Interrogation Of Killer (Kaitlyn Coones) Disapproval Leads to Murder. Ohio (2023). Improved Audio.

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[00:00:25]That's in there.

[00:00:30]All right. I like you, Aaron.

[00:00:32]This is a much nicer than TV. Is it now?

[00:00:35][laughter] Yeah, it is. I've been there. It is a little nicer.

[00:00:41]So, I'm Aaron Kennedy and I'm the prosecutor on this case. Um my understanding is you want to speak with us today. Is that correct?

[00:00:48]Okay. You waived your right to remain silent. You're here with your attorney.

[00:00:51]Correct.

[00:00:52]And you read this uh proper statement.

[00:00:55]Yes, I have. Okay. Do you understand what's contained therein? Mhm. Okay. So, if any part of what is not truthful is said here today, we can completely disregard this agreement.

[00:01:05]Okay. And we can also subject you to a polygraph test. Do you understand that?

[00:01:09]Mhm. Okay. And you still want to speak with us. Mhm. Okay. So, this is really this is for you. This is your chance to help yourself, right? Mhm. Tell your side of the story. You know, you've already made statements before.

[00:01:21]So, >> [clears throat] >> what I want you to do is just start.

[00:01:26]Tell it from the beginning to the end.

[00:01:28]Don't leave anything out. And I expect you to be truthful. I don't want to be pulling things out of you. This is your chance to help you, okay?

[00:01:36]You must You must speak loud enough because Yep. This is being recorded.

[00:01:43]So, I'm probably going to let Detective Albright take the lead on this. I'll have some specific things, but like I said, just I want to hear what happened.

[00:01:51]I want you to be truthful and I've got some specific things I'll come back with, okay?

[00:01:57]We've met before I'm Detective Aubrey and uh I want to kind of look at I'm going to I'm going to follow the timeline of what we know happened in all this, okay?

[00:02:12]And some of this has been found through, you know, physical evidence investigation and by your own admissions.

[00:02:22]So, we'll kind of keep it to this for the major outline and then if there are any details you want to add or any specific things we want to know about, we'll work that out. So, um Jonathan Jones see, what relationship did you have with Jonathan?

[00:02:44]I would um I don't know what to say about that type relationship. I would say like at first like it was just a friend then boyfriend but then like just a manipulator. Like he just abused me and stuff like that.

[00:02:59]So, I don't know what you would call that.

[00:03:02]Okay.

[00:03:04]In what way did he abuse you or manipulate you?

[00:03:07]>> He raped me multiple times and stuff.

[00:03:09]Like that.

[00:03:11]Okay.

[00:03:13]Did you ever have a consensual relationship with him? For a minute, yes, we did. Okay.

[00:03:21]Would you define a minute? What do you mean by a minute?

[00:03:24]Like So, like the to the two months I was with him for three months back whenever before he caught the case that he caught us with the kidnapping and sex crimes against me for the two months I it was consensual but then after a while he wouldn't let me leave. Like he would threaten to kill himself and stuff like that. So, I stayed with him but he would rape me and stuff whenever I would be asleep.

[00:03:47]And then before this all the case that started just now or whatever before, you know, whatever hap- uh what happened or whatever um I was with him or whatever, but I specifically like told him before everything happened that like I did not want to be at the house unless she knew that I was at the house. Because prior to it happening Woah, woah, slow down. Okay.

[00:04:11]Sorry, that was a little bit too much.

[00:04:13]>> No, no, no, no, no, I know how you're I've been with you enough to know I need to want you to back up. Let's talk about what happened down in Wood County. Okay.

[00:04:21]All right. When when he got the charge specifically related to you, which led to his troubles with Wood County Court.

[00:04:30]So, basically his mom kicked us out of the house or whatever after finding out that the food was going on in her house and he did the same thing that he did to me.

[00:04:40]He was basically like, "Well, kill me.

[00:04:42]Just kill me." Then, you know, he just ended up leaving her at the house I mean, leaving her at the house and we left.

[00:04:47]And that's when we started living in the streets, you know, we went and stayed at his friend's house. And then that's >> Who's the Who's the friend?

[00:04:53]>> I don't know the friend's name.

[00:04:54]>> Where did he live? Like I It was like a like a like a I feel like it's in a part of me cuz it's like this was this side of the his friend's and then this was somebody else's and then it was like a a garage like there was a car here or whatever.

[00:05:07]>> Was this in Bowling Green? What's this?

[00:05:09]No, it was here in Pennsylvania or whatever. I just don't know exactly where we're at.

[00:05:14]But, um while that happened or whatever, like he was taking pictures of me and um at first like I was into it like I you know, I was in voluntarily like it was consensual at first, but then it turned into unconsensual or whatever.

[00:05:28]Like he was just going a little bit too far with it by raping me and then hitting me and all like spanking all types of craziness or whatever.

[00:05:37]But, how the case got started or whatever is we were walking um we I got overly intoxicated at a motel or whatever and we were walking and like I was just sluggish. I didn't know what was happening.

[00:05:52]And the officer like they asked me and stuff and then like I couldn't even tell I couldn't even speak to them. Like truthfully, I didn't know what was happening. Where was this? It was like a truck lane. I don't know where it was at, but it was like a hotel or a hotel and then there was like a truck lane and there was like a gas station and we were we came back from the gas station, but we were walking in the truck lane. Or whatever, they pulled us over because we were in the truck lane and they thought that, you know, I was trying to prostitute right there in the truck lane, but I wasn't prostituting in the truck lane.

[00:06:24]And they took me and they took him and he had a gun on him. He had marijuana on him and they charged him with kidnapping and sex crimes because prior to that I got taken from the Emily's program where I was in there for my eating disorder.

[00:06:37]So, that's how that whole case got started.

[00:06:40]For that.

[00:06:41]Okay, so this was back in 2022? October 2022.

[00:06:47]>> Yeah. So, you guys get stopped is that a truck stop somewhere in Wood County down south of here?

[00:06:55]>> Yeah, I guess. Okay.

[00:06:56]>> know exactly where it was at. Um so, the officer encounters you guys at the truck stop cuz a lot of things go on at those places and I I've seen the report and somehow someway the officer ends up finding pictures of you either on his phone or your phone, something of that nature. Is that correct?

[00:07:18]>> Yeah, he like he had pictures of me. He has a whole bunch of pictures of me. And then not on top of that then he has pictures of like that I've sent him or whatever back whenever we very first met. Okay.

[00:07:30]So, based upon that he gets charged in Wood County, ultimately gets convicted of those crimes related to that incident. Then he the judge lets him out uh waiting on his sentencing, okay? Right.

[00:07:48]>> Now, let's fast forward and we get to um 2023.

[00:07:56]Okay?

[00:07:57]And then around April, um well prior to April, you'd been in the hospital, correct?

[00:08:05]Out in Canton?

[00:08:07]Yeah, the Auto Accident Uh I was in Cleveland.

[00:08:10]>> Cleveland, and okay.

[00:08:12]>> I had my car accident where I had a traumatic brain brain injury or whatever and um I got out of the hospital and um I was staying at this group home.

[00:08:26]How Wait, how long were you in the hospital? Like 2 months.

[00:08:29]>> Okay. And did you Why were you there so long?

[00:08:35]I don't even know why I was there for so long. I think it's because my case worker was wait like trying to find me a treatment uh for treatment facility or like somewhere for me to go basically like placement because like I have so many issues. Like I have my self-harming, my depression, and then my anger, my aggression problems. So so you would say that you've had a lot of issues. You're probably well known in Canton, Stark County because of all those issues, right?

[00:09:03]>> Yeah, I have a bad bad running away issues.

[00:09:05]>> And then so they were having some issues finding a place for you to to go, correct?

[00:09:10]>> Right. Okay. [clears throat] So, they at some point were you in the hospital to become friends with someone?

[00:09:19]A nurse? No, I did not become friends with no nurse. No?

[00:09:23]>> No. And then you conversed with >> There was a What was her name?

[00:09:30]I don't even remember the person's name.

[00:09:32]I know there's somebody like there was a lot of like sitters and stuff that like talked to you and stuff, but >> This This particular person um She called you Kit Kat.

[00:09:45]Remember who that is? No, I don't remember.

[00:09:49]Uh Rebecca Callahan? No, I don't remember who that is. Okay, cuz you exchanged many texts with her and told her about some of the things that you were involved in.

[00:10:06]And ultimately that information came to us and then this whole thing transpired and here we are. Kayla, do you want to remember telling her I killed someone?

[00:10:21]No, I don't remember ever saying that. I never had my phones whenever I was with Jonathan, so I don't We I talked about this with multiple people from my like with that's involved in my case because they showed me the messages, but like I got my phones back whenever I came back from Mexico, so I don't know what happened with my what was going on with that.

[00:10:41]You didn't have your phones the entire time you were with Jonathan.

[00:10:45]Okay.

[00:10:46]All right, well, I'm going to let you keep going.

[00:10:49]Uh Okay. I I mean I I did have my phones, but I didn't have my phones if that makes sense. No, explain it.

[00:10:57]So like whenever I was on the run with Jonathan or whatever like my whole like my whole mind, right?

[00:11:05]I like totally like I don't remember anything that happened. I don't remember anything that happened. I all I remember is like waking up multiple times, going right back down, waking up multiple times, going right back down. There is point in times where I do remember being on my phone, but I don't specifically remember ever texting the way, but most of the time though Jonathan had my phones. He was doing black internet web stuff, looking up maps to Mexico, and all that type stuff, so I never paid attention to him with that because I didn't mess with him. I thought that he was dangerous.

[00:11:35]So, that's what I'm saying.

[00:11:37]Okay.

[00:11:38]So, you are at this group home now. After you get out of the hospital, they put you in this group home in Camden area, right?

[00:11:49]And at some point, you leave there.

[00:11:53]Right. And make your way to Sylvania, to Jonathan's house. Is that correct?

[00:11:59]>> Right. Okay. How did you get to Jonathan?

[00:12:04]So, he arranged for me he was I guess this is what I figured out. So, he basically I guess he was sending pictures of me that he already had from all the way back from Wood County Haze or whatever. He was sending a whole bunch of like they know that inappropriate pictures or whatever to this person and you know, was saying like, "Oh, she will do stuff for you you know, get a get a ride down here or whatever." But, I didn't know that. So, whenever I got contacted with the person, I'm like, "Well, I'm at the time 17 or whatever." I was like, "And I'm not really trying to do that stuff or whatever." I'm like, "Can I just get a free ride without having to do anything or whatever?" So, the person comes and like halfway through the ride or whatever, we had to end up doing stuff, because that's what Jonathan I guess promised him or whatever. And that's when I ended up getting It was like Shawn's Tavern or something like that.

[00:12:51]That's where the car ended up at with Shawn's Tavern.

[00:12:55]And after I got out of the car, I went into Shawn's Tavern. Well, before we went in there, we hugged and stuff. We were like, "I miss you." and stuff. And after that, we went into Shawn's Tavern and we sat down and we were just talking about everything that happened, like him being locked up and what happened with me. You know, I showed him my scar and stuff and told him that I was in a car accident again or whatever. Just basically repeating everything. And then after that, that's when, you know, he was like, "Well, we have to stay out or whatever until my mom goes to sleep."

[00:13:24]And I'm like, "That's weird. I'm not about to stay out until your mom goes to sleep, but mind you, we started smoking, drinking, or whatever, and I'm He He didn't He So, basically, he had alcohol already on him, and then weed already on him, but we started smoking and drinking or whatever, and we're just walking around going places. We went to this one abandoned house that they were like redoing that was near the house or whatever, and he tried to mess with me. I was like, "No." and stuff, and like I kept telling him I was like, "I'm not going to do that. I'm not I'm not going to that house. I'm not going to the house. Like, she If she don't know that I'm there, then I don't feel comfortable. I'm already on the run. That makes me feel paranoid that I have to go into her house and her not know that I'm there."

[00:14:05]And so, then at some point, I guess, that we ended up at the house or whatever, [clears throat] and next thing I know is that I wake up.

[00:14:13]All right. How'd you get in the house? I don't remember.

[00:14:17]Okay.

[00:14:18]Where were you staying while you were in the house?

[00:14:21]In his room. It's like It's like this is the door right here, then right here, then right The bathroom's right here. The The door is right there. That's his room. Okay.

[00:14:31]And then like whenever I was staying in his room though, like he like when I woke up or whatever, he blocked it off or whatever, but I guess you you're asking me more questions, but that's when I woke up, and I'm like What do you mean by blocked it off?

[00:14:46]>> Like he had like his dresser not dresser, but like the tent like the tent He had tent poles in there. So, like back whenever I was living with him, he kept his clothes and stuff into the oil up there in that oil thing.

[00:14:56]The bend things He had the bend things back up against the door or whatever, and like that's how it was when I woke up, and I was just like And then like he was right there, and I'm like And I told him I was like, "What's happening?" He's talking about, you know, whisper whisper. No, I'm not whispering. What's happening?" You know what I mean? And so, I text on my phone.

[00:15:15]I'm like, "You're going to tell her that I'm in the I'm here or whatever." I was like, "I'm going to give you 5 hours to to her that I'm here, or else I'm leaving. I have other guys that would happily take me. And then, that's when I went back to sleep, and not sleep, like I laid down or whatever. I don't want to mess up my words. I was going back to sleep, and then like 30 minutes to like an hour, that's when I hear, "Babe, babe, babe." And I'm like like I don't even know if I should get up. It's like that gut feeling, like you just know something went wrong. So, I like slowly like get up, and I like walk out of the room, and then I walk this way. I'm like looking everywhere, and I walk in, and I look this way, and there she is on the ground. There's a rock by him.

[00:15:57]>> Who's she?

[00:15:59]You said who's she? Yeah.

[00:16:01]Nicole, his mother, okay. Go ahead.

[00:16:04]There she is on the ground. He has his hands on her neck, and he's telling he's asking me to help him. He's like, "Babe, can you please help me?" And I'm like, "No."

[00:16:11]And then, that's when I went to the couch, and I laid down.

[00:16:15]And then, then he I didn't even know what to do with myself. I literally kept saying, "This can't be happening. This can't be happening." Then the next thing I know, he picks up the rock, and starts banging her head more, and I'm like, "No, this can't be happening. This can't be happening." And then after that or whatever, after that happened, he told me that he had to go to the store.

[00:16:46]>> [laughter] >> I went with him.

[00:16:49]I went to the store. He got cleaning supplies and a whole bunch of stuff.

[00:16:54]And he went but we went back to the house or whatever, and then after that happened, he cleaned up the mess on the ground.

[00:17:02]He moved her body into the he like tur- turned her over or whatever, and then after that happened, he ended up packing up everything.

[00:17:16]He moved the body into the car.

[00:17:18]I helped him carry the body to the car.

[00:17:21]And then after that happened he drove.

[00:17:27]And then he ended up cutting off his ankle monitor. Oh, no, no, no, no.

[00:17:32]I guess he had it on. I thought he cut it off before, but he drove to this apartment place and he got out of the car. I got out of the car.

[00:17:41]And mind you, it didn't the body didn't feel the same the time that I felt whenever I was at the garbage can or whatever before. It was like it was it had heavy then it was heavy soon as we got to the apartment place.

[00:17:57]And then after that I helped him carry the body and dumped it in the dumpster. And then after that he cut his ankle monitor off and then he fled basically. That's what happened.

[00:18:10]When you saw him uh in the kitchen with his hands around her neck. It was a kitchen, right? Right.

[00:18:21]Okay.

[00:18:22]Where at? I mean, it's a fairly good size kitchen.

[00:18:26]Where specifically? This is the fridge.

[00:18:29]And this is this.

[00:18:31]The body's right here. There's blood all around the head part and there's even like brain matter over here. And he's standing over here with his hands right here and the rock is literally like just like right there with blood on the top of it.

[00:18:44]And I'm all the way over here.

[00:18:48]Huh, so he was calling your name while he was strangling her, his hands around her neck?

[00:18:57]How long did that go on? How long would you estimate that that was going on?

[00:19:01]I don't know. I really don't know. I was panicking.

[00:19:05]But I do know that like before though, before I walked in that he was banging her head with a rock or whatever, because >> [snorts] >> and was stuff all over the ground.

[00:19:17]And there's blood on the rock.

[00:19:21]Okay.

[00:19:23]Let me give you a little piece of information.

[00:19:27]So, that GPS that he had on him, okay?

[00:19:32]We have those records that tells us where he was at, when and for how long, okay?

[00:19:40]You were obviously with him.

[00:19:43]So, after the killing, okay?

[00:19:49]You mentioned that you guys went and got cleaning supplies, right? Right.

[00:19:54]Okay.

[00:19:55]Did you put the body in the in the car first before you went and got the cleaning supplies, or did you leave the body there and go get the >> Body there. You went and got the supplies. Where'd you go?

[00:20:06]It's It was a It Target or something.

[00:20:08]No, it was I don't know. I don't All I remember is checking stuff out. I don't remember what store we went to or And did you both go in the store?

[00:20:20]Yeah, we both went into the store.

[00:20:21]>> Okay.

[00:20:22]You got the items.

[00:20:24]You came back out.

[00:20:26]Where'd you go from there?

[00:20:28]Back to the house?

[00:20:30]Okay. I'm pretty sure we went back I don't I don't remember anything. I Like for real for real, like I really don't remember the stuff word for word not word for word, but detail for detail, but I know at some point the stuff was bought and I know at some point he was cleaning it up and I remember at some point we went to the car apartment place and I know at some point he was packing up the stuff. That's what I know.

[00:20:52]What happened to all the cleaning supplies? He throws it all away.

[00:20:57]And And where? Where did Where'd they get thrown?

[00:20:59]>> bag that he bought from the store. Okay.

[00:21:02]And so it was put in the trash bag. What did you do with the trash bag?

[00:21:07]>> He set out for trash day cuz he said it was trash day.

[00:21:10]The next day? Mhm. He said that being cuz he lived there or whatever, he said that the trash day was going to be the next day, so he was left it out. Yeah, it was written right on the refrigerator.

[00:21:22]That the trash day is the next day.

[00:21:24]Yeah.

[00:21:25]Um so the the body itself, you guys So after the clean up, you guys put the body where?

[00:21:34]How?

[00:21:35]We put the body in the back seat of the car.

[00:21:37]>> The back seat or the trunk area? Like he he laid on the seats or whatever, and the body was like right there. Okay. Cuz it's like a hatchback type car, right?

[00:21:47]And then okay.

[00:21:48]>> her car, her van. All right. So um did you just throw her back there or No, he was like scooter. Scooter, okay, but what what was she in? He wrapped her up in a tarp or whatever. It was like both tarps or whatever. He tried to do it with a trash bag at first, but it didn't work, so he did it with a tarp. Okay. So the tarp, so tarp the body up.

[00:22:14]Put the body in the trunk.

[00:22:17]Throw the items away, the cleaning supplies and whatnot.

[00:22:20]What happens then?

[00:22:22]Where do you go from there?

[00:22:24]After he puts in the car, then he drives. I don't know where how long or where to, but I know I know like I'm trying to give you I just know at some point he drives to the apartment place and he jumps out, opens up the the garbage thing, and that's when he gets the body.

[00:22:42]I go back outside cuz he's like, "Babe."

[00:22:45]I help him do it all over again. So you help put the body in the trash or whatever it was?

[00:22:50]>> Yes. Okay.

[00:22:53]Well, So I see here that uh it looks like after the cleanup and putting the body in the trunk, you guys went to Shawn, back to Shawn's.

[00:23:10]Did you guys go to Shawn's? I don't remember that. Well, you did because I can see it right here.

[00:23:15]So, you bought the supplies, uh you you were at Lowe's. Now, mind you, let me just tell you this, it's all on video.

[00:23:24]I have receipts for all this, okay? So, the items that were purchased and the body was wrapped up in these items, um and then at 6:00 That was at 5:20 that you guys left Lowe's.

[00:23:41]You went back to the house, bringing the victim.

[00:23:44]And then by 6:36 p.m.

[00:23:49]you are back at Shawn's Irish Tavern.

[00:23:52]Okay?

[00:23:53]So, at that point the body's in the trunk because later on it's not till 12:17 a.m.

[00:24:11]that the car goes to where the body was disposed of in the dumpster.

[00:24:15]>> I don't remember. I'm telling you I don't remember.

[00:24:17]>> You don't remember, but I'm I'm telling you, okay, that's what happened.

[00:24:21]So, you're distraught that you just saw this killing, okay? Well, I didn't walk in on it, but yeah. Okay. You saw this.

[00:24:34]You're shocked at this whole thing, right? Things are fuzzy.

[00:24:39]But you go to Shawn's. I don't remember Shawn's stuff. That's the thing I don't like I really don't remember. All I remember is like the big [ __ ] that happened cuz the other stuff Well, that that's why we're trying to figure this out together, okay? So, I'm just telling you and and I'm filling in these spots and maybe it'll click something in your head, okay? So, from there you guys go to the apartment complex and put the body in the dumpster.

[00:25:07]Okay?

[00:25:09]And from the dumpster you guys go to the Waffle House to get a little snack.

[00:25:18]Right?

[00:25:19]I don't remember that I got video of you doing that, too, okay?

[00:25:23]>> one remember that's one trip.

[00:25:25]Then from 12:29 to 1:04 a.m.

[00:25:31]you go back to the house.

[00:25:33]You're there for a little while.

[00:25:36]And I think it Then you later on, you guys that next afternoon at 12:49 p.m. you leave and go to McDonald's.

[00:25:49]Then you go to Walmart, purchase some supplies, and then you go to uh Let's see, Meijer, and then back to the house.

[00:25:59]Back to Walmart on Glendale, Home Depot on Airport Highway, Meijer on Airport >> left the same day or Then you guys uh took her debit card and went to the bank. Several banks, as a matter of fact.

[00:26:13]And used her That's also another thing you said that that he was happy that he got his car money now or whatever because she was complaining about how he wasn't even paying for the house and stuff, and that she don't even have the money for him to be even living with her. I know that's something that he commented about before.

[00:26:30]But, I don't know why he kept pulling money. I know at at some point, I know that he was pawning off her stuff or whatever so that he could get money to go out to Mexico. Yeah, we have all that, too.

[00:26:41]We have all that stuff. We found all that, so we have it. Um and again, I'm going to I'm going to You might hear me say this multiple times, but this is all on video. I know.

[00:26:52]Or there's receipts to show where you're at.

[00:26:55]And everybody handles traumatic situations a little differently. I know. I felt like I was living a lifetime of you like I literally I felt like I was living a movie. I literally felt like this was just how I felt the situation with me and Jonathan did was I really just thought that it was up there I love like I really thought that. You know, Harley Quinn or like you know, Bonnie and Clyde type stuff or whatever.

[00:27:19]Like I really thought that like you know, like I was just his like partner in crime but I wasn't doing the crime like I was just there for him like cuz I loved him or whatever and I didn't want to leave him but I was also scared to leave him even though I loved him like it's crazy cuz I really did throughout being with him or whatever try to leave him or whatever but that's when he was started being more strict or with my phones and stuff. That's the reason why I didn't even try to attempt to leave or whatever. He did hand me the gun and stuff. He handed me the knives and was like kill me right here right now but I didn't do that cuz I'm not capable of that. I know I'm not capable of that. I don't want to hurt somebody like that.

[00:27:56]You still love him?

[00:27:59]Yeah.

[00:28:00]You still going to do what he says?

[00:28:04]Like right here right now?

[00:28:06]I want to see the footprints so badly.

[00:28:12]He's literally precious to have.

[00:28:17]Really, what about Mr. Sorter?

[00:28:20]Up in Monroe, Michigan. Who?

[00:28:23]Mr. Sorter.

[00:28:25]Sorter?

[00:28:27]I forget what it is. There's two of them. Kevin maybe?

[00:28:30]I don't I can't remember. Couple guys.

[00:28:32]But according According to that, you love him. Who?

[00:28:37]Sorter. You've been talking with him from the jail.

[00:28:40]We got you on you're on audio telling him how much you love him and you want to do this, that, and the other to him.

[00:28:47]Very graphic. Wouldn't you?

[00:28:49]Oh. Who?

[00:28:52]Are you talking about uh I don't know who you're talking about.

[00:28:56]I I I've talked to one person meeting in this jail or whatever. I talked to him when I very first came here or whatever cuz someone hooked me up with him, but it's still not I told him that I still have feelings for Jonathan though. It's the same thing.

[00:29:09]>> [snorts] >> I told him we're never going to be the same after this. I tell my parents that too all the time. Does Jonathan know about him? No. Jonathan knows that my family I have support or whatever, but he don't know about anybody else.

[00:29:23]What would he What would he say if we if he heard those calls? What would he What would he say about that situation?

[00:29:30]That I have a history of cheating.

[00:29:35]It doesn't mean that I don't love him though. He knows that. I've told him that. Being high or whatever, I told him I was like I remember this when I was very high and then I was like I told him I was like I was cheating on you when we very first met or whatever, but I told him I was like it didn't matter though because I love you.

[00:29:52]>> [snorts] >> He knows. [clears throat] It's just he If he finds out, he's going to be pissed.

[00:29:59]Cuz I don't know.

[00:30:02]I just know he would be pissed off if he found out. So >> I love him though. Though I really do love him. Like I really do want to take the fall for him.

[00:30:09]I got to Well, well, well, one second.

[00:30:11]We don't want anybody take the fall for anybody.

[00:30:14]Okay? We just want the truth.

[00:30:16]And the truth is that uh it >> died, I know. Someone that should have Let me Let me finish. In these other In these other interviews, okay, that you had with the FBI agents down in El Paso and all this stuff that you were very specific about what happened.

[00:30:36]All right? He was He was nowhere around.

[00:30:38]You're sitting in the room with two FBI agents in a locked facility.

[00:30:43]So, he he poses no threat to you. So, you go into a story with exclusive detail. Oh, stop stop. How you gave him a specific period of time to get rid of his mother, to kill his mother cuz she was in the way keeping you guys from being together. And then he did not complete that act. So, you gave him another hour. You went and staged this brick or block, whatever it was, and you waited for her in the kitchen to be bent over in the refrigerator. You took the rock, bashed her head in, and strangled her, okay?

[00:31:20]And based upon your very explicit words, we got a search warrant, went to the house, and the physical evidence in that place is exactly like you said.

[00:31:34]Exactly like you said.

[00:31:37]So, someone who's all traumatic and not grasping the full situation is not going to be that explicitly detailed. See, I And here's the other thing, okay? You're You're trying to tell us that you're the victim in all this.

[00:31:55]>> No, I'm not trying to take the victim. I tried to tell you how she died. I tried to tell you what I did, but you're not listening.

[00:32:01]>> [laughter] >> Okay, we know how she died. No. I'm trying to give her the full justice she deserves. I understand I'm guilty. I understand I'm guilty for her body. I'm for taking the fall for him. I'm guilty for dumping her body. I understand it, but I'm really trying to tell you HOW IT IS.

[00:32:16]OH, MY GOD.

[00:32:17]>> [laughter and gasps] >> IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT DOESN'T MATTER CUZ YOU'RE NOT going to listen. You really think I'm the one that did it. I understand it from my statements, but me and him talked about it back and forth.

[00:32:29]I talked to him about I was going to I promised him I was going to take the blame because I loved him. Okay. I told him >> [laughter] >> And here's the other thing. So, you you go You guys go to Tempe, Arizona, okay?

[00:32:44]A A man standing on the street corner is shot.

[00:32:49]Okay?

[00:32:50]Who shot that man? I don't know. I don't know what that happened. Okay. Well, it's funny because that's another thing that you said that you did. You did a drive-by shooting.

[00:33:01]And you shot this guy standing on the street corner. You think he's dead.

[00:33:05]That's what you told someone, okay? So, you're very explicit about that. And then, you were taking your socks and soaking them in lighter fluid, setting them on fire, and throwing them out the window trying to start a fire.

[00:33:19]Okay? So, what gets me is in the past, you've been so specific about all these things that have happened. Now, all of the sudden, it switches from I did this, I did this, I did this to Jonathan did this, this, and this. Okay? I did dump the body. I told you guys that, but I didn't kill her.

[00:33:39]Then why Why would you say Okay, let me ask you this. Why Who's Michael Smith?

[00:33:47]>> [gasps and laughter] >> He's my traveling buddy.

[00:33:49]He's your traveler, okay?

[00:33:52]So, he lives in the Canton area, right?

[00:33:54]Yeah. Okay.

[00:33:55]>> [laughter] >> Did you exchange some text messages with with Michael Smith >> [clears throat] >> telling him that you guys had killed Jonathan's mother?

[00:34:12]You got to remember something. Yes, I did say that.

[00:34:15]>> You did? Okay. And what were you trying to do? What were you trying to accomplish by telling I was trying to get help with something. I was trying to let them know >> [laughter] >> that I love Michael.

[00:34:29]So, Michael, you reached out to him in your words in these messages, you were wanting to join a drug cartel, right?

[00:34:39]That's what we were talking about with him, yeah. But, I put that in the message.

[00:34:43]>> And then, so you you put in the message you're going back and forth with this guy, and he explains to you that hey, you got If you're going to join a drug cartel, cuz apparently he had the connections to put you in contact with the drug cartel.

[00:34:56]So, he explained to you that you have to be able to kill people. And he asked you, "Have you ever killed anyone?" You said, "Yes." And he said, "Who?"

[00:35:06]And he said, "Who?" And you said, "Oh, me and my boyfriend killed this his mom, and so on and so forth." And he asked you specifics about names and so on and so forth. I can show you the conversation if you like. No, I don't He didn't say that.

[00:35:20]>> Okay.

[00:35:21]And let me tell you something about You know how this came into our possession?

[00:35:26]You want me to tell you?

[00:35:28]Uh Mr. Smith is an informant.

[00:35:32]I don't know what he told me.

[00:35:33]>> For the Marshals. So, the whole time this is going on and he's having this conversation with you, he's actually giving that information directly to law enforcement.

[00:35:46]So, and and I'm looking at this message and it didn't sound like some somebody who's an innocent victim that was thrust in the middle of the situation.

[00:35:55]>> [laughter] [crying] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yes, you can.

[00:36:15]>> [laughter] >> You can't clean that up, Abby. Abby is a >> [laughter] [crying] [gasps and laughter] [crying] >> Can you take a real deep breath for me?

[00:36:57]>> [snorts] [laughter] >> Hold on. Hold on. Just take a deep breath.

[00:37:04]Want you to take a real deep breath for me, okay? They don't understand I didn't do it. Stop. Stop.

[00:37:11]>> [laughter] [clears throat] >> Here we go. Thanks. Appreciate it. Yep.

[00:37:15]Here you go.

[00:37:16]Take your plane to work.

[00:37:20]Get it all out.

[00:37:23]Get it all out of your blood.

[00:37:35]Couple more.

[00:37:45]Remember when I told you they know more than what you think they know?

[00:37:50]Okay, so here's the most important thing. Listen.

[00:37:55]Listen to me about this one. You keep jumping back to they're not believing me that I didn't do that I didn't kill her.

[00:38:02]Okay?

[00:38:06]Now, wait a minute. Hold on. No, hold on.

[00:38:09]What's important is you tell them the truth about everything else. Everything.

[00:38:14]Tell them the truth about everything.

[00:38:16]Who this might be.

[00:38:19]Right. Well, I mean I mean he had So so listen to You keep You keep jumping back to they don't believe me. They don't have to believe you. They want to They have certain things. What they're doing is is quite simply asking a question about Mr. Smith. And they want to see if you're going to answer consistent with what they already know that Mr. Smith has already told them. All right? Given the the text messages. All right? Okay. So, you got to tell them everything about Mr. Smith.

[00:38:47]Whatever you texted him, that's fine. It is what it is. Okay?

[00:38:53]The most important thing at this point is for you to be believable.

[00:38:57]Okay?

[00:38:58]And remember about the ankle monitor?

[00:39:02]He's telling you where you you went because his ankle monitor was on all that time. He I remember, but I don't remember. That's the thing. Like, I can I know the places, but I don't remember what we were exactly doing.

[00:39:12]>> That's fine. That's fine. You remember the places. You went here, you went there, and there. Whatever was sent by Whatever text message was sent to to to your trafficker.

[00:39:22]Just tell them what you said. Okay? Be can Be truthful.

[00:39:27]It's not going to hurt you in one way or the other. Okay? What matters at this point, as I said, we're trying to work the best we can with with a bad with a bad hand. Okay?

[00:39:41]And the And And the thing about it is they want truthful statements from you.

[00:39:46]So, whatever you texted to Mr. Smith, be truthful about it. Whatever you said, you said. Whatever you texted, you texted. Okay? Okay. Don't try to hide anything at this point. That doesn't help you at all.

[00:39:58]Okay?

[00:40:01]I know there's something wrong with me.

[00:40:05]Yeah.

[00:40:06]I It's scary.

[00:40:09]>> [laughter] >> Okay.

[00:40:14]What would you say is When you say it's scary? [clears throat] What's Like Like I said this thing I I did text the people and I was trying to do the Bonnie and Clyde because of Jonathan and because he put it in me in the He put me in the bind that that's what life is about. Like he told me that we could be his Bonnie and Clyde. That's basically why I keep referencing them because Bonnie So so aren't you going to slow down?

[00:40:42]Okay?

[00:40:44]And be truthful.

[00:40:46]He's showing you the texts. Did you Did you text this guy? What did you say?

[00:40:51]What did you text? Okay? Just tell me the truth. It's not going to hurt you one way or the other at this point.

[00:40:56]Okay?

[00:40:58]Like I said, we're in the worst case scenario there is is that you already I want to go home.

[00:41:04]It's the only way that it's hurting me so bad.

[00:41:09]What's What's What's hurting you? Being locked in this happened.

[00:41:12]Being locked up because somebody told me this lie that it wasn't me, but I thought I could do >> [laughter] >> this. It hurts.

[00:41:21]It hurts. It really hurts. I want to go home.

[00:41:24]Wait. What hurts you?

[00:41:25]>> [laughter] [gasps] >> Being locked up. Yeah.

[00:41:32]Well, you know that's not going to change for you, right?

[00:41:36]All right.

[00:41:37]I can end this.

[00:41:38]I mean I said what you said. I know.

[00:41:41]It's not going to end. Well, I I mean the scenario you don't want me to, but I mean you haven't said anything different than what you already told the FBI in the original one. Okay?

[00:41:52]So what's important here is if you remember texting Mr. Smith, then tell me, "Yeah, I remember texting >> I still remember texting this girl, too.

[00:42:02]Okay.

[00:42:03]Well, when he asked the question, "Do you Who's Mr. Smith?" "No, no, he's my trafficker." Do you remember saying doing that?

[00:42:09]If you did, "Yeah, I remember doing that.

[00:42:12]I remember saying it.

[00:42:15]Okay?

[00:42:16]This matters is you just tell the truth.

[00:42:20]Like I said, they know a lot more than than what you think they do.

[00:42:25]Okay? So, what they're looking for is are your answers consistent with what they already know?

[00:42:34]That makes sense to you?

[00:42:36]Yeah. Okay, so don't keep falling back to you're not believing me.

[00:42:41]Part of them believing you is if you answer them truthfully about other things, okay?

[00:42:48]Does that make sense? But they keep They turn it back on you and it's like you're like you're innocent, but then I don't care about being a victim. I don't care about being innocent. I'm a [ __ ] survivor.

[00:43:00]>> [laughter] >> I hear you.

[00:43:02]You don't understand. You don't understand at all. Like I really There's really [ __ ] there. Why do you think I would sit up there and then take a plea for something I didn't do? It's because I really did love Johnny. It didn't matter if I said I love you to a thousand people. I could do that all day long. My heart goes out to Johnny.

[00:43:19]I hear you. I understand you're dealing with severe trauma. I got it.

[00:43:25]All right.

[00:43:31]This is really hurting me so bad.

[00:43:38]So, what's what's hurting you so bad?

[00:43:40]It's everything.

[00:43:42]>> [clears throat] >> Okay.

[00:43:45]Yeah, [gasps and snorts] come on in.

[00:43:48]Hey.

[00:43:49]I'm wondering if we've reached the point that Judge Cook was concerned about the Smurfs.

[00:43:55]Come to the seat to be able to have a conversation. And we're pretty much What? I'm not sure. Yeah, what's making you so upset right now? You're feeling like you're not You're not listening to you.

[00:44:08]It's not that I'm not trying to see if I'm being told any lies.

[00:44:12]I'm just trying to tell what I seen it as. That's how I seen it as. I know I'm not right in the head.

[00:44:18]But that's how I seen the situation. I I know he's the one that did it, but I don't remember anything. I don't I know the places you said, I know the people you're talking about, but I don't remember doing it. I don't remember being in the actual position like being there. Like I'm not conscious that I don't remember remember being conscious through it. I know of it. I know what you're talking about, but I don't remember it. Like I don't remember being in that spot, and it hurts me because it's like >> [snorts] >> I'm a survivor. I'm not a victim. I don't like that word. I really it took a lot for me to go through what I did with Jonathan. I know that I say I love you to a lot of people, but I can do that all I want, but my heart goes out to him. I really love him.

[00:44:57]>> [snorts] >> And I think what really happened at the end of the day is that I just came into the mindset that it was okay that she died. That it's okay to kill people and stuff like that when it really gets to you.

[00:45:11]>> [crying] >> I'm listening. I want to hear you out. I feel like you're really frustrated cuz we're not listening to you. I'm trying to hear what you're saying, okay?

[00:45:18]We both are. I want to go.

[00:45:20]I don't want to be here.

[00:45:22]>> [laughter] >> Caitlin, the last thing we want to do is pin something on someone who didn't do do whatever the crime is, okay?

[00:45:42]And that's that's so far from what we want to do, okay? What we we are here to find the truth about situations regardless regardless of what that truth may be.

[00:45:57]At the end of the day, that's all we want, okay?

[00:46:01]And this is your opportunity to say, you know, "Hey, I did this, that, and the other." That This is, you know, a moment of clarity for everyone where you just, you know, everything that you did that was wrong, you lay it out on the table.

[00:46:22]Because that shows that you have accepted responsibility for your own actions, okay? And based upon that, the prosecutor here takes that information and makes recommendations.

[00:46:42]And says, "You know, this person, they messed up, they did these things, but they accepted responsibility for it. And because of that, we're going to offer such and such kind of deal, okay?"

[00:46:55]And that deal may be advantageous to you, okay?

[00:47:00]But if you waste her time and all our time with things that aren't true or aren't totally accurate, then the likelihood of her offering some type of good deal is becomes less, okay? And then we're forced into a situation where we go to court and we paint this picture of what happened, okay? And it's not going to make you look good, okay? So, >> important thing I just wanted to say the proper means everything you say, I mean, they've got Except they you they have a you're in the worst case scenario with that and they already have a confession on tape. What's more important is just telling them the truth about Michael.

[00:47:51]Telling them the truth about how you got from point A to point B.

[00:47:55]What happened? Even if you're even, you know so these things are important because the truthfulness of it all comes into play. Like I said in that there's we talked about the complicity issue, right? So like I said you know you're in for a long haul here, okay?

[00:48:12]What's important now is truthfulness about all things that you can remember.

[00:48:17]And if you can't specifically remember a one thing or another, say I can't remember that but I do remember this.

[00:48:23]You know what I'm saying? I just we're trying to I want We made the decision on this and you really wanted to tell your story, okay? You wanted to be heard.

[00:48:34]But if that means there's no What I don't want you to do is think to minimize anything at all is not going to help you at this point.

[00:48:43][clears throat] Okay?

[00:48:45]Everything else is is where it is.

[00:48:49]Okay? That's what the proffer is all about. If you're honest and open straightforward, we're going to be in a much better spot, okay?

[00:48:59]Who is?

[00:49:01]So I think the last part we were was who Michael is.

[00:49:05]Michael Michael was on my traffic here but I didn't know that was him or whatever. I just knew he had a different It was a different neighbor or whatever that he was under.

[00:49:15]And mind you like I do have a history of cheating so I have a whole bunch of guys on my Facebook or whatever and the guy was offering me a safe place to go. He's like don't tell nobody about it but I told told Jonathan about it.

[00:49:29]And then that's where he asked me to ask the guy about the mafia and stuff like that or whatever. So then I asked the person about the mafia.

[00:49:38]And then I basically said that I killed you I killed killed one person which was Nicole.

[00:49:46]And after I said that and stuff that's where he was asking me how far away I was from the or the store or whatever and Jonathan told me to say that I was like two five minutes away from where I was actually at or whatever so that just in case that he wouldn't get caught or whatever so I said somewhere that was five minutes away from where we were.

[00:50:08]And then after that happened that's when the police picked us up or whatever and then that's when I was in the in the office and I had my I got my phone or whatever.

[00:50:17]And I saw that what you would call it that and Michael was like this is Michael actually he was like you're life in prison you get your life in this is baby I'll come visit you and it's a whole bunch of hateful stuff.

[00:50:36]And he told me to send him a picture of me to send a picture of me crying.

[00:50:48]Um so this kind of ties in with that but um when Nicole was when you guys got rid of her body what was she wearing?

[00:51:08]I don't I don't know I forget I think she I think she was wearing I don't know pants or or she I don't know. What kind of shirt do you recall what her shirt looked like?

[00:51:26]I don't want to say the wrong thing. I think she >> That's fine and and you don't remember you don't remember you don't remember just say so.

[00:51:34]He >> remember.

[00:51:35]Did you take a picture of her body?

[00:51:39]No not that I know of did I?

[00:51:43]I I don't know.

[00:51:45]What's this right here?

[00:51:49]You sent that picture to Michael.

[00:51:52]Is that a picture of Nicole's body cuz it looks like there's She's suffering some type of trauma there. That's what it looks like.

[00:52:01]No, that's not from me. That's from him.

[00:52:03]This is the stuff that I sent.

[00:52:04]>> Okay. Well, what did he send you? What's that a picture of?

[00:52:10]That I don't know. I don't know what that was. I think he was cuz he was saying that he he killed people or whatever from the cartel and the mafia and then that's when he sent somebody that was dead. But it was of a like a dark-skinned girl or whatever. That wasn't Nicole.

[00:52:23]Okay.

[00:52:26]This is so bad. It is bad, but we're trying to do what we can here, right? To get the right result.

[00:52:32]All right.

[00:52:34]I mean, did you feel safe with Jonathan?

[00:52:37]No.

[00:52:39]Well, I loved him, but I can't. And in my head I thought everything was okay.

[00:52:44]Like I really thought it was okay when it really wasn't.

[00:52:47]Who? I mean, here I mean, I'll just show you a couple pictures that you sent.

[00:52:55]>> [clears throat] >> You sent that picture, right?

[00:53:01]And it's kind of It looks like I'm okay in the in the situation.

[00:53:06]Right.

[00:53:08]I mean, you you're obviously the one taking that picture, goofing around, and he's driving. I would I would think at some point you you know, if you did that and you needed help, you would have said, "Hey, call the police. You know, I'm You got two phones at this point. Did you ever think to call the police when he's murdering her, calling out, walking outside, telling somebody? It just appears there's a problem. It looks like what you're saying is incorrect. I threatened him to do it multiple times. I told him I was going to call and turn him in or whatever, but I never did it. I don't know reason never did it. I don't know why. I thought it was okay. I really did. I thought that it was okay. I don't I don't know why I thought it was okay, but I thought it was okay.

[00:53:50]I thought I thought that like that that's normal. I don't know why.

[00:53:55]I thought that was like that's how it's something you I don't know. It's something you really I guess like if they And he did say that he did say that the reason why he killed her was because she wouldn't let me in the house or whatever. And I was like, "Woah."

[00:54:11]You know, in my head I guess I wrapped my head around the idea well I thought that he must really love me if he did that.

[00:54:17]I don't know. All right, so that's my one of the why. You're saying he killed her because she didn't want you in the house? Yes. All right.

[00:54:25]And when do you think he made that plan?

[00:54:28]I don't know. Everybody keeps telling me that he had it already made up, but I don't ever remember him even talking about killing her or none of that.

[00:54:37]Never had a conversation about it?

[00:54:39]Besides from the 5 hours to do something about your mom? No.

[00:54:44]Okay.

[00:54:45]And the rock, you don't know where the rock came from?

[00:54:50]No, I don't remember where the rock came from.

[00:54:54]Do you remember telling the FBI agents that you brought it in from outside?

[00:54:59]I know I said that, but that's not what happened. Okay.

[00:55:03]You're okay. Okay. So, it it it just seems that Okay.

[00:55:16]This this is this this >> [sighs] >> So, basically what happened was I walked into the house or whatever while she was asleep.

[00:55:32]And I went into the room and I went in there passed out, woke up the next morning. It's the same thing. The door was blocked off or whatever.

[00:55:40]And I told him I was like, "I don't want to be here. I don't want her not knowing that I'm here or whatever." And mind you, previous to it happening or whatever, he was talking about that. He was talking about killing his mom or whatever because she wouldn't want us to be together. But I kept dismissing it. I kept dismissing it. And that's what I told you at 5 hours.

[00:55:58]He came back with a rock or whatever from outside.

[00:56:02]Came through the window or whatever. And he was like, "I'm going to go do it." I was like, "No, no, no." And I went back to sleep. Like I just I didn't try to stop him. I was just like, "Okay. Okay."

[00:56:12]And I fell asleep. And then that's when he started yelling my name. And that's when I walked in and but I didn't I I I helped move the body. I I did do that.

[00:56:22]But I didn't kill her. I didn't kill her. No.

[00:56:27]>> [snorts] >> All right. So now you see him coming through the window with the rock.

[00:56:30]Okay.

[00:56:31]Um can you describe its general shape and size? It's like this.

[00:56:36]Okay. He was like practicing here or whatever. And I'm like In the bedroom he was doing that?

[00:56:45]Is that right?

[00:56:46]Okay. And where would you sleep in the bedroom? This is his bed on the floor.

[00:56:52]It's like a mat on the floor. I was sleeping right here. He sleeps right here. And the door is right here. And this is his closet. And then this is the window stuff.

[00:57:01]All right. So you're saying now that you went back to he and then said, "I'm going to go do it." He's got the rock.

[00:57:08]He's practicing. You fall asleep. And you you're going to just block this out. Is that what you're saying?

[00:57:14]Okay. Um but how long until he starts calling your name? 30 to It really was 30 minutes to an hour. Okay.

[00:57:21]And did you hear anything in that time?

[00:57:25]I wouldn't say I heard like I think that I heard a struggle. Like I really did think I heard a struggle.

[00:57:30]Like like a like a like I don't know what type I don't know how it sounds but like I I hear it like I have PTSD where I hear it where it's like Maybe you're breathing okay. Did you but I think when we first started talking I thought you heard loud bangs. Did you Did you hear that or not? No. Okay.

[00:57:49]Did you hear her scream? No, I did not hear her scream.

[00:57:54]No, I didn't hear her scream. Okay.

[00:57:58]And what you're saying now is that you waited till it was over essentially.

[00:58:20]Have you had any conversations with Jonathan since that since you both were put in jail?

[00:58:30]>> [gasps] >> Yeah, he'd been telling us sending me letters or whatever.

[00:58:35]Whenever I was in juvenile hall and then he was giving me letters or whatever to I don't want to disclose how he did it but he was sending me letters and I got them. He kept telling me just to keep them in here keep taking off of him being the mastermind and me being the mastermind and that I'm only going to get 10 years and it's going to be okay and >> [laughter] >> then he loves me and misses me. He can't wait to choke me and teach me right and all this other stuff and and that he said he would kill a whole town for me and it's just terrible. It's terrible. I talked to him on the phone. He told me the same thing.

[00:59:18]He told me don't talk to the prosecutor.

[00:59:20]Don't tell them anything.

[00:59:22]Has he reached you on the phone in the jail?

[00:59:27]Do you know what [snorts] days he calls around?

[00:59:30]No.

[00:59:34]Did you So, you Am I correct in in that he's basically telling you you take the heat for this because you'll be out in in no time.

[00:59:49]You guys have a a story you were supposed to stick to?

[00:59:53]I was just supposed to take it all.

[00:59:56]But the with the rock and the strangling, everything you told like your first statements to people, whether it be on Facebook, text messaging, or in the interview, um you gave a very specific statement. I want to know how you came up with that um statement if you're telling me it was what >> Well, I walked in on him strangling her, so I put that together, then I knew about the rock, I put that together, and then the blood blush, and I was up close and I saw that for myself. The what? The the bloody blush and stuff all over the for the brain matter.

[01:00:27]Okay.

[01:00:28]All right.

[01:00:31]Then you guys fled cuz I mean it it just what you're saying is completely opposite to what we have in the hand regards to cold, hard facts. So, that's why I'm trying to to you know, reconcile this because um what you're saying right now is not what we would have to prove the case, okay? So, I know if I could talk to Jonathan and nobody like is this being like recorded or something or something and I get him in a room and we talk about it or something, I could bring it up and something, he would say it, that's the thing, he would admit to it, but you guys I don't think that's even a there's no possible that's not a never ever going to happen, that's never going to You're never going to get his admission, he's going to blame it on me, and I'm okay with that, sadly. I'm okay with spending my life in prison.

[01:01:19]But did he tell you you had some time to come up with the story, right? Or a plan? Cuz you all fled and you were gone for some time.

[01:01:26]>> never talked about it. That's we never No, I just said I promise you I'll take the fall for you. I promise I love you.

[01:01:31]>> Kayla, you spent how many days with this man and you just said you were >> you I literally told him I was going to take the fall because I love him.

[01:01:39]>> had a big conversation.

[01:01:41]Okay. So, that's where the problem is.

[01:01:43]Your testimony, the statements were helpful to me, but only if it's true.

[01:01:46]And when I there's just things that make no god-given sense, that's where I'm kind of like this is over.

[01:01:53]I mean, I you know, You you don't under- trying to tell you anything.

[01:01:57]>> Well, remember when I said to you, did you and Jonathan ever like as you're driving along [snorts] come up with this idea that >> No, that's the thing. We never And you kept saying to me, no, I just told him from the very beginning.

[01:02:11]So, you just you you So, that Explain that I'd like to know that, too. Explain what was in your mind as you were telling him, I'm going to take the fall.

[01:02:21]Like whatever I was thinking and all this [ __ ] I just think about how it happened and that's why I think that my mind wouldn't let me stay away because I really did think about how it happened and stuff and I I did piece the Like I was trying to tell my my other attorney like when you see somebody stabbed three times and you see a knife on the ground by the body and they're stabbed three times and you're not the killer, you put two and two together, the person was stabbed three times with that knife. That's how I see it as That's how I literally put two and two together. I just I knew the break He hit her in the head the rock or whatever. There was literally stuff on her head whenever I walked in. Blood and stuff on the ground. And then he had her hands his hands on her neck, so I knew that he was strangling her. And then on top of that, I knew exactly what he bought and stuff cuz I was there and I just put it together and I just wanted to make it sound like I did it, too.

[01:03:11]>> me ask you this. What do you think you were getting out of it from Jonathan by said him, just on your own saying it to your saying to them directly I'm going to take the fall. What was in your mind about what were you going to get from Jonathan for that for that statement?

[01:03:28]Like an internal problem I said my love like I don't I've never I've never done anything like that for anybody. I always lied to people and stuff like that but >> [snorts] >> I don't even know it's like I don't know how to explain it like I I promised him because I don't know how to explain it.

[01:03:44]I really don't know how to explain it. I promised him >> [snorts] >> that I would take the fall because I don't know. It's hard for me to make sense but I I said it in the moment though I was like I'm going to take the fall for you. I'm going to take the fall for you because I knew that they they were looking for us cuz I might you I'm the one sitting out the stuff so I knew it was going to happen sooner or later.

[01:04:06]Like I kind of set myself up in a way.

[01:04:08]Like I wanted I wanted to be like um painted as his monster.

[01:04:16]Like I just I don't like myself. I think that's the thing too. I wanted to be painted as a monster cuz that's how I feel. I don't know. It's okay.

[01:04:25]I I can understand that. Okay, but yeah.

[01:04:29]I'm trying to make sense of it.

[01:04:33]>> [clears throat] [snorts] >> You know, one of the things that >> [clears throat] >> I like to do in an investigation is look into the past history of a person to kind of see maybe why they are the way they are as a person. Okay, it helps give me some insight.

[01:04:57]So, there is basically a timeline of your life.

[01:05:06]Okay?

[01:05:08]And some of the horrific things that you have been subjected to, okay?

[01:05:17]No one should have to endure these things that you've endured.

[01:05:24]But we also know that when people are subjected to things like that, that it affects them mentally and causes them to become a certain type of person.

[01:05:40]So, looking at yours, I mean, anyone that looks at that would say, "Well, I can understand why they would hurt somebody else."

[01:05:54]But that's the thing. I don't want to hurt nobody else. I don't ever want that. Like, and the thing is is Jonathan's the only person that's sticking around. He's the only one that's messed up just like how I'm messed up. And when I mean that, I mean like I have a history of saying I'm going to kill myself if someone tries to leave me. I have a history of being aggressive and stuff like that, but his is more [ __ ] up than mine.

[01:06:14]That's the thing, but I love him.

[01:06:16]>> So, here's But here's the thing. So, if we look at his history, he graduates high school, he goes in the military, he's serves his country, comes home, no criminal record to speak of.

[01:06:34]Zero, okay?

[01:06:38]Fairly normal uh formative years, you know, growing up, until he gets with you.

[01:06:47]And then these things start to happen.

[01:06:50]So, it's just hard for me to believe that someone like you who's been through so much, and we can understand why it may might make you prone to doing certain things, how you could be a little bit more um likely to commit a crime of violence than Jonathan.

[01:07:15]Okay, it seems to me that if I were to look at both of your life histories and and say and somebody were to say to me, "Which one do you think is a sociopath or a narcissist or whatever?"

[01:07:29]It's not going to be Jonathan, okay?

[01:07:33]And and I'm sorry that these things have made you this way. I'm not the one that did it. He's the one that did But but it's we we can't allow you to keep manipulating, okay? And that's been >> the one that did it. He's the one that did it. You're not listening. I'm trying to tell you the first thing I did to prove I'm not the one that killed her.

[01:07:52]And all you did was call 1911. Please, just call the police. I'm sorry.

[01:07:54]Everybody was lying. You didn't even see his fingerprints or anything, but no.

[01:08:01]>> [laughter] [laughter] >> He knows the way to talk to me cuz he didn't tell you to. He's the one that did it. Then why am I still here? Why am I still here?

[01:08:27]>> [laughter] >> Why?

[01:08:36]>> [laughter] >> [ __ ] MY LIFE, RIGHT?

[01:08:46]I HATE JONATHAN.

[01:08:48]I HATE sociopaths >> [screaming] >> and liars.

[01:08:51]>> [laughter] >> Just just take a Take a deep breath. Take a couple deep breaths.

[01:08:59]You know what? We should just call it now.

[01:09:02]>> [panting] >> That mental assessment can be done at the jail.

[01:09:06]>> [laughter] >> Do you want to be finished speaking for today, Kaylin? I want you guys to understand. I want you to see. I don't know what I need to do. I just want you to see.

[01:09:17]>> [laughter] >> I was scared of him, too. Please don't let him get away with it.

[01:09:29]So, let me ask you this. When you said, "I'm I'm scared of him, too." What What causes you to say that? Because I see him doing it.

[01:09:39]I seen him kill her. And nobody's listening. We're We're listening. We're listening. No, cuz I'm just I'm hated that way.

[01:09:47]>> [laughter] >> I don't have a bad history, so it's obviously me.

[01:09:51]That's not fair.

[01:09:53]>> [laughter and gasps] >> Because people can act like they're being evil.

[01:09:57]I tell people that all the time. This guy can be a good guy, but be raping somebody, but nobody would ever believe you.

[01:10:03]>> [crying] [cheering] [gasps] >> I'm sorry.

[01:10:20]I'm really trying to tell you guys that you were not listening. You are, but you're not, cuz you obviously still digging at me.

[01:10:28]No, I mean, what I think is that you You and Jonathan planned to kill her, and you did just that. You worked together, strangling her and hitting her head with a rock. I think both of you were hands-on. You put together every part of it. Pre-planning, the killing, the disposing, and the fleeing. Every step of the way.

[01:10:45]That's what all the evidence suggests, Kaylin. So, just so you know, we've talked about this.

[01:10:53]We talked about >> well, being an accessory before the fact or even whether or not when two people go together to do something, [snorts] even if you're not the one who did that part under the final law, you're you're under the whole So, you're still going to be held for for what you did, okay?

[01:11:11]So, well but I know the one thing I do know is that I can fully understand how your history gets you to the point where you're involved with someone like him.

[01:11:25]And I will push back on the detective a bit because I when it comes to a man going out and finding a 16-year-old that he has a perfect record in on one area, that's something you don't that doesn't shine right away and I think he will agree with me.

[01:11:44]Um and there's something going on with a 30-something-year-old man who's done all the things he's supposed to do, who still lives with his mom and is bringing a minor into his mother's house.

[01:11:55]So, there's those kind of issues. So, what so what so No, but listen, I was literally friends with her. I don't know if you guys know that, but I was talking to her on Facebook. I was friends with her. Okay.

[01:12:06]I didn't want her to die.

[01:12:08]I didn't.

[01:12:12]Okay.

[01:12:13]Well, okay. If you didn't want her to die, why did Jonathan want her to die?

[01:12:17]I don't know. I told him I didn't I was going to leave in 5 hours and he had to do something about his mom because I was didn't want to be there without her knowing being about it.

[01:12:27]Okay.

[01:12:28]>> [clears throat] >> Because you you had said that in the interview with the FBI that you killed her because she was in the way of your guys' relationship.

[01:12:47]It's just going to hurt. It's going to hurt. It's going I don't want her to be real.

[01:12:53]I gave him 5 hours to do it, but I didn't really think he was going to do it.

[01:13:01]All right, so you gave him 5 hours to kill her, but you didn't think he'd actually do it.

[01:13:05]>> No.

[01:13:10]And then did you feel kind of responsible after he did do it?

[01:13:12]>> Yes, I feel like it was all my fault.

[01:13:15]I just feel like it was all my fault.

[01:13:19]>> [crying] >> I still hear her. I wrote her a whole letter for Corey. I don't want to hear It's just too much. It's too much.

[01:13:35]Do you remember sending me a letter about the situation?

[01:13:39]Yeah. I just sent you a letter warning you not to do it.

[01:13:43]So you wrote the letter.

[01:13:45]All right.

[01:13:58]I got to just say that it seems that you remember a lot when it's convenient for you.

[01:14:10]Okay, when it helps you.

[01:14:12]But when it's not convenient for you, then things become a little fuzzy.

[01:14:16]No, I know everything, but I told him it's going to hurt. It hurts to talk about every single day. I really feel like getting guilty every day even if I wasn't the one. I didn't want it.

[01:14:29]>> [clears throat] >> It really hurts. It really hurts.

[01:14:33]I feel like I'm getting nowhere. I feel like I'm right back at El Paso.

[01:14:37]>> [laughter] >> I feel like I'm thinking myself a whole lot of what to do.

[01:14:43]I don't want to talk I'm it cuz it hurts. hurts to talk about it.

[01:14:50]I didn't know that I really felt like it was a movie. I thought that John would have loved me. I thought that we're just going to go off and be all >> [laughter and gasps] >> be terrible together. Be worse together because we're not there.

[01:15:07]When did that change? Like when did when did when did time run out for you guys in Mexico? I mean, like at some point this wild ride is being held together was over, right?

[01:15:18]I don't know when it was over.

[01:15:19]I like I said, I told him I was going to take the blame or whatever, and he listened.

[01:15:24]But, I mean at some point you guys are running out of money, living out of this car with this cat and stuff in Mexico.

[01:15:33]Do you have an idea that you're going to get picked up and sent back at some point, right?

[01:15:38]I mean, that's what I was saying. That's why I kept saying that I kept sending all that [ __ ] on social media. And that's the reason why I kept texting people all the things that I was texting them because I just I just wanted it to be over with. I didn't want to really be doing all this stuff that we were doing. Okay.

[01:16:05]Is there anything else that you can think of that you think we need to know that we might not know about?

[01:16:16]He pawned off her laptop in Mexico to somebody.

[01:16:21]Just to a random person in Mexico?

[01:16:23]>> Yep. He drew all the all of her money out of her accounts, as you already know.

[01:16:28]There's videos of all that. You in the car.

[01:16:32]Why were you guys in Adrian, Michigan?

[01:16:34]What were you doing up there?

[01:16:36]Where? Adrian, Michigan. You guys went up in the Michigan with your somebody one time from an ATM machine.

[01:16:44]I don't remember why.

[01:16:46]He needed money.

[01:16:48]He said for the dispensary. That's dispensary.

[01:16:52]Cuz his mom was supposed to go that day for the dispensary, but she never went.

[01:16:56]So you guys got some more money out of there and went to a dispensary and bought some marijuana.

[01:17:05]And then you guys other occasions got money out of various ATMs from her account.

[01:17:12]And uh when you were in Arizona, he sold the gun at a pawn shop.

[01:17:18]Actually, no. In in Texas in El in El Paso, right? Yeah, he said something about his mom. I mean, that's in El Paso. That's where they did all of that.

[01:17:29]And then we were stopped near Mexico.

[01:17:32]And that Okay, so you were in First you were in Arizona, Tempe, Arizona, right?

[01:17:36]>> Yeah. And that's where that guy was shot. Okay.

[01:17:41]And at some point he pawned her jewelry, correct? Mhm.

[01:17:49]And then you were stopped by Customs Border Protection down on the Mexico border.

[01:17:56]But you guys were then released. Mhm.

[01:17:58]Because they said nobody could respond to it. And then you made your way to El Paso where he sold the gun. Mhm.

[01:18:06]And you mentioned he told them something about his mom. What did he tell them? Um I don't This is in the discovery. They said something about his mom being there, right? Or something to something.

[01:18:20]I don't know. Yeah, he His mom is dead.

[01:18:23]It was There I didn't know that he said that whatever. But I knew whatever they told me about the discovery that he said he said that. Right.

[01:18:30]Okay.

[01:18:39]They actually hired people to come and clean up.

[01:18:43]Just making light, okay? Okay.

[01:18:50]No, but you you you said it.

[01:18:53]But what are you going to do if if if he wasn't okay with this [ __ ] Why did he come with me all the way?

[01:19:00]Why didn't I go with him? Why didn't we stay together? Why didn't we let him just go to the park and try to get help?

[01:19:06]Well, trust us. We've seen enough. We've been doing this a long time. We understand these are difficult.

[01:19:21]And but you you've moved on from him, right?

[01:19:31]No.

[01:19:34]Just be honest. What do I do? I think about it every night. I'm like You know what? If anybody ever touches me like he has, I really just want to throw my life away. But I can't do jail.

[01:19:43]I haven't been able to do jail since I've been locked up. But I still think at the end of the day that I can.

[01:19:51]>> [laughter] >> I know that I'm not right in the head because of everything.

[01:19:55]And I keep asking for help, but nobody gives me help.

[01:20:02]Well, that's you know, there's a lot of people who are not right in the head.

[01:20:06]A very very very few of them really murder someone.

[01:20:10]I didn't murder nobody.

[01:20:13]I'm telling you you >> [laughter] >> You're good.

[01:20:20]You're good.

[01:20:23]I didn't kill nobody. He's still out there. And at the end of the day they think that I might as well go to jail, right? I might as well just say [laughter] I did it.

[01:20:33]Throw my life away. And I'm telling you and kicking.

[01:20:36]>> [gasps] >> It's to us, I mean you gave a lot of very explicit details about how this was done. And [clears throat] those are generally the details that someone provides after they [clears throat] walk in and witness a traumatic situation. Generally, people forget things. Okay?

[01:21:02]But you remembered so much that you gave explicit details when you were interviewed.

[01:21:08]>> [sighs] >> I have PTSD because of it.

[01:21:15]So, your your recollection was very clear then.

[01:21:19]>> so close to it. Like So.

[01:21:29]All right, they're going to run you back. Okay?

[01:21:33]Have a good drive. No.

[01:21:36]I've waited my whole life.

[01:21:37]Bye.

[01:21:39]>> [laughter] >> Well, it's it's not.

[01:21:43]It's not, but I'm going to tell you something and I know Aaron will agree, you helped clear up a few things that I think Autumn and I can never gotten into it with Aaron and I think we're um You did Let's put it this way, you didn't hurt yourself.

[01:22:00]Okay? And there's one or two things that I think we we can have a conversation about.

[01:22:04]>> do it. I I want to know what happened.

[01:22:11]Remember what I said to you.

[01:22:14]It doesn't matter who hit her in the bed. Okay?

[01:22:18]I believe I believe you.

[01:22:20]But the whole totality of everything puts you into the the liability issue.

[01:22:25]So, let me do what I do.

[01:22:27]>> know it was going to happen? I wouldn't know.

[01:22:30]>> I will listen to you. You will know that probably pretty soon. But, well Well, first off, we're going to get We're going to get the psychologist talking to you, okay?

[01:22:40]All right? And then the attorneys are going to talk. There's a lot of legal things here that that to work through.

[01:22:46]And we'll get to a resolution and that we can estate and we can feel comfortable with and take it from there, okay?

[01:22:56]What is going to happen? We're going to [clears throat] I'm going to keep talking with your attorney. There's going to probably be some more work in in the interim. I do think they'll probably be evaluated again.

[01:23:06]Um and I don't know what they're going to do.

[01:23:10]Take it from there. Take it from there, okay? All right?

[01:23:13]And I can tell I'm going to tell you straight up because of Well, well So, sit tight. I'll come see you at the jail, all right? They're going to take you back to the jail. Thank you. Thank you. You can wait in this clean next right there. Somebody's going to be coming in to get you here in a minute.

[01:23:28]Sit tight. I'll be there.

[01:23:33]You can wait in that room right there.

[01:23:35]Walk this dark right here.