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Yeah.
Woke up in the morning and to God be the glory. Thankful for another day to tell my story. Put my opinions in the universe and let them orbit. I'm from the dirty south with a dirty mouth might need orbit. Miss thing on me like a [ __ ] orbit. Had to refuse them cuz my [ __ ] no rest. She gorgeous. As I dab my sons up and kiss my daughter forehead.
Tell them we going to get this money till my pockets. Remember living in apartments now we playing mortgage.
>> I think for somebody who generates let's say let's say you generate one to three million views per month and then another person generates three to six and then another person generates six to 10. Like there has to be a pay scale and incentive for that. Yeah. But then what they'll do is your video that go crazy viral >> they'll lower the CPM on it.
>> So let's say you was making >> let's say your CPM was like 130 >> a video that you do 250k on is like crazy. Yeah.
>> But if you do 2 million >> Yeah. They not >> a man. You going to eat off that. So you think they then you go look at your CPM that [ __ ] like 23 cents.
>> Yeah.
>> Like what the [ __ ] >> Yeah. It's sick. YouTube does that as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> They got it. I mean, it's they [ __ ] though. You know what I mean? It's >> that's why I'm really like I'm thinking about like how I wanna I I you know I really admire what you're doing. How you you going straight to consumer like live shows like I'm thinking more about how I want to be direct to consumer because I don't want to be relying completely relying on these platforms.
>> Yeah.
>> You can't. It's just like our voice is too I think powerful and important to like hope that Instagram right now Instagram [ __ ] with me. I'm not going to lie. But what if they stop?
>> Yeah.
>> What if they take my account? What if what if they give me a community viol uh violation for no for some [ __ ] and then I'm I'm gone. [ __ ] can't find me no more.
>> So I was like I got I got to find another way to you know >> when the when the thing with Tik Tok happened when the first it was crazy, bro. I was on the app cuz they was saying it's going to go away at this time. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And I'm like, man, you know, I believe it when I see it.
>> Yeah.
>> That [ __ ] went away, bro.
>> Yeah.
>> And I was like, okay, this social media [ __ ] is way too fick.
>> Mhm.
>> It's too >> It's too controlled by powers that are not invested in me. They not invested in my interest. And they're not invested in like the things that I care about. They invested in their own interest. Mhm.
>> So then I started to really like kind of go through I get into like these little bags of like let me see what they are promoting.
>> Mhm.
>> And the people that get millions of views, they ain't talking about [ __ ] >> They never are. It's it's always like >> it's either it's it's always goofy [ __ ] >> It's drama.
>> It's it's gossip, but it's also like whatever is trendy. Like this is the this is the it girl and this is the trendy dance she's doing. And this [ __ ] got 10 million views. Why?
>> Yeah.
>> It's a 8se second video.
>> You know what I mean? Um, but things like the the discourse me and you would be having, that's >> that's a well I want to get to that in a second, but one thing you said I think is I'll even add to you said they're not these platforms are not invested in people like us. They're actually, not only are they not invested in people like us, they're way too willing to let people like Trump [ __ ] them in the ass.
Like I don't know why these [ __ ] got [ __ ] you money. They never say [ __ ] you.
Like Apple, Google, between Apple, Google, Meta, they could tank Donald Trump. They could make it so that every time you search his name, something bad comes up in the algorithm on Google.
They could change America's entire perspective of this man. Nobody's watching cable news no more.
>> They're on their phones. Instagram could take every positive video that the Trump administration tried to put out and they could >> and then they they they they just want to like lick his balls for some reason.
I don't I like I don't understand what that's about. Like >> I wonder what the tax incentive is cuz there has to be an incentive right there. There's there's a reason why then he when he when he gets elected now he's surrounded by Zuck Bezos and Musk.
There's a reason. I mean, Bezos had recently bought the Washington Post.
>> Uh, you know, Mark Zuckerberg is like heavily invested in data collection.
>> That is what Meta is. It's a data collection center.
>> And then Elon is just whatever. Elon is >> Yeah. When I see a [ __ ] in a cyber truck, I'm like, man, it's just wild to me that like, you know, when Barack Obama got elected, the first thing that happened after the, you know, the fight at the housing crisis, all of these Wall Street dudes got him in the room and they tried to bully him. Like they were like, "Yo, you're the new kid on the block. You don't understand how Wall Street works, but we're going to tell you, you got to, you know, do this. You got to do that."
And he did some of it. He did. He bailed out GE. Like he did some of it, but also his energy back was like, "Hey, y'all got us in this in this in the first place, so what? Like, calm calm the [ __ ] down." That's that's when I was like, "Oh, this [ __ ] like he's a he's a real G." But like the the powers that be now don't see the president as somebody that they could even pump. That scares me even more so than like I would think that they would be like, "We're so powerful, we could buy the president of the United States."
Mhm.
>> They're not doing that at all. That's what confuses me. And so even, you know, we were talking about like Tim Cook leaving the new guy coming in, like if they're just going to keep being subservant to Trump, bringing back to conversation we're having before, we got to find new ways >> to to get our voice out here, you know?
Like it it can't be it can't be Apple Meta. Like these [ __ ] have too much of a connection to the president of the United States.
>> What do you think that looks like going forward, though? Do you think that I'm going ask you this after Oh, Josh Josh Doss, guys. We Yeah, we roll.
>> Oh, we rolling. Let's do it.
>> Yeah. Uh Josh Doss is a political strategist, um poster from Chicago, leading black voter and economic studies for advocacy organization and electoral campaigns, started grassroot organizing in Chicago, building to research roles with national entities like Global Strategy Group and the White House.
These roles led him to be featured in several major TV and print publications, New York Times, Newsweek, and more.
2025, Doss was listed as the Route 100's most influential black leaders, honoring his commit commitment to civic engagement and encouraging political discourse, highlighting historical historically unrep underrepresented communities and beating me as the best dress.
>> You still on that?
>> He said that's not chic.
I ain't going to hold you, what I had wasn't chic either. It was just that trench coat. I really wanted something for that trench coat.
>> [ __ ] was fun though.
>> No, you came fresh as hell. I was like, damn, I ain't winning [ __ ] >> Yeah, man. Josh, ladies and gentlemen.
Um, but I do want to ask you this.
You've you've been you've been in in the, you know, in the political space for how long? How many years?
>> In my whole career, I guess. Uh, eight years.
>> What What president was the first one when you came in?
>> Uh, Trump. Trump was the first.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, so from a person who observed the Obama presidency as to me what it seems like the last like >> American pre presidency as far as like how like as business as usual >> ever since I feel like Trump got elected, this [ __ ] has just been a clown show.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, do you see it ever going back or do you just see it getting perpetually worse?
>> It's not I don't think it's going to get perpetually worse. I think even even though a lot of the white non-oled educated white voters in in the south in the upper rust belt that voted in Trump two times now even though they uh really hate the system and want to vote against the system and would vote against the system again they acknowledge the chaos that this man is.
He's extremely unpopular. And I think the question is it's not going to go it's not going to keep being a clown show, but what it will return to will look different than what it was before.
>> That's the question I think like we got to figure out. Yeah, >> that's I think that's where I'm at. Do you think it ever goes Do you think there's ever a presidency in in our lifetime that resembles the Obama, Bushes, those things?
>> Yeah, I think we'll return back. I think we will return back to that. I mean, there was like a there was a level of of comfortability in that that I think people do miss. And, you know, this is probably a failing of the Democratic party is, you know, for for whether folks like President Biden or not, um he his presidency didn't didn't encourage any type of infrastructure of continuity, right? you what he was bringing to the table was was generally fine, but like with his age, you couldn't imagine four more years of that and then like his air bringing another four more years of that. So, you just have a a place where people are like, well, I don't know if we can keep getting like things out of a person that seems like he's almost at the grave. Yeah, for sure.
>> Maybe we're going to go back to Donald Trump or something like that. But to answer your question, I think we go back to some type of more structured president for sure.
>> Um, seeing seeing how Mom Donnie is doing in in New York as a democratic socialist and openly a democratic socialist, not trying to hide behind terms or anything, just that is what it is. Um, New York is the biggest like it's one of the biggest cities in the world, let alone America. and seeing him affecting the change that he's affecting there. Do you think that the average voter across the United States would ever be more in favor of a president that looks like that, especially with his youth and >> he could do this for another 20, 30 years if he wanted to?
>> Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to to say because, you know, you're right. New York is one of the biggest cities in in the world. It's the biggest city in America by far, but it is so progressive. It is such a progressive city and frankly the the majority of the country when you look at where they are on issues are not exactly where New Yorkers are.
>> Right.
>> Right. They're not fully on the place of you have a plurality of folks that are saying things like Medicare for all um some type of CBI UGC and stuff like that. But you don't see the rest of America just there yet.
And so I think a candidate, now this is what I will say about Mum Donnie and and Barack Obama had this.
>> When you have a candidate that is that personable and charismatic, you can make you can you can do some damage though.
>> Yeah.
>> Like that man. Do you see how he had Trump?
>> Yeah.
>> Smiling.
>> Yeah.
>> And called him a fascist right >> right to his face.
>> Standing right next to him.
>> Well, even when they ask him questions, he don't fold.
>> He don't fold. That's what people like about him, bro. I think that that I think that the thing is is that we've been taught that you play to power instead of challenging power. So he's a person that's actively like challenging power even when they asked him like u basically they were trying to you know uh I think Kamla announced that she's going to run again and they was basically asking him if he's endorsing her right >> and he's like I'm not focused on the next election like I'm focused on New York City right now that's >> you know what I mean but like >> they try to back these these camp these these politicians in the corners he seems like the person that's not always going for politically correct answer.
Yeah. But like what's real?
>> Yeah. And I think people I think people respect that. My question or I guess as we're watching his you know him uh kind of be over New York is when you do have to play politics because he will at some point you know he'll need Hokll to implement some of his agenda.
How will he navigate not necessarily, you know, folding to some of the like the Democratic establishment, but also making coalitions because politics is a game of of of coalitions, you know, and this is what, you know, we talk about leftists and stuff like where I think they miss the mark on politics is they want to be really exclusionary with their politics. And you do have to find a way to say like, I don't agree with you on everything. How can I still bring you into my camp? And mom Donniey's got a a swath of supporters that they don't like compromise that much.
>> Yeah.
>> They don't like, you know, so I I'm just curious as to how it'll keep. But he's doing a great job right now, though.
Like so far, for sure.
>> I think that mentality does come from just as an observer. I'm I'm in favor, you know, me. I'm like not a left or right. I think I'm left-leaning with my politics as it stands, but I just don't trust politicians at all. And I I think our government is extremely corrupt. And I mean, I think it's it's more evident now than it ever has been.
>> Um, >> and I think with presidents like Obama, it's like it's very easy to be cool with the corruption because it's like he's got it under control.
>> You know what I mean? Um, >> I think with someone like Trump, it seems it just you it just reeks of it >> where it's like, man, bro, like this is what we representing. Yeah.
>> Um, >> I think, you know, we know what America is. America is what it's always been.
So, um I think for me the thing that I get from leftists and and the reason why they don't want to be compromising is because they don't see the compromise on the right.
>> And so they're I think it's a lot of emulating that behavior where it's like, well, they don't compromise. They seem to get everything they want, so why would we compromise? Yeah.
>> Um but could you speak to that? What you see like when you say compromise and do you see that on the right a lot? You know, maybe I'm saying this because I'm fresh off of this little uh onehour podcast I had with Stephen A, but I actually feel like the right side of the aisle actually will compromise on policy for political capital. Stephen, when you hear Stephen A speak, actually a lot of the [ __ ] he be saying is is pretty left-leaning.
That's not the stuff that goes viral, though, right? The stuff that goes viral is the stuff where he's saying some [ __ ] But the fact that the Hannities of the world will still welcome him, welcome him with open arms kind of does show they're willing to use his platform to get more people to vote for their candidates. Even if he doesn't 100% sound like the thing they almost don't care what you actually as long as you're convincing people to vote for Trump.
Yeah, >> they gonna kind of be like, "Oh, yeah, yeah, Stephen A, come on the show, >> you know." And so I'm, you know, is it real compromise? I don't know if it's real compromise.
>> Is it compromise or are they kind of finessing for >> It's more like a finesse.
>> It's a finesse because of the platform.
It's like, um, here's So, so the thing is is the left is like very very vocal on social media about what they detest.
So when a Steven Smith says this, even if the right doesn't agree with it, they say nothing. Yeah, >> they let the left chew him up. Like they let the left eat him up.
>> Um, and then the left is quiet if he does say anything that is left leaning, of course, because we don't look at Stephen A. Smith as a political and we honestly >> honestly I don't really care, you know, this may be naive, but I don't really care about Stephen A. Smith's political ideas or ideology because it's like, [ __ ] you you just you for 30 years I watch you talk about sports.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's just stay in that bag. But what we don't realize is like he does have a huge platform.
>> That's that's the only reason why I started because I was like people listen to him.
>> Yes. And and the thing is is that >> u with a 24-hour news cycle, it's only so much especially sports. There's 24 hours of sports news happening all the time.
>> So that kind of gives him a little leeway to get into other conversations and topics. And if his if his audience is 16 to 25 year old black and white males, >> they gonna like, hey, you know what I mean? And and and we know the right believes in cutting a check.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? That's why everybody griffs to the right because they spend the bread for sure.
>> And so and they spend the bread because ultimately they care about their outcome. And they all are like CEO, corporate, Wall Street [ __ ] that spend money to make money. So, and even if I'm not making money, I am making >> uh you know, I'm making my ends meet.
Like, I want this is what I want if I got to spend x amount of dollars over here to make that happen.
>> So, I [ __ ] with that a little bit sometime. I like how pra pragmatic I wish >> I mean it's just cutthroat, bro.
>> I wish we were a little and when I say we, I mean black like people who do politics to help black people. I wish we were a little more like strategic and cutthroat like that. like what are we willing to break if it's >> they don't incentivize the people that you know here's the thing if you on the right and you getting money if if you are grifting to the right and you getting paid for that the people that seem to grift to the right don't care about the noise because they're making the money. Yeah.
>> The people who seem to be bothered by that is people on the left who are for the left but not getting paid by the left. like they're lefting because that's their politics and then they get called a democratic shield. They get called this, this, and that. Like people have called me that. I'm like, [ __ ] I'm telling y'all to burn the whole [ __ ] down, but you know what I mean? If you want to judge me off of like the things like my politics are just extremely empathetic.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm want what's better for the the nation in general. And I know that that >> it's not just going to stop at black people, but I am for black people first.
And I don't think that that should be controversial when we have a whole party that's for white people.
>> I say I say every time somebody askked me, they're like, "Oh, you Democrat, Republican." I'm black.
>> Yeah.
>> I'll work with anybody that's trying to help black folks for sure.
>> Anybody like Like you said, there's enough people out here that are focusing on their group. [ __ ] going to be fine.
Like I'm I'm focusing on my group. And historically speaking, >> the things that help black people help everybody else.
>> I mean, that's the thing. Yes. It's like literally Reagan will talk about the the trickle down, but like what we talking about is this bottom up [ __ ] for sure.
>> Well, like if you help the people that's at the bottom, it's going to help everybody else at the bottom because eventually >> whatever is targeting you it's it's like they've already they already did the [ __ ] to us. So like this is why I think >> the the 92% is unique in this aspect.
And this is something I've been mulling over for the last week or two is that black people in general have really taken a >> stance of like we're we're letting the the gates up and we're opening up the moes and like y'all can fall in that water but we ain't opening these gates because we tried to tell y'all [ __ ] like >> yo this is what's going to happen. Like they telling y'all what they going to do and I don't know why you don't believe them. But I think that black people also caught a real understanding at the end of the day. It's like nobody is going to do anything that's going to be favorable to us or people that look like us. So, y'all got it.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that that >> that declaration of we're the 92% and this is what we doing >> was very offputting for a lot of people, even other black people. But I think now it's probably the best thing that happened because now they're begging for our attention. They're begging for our input. They're begging for our involvement. And [ __ ] are still like, "So, y'all, what's for dinner tonight?"
>> Yeah. And I think that that's important for us as people that have always tried to save this country from itself.
>> I'm struggling with it, bro. I don't know where I am with it because one thing I know is that a fascist authoritarian regime is not segmenting Mexican-Americans and black Americans and qu it's just it's everybody who is in the out group is going to catch that wrath. And so >> early on when I heard people being like, "Oh, you know, ICE, that's not our fight."
>> I'm like, "Yeah, not right now."
>> Yeah.
>> But billions of dollars going into a secret police rounding up [ __ ] like, "We know where that [ __ ] goes."
>> You know what I'm saying? That's not where it's at right now. But like, it's a matter of time. But then at the same time, I hear you because I'm like, how many times do black people have to come out and say, "Yo, this man is not just dangerous for us. He's dangerous for y'all, too." And then they get their hands slapped. We We out. And we I want to know your thoughts on this, too. I feel like black people, we're we're mad forgiving, bro. Like, we're we're very forgiving.
>> I think that that I think that's why it bothered even people like you. It bothered me at first, too. It bothered everybody because this is not the Okay, so we'll say like we need to stop being so forgiving and then the 92% is saying, "Yeah, we're done with forgiveness." And [ __ ] is like, "Well, >> you know, well, you know, and but I I think the thing is is like black women, >> they are always going to be in in the lead of like these movements and things like that. This is just historical fact.
They've always spearheaded movements."
Yeah. Um, and I think that this is one of those examples of times where we just like this makes me uncomfortable, but I'm a rock. And now like I I think >> politically just just >> just as it ju it's not even as it stands, just as it looks. We're probably in one of the best positions we could be in right now >> because >> black people really on some like y'all got it, bro. This y'all country. Y'all run it how y'all want to. We going to take care of ourselves. And I mean, we are some like in a real doof forel space right now. And I think that that's a very strong place to be in in a country that's like constantly declaring that it doesn't give a [ __ ] about you.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's got to be difficult for you because this is your whole career.
>> Yeah. It No, it is, bro. I'm telling you, toil with it because it's like I don't want that to lead into us not participating in elections, down ballot ballot elections. you know, you have like school boards and you have like the dollar amounts that gonna come to like our communities. Like this is life or death, right? And so I like the energy, but I'm afraid it how far it can go. Mainly because like there really isn't a place in this country for us to actually selfisolate. Every time we've tried to do it, >> it has been met with attack.
>> Yeah. And so the reality of the CAA of the case is like we actually do have to not work within the system, but like we have to at some point work >> around the levers of power in America.
Like we're here. You know what I'm saying? We here.
>> Even if you in Atlanta, like you're in Georgia. Even if you in Chicago, you in Illinois. Like, >> so I just I go back and forth with it.
So >> I think I think naturally, as you should, though, I think we all go back and forth. I I I've still been a huge advocate for local voting and understanding your local government. Um even at the state level when it comes time for elections.
>> Um and I don't and here's the thing is like a very educated group of people that are making this declaration. They may not be they may not be aware.
You know what? They are aware that the the community that they're talking to is not probably as politically astute or as educated as they are, >> but there has to be an understanding that we're all on the same page right now. Mhm.
>> And then it's like, okay, if we say green light go, like we just got to be able to accept that they do kind of hold that power in this space where it's like, okay, when they say green light go on this candidate, green light go on that candidate, I'm I could trust that they vetted the candidate and that they trust like this is what's in the best interest of the black.
>> That type of organization. Like do we have do we have that? You know what I'm saying? Because like cuz there's going to be moments we need to say, "Yo, green light, go. We got an opportunity here.
Like we can take this seat." Like I just I think that the women who have made this declaration as the 92% are probably some of the most educated and politically astute people that made a politically astute decision to pull out.
>> Um >> I I would say this I would say that we saw that it did it it had a it had a it had a micro effect on us with ICE but not a macro.
>> And I would say not macro because we wasn't on the front lines fighting.
>> Yeah, that's facts. That's right.
>> It just is what it is. We probably could have been looking at something like >> massacres if I'm being honest. Um, >> and I think even this situation that just happened, um, you know, it it always gets weird when it comes to these situations, but the young lady in um, Texas, the police officer in Texas, the the Latino woman that went on like a [ __ ] racist tirade and she's a cop.
>> Yeah. And you know they talking about she's on administrative leave and people are saying like nah she need to be fired.
>> Yeah.
>> Like because that's just racial bias that you going into the street with. I This is not a Starbucks [ __ ] This is like you know you supposed to serve and protect the community and you're in a black city.
>> Yeah.
>> I think she's in Dallas.
>> And then you sitting there saying you don't like [ __ ] like >> and you saying it just like that. And then there's people in the comments, other Hispanic women talking about, "I agree with her." Oh, what happened to freedom of speech? And then you got [ __ ] in their comments responding to them with ICE. Like, yeah, all right.
Well, we want to do that. Like, we'll do this. And it's like, it can't that gets nasty.
>> Yeah. I'm not going to lie, bro. But we don't really have no allies. I didn't it it caught me off guard in my early 20s.
Uh when I found out like the the mass number and I'm not saying it's all of the Latino community, but the the percentage that really don't [ __ ] with [ __ ] It really did cuz you know we grew up in the same hoods. Like I'm from the west side of Chicago. Like it's much of like Dominicans and Puerto Ricans and black folks and we we same same grocery stores like you know if you into the you know the gang [ __ ] like [ __ ] was banging different sets and [ __ ] like that but like outside of that it was we was in the same communities and it really like it caught me off guard in my early 20s where I was like oh wait like it's more of these [ __ ] that don't really [ __ ] with us than I thought. Like >> and until this day it's still like it's Wow.
>> Well here's the thing. It's we don't grow up we grow up with with self-hatred that is is anti-lack and it's like projection. It wants you to hate things about yourself. But but they but those things are like battles within.
>> You know what I mean? So it's not the same. It's it's a lot easier to get over anti-blackness that's projected on you when you black >> because the adverse of that is well I have to love myself and if I love myself then I got to love my neighbor >> and then I love my community and then anti-blackness it not only gets easy to spot but it also is like no I'm I'm pro black like [ __ ] that you know I'm black I'm pro black I think that is the thing that black people have to contend with as a projection from society these other communities are raising anti black cultures.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's not this is not an internal battle for them. It's very external.
>> External. Yeah. That's facts.
>> So it's not like once they get down with it, it's like Yeah. Like [ __ ] them [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> And and you know the rhetoric isn't something they really have to contend with because even if they are in close proximity to us, as they age, they'll segregate.
>> Yeah. And I think it just I you know America obviously has a tons of different types of like racist levers, but I think it really just speaks to how foundational antilack racism in particular is. And it's written into the formula of this country for us to have a mass migration of, you know, Latinos and and and Asian folks coming into community and for them to be able to not in plurality, of course, not the most of them, but for the ones that have, for them to be able to adopt antilackness so easily, it it just goes to show it's it's written in the code of being here in so many ways. You know what I'm saying? like that that should have been more difficult. Like I remember I remember the the the affirmative action case at Harvard where all the you know uh East Asian folks were saying, "Oh, they're taking our scholarships. They're taking our scholarships." And I'm like, "You really think these old legacy white professors who got kids that are trying to get into Harvard? You think the scholarship is going to the black kid?"
Like if there's missing scholarships, it's going to these legacy people whose kids got four 3.5 GPA shouldn't be nowhere near touching a Harvard.
>> Yeah.
>> But they daddy got money and play golf with the with the president. Like that's >> And it's going to go to the Asians that kiss white people ass all day >> like the [ __ ] who stood up and and they still haven't been getting accepted. N >> and black people still have. So >> Exactly.
>> Yeah. Because white people will use you and they don't realize that yet. Yeah.
>> And and and we can see it at the polls.
>> Yeah.
>> So when we say x amount of if we say 60% of Hispanic men voted for Trump and 50% of Hispanic women voted for Trump, when you go your racist tirade, that's like, okay, ball game. Like I already knew this. I go look at the numbers.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but and even to your point, we we this is American. Yes. But this is a global issue, too.
>> Oh, for sure.
>> In Hispanic cultures, this anti-blackness run rampant in Asian cultures. Yes. Like, >> you know, there's a thing of, >> you know, that that's a thing in Asia.
>> Yeah.
>> That's a cast system in Asia.
>> Yeah.
>> Is how dark you are. It's like you >> go back something with like the farm like if you worked in the farms then you would get you get tan.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> And that showed that you worked outside with your hands, which was obviously less valued than you being indoors and you'd get really pale, which meant wealth, >> you know. And and and in in Japan, there's places in Japan and um if I'm not mistaken, Korea, I don't want to I don't know the nose, but I know that like there'll be times they go out in the sun and the hotter seasons covered up >> so they don't get a tan.
>> Yeah.
>> It's crazy.
>> Wow. I remember being a kid like being in the sun, you know, and all the other kids in the neighborhood like, "Oh, damn. You about to get a black like you." And we did it to ourselves. You know what I'm saying? Like I I never hid from the sun. But I remember other people being like, "You trying to be out in the sun? You trying to get darker?"
Like, and obviously, you know, it was funny back then. And then you get older, you're like, "Damn, there was antilackness at seven, eight, n years old." Like >> telling kids that any darker is bad.
Like that [ __ ] is wild, bro.
>> And and but so this is what I mean about the projected anti-blackness, but not a culture of it.
>> We're not We're not a culture of anti-blackness. It's just projected onto us and people pick up from those things.
I mean, we not that far removed from slavery. Yeah.
>> And we not we damn sure ain't that far removed from Jim Crow.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I mean, if your gr like my granny dealt with Jim Crow, so like I know that, >> you know, these the antilack rhetoric is just something that is >> it's like front of mind.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and in some points it could be seen as a thing that they're doing to protect their children and other points it's a thing that's like killing your child's self-esteem. Mhm.
>> So, it's like, how do you contend with protecting them by killing their self-esteem?
>> That is I I really wonder what this next generation cuz, you know, I'm a millennial. Millennials, we had we had boomer parents and then I think like Gen X had Gen Z.
>> I'm curious as to what this next generation is going to be like cuz our the boomers 100% they thought I'm not saying they were right to do this, 100% they thought they were protecting us.
Like I wasn't I I love braiding my hair now. I wasn't allowed to do that when I was a kid cuz they were like, "Oh, you walking around here looking like they might mistake you for one of these little hood [ __ ] X, Y, and Z." Like, they're thinking from safety. They're saying very arguably bigoted things, but you know, my name is Joshua. I have a Hebrew name, easy to pronounce. My parents thinking about me getting a job before I'm even, you know, before I can even speak. They think about we want him to be able to be employable, you know, stuff like that. Like, I wasn't allowed to wear my do-rag outside the house. And I think our generation is thinking differently about protective hairstyles, like all these other things. And I wonder if we'll we will raise our kids to kind of buck the norm. Or will we once you have that kid, you start thinking like, man, [ __ ] all that. I'mma I'm going to try to protect you by all means.
>> I don't think we have the same protection mindset because we didn't I think the thing is is like we didn't see the danger of those things that they did. M.
>> So even though we understand they was trying to protect us, >> the information that we have now, like we would rather be pro black than protect.
>> I would. Yeah.
>> But you think the rest of our >> I think so for sure. You got to also understand like this generation of talking heads are millennials, bro.
Millennials in I'm I'm 35.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? The way I talk, [ __ ] my kids hear this.
>> Yeah. Yeah. My kids would be, you know, my my son asked me like, "Yo, what? Like, what what's up with white people and what like what make them racist?" And I was like, and I tell him like >> I was like, "This is a a thing that they cling to for power, >> but anybody that hates somebody that much with no reason is just jealous."
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And I was like, but historically, >> they use this type this thing as a tool of fear >> to keep themselves in power, but they also can't deny the greatness. So they find a way to cherrypick the greatness and use it and then demean the rest of them. And we have these conversations. I took them to the Civil Rights Museum in Birmingham and like the look on their faces was like, "Bro, like let's just leave.
>> This is depressing. This doesn't make sense."
>> But I just want them I want them to understand and I want them to be proud of who they are. Um, and I don't sugarcoat the reality of the world. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah.
I don't buy I don't buy that modern-day racism from white people actually comes from a of a belief that there's any inferiority between us.
>> They don't think they're superior. I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
>> You can't think you're superior. Look at LeBron James, son. You can't >> No. And >> and Barack Obama like for real if if we want to politics.
>> But even even look at how they move.
Like if I let's say I thought I was I really thought I was smarter than you and it was inherent.
Why would I take resources away from you?
You know what I'm saying? You take resources away from people that you fear.
>> Yes.
>> You fear how fast their progression could be with resource. You feel me?
>> Separate leagues like the ABA because you're you are actually quite aware of all the lies you've told them about themselves.
You know them very well. You know, you told them that they had cerebral uh deficiencies and you knew that wasn't true.
>> Yeah.
>> And you just don't want them to know that that's not true.
>> What is that? Phronology or some [ __ ] like that. What's it called? The science where they was like like comparing skulls and [ __ ] like that. Yeah.
>> I think it's called phology.
>> Eugen was it the eugenics?
>> Eugenics. But it's like that that specific.
>> Yeah. It's just like genetically we're superior and more intellig.
>> But here's the thing. And then this is the thing. A capitalist and a racist in the room.
>> It gets rough. What do you mean?
>> Because the racist says there needs to be a Negro League.
>> The capitalist says the Negro League is more exciting outperforming the MLB >> and we have to integrate some of these [ __ ] over here if y'all want this to even be a thing.
>> Yeah.
>> And so we'll pay them less, you know, then we can like this is where the capitalist and the racist has to come to a compromise about, okay, well, white like we could let them in our league, but white men have to have preferred positioning or they can't come in front of the stadium. you know, all this stupid [ __ ] they was doing. Like Bill Russell probably one of the greatest basketball players of all time, but couldn't sleep like sleep in the same hotels as the rest of them or had to go through the back door or was still dealing with racism even though like the city is celebrating the fact that he's winning them championships.
>> You know, it doesn't make sense. It's it's stupid.
>> American capitalism is has always been racial capitalism, though. I don't think that they're different at all. Like, I think there's no form of American capitalism >> that is not racial capitalism. It's all races.
>> But when I say that, I'm saying from the perspective of the person who cares more about race than they do about money.
>> You see what I'm saying? And it's like then the person with real money comes in like, "Look, bro, >> [ __ ] you and what you talking about.
>> We're losing x amount of dollars."
>> You know, the the idea is like if it was if it was racism first, there is never no integration.
>> I see what you're saying.
>> You see what I'm saying? Uh, if anything, there's a we're going to destroy >> the Negro League, but their way of destroying the things we created was to integrate them.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
And and and to make as much as they can off of it, even even if it meant putting a black person in a position of prominence.
>> Yes.
>> As long as they're benefiting from that prominence, >> then they would they Yeah. They're two sides of the same coin.
>> It is >> like what the the one side has has hate, the other side just seeks to extract they're both violent. Yeah, both have been extremely exploitive practices, right? Like >> the I get I'm I'm always disheartened >> when I see clips of like James Brown performing because he's an amazing performer >> and the first thing they want to do is talk about drugs, but they like you don't know who you talking about. This man was like staunchly anti-drug most of his career >> and I think it was like um Booy Collins had slipped him some LSD >> and ever since he got that first high.
He just was chasing it ever since. But he was like no drinking, no drugs. You would get docked if you did that. They don't know this man was sober as [ __ ] Like for the majority of his career, all these great things he was doing, he was doing that [ __ ] sober. Mhm.
>> And it's like because the towards the end of his career he was on drugs, then we going to put everything that he ever did and donate it to drug you.
>> Yeah.
>> It's just not fair.
>> Yeah.
>> But he's also black and it's just easier to do it like that.
>> It fit into it. It definitely fit into I think there was a fear. James Brown, people like James Brown, I mean, even Ella had this like effect. Um, uh, Lil Richard had this effect where they were so intoxicating to white people. White people and black people love them too.
Don't like I'm not saying that they were selling out, but like white people really liked Lil Richard like a lot a lot >> to the point where I think that they began to fear whether or not they still had controls over the hearts and the minds of the young white kids that were coming up.
That's why you don't hear people talk about how black people created, you know, rock and roll that much or, you know, country music that much because as these artists got really, really big to the point where like [ __ ] are really white people's ready to run through a wall for them big, they're like, "Oo, let's keep him down. Let's make sure they don't have too much influence. Let's slip James Brown a little little something something. Let's call him a drug addict. Let's, you know what I mean? Let's keep the control over >> because they control the media." So, they control the narrative and they'll control your perception. And I I think another thing is this.
Always just think about this. Like if if white people created rock and roll, there wouldn't black people wouldn't excel at it.
>> Like the way that they do, right? Like like like I always am of the assumption that like the person who creates something is always going to be the best at it.
>> Now, I could be wrong as a white person like like James Nay Smith created basketball, but that ain't the same basketball he created. Like [ __ ] ain't playing that ball. But I'm just saying like it would be evident if y'all created like how good like you know what I mean instead of it would have to be a pushed thing like Elvis Presley is like literally just stealing from black artists and like gospel singers like you know what I mean? Yeah.
>> But um even to your point before, I think one of the most unique parts about like the American experience is seeing how like how dominant black people can be in all of these different arenas and how the power structure has to contend with that.
>> So keeping the hearts and minds of white people means like >> I can't like I have to almost it gets to a point where I have to prop up these entertainers cuz I can't let you find out about a James Baldwin. Mhm.
>> You know what I mean?
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. I'm thinking about that because and I'm still I feel like I'm still kind of stuck on your first one where you said if white people created it then black people wouldn't excel at it. I'm trying to think what are things that black people excel at that white people create.
>> And I couldn't think of that many things.
>> I was like I can't think of too many things white people didn't create >> this is my point. This is my point. I like what they make other than uh manifestity and you know >> we not the best colonizers we don't do that well.
>> Yeah that is. Wow. I also >> black people also are very hesitant to participate in capitalism over group economics. You have to cherrypick black people in capitalism.
>> I don't know if that's true. I think black people want to be capitalists >> now.
>> Yeah. Now, >> no, but I'm saying like historically always been >> very groups group economicsoriented very like >> socialist communist type people like >> you know what I mean the the town has to have the farmer and the businessman >> and like all of our towns are even if we grew up in a capitalist society >> all of our towns are based on everybody bringing what they do well to the table and it being accessible to everybody.
And you know, we use this word capitalism all the time, but we honestly kind of use it improperly because what we're talking about oftentimes is not capitalist. Capitalism, at least as it's theorized, encourages competition. Yeah.
>> Between different entities, between the private and the public sector, between uh large corporations.
What we're usually what we're actually talking about now when we say capitalism, the thing that we hate is corporatism. Yeah.
>> It's when large corporations can lobby governments, can consolidate, and actually it's non it's quite non-competitive.
>> Yeah. It's not there. It's not capitalism. It's really it's like oligarchy. Like Yeah. They really are like like um >> I was just cuz cuz the there's whatever it was that I was reading it came out. I don't like to say article because I could it could have been a video. But the thing is >> I do that all the time.
>> I was reading this book.
this Tik Tok >> is it? But it was at at the peak of at the peak of co they talked about how like Amazon, Meta and one other company was operating the country in like a techno oligarchy.
>> They had so much power and control and so much lobbying power and that's the thing that we hate.
>> Yeah.
>> It's not capitalism per se >> that in theory is not capital. Now, some people will make the argument that that corporatism is just latestage capitalism, right? That that capitalism will always lead us to a place where large corporations will have outsiz influence over politics and over government, which I'm not going to agree or disagree with that like you have your ministry on that. But yeah, we're past capital at this point. This is we are living a corporatist oligarchy for sure.
I mean, when a thousand people own 60% of the country's wealth.
>> Yeah.
>> That's a You know what I mean? Like we're not this is not even in >> I think the thing with c we look at we it's very easier it's very easy for us to call black capitalist capitalist because they're singular.
>> Yeah.
>> They not representing of a we don't think about Jay-Z >> and we don't think about the corporation of Rock Nation or any of those other things. Now we will understand his connection to him but when we see Jay-Z the multi-billionaire we think capitalist. That's >> him. What do you think about that? Like what do you think about the whole like like Jay-Z's whole thing is like I'm I'm trying to capitalist us out of our chains and follow my lead make your business make money.
>> Uh I I I just think that it's you know you can't say you didn't exploit anybody. I just think that that's not not fair. Like we know we've >> I mean you got what your start of your career was about selling crack.
>> Yeah.
um the play that you made at Barlay Center like mis displaced a lot of black people in >> um >> somebody had to lose for you to win.
>> Um there is that aspect of it. Um I don't and I also just think that >> we can't base the the averages off the anomalies. Like he's an anomaly.
>> You know what I mean? Like how many people didn't make it out the crack game? Yeah.
>> Didn't go on like bro you made it out the crack game. and you went on to be a a multi-platinum, multi- Grammy award-winning, multi- like the the hottest rapper of all time. You're a [ __ ] anomaly, [ __ ] Nobody's that's not the average person's experience anywhere ever, [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> You you overcome so many obstacles in your life. So, it's like >> it it it already doesn't seem feasible to the average person. Like, [ __ ] you overcame like crazy odds.
>> Yeah. So, we can't base the black community off of your accomplishments when like that's not average.
>> Yeah.
>> What is it? What is the what is the deal for the average person? Yeah.
>> And that's why I'm a big supporter of people getting like young people getting into trades. This is how we raise the average capital.
>> Yeah.
>> Is by people getting into skilled fields and and especially for those who don't want to go in academic route, which seems to be more and more popular these days. Yeah.
>> People want to go straight into getting the money, but it's like >> you want to go straight to getting the money, but you go work at Amazon.
>> Yeah.
>> And like, [ __ ] you could go to IBW or you could go get a a CDL or you could go to welding school and be working the same hours and making a substantial amount more money. Like, you know, >> I'm a little afraid of of the of the trade route for black people. Not that I'm saying that we shouldn't that they shouldn't do it, but I am afraid of it because of how we're innovating our way out of the need for some of these things, some of these routes. I mean, like you talk about CDLs, these trucks about to start driving themselves.
>> Well, I mean, but then we also have Hback technicians and welders and things like that. I do think I mean co is because what it's what I did but >> I do see like any I I think that there's going to be certain points of automation that automation can't really take over.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't want to you know you're not going to automate plumbing.
>> You're not going to automate welding, right?
>> And and and you may automate deep sea welding.
>> Yeah.
>> But the average, you know what I mean?
You know.
>> No, I know what you like. And my argument is not that there these opportunities won't be there won't be any of them.
>> Right. Right. Right. Um I just you know we we are moving like our economy has moved out from one that values you know we go from um an aquarian society to a textile society turn of the century we go into industrial revolution and then the information age technology as we're integrating AI into the economy I don't know what that will look like as far as some of these like we've already been losing manufacturing jobs a lot of these jobs like I don't know what that will look like I think Five years ago, naively, I was like, "Oh, t like these young black kids need to start coding.
Like, they need to, you know, they need to learn how to make apps and shit." And now I'm like, "Oh, wait. That's not even we're automating that [ __ ] away."
>> AI is taking the code. We told everybody 10 years ago, we told everybody to become a coder. We don't need coders anymore.
>> So, like, I'm a I'm like scared as for where where's the next stage for, you know, working-class black people.
>> Have you thought about it? Where do you see it being? I mean if you think about AI automation and everything um just from your perspective what do you think would be like a s a sustainable way going forward even if it is just let's just say next 10 years honestly I you know I just asked Governor Pritsker about this we had a little interview I think the answer is universal basic income I think Americans need to start getting more comfortable with the idea that we're just going to straight up redistribute some of this wealth and you won't necessarily have worked for it, but it'll be okay because this is how we keep the health and the wellness of society. And I think the working class some of the most staunch opponents to, you know, universal basic income actually be the very working-class people that would benefit from it.
Surprisingly enough, >> I think the first step is we got to get more comfortable with that as an idea.
And then I think secondly, like I think it'll it will to to your point, it'll probably be some type of hands-on job, but it won't be manufacturing.
Like it will be >> probably closer to the things you were saying like like a plumbing, but it won't it won't be making we're we're moving away from making stuff.
>> Yeah. I don't think we'll be making products because I think that even China is the the epicenter of manufacturing and they're automating the [ __ ] out of jobs.
>> Yeah. Um, how do you think with techno techno oligarchy being prominent as it is and then there's this new idea of technofudalism which is basically everybody is uh, for lack of a better term a slave to the tech companies. M >> um >> what is your idea about like universal bank income and how can it be beneficial to people and not just automatically put them in a cash system?
>> Tough one, huh? That is a tough one because in a way it does like I don't think that there's a a you know a right answer to it. In a way, it it absolutely would put us into some form if not the type of cast systems that we think about traditionally, but some form of of a cast system. I you know, this is this is the goal of or this is the job of the federal government is to buffer them the American people to go from one stage of economic development to another seamlessly. And I think the very first step is us trying to figure out what an off-ramp of UBI looks like before we even started, >> right? So, how do we get people through this new rupture that's going to come from the integration of AI safely without going into a great depression?
Um, how do we have conversations with local and state governments about what this money will be able to do, where it'll be able to do it, so we can kind of deconstruct some of what the cast system uh psyche kind of brings. Um, but also very quickly getting us to what does the future of American work look like? And I don't I don't think I know that answer.
I'm gonna be real with you. I don't I don't know what that looks like.
>> I think it will be some form of a cast system. Like >> I think it's I think it's naturally a cast system. The thing that you're saying that makes me think is that like what is the where where is the what is the corporate sacrifice?
So for me, the corporate sacrifice has to be um like companies like Black Rockck are going to have to sacrifice their stronghold on like controlling rent >> and we can't just have affordable rent in slums.
>> Like there has to be a an efficient >> middle class that people can buy and rent homes in with universal basic income that's not slummed the [ __ ] out.
Yeah. Um, and we're gonna have to do away with this idea of like landlords as it like owning owning a home and rent it renting it out can't be a flip anymore.
>> Yeah.
>> Because if we're not going to have manufacturing jobs for people, then we can't lord over where they live.
>> It it just is what it is. It's like y'all already own the majority of the single family homes. Y'all have to make them affordable.
>> It's disgusting. And like I I can't believe a generation of people who literally lived through the ramification of the first housing crisis in 2008 and some people who were around for some of the o economic downturns that preceded it can even allow a company like Black Rockck to buy up all the single multif family houses. And the fact that it's even a conversation that we're having after creating things like you know Elizabeth Warren created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau or not Elizabeth I won't to put that on her but we created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau for us to like proactively address these large corporations doing things that enrich them and make life terrible for everybody else. And it seems like we have to go through it all over again. We had to go through the Robert Baron's era of the 1920s and then the Great Depression in the 30s just to be like, "Yeah, maybe we shouldn't let uh [ __ ] the Carnegies and the in the Vanderbilts own all the railro." You know what I mean? Like, why do we have to do this every [ __ ] But yeah, I mean, I think we're going to have to rhythm, too. I mean, we're in the 20s now.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> [ __ ] ain't roaring like it's supposed to, but >> No, no, we skipped the roar. We were right there.
>> I ain't hearing the roar at all. But um I'm I'm interested um in your your ideas about these things because it's like from the political analyst perspective, these are conversations that I'm sure you're privy to all the time. Um outside of like whatever hot button issues are like about war and things like that. I think for the most part is like what is going to affect the everyday Americans lives because like whether you're pro-war or anti-war, if the government decides to go to war, they're going to war.
>> Yeah. Clearly.
>> Yeah. Clearly.
>> Clearly. Yeah.
>> Whether they have whether they have the approval from Congress or not, >> they clearly you don't need that [ __ ] >> And here's another thing that is very prevalent. Um if Israel decides to commit war crimes, they will not be held accountable. So it's like how does the average person ever even contend themselves worrying about [ __ ] like this where I know that you want to worry about it but it's like there are no repercussions for their actions.
>> Yeah.
>> So then the next thing has to go to okay me, my life, my family, my community and my local government. How is life going to look for me if we letting these [ __ ] just run rampant with the war and war crimes? What are the conversations around how do we protect the everyday American citizen?
>> Yeah, I mean I think there's two conversations that are h have happening because the protection from the American uh the American citizen from the perspective of our geopolitical affairs is very apparent when we see ourselves spending a billion dollars a day on a war and gas prices going up 47%. Like that is im an immediate impact on the everyday person. So I think how do we protect the everyday person in the geopolitical convers in in the geopolitical affairs is happening and then everything else I think is that I've seen is happening at the city the local and the state level right like a good example is you know Mayor Brandon Johnson in Chicago right like his approach has been like [ __ ] Trump I got to protect Chicago and however I can right so if he's going to take $800 million away from our community violence intervention programs. I'mma have to find it somewhere else. We not going to get it from the federal government. We got to get from somewhere else because it's reducing the crime rate. You know what I mean? And basically the answer is a lot of these cities and states are getting very self-protective and just making plans that don't include the federal government, you know, because you're not going to get any help from them. Um, but yeah, I mean, I think it's going to look a lot like state level and city level redistribution of wealth when it can happen back into the communities.
I've seen this thing u recently.
I forgot what the what the whole I forgot what set it off, but I know it was about mom Donnie saying, "Okay, we're going to tax these corporations.
We're we're going to tax the rich."
That's how he kind of introd.
And then you get the state or the country or whatever of Panama saying like, "Hey, we have no X Y andZ tax here."
>> And they're trying to make it like >> they're basically appealing to these corporations that exist in New York or the rich that exist in New York. Like, hey, come here. Bring your business here or like >> consign your business here. But it's also like I don't know what that looks like. I don't know what the average person in Panama and how they living is.
>> I don't know. But I can also also guarantee you it ain't how average New Yorker lives.
>> Yeah.
>> And those businesses know they can't just pull out of New York.
>> You know, if you're bringing billions of dollar revenue to this city, it's not >> Yeah.
>> You don't want and take it to Panama, [ __ ] And then what?
>> And then what? Literally, >> it's the the taxes conversation really, man. It's it gets so inflamed because it's like, >> don't nobody want to pay taxes, bro. But we all you want the roads to be fixed and you want the bridges to be working and you know you want the the you want you want the FAA to be funded and you want you don't want your plane to fly into another person's another plane and and I hate that we have government has been operating so poorly to the point where people are willing to just opt out of any place that's talking about taxing them because they don't to see where that tax money is actually enriching their lives. And you know what's usually happening honestly, bro, in these red states that are acting like Panama that are saying, "Oh, well, we don't got taxes here in in uh uh Louisiana or we don't got income taxes here in um you know, Kansas or whatever." What's usually happening is they're just taking a lot of money from the federal government from California and Illinois and New York that are paying more in taxes than they get. So they're still fixing their roads and bridges with tax money. It's just not their state's tax money. Like they become a daddy's credit card little girl. You know what I'm saying? It's like >> they become a welfare queens.
>> They're the welfare queens. The red states are the welfare queens. You know what I'm saying? So it's like everything is getting fixed with tax money. We just have to be better about redistributing that uh those >> Is it is it I don't see the red light no more. That's what I'm on on my cam.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. Um, I I I think that's funny because you say like, "Oh, Louisiana, we don't pay taxes or Kansas, we don't pay taxes." Guess what? Nobody wants to live there either, >> right?
>> Like [ __ ] want to visit New Orleans.
>> Yeah.
>> Nobody's visiting New Orleans and like, "Oh, I should move here."
>> Well, I just moved to New Orleans.
>> You did?
>> Yeah, I did.
>> Well, yeah.
>> So, I got I can't let you get all that out. But no, no, no. Like, you you make a point. Like, it's tough. Like, >> I'm telling you, I went to Charlotte. I was like, I kind of want to move here.
>> Oh, Charlotte. Charlotte's nice.
>> I haven't.
>> It's also home for me, too, though. So, >> is that where you're from?
>> I was born in Charlotte. Well, I was born in Concord, which is like right outside of Charlotte. And I grew up in Wington, North Carolina until I was 13.
>> So, it's like >> I feel like you have a very strong Atlanta accent.
>> I mean, I've been here since I was 13.
My mama from here, too.
>> Okay.
>> So, it's like I've been here every >> You don't sound like a Charlotte [ __ ] >> I've been I've been here every summer since I was damn near born.
>> That makes sense.
>> So, if if not here, Fagville, North Carolina. But I think the thing is is that >> I don't have a strong Atlanta accent. If you talk to one of these [ __ ] up the street, >> I feel like you do. Maybe I don't know enough Alat.
>> You know what's funny, bro? You >> put you around some when you you be cold switching like we all be cold switching your [ __ ] You got range with your co.
God damn. One time you uploaded a video, I think you was drunk low key and you was I was like, "Yo, this [ __ ] got he got range with this code switching. This is a whole different T."
>> I can turn that [ __ ] on.
>> You really care, bro. Bro, that's like black people's superpower. Like, >> I mean, it's bilingual >> for real though. Like, we real are >> cuz we have a language within a language >> for sure. What's um what's uh Charlotte slang?
>> I don't know, [ __ ] I'm not from there.
I just was born.
I was born in Concord and then we moved immediately to Wilmington. So I haven't been in Charlotte. I went like when we was kids maybe to a Hornets game or something like that but it wasn't enough to be around.
>> But I just remember when we went >> it was small. It was small and communal the way that like I wish Atlanta was at times. Yeah.
>> But Atlanta has become very corporate.
So when they say like, "Oh, the old Atlanta, the old Atlanta, what they talking about is when it was more communal and less corporate. Everything is so [ __ ] corporate." Now, >> even like this last minute, you know, you get an opportunity. It's weird that cities don't operate like logically.
>> Yeah.
>> Um to say, "Okay, we want to bring the World Cup here." First of all, the racism in Georgia is why y'all refuse to expand public transportation. M >> so we don't have a great public transportation system unless >> it's basically four n like riding public transportation in Atlanta is like just saying I ain't got no money >> whereas in New York it's just an efficient way to get around in Chicago it's just an efficient way to get around in San Francisco it's an efficient way to get around Georgia it's like [ __ ] >> wait so y'all don't really got public transportation and y'all don't got sidewalks because I was I was knocking doors for Everton Blair shout out to Everton Blair he's running for the 13th uh here in Georgia. Go vote for him. I think voting starts on Monday. Um I was just knocking doors. [ __ ] y'all ain't got no sidewalks, bro. I'm walking in the middle of the street.
>> You understand what I'm saying though?
>> How you get around if you >> Okay, but how you going to tell the World Cup to come here?
>> No, that's wild. You can't >> And then do you see all this construction that's going? It's just last minute. It's like [ __ ] just throwing [ __ ] together. But it's like, "Hey, when that [ __ ] leave, we got to stay here, bro."
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? Like then y'all going to do the Super Bowl 2027.
>> Didn't y'all have like the Olympics at one point too?
>> The 96 Olympics is what started the downturn of Atlanta. Every any [ __ ] that's from Atlanta, if you ask them when did Atlanta start changing, it's 96 Olympics because they build up all this infrastructure and they forget that [ __ ] are going to leave.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then there's going to be people that have to stay here when they gone.
>> Sound like you ready to move Chicago then?
>> I love Chicago. Let me tell you why I'm not moving Chicago.
September through March.
>> Bro, people be overdoing. It's not as bad.
>> Nobody's overdoing anything. It's cold as [ __ ] >> Our winter is like y'all summer. You just You just can't really be outside that much, >> [ __ ] We outside in the summer >> in August.
>> Real rap. We outside, [ __ ] What? We somewhere where it's [ __ ] >> It be It be Y'all got the sweaty heat, y'all. [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's humid. It It hold outside in that be out there.
>> Y'all probably be musty.
I Well, I'll say >> tonight.
>> I I'll say this.
>> I might go to the day party where the sun is out, >> but it's shady and it's a lot of fans and it's that I'm not going I'm not going to the park unless it's like a very good tree to yard ratio out there.
More tree to yard ratio >> cuz I need to be in the shade, bro.
>> But that's a crazy thing about y'all heat though is that you get sweaty when the sun is not even out here. Like we used to. How is that possible?
>> We're used to it.
>> Listen, we don't got that in Chicago.
I'm going to tell you what we do got. We got >> Y'all got the West Loop and that's a >> West Loop. You was in West Loop.
>> Yeah, [ __ ] >> [ __ ] was in West Loop. [ __ ] didn't even hit me up, >> bro. First of all, >> that's crazy.
>> It was Palooa time. We went to see how they do me, bro. [ __ ] be in West Loop.
Don't even hit Josh.
>> Wasn't we wasn't We wasn't where we at now, man.
>> Westloop. Who told you about Westloop?
>> I know some people out there, man. You know, >> we got Weston. pulled up on them little [ __ ] from the um the gym.
>> I did see you out there with them. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're in South I believe or somewhere. They all live together.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That I I was downtown.
We had met up, got lunch. Then me and my manager went to the West Loop.
>> Bro, >> that's a beautiful [ __ ] city, man.
>> I'm trying to listen. Tell your people about Actually, though, >> I I I actually don't I haven't told nobody because like I we got to we got to start gatekeeping a little bit. I'm not >> You have to, bro. It's one of the most beautiful cities in the country. It is probably top three most beautiful cities.
>> Nah, chill out. It's not. And it's dangerous. And we got bees.
It's mad bees every when you touch down a bee gonna sting you. Stay out of Chicago, bro. Don't don't don't do it.
>> [ __ ] you live in New Orleans.
>> I just moved. Yeah, I just I just moved to today.
>> When you when I talked to you, you was like, "Oh, yeah. I'm trying to decide whether I'm going to stay in New York or move to Chicago." You like, "I live in New Orleans." Well, I I have a I have a place in New Orleans, but I'mma do the summer in New York because I'm gonna do more media and stuff, but then Yeah, I'm coming back to New Orleans, man. You know, I got some property.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
>> Real [ __ ] man.
Real [ __ ] man.
>> I do be dodging Chicago with her a little bit. I don't know.
>> Just be honest.
>> But New Orleans is also You got to You got to tapped in with New Orleans. It's beautiful.
>> I bet. You know what I mean? I got some people out there. First of all, New Orleans has very rich culture. Um, I love it when I whenever I go down there, it's like like familial vibes. You know what I mean? Like they treat you like family.
>> Family.
>> I think the thing is is like I hate when black people talk about black people like they're not black.
>> Like, oh, you go down there, it's dangerous. Like, [ __ ] you know how black people get down. If you over there [ __ ] with somebody, it can get dangerous. That's That's anywhere.
>> Yeah.
>> Sometimes with I'm like, y'all, you never been to big city before. Like, it's it's places where [ __ ] get active.
places where [ __ ] don't get active like that. Like you never Yeah. You never >> And [ __ ] will say that >> and [ __ ] will say that about other countries too. And that's what blow me.
They'll be like, "Oh, I can't go there because that place is dangerous." And I'm like, "You live in Detroit, >> [ __ ] [ __ ] first of all, first of all, let's talk about this. [ __ ] live there."
>> Yeah.
>> So anywhere where people live, you can go.
>> Yeah. Facts.
>> Yeah. Cuz it's not But I think this is [ __ ] got to stop watching too much TV, too much media, and because like the thing is the truth of America is this.
You can get smoked in Omaha Nebraska.
You could get smoked in Omaha, Nebraska.
It happened when I went to college in South Dakota.
>> Somebody got smacked in South Dakota.
Like >> it's it's everywhere.
>> America is guns all >> You have more guns than people in this country. Like Yeah. No, >> you go down anywhere.
>> Yeah.
>> What made you go to South Dakota for school?
>> Uh I play basketball.
>> Ah.
>> That division one scholarship.
>> What school?
>> Uh University of South Dakota.
>> Uh what's like the mascot for them? I have never heard of.
>> Y.
>> Oh [ __ ] point guard.
>> I played point. Yeah. Well, not there. I played they had me at the three. Um but prior to that, I played I played the point. But >> yeah, I I um I sat out my whole junior year. I tore I tore a bunch of uh ligaments in my foot. And then my senior year, I struggled. But we were good. We was We was good.
>> That's decent.
>> Yeah. We played UCLA. We played Duke. We played >> played a bunch of national television games.
>> That's hard, [ __ ] So, how you got from B how you got from ballin to political analyst?
>> You know, I think it was because when I got hurt, I had to just sit out and watch. And we were having a good year, bro. We were like, I think at one point we were like 22 and four. Um, and I was just like, "Wow, I'm watching my division one career just pass me by."
And that was the first time I thought I was like, "What what's next?" Like, "What am I going to do next?" and I was in a polyai class and I really I really liked it. Um, so I just kind of started steering into it and actually I had a moment with my with my uh my dad and my grandma. My grandma lives in Englewood.
We were over there. We were just like uh you know cutting her grass and stuff and uh it was a billboard. Somebody was running for office but they weren't black. I don't remember what they were but they weren't black. And my dad was just like, you know, I feel like we have so many problems because the people that look like us don't represent us or don't ever want to represent us. And so then I saw I was like, all right, maybe I might go into politics. So I don't want to run for office now, but back then I wanted to.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But you are you are a political consultant as well?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> What is that? What's a day in the life of a political consultant? What does Josh dos's day look like?
>> Yeah. So So I do I conduct research, qualitative and quantitative research.
So that's just like surveys, focus groups. A lot of times when people are talking about there's a race and who's going to win, who's up in the polls, down in the polls, that's all statistics and that's that's what we do at Hit Strategies. I work at the the biggest blackowned political consulting firm in the country.
>> Shout out >> Hit Strategies. Shout out to Terence Woodbury and Roshi Netatti. Um and so usually, you know, we'll have say you running for office and you want to run in the, you know, the 13th district, but you don't know the demographics of that district. Is it majority men? Is it majority women? Are they mostly black?
Are they young? Are they old? You need to have demographic data on your district. Then you need to know what are the issues that they care about. You could knock doors and talk to a couple people, but you wouldn't have a statistically representative understanding of, oh, this group actually cares more about school issues as opposed to, I don't know, healthcare, right? So, we'll conduct that research for them and hand it to them so that they can communicate with their constituents better. M. So, anytime somebody is at Congress and they asking them questions about numbers specifically, they got them answers.
>> They be having them answers.
>> Them [ __ ] be asking, "No, I don't know.
>> I don't got them answers right now.
>> They be having them answers.
>> I know they do." Yeah.
>> How Okay. Um, we talked about this outside. I'mma segue into this, but for one, as somebody who is so informed politically um and conducts so much research and know what the numbers are and also has to sit and watch people sit up there and play dumb um for whatever their agenda is. How infuriating is that when like you know that we could be doing better if we just take the approach of a more informed and like inclusive society.
You know, maybe I should be more infuriated by it than I am. Maybe that shows how disillusioned I'm getting with politics. I think I've been watching it my whole career.
It doesn't make me mad anymore.
It I feel like that the my response to it is not anger. It is how can I how can I beat it? How can I be more strategic than it? How can we ask questions that expose the fact that you actually do know the answer? You're just not giving us the answer. Right? And there's ways you can structure your messaging and ask questions to expose somebody.
>> And I think my approach has been like, okay, he bullshitting. How can we expose that? You know, >> yeah. I um so when we was outside we was talking about I I was discussing like I don't when I started and stopped almost immediately debating people is when I realized like this isn't about the truth.
>> Yeah.
>> It's just like a pissing contest for the most part.
>> So bad.
>> And I love seeing people that can debate well like um >> um JJ from the jam. I mean he smoked [ __ ] and things. You you you you done did it on some of the biggest media platforms. Just smoke [ __ ] have stuck on stupid.
>> Yeah, >> I know that has to be gratifying as an intellectual, but it also has to be like one of those things. It's like what's the point of this?
>> I don't like it. I don't like it. And if I if I didn't have to debate, I wouldn't. We're not debating anymore.
Actually, debates debates like allow people to get their points out, allows people to respond to certain points.
we're doing. This is a performance. It's a lot of times it's who can be louder.
Sometimes it's who can have the best straw man arguments. I mean, these debates that we're talking about are rife with ad homonyms and straw man fallacies and and all other type of logical fallacies. It's it's a big game.
But I think one of the things I do know is that some of the people that we need to reach, they sometimes do respond to thinking like, "Oh, wow. He smoked him in that debate. Maybe he know what." And then now hopefully you're going to listen to me talk about other things when I'm not debating. Yes.
>> Cuz I don't I don't like it, bro. When When did you When did you debate? Like >> I I never So like early in TikTok it was like that was one of those thing. I'm not like a debater, my [ __ ] Like I'm just saying >> a lot of people would want to talk to me about like my opinions and my and my thoughts. And then it would be like maybe five 10 minutes into like whatever live it was. And this only happened like two or three times. This was like early on. this before I was like anybody on TikTok, but I'd be like, "Oh, this [ __ ] doesn't care about what I have to say."
>> No.
>> And it's like and and they would say something. I would point to like what the truth is, what the fact is, and like where you can find these answers. They be like, >> "Oh, well that that could be fake news."
Like, "Oh, all right, [ __ ] We I'm cool. I'm good on this." And that's when I realized like >> this is not about me proving this to anybody. This is about me being informed and aware and presenting in a way where it's digestible to people. That's it.
That's the only thing I care about cuz like that is literally how I came up. And it's like I also stopped responding to people that just like obtusely disagree. Like they don't have really any articulable disagreement. They just don't like what I'm saying.
>> Right. Right. One of the things I like about your like your delivery and your impact on you know this this developing industry that we have online is like you have a you have like a stream of consciousness approach where when you're flowing you it's one thing and then another thing and then another thing and then I see how your thoughts are building on each other and I've never seen you debate or even try to debate or have a discussion but I feel like I would get pissed to see something break that cuz wherever you whenever you land somewhere I'm like damn that bro I'm going tell you you said something bro I think about this I think about this once a week you said and you was at the end of a long rant you said why are we so concerned when you was talking about three-fifths how white people called us three-fifths why why were we so concerned about whether or not they thought we were two-fifths or three-fifths of a human when they don't even behave in a humane way. I was like, this [ __ ] ate that, bro. I was like, BRO, I WAS THE WHOLE DAY. I WAS LIKE, and you know, bro, I'm like, I got to give you a flowers. Like you say some [ __ ] that be so like that is such a complex thought that you made so simple like they don't even act humanely. Why would they be the judge of huge who's h bro I've never thought about it that way.
>> That was fire. You do [ __ ] like that all the time. So, I'm saying that to say like, yeah, I don't think like [ __ ] debating. I like the way that your your [ __ ] come out.
>> No, but but I I know it's not for me because I never like arguing with people and in classroom settings like um early on in high school when I like I moved here in ninth grade.
So, I had to start a whole new school with in ninth grade. [ __ ] I know nobody. I'm in a whole different state.
And I was like, I'mma just focus on my books.
>> And then I was like straight A's, like to the point where my counselor was like, put you some advanced classes and [ __ ] like that. Um, especially literature. I love literature. So I was advanced AP literature and [ __ ] >> And then I went to her. I was like after like six weeks, I was like, I don't want to be in this.
>> I was like, everybody in here just trying to prove they smarter than everybody. Nobody gives a [ __ ] about the work. And it's like, and because of how I talk and because I'm not going to try to like out word with you, it's like everybody in here like trying to kiss the the teacher at like this [ __ ] don't give a [ __ ] This [ __ ] got his degree.
He gonna do this again next semester.
>> Yeah.
>> He not going to be next semester. Oh, >> I wish I had Tim Johnson in my class again. Like, no. He don't give a [ __ ] about you, [ __ ] And I knew this young like I knew he didn't care about me specifically. I knew if I was a great student, it would be a joy to teach me.
Yeah. But I know he's not taking me with him the rest of his career, right? And keeping me fond in his heart, [ __ ] It's just like this is the class. And it was this one kid where like anytime we would break down uh a passage or essay and it's like naturally the way that I relate to things is how the real world is. So I would be taking [ __ ] like from the Iliad and all this and like how does this apply to like modern day and I would do it with like [ __ ] like that was happening in my neighborhood or [ __ ] that was happening with my [ __ ] and he'd be like well that's actually like you know like bro shut the [ __ ] and I asked him one time in class I was like I was like bro I'm one of the few black people in here is that why you always got to like critique of my work >> because you got to come and think about this [ __ ] from this big academic perspective that nobody give a [ __ ] about and I could pull this [ __ ] from real life and I say it better than you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's threatening. It's >> a like that [ __ ] And he's supposed to be like start student. You know, this nigga's on debate team and he he the he the head of the FMLA and all that [ __ ] And like they asked me to be in these clubs. No. Like not if this [ __ ] in there I'm not going to be in there. [ __ ] that [ __ ] >> And I was like six weeks in I was like oh great scrap. Just put me a regular.
>> Oh so you you did go back.
>> Yeah. [ __ ] that. I I don't like that pompet [ __ ] And I also wasn't raised around it. Uh, it wasn't never a thing where I'm going just go to school and like I was never like going to college.
I I had already made my mind up like I want to be a creative. I want to be in the arts.
>> So like me excelling at this class ain't really going to do nothing for my plight cuz I'm going to do graffiti and I want to be a cartoonist and you know like I had already given up on sports.
But I did want to go to SCAD and I had like already been building my SCAD portfolio and so I was like I already kind of was set where I was and I think now if I would have went I would have probably went into marketing and advertising and >> you know I understanding that like my my teacher always was telling me like >> you just have a great marketing mind.
She's like even in your art like you know how to take the concept and like this is like she's like it's almost like you're selling the concept.
>> You know how to draw attention to the thought behind the concept. So when we do seven deadly sins, even though there's all this stuff going on in your artwork, I know exactly what the sin is when I see it. She was like, "That's marketing." Look, we've all got that appointment we've been putting off.
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There's there's like a there's a tension I think a lot of times in the the skill set that it takes to be good academically and then like what actually makes you successful in the real world.
Like there the the overlap is not particularly salient. Like you you you'll see a lot of people who are very good students who just can't figure out how to do real world [ __ ] how to how to monetize themselves, how to take their, you know, work ethic or their intelligence and and and make it, you know, like blow it up. And I think a lot of times kids that are in that traditional academic machine when they see people have these like these, you know, uh like auxiliary skill sets like how you have like there's a there's a real jealousy there because it's clear that like being able to pass this test or being able to that that's going to get you you're going to do well in school.
>> But the people who are going to do well in real life do the things that you do with your brain and they and they can see it. A lot of times honestly like a lot of professors and teachers can see it too and then they have to make the choice to whether to tell that kid to steer into it or to be like well you're not being academic enough. You know I had a I had a a teacher that was telling me that like told me pretty early on even though like there was I was a like a better student. It was like academic you shouldn't you shouldn't keep going that route like you shouldn't try to be a professor and I want to get my JD and all that stuff. She was like, "You you have a knack for communications that like we don't teach in these textbooks."
You feel me? Because it comes from like a lived experience, but being a black American, being in a white space, being black spaces, like all this stuff is like they don't we don't teach that [ __ ] here.
>> Yeah. And then charisma, too.
>> Yeah. Car like we don't we don't teach that.
>> You can't even be taught charisma, nor can you be taught like, >> you know, just the understanding of how to maneuver in a room.
>> Exactly. anthropology is the closest thing to it. You can take like anthrop classes and maybe some psych classes, but like most of the people that I know that have the best reads on people are just like hood [ __ ] or just like real [ __ ] that just they could tell when it's like, "Oh, oh yeah, some [ __ ] about to pop up over there."
>> Yeah. Because the trauma is hypervigilant. Yes.
>> And like that's something you just got to get out of life.
>> Hypervigilance just come out of life.
Sometimes it come out the household.
Sometimes it come out the neighborhood.
Sometimes it could just be a traumatic experience. They just turn that on. But these are also things that you just can't buy.
>> Yeah. You know what's another thing that's kind of like that? Like comedy is kind of like that.
>> Yeah.
>> Like you could study how do people structure their jokes. Strong premise and this and that. And then like a lot of the funniest [ __ ] you know, just be [ __ ] from the hood for real.
>> Like you know, they just they just have a knack. But like making somebody laugh is take there's a level of intelligence you have to have >> to like read a room to know like >> what's what's working what's not. But a lot of a lot of like a lot of hood [ __ ] I know they just they got that [ __ ] >> bro. It's the thing is is like the way that the mind is computing stuff in milliseconds.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And it's like it's it's really it goes from computing it to how I'm going to say it. That's it.
>> Yeah.
>> Like how and when. Like I know the time has come. I'm going to talk about the [ __ ] shoes. It's not right now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
It's just like just roasting [ __ ] in general. Like we we grew up doing it >> back and forth. Yeah.
>> It's fun, but it's it's smart, bro. But it's like >> there are like I I believe like 8 to 12 different forms of intelligence >> and school only focuses on one or two of them.
>> So it's like the kid who can regurgitate what happened in the book, that [ __ ] don't mean nothing to me because also anytime eighth grade, same thing. Math, eighth grade, I was taking algebra in eighth grade. Um, this was the advanced course of of math. And my teacher was like, he's like, "You can get a A in any basic course that they going to give you at this school because you don't need >> the W. You don't need nobody to hold your hand. Like once you understand a concept, >> it's all to the races with you. You don't even need to know what's going on in the book." She's like, he and my math teacher was telling me like, "If I give you a formula, >> once you understand the formula, I can put any problem in front of you. you going to solve it. And you don't need like >> x amount of homework per week or x amount of worksheets to get it. Once you get the formula, you got it. The thing is is like >> you got to be here to get the formula.
And you the type of [ __ ] that'll skip class >> and like that was what made it made me unpopular in AP lit. It was like y'all coming that [ __ ] high as [ __ ] Like I'm talking about like wintertime high. So I got on a flight jacket.
>> My flight jacket RA weed. I'm 10 minutes late. I don't give a [ __ ] [ __ ] Y'all have the dogs at your school?
>> Nah. N I went to school in this bird.
Like what's considered a bird? Like I went to school in Dougville. So yeah, no dogs. But um I would just man I'd be going that [ __ ] and it's like I might go to sleep.
>> Yeah.
>> Anything. And it's like but it come take a test and I'm like yeah this answer that. Uhuh. And it's like [ __ ] be looking at me like what the [ __ ] And it's like the kid particularly I'm pretty sure his mindset is this is not fair.
>> But it's also like you didn't have to live my life either. So >> yeah. You know what I mean? If you want to swap lives, I'm pretty sure your [ __ ] is pretty [ __ ] basic, bro. You just go home, you eat a sandwich, you get an allowance, your parents ain't arguing.
>> You know what? You know what, bro? I go back and forth with this because, you know, I think it's it's kind of easy to be like, "Oh, yeah. These little white boys, they be having it easy. They, you know, they they kind of born on third base a lot of times and with wealth in their families. But these little white kids be committing suicide.
>> Yeah. They be growing up. They have [ __ ] that's going on with them. [ __ ] be really, you know what I'm saying? [ __ ] be really going on in their head.
>> The the um this the the thing is what they talk about this um the thrillseeking nature of white people is because they don't have like >> structural >> obstacles to overcome >> and like the mind needs obstacles. It needs problems to solve. And it's like >> yeah, it do seem like it's easier to be a white dude, but you also ain't got to like I never have to worry about my dad coming home and killing all of us.
>> I'm saying you know what I'm saying?
like that or even just like you know love like I feel like the way that black families and I'm not saying we perfect but the way we love on each other is a little different than the like I feel like sometimes there's a coldness like I see how like my white friends growing up would talk to their mamas it was like a there was a was a coldness to it like damn you just called your mama a [ __ ] like damn mom like >> what the [ __ ] like why you cussing at your mama like that like >> crazy Yeah.
>> I think it's devoid of love, but it's like devoid of community because the the the way to keep white people in line in this country has been they get paid in power and and and they use that power to be individuals.
>> Yeah.
>> They preach individualism. So, >> yeah, he doesn't care about like the long-term effects of his mom because him his mom is literally just a role in his life.
>> Yeah.
>> It's not like as personable. Um and this is just from my perspective. I'm not I never lived a white life. But I think also another thing is too what I do notice about white people is that they don't have cousins or nicknames.
>> They don't be having cousins, BRO. WHITE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE COUSINS OR THEY DO HAVE COUSIN but they don't know their cousins and [ __ ] >> And they don't have nicknames. Like >> I never heard a white person be like, "Oh, I was just with my cousin. I'm going to my cousin's house."
>> No, >> that's crazy.
>> And our cousins is like, we get like extra siblings, >> you know? Bro, when I was living in DC, I had just moved to DC. I was living in 8 Street and they have a festival every year, 8 Street Fest, and they, you know, they got the go- go music and and it goes late, it goes late until 1 2 o'clock uh in the morning and that neighborhood was getting gentrified by white people. And when the festival was technically supposed to end like 9 10 o'clock, that's actually when it would kind of begin, you know. And the year I was there, some of the white people that had just moved in were saying to the black people like, "Um, you know, technically it was supposed to end at 10:00." And and I had to watch all these black folks who have history being in a street doing this festival have to wrap it up because here come the white people who think that they're the police, right? And bro, you know what I really thought about when I was leaving that? I was like, I feel like I feel like white people miss out on humanity a little bit because they seek supremacy over it so much.
Like these are beautiful moments that you probably actually could be a part of. Like they not going to tell you to but like they want to be the police so bad that they like miss out on human moments. You know what I'm saying? It was like kind of sad. I'm like damn you could be a part of this right now.
>> Craziest thing before I got here, right?
And I'm dressed like this.
And I'm going to get my car um cuz I'm getting a rental cuz we got a show in Nashville.
And this white lady walks up to me and I'm standing there waiting on the shuttle. the shuttle takes you to your car at this specific spot and she's like, "Do you know where we're supposed to be um going because like I'm I'm here to get my car and woop." And I was like, "I don't [ __ ] work here." And she's like, "I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry." But it goes to that point where it's like you want to be in charge so much that everybody that doesn't look like you must be working for you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. because they could have just joined the festival and they would have probably had the best. They would have talked about that for years.
>> But instead, they need control and that's why they like quiet and they like ah like everything has to be like it has to be the perfect temperature and it has like what about my dog and you know all this [ __ ] and it's like because it's like it is devoid of humanity. It's not human. It it is antihuman >> in its behavior because human is a like a collaborative collective thing that we're doing. It's a collective experience. I feel the same way about American Christianity, too. Like I think, you know, like if I told my mom who's a very strong Christian, I don't believe in Jesus. What she would hear is, "Oh, you don't believe in God."
>> Right? And that's not what I said.
>> And I think like I think like spirituality is like a house and Christianity is like a room in one of those houses, but there's other rooms, right? Like, and because Christianity seeks to have supremacy over the whole spiritual experience, I feel like Christians miss out on spirituality in a lot of ways. Like >> they miss out on God.
>> They miss out on God. Like they they put a they put God in a in a box almost.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because this needs to be easy for me to control or understand because I don't control or understand myself. And you mean to tell me that every other I mean we are we talking about billions of people that don't believe in the same God as you are going to hell.
>> Yeah.
>> But if I was born in India, I could be Muslim. I could be seek. I could be Hindu. I could be all of these things just because of where I was born.
>> I need to examine this.
>> Yeah.
>> I need to examine what my idea of God is.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
And it almost like it it it their vision of God has no has nothing to do with moral accountability because if you think that this all powerful God engineered the cultural isolation from Christianity for somebody who's Muslim or seek in in India who might get approached by the gospel once in their life but I get to get approached by by my grandmama every time I go over her house. I get another chance to get saved, but this person over here gets one chance, maybe maybe two. And it's just because of where they were born. But then the the the the punishment is an equal amount of conscious torment in hell. That is not a moral God. If that is really what you believe God is, that's not a >> I should get a worse hell than that [ __ ] >> You know what I'm saying? Like my grandma was telling me every every week.
So it's just like they they have a strange relationship with spirituality, you know, >> it's a fear-based it's a fear-based belief.
>> Yeah.
>> And so like what is fear? Like ultimately if we think about the effects of fear not only on the body but the action of how fear will freeze you.
>> You can't think in fear.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Think about >> think about the cold chill that goes over your body when real fear hits you.
And then think about what are you looking to do in that moment? Escape.
You want to run away. You want to get away from it.
>> Um, a lot of people assume that when it comes to like physical confrontation that you will fight. Some people don't.
Some people freeze. Some people flight.
>> But what about mental confrontation?
>> Yeah.
>> What about coming to the realization that you [ __ ] up?
>> Yeah.
>> All you want to do is escape.
>> It also like makes it where I don't want to hear [ __ ] I can't even think because of my own thoughts >> and then you trying to tell me something I can't. So like think about that >> as a walking state.
>> Yeah.
>> Everything is like I'm going to hell.
>> Well, they that's the that's the like, you know, for lack of a better term, the beauty of their indoctrination where they start you off like you are you're a born sinner, right? And so you that fear that you're talking about it's it's it's in the infrastructure of your their entire experience on this on this planet and they're constantly working to undo the thing that made them a born senator which is I don't even know what that thing would be. And the craziest part about it, bro, the craziest part is it will have a black American Christian looking you in your face, basically saying that the things that led to him being Christian, child slavery, >> were somehow a part of a divine >> plan for his lineage. That is a sickness >> beyond that is an unspeakable sickness.
that's going on in your brain if you think and I've had Christians say that.
I'm like, well, you know, we wouldn't necessarily be Christian if it wasn't for slavery, you know what I mean? And and our ancestors getting paged and the forced adoption of this spirituality.
And they're like, well, ultimately it led to something good. That's in that's crazy.
>> Yeah, but what? Like, [ __ ] what >> what >> what >> what you're a greener at Walmart, [ __ ] What's good about that, >> bro? And not what I mean. I mean, tell me what >> IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE YOU RICH.
>> YOU'RE NOT EVEN A LIKE, BRO, you you've been through America.
>> Jesus Jesus been been the the the coach of your team for 20 seasons. Y'all [ __ ] is still the wizards.
>> Y'all [ __ ] is ow and 82 every >> season. BRO, YOU DON'T YOU NOT TRYING TO TRY A DIFFERENT COACH?
>> ALL WE GOT TO do is be thankful, >> bro. Try a new coach, maybe. I don't know. And it's not like here's my thing is this is that >> yes it's a deep-seated sickness because the thing that if you try to denote divinity to your suffering >> like [ __ ] rape like raping and killing your children >> eating eating your father >> skinning >> skinning putting your hair in in in couches. Yes.
>> Um using your children as alligator bait. um cutting cutting babies out of the wombs of their mother and stomping their stomping them.
>> And this is God.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. I'm cool on him.
>> I'm cool on him on that [ __ ] >> because >> that [ __ ] evil.
>> Where was this [ __ ] at?
>> Yeah. Where he at?
>> And and >> where was what was you doing for 200? If we if you say like you got to think about this belief system of this is something that I tell my kids about the n-word like never let nobody play with you when it come to that [ __ ] [ __ ] How many how many black people the last thing they heard was them being called a [ __ ] >> Now think about this adversely. How many black people died and the last thing they screamed for was Jesus? Yeah. Yeah.
>> I can't, you know, >> I'm not playing. I can't play like that, >> you know? Like I feel like people people like you and others who want to be real authentic like I that's where I came to you know I grew up in the church but I came to a point where I was like if the God y'all telling me to serve by y'all I mean my parents every adult you ever trust if you're saying that he is all powerful and he's all good.
Stop right there. He's all powerful and all good. Where was he at when my ancestors were getting skinned alive?
And actually, I don't even know if I need to know where he was at because an all powerful God who does not stop that when if I'm being authentic, I don't even like that God for real.
>> [ __ ] with that [ __ ] >> You know what I'm saying? It's not even >> you talking about you talking about like Levi Strauss jeans logo was the four horses connected to the four limbs of a black person and running them in different directions.
And the idea behind jeans was four slaves so I can see you when you out in the field. These [ __ ] have made billions of dollars off of this imagery and this and this mindset and like [ __ ] a [ __ ] [ __ ] that guy. And I'm not even trying to be disrespectful. I'm saying that nigga's ultimately the most disrespectful being on earth, [ __ ] We talking about millions and millions of people, bro.
>> If he has the power you're saying and his text and this text we're talking about doesn't even it encourages slavery in most in most parts of the Old Testament and some parts of the New Testament. It encourages this thing. Ma slaves be obedient to your masters with trembling of heart. I mean, we can go all throughout the Bible and find places. All All my [ __ ] had to say was like, "Yo, don't be racist and don't kill people, right?"
>> It'll be like It'll be very easy to spot a racist.
>> It'd be very easy.
>> And it's also very awkward to me to see um James Baldwin said this, like the most segregated hour is high noon on a Sunday morning. Well, we talking about the church. We talking about two racial groups of people that believe in the same God can't even worship together.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> We we we got to call in question what we talking about.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> [ __ ] will come together for football before they'll come together for God.
>> Yeah.
>> You understand what I'm saying? And so I can't for one can't fathom it.
>> Yeah.
>> For two. Also, I was always a child.
It's like I got to ask him a little bit more questions. I don't >> Yeah. You know, this is like the thing the the the um the story that most people talk to when they like condemn homosexuality >> is I believe who was it?
>> Sodom and Gomorrah.
>> It's not even But is this in Corinthians?
>> It was an address to the Corinthians.
>> Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. The letters to Corinth. Yeah.
>> Right. [ __ ] I don't know no Corinthians [ __ ] >> And why is you reading their mail, TOO?
LIKE REAL >> IT'S A LETTER to them. Like >> how nasty was y'all [ __ ] being out there when they was like, "Hey, bro, we got to STOP THAT."
>> AND I'M NOT A CORINTHIAN. I DON'T KNOW no Corinthians. I'm not a Corinthian.
>> I never met a Corinthian.
>> And so obviously that don't apply to me.
>> Yeah. No, that's facts. It's It's like I think they've made sense of a very very chaotic world with it. And the ironic part is most of the the the chaos came from it.
Like Christianity has has given when I talk to people about this, they're just like, well, you know, Reverend Martin Luther King, Reverend Jesse Jackson. I'm like, yeah, Christianity has given a lot of like peace and comfort to a world that was, you know, ravished by Christianity. You know, am I lying? Like, but like if that's what you got going on, I rock with you.
But I don't like the evangelical nature of American Christianity.
>> You don't have to be And that's where you get into whiteness. That's where the the the blurred lines between whiteness, man, white manifest destiny and and American Christianity blurred because now you're leaving your home. Like people was cheering on the Pope. They were like, "Oh, the Pope going at Trump." I was like, "The Pope was on a plane to Africa when he made that when he made that uh that push back on Trump to do what?" I feel like I read a book or two about white people leaving their homes and talking to Africans about divinity, right? So like the soft adoption of Christianity or like the soft face that a pope might have to me does not hide from the violence that this thing has been to to humanity, you know, and I can't I can never get over I know you got into it with [ __ ] when you wore the >> Oh, man. Listen, bro. The thing is is like I believe whatever y'all say.
>> I'm the devil. All right. Watch, bro. It cost $12 for this mask.
>> Yeah.
>> How demonic is that? Yeah, >> it's $12.
>> Yeah, these are the same people that kick their kids out of the house for being queer or or take food stamps away from the poor.
>> Oh, let's talk let's take it a step further. Let's talk about how this [ __ ] Kev on stage is not only like one of the most upstanding fathers and husbands in the content creator space, but has also created spaces for all these content creators to come together on shows that he's creating to not only get their first acting titles or acting credits.
Um, not only get their first experience on a production or movie set, but he's literally in real time making tens and tens of if not hundreds of people's dreams come true.
>> Yeah. And then it's like this because he said like I choose to love queer and LGBTQ people. It's like well this [ __ ] is the devil. It's like >> lost the plot. Lost y'all have lost the plot. If you could look at somebody like Kev. Shout out to Kev by the way. Kev ain't he ain't asked me to be on the show or nothing like that. I you know I'm available. You know you know what I'm saying? Do you think Do you think Kev just thinks I'm an academic? Maybe.
Maybe he maybe he doesn't think I got to do something funny.
>> I got to do something funny. Yeah. Cuz I I need I need to get on that show. I guarantee you like I've made Kev laugh and he was like got to call that guy.
>> I'M SAYING BRO I KNOW I DIDN'T made Kev laugh a couple bro when I first started Tik Tok I was only on that [ __ ] making jokes.
>> I had 100,000 followers before politics.
I got to get back to my roots bro. Kev don't think I'm Kev don't think I'm funny.
>> Yeah. I mean I think also man um there's a a we always will talk about how like comedy and intelligence is intertwined or just like creativity like you're very creative person but man you be you be whooping white folks ass on CNN.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm only watching Fox News cuz that boy Joshua giving white folks hell >> this summer I'm I'm I'm I'm back I'm back on on I'mma be on Abby a couple more times. Oh, no. No. This summer I'm in New York and I'm going to be on Abby a bunch. So, we'll see. We'll see about the Have you seen Isaiah Martin?
>> Yeah.
>> He was on Jubilee.
>> Yeah.
>> The black dude. He be He be whipping [ __ ] too. His debates.
>> He be spanking ass.
>> Spanking a belt to ass.
>> He be belt to ass. He also a Zionist.
And that's where [ __ ] lose.
>> Oh, is he?
>> Yeah. That's why [ __ ] don't like him.
>> Isaiah Martin.
>> Yes.
>> We talking about the same Isaiah Martin.
>> Glasses, furled brow when the white people speaking.
>> Oh, really?
>> Yeah. I mean, you know, I didn't know that >> for most [ __ ] all you got to do is say blank has the right to defend itself, and it's like, well, [ __ ] you.
>> Yeah.
>> But I think that >> I respect however well-informed any black person is. And I respect also just months.
I mean, months of going live and just making MAGA looking stupid as a [ __ ] >> It was a master class.
>> Oh my god, bro. They never met, I tell you. in their mind they never thought a [ __ ] could be that smart.
>> No. No.
>> Yeah, he's a gen he's he's brilliant.
>> He be say genius, but that's we can't keep throwing that word out. But he's brilliant.
>> Yeah, he is. And I like his I like how how how calm he'd be.
>> He'd be so smart before he'd be like, "Okay." Yeah. Well, then what? I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] we had free trade." I'm like, "Oh, yeah.
this [ __ ] >> You know, the thing is I've heard I think I've heard him say this, but um to our point about capitalism earlier, I wanted to say is that >> competition is great. You know, the >> capitalism is a system of competition is for the free market, right? Until black people are are winning the competition.
>> Yep.
>> And excelling in the free market, then we want some parameters around it.
>> For sure. And I think that that's always very interesting to me that these people are staunch capitalist till black people start winning that capitalism.
>> This is kind of my problem with leftists. And obviously, you know, if you feel free to push back if you have a a different thought, but like I feel like a lot of leftists were anti- capitalists before they were anti-racist. And I think >> I think that a lot of the tension we're seeing between white and black leftists right now is because they're realizing that the white people who were staunch opponents to capitalism were really only there because that system was not working for their white asses, right?
And so now they're like, "Oh, we got to burn all this [ __ ] down." The same [ __ ] black people been going through for a very, very long time. And so I think a lot of them, a lot of white leftists actually are the very people, this is not the most the majority, the line share of these people, but a lot of them are the people who very much so would be okay with a capitalistic system that that helped them, but because it's not helping them, they want to burn it down.
>> Yeah.
>> A lot of them.
>> Yeah.
>> Or maybe I'm just cynical about white people. I don't know.
>> No, you're not. You have every right to be cynical, but that is also very accurate.
>> Yeah. It it you know, here's the thing.
Like imagine that imagine everybody that is in support of ICE, right?
Imagine like if they were Eastern Europeans >> and they started rounding up Eastern Europeans and those could be their uncles, their cousins, brothers, sister, family. If it started affecting them, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
>> Mhm. Hey, and now the people that used to be paid in power and were middle management as the economy struggles, >> that middle management check that stretches far, that power don't feel powerful anymore. And it's like, hold on, [ __ ] I was supposed to win in this. Mhm.
>> I thought I was gonna And so, >> you know, the the the the quote temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
>> Um was is the way that most white people, especially white men, operate is that, >> you know, I'm going to support this this group of people. I'm going support the the elite class because one day I will be in the elite class.
>> And when they have to come to that like grueling realization that they won't be, it's like, well, we need to undo this whole [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah. Now you're there. Now, now you talking, >> but it took for your bubble to burst.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, and that's like >> Yeah. It's just unfortunate. Um, also too, I'm not 100% about Isaiah Martin being a Zionist. So, I don't want to put that on cuz I was looking it up and it seems like he returned to Ape Money or something like that. So, yeah. You know, whatever. So, we going to just cut that out. I don't want Okay.
>> Yeah. I don't want to [ __ ] on that [ __ ] He's brilliant.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know, >> I had never heard of Was it in his I mean, we can still cut this part out, but was it in his race that they were saying that about? No, I think it was a it was he was blowing up on um threads because of his Jubilee thing. And then of course a lot of leftists started coming out and saying I was like I don't know if this is true. And also it was some people that I've been following for a while and I like I was like well they wouldn't just say that.
>> But at the same time I didn't confirm that and I ain't going to [ __ ] on that man.
>> We're going to cut that out and we just going to call that brother brilliant.
>> He is he is very brilliant. Um, I think it's it's very interesting to me to um to watch like the mass FOMO >> that white people are having.
>> Um, white women very easy entry point to be anti-American when they can choose to go at the patriarchy but not let go of their anti-blackness.
>> Um, so this is the struggle for them.
Mhm.
>> Um, white men very easy to start with capitalist >> and not address anti-blackness. It's like everybody wants the entry point that doesn't hold them accountable.
>> Yep.
>> So, like even with me when I talk about like, >> you know, patriarchy, misogyny, and things like that, it's like, yeah, I can benefit from those things and I'm not >> I'm not running away from that.
>> Yeah. I know that I have said things that maybe 10, 15 other black women have said time and time over again and you didn't never hear it until I said it.
>> Yeah, that's facts.
>> Because of the patriarchal aspect of it, it's like you going to listen to men.
You ain't listening to women for your information.
>> Yeah.
>> Same thing will go to say most black people have heard a darker skinned person say this and they won't listen to them because of the colorist aspect. So, I understand like what privileges I operate in even if I have to deal with certain and some of the same struggles.
>> Um, but I ain't running away from either. Yeah. And everybody wants to start at the place where they don't have to be accountable. So, for most leftists, it's like we're going to we're going to start at >> the capitalist and not like I don't want to think about the racial aspect of it.
>> Yeah.
>> Because >> for one, that's like an easy thing to ignore that like capitalism and racism are intertwined. Yeah. But if I'm a white person and I want to go at capitalist, I have to address racial biases. I have to address racism and anti-blackness and the way that this country has treated black people. And most of them don't want to do that because it's not about what's better for the country at large. It's like when are things going to be more beneficial to me.
>> You're absolutely right. I agree in every way. And there's another group that I think you left out that I want to say explicitly. Queer white people.
Where's my camera?
>> Cuz I went queer white people. Dear queer white people, you're still white.
You are still white. I feel like we have to every financial quarter, we got to remind queer white people that they're white. And that listen, that's a good thing. You can advocate in ways that I can't advocate from your whiteness, right? Like I see some queer white folks beginning to like try to they're doing like a like a a oppression equality game with black. No, you you're literally a white man.
>> Yeah. Also, oh, where's my camera? Cool.
White people. You got your whole personality from black women.
>> Okay. I I was going to SAY ALL THAT, BUT LISTEN, since he went there, you know what I'm saying? What's all the What's ALL WHAT'S ALL THE NECK THE NECK POPPING? WHAT'S ALL THAT? Is it Are we Are we just appreciating, you know, cuz we say uh the highest form of flattery is imitation.
>> Okay. Well, let's make sure as we're doing those things, we're protecting black women when they're not in the room as well. And also, like, it's okay that you're still white. I just want to like >> just be white. It's fine, >> bro. White people used to white people used to be white, bro. When we was growing up, >> man, white people >> they used to make rock music >> and they they [ __ ] was kind of fire.
Some of the rock music was hard.
>> I'm going to keep it. I wouldn't even put the condo on it. That [ __ ] was hard.
>> Some of this [ __ ] was hard, bro.
>> Hard, [ __ ] >> And then they now they want to be rappers. Dear Colton, why are you trying to be a rapper, bro?
Get in that garage, learn how to play that electric guitar, and make some make some [ __ ] money. Green Day, you got the Green Day jeans in you.
>> Hook up the amps, [ __ ] >> They had the slang. Their slang was kind of hard. They said whatever.
>> What?
>> Oh, loser.
>> That [ __ ] used to hit.
>> That [ __ ] go crazy.
>> I was like, damn. Not going to lie, man.
It was popping it. Like, >> bro, white people get back get back to what you >> They lost themselves, bro. They're the first generation of white people >> to hate [ __ ] and want to be [ __ ] >> Want to be [ __ ] >> Oh, that's got to be a confusing part.
>> To hate [ __ ] and want to be [ __ ] bro.
>> That's the That's like That's That's the purgatory.
>> Yes.
That's white per >> white purgatory. Like, I hate these [ __ ] but I want to be like them.
>> Because the generations before them hated [ __ ] and wanted to extract from [ __ ] >> Yeah. I want to steal, but I want to >> Yeah.
>> I want to still be white.
>> They hated [ __ ] And I want to say the generations before them, they just hated they hated [ __ ] with with way more hair on their chest. You know what I'm saying? They would be like, "Yo, like you like, why don't you send your kid to that school?" They like, "Too many Asians at the school. I don't [ __ ] with Asians." And it was like, "Damn." You know what I'm saying? Like straight up now >> Archie Bunker whites. Like I'm not sending my daughters, >> some [ __ ] black. But now they, you know, you trying to be cool with Tyrone and freestyle, then go vote for Trump.
Hate [ __ ] with your chest. I I feel like we have a bunch of PSAs to white people. If you hate [ __ ] hate [ __ ] with your chest, bro.
>> I'm going to take a page out of your book. Stop being [ __ ] posers, [ __ ] >> Oo, that's a good one. Posers.
>> They used to be posers. You remember back in the day, you couldn't wear a rock band shirt if you ain't listen to them [ __ ] You couldn't wear skate shoes if you were no skateboarder. So start hating [ __ ] and looking like us.
>> Facts. I mean, white people had their own culture. They like that culture and some of that [ __ ] was kind of cool.
Jersey Shore >> vibe.
>> That [ __ ] was kind of fun to watch.
>> Love white people being ratchet.
>> White people kind of had for a minute.
Maybe this was just Chicago. White people had black people wearing Hollister for a quick minute.
>> [ __ ] was wearing Hollister >> for a quick little second.
>> That summer of09.
>> The summer of09 Speries, American Eagle, and Hollister. That's how dominant y'all get back to being white, >> man. Y'all literally lost the sauce, bro.
>> The [ __ ] sauce.
>> Y lost it, bro.
>> Top that up. I'm putting that on my [ __ ] >> Shout out to Chief Keef for making white people want to be [ __ ] >> I never I NEVER SEEN A WHITE BOY IN A Faragamo until Chief Keef.
>> Bro, Chief Keef had [ __ ] in Chicago buying Gucci goggles, bro. Like ski goggles. He would he would buy these big ass guy. He just wear them on the side of his head.
>> And [ __ ] was like, "Yo, I need a 500."
>> Really powerful. He didn't reg at 16.
>> That's what a Chicago [ __ ] could do.
>> Yeah.
Shout out to Chicago. Yeah. Hell yeah.
Hell yeah, >> man. Shout out to Chicago [ __ ] man.
Um, you know, this has been Josh Doss.
Uh, make some noise for Josh Dos. You know what I'm saying? Thank you for having >> And you know, before we get out of here, white people, just go back to being white.
>> Yes, sir. You know, just maybe maybe pick up a skateboard. Y'all was cold with that. Tony Hawk. That [ __ ] was cold.
>> I ain't gonna lie. The Asians cooking them right now with this.
>> Are the Asians skateboarding? All right.
Maybe you lost that. Maybe it's too But but you could you'll lose everything eventually.
Let's just be Let's just be honest.
>> Take a time time for >> pickle ball and golf is next. I'm telling you.
>> I have never met so many [ __ ] that golf in my life.
>> Once [ __ ] get a hand of pickle ball, they're going to ban it in America.
They're going to ban >> pickle ball paddles will go up to like a,000 per paddle. That's what they did with baseball. They just raised the price. You know how much a baseball bat cost? Like 350, dog?
>> Mhm. They trying to price [ __ ] out.
They say they can't Y'all can't have everything.
>> Yeah. We already got We got the Dominicans for that.
>> Yeah.
>> We don't need you [ __ ] no more. For real. We going to outsource this to the Spanish blacks.
>> Yeah, man. Um Yeah, bro. You know, I'm I'm I think after this tour is over, we'll be touring through the end of the year. Next summer, catch me on the greens.
>> You trying to learn?
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> I I want to learn, too. My >> It seemed like a vibe, bro.
>> My pops been trying to teach me for a minute and [ __ ] with it.
>> My uncle like um they got >> the Cascade Golf Range. It was like black black golf club over there, you know? They was doing their thing. Yeah.
>> And then we got one on Southside, too.
And now they popping up more and more because Mike will Made It just made uh Made It What is Made It Golf >> or something like that. He He got his own golf club. We got Eastside Golf out here.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. [ __ ] is golfing out here. So >> I'm all right. Hit me. Hit me when you when you really trying to learn. Maybe we'll live stream it or something.
>> Facts. We go to the drive.
>> I'mma be ass I'mma be ass.
>> I'm be garbage too. But the thing is is like >> I'm a very visual learner. I learned how to drive from watching my mama how to drive. I was like, "Oh, okay. Bet." If as soon as I get behind the wheel and I figure the mechanics out and how they feel, I'm off to the races. So once I learn the mechanics and I catch and feel, I'mma be decent at that [ __ ] >> I think so, too. I feel like I feel like black people could pick up [ __ ] like that. Like you see Tiger Woods and and Serena Williams, I'm like, "Oh, we just haven't been trying."
>> Yeah. That's the thing. It's another thing, too. Like whenever a black person is very dominant at a a white sport, they also be kind of like, I ain't no [ __ ] for real.
>> Sometimes. Yeah, Serena.
>> But if we had like a like a >> No, there is a dude though. It's a It's a dude from Chicago. I can't remember his name, but he like he be golfing, but he >> bro, it's a [ __ ] that's cold as [ __ ] at golfing on my Instagram. He cold.
>> What's his name? Is he black? He got dreads. Yeah, >> that's a Chicago [ __ ] I can't think of his name. He's nice.
>> That [ __ ] Cole. That I ain't never seen that [ __ ] Well, I mean it's it's Instagram, but he par every time if not birdie.
>> They going to change a vote. This is what I say about basketball to football.
I'm like, >> yo, like let Cooper flag have the NBA.
Y'all got it.
>> First of all, I could talk about Cooper ass all day. That [ __ ] nice. But you know, but uh No, I always say b black people dominate basketball because you can't change the rules halfway through the game. That's the only place a three-pointer always a three-pointer.
>> You can't change the rules. And you look up 85% of NBA black.
>> Yeah, cuz they be trying to change the rules on Coco Golf like every every match.
>> I be seeing that. Yeah. She always getting into >> She just be eating grapes cussing people out like I got be [ __ ] up, [ __ ] >> She >> She got that New Balance money too, boy.
>> I remember, bro. It's funny you brought up the money because I remember she was on uh she was on Instagram live.
Somebody was like, and she just won a bunch of money. Somebody was like, "Oh, are you going to pay off all your debts?" And she was like, "Am I going to pay off all my depths?" She was trying to read it. She pronounced the B. Deps.
Deps. Debs. Debs. She didn't know what that [ __ ] was. And Kev Kev on stage was like, "This is the type of wealth I'm trying to have."
>> Yeah. I don't even >> She don't even know what debt is. She She ain't even never read that word before. She said debt. Depths. Deps.
>> She has NO IDEA WHAT DEBT IS.
>> WHAT WHAT IS THAT [ __ ] I'M LIKE, I'M TRYING to get there. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get there on the golf course.
>> Okay. Okay. I'm with it. I'm with it.
>> We'll show it. It can't just be [ __ ] that is retiring from the NBA playing golf.
>> You got to be your everyday.
>> You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. That's interesting because more of the NBA is becoming biracial.
>> You see what I'm saying?
>> It's a lot of It's a lot of >> It's a lot of Aidens and J.
>> A lot of Aidens in the NBA now.
>> It's a lot of D in that [ __ ] man.
>> And they don't they don't got that.
They got that dog in them, dog. You ain't going to get no Kevin Garnett out of them [ __ ] >> A themm [ __ ] they they got they got white mas. All of them got white mas.
>> All them got white mas cuz all they [ __ ] daddies was in [ __ ] white women. And then here comes this [ __ ] >> You get Clay Thompson. You know what I'm saying? But shout out to Clay.
>> He black women though.
>> Shout out to Clay. I was just say you gota let me land. Shout out to Clay.
You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Shout out to him. He know what he doing.
>> Bro, you know what surprised me? You know Liles?
>> Yeah.
>> I was kind of surprised to find out that he was with a black woman.
>> Don't he kind of seem No, this is no shade.
>> No, just >> there's no shade to anybody with a white partner.
>> Love is love. I truly believe that. But I I I when I saw his fiance was I was like, "Oh, >> you got to understand something about Noah Lman. That [ __ ] autistic."
>> He has to be He's something, right? Like >> he he on the spectrum.
>> He y'all [ __ ] say he acting white.
[ __ ] just he some bro even wait did you see the video where he started dress >> he went immediately to he said oh >> listen he went to critique because it's not that he don't like her he's he's on the spectrum that [ __ ] automatically see 15 things he ain't like >> bro you see your fiance in a wedding dress for the first time you said I didn't think you would go with that one >> wrong with YOU >> LET ME STYLE it let me style it man she on And you know what? You know what's even crazier than that? To put that out.
>> Yes. And they posted >> THE [ __ ] POSTED THAT. LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT?
>> He's different, bro. He's different.
Like, >> she was like, "That's just Noah."
>> Yeah. He kind of sound like an anime character, too, when he talks. Like, I heard him one time. He's like, "I'm the fastest man alive." And I was like, "Oh, okay. Sound like Vegeta a little bit.
Don't you know that [ __ ] watching?"
>> Yeah. He kill something. But, you know, shout out to Noah Law with his with his black his black partner. I I love that.
I didn't think that he would have one.
So, >> I mean, that's just real, bro. You know what I'm saying? That's just that just um that's just the order of operations.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah.
>> If I had to deduct, you know what I'm saying? If I had to deduce what I think this [ __ ] would be with, it would be a white woman. But that's fine. Yeah.
>> I'm glad he not with one. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to that [ __ ] being the fastest [ __ ] on earth and marrying a That mean y'all son gonna be crazy. That's the Yeah, that's true.
That's true. That's true.
>> I wonder who Wimi You know what I'm saying?
>> He does not date. There's no way he dates black women. You think he dates black women? He's French.
>> The Wimi gonna pop out with a sister, man. Watch.
>> Really?
>> I don't know if it's true. I'm just speculating.
>> He He gonna have a white girl. I wasn't surprised.
>> He's never seen American black women and you >> But he looks up to Tim Duncan and Tim Duncan is married to a white girl.
>> That [ __ ] from the Virgin Islands, dog.
>> Yeah, he's different. Tim Duncan shout out to the the his Hall of Fame induction in sandals.
>> Did he really?
>> No.
>> That's the [ __ ] he would do though.
>> Yeah. He just >> I feel like Wim going to have a white girl. But it's cool though because he's I think he's you know he's >> he's French.
>> Mix mixed people can have white that's you >> I think that's it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's going >> I'm I'm really interested into the next because here's the thing about golf too. It is a individual thing. Mhm.
>> You really can't [ __ ] a [ __ ] over in golf.
>> Yeah.
>> It's you versus you.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it is just about having like mental fortitude and your mechanics on point.
And like shout out to like, >> yo, as long as you don't drink and drive, bro, you gonna be decent in that [ __ ] Like, they >> What's wrong with this [ __ ] bro?
Gates podcast, [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? What's wrong with this [ __ ] >> You know what I'm saying?
>> That nigga's also autistic.
>> I'm sorry.
>> That [ __ ] autistic, man. That [ __ ] blazing.
>> It got to be something, bro. And you know what's crazy, bro?
>> That [ __ ] going to keep drinking and driving. That's what you don't understand about this [ __ ] He going to do it again.
>> You know what's crazy? The craziest thing about it? Tiger Woods is a billionaire.
>> He could never drive again. He just >> He's doing that [ __ ] for the love of the game, bro. He's in, bro. It's in him.
LIKE, >> LOOK. WAIT, AIN'T that [ __ ] He be looking a [ __ ] mess. And he like, "Yo, I'm back." YEAH. WHAT YOU GOING to do, >> bro? Like, >> what you going to do, [ __ ] I'm >> And that's a life lesson. Like, do what you love.
>> You can't take the money, [ __ ] >> Do what you want.
>> And my son going to be the best golfer in this.
>> Son is nice, too.
>> Son is cold, [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Come on, man. He doing what he seen his father do.
>> Oh, hopefully not. He going to be in the golf cart.
of three Kool-Aids in a goddamn >> Tiger said, "You got to fuss some of hoes. You got to drink a drink." You know what I'm saying?
>> Oh [ __ ] bro. Remember when Tiger Woods's wife got busted his car, his car windows out and it was like national news that he had cheated on his wife. I don't know why that was such a big story.
>> Cuz he was black and he was the best.
>> I feel like all the athletes be cheating on their wives though. cheating on their wives, bro.
>> Yeah. All professional athletes except LeBron. LeBron don't cheat. But >> yeah, shout out LeBron.
>> Shout out LeBron James. Only black men that don't cheat. But >> shout out LeBron James for just being solid, bro.
>> Solid as [ __ ] >> You know what I'm saying?
>> Solid as [ __ ] >> Just a solid [ __ ] man. All around, you know. Hey, I've only heard good things.
>> I've only heard good things that were credible. Yes.
>> I was That was a joke about uh >> what he said when they asked him about Israel.
>> OH, ISRAEL.
I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GOING TO HAVE to explain the joke.
>> It kind of took the punch out of it a little bit.
>> Bro, when he said that, I was like, "That can't be possible."
>> Listen, my There's no way.
>> There's There's just no way.
>> YOU KNOW, EVERY RAP AND YOU only heard good things.
>> There's just no way.
>> The King Day shoes. What is the Memphis Hotel? I was like, "This [ __ ] LeBron is really going for the money. He going for the gusto at the last He's definitely retiring after this cuz he is like slowly undoing a 22year legacy.
>> I I really wish somebody would have been like, "You only heard good things."
Okay, what did you hear?
>> YEAH, TELL ME.
>> LET TELL ME ONE OF them >> because I don't know what they are.
>> Three.
>> Give me three of them and we can >> But you got to also understand that this is a [ __ ] that was interviewing about a book he hadn't even opened.
You know, LeBron's a funny [ __ ] man.
>> Yeah, he is.
>> He's unironically just hilarious as hell.
>> No, he truly is, bro. With the the book [ __ ] is funny, but also just how he be capping.
>> He's a capper.
>> I I seek to cap the way he like he that's admiration. Like I I admire how he capped, bro. He was like, didn't he didn't he say like, "Oh yeah, I was watching Kobe's game. I knew he was going to have 80." And then they like pulled the records and he was like playing that night. Like he was like also like he was like I was in front of the television with my friend. It's like LeBron. We have the internet. Like we >> Listen, bro.
>> Another [ __ ] that does it for the love of the game.
>> Yes. LeBron just I got to like I got to do something. I got to have I need something.
>> These lies they keep me like when I lie when I get to lie to a [ __ ] I get to sleep at night. You know what I'm saying? You know Tiger Woods, he could Uber, but what's the fun in that?
You know what I'm saying?
>> Like what's the live and let live. Yeah, you got to respect it. Don't drink and drive kids. But yeah, shout out to the goat Tiger Woods, man. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to the other goat LeBron James. But shout out to the super goat Michael Jordan. Just choking white people on the racetrack and benching white boys asses like what's the mic?
Cheddar cheese. [ __ ] cheddar cheese in the eyes. [ __ ] join he off a pip of jack. He choking a [ __ ] and kissing him on the head. And did you see how stiff that [ __ ] was? He's like, I know Mike over there running the plantation, son.
>> Here's the thing.
>> The Jordan, the Jordan NASCAR team is Mike's plantation. He not [ __ ] around over there.
>> This is the thing you got to know about Michael Jordan. He been drunk since 2004.
>> Like a consistent a consistent drunk.
>> Really? Since like2. Yeah. Really?
Really? Since '92.
>> Cuz you remember when the with the he started with the Bulls, he was like, "Oh, I ain't doing cocaine and alcohol."
And then he was with the Bulls a little while. He's like, "Bring on the cover alcohol." I get it now. I get it.
>> Yeah. No, he's been a steady drunk for a solid >> for a solid like 16 17 years. It's not it's not all the way up here, >> but it's not sober. Every morning you just got to feed the demon a little bit.
That's what Michael Jordan is doing.
Yeah.
>> Sweating the whistle, man.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz that's why that's the cheddar cheese in the eyes. Like the only 17 years of alcohol straight can do that to you. Like >> he ain't he drinking everything neat with a cigar, bro.
>> Yeah. He going Yeah. when you win the match, he might choke you a little bit.
A [ __ ] he kissed that [ __ ] like he was a trophy, son. He grabbed a [ __ ] like, "Yeah."
>> Did you see it was a human, son?
>> Did you Did you see when he slapped uh um old boy from the from the Hornets?
What's his name? Um Malik Monk. You see when he slapped Malik Monk while Malik was on the court?
>> Yes.
>> He slapped him like somebody grandpa, man.
>> He started to like, "What you doing?"
>> You know, like Michael Jordan. This is the thing. Y'all got to remember that Michael Jordan is a [ __ ] from the country. Like he's from Wilmington, North Carolina. He grew up around old black people. Go watch his first interviews. This is a country ass [ __ ] bro. So like those that old mannerism that just been waiting to come out and that's how old people is when they frustrated with you. They ain't got no more talk for you, [ __ ] What the [ __ ] is wrong with you?
>> You got you make a point though because he had a old [ __ ] walk his WHOLE LIFE.
HIS WHOLE LIFE, MAN. He keep his head low, man.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was He was primed for this, >> bro. This is This is what This is what it all been building up to.
>> Yeah.
>> It's this.
>> I saw Michael Jordan one time in my entire life growing up in He don't be in Chicago. He was coming out of a gym and uh a bunch of people, you know, gathered on on one side. He came out and he went back in and I had access to the gym. So, when he went in, I went in and other people couldn't. And uh he was telling somebody to bring his car around and one of the ladies was like, "Don't you just want to go take a couple of pictures with some of the kids? There's like a lot of kids out there." And I swear to God, here is my right hand to God. You know the famous line, "Fuck them kids."
He didn't say, "Fuck them kids." But he basically said, he went kids not my kids.
I swear to I put this on my mother's life. I was like, "Oh." AND THIS WAS BEFORE THE [ __ ] THEM KIDS MEME was even OUT. BRO, I GOT TO see the live [ __ ] them kids. Bro, this [ __ ] Michael Jordan is different, bro. He said them not my kids.
>> He's right. Those aren't his kids.
>> You can't argue with that.
>> That's good logic.
>> You can't argue WITH THAT.
>> THAT'S SOLID LOGIC.
>> He said, >> they're not my kids.
>> Chris Podcast episode 100 or something, man. This is my [ __ ] Josh Dos, bro. Uh if you Well, [ __ ] it. It don't matter if you watching this cuz we gonna be on stage tomorrow and this [ __ ] will be over. Catch us at the black tomorrow, [ __ ] And in in the future. Um shout out my [ __ ] Rod Rose behind uh the boards.
>> Yeah, man. Uh we'll see y'all next time, man.
>> It's just rap.
>> I just want to rap. I just want to rap.
I just want to rap.
>> Yeah.
Hey man.
>> Yeah.
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