Madhai Jivana Nitai Prabhu - Srimad Bhagavatam 7.1.28-29 - 21/04/2026

Added: 2026-05-04

[00:00:02][singing] >> Yamuna tira >> [singing] >> vanachari.

[00:00:17]Jaya Radha Madhava Kunjabihari.

[00:00:25]>> [singing] >> Jaya Radha Madhava Kunjabihari.

[00:00:43]>> [singing] >> Kunjabihari.

[00:00:53]Gopi jana vallabha girivaradhari.

[00:01:01]>> [singing] >> Gopi jana vallabha girivaradhari.

[00:01:18]>> [singing] [singing] >> Yashoda nandana vraja jana ranjana.

[00:01:40]Yashoda nandana vraja jana ranjana.

[00:01:51]Yashoda nandana vraja jana ranjana.

[00:01:57]>> [singing] [singing] >> Yashoda nandana vraja jana ranjana.

[00:02:15]Yamuna tira vanachari.

[00:02:24]>> [singing] >> Yamuna tira vanachari.

[00:02:34]>> [singing and music] >> Yamuna tira vanachari.

[00:02:41]Yamuna tira vanachari.

[00:02:50]Yamuna tira vanachari.

[00:02:55][singing] >> [music] >> Jaya Radha Madhava Kunjabihari.

[00:03:20]>> [music] >> Maybe we should chant auspicious mantras on the beginning of lecture.

[00:03:48]Om agyanatimirandhasya gyananjana shalakaya chakshurunmilitam yena tasmai shri gurave namaha.

[00:03:57]Shri chaitanya manobhishtam sthapitam yena bhutale svayam rupah kadam mahyam dadati svapadantikam.

[00:04:07]Vande ham shri guror shri yuta pada kamalam shri guror na vaishnavamscha.

[00:04:14]Shri rupam sagrajatam sahagana raghunathanvitam tam sajivam. Sadvaitam savadhutam parijana sahitam krishna chaitanya devam. Shri radha krishna padan sahagana lalita shri vishakhanvitamscha.

[00:04:34]He krishna karuna sindhu dina bandhu jagatpate.

[00:04:39]Gopesha gopika kanta radha kanta namostute.

[00:04:45]Taptakanchana gaurangi radhe vrindavaneshwari.

[00:04:51]Vrishabhanu sute devi pranamami hari priye.

[00:04:56]Vanchakalpatarubhyascha kripasindhubhya patitanam pavanebhyo vaishnavebhyo namo namaha.

[00:05:06]Shri krishna chaitanya prabhu nityananda shri advaita gadadhara shrivasadi gaura bhakta vrinda.

[00:05:16]Hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare.

[00:05:21]Hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare.

[00:05:27]Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya.

[00:05:36]Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya.

[00:05:46]Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya.

[00:05:59]Yes. Short introduction to new series of lectures because we jump to seventh canto of Srimad Bhagavatam instead of four which we are reading regularly because Lord Nrisimhadeva appearance day is coming soon.

[00:06:22]Therefore, in the preparation for this event, we start to meditate about Lord Nrisimhadeva teaching of Prahlada Maharaj and so on.

[00:06:42]And we start from chapter one and I would like read introduction to this chapter.

[00:06:57]Chapter First chapter of seventh canto.

[00:07:03]Yeah.

[00:07:09]Name of this chapter is the supreme Lord is equal to everyone.

[00:07:18]In this chapter, in a response to a question by Maharaj Parikshit, Sukadeva Goswami gives his conclusions concerning how the supreme personality although the super soul, friend and protector of everyone, killed the daityas, the demons, for the sake of Indra, the king of heaven.

[00:07:46]In his statements, he totally refutes the arguments of people in general who accuse the supreme personality supreme Lord of partiality.

[00:08:01]Sukadeva Goswami proves that because the body of the conditioned soul is infected by the three qualities of nature, dualities arise such as enmity and friendship, attachment and detachment.

[00:08:20]For the supreme personality of Godhead, however, there are no such dualities.

[00:08:27]Even eternal time cannot control the activities of the Lord.

[00:08:34]Eternal time is created by the Lord and it acts under his control.

[00:08:42]The supreme personality of Godhead, therefore, [clears throat] is always transcendental to the influence of the modes of nature, Maya, the Lord's external energy, which acts in creation and annihilation.

[00:09:01]Thus, all the demons killed by the supreme Lord attain salvation immediately.

[00:09:10]The second question raised by Maharaj Parikshit Maharaj concerns how Shishupala, although inimical toward Krishna from his very childhood and always blaspheming Krishna, attained salvation in oneness when Krishna killed him.

[00:09:33]Sukadeva Goswami explains that because of the offenses at the feet of devotees, two attendants of the Lord in Vaikuntha named Jaya and Vijaya became Hiranyakashipu and Hiranyaksha in Satya Yuga, Ravana and Kumbhakarna in next Yuga, Treta Yuga and Shishupala and Dantavakra at the end of Dvapara Yuga.

[00:10:05]Because of their fruitive acts, Jaya and Vijaya agreed to become the Lord's enemies.

[00:10:14]And when killed in that mentality, they attain salvation in oneness.

[00:10:22]Thus, even if one thinks of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in envy, he attains salvation.

[00:10:32]What then is to be said of devotees who always engage in the Lord's service with love and faith?

[00:10:44]Okay, and today we have verse from this chapter, but not in the beginning, but verse 28 and 29.

[00:11:04]Should we chant two of them?

[00:11:08]Uh-huh, okay.

[00:11:14]Kīṭā peśaskṛtā rudhā Kīṭā peśaskṛtā rudhā kudyāyam tam anusmaran kudyāyam tam anusmaran samrambha-bhayayogena samrambha-bhayayogena vindate tat svarūpatām vindate tat svarūpatām Kīṭā peśaskṛtā rudhā kudyāyam tam anusmaran samrambha-bhayayogena vindate tat svarūpatām Please chant.

[00:13:02]Kīṭā peśaskṛtā rudhā kudyāyam tam anusmaran samrambha-bhayayogena vindate tat svarūpatām Kīṭā peśaskṛtā rudhā kudyāyam tam anusmaran samrambha-bhayayogena vindate tat svarūpatām Kīṭā peśaskṛtā rudhā kudyāyam tam anusmaran samrambha-bhayayogena vindate tat svarūpatām Kīṭā peśaskṛtā rudhā kudyāyam tam anusmaran samrambha-bhayayogena vindate tat svarūpatām Kīṭā Um uh sorry, maybe I chant also next verse.

[00:14:59]And now this words by words translation.

[00:15:05]Kīṭā the grass worm peśaskṛtā by a bee rudhā confined kudyāyam in the hole in the wall tam that bee anusmaran thinking of samrambha-bhayayogena through intense fear and enmity vindate attains tat of that bee svarūpatām Uh the same form evam thus krishna in Krishna bhagavati the personality of Godhead māyā-manuje who appeared by his own energy in his eternal human-like form īśvare the supreme vaireṇa by en- enmity pūtapāpmāna those purified of sins tam him āpu attained anucintyā by thinking of Translation.

[00:17:17]The grass worm confined in a hole of a [snorts] wall by a bee always thinks of the bee in fear and enmity and later becomes a bee simply because of such remembrance.

[00:17:35]Similarly, if the conditioned souls somehow or other think of Krishna, who is sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha, they will become free from their sins.

[00:17:51]Whether thinking of him as their worshipable Lord or an enemy, because of constantly thinking of him, they will regain their spiritual bodies.

[00:18:04]Purport.

[00:18:06]In Bhagavad-gītā 4.10, the Lord says, vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhā man-mayā mām upāśritā bahavo jñāna-tapasā pūtā mad-bhāvam āgatāḥ Being freed from attachment, fear, and anger, being fully absorbed in Me, and taking refuge in Me, many, many persons in the past become purified by knowledge of Me.

[00:18:38]And thus they all attained transcendental love for Me.

[00:18:45]There are two ways of constantly thinking of Krishna.

[00:18:50]As a devotee and as an enemy.

[00:18:54]A devotee, of course, by his knowledge and tapasya becomes free from fear and anger and becomes a pure devotee.

[00:19:08]Similarly, an enemy, although thinking of Krishna inimically, thinks of him constantly and also becomes purified.

[00:19:20]This is confirmed elsewhere in Bhagavad-gītā 9.30, where the Lord says, api cet sudurācāro bhajante mām ananya-bhāk sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ samyag vyavasito hi saḥ Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he engages in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he's properly situated.

[00:19:54]A devotee undoubtedly worships the Lord with rapt attention. Similarly, if an enemy, sudur achara, always thinks of Krishna, he also becomes a pure devotee.

[00:20:10]The example given here concerns the grass worm that becomes bee-like because of constantly thinking of the bee in the forces it to enter a hole.

[00:20:26]By always thinking of the bee in fear, the grass worm starts to become a bee.

[00:20:38]This is a practical example.

[00:20:41]Lord Krishna appears within this material world for two purposes.

[00:20:47]Paritranaya sadhunam, vinashaya cha dushkritam.

[00:20:52]To protect the devotee and annihilate the demons.

[00:20:58]The sadhus and devotees certainly think of the Lord always. But dushkritis, the demons like Kamsa and Shishupala, also think of Krishna in terms of killing him.

[00:21:15]By thinking of Krishna, both the demons and the devotees attain liberation from the clutches of material maya.

[00:21:30]This verse used the word maya manujya.

[00:21:34]When Krishna, the supreme personality of Godhead, appears in his original spiritual potency, sambhavami atmamayaya, he is not forced to accept a form made by material nature.

[00:21:51]Therefore, the Lord is addressed as Ishvara, the controller of maya.

[00:21:59]He is not controlled by maya.

[00:22:02]When a demon continuously thinks of Krishna because of enmity toward him, he is certainly freed from the sinful reactions of his life.

[00:22:18]To think of Krishna in any way, in terms of his name, form, qualities, paraphernalia, or anything pertaining to him, is beneficial for everyone.

[00:22:33]Shrinvatam svakatam Krishna punya shravana kirtana.

[00:22:38]Thinking of Krishna, hearing of the holy name of Krishna, or hearing the pastimes of Krishna will make one pure, and then he will become a devotee.

[00:22:52]Our Krishna consciousness movement is therefore trying to introduce the system of somehow or other letting everyone hear the holy name of Krishna and take Krishna's prasada.

[00:23:08]Thus, one will gradually become a devotee, and his life will be successful.

[00:23:27]Kita presha krita rudha kudhyayam tam anusmaran sam brahma bhaya yogena vindate tat svarupatam evam Krishna bhagavati maya manujya ishvare vairena putrapam papmanas tam apur anuchintaya.

[00:23:53]A grass worm confined in a hole of a wall by a bee always thinks of the bee in fear and and in fear and enmity and later becomes a bee simply because of such remembrance.

[00:24:13]Similarly, if the conditioned souls somehow or other think of Krishna, who is sac chid ananda vigraha, they will become free from this from their sins.

[00:24:28]Whether thinking of him as the worshipable Lord or an enemy, because of constantly thinking of him, they will regain their spiritual bodies.

[00:24:45]Yes.

[00:24:47]We start our approaching seven canto of Shrimad Bhagavatam from the glories of meditation of form of the Lord.

[00:25:01]And here is for some people can be something controversial.

[00:25:07]How enemies of God by thinking about God can be how to say, liberated?

[00:25:15]Uh this is for some people this is strange, especially for the people who grow up on the west in the Christian uh philosophy in the mind.

[00:25:29]Yeah, but this verse explain that uh contact with the Lord is so powerful that even enemies of of a God, I say, can attain benefit. Yeah.

[00:25:50]And Prabhupada start his purport from the verse from fourth chapter of Bhagavad Gita.

[00:26:01]And uh name of fourth chapter is transcendental knowledge.

[00:26:08]And on this chapter Krishna start to explain his mm nature. Mm.

[00:26:18]On the beginning he explain how this knowledge came to this world by parampara system.

[00:26:27]And Krishna explain to Arjuna, yes, millions of years ago I explained this knowledge to sun God.

[00:26:36]And Arjuna is hearing, well, do you remember this? What was millions of years ago?

[00:26:46]And Krishna start to explain that actually, Arjuna, we are a little bit different.

[00:26:54]>> [laughter] [gasps] >> And he explained that I remember everything, every every my appearance on the on this world, and you you don't.

[00:27:13]And my question to you is, why?

[00:27:18]Why Arjuna don't remember and Krishna remember?

[00:27:23]What is the difference?

[00:27:35]Mm hm. Yeah, this is correct, but Krishna mentioned something else in this verses.

[00:27:53]Mm? Can you repeat the verse from Bhagavad Gita?

[00:27:58]Uh Do you want some hint? Yeah.

[00:28:04]>> [laughter] [clears throat] >> Yeah.

[00:28:09]What is the difference that Krishna remember everything and we, conditioned souls, don't remember?

[00:28:20]What was in the Maybe Rama Rama remember, but I don't remember my last >> [laughter] >> my last Yeah, it's good direction.

[00:28:42]Yes.

[00:28:44]And next step is?

[00:28:51]Very close.

[00:28:55]>> [laughter] >> Yes.

[00:29:02]But what it means eternal?

[00:29:08]Mm.

[00:29:09]Sorry that I force you, but I'm I'm a teacher and >> [laughter] >> but Yeah, you are very close.

[00:29:21]Yes, exactly.

[00:29:23]>> [laughter] >> Arjuna is changing the body and Krishna is not changing the body. He is always appear in his spiritual body. Sometimes in the form of Krishna, sometimes in the form of Lord Nrisimhadeva, but all these bodies are sac chid ananda vigraha, mm, as explained Prabhupada, as it is in the verse.

[00:29:51]Krishna who is sac-cid-ananda-vigraha.

[00:29:54]Sat means eternal.

[00:30:00]Cit full of knowledge. Ananda full of bliss, full of Yeah. And vigraha form.

[00:30:15]Therefore, a difference between God and living entity. Okay?

[00:30:23]That Lord Yeah, he has different body.

[00:30:32]>> [clears throat] >> We'll back to this point later.

[00:30:36]Yes, and back to our Bhagavad Gita chapter 4 and Krishna start explain his why he appear in this in this world, what is his mission when he is coming here.

[00:30:54]And And in this verse which Prabhupada quoted in the purport Krishna explain that there many many persons in the past who become purified by knowledge of me.

[00:31:20]Because this chapter 4 is about transcendental knowledge.

[00:31:26]That is focus about knowledge, about gyana.

[00:31:35]Yeah, and they purify and they start to be and they are free from fear, anger and they are full absorb in in me.

[00:31:55]Yeah, this is this point abs- absorption.

[00:31:59]Like on this this verse is explained that if somebody is absorb, then his next destination is what is in his mind.

[00:32:14]I remember one time Prahlada Ananda Swami on his lecture he give some story, sankirtan story.

[00:32:24]He was uh distributing books on one of the big airport in USA.

[00:32:31]And one day he saw this founder of KFC, this huge company.

[00:32:45]selling fried chicken.

[00:32:48]And Prahlada Ananda Maharaja he he he was a little confused and he explained that this man he was very old, he was on the wheelchair.

[00:33:02]And >> [laughter] >> Maharaja explained, "Can you imagine? He was even on this life he his face was like a chicken."

[00:33:11]>> [laughter] [gasps] >> And he And he explained that yeah, because he was constantly meditating about this chicken.

[00:33:26]>> [laughter] >> Then next life he will be a chicken.

[00:33:31]>> [snorts] >> Yeah.

[00:33:34]Yeah, this is how it is in this material world. Of course, on the West people they don't believe the next life, but according to shastras is like this. If somebody is absorb if somebody has constantly constantly something in the mind this mind this subtle body provide a soul in the time of the death to the next body.

[00:34:09]And this next body is mainly depends of what is in your mind in the time of death.

[00:34:19]Yeah, this is reality according to shastras.

[00:34:30]And here Prabhupada touch one point which would like little bit explore.

[00:34:39]A devotee of course by his knowledge and tapasya becomes free from fear and anger and becomes a pure devotee.

[00:34:51]And somebody can say tapasya?

[00:34:55]This is not bhakti yoga. Bhakti yoga is about love, emotion.

[00:35:02]And here Prabhupada said tapasya.

[00:35:06]And my question to you is what is tapasya for the devotee?

[00:35:16]What in our spiritual life is tapasya?

[00:35:37]Yes, very well.

[00:36:05]Very well. Mhm.

[00:36:09]Yeah, we have our our our own tapasya.

[00:36:14]In other uh types of yoga they have different tapasya, yeah.

[00:36:22]Ashtanga yoga they make very serious tapasya to sitting in in the forest, meditating, breathing and so on.

[00:36:33]But this is not for us.

[00:36:36]We have our own tapasya.

[00:36:42]Yeah, and Prabhupada mention about this.

[00:36:47]For us tapasya is follow rules and regulations, chanting 16 rounds.

[00:36:55]Yeah, this is our own tapasya.

[00:37:00]We are also fasting sometimes.

[00:37:04]Not so much, but >> [laughter] >> some some kind of tapasya for the tongue, yeah.

[00:37:13]Yeah, and point is that all this tapasya is for purify ourself and to satisfy our spiritual master and Krishna.

[00:37:35]It means we are not doing this tapasya for be power like Hiranyakashipu, yeah.

[00:37:46]>> [laughter] >> To to get something material, because of course, on the West people they don't have this knowledge so much.

[00:38:02]But still in India they know that if if I need some power, they I supposed to make some tapasya, yeah.

[00:38:15]And for example, Gandhi he was fasting for some political uh purport and so on. There's many examples of of this.

[00:38:29]And of course, in India is many of powerful yogis. They can control your mind.

[00:38:38]They can how to say, levitate, they can mhm jump to the Ganges in Calcutta and go out in Ganges in uh completely different part of India.

[00:38:58]They transfer by by water in very quick time. There there's some mystic powers.

[00:39:08]And usually they get this mystic power by tapasya.

[00:39:14]But our tapasya is for attaining bhakti, attaining love to to Krishna.

[00:39:25]And Prabhupada mention also that one of our tapasya is to obedience to the spiritual master.

[00:39:37]This is also austerity.

[00:39:40]To disciple to strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master.

[00:39:47]Cuz sometimes we have different conception. What should I do in my spiritual life?

[00:39:56]And spiritual And spiritual master sometimes say that no, you should do this.

[00:40:03]And this is also tapasya, some kind of going out from our comfort zone.

[00:40:17]And of course, this kind of tapasya is not dry.

[00:40:25]Cuz this All this what I mentioned previously, this tapasya of yogis and some mystics is dry. It's Performing this tapasya is not so uh pleasurable.

[00:40:42]This is pleasure for them because they know that yeah, I do this, but in the future I will enjoy my power and so on.

[00:40:53]But chanting Hare Krishna is not so tapasya. If somebody has some taste to chanting Hare Krishna, it's pleasurable.

[00:41:08]Yes, this is my point about this tapasya.

[00:41:15]Also, I would like say something about um fear.

[00:41:25]Because on Because on this verse is example of some small small grass worm who's meditating about bee in fear.

[00:41:50]And Bhaktivinoda Thakur explain in one of his book I'm not so sure, but probably in uh name of this book is Chaitanya Shikshamrita, but I'm not so sure.

[00:42:14]Anyway, Bhaktivinoda Thakur explain four levels of faith or four levels of how to approach God.

[00:42:29]And this lowest state name is bhaya.

[00:42:35]It means fear.

[00:42:38]It means somebody is fear of the God, therefore he approach the God. Yeah.

[00:42:47]He practice religion because he's fearing the God.

[00:42:54]Also, he's uh This fear can be connected with suffering.

[00:43:02]He's fear of suffering.

[00:43:06]And therefore, yeah, I must worship God because otherwise I will suffer in this material world or I will suffer in the eternal um fire of hell. Yeah.

[00:43:25]Christian say like this.

[00:43:27]It means this is also some kind of approaching the God, but not so high level. Yeah. This level of fear.

[00:43:37]Next level is asha.

[00:43:40]It means hope of expectation of of gain.

[00:43:49]It means on this case, devotion is motivated by some expectation from the God.

[00:43:59]I worship God because he protect me. He fulfill my desire.

[00:44:07]And yes, this kind of mood.

[00:44:15]And next level is kartavya buddhi.

[00:44:21]Means I worship the God in the sense of duty.

[00:44:28]Moral religion obligation.

[00:44:32]Yeah, somebody's worship God on this this mood.

[00:44:39]He understand or she understand that this is all right to worship the God because this is tradition like this. This is my duty. My father do this. My grandfather do this. And my ancestor. Therefore, I'm also worship God.

[00:44:59]And this is with reverence, with ethical responsibility on this on this level on this mood.

[00:45:12]And last level is raga.

[00:45:18]Raga means deep attraction, loving attachment to the Lord.

[00:45:25]It means it's on the level of the um spiritual emotion.

[00:45:33]And according to Bhaktivinoda Thakur, this is highest uh highest level.

[00:45:41]Uh Yeah. And on this level is spontaneous attraction to the Lord, spontaneous attraction to the service to the Lord.

[00:45:55]Uh this um person is not obliged by rules and regulations. Of course, he is follow rules and regulations, but this is not what force this person to worship the Lord.

[00:46:14]Yeah, it means that this And we can say that all of these people, they're on the way to Krishna.

[00:46:26]They have own stage of understanding God or own stage of some kind of knowledge.

[00:46:36]And by this state, they approach the the Lord.

[00:46:43]Yeah, and means we should we should understand that there are different people and they're on the different level. Cuz we have tendency to that everybody should be like me.

[00:46:58]Like us.

[00:47:01]Yeah.

[00:47:03]This is how Bhaktivinoda Thakur explain this um approaching the Lord.

[00:47:15]And we when when you analyze different religions, different moods, we can we can find all this this kind of approaching the Lord. And I think in every religion, we can find this four kind of people.

[00:47:37]Okay.

[00:47:38]Maybe I stop here. Maybe some question, comments. Yes.

[00:48:06]You gave the example that Krishna can remember everything because Krishna doesn't change the body.

[00:48:13]Did I understand this correctly?

[00:48:27]But Krishna can change the body by his free will. He can always change the body. He's changing the body always. How can one understand this? Yes, but he's appearing in different You can say different bodies.

[00:48:44]But all these bodies are transcendental.

[00:48:48]Yeah.

[00:48:50]They're not from flesh, blood, and so on.

[00:48:55]>> [laughter] >> It means all these bodies are sac-cid-ananda vigraha.

[00:49:02]Like is explained in this verse.

[00:49:08]Therefore this is Krishna, but in different form.

[00:49:17]And Krishna is not And point is that Krishna is not different from his body.

[00:49:27]We are different. We are soul, which is embodied.

[00:49:32]Yeah.

[00:49:33]We are like a driver in the very sophisticated machine.

[00:49:40]>> [laughter] >> But Krishna Krishna's body and Krishna's soul is the same.

[00:49:53]difference Yes? Um and what is with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu? When he came as Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, which body was this?

[00:50:06]Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is not different from Krishna.

[00:50:09]Therefore, his body is transcendental.

[00:50:13]Also transcendental, not a human body?

[00:50:15]No. Okay. Yes. But Lord Chaitanya is mentioned that he's uh um hidden avatar.

[00:50:29]He he came in Kali Yuga when people don't have so much faith in in God and so on. Therefore, he's hidden.

[00:50:43]He only his devotees, they understand that this is Actually, this is the supreme Lord.

[00:50:52]Therefore, even in the in the scripture is not some scripture is uh is hidden. Yeah.

[00:51:04]It's not not mentioned.

[00:51:09]But yeah, Lord Chaitanya is not different from Krishna. It's Krishna in the mood of Srimati Radharani.

[00:51:18]Yeah.

[00:51:19]Yeah, thank you.

[00:51:21]Welcome.

[00:51:24]Yes.

[00:51:30]Uh the four ways of approaching Krishna and According Bhaktivinoda Thakur. Yes, of course.

[00:51:37]>> [laughter] >> Um you mentioned uh the way highest way is the you know, loving approaching him with love um and attraction. What are What are the other avenues?

[00:51:50]Um what does it mean that the one is the highest and the other ones? Does that mean that eventually you you need to get to that place or what happens with the others cuz you're still approaching God or Krishna. So, what does it mean the difference of these?

[00:52:07]Yeah, this is very nice question.

[00:52:11]Because according today verse um even if somebody is demoniac uh how to say uh mentality when he approach a God, he is benefit.

[00:52:29]He get benefit, yeah. He he clean Prophet explained that he's cleaning his heart from the sin.

[00:52:38]Yeah, it means everybody who's approaching a God on the end of his um way he get uh the Lord.

[00:52:52]It means from this perspective is no difference. Okay.

[00:52:57]But we can from other point of view, we can explain that somebody is on the beginning his way, somebody is the middle, and somebody is almost close to the to the Lord. Yeah.

[00:53:10]Yeah, different how to say point of view.

[00:53:15]Yeah.

[00:53:19]Yeah, therefore, yeah.

[00:53:21]And shastras sometimes, for example, mentioned that um there is some definition of of pure devotee, yeah, that this is must be completely pure, then you can approach the Lord.

[00:53:38]And sometimes some acharyas I think Baladeva Vidyabhushana give uh ex- definition of bhakti that even um family of the devotee, they are practice bhakti.

[00:54:03]Because they are connected with devotee.

[00:54:07]It means his definition is very liberal, you know. He is he is his vision is completely different, yeah. You cannot have vision of only pure devotee, no spot of the sin in your heart.

[00:54:23]But some acharyas, they say, "Yeah, um karma yoga, gyana yoga, no problem.

[00:54:32]Everything is path to the God, you know.

[00:54:35]They are devotee.

[00:54:38]It means yeah, then we can uh see this practice on different different level from different point of view.

[00:54:54]Can be answered like this? Uh yes, um so it is it um possible, I guess, to attain like because these are ways of approaching Krishna.

[00:55:07]I guess uh it's it's natural, I guess, to to move through these stages.

[00:55:14]If say if somebody is going for the the the sense of um let's say the hope, asha, um you know, expecting gain and and they move and they approach God in this way um then naturally it will turn into the the loving mood?

[00:55:34]Yes.

[00:55:35]Um first I would like to say that everybody is different because we practice probably I'm sure we practice in previous life.

[00:55:47]Some uh spiritual activities. Therefore, we are where when we are.

[00:55:56]It means first of all, everybody is different.

[00:56:00]And second is not necessary that everybody should follow this this first bahaya, first this fear of the God, then some acceptation, then moral duty, and then raga.

[00:56:20]It's not not necessary.

[00:56:23]Because maybe next uh previous life you you already uh how to say take this other levels.

[00:56:38]Now you should work on on your level to approach Krishna, yeah.

[00:56:45]Like say like this. Actually, this is how to say Bhaktivinoda Thakur definition. They are also on this raga, there are different levels of this raga, yeah. This can be very complicated.

[00:57:01]>> [laughter] >> Thank you.

[00:57:07]Thank you very very much.

[00:57:20]Goura Bhakta Vrinda Ki Jai.