already emperor.

[00:21:45]>> Next subject.

[00:21:47]>> Next subject.

[00:21:48]>> Um >> because he's pious and he's self-righteous.

[00:21:51]>> Why?

[00:21:52]>> Because you is telling me that these people who believe that is not Christian.

[00:21:55]>> But you're defending them now and earlier before.

[00:21:57]>> I'm not defending them. That is what >> I'm not defending.

[00:22:05]>> I am trying to show you what the Christians believe.

[00:22:09]They are still hanging on to it.

[00:22:12]You know what I'm saying? Your perception of the truth does not necessarily correspond with what is morally and spiritually truthful. You know, >> but I wasn't trying to identify my moralistic ways with yours and our people one.

[00:22:27]Well, you know, >> I don't eat cook food. I don't I'm not trying to impose it on you.

[00:22:31]>> Well, you know, I mean, regardless, >> I don't have no shoes. I'm not trying to tell you must wear shoes.

[00:22:36]>> But, you know, I mean, every man have a right to live their own life.

[00:22:40]>> Yeah. Try show your brethren. So why you try impose Jesus from >> impose the subject of Christianity and whenever you start waging a war against it >> all these things you know >> you hear you bishop >> that man himself um is a European him talking about him >> as if the Jews is a race unto itself you come like you heard him >> you heard But that doesn't mean anything.

[00:23:14]>> If you're not a Christian to you, if he's not a Christian >> in his own way, I suppose he have um but you see a lot of um >> time don't believe there was a virgin birth >> mingling Christianity with errors and falsehood make it right.

[00:23:29]>> Why come you have a church?

[00:23:31]>> Huh?

[00:23:31]>> You have a church.

[00:23:32]>> My church you see >> is the word of Christ.

[00:23:36]>> Yes.

[00:23:36]>> And that building church and you know >> Mhm. who building church? Christ himself and that little rock, that little word.

[00:23:44]>> Yeah.

[00:23:44]>> You know the Messiah.

[00:23:46]>> You own anything. You own anything. You own anything.

[00:23:49]>> You own anything.

[00:23:51]>> Like what?

[00:23:51]>> House, car, telephone, radio. You own anything.

[00:23:55]>> There are certain little things that you could associate personal belonging.

[00:23:59]>> Okay.

[00:24:00]>> But I'm saying that >> them say Jesus Christ never wor certain things from people when you go preach the gospel. It's because you don't understand >> understand it.

[00:24:10]>> The idea of >> him coming 20,000 years ago.

[00:24:14]>> Your interpretation was not anything.

[00:24:16]>> You mean I don't understand your interpretation?

[00:24:18]>> No. Listen. Go back into his word and read it before you word.

[00:24:22]>> Yeah.

[00:24:23]>> A word.

[00:24:23]>> The word with good understanding.

[00:24:28]>> Which man work? Which work?

[00:24:30]>> Wisdom.

[00:24:30]>> Where you work?

[00:24:32]>> It don't really work.

[00:24:33]>> You don't work.

[00:24:34]>> No.

[00:24:35]So you worship, >> you know, you have to worship.

[00:24:39]>> Worship work is worship to me.

[00:24:41]>> No, no, I don't worship in in that.

[00:24:43]>> You don't work as a man.

[00:24:46]>> So you know, you know, earn money a week time, month one time, yearly.

[00:24:49]>> Of course, I have to find some way of >> So where you do? So you don't work. So where you get more money? You teach people, you rob people then?

[00:24:55]>> No, I wouldn't go to that ext.

[00:24:57]>> So So you don't work and you know, you have money. So where you get money from?

[00:25:00]You have a big rich family with dead money with you.

[00:25:03]>> I tell you. M >> that blessing come in many ways.

[00:25:08]>> Oh, it drop from the sky like mana.

[00:25:10]>> I'm telling you, he's almost like that.

[00:25:12][laughter] >> But but yes, I've been provided for and [laughter] I try not to problem to anybody.

[00:25:22]>> Get real, man.

[00:25:22]>> No, I I've been provided for.

[00:25:24]>> Get real.

[00:25:25]>> Huh?

[00:25:26]>> You have children?

[00:25:27]>> 10.

[00:25:28]>> You have 10 children?

[00:25:29]>> How much woman? Well, it it was a a result of two, but yeah, but as a result of um trying to keep the peace.

[00:25:39]>> So, how much one have you? How much the other one? One of you?

[00:25:42]>> Six of four?

[00:25:43]>> Six and four. And all of them are alive.

[00:25:44]>> Yeah. All of them.

[00:25:45]>> So, is them old enough that you have to work for them?

[00:25:49]>> About all them in school.

[00:25:51]>> All of them in school. 10 of them.

[00:25:54]>> So, you have enough school for January come.

[00:25:56]>> I'm telling you.

[00:25:57]>> So, you're well rich. You're a rich man.

[00:26:00]Rich in spirit.

[00:26:01]>> No. We talk about school fee. Rich wisdom.

[00:26:03]>> No. Wisdom can't pay a school fee.

[00:26:05]>> I tell you that I'd use my wisdom >> to pay the school fee to spare the school fee >> to get what is necessary.

[00:26:13]>> Tell that say it's money. Pay a school fee.

[00:26:16]>> Yes.

[00:26:16]>> So how you get that money through your wisdom? Tell me.

[00:26:19]>> Well, it's a whole it's a long story.

[00:26:21]>> No. Well, tell me short version about >> tell me the edited version. 20 years 20 odd years ago I said that if I am to serve God in in the way that a man is supposed to serve you can't serve him and money.

[00:26:38]>> Yeah. But I not serve money. I say I said >> you have 10 picnic.

[00:26:41]>> Yes.

[00:26:42]>> And the 10 of them go school.

[00:26:43]>> Yes.

[00:26:44]>> So I know say January come.

[00:26:46]>> Uhhuh.

[00:26:47]>> It's not free business. I going to school now.

[00:26:49]>> Yes. You have to find book.

[00:26:51]>> It's really a big business. Yeah. me I say now as a father of 10 children >> how do you acquire money to send your children to school that simple question don't make it intellectual [laughter] >> it's a simple ratted question may I ask you how do you acquire money to send your children to school >> well I can build a house you know >> you build house >> so he's an architect >> not necessarily I just have a piece of land um put up a few rooms and rent them >> so you you get money from rental of house Yeah, that ask it sounds so >> but like a man you know just a b simple question ask you talk too much intellectual thing about Jesus and that right >> no man you have to secure your soul you know my soul secure man >> there's nothing I can do outside of what is happening here and nothing can happen to me outside of what is happening here >> but you know every man life is limited >> of course >> and 150 years None of us who living now will be here.

[00:27:54]>> Yeah. And and the fact that we know this is fact that um immortality is we're all existing under that um death.

[00:28:05]>> It is for us living beings >> to try to understand not only life that we live but the death that we have to face in >> that is where Christ himself come in.

[00:28:17]>> No man watch >> that is where comes when no man look man. Huh?

[00:28:20]>> Dead comes when no man look. So you want to know.

[00:28:24]>> True. But you can't >> all you can do is prepare for who you going to leave in the life here.

[00:28:29]>> True.

[00:28:30]>> So we call when you dead.

[00:28:31]>> Yes.

[00:28:32]>> I don't know what you can do to prepare for that.

[00:28:35]>> More than just try to eat good food >> 2,000 years ago >> and don't get sick.

[00:28:39]>> 2,000 years ago. The Messiah himself make that way clear.

[00:28:43]>> No man, that's a belief man.

[00:28:45]>> That's what I'm trying to show you.

[00:28:46]Don't try to impose your belief on me.

[00:28:49]You hear talking good to you. Don't try to impose your belief on me.

[00:28:55]Impose my belief on you.

[00:28:57]>> I don't believe in you, Jesus Christ.

[00:28:59]>> You should let it rest.

[00:29:01]>> You should let it rest.

[00:29:02]>> No, because you know what? It's man like you make keep talking about it.

[00:29:06]>> No man, I think you're still troubled by the fact that you will not overcome Christianity.

[00:29:12]>> No, it's man like you.

[00:29:13]>> Believe the fact that you cannot explain it rationally.

[00:29:16]>> Explain what? There's no rationality to Christian belief.

[00:29:21]There's no rationality to Christian belief. It's a faith.

[00:29:25]>> Well, >> there's no rationality >> to Christian belief. Christian belief is based upon faith and faith alone.

[00:29:33]>> Well, for it to exist have to have no rational 2,000 years ago, then a lot of faith would have to be >> no.

[00:29:40]>> The reason why Christianity has existed so long >> is because of the crusades and the cruelty. to impose this religion.

[00:29:51]>> But we there you know that most countries that adear to Christianity was it was forced on them by people outside of their country.

[00:30:07]>> Now if I go back into time >> Yes. When when the disciples were going out going out going out where they was in their own country >> into the world which world manip world >> Christianity did spread in >> where the disciples go >> I mean they started off from Jerusalem >> yeah and go >> and they spread themselves some went to Ethiopia some went to Egypt some went to Spain >> which disciples were Ethiopia >> huh >> which disciple Ethiopia >> well one of disciples No, which disciple go to Ethiopia?

[00:30:44]I don't know that story.

[00:30:46]>> Well, >> I know them say Philip Bapt Ethiopia and you know and then go back to Ethiopia and spread the gospel.

[00:30:51]>> Yes.

[00:30:51]>> But which disciple you know go to Ethiopia?

[00:30:53]>> Well, but you see the thing is the Ethiopians and the people that who who once inhabited Jerusalem at the time of Christ were very much related. You know, >> related in what?

[00:31:05]>> In what way?

[00:31:06]>> Huh?

[00:31:07]>> In what way?

[00:31:07]>> Racial. racially and religious belief because the um Ethiopians were long anticipating them to come in Messiah long before coming when Ethiopian anticipate coming Christ is Philip baptiz with it >> coming of the Messiah had had to be a a vision before it become a reality >> that is where I imagine >> no no no >> there's no record of what you said Philip baptized is a Ethiopian union and the Ethiopian go back to Ethiopia.

[00:31:42]>> It wouldn't mean anything to him if they weren't living into that.

[00:31:45]>> No, no, no. It's colonialism.

[00:31:47]>> No, it's colonialism. The present form of >> Christianity colonized the old western world and part of the eastern world.

[00:31:53]>> Present form of religion. Christianity.

[00:31:57]>> Christianity is perpetuated by violence.

[00:32:01]Historically, Christianity is a violent religion. No, Christianity is what the men use to control Africa.

[00:32:13]We should have done already, you know.

[00:32:16]Listen, man.

[00:32:17]>> Tell me which country who is the biggest perpetrators of the Christian crusade.

[00:32:26]>> The Roman crusaders. The crusaders.

[00:32:28]>> The Roman Catholics.

[00:32:29]>> How did the crusaders go about?

[00:32:32]>> The Roman Catholics. The crusaders have killed Muslims, kill Jews, >> Roman Catholics.

[00:32:37]>> The the the the the Spanish Inquisition, kill off anybody.

[00:32:42]>> Roman Catholics.

[00:32:44]>> But it's Christianity. Wait, when did Europe become Europe? Europe is a new name. You know, it's Christianom. It used the name, you know. Europe used the name Christendom. It's just the other day them call it Europe because the whole of Europe was Christian.

[00:32:58]>> So are you saying now Christ himself was a European then?

[00:33:01]>> No. Christ.

[00:33:02]>> Uhhuh. Jesus Christ is a Greek Roman mythology. I tell you to tell you that there's no man on earth that the name Jesus Christ.

[00:33:10]>> All right. For argument, >> no argument sake.

[00:33:14]>> No, we don't fake and fake. We tell you say >> Christianity.

[00:33:19]>> Uhhuh.

[00:33:20]>> God big through murder robbery through cruing killing. But Emperor himself was the last of the crusader king when crusade >> in his own country.

[00:33:37]Don't be stupid man.

[00:33:38]>> No I'm telling >> don't be an man >> with the assistance >> don't be an by the radio man at 25 minutes before >> with the assistance of France.

[00:33:46]>> Don't be an With the assistance of Rome, France, and England, the emperor was assisted, >> brethren, >> the emperor was assisted, >> brethren, >> to prevent Ethiopia from becoming an Islamic kingdom.

[00:34:00]>> My brethren, don't be an >> Listen to what I said.

[00:34:04]>> Go back to the same book.

[00:34:08]>> Going back. Listen to me.

[00:34:11]>> Go back to that book. I'm telling you, >> yeah, >> that Christianity, Christianity, the history of Christianity has shown me that most of the places in the world that has taken on to Christianity, it got there through killing, raping, pilip, the original.

[00:34:35]>> And you know what we have to do now?

[00:34:36]Yeah, >> we have to leave because at 25 minutes before.

[00:34:41]>> All right.

[00:34:42]>> All right, sir.

[00:34:44]Jesus, you call me again.

[00:34:47]I don't talk about this subject.

[00:34:48]>> Well, you keep >> and now you call again converted eventually >> because no convert me >> but no man Zion.

[00:35:01]Well, you Jerusalem belong to us and you only it can only be a price to go back there.

[00:35:09]>> You want Jerusalem?

[00:35:10]>> Me say for Jerusalem already.

[00:35:13]>> You see the people Jerusalem really belong there. You know >> the people just a part of just a part of that prophecy.

[00:35:20]>> We never say the people Jerusalem belong there say go Jerusalem already.

[00:35:23]>> Yeah.

[00:35:24]>> Jerusalem is a geographical place in Israel. I've been there already. I'm not talking about the people who occupy.