In the Alex Murdaugh trial, court clerk Becky Hill's improper communication with jurors during deliberations created a technicality that led to the Supreme Court overturning the conviction, demonstrating how procedural violations in the justice system can override substantive evidence and result in wrongful acquittals.
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This is Hidden Killers with Tony Brussi.
Here now, Tony Brussi.
>> For 20 years, Blanca Simpson wasn't just the Murdoch family's housekeeper. She was Maggie Murdo's confident, her right hand, the person Maggie pulled into a room and shut the door to cry with when Alex's financial world was collapsing around them. Now, the conviction that was supposed to be the last word for Maggie and Paul has been erased. not because of what the jury heard, but because of what a court clerk whispered to them while they were hearing it.
Joining me to discuss how she feels about all this, what it means going forward, is Blanca Simpson, Maggie's housekeeper, Alec Murdos, former housekeeper. Paul Murdo, former housekeeper, the woman who was there in the home and knew them better than most.
She joins us once again to discuss this case. Um, the other day, obviously, the big news comes down. Uh, the Supreme Court overturns the verdict. Uh, all five justices unanimous.
I mean, we know this had been simmering for a bit. uh we we thought, you know, this very likely could happen, but when it actually did happen, when the news came out, um how did it hit you? What what did what was your reaction initially?
>> You know, you you I thought I had prepared myself for it.
Um and I thought I I would be okay with whatever um verdict they came up with, whatever whatever the decision that they made.
>> Mhm. But in actuality, once the verdict came out, it it felt like a punch in the gut to tell you the truth. It >> Yeah.
>> It uh >> it really took me for a you know, I had a I knew it was coming and I could understand, you know, and I I respect the court's decision, but still, you know, it's it still hits hard. It it really does because here we go again and >> you know people starting to get back to normal and now here we go again.
>> I mean a lot of things I'm sure run through your mind. What what did you do?
What was your reaction to that? I mean did you sometimes you know like you get weird news sometimes and it's like I just want to go to bed. I want to go put the sheets over my head and be like okay I need a couple minutes to process this or days or whatever. What did you do wi when when when with that information when you got it? How did you start to try to work through it?
>> I told my husband I was going to the store to get some something something for dinner.
>> Yeah.
>> And um I went to the cemetery. I felt that I had to go to the cemetery. And I I don't I can't explain it. I don't know. It's almost like I could hear her say, "Girl, you you know, you got to come and see me." you know, that sort of thing. It was just a feeling that I had.
I had that urge to go to the cemetery.
And I mean, I know they can't hear me. I know they can't, you know, I can't see them, but it was just something that I felt I had to do was let them know, hey, here here we go again.
>> Did you know you were going to the cemetery when you got in that car or when you you turned the ignition and you started going? Was it initially to the store and then you just like, "No, we're going to the cemetery." that that was an excuse that I used. I mean, I still had to go to the store, but but my intention as soon as I heard the news, it was um I don't know. It was just an overwhelming feeling that I had to go there >> when you got to the cemetery.
What walk us through what what what happened there? What what was it like for you?
>> I um and I know people are going to say, "Well, she was probably doing it wasn't anything that you do for show." I recorded it because I wanted >> people to understand that it is a, >> you know, it's a bad experience. When you go through something like this, you think everything's been resolved, he's in prison, and then all of a sudden you hear the news that he was basically it's a technicality, you know, >> and um my voice was really shaky cuz like I said, it I thought I was prepared, but I really was not prepared for those, you know, the news.
I I I I I Fran, your your co-author on the book, had told me that that you had gone out there and that you made a short video. I have not watched it. Um did you say anything to to Maggie and Paul when you were at the grave that day?
>> I think it was something to the effect of um you know that something about people can go on with their life but here we go again or or you know but the only two that can't speak are right here. they can't speak for themselves are right here and something to that effect.
>> Yeah.
>> And then I said all because of a technicality >> and u it's hurtful. It's really really hurtful. you know, people have gone on.
Maybe people mourn other people different. Maybe I don't I don't know if it's a culture thing, but um I was very loyal to her. And um you know, it it hurts. It really hurts that because somebody wanted a shot at stardom, you know, that here we go again, you know, all over again. I mean, you got to have a lot of emotions and feelings about that because I mean, it is a technicality. Um, and and you know, people will go into the the trial and go, well, the financial this and I mean, we can talk about that, too. But but had this not happened, the odds of us getting here, and when I say this, I mean Becky Hill and her uh tampering with the jurors, had that not happened, the odds would have been significantly lower of this getting a shot at a retrial. Of course, Alec would have tried no matter what, but but this is seems to be what the the big tipping point was with the the financial crimes sprinkled on top as here's a little even more reason uh why when you think about this and and you think about uh Becky Hill and the way that she had handled uh all of this. Um I I I had just watched the one of the Murdo docs again the other day and and she was in part two of it talking about her duties and you know very proud of of how she handled it.
This was before all the charges came down. But when you you see how Becky carried herself, a lot of pride in her position, but you know now behind the scenes what was going on.
I mean what are you saying to Becky Hill in your mind in those moments?
I really can't say that would be >> if we had to use a bleep button.
I mean I mean how how would you describe it appropriate? I mean if you could like like what's going through your mind when you think of of of that. I mean that there there's got to be moments of anger there or or what what >> you know you know my main my main focus >> my main focus is with folks that get into positions especially in the area that we're from. It's a it's small communities all together.
>> Yeah. And some people get in positions of power and instead of using them for good, you know, that they it's it's more about them than about why you got that position, you know, and that that's my issue is when you get in a position or when you promise you're you're going to do something, you know, for the people, do it for the people, not because of you trying to get something out of it. It it's um I don't know, you have to have some kind of values and morals with that. And it really does upset me that you know some people get certain positions and abuse those positions because of the status that they carry. I I don't know if that makes sense, you know, and I mean lately you see a lot of that in the news. It's like you get elected to a position, you get selected for a position, you go and you work in a certain position and it kind of makes you feel like you're above the law or you're above everybody and you can do as you please. Well, perhaps, but she should have measured the enormous amount of publicity that this case was getting and that you you there was no there was the possibility of no chance.
She should have never um thought that she was above, you know, the law or above anything else. She should have done her job the way she should have done, you know, she should have performed her job.
>> And um unfortunately, you know, the the glamour, the celebrity, the the Hollywood lights, you know, New York, whatever, you know, everything was focused around her. and the documentary that you're talking about. Um I was shocked when I saw her basically almost narrating.
>> Yeah.
>> Um um and it it it did um it that stung when I saw her doing that >> because I was not aware that she was going to be a part of it >> and most certainly not, >> you know, narrating or or you know, basically that's what it looked like.
>> Yeah. And and I tell people all the time, you know, you can, you know, people I've had some some people that have said, you know, well, she's lying and I'm going to make her tell the truth and some stuff like that. But it's like, okay, you know, I I told my truth. I said the truth. It does. Some people are going to believe it. Some people are not going to believe it. But what I want to know is why are you so um determined um to prove me wrong or to say that I'm saying something that is incorrect? What bed were you hiding under or what closet were you in for the last 15 years that you know amount more about the inside works of that family than me? I I just want to know which bedroom under what bed and in what closet were you hiding that you can tell me more about this family just by what you've seen and observed.
>> I mean you can have brothers and sisters that you grew up with but once you get married and you have your lives apart you don't tell everybody what goes on within your house. It's kind of like the family kind of separate. you do things together or whatever, but they don't know your odds and ends in the house.
>> Mhm.
>> And people, for some reason, some people don't understand that, you know, when you're around people on the weekends, you have you have your guard up at times. I know she did. She used to tell me that all the time. She couldn't be herself.
So yeah, it it is um it's been upsetting, but I think I think this time around I I'm I'm more I'm better prepared because of basically talking to you guys, you know, the the the way you guys asked me questions and all that. I think I'm more prepared this time than I was the last time. The last time I didn't know what to expect.
>> Yeah.
>> At least I know what to expect now. Do you think, and this is obvious pure conjecture and just opinion, do you think Becky Hill that attitude, that way of thinking, that was she systemic of a bigger problem in that courthouse?
Was there a lot of people in that courthouse in your opinion that kind of had their own agenda? Not necessarily for fame or fortune or selling a book, but here's how we're going to do things.
Yeah, there's rules, but here's how we do things here. And just I'm I'm really wondering how much Becky realized that she was putting her her weight on the scale of justice here or putting her thumbrint on it or if she just thought she was being folksy, you know, and just well, you better look out for what he's saying. just this people that make comments, which is fine at the coffee shop, not when you're overseeing the jury, but sometimes people get into those positions of power and they and then those lines really blur and they still try to be the folksy coffee shop version of themselves in places where you there's reasons you can't do that.
It's a legal setup. Um, when you when you run that through your mind, in your opinion, where do you think Becky was on that? Do you think she obviously she didn't want her to go this far and be have her life destroyed the way she's destroyed it? But I I do wonder what she in her mind just being herself.
And I'm wondering what she's telling herself today as she sits on her swing in her front yard as people take pictures of her. I just saw some of those. How far do you think this was going to go in the mind of Becky Hill when she was talking to that jury originally? I I believe she was um in in the mentality that it was okay, you know, because that's that's how she is.
That's her personality.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think she measured the effect that it was going to have on the case.
>> Mhm.
>> And um I just don't believe that she actually, you know, thought it through.
And those are positions you I'm you know I I had um when I was in the military I had a top secret clearance for one of the positions that I held and you just have to learn that certain things you do not discuss. If you don't if if you want to be a friend of mine or if you want to be friendly with me that's fine but don't we don't discuss my my my job especially in the position that I was in.
>> Yeah. Um, and that's basically how I view it. And that's one of the reasons I'm I'm really passionate about people who get into certain positions. Do your job. Do it for the people that you work for. Don't do it for your glory or your um, you know, for any kind of gain.
You're there to serve a purpose. And in her situation, I think it it done it it went above that.
>> Yeah. it it went way above her head and you know unfortunately here we are again.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't I mean she was really good. She was very friendly to everybody and um >> and I think people are now kicking themselves in the buffer.
>> Yeah. I I get I get how I mean she comes across if you didn't know her and she didn't you'd be like oh she's you know this you know kind of bubbly lady you know and and if she just stuck to doing her job all everything would have been fine. But obviously, um, that's not what happened. Um, obviously here we're looking, uh, at another trial that's going to be coming up. You're likely going to be called as a witness here.
Um, when when you look at yourself today, um, and then you look back 3 years ago as to who you were on that witness stand, uh, how have you changed? Are you the same witness you were three years ago?
Will you be the same person going into court again when when this next trial comes up if you're called?
>> My story is not going to change. No, >> I said what I said and I and I I meant what I said.
>> No.
>> Um, you know, regardless, I think I've grown a lot in the in the aspect that I >> I'm very um nitpicky or, you know, I kind of pick and choose. um I can see people sometimes that are don't mean me any good.
>> You know that and and I've made some really good um I've also met some really good people that have helped me along the way to that are in the business that have guided me along um to help me so that I don't stumble and I'm very appreciative of that. Um because when you I never asked to be put in this position. No. No.
>> Um I I was not expecting the I was not expecting all of this um from simply testifying. I had no idea what I was going to be asked. I had I mean >> Yeah.
>> They had questioned me, you know, and I had no idea and and I had no They told me 15 minutes on the stand that was the most I was going to be on there and then you're on your way, you know, you can go live your life. You know, you know how they put it.
Um, and when it started going on and on and on and then the jury going in and out and, you know, people throwing papers across the floor and all that, >> I I I I didn't know what to expect.
>> Sure.
>> You know, other than I came home and I'm telling you, I well, I went to Walmart thinking me that I can pick up the groceries real quick and then head on home. Everybody's probably at work, so they're not watching me. I forgot that people watched the thing on the on their phone.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, >> yeah.
>> But, um, it's it's been a a roller coaster of emotions, but I think this time around, and my my story is not going to change.
>> Sure. I know what I said and and I know what I saw within that house. I saw them. I I saw them for who they were and how they interacted, the type of family that they were.
>> There's more to come with Blanca Simpson. Be sure to press subscribe wherever you're watching or listening so you don't miss any of it. Coming up next, what the jury never heard and what they need to hear in the Alec Murdoch trial round two. That's coming up with Blanca Simpson next. Be sure to press subscribe so you don't miss that piece of the conversation. Links are in the description for you to weigh in with your thoughts as well. Until next time, I'm Tony Bruski. We'll talk again real soon.
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