Religious business ventures can face significant legal liability when they engage in deceptive financial practices, such as borrowing money without intent to repay, making false promises to investors, and creating unsustainable business models. When religious leaders or organizations fail to fulfill contractual obligations, they can be sued for fraud, breach of contract, and other civil wrongs, potentially resulting in punitive damages and the need to pay legal fees. The case of Sanctus Ranch demonstrates how religious movements can be exploited for financial gain, and how legal consequences can arise when individuals or organizations make promises they cannot or will not keep.
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Hello everyone, welcome to Preconcilia Radio. I am your host TLM Ryan. joined with me today picante esquire edition and uh I have a a uh as everybody knows we are late uh we had to find the dog of a new co-host that's the older dog so we got old grumpy here to discuss uh what I think everybody wants to discuss because for the past week set inc and trad have been fighting again no minds have been changed everybody body's tired of talking about it. So, we're going to come to a common enemy that even the Jesuits despise, which is Dan.
Dan, I don't how do you say it content?
>> I say See, >> but I'm very American like >> Yeah. Uh, >> who is if nobody knows this, we should do a should we do a little background for people who don't know? I think people who are tuned in here kind of get the uh the inside.
um the inside scoop already, but because there'll be new people listening to this, we'll do the history and then we'll go over why he's being sued. We'll take a look at the lawsuits.
Uh we'll have a little fun with that.
But before we do that, a little housekeeping. Nothing that you hear today is legal advice. I need to say that so I don't get in trouble. And everything that you hear today, we have good and faithful reason to believe is true. So that should cover us for defamation. We're not going to be like Nick Kavazos that says it every 5 seconds.
Uh so a defamation suit requires that you know something to be false and you still say it. Everything we're going to talk about today we believe is true. Some of them are, of course, allegations not proved in court. That's the disclaimer.
You won't hear me say it again. So, don't try and sue me, Dan. It ain't happening. By the way, Dan can't sue anybody because he's going to spend too much money on defense lawyers at this point. So, and he can't pay anybody anyways. He's being sued because he can't pay anybody. And now he's got to find money to pay more lawyers. And trust me, lawyers are expensive. So, all right, backstory. Um, if you didn't catch Setup Conte's show, I highly recommend it. It's puppet style. He's come out of his uh puppet closet for today's show, but he had a great a great puppet show on the entire drama. I first heard about uh so Dan, he owns this place called Sanctus Ranch in Texas. And I first heard about it on Anthony Stein's show and it was all presented uh via Anthony Stein as if this was some traditionalist TLM guy and his bishop who's like one of the worst bishops uh not just in America but in the church.
One of the his bishop basically like told anybody who was Catholic in the dascese you can't go there. Tried to shut him down. And so it was presented as this is just more persecution of the traditional movement.
And uh that's how I first heard of it.
Pante, I didn't even know when you were doing your show that that was the same ranch. It hit me halfway through. I'm like, wait, there's another religious ranch in Texas >> that's it. It helps that he rebranded the entire event in 2000 or the ranch in 2022. The ranch he started in 2016.
>> Oh, it's that old.
>> Yeah. So, I mean, he says 2016. I thought he said also 2014, but it is actually significantly older, which is why when I did my show, I showed content from 2020 because it's a very different Dan Civney at that time. Even when he was grifting during that time, he was asking for 15s and 20s of dollars, not millions, >> not 5,000 to be a founding member.
>> I'm actually in I'm in a group chat with a guy who paid that >> really. Yeah.
>> Which is crazy because we interact all the time. I didn't know. And so I I was kind of like [ __ ] on like, "Oh, what idiot would do this?" And then he was like, "I I did it." I'm like, "Oh, you're so funny." He's like, "No, I legitimately did." like you seem so normal. Like I could just never have imagined a person giving giving away $5,000 uh who wasn't just off their rocker. But he said lesson learned. Uh but anyways, yeah, Dan Signney has apparently been around for a while. And if you watch set of Kante's show, this guy was like I don't know what flavor of Catholic he like I mean he I grew up non-denominational. All the clips you showed just gave me like PTSD. So what is that? Charismatic.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They they he was, you know, you know, the whole thing where like they strung the guitar and they're like, "Lord, let us give thanks." Yeah. It was straight out of Righteous Gemstones.
That's what it was. It's about as entertaining as Righteous Gemstones, too, which we'll get into.
>> So my education was at Franciscan University from 2008 to like 2013.
And so I was kneedeep in the charismatics around me and I was part I was part of the priestly formation program for much of that time and we had mandatory praise and worship sessions.
So like the whole idea like I I couldn't go without doing it against my will for three years of my time there.
>> So seeing I was like oh we're back at home buddy. We're back with the Charismatics. It's amazing.
>> You knew Yeah. You knew it as soon as you saw it. Okay. Interesting. By the way, this show is sponsored by Suits and Martinis. That was the theme for today's show. Pante came up with it, but he drank all his martinis beforehand, so now he's just sipping whiskey out of a wine glass. So, we went from classy to a little trashy, but here we are. Uh, okay. So, set, do you want to give them the run uh cliffnotes version of your show and what's been going on here at Sanctus Ranch? 5 minutes and then we'll get to the lawsuits.
>> Okay. The the too long did not read is in 2024 uh the bishop January of that month shut them down completely citing they had priests without canonical mission and that they could not use the name Catholic.
What had happened prior to that point was Dan Sevgnney had turned the business around from uh pretty much losing everything during CO because CO is really bad for hospitality business. I work professionally in hospitality. Um and it was very devastating for us and Dad and Seveny claims he lost up to half a million dollars during this time and the pressure from the bishop during uh 2022. the spiritual retreat foundation which was the old name of Sanctu's ranch now uh restoring Christian culture initiative they they rebranded themselves to look to the internet to get more money essentially and what they learned is that they could double their income. So from 2022 they made almost no money by 2024 under the persecution of the bishop they pulled in $1 million.
So the the persecution was assisting.
>> Yes.
>> Oh, okay. I didn't know. Yeah. This was all framed as like, oh, he came down and he's the one who cost us money. But what you're saying is it was co. It wasn't the bishop.
>> Well, the bishop caused all the Catholic contracts because they were a retreat center, >> right?
>> And they were booked most weekends of the entire year. So, they were they were raising a good amount of money doing that.
Once the bishop put the kibash on that, he claims he's lost half a million dollars from that. I they threatened to sue the bishop apparently or they they said in one of the websites that they would consider it.
>> I don't know what ever happened with that cuz I think if they did they would have >> it would have popped up. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So the way I present the story is that Dan figured out by appealing to the culture war which as we all know as a Fran fans of his uh former po Pope N Francis was really high during 2019 and onward >> that's when it had escalated and all the trads were done with him the last like four or five years of his pontificate again I'm a state of a consistent don't believe he is a pope but speaking for the vernacular Right. So because of that and there's now this negative press especially following people like Anthony Stein's return to tradition which is still a fantastic show. I watch it occasionally >> if you want to get depressed.
>> Yes. And but they they went and promoted Dan Civney because Dan Signnney told these people like hey I'm just being unjustly put the kibash on. and Dan Civiknney pretty much came out as a traditionalist after he was a charismatic and everybody bought it and they funneled money into him. Well, as the story goes, in 2025 he holds a big Gala event and he proclaims that we've done it. We've made the million dollars. We helped all the Council Priest Coalition and then he immediately turned around and asked for $1.325 million. I mean, no. 3.125 million. He says, "This is our next three-step program to finish paying everything off." And this raised a lot of alarm bells. And as we're going to see in the um the lawsuits, uh 2025 is a pivotal year because a lot of stuff comes due and a lot of people start to realize maybe these $3 million he's asking for is uh something else.
>> Yeah. Uh and then interlaced with that he founded I believe founded is the correct term. Uh but he starts up Pelican Plus.
>> Yeah. October of that year, >> right? Which was funny because when I first I think it was my first time ever being a guest on anybody's podcast, it was yours with James and you asked me what did I think about Pelican Plus. I had no freaking idea. I mean I knew that somebody had started something. I had no idea. And I was like, why why are all the the trad squawking about Pelican Plots? Like I didn't get it. And that's kind of what I told you. I was like, I mean, I guess like if if it makes money, it makes money.
>> You guys something out.
>> Well, I like a lot of people had thought and even Kasa Santa says said this. I thought when this was announced, he had some sweetheart deal, some angel investor, and they were going to burn through a million dollars just sucking up all the content creators. So, I thought being in the opposition camp >> that this was going to be the end of my free content reign because I'm an a- logger, so I use other people's content.
>> So, if I have to pay for content now, what's the point? Like, >> right, >> this is ridiculous.
>> You were threatened.
>> And now one of your best shows is about how they crash and burned. Okay, so to wrap this all up, we started hearing rumors that things weren't going well at Pelican Plus. And if you watch Anthony Abate show, he pretty much just divulged what happened cuz Dan pulled all these guys in and pitched them an idea for Pelican Plus. Abate in his words says, "Well, I thought he would have had a few million in investors just like you thought." I mean, anybody thinks that if you're going to do a startup, you have to have investors. They didn't have any investors. And somehow these numbnuts, half of them bought it and they still went for it. Now I watched Nick Kavazo's show. Nick, if you guys don't know, Nick released a video I think this morning basically divulging the whole story.
It's not very interesting, but um and he gives a ton of legal disclaimers, but >> we do need we do need to say one thing.
He has a friend who likes somebody. I think that's who we're talking about in that video. So there could have been more >> romance. We got to go over that one too.
Uh, but just to give like the the financial picture here. So Nick even said in his video that he was slightly concerned when he found out that there were no investors. Now I got to give credit to Nick on this is he's like, "Well, what do I have to lose? Like I don't even have a f like I have if it fails, it fails." So for Nick, it makes sense. I have no idea why these pe these these older uh YouTubers decided to go over like Kennedy Hall. Like, dude, there's no way I'm putting uh faith in some guy that doesn't can't. Cuz here's the thing. If you can't convince an investor who wants to make money that your idea will eventually make you money, I'm not put I'm I wouldn't bet my family on it. So, that's what I always say about people who talk about the Nova Sorta. I'm like, if it was a stock, would you put money in it? It's it's been declining for 60 years.
>> And if you wouldn't trust your money with it, why would you trust your soul with it? Um, >> I agree that 100%. That's why I hold Bitcoin. Like people who don't put their money where their mouth is is really weird.
>> But I think Kennedy Hall did believe that they could make a run with it. And I that that actually scared me.
>> That that scared me. I thought that we had the Trad Inc. idea.
>> I thought that was settled in stone. I thought he was going to eat every single subund,000 uh content creator.
>> Return to tradition Pelican Plus.
Apparently he was offered it. He was offered.
>> Ryan Holdzsworth, Anthony Abate, they were all offered it. Yeah. Yeah. Not us.
Not us.
Um, okay. So, that's pretty much Okay.
So, uh, to wrap it up, then a bunch of people start leaving Pelican Plus. Nick left first. Uh, and the rumors started going. And look, at this point, they're not rumors because it's public record.
We're going to get to that in a second.
We go over the the lawsuits. But all the stories were consistent. All the stories showed that Dan was pretty scummy, would take money, not pay it back. Uh was very controlling all the time. Uh like said, I think you said in your show, you're like, "This screams cult. It's a religious ranch in Texas." I mean, that's all you got to say. But Dan really fit the bill for I mean, everybody is saying the same thing. Um so, but the funny thing about him is just listening to Nick and his management style. Yes, it screams cult cuz he was super controlling and wouldn't let them use their own personal media accounts like social media, but it's just it's just dumb, man. Like if if like I didn't think you could get a worse social media CEO than Jeremy Boring at the Daily Wire, but Dan has managed to top Jeremy, >> which is pretty hard to do. Jeremy killed his cash cow in Candace and then spent the rest of Daily Wire's soon to be short existence screaming about Candace and Dan uh in his magnificent leadership basically hired a bunch of people to make him content and then tried to control everything they made.
So it's like well then Dan why don't you just make your own channel at that point? It sounds horrible. Uh honestly and and if you people don't know he's now stepped down as CEO.
So, there is a comment though about his character, which is highly interesting.
On a show they did, they were celebrating getting 2,000 views on Twitter on a YouTube on their podcast.
2,000 views nobody in the world cares about. Like, there's shows that are worse than this show that will get 10,000 views. It's people just watch stuff.
>> He on a show said that and I realized he's new to this.
>> He's actually unaware of how this all works. Like I've been podcasting for three years. I deleted the first year and a half. Um during those years I made tons of mistakes. Tons of mistakes. I had to delete content because I made mistakes. Dan Civign is green at this.
And he's then starts a supposed million-dollar business or something.
What an area he's not an expert in.
>> Yeah. And so if you aren't, so it's funny because Nick Kavazos is this huge Civil War buff. And I don't know, my algorithm's just been feeding me like Robert E. Lee stuff all day, but it reminded me of this because Roberty Lee, if you don't know, his command style was totally different than like Grants or most other generals. He basically gave he would give general orders to his core commanders and then he would say if practicable meaning he gave them tons of discretion to be flexible on the battlefield. That's what you got to that's the type of leader you need in this space as a CEO. You can't be so controlling. I mean he would literally uh lambast Nick for in private chats suggesting different thumbnails. Just ridiculous stuff. um, you know, saying that they could they they couldn't tweet anything unless they got approval from him. The like I don't know why people just didn't quit at that point because if that's the leadership style you've got for a creative endeavor, that's to your point. So what you're saying is he was excited about 2,000 views on a video.
>> Yes. He was excited like he was a teenager.
It's it's something that you can't like you can't wrap your head around if you've actually like done things like >> you know we went through a big lawsuit at one point and it was like oh we the people are suing our family was like pay back $1 million and I'm thinking to myself I I'm a compulsive spender what does $10,000 look like let alone a million but Dan Signney is trying to run a million plus dollar business which is supposed to feed like you know a few dozen families off of $7 a month sub subscriptions like make it make sense that putting it in those lights I need to see the numbers before you'd ever sign up >> right >> that's why >> the more I the more I learn about it because like everybody's kind of going after him for being scummy which you know probably is and certainly these lawsuits will show it but I was like he just kind of sounds like he doesn't know what he's doing >> yes >> he sounds like kind of a [ __ ] when it comes to I mean even just like cuz I know there's he's got a school and stuff like that too >> and I I mean I don't know you said like he was making money with the hospitality so maybe he just >> ventured into an area that he didn't know what to do and maybe he's not a complete idiot but everything that I learned from like the way he manages the school uh all that it just he doesn't sound like he knows how to do proper leadership >> so in hospitality half of everything is literally you just doing it like you literally have to go make all the beds you have to strip it all down. You got to get all that laundered. You have to >> He is a So he's a micromanager at heart.
>> But if you look at him, he's a fat dude.
Like it's got to be a pain to actually do that business.
>> Yeah.
>> And so like just and then the way he would he did a video once, right? And he was there with the Kennedy Hall, Quasnvki, uh Rundis, and someone else, uh Flanders, and they would switch between their camera positions, and it was not set up properly. Like you could tell visibly he he reached about right here and where my hand is. That's where the top of his head was in the in the C setup.
>> And you looked at like this is a media company. This is supposed to be worth millions of dollars I would imagine.
>> Yeah, man. Did you see the new CEO's video?
>> No.
>> It was bad, man. Like I don't want to be mean, but like the guy the guy has uh glasses which one is clear like so one eye clearly doesn't see as good as the other.
the glasses.
>> One is like hypermagnified and he's re he's clearly reading from like a piece of paper and his forehead is like in the screen but it looks like he only has one eye and nobody thought just take the glasses off. Like I have contact lenses in right now but I could do the show without it.
Like I don't need to re you know was so bad.
>> So they're like oh you know we're going to we're going to be so successful now.
I'm like, uh, >> yeah, but again, there was no reason for him to be in that video. Kennedy Hall, who's the same age as me, he always acts like he's this big, tough dude. He always sits upright and talks down to his audience. Have him sit in the middle of the seat.
>> Like, he literally had enough talent that if he just moved it around or used it properly, >> he should have been able to do something good. And this is just it's it's a it just is the repeating story is he's unable to know what he should be doing.
>> Yeah. Everybody says that he's a bad mouth and a bad attitude.
>> Any good CEO has to know like what their role is and what's not. All right, I got a request for for co-host number two to pop up on screen. So, I'll do that and then we'll get into the lawsuits.
>> Do you have a second camera on the dog?
There are literal streamers who have a second camera on their dog.
>> I I am not that good. I got this idea from who's that uh continuity type Wagner. Wagner and his fish. I'm like, we need to.
So, this is Bennett >> named after >> Miss Elizabeth Bennett, which I did catch that. I did catch that joke.
>> All right, there's the dog. All right, let's get into these lawsuits. So, I mean, all right, at the end of the day, >> um, and we forgot to to say one more thing about the story. So, you had the content creators who were all freaking out and starting to leave and all the rumors and all that crap, but then there were rumors going around with this like death day countdown. Somebody made a website that had like a Dan Sevney with like evil eyes. Uh, and then they they put a timer on as to when they were going to release the files.
>> Vulgar CEO is the name of the website.
>> Okay. Vulgar CEO. Uh, and there's like audio, there's like primary sources that document some of his behavior. But one of the big things was that this whole this family who had like $400, $500,000 with their like their nest egg gave it to Dan because they wanted to move onto the ranch. And he said, "Okay, like this will be your down payment. I'll build you a cottage." And then he just took their money and didn't uh uh build the cottage, which is in one of these lawsuits >> over. So the whole thing was like this was what 2 weeks ago and everyone's like wow this is really bad now and the lawsuits are probably coming um which now they have but the funniest part of that and maybe we should talk about this is Nick Kavazos's friend I think is he the one who put the website up >> well he's the one whose story is on the website >> okay so he has a he has a story on the website and Nick like briefly alludes to this it's way funnier here when you get the real story. So, I'll start it and then pante you can you can finish it.
Um, so this guy in his contract and this is the thing, man. Like, all right, I'm going to plug my profession here. So, for many reasons. One, because you need it. And two, um, maybe I can write stream off on my taxes.
You the contracts you trad are signing are absolutely ridiculous or not signing. Like I think Bug Hall uh agreed to another ranch idea where he would live on some guy's property. It might have been Bug Hall. It was someone like Bug Hall. He didn't sign a contract and then he got booted off the land. And he's like, "Oh, I should have signed a contract." Yeah, guys, sign a contract and have an attorney review it before you sign it. Because this clown, Nick's friend, signed a contract that literally said he would obey Dan as if Dan was the abbot of a monastery. Was that where you said this is the call? The cult?
>> Yes. It's the greatest idea ever. Um, >> yeah. Give a layman control over your life.
We used to have a restaurant down the road and they would ask the the manager what what's our tasks and he would go whatever I tell you to do like no that's not how it works but at Sanctus Ranch that is how it works and again hospitality so I do laundry I clean kitchens occasionally I do landscaping I planted flowers this year right it's like whatever needs to be done and there's always something that needs to be done you have to do so I if you're busy with beds, you're busy with beds.
If you're busy remodeling, you're busy remodeling. That's what Dan was going to do to uh Nick Kvassus' friend, >> right? But the contract also stipulated that 90% of this individual, this employee, his task would be ch Gregorian chant or some some type of like, you know, I'll put it this way. So, I went to school I went to Ohio State for undergrad. Not a lot of people know this, but Abberrombie and Fitch's HQ is 45 minutes from campus. So like all of these like Abbercrombie girls would like they were like little vultures and they would like stalk and like try to find employees to poach for their campus. And this is this is the only thing I can like relate to Sanctus Ranch because this is the closest I've ever been to a cult.
So, I was like, "Sure, I'll I'll go."
Like, you know, they paid over minimum wage. I was like, "All right, I'll uh I'll sign up." Um, actually, as many people know by now, I just moved homes and I had to get my 401k to show the lender that uh I could afford this home. And I've been pretty remiss. I haven't really checked on my 401k in a while.
So, I'm calling the company and they're like, "Well, what uh what company do you work for?
and they they shut me out of my account because apparently I was my law firm like wasn't checking out. Turns out Abberrombian Fish set me up with a 401k back in college and because I completely forgotten about that I was getting [ __ ] out. So kind of funny but point is they were paying good. They gave me a 401k as a college kid to fold laundry.
I show up and there are shirtless dudes throwing the football back and forth across the gate and I was like, "Is there come like some kind of event?" They're like, "No, we pay them to do that." I'm like, "How long?" They're like, "Eight hours." I'm like, "You've got to be kidding me." I mean, like, it's the whole thing. Like, they had the bronzer on the six-pack.
I'm like, "This is creepy." Like, we only burn this type of firewood in our fire. I I didn't show up the next day.
Like that's why I didn't know I had a 401k with them. So I was employed for one day. Point being is this is what Dan was going for for this guy. He would like kind of like I don't know sit on the ranch and Gregorian chant. Probably not shirtless. Uh but he like this prop.
He was supposed to be like this monk prop, like this trad.
And then Dan basically flipped the script and just worked him to death.
Give him 90% manually. So, he was supposed to do 90% Gregorian chant and 10% manual labor. And Dan was doing the exact opposite with him. They got into a fight about this and then apparently the guy also has like physical disabilities.
So, he's like, "This is like killing me." Sip. I'll let you get to the juiciest part though as to why this went south.
Well, this guy alleges that he and Dan Signnney's daughter were seeing eye to eye about life and that they had started to devolve feelings for each other. And apparently this made everyone in Dan Civign's family hate him. So, not only did he like live there for 4 months, he developed a relationship and then at the end of which he was like being a slave labor and literally every person wanted him out. It's like like these I I do actually feel for these incompetent 20-year-olds because like that's been me my whole life while I live at home currently. It's like, "Hey man, you're a Catholic. I'm a Catholic. Let's be friends. Okay, slave labor. What? Why? What? Hey, you've got a nice daughter. Okay, we all hate you."
Like, wait, how did it go this way?
And so someone said, "We need to make a romcom about it." Uh, I mean, >> make a fantastic story.
>> It's a Tropic Thunder fake trailer. The the indentured servant who was supposed to be a monk falls for the farmer's daughter in four months, dude.
>> She's like, "I heard you singing chant in the chapel."
The movie should be uh Oh, I got to get this off the screen.
Um, the movie should be sneaking around Son Deuce Ranch.
Uh, so yeah. Uh, and then apparent I don't know. Did he ask uh Dan's permission to marry her or something?
But eventually like he came out with it and they revealed it. I don't know if it was for a proposal or just like a hey, we like each other. Maybe because he's a a hair airhead 20-year-old, he actually did propose. Like maybe he was just like, I'm all in. Hey, let's go up.
Let's go further and harder cuz you know that's the way you are at that age. And everybody else seems to be that way on P on Pelican. Hey, let's just close my Substack. I'm moving everything. Yeah.
>> Like >> so maybe Han has this talent to just get everyone to believe him. He was a sales marketer originally.
>> I would have to meet the guy to truly know. I've only seen his videos like from a digital perspective and I find him to be like very average in con, you know, convincibility. Like I mean, well, a lot of it was what you were showing me, which was just, you know, charismatic nonsense. So, I don't know. Uh he obviously got a lot of people um people that I don't consider to be idiots per se, but intelligence is not just do I read theological manuals. It's I mean Anthony Abbate was the one who he's like, "Dude, you got to be a little street smart here." Like if you're if you're if you're like Anthony who's been a little more street smart, you know, when people are full of [ __ ] and scamming you. Whereas if you're all in like the intellectual lever like Dr. Hey, it actually makes sense to me now that I think about it why like someone like Quatzeski would get fooled into this because he's an academic. Like it's all about ideas and pies in the sky and studying. It's not at all about dealing with, you know, in the dirt, you know, flesh and blood people. So, um I honestly people made fun of Nick for it, but quite honestly, the guy probably made out pretty well. It's a good experience. Better to fail young when you have no assets to lose than to fail late. So, I just was like when he started describing the working conditions, you know, I've I've had several employers and I'm like, dude, at no point should you have like not freaked out. Like, none of these working conditions are normal. But it was his first job. You know, what the hell did he know? Um, he made it out better than his friend, dude. His friend >> So, is the friend still employed at the ranch? I mean, is it just now?
>> He He left.
>> Okay.
>> He left November, I think, last year or something. Hide your daughters. He's after.
Oh man, what a dude. Put that in his Tinder profile.
Um, >> we'll work for free.
Um, yeah, the friend is down bad, man.
It's kind of funny. Like, he shouldn't be too ashamed. It's pretty hilarious.
Uh, okay. So, we've given you guys 30 minutes of backstory. The last bit being freaking hilarious. Um, I really if AI gets good enough that I can make like a fake movie about that.
>> It It is good enough already. You just got to know like the prompts and stuff.
There are three minute AI movies now.
>> There we go.
>> In other podcast worlds that are >> embarrassingly fun.
>> Tread Thunder.
>> Um, can you put my screen up?
>> Yeah. All right. Let's get to the lawsuits.
>> So, this is the this is the first lawsuit >> filed January 23rd.
>> So, if you guys don't know by now, Dan has now here it is. That's how you say it. Daniel Cigney has been sued >> individually as well. So, the ranch is being sued and he himself.
>> Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Um, this one is uh monetary relief of over $1 million.
the same thing he was asking for a year ago on the end of uh his article on on uh one Peter 5 in April of 2025.
>> Yep.
>> Um did you have any parts in particular you wanted me to read?
>> Uh none of this stuff really just the facts.
>> The facts of the case. Yeah.
>> I don't know about >> this goes back a ways. He's been at this.
>> Yes. So if we remember the timeline starts in 2016 according to uh the one Peter 5 article. So honor about December 26 2016 the plaintiff agreed to loan a defendant surren individually money under a promisary note. The defendants promised to pay the principal amount of 195,000 plus 6% interest peranom. A few years later, the plaintiff and defendants amended the promisary note to add an additional amount of $47,000, making the total principle $242,000.
The promisory note matured on November 1st, 2023 with all amounts owing to be paid by this date.
>> Now, we were sued for something in my family. We produced documents saying we paid bills for like six years. We had to find all these documents.
Dan is going to have to go back and show documents from 2016.
>> Yep.
>> He did. It took us months to do what we're going to have. We did.
And uh you know he there's a reason he's not CEO anymore. He's not going to have the time.
No, he this is I mean how many lawsuits have been filed? We we have two lawsuits for you, but I think set you said there are four.
>> Um the other one seemed one of them seems to be like inactive because someone died.
>> Okay.
>> And then the other one was settled out of court at the end of uh 2024 2025.
>> That's where all these people's money went. Lawsuit settlements.
>> Yeah. So one was actually settled. So that is I guess where the money went to.
>> Yeah.
>> So >> they the plaintiff and defendants eu uh ex executed five other promisary notes for between uh 2018 and 2019. So prior to co actually start of co um wait no no no it started in uh >> March March of 2020.
>> Yeah yeah March. Yeah, going to say February for a total of $525,000 plus interest.
So, he's got a loan from this one person. Six different loans.
>> That's a house pay. That's a that's a mortgage.
Uh so, let me add a little context here just in case people aren't speaking legal. Promisory note. Uh it's have a couple elements. If you meet all the elements, it's basically a binding contract for a loan. Plaintiff is the person who is suing. Defendant, that's Dan Sven.
Um, yeah, scroll down to the juicier stuff. So, basically, they're just like trying to get their money back because he hasn't paid anything. Uh, there you go. Right there. Uh, end of paragraph 11. To date, defendants have not made any payments and it's due, right? So, it's been due >> almost almost a year ago, >> which curiously enough, >> 2025. That's when he was pitching Pelican.
Um, uh, so the last time he got a loan was six years be or six years give and take a few months before he started Pelican Plus.
>> Yeah. So why would you start a new venture?
>> Because that's when it's due. This is the theory. The theory Anthony said this. The theory is that he thinks Dan started Pelican Plus to save the ranch because of this. See, so this was already he owed half a million already before Pelican Plus was even a thought in his head. Then if you go back to when it was due, the loan amount was due with interest. It was August of 2025, which is exactly when he starts pulling all these people in and to your point starts asking for, oh, we need what, $3 million to make up the balance. So, he was holding up uh very likely he was holding up the bishop persecution as a way to convince people to give some money so he could do this. Which is why when all the Pelican investors come in, and by investors I mean like those those poor guys who put $5,000 in, that's why they they're not seeing any of their money back. I mean, technically they get the service, but you know what I mean? Like >> Mhm.
there there's more money that just keeps spinning because he's got at least half a million just on this one person. Um, scroll down a little to 14.
Yeah, I mean this this one's pretty bland. It's just saying, okay, he hasn't paid anything. The fraud is where it gets a little bit more interesting. Um, >> uh, this one.
>> Yeah. So under I won't bore everyone with legal ease but under Texas uh statute fraud has three elements. The most difficult one to prove is to commit fraud to meet the definition of fraud you have to have defrauded a person at the time you made the promise.
So if I'm Dan's attorney what I'm going to argue here is look he had all the intentions in the world to pay this back. he just got caught in a bad situation and he's trying. So, that is going to be a little difficult. Okay, the plaintiffs are going to have trouble promising that. Now, I would say if you're the attorney, and we're going to get to the plaintiff's attorney here in a second, but if you're the plaintiff's attorney and you ever listen to Catholic content like my show, I would say this, Miss Attorney, go watch Setupc's puppet show because he shows a ton of evidence about how this guy was full of [ __ ] from the beginning. Uh so that may help you on your element to prove fraud. That's my plug for you. Um >> thank you.
>> Go ahead. Keep going here.
>> Um >> well well it's just that one date is really important. The uh August 15 2025 because when we have the retransformation which starts in 2022 is where I place it. That's because in 2023 they started in elementary school. Why are you starting an elementary school with five or six loans, some of which are due four years ago? What What is that about?
No. No alarm bells going off in Dan's head. No one starts an elementary school to make money.
>> Yeah, it's not good margins, man. I mean, what's next? He's going to start a grocery store with 1% margins like this.
He needs better business ideas, man.
I I mean honestly to me what it looks like is that he took the money that he borrowed in 2016 and started using it for other ventures.
But who knows? I mean that would have been seven years later. He probably already lost that money.
>> So the uh defendants allege no the uh the other >> Dan offers.
>> Yeah.
>> To pay in one year.
So, no, the plaintiff alleges the defendant said. So, the Dan Signney's big idea was to build a real estate um asset since real estate is really popular in Texas right now. And then that was the anchor for everything. So, his bargaining chip is this asset. Then when we get to the next lawsuit where he's taking money from the Omahones to build this asset that then they're like, "Hey, we we get to live at the asset, right?"
He's like, "Get in line."
This guy doesn't have an actual escape plan. He needs to make escape velocity.
And the big thing that really gave it away was his um $5,000 founders member, right?
>> There's a second one. It was $1,600.
$1,600 amounts to 4.8 eight years worth of uh time on the Pelican Plus network.
Afterwards, you get it for free for the rest of your life.
>> Whoa, wait, wait. Say that again.
>> He had a program that was you could get the pay one chunk of money and then it's free the rest of your life.
>> That was for $1,600, >> which amounts to less than five years.
In other words, >> it was another bad business plan that he needed money now and we'll just take care of the problem later in the future.
This is like a podcaster.
Um, there's one one I follow for the LOLs whose promise if you give him $200, you get whatever he merch he makes in the future forever.
And for the first year, that's going to be fantastically successful for every year afterwards. This doesn't work.
So, in other words, he has no intention of actually keeping the promise is the point. And that's why I think that the uh this is actually a really good case to be made against Dance of Igny that he is actually just simply trying to use the equity in Sanctuous Ranch. That's why he keeps offering it >> right >> to everyone. And remember Abate, he said he offered it to Abate.
>> Oh, did he?
>> Yeah.
>> Equity.
>> They offered everyone equity in the company. So he was going to try and get the company to get the the debts and then he loses the company to all the people of equity. This is the this is the master plan. I think >> I mean >> I think >> it's going to come out in discovery, man. So if if >> if if you know Pante is like half an esquuire because his family got sued.
Like look, you go through one of these you pretty much >> one lawsuit ruined my my family's life for a whole year.
>> Yeah, it's No, these are not fun. Uh Dan's not having a good day. But what happens is like this is All right. So this is going to hit. I mean, it's already hit. Dan's been served undoubtedly.
>> Yeah.
>> So then Dan's going to get an attorney who's going to respond to all this and make it sound completely different.
Okay. So you've got two sides. Then what the courts do, and America is insane at this, the courts basically say anything that's not, you know, conversations with your attorney privately, you have to turn over everything. Mhm.
>> And so we're going to find out a lot of stuff. That's why, you know, typically people don't like to get involved in lawsuits because your whole life just opens up to the world and this will be public.
>> Yeah. So in my family's lawsuit, they alleged an event happened and they asked us for all records of all people who were at this event that never happened.
And we we sent back, we said, "This event never happened." And then they just kept going on and we were scratching our heads like wait you can just say something happened make up a story and then you get sued over it.
Like that's insane. But unfortunately for Dan Signnney, he's left a paper trail of uh not building very much human capital with people.
>> No. No. So um let's uh Okay. So this is suit number two.
>> Yeah. This suit number two. number suit number two is is more interesting in my opinion. And then we're going to get to um the plaintiff's attorney because she is hilarious.
Um and and by the way, the first thing I can tell if something's a good legal document is its length. So set this to me and this is only like eight pages. Like I'm a little worried the plaintiffs have a bad attorney. Like this should be a lot longer. This should be 20 pages of allegations and >> Oh >> yeah.
>> So it' be like the one we got that was like 30 pages long.
>> Yes.
>> Like here here's 30 pages of homework to do. Pull your hair out. So this one was filed on the last day of March.
>> Okay.
>> Which is I mean I guess this has been out of the bag for a while now.
>> So was this been filed was this filed after the first one? Yeah, the first one was filed in January.
>> And they're using the same they're using the same attorney. So these people are talking to each other like people are pissed.
>> Yeah. Which is fantastic for the sake of the story because you see now there's momentum. There's multiple cases from multiple people. There's three parties here.
There's Deborah and Lin Lindsay Mace. And then the big one is actually the first name.
>> All right, let's get to the Mahoney.
Tony, do you want to skip to that?
>> Yeah, cuz the because the other ones it's the exact same. I mean, this this attorney just copy pasted >> this again. It's not good. Yeah, here we go. The cot back to the case.
>> You You read that. I'm going to get myself another drink cuz that martini I threw out.
>> Okay.
Uh, okay.
Uh, all right. Okay. So the Mahoney uprooted their lives to move to Sanctus Ranch and to aid in promoting the message, philosophy and work that Sus Ranch and other defendants were trying to send and do for the community. The Alahones sold their home in New Jersey with a promise from the defendants that a cottage would be provided for them to live. The Alahan paid a down payment for the cottage and land as well as paid an additional amount in order to get the cottage they were living in until their cottage was completed. The defendant never fulfilled the promises and representations made to the Alahones and wrongfully evicted them after the Omahones demanded all the money paid to the defendants, whether through notes or other agreements, was returned. Wait, can you just evict people still? I thought this wasn't America. You can't do it in California.
>> But that's that's you from California.
You're like, "Oh, what? Co CO started in February of 2020." Like only for only for California. the rest of the country couldn't freak out just so fast. Um, yeah, I mean, renters renters uh own own the courts in California, but look, whether he they were evicted rightfully or wrongfully doesn't really matter at this point. Um, >> okay.
>> But, well, actually, yeah, let's keep going then. I want to get to the um I want to show you guys how screwed Dan is if these are proven. So, what basically we got, hey, here's money for a house.
And then he didn't perform.
He didn't build the house. Like, this is pretty slam dunk because you're going to you're just going to take a picture of the lot and be like, there's no house.
Unless he can get his slave labor boy.
>> Mix the cement. Come on, white boy. I've got diabetes. I can't work in the sun.
And he doesn't even have the daughter left to entice him with because she got married to someone else, right?
>> Well, he's going to get Murray Rundes to do the work or something. Like, there's no one to work.
>> Also, if you've looked at the actual property of the ranch, it's the worst part of Texas. That ground is white clay. Like, it's not the nice farm ground in northern and western Texas >> areas of there. Like, Texas is like four different countries. all rolled into one. It's very strange.
All right. So, during the transaction, the defendants made a false representation of material fact of the Mahoney. The defense told the Omahones that the 100,000 $5,000 down payment was for five acres known as lot 9C River uh River Bluff Ranch in Van. You're just going to take a picture of lot 9C and there's not going to be a freaking building and you're going to have a a wire record of the money. I mean, this should be summary judgment. Like the drive this >> if the Omaha have the documents for all of this stuff, which is why they're alleging it, right? Because their lawyer's like, "You've given me the documents. Okay, now I'm going to write this down."
>> Unless their lawyer's uh, you know.
>> Oh, yeah. We need to get to the lawyer in a second. I don't know, man. But but yes, theoretically this should be summary judgment. There shouldn't be discovery. Shouldn't be a trial.
Shouldn't be arbitration. None of that.
It should be the judge just looks at the facts, sees the evidence, and says, "I am ruling as a matter of law that Dani is everything."
>> No, we've got to go to a discovery.
Okay? We want discovery on this man. I want to see every dollar he's made in the last 20 years.
You should go represent him and be like, "Listen, I I I was an Esquire for a show. I can help you. I'll do it for free and I won't hit on your daughter.
Please, Judge. We're we're ready to go to Discovery.
>> This is a great line.
The Omahones have information and belief that the $125,000, an additional sum to the other sums of money, was used for other things, i.e. setting up Civney's podcast.
>> Oh boy.
>> And not for the purchase of the five acres. So they didn't Signney didn't even have the five acres apparently or the cottages as indicated by the defendants.
>> Like you even own the acorage.
>> I guess like I mean >> if you can prove that they spent $125,000 on a podcast studio. Wow.
And that's why I don't understand like, "Oh, I have to set up this podcast.
All of this costs me like 80 bucks a month with the subscriptions. This is not like expensive."
And people will watch. I'm not, you know, look, talk about 2,000 views. This live stream will get 2,000 views on live streams. Even if it's off topic and I'm not ranting about Vatican 2, I'll get like 1.7 from my shitty little like Apple builtin. You don't need $100,000 for I mean I guess he had to pay the the >> No, he had a three camera setup with five microphones and five chairs and a soundboard >> and a room that he didn't know how to light properly because it was all filled with windows.
>> Um >> Darl, it's neat by the way, but thank you for noticing.
>> Also, um that was the first studio.
There's a second studio, right? the one with the the picture of the lady of Guadalupe, >> which also has five microphones and I think five four or five cameras too. So like >> get a podcast journalist here.
>> They went nuts. So, like that's actually a realistic amount of number to buy furniture, pictures, uh, set design, that many cameras, that many microphones, replacement cords, sound boxes, things are going into $125,000 for two podcasting studios, which is essentially what happened, you know, like you could do it cheaper, but they look kind of nice.
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, like if you're Sure.
Like if you're uh what if you look at Matt Fred's studio, look, it's I don't I don't like his content. I don't like the company work for it, but it's a it's a damn good-looking studio. Like if you do it right, it's it can be worth it, I suppose. But >> it's so sterile. I hate that studio.
>> It's so artistic and sterile. Please. I prefer >> Yeah, >> the f the wait, which which way am I looking? I prefer the Richard Scar's children book with the cowboy salmon and Porky and the Disney books I used to read growing up. Like >> you are one of the more unique ones. I mean, so long as you don't have a a bookshelf perfectly manicured behind you, you're you're more unique than most.
>> Um go let's go down to what they're uh actually asking. They meaning the plaintiffs. Um, so I mean this is just I don't think there's anything. Okay, right there. Third p paragraph 35.
Exemplary damages. Um, and I looked this up in the in the text code. Exemplary damages. That's punitive. So they are and and I looked it up. If what Dan did meets these standards, he 100% qualifies for punitive damages. Punitive damages are. So, the point of a lawsuit, just generally speaking, is you want to restore the injured party and make them whole. Meaning, um, well, this is a great example. These people lost, let's say, roughly $500,000.
And so, the court would give them that back, but that won't make them whole because they lost time. They went through stress. So what the the court does, this is all American juristp prudence, is they try to get the plaintiff back as close as possible to the state they were in before they were harmed.
Exemplary damages or punitive damages goes a whole another level. It basically is something that the legislature has crafted that says in particular offenses, they are so egregious that we as the government will then punish you by taking more of your money, not to make the plaintiff whole, but to basically say you're it's a it's a financial spanking. Like you're a you're been a bad boy. Like you need to pay even more money. Now look, they're also going for attorney's fees. Now, that makes sense because if you want to make me whole and I've been injured and I had to spend of my because they're spending money right now on attorney's fees, okay, Dan also has to pay that because if it wasn't for Dan's actions, they wouldn't have had to hire an attorney.
So, Dan's going to have to pay his attorney. He's going to have to pay their attorneys.
I mean, I don't know how many podcasts this guy's got stuffed up his butt, but he's going to have to pull more out.
Um, do you think that Dan might not pay himself out of the uh corporation though >> so that he can't be sued for anything?
>> Well, okay. So, I should say this again.
I've already said this isn't legal.
>> Let me just say that because I've looked at his 490 form. I mean, 990 form >> and in one year he paid his wife $80,000 and himself 16 >> $16 or 16 >> thousand. Oh, 16 grand. Okay, that's >> so he's making poverty lab wage area wages and his wife was making a good chunk of money. So like I got to wonder if this guy's already figured out a plan and he's been doing this for five or six years where >> they'll So I'll say this and this, you know, again, none of this is legal advice. So I don't litigate a lot.
Um so if anybody's like, "Oh, I know it's not legal advice, but I'd still like to learn something." I'm not an expert on litigation. I know enough to be dangerous and I litigate a little. I am most certainly not a corporate attorney. I don't understand corporate law because I don't practice corporate law. So now you because I know your family has a business, you're probably more of an expert at this point and you've been through a lawsuit, you're more of of an expert on corporate law. Um, correct me if I'm wrong there.
I'm just trying to give people some color here. Point being is, but I do know this, like if you're an SOB, the courts will let you breach the corporate veil. What that means is, so you can sue the company, and they are, they're suing the company and Dan individually. So they're trying to breach the corporate veil. Meaning like if I'm the CEO of Amazon, if I'm Jeff Bezos back when he was CEO, Amazon, he is not going to lose money because somebody sued Amazon. Amazon as the corporation will lose money if they lose a lawsuit unless something really egregious. Oh, I don't know like this happens then you can you can take all the money from the corporation and you can go after someone's personal finances. I think that that standard but set you're you know you've been through a lawsuit.
>> No no I think you're right because it it um identifies >> Yeah. Danielle Signnney, Sanju Ranch LLC, Restoring the Christian Initiative Culture, formerly Spiritual Retreat Foundation. So, this is why I think they want to go to um Discovery as well. And while they're going to push for that anyway, >> because they're suing 16 years of of a corporation, >> I mean, not 16, 10 years going back to 2016.
That's gonna be hell.
If Dan Signnney can't find uh two three million dollars suddenly by the next week, he's gonna be in trouble.
>> Nema Higlick So. Dude, what kind of name are you using? All right. This this picture of this wolf is asking me why Quezneski and Ferrara haven't bailed yet. Probably because Dan has them uh chained up in the basement uh so he can pay his legal fees with their content.
Um, by the way, the only way I knew about this story was someone DM'd a mutual and then they DM' me and then someone DM'd me this Texas lawsuit. This this lawsuit was filed in March.
>> Yeah.
>> And say Piccante, the creative journalist, didn't know about it for six weeks. Like >> I'm I'm late.
>> Wasn't Stephen Cox an investigative journalist at some point before he became president of SE Inc.?
>> Yeah, I think so. He was investigating us and he's been blackmailing us ever since. But don't let him know.
>> Um, so yeah. So Dan's in I mean Dan's look look I'll say this. I've litigated on the defense side. So all of these things sound really bad as soon as you're sued because you're going to put the plaintiff is going to put their best foot forward. Then you read, you know, and Dan will eventually have his lawyer draft up a response and >> they did.
>> Oh, no way. It was one page of we deny everything categorically.
>> Do you have it? Can we Can we look at it?
>> Uh, >> I'll give you some time. I'll I'll talk.
Well, because that would be So, typically Okay. So, if it's more than one page and you're not an idiot, the defense attorney will paint it as like they're making all of this up. Here's more color to it. It's completely not what you think. And so whatever is latest looks more convincing. That's why you have to go to discovery because people are putting their best foot forward. So when we look at the plaintiff's suit, you shouldn't think, oh, Dan did all these things. Now, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence as people who are in the content space looking at this to say, "Yeah, they probably did." But my point being is just reading the the first lawsuit that doesn't get you to the truth. Usually, usually it's somewhere in between because then also if you look at the defense response, that's not the whole truth either. These are lawyers who are battling it out. And look, it sucks because when when I get cases and someone comes to me, you you you start to see the the advantageous part of their story and the disadvantageous. And it never crosses in any any good attorney never really crosses your mind whether they did something or didn't cuz your job is to just defend them as best you can. If you have knowledge they're lying, you you can withdraw ethically. Um but typ like typically most clients are going to be pretty forth with you. Yeah. Well, we kind of did this. So, but the point being is you never push a document like this out with the court that admits to disadvantageous facts. So that's why when you read this, Dan looks like the devil. When you read his response, it's going to be look like he looks like an angel. That's where comes in.
>> You can put me up.
>> Oh, you got it.
>> Yeah.
>> This is great.
>> So, this is filed uh May 12th.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> There you go. That's it.
>> You've got to be kidding me.
>> Yeah. So, uh he he announces >> that's the whole document.
That's all that was on the website, >> dude. They were just >> Yeah. And this is what he he says. The defendants deny each and every and all and singular and material allegations contained in the plaintiff's original petition and demand strict proof thereof.
>> He's buying He's buying time.
>> Yeah. He Well, and it's this probably cost him $500 in legal fees instead of proper.
Uh, who's their attorney?
>> Respectfully submitted. Dan >> Dan Dan did it himself. Oh, he's got no money, man.
>> Um, yeah, >> he's got no money. He AIed this probably or he's been sued before, so he pulled a template.
He's got no money.
>> Um, there's an identical document for the other one as well, >> pretty much.
I mean, >> I just looked at the first page and it was practically identical to this.
>> I'm kind of I'm kind of rusty on what happens next because I've only sat second chair, so I don't and I I don't do civil procedure. So, we we'd always let the associate tell us what's going on. But look, >> uh well, okay, who brought more information? Who brought a story? The other one story has this couple that lost everything and that need to be restored and he's got no I didn't do it.
>> I mean, you got to have more than that.
Like you can at least >> I mean the judge the judge will see through that, but I'm trying to think like what the next step is. Uh, I think it's motions for summary judgement, which quite honestly, if I'm the judge, I may grant to at least All right, we're going to get into the plaintiff's attorney here in a second because I think I think the plaintiffs needs they need to change attorneys.
This is just, you know, if if you guys are listening, I know you're not.
>> Um, let me pop this up on the screen.
So, when you're an attorney, the first thing you do when you get sued is you research the other side. both the corporation that's suing you or individual and who they're represented by. Now, typically with large firms, you get a general like I can tell you who the [ __ ] are in the industry just based on their firm. What we're dealing with here, you don't have like firm brand. We're dealing with an individual solo practice. So, they can either be really these come in two brands, three brands. Boomer sucking everything out, you know, because he had a divorce or three and he needs money and he's 70 years old. Don't ever hire those, by the way. Uh someone who is insanely competent in a niche area and an idiot.
That's all you get with solo practice pretty much. Okay? There's no in between. Most large firms, you're going to get a decent mix of competence and area and specialty. This is a solo practitioner. I'm going to show you guys this. This this is the plaintiff's attorney, her website, and I'm going to ask you if you really want to recover $500,000 and attorney's fees and punitive damages. If you want this person representing you, this is her website.
Pop this on the screen.
There it is.
What?
>> Let's Let's keep going. It gets worse.
>> No.
>> So, this is T. You probably can't see this, but she she wrote >> No. No.
>> Oh, no. Okay. So, I have a theory as to why they chose her. Okay. Um, I mean, this some of this is fine. Like most most law firms don't have the best websites, >> but you can at least read the text.
Here's her approach which you have to highlight if it's like like lemon juice.
You have it's encrypted old school.
Okay. So, I was I was scrolling through.
This is just a plugin. It looks sophisticated. It's just by the way. I think these might be fake. These Google reviews. I'm not sure cuz the Yelp reviews were all one stars.
Um what? Oh, yeah. Okay. So, so she Okay.
So, she's in San Antonio, >> but then look here at the bottom. It says Chicago. I'm like, and then look here. Trads are excited. It's Latin.
>> I was trying to read it. That ain't Spanish.
>> Is that Spanish?
>> No, it's not. I don't know what it is. I don't even know if that's Latin.
>> It's Latin. It's Latin. And I'm going to tell you why I know it's Latin. So, I do So, a lot of people don't know the type of law I do. I do um data privacy, cyber security. I do a lot of website compliance.
>> So, I actually wrote the terms of service for Integrity Magazine and their privacy policy. Not the not the current privacy policy. We're updating it. Um, so I work with a lot of clients who are just building websites.
Every new website uses Latin as filler.
She didn't update her template. This is a halfbaked website. Let me show you how it gets even worse.
Where is her here? Contacts.
>> Lauram question.
>> Is it?
>> WHAT? NO. NO. NO.
NO.
>> She's apparently [email protected].
>> No. No. This person. No. Dance is running this website, too. He's suing himself.
And I'm like, man, maybe the TRD maybe the TRD plaintiffs just were like, "Oh, it's a it's a TLM attorney. It's a TLM attorney." No, she doesn't know how to run a website.
>> No.
Lauram Oops. Do like a lomass. Oh, no.
>> No.
>> It's so bad.
>> We're cooked. Pelican's going to win.
Yeah. Yes. This person got it. Yes. No.
Wait. Latin using templates. Yes.
>> Oh no.
>> Yeah. Uh, look, I went on I went on Yelp and there were four reviews. All of them were one star. That that this this attorney doesn't prepare. She showed up to a dep allegedly showed up to a deposition like not even with her own documents. By the way, depositions are tough. Like, if I've I've gone through a few depositions. You were like, I couldn't work the next day because you're just hit with a bus. I mean, it was a three three-day deposition, so I shouldn't say the next day. These are tough things that you have to really prepare for. And allegedly, she didn't even show up with the right documents.
I'm begging these people, if you want to be made whole, you're going to have to pay upfront for a good attorney. It doesn't have to be top-of-the-line $700 an hour type. A good rate, and this will this will be sticker shock. A good rate for a competent attorney, find a midsized firm, probably for the partner, it's going to be 500 an hour. Have them farm most of it to the associate, 300, 400 an hour. If you win, you get your attorney's fees paid. Well, here's the thing we have to talk about. If you win against a client that can pay, you'll get your attorney fees back. This is the All right. So, this is the problem.
They are suing a guy so broke he's made up scams to pay off someone 10 years ago that he scammed.
This is a really like this is a really bad situation for everybody because like I want Dani to be rich and successful so that he can at least make these people whole. He doesn't even have that. So, what'll probably happen is some type of bankruptcy and then it's a pecking order like just because somebody declares bankruptcy. So, the the they'll liquidate all of his assets. They'll sell his car. Maybe they'll sell his slaves because apparently he keeps them.
And then whoever is, now this is all set by law. Whoever is in the pecking order, so sometimes it can be the bank. The bank that gave the loan for the ranch will get the money first. Then comes I don't know maybe this family. So then the other people are, you know, but then the money is used up. So people will be so here unless Dan can find another scam that actually doesn't become a scam.
Like Dan needs money. He can't even afford an attorney. Which is highly concerning at this point because look, even if the judge says, "Okay, um, I rule in favor of the plaintiffs. I don't think Dan will appeal because he's broke." Um, >> does he know how to appeal? I don't know how to appeal, dude. Like, I make an associate do it. Like, it's really like the legal ease of like the deadline you have to get to, where you have to file it, the format. It's very complex. I don't want to be Dan right now where I don't have enough money to to do these things and to have to somehow AI this.
He's it's it's going to end up horrible for him. But what'll my prediction is he'll have to declare bankruptcy. He'll sell off all his assets and it'll just be peanuts in the pecking order. And I don't know enough about bankruptcy law to know who would go first in line, but I mean, you can just kind of Google that. It'd be under Texas law. So, whatever Texas bankruptcy law says gets the first cut. So, let's say he's liquidated. He's got a million dollars.
Uh 500,000 of that, is that going to go to this family who lost their whole home? It depends. It depends on how the lawyers or the uh the legislators in Texas made these laws. probably back in like 1820.
Uh back when they literally well they literally did have slaves and not just Dan Ziggney's indentured servants. I don't know. I don't know how this is going to work. Um it it would yeah kind of feel bad for Dan. I feel bad for Dan to the extent that he's going through this but he made a lot of bad decisions.
How do you get that many loans and then you're just taking this couple for $100,000 this month, $100,000 another month, some other time, $40,000, and it adds up to $430,000.
>> Well, here's the problem.
>> Was a lot of time.
>> These aren't conventional loans. They're they're from like people he manipulates >> on a spiritual level. That's horrible because that tells me you can't go to the bank because the banker doesn't trust. Look, I I don't want money. If I'm going to a bank, I would much rather have it a conversation with an atheist that it's just it's just business.
There's no cuz when the the religious stuff gets mixed in the I mean, this is what happens. Um people can have a false sense of security. You really just want like like I'm I'm talking for like a business venture. I don't want a Catholic to tell me that my business venture is good. I want someone who actually has a bias against me to say, "Damn, you're making a lot of sense. I can't deny the objective potential in your I don't know, Sanctuous Ranch idea because what that means is the bi your idea is so good.
It's overcoming the bias or at least the neutrality. You want someone you don't want a bunch of yesmen in your business venture because they're just going to constantly tell you you've got a great idea." So, that's basically what this guy did. If the banks had been involved and they're just like, "Look, I don't care what it is. I don't care if you're selling religious items. I don't care if you're selling tires. Make it make sense on paper. And if you can't convince somebody who's a completely neutral and removed party, they're well, they're not neutral. They want a return. Like, look, if I'm going to give you the money now, I at least want it back with some of the profit you've made. Otherwise, why would I give you the money?" Uh, if you can't convince those people, your idea sucks just on its face. So the fact he he couldn't get loans from private private investors, dude, private there, you can get investment seed money for any stupid idea these days. The fact he couldn't do that or didn't know how to do it, huge red flag. So what did he turn to? He turned to these poor individuals and basically turned them into his bank.
Well, I' I'd hate to say it, but you know, if they can get this to go to court, if they can get 12 former employees turn character witnesses against Dan Civigney.
>> Oh, yeah. 100%.
>> Th this this lawyer just has to, man, I think we need to go to court, man. I think we need to go to I think we need to hear this in front of a jury. Like, what's Dan supposed to say? Hey, Nick, come up. You know, when I was you cussing in front of you that first time we met, that was a joke, man. I don't cuss. I never do. Those leak tapes are fake. It's like, no, everybody knows you.
>> Yeah. I mean, look, I deal with I deal with a lot of clients who range from completely competent to completely incompetent.
I I just I just know I know that what these guys are saying is true because it's not just one or two because if you have a disgruntled employee, you have a disgruntled employee. They have a disgruntled workforce. That means there's a systemic problem here. It's it smells awful. Like I I would, you know, cuz sometimes I get some clients, I'm like, "Dude, I just really don't want to do business with you. If these plaintiffs came to me and I was a plaintiff's attorney, I would have no problem here. No qualms. I don't know.
Other people are making evidence for you publicly.
>> Well, that's also the problem, man, is like you hired a bunch of character witnesses.
He stabbed himself in the back. You're like, "Oh, I've got this great idea. I'm going to defraud everybody through a public social media platform."
>> Well, okay. Now all the evidence is there.
>> 2,000 views. No, I made money. I swear I'm going to pay him back. You literally celebrate. They could pull in an expert witness. They'll pull in setup of a contante expert social media witness like setup in your professional opinion.
Does 2,000 views warrant on YouTube warrant a celebration? You'd be like, "No, >> no, you have to be Taylor Marshall getting 100,000 views." Do you know that nobody else figured this out except for like people like me who watch other podcasts like Debbie kind of figured it out, but he didn't do it properly. The money's on live live shows. If you put out a link to give me money in the live show and I'll read your chat. We'll stop the show and read your chat, people will give you money. Like you can make hundreds of dollars there. Um Nick Ricada, do you know who that guy is?
He's a YouTube uh lawyer guy. At one point he's he's doing he's pulling in tens of thousands of dollars per stream.
>> Yes.
>> Like why? It's like cuz that person's comment man, they need to be read. They need to go to the front of the line.
I'll give you 10 bucks. Just get me to the front of the line.
Pis Falcon Plus's platform was to not do the exact opposite. Dan Civney had no idea what the meta is for content. And Steven Cox has told me that too. He's like, "How are you driving traffic unless 90% of it's free because that's the model everyone uses, >> right?" Um, well, that's a great reminder if anybody has I haven't had a single See, I'm too generous. So, I read everybody's I'm not going to put up anybody's comment until you super chat me.
I think I've gotten four. I got my analytics back yesterday. I've gotten four super chats uh total.
Um but yes, if you if you guys want to put up a super chat, I will read it.
Actually, you guys have a lot I have not put up.
>> Well, there's a lot of the S Pagante trolls in the chat as well.
Uh, well, I haven't seen a pure like, "Do we have a pope fight breaking out?"
Which is literally what happened.
>> Oh, can can I just say this because this really annoys me. So, Kevin Davis said, "Of course I knew Pi Spelton Plus was a grifter thing from day one. I smelt it out." No, you didn't. Nobody knew >> from Berlin. That's He's kind of far away.
>> No. And we just all assume I'm right. I must say everything I say is true.
Everyone who disagrees with me isn't true. They're grifterers. If you have the documents, you can say that. If you have evidence, you can say that. That's why we didn't do a show. I I was sat on it for like a day or two and Chris Jackson and I were DMing and we're like, "Can I even talk about Vulgar CEO or will he sue me?" We're like, "Yeah, oh wait, all this is public? Yes, freedom of speech. This is fantastic.
>> He's also a public figure." Oh, so I should have led with that with my defamation disclaimer. Look, if you defame a p a a a private in first off, defamation I'm actually really good at defamation suits because in law school they made like three years of my life was like you have to learn defamation.
We had to mock trial it.
>> So I know defamation inside and out.
Defamation is insanely difficult to prove just in general. It's almost impossible with a public figure. If somebody and Dani is a a public figure, he is.
>> Mhm. Maybe if he had kept his mouth shut and let his content creators be the public figures, that would be different.
But he is not. He is a public figure.
You can literally almost say anything you want about Dan Vigny at this point.
I mean, you can't make things up you know not to be true, but you like you and I could posit that Dan Vigny is actually a transvasite right now and we wouldn't get in trouble. I mean, he could sue because as your family knows, you can any idiot can sue, but it'll blow on summary judgement. It it'll just it'll cost you like a few grand in legal fees and that's it. That's like he's not going to win that. Okay. I got Wow, a lot of super chats. Hello from Baltimore. Love your content. James Delaney. Thanks, James. Um Ryan loves Nova Sword. No, I don't. Jim, he keeps trying to get He says that um because most Catholics have had to endure years of the Nova, I have to go to Novasordo boot camp and be re-educated and I refuse. Uh, and then we have JT Groe, who's had some really good comments, but he just left two hours of Thanks, guys.
Um, yeah, I don't want to be Dan right now, man.
Because And so, let me let me explain for some other people. If you don't respond to a lawsuit within like whatever the statutory timeline is, you just auto lose. So, he can't just scam his way out of this at this point. Meaning, all the money that he doesn't have and he's going to have to somehow find uh is going to have to go to an attorney, which at this point it's very clear he does not have one. I will tell you this, if you don't have an attorney, not only does it not help your case because you're typically you're going to lose on like a procedural thing. It's it's a lot of it is procedure.
Um, it's a it's going to be a bad situation for the plaintiffs, too, because everything gets messed up and so the plaintiff has to kind of help the defense. It's it's the the judge is going to lose her mind. So, he's digging himself a hole, too, because you want to keep the judge at least neutral to you.
>> If you start pissing her off, I think it's a woman. If you start pissing her off, she's just going to rule against.
>> Well, if you're going to have a human sympathy story like the Omahon, it would be wonderful if he said, "No, no, no.
the the agreements were not exactly as stated in we have documents, we're going to produce them. Uh the stories are a little tilted. It would be nice cuz when there's a human story to go with, that's what tends to catch other human beings eyes. Just not like he owe money, money not there like James says, I love the novasordo. Okay, Jim.
>> No one ever.
>> Okay. Touch of troll super tense.
>> Jim, you Jim, you would be a really good lawyer for Dan because he needs a a BS artist right now.
>> Yes. I always had millions of dollars and I would have made Abate a millionaire.
>> What's the penalty for auto losing?
Well, you whatever what they claim usually like look the court what the judge will do is they'll look like do you have any evidence that you actually gave him 500 or whatever the money was.
He's like yes here's the evidence. Okay, you automatically I issue this order that you owe this person that money and if he doesn't have it um or he like let's say he's he goes into contempt of court and he just says like screw you all I'm not paying. Well then he goes to jail. Uh but what he'll basically do is he'll be threatened with it first, then he'll go to bankruptcy.
Um it's this is going to be a multi-year saga, >> which is great for setup content. He is loving this. He's going to get so much content.
>> Um >> probably not.
>> It's like I have to buy all the documents now, but you know.
>> Yeah, there needs there needs to be, man, because they're going to have to sell this off. Um I I I said in my private chat today with which Jim's part of um I said uh the the whole brand is screwed. So so they're they're switching CEOs but but integrity and reputation is huge in this industry.
Not not just this industry because like look Michael Loftton rebranded himself.
>> Yeah, he's boring.
>> I think he's doing fine with the rebrand. Um, so you can rebrand, but the point is if if you've been caught doing what this is, and your business model is getting people to trust you, aka your content creators, nobody like nobody's going to join this again. Um, I mean, I'm not kidding. Go watch the new CEO's video. It look I'm pretty sure Dan Sven is holding the man hostage. It does not look like a comfortable situation. By the way, that's a joke, Dan. And don't come after me. Like, and by the way, guys, I I have to say this and I keep plugging it on Twitter. If you get a contract from a religious guy who owns a ranch, just DM me, okay? DM me. I'll give you a reduced rate.
It will not I'm telling you, it will cost you pennies on the dollar compared to if you actually sign that. And then you got to pay. Hold on.
>> Amanda L. James Law. Oh no. Lauram ipsum dollar.
>> She has I I guarantee you her rate is 500 an hour for this shitty website.
>> Really?
>> Maybe >> maybe lower because she's solo practice.
But like dude, the mar like the margin I would say this. If you're a solo practitioner, you can charge a little lower rates because you don't have a ton of overhead.
But the margins don't make sense south of 350 an hour. And to write up what to write up even that short 10 pager that's 10 billable hours because you got to do the re you got to do the research, you got to do the case law citations, you've got to talk to the people, you've got to gather the evidence. It's actually probably like 20 hours. Now discovery, let me tell you this. They're gonna docky dump all of Dan's [ __ ] onto that attorney's desk. It's gonna be a file. Old school would have been a desk. Each file that that woman reads is a 2 billable.
So you just open it. You scan it real quick. Ah, this doesn't 22.
That's how I get my billables up. 22 point 2. So that's why a lot of people don't want to get to discovery. I know set AP is like we got to do discovery.
You are going to bleed out in legal fees during discovery.
>> So if you want if you really spend the money on a good attorney that gets you through summary judgement.
>> Like if you're the defense >> or if you're the plaintiff, settle it at summary judgement. I don't care if you have to spend 20 30 grand on the attorney. They're not point twoing you to death during discovery.
That's a $250. Sorry. Unless that's a $250 super chat. We're not reading this.
By the way, for anybody who thinks I'm like being super greedy here, I donate all of my income to the SSPX.
Um, so I say that probably every show just so that people know. Um, and I will publicly release it. It's all sitting in YouTube escrow right now because I haven't updated my tax form. So, I have all this money, all $200 sitting in YouTube and it says that I have to update my taxes or they will take 40%.
Um, all right. So, that I mean that's that's pretty much that's the breakdown.
Uh, Dan's in trouble.
Well, hold on. I have to correct this even though he didn't super chat me.
It's almost worth it for every single adult in America to just go to law school after college. No, do not do it.
Oh, this is what I'll say. If there's any young people in the chat who are actually like legitimately considering law school, only go and and focus on a type of law that will make you money.
Do not go and try to save the immigrants or get into divorce law.
go business, data privacy, healthcare, just focus on industries that are making money and go and be that type of lawyer.
How is this not a criminal case? It could be a criminal case, but you as an individual can't sue.
So, so there's two types of of cases.
There's criminal and civil. This is civil because it's brought by an individual. the state, the government of Texas or supposedly the feds, but they won't. It would have to be like the attorney general from Texas would think that this was worth it. Um, >> dare we hope.
>> He probably doesn't care. That would be hilarious.
>> Hey, we got Father Gecko in the chat.
Hello, Father.
Giving to the Suspects with the you YouTube. I don't know what Vidge means.
Um, don't Yeah, but anyways, don't go to law school.
Wait, they were up 50%.
Too many people, my point is too many people go to law school. Like I wanted to be an attorney since I was four and I never like and that never stopped. It's like I knew but so many people like I guess I'll go to law school. Those people end up in horrible debt, chained to a chair because they have to pay off the debt. They basically became Dan Simini in a law firm, but they got paid.
So, you know, >> law school is a better career option than Sus Ranch. I'll I'll put it that way.
>> Then then weekend hospitality.
>> Is that what your family does? Because you know a lot about >> Yeah.
>> I don't want to >> I've done my whole life literally since I was seven. Like to me it it doesn't even appear on my brain when I go to work. It's like time out usually >> unless I really want to edit something.
>> Danney is working 50 weekends a year >> doing hospitality work. This pelican thing needs to take off for him.
>> He needs he needs an exit.
>> Um I was going to say something I completely forgot. Um >> dang it.
>> I hate when that happens. So the recap is essentially Dan started getting loans when he started Sus Ranch when it was under a different name. Has never finished paying off any of them. Keeps getting more loans. Keeps needing more money. We got to find out whether he's got a money problem. A big black hole in his pocket. Whether it's his wife, his kids, himself, alcohol, guns, dogs. We don't know. It could be any of these things. I >> I think it's all of his failed business ventures at this point. I think I think if he was actually just like overspending that ship sailed a long time ago. I think now it's 10 years worth of failed business ventures. Um >> I don't know.
>> Does Taylor Marshall own a ranch?
Because he's always posing with his cows. Okay, >> he owns a ranch.
Dan needs to call him because I I don't see uh I mean I know Taylor, you know, he promotes his books and such, but I I just uh I think there's better ranchers out there.
It is it is something though to say that uh it's sad that this happened in our community, you know, the human sympathy story.
>> Yeah. I mean, >> but if this comes to light, that's better. That's good for everyone. Which is the whole reason why I was going to write something up for integrity. It's just like, you know, the more everybody, okay, Dan, it's time to come to the Lord and beg forgiveness cuz like half of the people those at least those Omahones, they're like trying to be solid traditional Catholics. I think that's what the impression they were trying to give was a lot of their employees trying to be Catholic. And then here's Dan Civney trying to make chatt slavery apparently cuz he's Abbott. It's like what?
>> Yeah. I mean, well, that's the thing is like I think in Nick's video, Nick basically lambasted traditional Catholicism. It's like, whoa, whoa. And a lot of people are doing that now.
>> Yeah.
>> You guys got to chill out here. Like, first off, >> the entire world was traditionally Catholic before the council. So, what?
Like, no, that's not the problem. Like, also, this was coming from Mr. Guitar Strummer just four years ago. Like Dan Signnney is not he's a grifter. He found something that was growing which is traditionalism. And look, we all need to be aware of this guys. Like this is because it's all over the news and when something's in the news, people start, you know, looking to make a buck and they're realizing that traditional Catholicism is on the rise. There's a reason that Dan made the switch from novasuroto charismatic to traditionalist, which is what I my channel mostly focuses on is that statistics show anyone who practices in a traditional manner grows. Um, yeah. What is Let's see. Ranch is a euphemism in Sorry, wrong comment.
Runway. It's actually Irish whiskey, which is close enough. Irish whiskey is like the white claw of whiskey.
Bush Mills, apparently Catholic.
I really want to remember what I was trying to think because I thought it was it was good a good thing for us to kind of wrap up on because we're at about an hour and a half. Um, yeah. I mean, oh yeah, this is what I want to talk about. This is really bad for their brand, which was already suffering because it's all PR in this game. And I mean, how can a person at this point, even if you're just I don't know how much it costs on a monthly basis. Let's say it's 15 bucks.
Nothing to break the bank.
What is the the taste in your mouth to consume that content? Because I think that was something Nick also said. He's like, "Yeah, go check out Pelican Plus.
Separate Dan from the art."
I mean, I don't do that with Rupnik.
Well, his art's [ __ ] anyways. But from what I hear, I don't I've never seen a single Pelican Plus video, but from what I hear, it seems like they can't even figure the camera out. So, Bush Mills is not pro. Is it really?
Well, then someone lied to me on Twitter.
I'll sue them for fraud.
>> Yay. As long as I'm not getting sued, lawsuits are good.
Did your family make it out okay on that?
>> Yeah, we well they we had set everything up so they couldn't have gotten anything anyway. It was actually a clerical error that caused the entire event. But my dad did get a was did get a deposition and I read the transcript 80 pages of him being talked to and like >> you're just like wow I didn't know all this about my dad. I wish everyone get a deposition so I could figure out who they are >> cuz he's having to recall events that happened in like 91. Like it's all over the place and he's just like, you know, well, if this this happened and this name and like I remember that name growing up. Oh >> no, no. If if this gets to that case, Dan is going to be toast.
>> I would love to depose Dan.
>> Dude, this would be fantastic.
>> So, um, hold on. I need to speak out if I'm drinking Protestant >> cuz I don't Everyone says uh uh Jameson is Catholic and I don't like the way Jameson tastes.
All right. AI says it's a popular cultural myth.
I'm going to need to do more research, but I'm getting I'm getting mixed reviews on this. Um, Guinness is Protestant though. That I know. Um, so this is so this is something I think people would enjoy this. This is how I prep clients for depositions if they're being deposed.
We'll we'll we'll do a little trial here.
>> Okay. Set AP, you're my client. I'm trying to get you ready for deposition.
If you're going to be proposed, >> I'm gonna give you a sample question and I want to see how you respond.
>> Okay. Ready? Set AP. What time is it?
>> It is 7:10.
>> No, >> it is 7.
>> So, this is So, if I if I ever ask you if I ever depose you and I say, >> "All right, we'll try it again." Zap, do you know what time it is?
Yes, it's 7:00 1000 p.m. I don't know.
>> No, no. Wrong. Wrong again. This is how this is what you say. Someone says you're in a deposition. They ask you and you're being deposed and they say, "Do you know what time it is?" You say this.
Yes.
That's it. You divulge as little information as possible.
>> I hate you all. I I I understand it when I see it on paper. I understand when I think about it, analyzing it.
>> Yeah. This is actually what I do in my show is I analyze statements like wait no what you just said >> has these consequences but when it's when it's given to me the the kid in me comes out has no control whatsoever. No, I mean all of all of all all all of my clients fail that initial test because it seems like the implication is clearly you want to know, >> but that's the thing in depositions is you get like I know when I'm deposing someone if somebody is really well prepared because they start getting like really quirky like that. They get really guarded. They get cy. But then you get the next person and they're just all over the place and you know and you see their lawyer sweating it. Can we take a break? No.
By the way, if anybody watches suits, those depositions are so inaccurate. They last 10 seconds.
They're like, "This deposition's over."
But you can't just claim the deposition's over. I also don't necessarily recommend that show. It's It's highly vulgar, but um Bush Mills is from Belfast. You willy Gawker Protestant. All right. Somebody lied to me. Somebody on Twitter like that [ __ ] And it's kind of good. It's better than Jameson.
No rescue is fully Protestant. Too much Catholic DNA. Jameson is the Republican drink. Guinness is loyalist.
Nobody knows what they're talking about in the chat. All right. If you don't put You don't put money behind your opinion, I don't trust it.
Here we go. The Law Tube Show with TM Ryan.
Uh, SP, would you have a Do you have a whiskey recommendation as we wrap up?
>> No, I drink whatever my So, my little brother and my youngest brother, he makes all the drinks and I usually just drink whatever he gives me.
>> Do you have a >> Or go and open up the cabinet and I just take something out. I drink White Russians and that's about it. Or or um Irish coffee. Those are the only two things I actually know how to make.
>> Guinness for me.
This is the only female set of a contest I know.
Really? I know a bunch.
>> Probably in person.
>> Christine Christine's very nice.
>> Oh yeah, she's very >> There was a There was a joke going around that um >> Oh my goodness. Oh yeah, I was crashing out about that because of his.
>> Do you want to uh do you want to end the last 20 minutes talking about what the hell is going on on Twitter recently?
Because >> Yes. Okay, this is accurate. Chartreuse is made by monks. It's very difficult to find.
Uh because after co co with everybody staying home got people into cocktails.
>> Uh and so and the chartreusian monks do not meet demand because they're not a business. So they said no we are not just going to like stop praying to make you guys more alcohol. So the demand went up and the supply stayed the same.
Um, it's it's a at a one bottle per customer limit still 5 years after CO at my local liquor store. But it's >> you can make a prohibition drink called the last word.
Do >> you know typically you have two drinks, you're still good to drive.
>> Two sips of that, two sips of the last word and you can no longer drive. But it's excellent and you need to use green shirts. But okay, so what is going on?
I mean, it's so exhausting at this point. Have we seen any like Okay, if people don't know, Sedap and I pretty much live on Twitter for our content ideas, if you will. Well, I do. You you watch people's shows, which I suppose is your penants.
Twitter has, I think, since Leo just dul in our circles in the trad circles, people who are, you know, sympathetic to preconcealer practices at least. It's just been all out war with what I call set in and trades and and trades.
And it got really bad about a month ago.
I made a video on it. You reviewed it. I listened to it. Good video.
Uh, and I thought, okay, people people just got exhausted, so they finally stopped squawking at each other. And you had your typical, you know, suspects, Anthony Bate, uh, Chris Jackson, Steven Cox, Matt Aspers. Um, those are the four horsemen at this point, I think. But everybody else got like Kevin Kevin Davis was like, I'm tired and I'm going to >> Oh, he crashes out every two months. He can't handle it. He gets up, gets up, and then it just like drops off.
>> I'm gonna I'm gonna go back being nice.
Um I could tell, dude, Father Gekko was like in the thick of it, and he just dropped off the face of the earth. I think, you know, I I I talked to him and he he's got a bunch of stuff going on in his uh with his priesthood, but I think he's in the chat. I'd venture to guess he just got sick of it all. So anyways, and I worked hard because you know, and I I had a video basically quasi calling for peace, not on the differences, but just like guys, like shut up. It reminded me of Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro when like you could tell there was tension because they were subweeting each other all the time. And then Candace was like, "You're an absolute psychopath. Everybody in the office is walking on eggshells around you." And I'm like, "Oh shit." Like now now the drama is spilling out. And it's exactly what's been going on here. And it's like every week people are like, "All right, we've made peace." And then someone puts a tweet out and they all start fighting at each other again. It's like dogs fighting over food. What What's your take on this? Like what what the hell is going on? Cuz I'm honestly getting to the point it used to be entertaining and I'm just like my head hurts. I can't even I I turned off Twitter, which I've never done for a whole day yesterday pretty much.
>> Yeah. I This is usually my uh no Twitter day. um or else Saturdays. No, it's no Saturdays. I I try to play video games on Saturday. Um so there's a bunch of things and that is first off you have the terminally online align people. Like there's some cities who just literally terminally online just nagging. Oh my goodness. The nagging never stops.
>> Well, it's not just I was also thinking like this behavior is is literally nagging like women.
>> Yeah. And all treads said he's non tread. They'll be like, "Women need to respect the man and stop nagging." I'm like, "You guys act, you guys, you guys have talked about the dude." Uh, who's the feminist guy? Uh, >> Wagner.
>> No, no, no, no. Um, the angry one who's always yelling at the Dyer, at Jay Dyer.
He was friends with Taylor Marshall for a while.
>> Oh, Timothy Gordon.
>> Timothy Gordon talks about women so much he's starting to PMS like one. Uh, >> yes.
>> Sorry, I I interrupted your stream of >> No, no, but that's the same thing. It's the people, they have the one line that they they pair it and they say it and then they just keep saying it and it should be done saying and it just they just keep saying it. They've ran out of content. They just keep repeating themselves. I've said this about most streamers. The reason I don't do a show where I talk is because I I become self-conscious. I've said the same thing. I purposely forget every single show I do so I don't remember the jokes so I don't reuse the jokes because I will hear my own jokes in my head again.
Like Krisco and Salsa is not happening again cuz Krisco was the joke. The guy's actual name is Salsa so that's going to always happen. But like I can't do that all the time. But on Twitter, no. People don't they don't act that way. Like especially um Abate, he's >> he's extroverted. So every time he sees the notification going on, he's like, "Haha."
So like, >> he sucked into it.
>> He drives a lot of this. Like I don't think people understand how much of a troll he is.
And I mean that's part of trolling is you got to convince people you're serious. He literally called for like a Godfather type piece with all these waring factions. Quote tweeted himself and baited again. I'm like, you guys, like, you got to figure out what he's doing.
It's so funny. And then I thought cuz that tweet I thought about and I was like, oh, like that's [ __ ] Okay, Dom, we're done here. They're like, wait, no, that's actually a brilliant tweet because if we got those eight people, it would be >> that would be the worst show ever.
>> Well, good and bad. I don't know how it would go.
>> It would be horrible because like half of them have nothing in common to talk about.
>> They're just toxic to each other.
>> Yeah. Well, I think um so I I had a show with uh a urine interview with Pope Leo and I had Matt Gaspers on and somebody >> Oh, I lost my mind.
>> Somebody dared me to put Chris Jackson on. I'm like, "Dude, I should do a parent trap."
Uh, >> and see if I can see if I could live stream it fast enough before someone drops off the stream and just but like I I don't see anybody's opinion being changed and I think it's just ruining Well, I don't you know, you have a different take obviously because you enjoy and get a ton of content out of it. I'm like my head hurts reading.
Well, there is an actual problem with the inks. And so the definition of an ink is anyone who proposes content but refuses to platform a the opposite side or engage in dialogue with them.
Essentially, that's it. So like Kevin Davis is an inc because he actually has CMRI priests who tell him what he can and can't do, right? That we're not complaining that it's good or bad. It's just a it's just a fact.
>> Sante, >> it's more manicured.
>> Yeah. Satie Pante can do literally anything he wants. He doesn't because he has pairings. That's the only thing that really bo My dad watches my show recently.
So I I And then I get DMs from uh meaning of chicken if I go too far.
Other than that, no one cares what I do.
So you get different people that they only do some content and then we all react to those people and they do the same exact content next week and then we all react to them again. And it's it's really confusing because they're not talking to us and we're not talking to them, but we're literally talking to each other.
>> It's subtweets. It's subtubing.
>> Yeah.
>> Um it's super passive aggressive. I've actually I've talked to people on both sides and told them all to cut it cut it out. They're like, "Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right." And then like the next day they're like, "Stephen Cox is a bad actor." Like Matt Casper is using personal insults. I just I mean we're around adults here, guys.
Like this is getting ridiculous. Um it's it's very fascinating. I just uh you know I do think that they'll either all get tired out or people will stop.
>> No.
>> Um >> it's a video game and you're the game.
You don't get tired out.
>> This is like it's a gotcha game. This Twitter is literally a gotcha game with little Asian girls, but you're the Asian girls. You just haven't figured it out yet.
>> Hey, Anthony. Anthony Anony's in the chat. He must have just finished up his uh What is Celliccast? I hear you guys.
>> It's an inside joke. It's an inside joke.
>> Yeah. Okay. That's what I figured.
>> It's someone else. So, when I left, I rage quit the internet. They made Sailic Cast to tease me to coming back, which made me rage out on Sailiccast. And then afterwards, it became a stream of raging out. And then it became a stream of annoying me. And then like I've then subverted them now and then they lost interest and now it's sometimes it just is a joke at this point. It's a running gag that doesn't exist I guess.
>> Okay. I figured because every time I watch your show they're talking about it.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. An Anthony definitely figured out the Twitter game.
>> Yeah.
>> But the set >> Noises have no idea.
>> Okay. So have you ever gone to a traditionalist parish? You see the the same stereotypes. They're all there in every single one. Like the mom with nine kids in a 15 passenger van.
>> Okay?
>> Right? You know who that person is without ever having talked to them. They they all say the same exact thing. Moms with nine kids always have big personalities. You can just go up and get adopted. Just go talk to the mom, she'll talk to you.
>> It's the funniest thing ever. I literally went to Texas last year and did that. I saw the person. Okay. Hi.
Hey. Is this where all the the refugees from that false religion Vatican do hang out? And she's like, "Yes." She took her a while to process why I was talking to her, but she's like, "Yes." And like, you know, come on kids, let's go to church. Don't pay attention to this weird adult, but that person exists everywhere.
>> So then like when you're on the internet, the the same kinds of things exist.
>> I don't know why, but >> right. So that's how Abate can get them all because he's figured the algorithm out.
Well, so it's funny because Anthony um Anthony on one of his shows, I don't watch every show, but when I can, I've watched I watch a lot of AB. And he talked about how he was exper this was like a year ago, he was experimenting with the Twitter algorithm, and he figured out that a tweet an hour >> was the right uh rate of tweeting. So, I started following that just because like if I'm going to put something out publicly, I don't want to get buried. But I think I've figured out just watching Anthony that that's not true anymore. I think the algorithm has changed because he'll tweet like every 30 minutes or something. It's not like cadenced or anything, but it's definitely more than once an hour. Uh, and I started noticing that too. Like if I tweet about Red Dead Redemption, which I've done like twice in my life, Twitter will just promote it to everybody.
>> So it's more about like what you're what you're stirring up. Um, Yeah. And it alerts all of the channels that follow those keywords. So, I've done I did a a test one day. I put out a right-wing tweet and then a leftwing tweet. The right-wing tweet got like eight replies. The left got zero. I was like, "Oh, so Twitter knows my audience is primarily right-wing." So, it just automatically isn't going to boost the other one.
>> Interesting. So, this was creepy. And I mean, I'm I'm in data privacy, so I know this this happens, but it's still creepy. I had a high school friend of mine, she's Catholic, and she shared with me Wes Huff's like six reasons I'm not Catholic >> on on a private group chat. And then my Twitter feed five minutes later was feeding me Wes Huff. And you can see it today. I responded to Wes Huff and basically told him he was an idiot. Uh, and I was like, and then everything cuz my entire timeline has been freaking Matt Casper's set of that's all it is. You know, obviously I can do the the toggle between for you and who I'm following.
But the whole for you is always better because it's keeps you addicted. That's the point for it.
>> No, it's horrible. Oh, >> and it was all Anthony and Matt Gaspers and then Steven Cox would join it and then Chris Jackson would be like, "Let me give you 10 pages of text." He's like, "Dude, Chris." Um, >> so I showed my DMs once to Phil Gonzalez and it was like 25 texts from Chris Jackson and like me responding with emojis.
This is one day >> Chris Jackson will literally DM me his latest tweet that he thinks is so great.
So that I don't know what he wants me to do. He is such a boomer. It is hilar. I love the guy. Hilarious. But I'm like, Chris, >> it's more fun than the rest of Twitter.
>> He doesn't I can tell Boomer Taylor Marshall's the same. Taylor Marshall does not understand like internet humor that us youngsters like know like I know if I want somebody to understand that I'm trolling you and I'm not like being a dick. I do an LOL or a smile like a laughing face. The boomers don't understand it. So like they'll think I'm being an [ __ ] I'm like, "Dude, I I said LOL. Hello." Like, all the Zoomers understand, like, he's he's he's trolling, being funny. And so Chris Jackson will take a tweet of mine that I clearly meant as humorous. And he writes me like six paragraphs. He's like, "Set Inc. is being passive. They need to be more active. Stephven Cox is not responding to the contro." I'm like, "Bro, it was a meme." Like, so so Chris Jackson decides it's his personal mission to make other people talk to each other and then does all the talking. It's the greatest thing ever.
And I'm sitting here with my feed completely filled with the Bate and just being like, should I DM every single SI and say stop responding to them or should I mute every single SI cuz I don't follow a bate. I don't want to go to war with them. I respect them as a human being enough to never want to talk to him ever again.
I see nothing but him every single day.
And then you get you I had a priest um an SSBX resistance priest being like, "Dude, I was loving you responding to Abate." It's like, "Oh, great. Thanks.
Thanks. Thanks. You too." Like >> Elon Musk is just conning all of us right now and making us fight. Uh >> it's it's it's all >> Anthony Anthony this is the last I Anthony joined a little late but uh set told me how to make money which is actually Anthony what you said is you charge people for super chats and so this is your last freebie Anthony you're going to have to super chat me if you want me to read again but said AP he wants to send you a message I'm like the arbitrator here put you in separate rooms Um, I do uh data privacy, uh, cyber security, and oddly enough, healthcare.
Uh, yeah, I don't know what I don't know what the hell is going on, but I'm getting tired of it. It's kind of funny because a lot of these content creators who are self-conscious like you understand. Like Anthony openly talks about it. He'll say like, "Look, we've got to change it up. We can't just keep talking about Vatican 2 or we can't just keep talking about the JQ." the ones who are self-conscious.
>> Thank Thank God for that.
>> I think well I mean what what else can you say? Like >> it's been said a million times, but I'm hoping that eventually the the Twitter sphere will just get tired of it and the algorithm will stop. I'm fine with having the the discussion. I'd actually love to have an actual debate. Um I've seen them. They're, you know, but I don't know. Do we think that any set of a contest has become RNR or any RNR has become set of a contest?
>> Well, I know of I know of one who >> I know runs both both directions >> over twitter wars. Really?
>> No, Leo.
>> Oh, yeah. Of course, Leo. Leo. But I was just wondering over Oh, thank you, Ant.
He's a top spender today.
>> I literally stopped sending them money because they wouldn't read my super chips and I was going to send them a real nasty one and I stopped reading them. I was like, "No, you have to read my super tip." Anthony, for $9.99, I'll gladly super chat. I'm not cheap like AB fans. Thank you, Anthony.
>> What happens if you invert 999? It's >> 67.
>> Um, yeah. So, I'm just hoping that the Tradars will die. I'm fine with TD Wars, but it's just been too much lately. And so, I hope I know it's not YouTube.
People aren't except me talking about it on YouTube. I'm talking about it about how we should stop talking about it.
>> Well, part of the problem has been like there's a certain amount of dishonesty on both sides like this thesis clergy not answering objections or just random people giving their personal interpretations of theology.
Like I don't do theology. I'm a philosopher. I take your idea and I try to see where it leads me logically. I'm not doing like Yes. And then Robert Balamine commented on this in the third book of the second part of the third part and said like I'm not doing that.
That's what actual theologians do and like no one does it. They just like I read it and that's it. Like >> I I don't There was a moment I forget what debate it was. I think it might have been Matt Gaspers and Father Gekle, but it was and it might not have been.
So, so I'm not trying to bring that up, but it was Satocontist and RNR. And they were like, well, this saint said in his diary, I'm like, guys, you are so losing the plot at this point.
Like, we want to talk about infallibility. And they're like, well, this saint once said in a private diary that might not have been approved by the bishop, but I'm going to rest my entire argument on this. And I'm like, do you understand how you guys sound to each other? I'm this was this was both the set and the RNR were doing this. I'm like, >> I know we did the same thing to Chris Jackson when he was on my show. They were like, well, this is how I understand it. It's like I just told Chris Jackson it's a mystery.
>> I mean, >> that that seems to be the correct answer. Hey, what's the problem in the church? Oh, the church is the hierarchy and the faith seem to have split into two separate entities. How do we solve this?
>> That's why so a lot of people actually I'll say this because you were you're here and I watch your show and by the way uh >> oh >> I know you insult me but you have my permission to do it cuz one you're funny two it's what you need for your content.
Um and three I don't take it personally.
That's the other thing. What like these Twitter wars are going on because everybody's acting like little girls. Do you know how many set of contests say the most terrible things about me? I saw you announced it and someone's like, "You're going on with that idiot." It was I think it was Phil Gonzalez.
>> He's not Sad. He's Novasordo.
>> Oh, really?
>> Yes.
>> I can never tell the difference. I have to go to your bio first because they make the same arguments. You have to submit to the Pope and everything he freaking >> No, he just he just hates everybody and he does a show with me once a week on progressive.
>> Interesting. Okay. So, I thought it but my point is I was in I I think I was on Steven's show. I was on Steven's shows and Anthony Abate had given me a tequila recommendation and I thought, >> well, it's Steven's show and it's just going to be friendly. So, I'm like three tequilas deep and they're like, Ryan, let's formally debate set of accomplishments. And the arrogance in me was like, yeah, I'll I'll give it a shot. Even though I like as soon as I started engaging, I was like, this is a mistake. I wasn't I was like, "Dude, I I did like one Google search this morning and um I was getting eviscerated in the chat. Not from like a theological standpoint, but they were just like they were like he it was getting pretty bad."
And uh I was getting angry. I didn't show it, but I was getting angry. And then something flipped in my brain. I was just like, "Why don't you just laugh at this?" Like they were taking it so freaking serious.
And that's what a lot of people need to do online, man. like you guys got to chill. Chris Jackson, Matt Caspers, Steven Cox, like relax a little. You can have really deep arguments.
Um, but there's got to be a chill switch, man. Like, and that's like I don't care when I watch your show and you say that TLM Ryan's an idiot because I just don't give a [ __ ] >> I literally say about everyone who's not a priest and except for Taylor Marshall.
>> Well, that's what you have to understand, too, is one Why? Why do you give a [ __ ] what some YouTuber or Twitter troll says about you?
>> Um, also I can tell the ones Oh, it's not I'm going to make a gross generalization here. I think the ones that aren't married tend to take it like a little too personally what someone says about them on Twitter. If you're married, it doesn't matter if you have the most trad, she's going to regress towards her Eve like nature and she will nag you on occasion.
>> Mhm. So, if the set of a contest online is going to nag me a little bit, like, bro, I've heard it all before. Like, and the same with my mother. My mother's like, "No, why don't you take them to a mass?
They can understand what's being said."
Every time she visits, so no comment in the chat is going to bother me. So, SP, I like your work. Keep doing what you're doing. You can make fun of me all you want. I don't really care.
>> Yeah. And and like I've said absolutely awful things about a lot of people and they've said absolutely awful things about me too. Like this is actually just part of the game at this point. That's why the attitude I take is if it's public, if they're a public character on a show, it's it's all hands off. It's you can't dox people. You can't go after private content. Like I I'm not supposed to go after the local show. Taffee is not online as far as I can tell. So I shouldn't talk about him. But if he's online and replying to me in comments, I'm gonna go after him. It's like there there are some boundaries, but at the same time, like I play with muppets and I'm single and 38 years old. Like you don't think that the Avoiding Babylon fans have all called me a homosexual.
They all do. They all do.
>> None of them even posting like semiexplicit content on Twitter is like, "This is like Yeah. If you can if you can step into the ring with that uh dating profile.
>> I know, right?
>> You're actually >> you're more vulnerable. Like that's the thing is like you're there's tons of content you people can make about you. I don't know why they don't.
>> Uh cuz it's there's nothing to do with this. The show's funny in and of itself.
Like you also have to find what hurts people. Nothing hurts a bate.
>> No. Abate wants to be bothered. This is why um if you want to attack, you attack other people and then he gets mad and then it just devolves into [ __ ] stuff and then you get people attacking bishop sandborn and it's like wait, okay, how do we get to here? I don't know.
>> I have a few comments before we wrap.
What's the algorithm like after two? I think it's I mean I don't really care honestly.
What is mine? The SSPX won't get five more bucks. Ryan, I know that Mahoney is Would you like me to rationalize change lawyers? I'll have a I'll have a free consult with them. I I can't represent them for a variety of reasons. I don't do plaintiffs work, but I would have a free consultation with them about what to look for in a lawyer. Yeah, feel free to DM me on uh Twitter. Um the only thing I would ask is they probably sign an NDA so they don't dox me. That's I just I don't want to get you like look, the traders are ugly enough. I don't want them coming to my employer. That's the only thing. Yeah, I would be happy to. Um, you should have super chatted that by the way. Look, if you guys are gonna be if you're I'm gonna recommend a lawyer that's going to cost a little bit of money, guys. Like, you need to th What if I had missed that? You need to throw me a super chat. My word, these people.
Um, >> and look, I'm not gonna I'm not going to put up your other Who's the Texas Baron?
Texas Baron, I'm not going to put up your other super cheap comment, but I'm not going to recommend you a Catholic lawyer, per se.
Um, I know you're asking about this Catholic lawyer. Like, you want like an atheist like grinder who's like like you want Harvey Spectre, man.
Can we can we all agree that Anthony Stein is Anthony Stein?
Dude, when Anthony uh when Anthony didn't understand the Taffy video about him.
Anthony Stein is my uh George uh who Candace who's Candace's husband that's always dodging Anthony. Anthony Stein has agreed to me in writing to join my show. agreed to, which is great because I really like him. Agreed to an agenda. I told him I'd wake up at two in the morning to accommodate his insane schedule just because I I've always wanted to talk to him and interview him.
It's all going to be about him. Like he doesn't have to, you know, grab his pancreas like he's got cancer every time he talks about Jesuits. You know that.
He's like, every time he gets on the stream, he's like, "Got a new show."
No, it's going to be fun. And he won't do it. He's left me on Reed for like three months.
>> Oh man.
>> Uh, this will be on the Muppet. If he wants to, I'd gladly have him.
>> You want the Muppet or me?
>> We could do both. This is good. I mean, I like this. Um, I don't want to get you in trouble with uh >> You can't get me in trouble. The only person that gets me in trouble is um >> You're dead.
>> Low floor. Low floor to low carb. And then my dad >> George Farmer. That's it.
>> Yeah.
>> No, the the bigger issue is just, you know, scheduling because my shows take 10 hours to prep on average currently.
>> Yeah. That's why >> Last one took a lot more than 10 hours.
When I first started, I would I would record and then I tried editing once and I was like, "No, I'd rather I would rather comment in YouTube, hey, I apologize for XYZ," than spend any time.
Uh, if someone said, "Would I recommend a Jew?" Dude, I don't. It doesn't matter. I I'll give you if Pope Francis could win you the the lawsuit that See, this is the naivee I think of traditionalists. It's like they're like, "Well, like what about a Catholic lawyer?" No, you're out of the realm here. Christendom's been gone for >> There's no way.
>> No, >> there's no way >> he's here. By the way, this is another thing because we all block each other who we all fight and like there's a good amount of justification for Nick to block me completely.
We never can get over how much whether we like each other or not.
>> Oh, you guys secretly like each other.
>> No, I have no idea >> cuz I forget all of my I forget how much I hate everyone after about 3 months.
>> So, you got a goldfish brain?
>> Yeah, an emotional goldfish brain. This has not helped me in life.
Like I I told myself last August I would never talk to Abate ever again.
>> Here you are. That the reason we're on this stream together is because you and I were both commenting on his tweet.
Um Nick, welcome. We actually um Pante and I were discussing before the show.
I'm like how cool because we we've already reviewed the lawsuits. You'll have to watch that on the the playback.
Uh, I told Pante, I said, "How awesome would it be if uh traditional Thomas sent us over his contract that he signed with uh with Dan?" I didn't ask. I thought that'd be rude, but um now I'll do it in front of 350 live viewers. If you want to send it to me, we do a readown. Um said Neats Goldfish puppet show. Now I I'm I'm pleased with the the the chat.
I'm really I'm excited that a a bunch of people tuned in that I enjoy interacting with. Um, and we haven't debated whether or not Leo is an antipope yet, which we won't do today because that ruins the vibes.
>> Well, I think there's a different argument like I used in my last video that you can avoid the entire question alto together.
>> All right, let's >> I mean, you do get two problems. It's just you can't uh morally obey. You're just gnostic on the question. Like Chris Jackson, >> Chris Jackson is gnostic on the question as whether he's a pope. He just says, "I can't obey evil. I think this is evil. I can't obey it."
>> Yeah.
>> Like it's not a satisfactory answer, but like if you're not a theologian, >> if you're not Matt Gasper's reading, you know, >> paragraphs of theology, >> dude, Matt Gaspers and Chris Jackson are the same person. They don't know it because if you we've been ragging on Chris, but if you read Matt Gasper's tweets, they're just as long and he hyperlinks his sources. And um I'm actually going to do I'm going to do like a 10-minute video on my I'm going to touch on my stance on set of aantism. Not in-depth like theologian, but um how I like practically go about the crisis in the papacy. Um it'll be good content for you. Yeah, I need to um write up an article for uh Cox there and just explain how you can define the crisis without taking a position because everybody tells me there's a crisis, both sides, every single side. I have no idea what 90% of these people mean by crisis. Like there's a joke about uh when when your neighbor loses his job, it's a downturn. When his friend loses the job, it's a minor recession. But when you use your job, it's a crisis, right?
>> It's it's like, what what's the crisis?
Cuz Ryan Grant has no crisis.
>> As far as Ryan Grant's concerned, his bishop doesn't mind the TLM, so he has a TLM.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know. How can there be an objective state of crisis and one of the commentators has zero?
>> You said that about Stephen Cox on one of your last shows. like, you know, he's got his sacraments and so maybe that's good enough for him at this point.
Um, I actually I'm I'm coming out with a boom roasted Twitter thread of all my all my friends basically and I've got a really good one for Stephen. I'll give you guys a sneak peek here.
There's only the only thing more ambiguous than the second Vatican council is Steven Cox's opinion on set of the council's ambiguous.
>> Hey guys, uh I don't know about this council seems kind of ambiguous.
So back to this quote about rating. Yum.
He doesn't seem to like uh the Silas Vars very much. Yeah, >> I love Stephen and I talk a lot. We're friends. So, I have to disclaim that because again like every time like you make fun of someone, not that Stephen's a boomer, but especially with like dude, Taylor Marshall got in my mentions once and was like arguing with me on statistics. I'm like, "Bro, Taylor, like I gota call like the boomers, you have to just like calm them down." Like, listen, listen. I'm not. So, anytime anytime I insult people, I'm not actually trying to pick a fight. And if you're older than 40 and you don't understand that a laughing emoji means I'm screwing with you and I'm not being serious, like this is PSA right now. But yeah, I'm going to go after Stephen. Uh oh, I had a really good one for Anthony Abate.
Um what was it?
Oh, yeah. He he does like 20 episodes on the JQ and then he charges $5 for >> I've got good ones, man. Like I've been thinking on it.
>> So, um yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do a whole roast tweet thread coming up, so stay tuned for that. All right, guys.
It's uh thanks everyone for joining. We got 350 live viewers. Um and we got Nick in the house. We had a bate. We had Father Gecko. The Celebs showed up. Uh Nick, if you're still watching, man, and you want to send me that contract, we'll do We got to do a legal review of the contracts that the Trads are signing.
Although, I think his contract was fine from what I read. Actually, I think Dan got tripped up on it. It's whatever his uh Nick's friend >> Dan's next contract for his uh indentured servants will be. You are not allowed to talk to any daughters in this house.
>> The women of this house are off the limits, including my wife.
>> That poor woman.
>> Get off.
>> There's like the actual victim is this poor wife.
>> Yeah, his family, man. Yeah.
>> All right, guys. This has been great.
Thanks for tuning in. I think the content I we may we may do some more, but I'll talk to him in the green room, see if he's if he's open to that. Uh, nobody tells him what to do.
Thank you all for tuning in. Until my next broadcast, Godspeed.
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