The Silver Sky Versus the Strat! | Mythos Weekly Livestream

Added: 2026-05-30

[00:00:00]Heat up [music] here.

[00:00:40]Hey, [music] hey, hey.

[00:00:54]Heat. Heat. [music] [music] [music] >> [music] >> for us.

[00:01:27]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:01:29]>> Happy Friday.

[00:01:31]>> Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. I got to crack this.

[00:01:33]>> Oh, I didn't get I need water.

[00:01:34]>> You're going to get one?

[00:01:35]>> No, no, I'll just drink coffee.

[00:01:36]>> Yeah, >> I might get water.

[00:01:38]>> I'll get later. It's wet. I'll get one later. What's up?

[00:01:42]>> Happy Friday, everybody.

[00:01:44]>> We're here. Mhm.

[00:01:45]>> I'm wearing my James Bond watch cuz I played the James Bond video game last night.

[00:01:49]>> You like it?

[00:01:51]>> Yeah. I love it.

[00:01:51]>> James Bond.

[00:01:53]>> Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's good.

[00:01:54]>> Awesome.

[00:01:55]>> Awesome.

[00:01:56]>> How you doing, Matthew?

[00:01:57]>> I'm doing terrific. Uh we're at the end of the line here for my solo dad. Uh I'll be back tomorrow.

[00:02:03]>> You're like traveling Wilbury.

[00:02:05]>> I'm done, dude. [laughter] Tired. Tired.

[00:02:08]But they were really good today, which was great. I have them on a very tight schedule. And Alex, my three-year-old, said something to me the fact like, "Why do we have to do the same thing every day? It's so exhausting."

[00:02:18]>> I'm like, "You're three.

[00:02:20]>> Buckle up.

[00:02:21]>> Just buckle up, kid." But I'm like, "Cuz this is this we have to or we will be late for everything."

[00:02:25]>> Yeah.

[00:02:26]>> Because I had to get him. I had a lot to do this morning. And I'm like, I think yesterday I got here like 8:45. So I was like, I really I was told him >> live stream needs me. I need to be here on time. I need to be ready sitting with my coffee. So thanks, girls. But how are you? So James Bond, what's up? Oh, I'm good. Uh, we're getting the Earl Kings rolling. I was packing some this morning.

[00:02:45]>> Uhhuh.

[00:02:45]>> Uh, so let's just get that out of the way. We're shipping. We're a day late on the shipping date, so forgive us.

[00:02:51]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's cuz y'all bought too much stuff. We had to ship.

[00:02:54]>> We're get We're going to get them out and then uh we should get all the rest of them done probably early next week.

[00:03:01]>> But everything that was like launch day.

[00:03:03]>> Yes. Those will go out today.

[00:03:05]>> Yeah.

[00:03:05]>> Yeah. But uh but we're good. We're our kitchen is is >> close to done.

[00:03:12]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:13]>> So, we can actually like >> eat in our house again. Uh and then >> uh what else has happened?

[00:03:21]>> I don't know.

[00:03:23]>> It's just been crazy. It's been a crazy time. Like the kids get off school.

[00:03:26]>> Yeah, I know.

[00:03:27]>> Uh >> uh Graham turned eight, so happy birthday, Graham. He got his guitar.

[00:03:32]>> Oh, awesome. Yeah.

[00:03:32]>> And he loved it. I I finished my clan clone of my clan. Clon, clone, cloned, >> uh, >> cloned.

[00:03:39]>> And, uh, yeah, >> good stuff.

[00:03:41]>> That's it.

[00:03:41]>> Yeah.

[00:03:42]>> So, >> so there's no need to talk about it.

[00:03:44]>> That's it. All right. Uh, >> so I was told, Graham, if you're watching, I'll try not to curse too much.

[00:03:49]>> Yeah. Yeah, >> I'll try.

[00:03:51]>> So, we'll see. Um, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:55]>> What are we going to talk about today, Matthew? Well, I thought we would be moving on from the the Fender Stratacaster discussion, but we did get uh on Wednesday, I believe it was finally a statement from Fender >> Uhhuh.

[00:04:09]>> about their intention of the lawsuit and we uh thought we knew more about what was happening and we made some conclusions based on that and then and then we found out something else the next day. Thus, the beautiful thumbnail that you made.

[00:04:28]Yeah. So, um, so basically, Fender kind of walked back on what they were saying. And let's be fair, like, okay, I'm going to throw Fender a very small bone here.

[00:04:41]>> Bone, bone, bone, bone, bone, bone, bone.

[00:04:44]>> The main topic of discussion is going to be PRS getting the CN D.

[00:04:47]>> Yes.

[00:04:48]>> Uh, Fender statement may have >> been made. I mean, I'm sure it's made well after PRS and everyone else got their cease and >> desists, >> right?

[00:05:00]>> So, you know, maybe Fender, >> you know, they're making this statement to help write the ship and this this PRS thing is is going to blow over. But, uh, basically Fender, they said they're not going after after everybody who makes a twohorned or double cutaway guitar, which >> two horned.

[00:05:21]>> I mean, that sounds so metal.

[00:05:23]>> Yeah. Oh, man.

[00:05:26]Um, but they're just going after people who outright copy the shape.

[00:05:33]>> Yes. It made it seem like it was, you know, Chinese >> counterfeitters. counterfeits and maybe someone got a little bit or maybe the exact body shape copiers like the ones that are not necessarily just tweaking the headstock slightly and putting out straps, >> right? Um Oh, >> Dax, >> get that up on screen here.

[00:05:54]>> Uh, hey dudes, get lunch. I'll see you guys tomorrow. Happy birthday to Graham.

[00:05:58]Thank you.

[00:05:58]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:05:59]>> Thank you so much.

[00:06:00]>> He had a great birthday. We got Oh, hold on. I didn't even talk about the other cool thing that Graham got for his birthday.

[00:06:07]>> What was that?

[00:06:08]>> Necro molds.

[00:06:09]>> That was cool. I thought you got that for us to play.

[00:06:13]>> Well, we played it last night >> and uh he kicked my butt. Uh it was a tabletop game. It was really fun.

[00:06:18]>> Also, can I want to point out something real fast on the chat? My guy Derek here.

[00:06:22]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:06:22]>> Let's see. Okay, so Derek was here and my guy Derek's a great customer of ours and has lots of really killer gear. So, he came in to play with Butch Walker while they were recording that dip in tone. And anything that happens during that time is 100% my fault because I'm always Okay. But Zack Zach is uh you know, you know, he get distracted by anything. I could fart in my office while Dip's going and he'd be like, "Turn it down." [laughter] >> So, >> it really wasn't that bad.

[00:06:46]>> Like, it wasn't that loud uh or distracting. It's just like I just try to be I have a mute button >> for dipped.

[00:06:53]>> Yeah. And so I just have to be like hot on the mute button >> because like a noise gate only goes so far.

[00:07:00]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:00]>> Uh and I hate noise gates. Gosh, I hate noise gates.

[00:07:03]>> I know. I know. So it's the it's the it's the fun part of >> it's one of my favorite things to happen because people will come in and a lot of people, you know, watch the shows and stuff. So when I tell them, "Oh, he's dipping right now." They're like, "Oh, okay." And I'm like, "Well, we still got to play stuff."

[00:07:16]>> Yeah.

[00:07:16]>> But we're just trying to be >> as respectful as we can. And then I kind of forget start nosing that thing up.

[00:07:22]But you know, it's rock and roll. It's all good.

[00:07:25]>> It it like my wall is is shared with the the guitar wall. Yeah. Um but anyway, so uh >> yes, >> further diving into what Fender said, let's say. So Bird and Bird, which is their law firm, >> Bird, >> uh >> which is ironic considering who they're going after.

[00:07:42]>> Yeah, [laughter] I know. Isn't that funny?

[00:07:43]>> It is funny. It is funny. So, uh, said, "Everyone is welcome and [clears throat] will be able to continue making and selling double cutaway or two horned electric guitars as long as they are designed sufficiently different from the Fender Stratacastaster." Um, and and effective guitars would only require relatively minor design changes, which is all >> counterintuitive to the thing they said, which was like doom and gloom, death and destruction, fire and brimstone sort of thing.

[00:08:10]>> Yes. And if I were to read that, and I did the other day, I said, "Oh, that means the Silver Sky is safe." Because I think we'd all look at the Silver Sky and say it's obviously uh a Strat inspired guitar or a straightup copy, whatever. But they have changed quite a bit.

[00:08:26]>> Yeah.

[00:08:26]>> About the guitar. You can't look at that and not know that that's not a different guitar than a Fender Stratacastaster.

[00:08:32]>> Arguably more changes on a Silver Sky than pretty much anybody else.

[00:08:36]>> Yeah. Uh I mean but it's maybe like GNL but that doesn't matter now because they own them. Yes.

[00:08:43]>> So >> all right. So that's what we read. We thought okay now we know a little bit more. And then what happened the next day?

[00:08:48]>> And then PRS said hey we also got a CN D. They did >> and they really declined to to make a statement but they said they are investigating it. Yes. And looking into it. But the thing that I mean we have to remember PRS has been like against the wall legally >> a couple times most significantly with the the single cut.

[00:09:12]>> Yes, this has happened before. They had to shut down production of the single cut while they were dealing with all this and ultimately >> uh they won. And you know it's a it's interesting because I asked you this yesterday and I think this is a good question. Do you think in that fight between Gibson and PRS was the single cut more different than a less Paul than the Silver Sky is to a Stratacaster?

[00:09:36]>> And I think absolutely yes.

[00:09:37]>> So there is a little bit more like you know not uh legal uh you know ambiguity here but I understand a little bit more of like you know does Fender have a better shot at this than say PR than Gibson had back in the day? I think they absolutely do. Uh because to the lay person >> uh like like you know grab your like an aunt or someone and say these guitars look the same to you and they'll go yeah.

[00:10:06]>> Uh but you know to us like we we are cursed with knowledge so of course they look different.

[00:10:12]>> Yes.

[00:10:12]>> But the the problem is >> with all this is is Yeah. Like the single cut >> PRS >> like Yeah. If you squint your eyes, >> that's the smoky bar argument. Always always what they said, the smoky bar argument. You go into a bar, it's smoky, it's you're >> my that that R9 is over Matthew's shoulder there. If I took the pick guard off of that, >> I don't think anybody in the guitar community, no matter how blurry I made this camera, >> would say, "Look at that PRS right there."

[00:10:43]>> Yeah. [laughter] Well, that's also like and I and this is also something that I'm fascinated by which is the idea of like like uh copywriting the body shape >> itself versus like the entire guitar, right? The idea that you're going to see that body shape and say, "Oh, that's just copying, you know, it's exactly a Strat." But when you look at the totality of the guitar with the birds and the headstock, you nobody's gonna even close the no one's ever going to mistake that for a Fender Stratacastaster. But that's like an individual piece of the puzzle that is copyrighted versus you know other stuff which is like really really interesting you know but ultimately what I thought when I heard this was that like this to me uh to to use an old phrase of mine is the heat of the meat which is >> nom >> this actually does affect Fender's bottom line because of the the popularity of the silver sky. We see the reverb breakdown every year, but it's one of the more popular guitars sold.

[00:11:45]>> And so, like, if they actually like going after LSL, going after any of the other small companies, >> anybody that's making cheap Chinese copies, that doesn't seem like it's going to make any money for Fender. but going after the big dog, going after John Mayer and Paul Reed Smith who are definitely selling uh a significant amount of guitars that if they can either get a license out of this or get them to shut down. I mean, I don't think they're going to get them to shut down, >> right?

[00:12:14]>> Because [clears throat] something they'll do something else, but you know, I mean, thinking about like what the Silver Sky has done for PRS and thinking about that sliding door scenario where they keep John >> Mhm. And none of this ever, you know, happens. I mean, it's like not to say that PRS would be um uh out of business or anything, but it's was it's a huge factor in their growth over the last 10 years. Oh, >> absolutely. Is the is the diversification of their lineup and then also bringing all these new people in that had never been uh into a PRS before.

[00:12:44]>> 100%.

[00:12:45]>> Yeah.

[00:12:45]>> Yeah. So, [clears throat] um the Silver Sky, like if we want to dive into that really quick.

[00:12:50]>> Yeah.

[00:12:51]>> Uh launched 2018.

[00:12:52]>> Uhu. uh mayor left Fender in 2014, which is crazy. It was that long ago.

[00:12:57]>> Wow.

[00:12:58]>> Like like when you think about it, you're like, "Oh, yeah." But like it just seems like a few years ago in 2018.

[00:13:04]Wow.

[00:13:04]>> Um >> and then so on reverb, you know, their bestseller list, which is like >> who knows what math they're using, >> right? And like how many guitars were bought and sold and bought and sold and bought and sold on reverb like a single unit. Like it doesn't account for that.

[00:13:19]It's just like units sold. It's a, you know, it's an aggregate just on one platform. But, >> um, the Silver Sky was their number one electric guitar for 2022 and 23 and then it fell to number three in 24 and then rose back to number two in 25.

[00:13:34]>> Yeah.

[00:13:34]>> So, like that is the the ultimate thing that's that's ticking off Fender. Um, but >> I think the bigger question is is if >> PRS if they can't defend this >> Yeah. then no one else >> I think >> has a chance.

[00:13:52]>> Yeah, I think they'll be fine.

[00:13:53]>> I think they will too because apparently uh one lawyer who has beat Fender before >> is uh >> excuse me, >> he released a statement and he may be involved with some of this because he represents sir ESP Shre and other makers. It's a uh Ron Bintock.

[00:14:13]Uh, so you know, [sighs] I don't know. I I find all of this to be well, >> really just sad.

[00:14:20]>> I think here's uh CBST. Love the statement post single cut lawsuit. We'll put it up. Um, the court found no likelihood of confusion between the two guitars, noting that only an idiot [laughter] would be able to tell part of the point of sale. That's like legit funny.

[00:14:37]And I think that like ultimately that's what we're discussing here is that I don't think there's a soul alive who's accidentally gonna buy a silver sky thinking they're buying a Fender. So again, it's sort of up to for Fender to sort of, you know, prove like what kind of damages they they're getting besides John Mayer hurt our feelings because he would rather talk to Paul Reed Smith and than the dude with the ponytail.

[00:15:00][laughter] >> And that's kind of what we're talking about, you know.

[00:15:05]>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a very man like >> John going to PRS is the greatest thing that ever happened to PRS I think.

[00:15:12]>> Um and I just I don't see a world I mean because like we okay we're talking about here is like they're not going after >> the trademark. Correct. They're going after the copyright.

[00:15:24]>> The copyright's more artistic like versus the you know because the headstock is trademarked.

[00:15:30]>> Yes.

[00:15:31]>> And that's something that they've had and enforced and for years. she can't do the head stop, >> right?

[00:15:37]>> And that's sort of been like as far as like we know it as guitar players like yes, thumbs down. Sorry, mom. I'll I'll do better. I'll call I'll call. Um I think that like the idea is that like we've sort of accepted that for so long, >> right?

[00:15:52]>> That like the body shape and the general idea, >> but as long as you have a different headstock, then we can tell the guitars apart and we're cool, right? We've all kind of said like we're good, right?

[00:16:02]everybody kind of gets it and that doesn't mean that Fender and Gibson love it, right? And and are okay with it, but we've sort of like kind of settled in on that. I think that's ultimately like when we're talking about uh public perception or law or whatever, it's sort of like this has been the norm for so long, it seems really difficult for uh like that to uh either legal precedent or public perception to go away >> because that's how we've been operating for the last I don't know how many years, >> right?

[00:16:31]>> You know what I Yeah.

[00:16:32]>> And and I did ask you this and I think this is a funny thing and I'll ask you this question and I think this is sort of uh if you like pick a brand a newer brand that has a unique body shape.

[00:16:43]>> Okay.

[00:16:44]>> Go bomb or bomb.

[00:16:47]>> They are a new company with a unique body shape. Yes. Right. If somebody came out tomorrow with that exact body shape.

[00:16:54]>> Yeah.

[00:16:54]>> Right. The community would be up in arms and hate it and burn them to the ground.

[00:16:58]>> Yeah.

[00:16:59]>> Right.

[00:17:00]So, what is the difference there? I'm just I'm just we're just talking here.

[00:17:04]We're just talking. What's the difference there? Why is that Why would the community and everyone be like, "No, you can't do that." Is that just the the guitar playing community like policing itself?

[00:17:13]>> Yeah.

[00:17:13]>> Saying you can't do that, but this cat's out of the bag with the Stratacaster, so it's okay. That's kind of how I feel about it. But I just I like to ask that question.

[00:17:21]>> No, I think it I mean like yeah when when the cat is out of the bag but we do see it like you know we've uh we've talked about this before and you've seen it before.

[00:17:29]>> I know I know exactly where >> Yes. So that was sort of I wanted you to go there but you went with bow.

[00:17:35]>> Well I mean you're talking about you really unique and weird.

[00:17:38]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously I was I was uh GM of Novo for six years. I was the first uh um employee hired there. And anytime anybody like, you know, got close to that body shape, and there's been several brands that have come out with something that was clearly like cribbed um from that. I mean, Iconic came out with a guitar that was clearly a mirrorist.

[00:18:01]>> There was another one too that was like >> and you know, but you know, it's uh it's a little bit like you know, you know, you if you don't have the the legal part of it down, right? you haven't trademarked anything, you haven't copyright anything because it's really expensive. It's like that's sort of like, you know, the community has to do the policing >> where they say, "We're not buying this.

[00:18:22]We don't like it. You're just copying this. This sucks." Right. Yeah. And the community has spoken that they want Strat copies.

[00:18:28]>> Yeah.

[00:18:28]>> They want teley copies.

[00:18:29]>> Yeah. Absolutely.

[00:18:30]>> And they want less Paul copies and they're good to go. And that's a little bit like not saying that law doesn't have anything to do with it, but you know, it's a little bit like the the the silver sky is a runaway success because the people wanted it.

[00:18:42]>> Yeah. And and well, and let's face it, it's a really good guitar.

[00:18:46]>> That's what I mean.

[00:18:47]>> You know, like there's no denying when you play an SE, you're like, "Wow, this is how much and it is this nice." and then you play a USA Silver Sky and it's just like it kind of blows away anything the same [clears throat] price bracket.

[00:19:03]>> The price of the USA Silver Sky is excellent.

[00:19:06]>> Yeah. For for what you're getting. Um it's it's interesting though because we've talked about this a few times on on Dipped.

[00:19:13]>> And uh you know, we talked about how if people make the argument like if if these other brands want to [clears throat] survive, they need to innovate and make new shapes. And we said, you know, people don't want that.

[00:19:25]We've talked about this and like people clap back saying, "Well, what about Reverend? What about all these other companies?" I'm like, I'm not saying that there's no room for new shapes or innovation or new design, but in the grand scheme of things, >> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:37]>> what is desired by players are the things that were played by the heroes on the posters that we hung on our wall.

[00:19:43]And let's face it, you know, a double agent reverend >> doesn't have the same effect as a white stratacastaster or a a a blonde, [clears throat] you know, >> also because broader popular culture rock and roll has been in stasis for the last 20 years. Yeah.

[00:20:05]>> And that's part of the the issue is that we're still we're still there because, you know, we've kind of we've stopped >> like Ripley >> basically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:13]>> How long was Ripley in stasis?

[00:20:15]>> 80. Is it 80 something years?

[00:20:17]>> No, cuz her daughter was still alive.

[00:20:20]>> I thought it was something like that.

[00:20:21]>> 50 years.

[00:20:22]>> Is it 50 years?

[00:20:22]>> The chat will know. How long was Ripley in stasis and aliens >> when they when they found her?

[00:20:28]>> But, you know, I think this >> what a movie.

[00:20:31]>> Great man. I used to just run around the background backyard like pretending to have the [snorts] plasma rifle. One of the best guns in the history of movies.

[00:20:38]>> That sound effect. Sorry, tangent because movie nerds, prop nerd.

[00:20:46]>> Um, the sound effect of >> the plasma rifle >> Yes.

[00:20:50]>> is so good. And it's just the plasma rifle. You know what it is, right?

[00:20:53]>> Yeah. It's a Tommy gun.

[00:20:55]>> Cuz we've talked about it so many times.

[00:20:56]>> Uh, and I think it's got >> a Tommy gun. It's got like a flanger on it or something >> and it just makes it have that >> it it's like it's just that it's just a modulated Tommy god and it sounds so like sci-fi. Anyway, sorry.

[00:21:13]>> 57 years. Thank you, Norman.

[00:21:15]>> I knew it was close to that.

[00:21:16]>> Oh, and this this is like, you know, we probably uh could go uh three hours on this, but uh you know, is there anything else out there that people want to talk about today? Um [laughter] I'm Brandon.

[00:21:27]Um, sorry I just joined, but you touched if you touched on this, but a USA Silver Sky is just the Silver Sky. That's the only model, whereas Fender has about 10 different USA strats. That's confusing itself. I remember the day where that hit me, you know, and I've talked about this on the show and I'll talk about it again because good point is someone literally asked me that question. They never played one. They came in um to look at uh you know, lots of different guitars like what's the deal with the Silver Sky? It's like immediately I was like that's really what it is is that like the the the the ease of like I've decided I want this and I know that there's two options and I pick a color and a fretboard is so nice and you know there's no confusion on why I would spend $1,000 or $1,500 or 2,000 or $2,500 or $3,000 on a guitar. Like what are the differences? What makes them what? What does this one have that this doesn't have? It's just PRS is like, "We're going to make the best one we can in Indonesia. We're going to make the best one we can in Maryland and then you buy it." That's like incredible. It's all I've ever wanted from any company.

[00:22:30]It's all I've ever tried to do at all the companies that I've worked for is make it that clear >> for the customer to understand what their value is and what they're getting.

[00:22:39]And to me, that is so nice. It's so huge. And now as selling them, that's that's what I love. Makes it so easy.

[00:22:46]>> Uh let's see. I kind of like this question from >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, >> Hanny here.

[00:22:52]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where'd it go?

[00:22:56]>> Um, so we have like two of our chats.

[00:23:00]>> Um, do you think that guitar pricing has gone up so much that people are now willing to buy counterfeit Strats because they don't think paying up for the actual Fender is worth it or just being cheap? M >> um I do think there's obviously something and you know red has talked about this, we've talked about this on dipped where you know >> the cost of living and inflation has has taken its toll on everything but you know >> it's taking a toll on you. [laughter] >> Sorry, >> but like the cost of of guitars has steadily rose while wages have not which is >> you know part of it.

[00:23:35]>> Yeah. A lot of it is that like yeah like everything starts to cost more, woods costs more and you know production costs more and everything starts to go up and then also you see all the other stuff start going up and you're like okay we're going to raise our prices too >> and the thing that's the slowest to go up is uh regular wages for regular people, >> right?

[00:23:53]>> And like that's the uh >> that's always really difficult. You know, you can look at like how much money, you know, I mean how much money you were making 25 years ago versus how much you're ma money you're making now.

[00:24:03]then the price of the guitar is way higher >> than that percentage. I think it's everybody knows that and like >> even 10 years ago.

[00:24:11]>> Yeah. And that's that's really difficult. And I always think it's fun because uh the pedal game >> Yeah.

[00:24:18]>> doesn't go up >> pretty much pretty much the same.

[00:24:22]>> Yeah. Tube screamer is still, you know, same price.

[00:24:25]>> I mean the tube screamer is a little more expensive than it used to be.

[00:24:28]>> Yeah. But we can't raise prices like other brands do. Like like Okay. So like >> well in a way so I mean I do think we'll come back to touching on this. I do think in the guitar pedal space >> the willingness to pay >> more for uh >> throughhole components >> for a more um >> boutique quote unquote uh production. It is there and I think there is room for that. I think people are willing to to splurge a little bit for that. Yeah.

[00:24:54]>> Um but for your bread and butter pedals, >> uh yeah, there's the like if we said tomorrow, hey, Mjolnir is going to be $2.99, they would burn us alive.

[00:25:07]>> Yes, [laughter] we can't do that. And looking at the percentages too, it's like maybe not even like I know how much a Sarah J cost, you know, in 2016 because I was running the company and I know how much it costs now and it's significantly more. Yeah, that was 10 years ago and a lot of things have changed since then. But if we took the percentage price increase of that and said, "Let's apply that to Mujir, we couldn't do it."

[00:25:27]>> No.

[00:25:28]>> And you know, I think probably it's because with instruments, people understand the craftsmanship that goes into it and are willing to pay for that versus pedals, which I get that. It's just an interesting component to this, you know what I mean? Versus versus anything else. So, >> yeah. But but the willingness for people to buy counterfeits, I don't think that it's so much people's willingness to buy them. It's just it's never been more easy to get a counterfeit with Alibaba and AliExpress, Timu, and all this stuff. Like, it's so easy to get this, >> let's face it, junk.

[00:26:02]>> Um, >> and that people are willing to do it because a lot of people see it as a name on a headstock and they don't care about anything else. Uh, they don't care that it's a piece of crap guitar. They don't care that it might not have a trust rod or have a trust rod that works or it's made of >> just, you know, made of cardboard and, you know, and glue.

[00:26:21]>> Uh, like that sort of idea. People don't care about that. Um, but I think the reason that a lot of people are caring less and less about those things is because the costs have gone up and it means less to people. Well, I think that's also why people really, you know, get into, you know, modding Squires and and want those guitars to be good and and it'll spend the time and the effort and the money to get there because they think price-wise if I can get, you know, spend a little extra money, I'm still going to be under like a player two, right?

[00:26:47]>> And I can get get kind of what I want. I mean, that that feels like, you know, you know, more of the trend. It seems like >> uh you know that that and that's probably what Fender is banking on by having so many SKUs.

[00:27:00]>> Yeah. in so many different price points is saying like, "Well, we'll still get this for the people that want to spend the money, but like people that are put off by that, here's all of these other options." It's just it's just ridiculous.

[00:27:10]>> Uh oh, the mooches says his the Robocop gun was his favorite. Man, what a cool what a cool gun.

[00:27:16]>> That is cool.

[00:27:17]>> Semi-automatic.

[00:27:17]>> I want to make a joke here.

[00:27:19]>> Burst fire. You know >> what?

[00:27:21]>> I want to make a Robocop reference, but it might be too blue for the for the viewers at home.

[00:27:26]>> Wait, what?

[00:27:27]>> Robocop shot that guy in the dick.

[00:27:29][laughter] Remember that?

[00:27:31]>> That was cool. I saw that movie when I was seven >> and I was like the ' 80s, man. What a what a time.

[00:27:36]>> Thinking about that.

[00:27:37]>> What a time watching Aliens and Robocop when you're seven years old.

[00:27:40]>> Oh, I remember watching like Predator.

[00:27:42]>> It all came out in 1986 87. We had a really good life. Okay, so I know this is like back in the day. Back in the day, but some everybody says it was better back in their day, >> right? Everybody says that. So, but somebody has to be right. And I think I think it's >> it ended with us.

[00:28:00]>> It ended with us, man. 80s was was a wild time.

[00:28:02]>> Yeah. I'm I'm the >> home video. Parents didn't know because problem is that you had all that stuff would come out and you you know you're going to take your kid to the theater to go see something now. But once home video is out, it's like it's all bets are you just watching HBO and there it is.

[00:28:15]>> But our parents too like you know the uh PG-13 >> didn't even come around until Temple of Doom.

[00:28:22]>> Temple of Doom and Gremlins the backtoback the backtoback shot 1984.

[00:28:26]Yeah.

[00:28:26]>> I mean, June of 1984, guys. Gremlins, Temple of Doom, Ghostbusters. I mean, come on. It was better. I'm sorry.

[00:28:34][clears throat] >> Everything was better.

[00:28:36]>> And I get it. Everybody says it was better when they were a kid. Somebody's got to be right. And it's me. No, I'm kidding. I'm just, you know, I'm joking about that. I just think it's funny to think that.

[00:28:44]>> I just I I we on Grandma's birthday, we went out to dinner with some friends and um and and their kids were there and they have a son that's a little bit older and we were talking And I was they they had like a Spider-Man toy and I was talking about man when I was younger than you guys. I just remember laying on my front porch >> with a glass bottle of Coke, >> a huge box of Teddygrams.

[00:29:09]>> Yeah. Wow.

[00:29:10]>> And Spider-Man comic books and I would just do that for hours >> and I would give a lot to be able to just do that right now. Reckless abandoned. I could Yeah, man. Look at my cousin, man.

[00:29:24]>> [laughter] >> It's broken. Doesn't do u >> my thing my favorite like memory of that era I had the uh the black suit like symbiot Spider-Man from Secret Wars.

[00:29:33]>> Um and I used to like pretend cuz you know you're a kid and you don't really he's like that he was the Silver Surfer.

[00:29:40]>> Okay, >> not that he was, but like I used to take like a TV remote and use it as like a surfboard and like I would have him just flying around the house.

[00:29:47]>> The black silver surfer.

[00:29:48]>> He's the tarnished silver surfer.

[00:29:50]>> So much fun. But like I distinctly remember that was like a uh a uh the way I used to play with that that thing.

[00:29:57]>> Yeah, >> that figure is worth a lot if it's carded. If it's still in Oh, yeah.

[00:30:00]>> That's one of the oldtimes right there.

[00:30:01]>> Oh, I I I saw a bunch of Star Wars toys that are carded that I have that worth a lot of money. Okay. Um >> we're going we're just 80s and 90s baby.

[00:30:09]>> Yeah, there we go.

[00:30:10]>> 80s and 90s.

[00:30:11]>> Tricky trap.

[00:30:11]>> Total recall.

[00:30:13]>> Not June, but EVH jump84. That's right.

[00:30:17]>> We had it. We had it all. We gave it away. We gave away for Tik Tok and Fortnite.

[00:30:22]>> Nobody likes any of that stuff anymore.

[00:30:23][laughter] I don't know what kids like.

[00:30:24]>> I don't know. They like Roblox.

[00:30:26]>> Maybe.

[00:30:27]>> Maybe. I don't know.

[00:30:28]>> What's the kid like? Kid likes what you like because you you know you you have outside influence on it. Kid likes Kirk Hammet and Mario Kart.

[00:30:35]>> Mega Man I think is he he has Mega Man books that have like all the art from every Mega Man game. It's only 9:30.

[00:30:42]We're doing great. Uh, and uh, like the other day I just came in his room and he was just like looking at these books of Mega Man. I'm like, gosh, >> that's so cool. I would have killed to have that book as a kid. Oh my gosh.

[00:30:54]>> Every Mega Man art. Okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. All right. Chicken Little officials asked this question a bunch. Let's answer it for him.

[00:31:01]>> Should we do it live? Should we pull it up live here?

[00:31:03]>> Pull it. It's like, wait, it's like, have you ever guys looked at Ruby Guitars in the UK? They make excellent guitars. Do you know Ruby?

[00:31:09]>> No, >> I don't either.

[00:31:10]>> Ruby. Ruby. Ruby. Ruby.

[00:31:11]>> Let's go show it. Let's go show it.

[00:31:12]>> Uh, >> you want to look at Omega watches?

[00:31:14]>> Let's look at this first.

[00:31:16][laughter] >> Sorry.

[00:31:20]>> Sean plays guitars.

[00:31:22]>> I was looking at this Omega because it's the new watch in the James Bond game.

[00:31:29]>> We'll just have this up on the chat. Why is this not like >> What are you doing, dude?

[00:31:33]>> Okay, there we go.

[00:31:34]>> Okay, >> look at that. Ruby guitars. We're going to do it live. Um, blah blah blah. Oh, the kids like Pokemon cards, right?

[00:31:43]>> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> I love this.

[00:31:46]>> This looks like Looks like a house in the UK.

[00:31:48]>> Where is he?

[00:31:49]>> Custom built. Permanently closed. Oh, >> okay.

[00:31:53]>> Is that a guitar store?

[00:31:54]>> Oh, here we go.

[00:31:57]>> Ruby. Ruby. Ruby. Ruby. Ruby. Soho. Oh, cool.

[00:32:00]>> Uh, that looks like an old airline.

[00:32:03]>> Got that silver silver tone sunburst.

[00:32:05]These are cool.

[00:32:06]>> Uh, >> yeah. So, it looks like kind of like a >> classic a Bobcat or a big horn or something.

[00:32:13]>> Yeah. Yeah. Model uh 01. I like that naming convention.

[00:32:16]>> Yeah. I You know what? I I hate I love the idea of it.

[00:32:21]>> I was just calling them model one, two, and three.

[00:32:23]>> Hey, you know, it's easier than anything else. Uh slotted headstocks on guitars.

[00:32:28]They look great.

[00:32:29]>> No, >> man. They stink to rering. Holy.

[00:32:32]>> How much How much these cost?

[00:32:34]>> Uh I don't know. It's in pounds, which is like double the dollars now. So, >> dollars. Um, yeah. It's like a harmony.

[00:32:40]>> Cool.

[00:32:41]>> Uh, >> I like that one.

[00:32:42]>> You like this one?

[00:32:43]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:44]>> Don't like that.

[00:32:45]>> Yeah.

[00:32:45]>> Don't like that one.

[00:32:47]>> The wanderer. So, it's kind of got a little bit of a wander with the slanted pickups.

[00:32:51]>> Baritone action.

[00:32:52]>> Uh, you know, >> cool.

[00:32:54]>> Fun. Yeah, >> I like it. Fun. How much they cost?

[00:32:57]>> Uh, don't say ordering.

[00:32:59]>> Prices depend.

[00:33:00]>> Oh, wait.

[00:33:00]>> Like 1,700.

[00:33:02]>> Uh, it's pretty cheap, you know, for what it is, I guess.

[00:33:08]Um, >> all right. There you go.

[00:33:10]>> Cool.

[00:33:10]>> We looked at it.

[00:33:11]>> We looked at it. Look cool. They look cool. You got one.

[00:33:14]>> If you got one, let us know.

[00:33:16]>> All right. Um, >> what else? What else is going on in the chat?

[00:33:19]>> Let's see. Okay.

[00:33:21]>> Sean plays guitar. Say something cool.

[00:33:23]>> Did he?

[00:33:23]>> I don't know. Cory said it was.

[00:33:24]>> Evan Chong. Oh, Chich and Chong. Man, I'm >> too young for that.

[00:33:31]>> Oh, you were a little young for >> Yeah, I think my parents would have because they knew what that was.

[00:33:35]if they knew what it was.

[00:33:37]>> All right, how about let's throw this one out there for all you old heads. You guys ever watch Kentucky Fried Movie?

[00:33:43]>> Anybody ever seen that one?

[00:33:44]>> All right, so my dad like showed that to us when we were like 16 and there's just tons of nudity in that movie. But it's the guys did like Airplane and stuff. It was the movie before that. It's hilarious.

[00:33:54]>> Go find it. And like I was like, man, dad's the coolest. He's like, look at this movie. But you know, it's Pops, you know. All right. What else is going on out there? Did anything else come out this week?

[00:34:05]>> Anything else? Did we get anything in stock? We had some Novos.

[00:34:08]>> Oh, we got a TC.

[00:34:10]>> Red. I mean, it's cool.

[00:34:12]>> Is that okay? Some people don't like it when we try to just sell stuff from high voltage.

[00:34:15]>> I mean, we got to make money.

[00:34:16]>> Yeah.

[00:34:17]>> We got We got families to feed. But is there anything left to say about this this PRS fender? Like the entirety of the situation?

[00:34:24]>> There's a lot of yeps. I think Kentucky Fried Movie. Everyone's like, >> "Okay." Yep. Yep. Yep. Yes. Yes. Yep.

[00:34:28]Yep. I mean [laughter] like like if if this goes to court.

[00:34:34]>> Yes. I want cameras in the court.

[00:34:36]>> We should live stream it.

[00:34:37]>> I want Judge Edo. Get him out.

[00:34:39]Mothballs. [laughter] Ko Kalin. Let's bring back the classics. Mark Ferman dead. But bring him back. [laughter] >> That's my favorite.

[00:34:47]>> Oh man. Um >> Kentucky Friends Airplane Guys. Did I say that? Did I say a different movie?

[00:34:52]>> No, you did.

[00:34:53]>> Okay. Uh, but I uh Oh, there's a new Lawrence Petros pedal.

[00:35:00]>> Okay. Um, >> I I I I don't know if there's anything left to say about this, but I think that >> Well, I'm excited.

[00:35:08]>> Fender doesn't have a leg to stand on, but man, they're going to try. They're gonna they're going to try as they might, I think.

[00:35:16]>> But >> I'm excited. Paul Ree Smith versus Ponytail.

[00:35:21]>> Let's get it on.

[00:35:23]Phil, a 40 watt Phil had a great thumbnail. We were kind of having a thumbnail off in a in a >> thumbnail rules cuz instantly you said I'm thinking some Paul Reese Smith coming off the top rope and I'm like oh yeah macho man.

[00:35:36]>> Oh yeah you're macho I'm coming for you.

[00:35:39]I'm coming for that ponytail. I'm going to snitch it. [laughter] >> Yeah. Don't be hiding that thing man.

[00:35:44]What's the deal with that haircut man?

[00:35:47]Yeah. You like the stratacastaster. I got the silver skin. [laughter] >> All right. I got to get you some sunglasses. I got to get you some Macho Man glasses, too.

[00:35:54]>> That's the best I can do. I'm just doing >> Matthew's birthday is coming up. So, Macho Man glasses, you think?

[00:35:59]>> I really if like it's too hard to do the voice consistently, but I want I should do a whole bit where I'm just doing power.

[00:36:04]>> Your voice is not quite low enough.

[00:36:06]>> It's hard.

[00:36:07]>> Yeah.

[00:36:08]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:08]>> Yeah. That's why his face um who's the comedian? Dan.

[00:36:13]>> Dan Soder does his voice is deep.

[00:36:14]>> He has a deep voice >> and he's like right there. He's perfect.

[00:36:17]>> So good. It's so [laughter] good. I love it. I could watch him do Macho Man impressions. Like, if that was the only thing that was fed to me, I'd be happy as a clam. Um, oh, oh, Sean. Sean plays guitar. Great question. Um, does this change the way you feel about Fender products at all?

[00:36:38]What are you laughing at?

[00:36:38]>> Oh, someone said 10 out of 10 macho man voice. I mean, that's >> great. You did a great job. Did a great job. Gosh.

[00:36:43]>> Does this change how you feel about Fender at all?

[00:36:46]>> Yes.

[00:36:46]>> Like, okay, my Stratacastaster back here. Yeah.

[00:36:49]>> Um, so like I I don't know like I I I try to remove because I I felt this way with Gibson a few times >> um when they have gone >> rogue >> C and D hand >> play authent play authentic hostage video with Mark Agnes. It wasn't really like the play authentic thing didn't bother me that much cuz like I get what they were >> trying to say. I think it was very poorly done and and I feel like a lot of to be fair I feel like Gibson and their >> CN D's legal pursuits >> are usually a little more grounded. Like I have a friend that makes uh let's pull style instruments and the things they called them out for and said, "Hey, you have to stop doing this." was trust rod shape, pick guard shape, like obvious things that I do think >> infringe upon their mark uh and and and and the look of the instrument. So like I I think that's fair. But just to say that something that's public domain the shape you're like can't do it is is is ridiculous.

[00:38:08]>> Yeah. And I think >> and Gibson is is been wrong. I think going after the cornet with satellite was kind of you know like I understand why they did it but it's crappy.

[00:38:15]>> But I think a lot of it too is that like you know so so much of >> Sorry Matthew be right back.

[00:38:22]>> Thanks man. We're good. It's USPS so we going to be dropping everything off today. Um, I think part of it is that like there's >> got to be at least some sort of disconnect between the current Fender uh, management and like the old totality of the brand, >> right? It's sort of like anything like, you know, if you're talking about like Disney, it's like, well, you know, you can still watch old Disney movies if you don't like, you know, Bob Iger or something. You know what I mean?

[00:38:51]>> Right. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:38:51]>> Because or the way they've screwed up Star Wars or whatever and you're all mad about it and it's like, it doesn't make, you know, Cinderella or Lady in the [ __ ] a bad movie. It's like there's so much like cultural sort of cache that they have in there. Maybe it makes you not really want to buy a new one, but it doesn't mean you should go and and you know sell all your fenders. It's like >> that's more it. Yeah. It's like if you don't like what they're doing, you don't have to support them any further. But the one thing I like to think about and this is what people have told me and you know when I when I've been annoyed at Gibson and thought, you know what, I'm just done. Um, >> these guitars are made by people who are employed, who are trying to make a living and and and make a life for themselves.

[00:39:29]>> And like they they are they are the company. Like I know that the company is a private equity firm now and it's gross and they're going after stuff, but like Fender wouldn't exist without the people that are making it and they make the instruments, not these guys who sit in offices all day. And I Well, [laughter] >> I'm just kidding. But I want to support like that idea by having these instruments that I genuinely like.

[00:39:52]Especially like this guitar. I I'm kind of hot or cold on it. Like I'm lukewarm on it.

[00:39:57]>> Yeah. You fought that thing a little bit.

[00:39:58]>> Yeah. I I think I just [clears throat] need I I think the thing with most single coil guitars is I want really hot pickups. So I think I just need to go hotter. I'm gonna I'm gonna call John at throwback and say put as many wines as you can get on that thing. Um but my Esquire >> I think is that's an alltimer. I think >> you love that guitar.

[00:40:14]>> That guitar is perfect. M >> uh and so I don't think anything Fender could ever do would ever do unless they did something I mean I don't know what they could do to make me want to sell bagar because I love it so much.

[00:40:29]>> Yeah. And I think that like you know people talk about boycots and all that stuff. It's like you don't have to like call for a boycott. People will just will buy what they want and people will vote with their wallets. And if people are absolutely ab uh like upset with Fender and go like, "This sucks. I'm going to look at something else." Then it'll naturally happen. You don't have to make social media posts about it or like rally people at NM to have like a like a sit in. None of that crap. It's just >> we already have enough of those religious nuts that come to N.

[00:41:00]>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:01]>> Get them out of there.

[00:41:03]>> But, you know, I think that I think people might, you know, that haven't really looked at some stuff in a while might take a peek. And that's that's, you know, that's uh that's up to them.

[00:41:11]>> Yeah.

[00:41:12]>> Is it time I sold my fenders to finance a Novo last? You know how to sell your fenders? You just call us and get one with a firm.

[00:41:19]>> Yeah.

[00:41:21]>> Let's do that. Yeah.

[00:41:22]>> I don't like buying things on credit.

[00:41:24]Even I know we we offer it.

[00:41:25]>> We offer it because it's kind of hard not to because people ask for it >> and they go we go, "Okay." I'm not a fan of it. I'm a cash man.

[00:41:32]>> Yeah.

[00:41:32]>> I want cash man. I like paying full price. [laughter] >> That's how much it's worth. Look at the flame on the neck of the Oh, yeah.

[00:41:46]>> Matthew really does not like that really fast VBR singing that I do sometimes.

[00:41:49]It's like a weird Elvis thing.

[00:41:51]>> It's It sounds more like Hank Hill to me.

[00:41:53]>> Oh, yeah. It does kind of have a little >> Yeah. Yeah. That's [laughter] Jeez, come on, man. I might have to get water. I feel a little weird right now.

[00:42:02]>> Oh, that Nothing like some bubbles to fix your >> T too much coffee and not enough wet.

[00:42:06]Uh, is there anything else that we should talk about, chat about?

[00:42:09]>> Did we run out of stuff to talk about?

[00:42:10]>> No, we have plenty to talk about, but I I want to make sure that we're serving the community. I want to make sure that we're pleasing them.

[00:42:16]>> Did anything come out this week? Any pedals? We talked about the >> and whatever comes out of the community, I want to, >> you know, >> I want it.

[00:42:23]>> I want it.

[00:42:24]>> Give [laughter] it to me. [snorts] >> Give it.

[00:42:26]>> Give it to me. All right. So, so, uh, here's a good question for you, Zachary.

[00:42:32]Um, you got your we we teased it on the show last week, but you got did you have your uh your new Mariana?

[00:42:39]>> No, it's at home.

[00:42:40]>> It's at home, so we didn't be able to show it off.

[00:42:42]>> No, I forgot. Uh, it's great.

[00:42:44]>> I know.

[00:42:45]>> I'm starting to like like I don't >> It's a brand new like package for you.

[00:42:49]>> Yeah, it's totally different.

[00:42:50]>> Semihollow, a mastery bridge and trim in P90s is like >> shape.

[00:42:54]>> And a telly shape. This is a completely different guitar for you.

[00:42:57]>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I uh I unless the guitar like I like like I've had guitars where I buy them. I'm like, I like this. And then it I have to get to know it before I'm like in love with it.

[00:43:10]>> Uh and I'm getting to know it and every time I pick it up and play it, I'm like, "Oh, okay. Okay."

[00:43:16]>> Yeah. The only thing I I I want for that guitar and it's is going to be really annoying um is I want a gig bag because I because the case and keeping the mastery arm in it.

[00:43:27]>> You have to keep the mastery arm on.

[00:43:28]>> Well, you don't have to, but like >> I don't know. Don't tell Woody.

[00:43:31]>> U Yeah.

[00:43:32]>> It uh it it just it pushes it too much and it's like I don't want to mess up the case that much. So, I want to put it in a bag and bags are easier anyway.

[00:43:41]>> Uh so, I can move it around and just leave the arm in.

[00:43:44]>> Oh, yeah. Rock and roll question of the week. I had a good one. I had a good one. I'll do the rock question. Should we go look at the LPD pedal though real quick?

[00:43:50]>> Yeah. Uh the spearhead guy, have you considered a two-tiered pricing option with a new line of S&T or through hole?

[00:43:57]No, >> I can't I don't have the the the physical or mental capacity to offer the same pedal in through or S&T >> because first off, from the outside, who cares? You know, who's going to know unless they look entirely different? So that's double boards, double enclosures.

[00:44:15]A one that's >> easy to manufacture for me is one person now.

[00:44:20]>> Uh and another that is extraordinarily not easy.

[00:44:24]>> So no, I would I can't do that. I will consider doing like >> like runs of stuff.

[00:44:31]>> But but I would never have both. That [clears throat] is I can't do that. It's as one person >> making all the boards and stuff. It's not tenable. Um, what what was what's your rock and roll question?

[00:44:43]>> All right. All right.

[00:44:44]>> Oh, we got a tube chat.

[00:44:47]>> How >> pedal question. How much does stereo bump cost price?

[00:44:51]>> Stereo?

[00:44:53]Uh, >> like if we're adding it to like a like a like a >> a phase >> modulation pedal.

[00:44:58]>> It it it depends. It depends on the circuit. I mean, it's like adding stereo and like define stereo. Uh, you know, does it need to be stereo in and out?

[00:45:10]>> You know, like it it adds it can add a lot. I mean, a lot of people will add a dry out.

[00:45:16]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:17]>> Or something. Um, but I've it's none of the pedals we've ever made ever had a need for that and nothing I ever wanted to pursue. But having looked at a lot of schematics over the years and looking at stuff for stereo signal routing, uh it does it adds, you know, it's a whole another signal path.

[00:45:35]>> Yeah.

[00:45:35]>> So, um it would add not it's not extraordinary, but it will add cost. Uh but thank you, Eric, for that question and chat.

[00:45:43]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:44]>> Um >> Josh Scott's built guitar.

[00:45:47]>> Oh, so we did not talk about that.

[00:45:50]>> Should we go look at it? Um >> everybody knows which one they're talking about that >> I played it at N. Uh, >> come on.

[00:45:58]>> Uh, let's see. Built. Bil. Sorry.

[00:46:02]>> Freudian slip >> bilk. [laughter] The built revelator.

[00:46:09]>> So, it's it's made in Korea or something.

[00:46:11]>> Uhhuh. It's an import built >> uh based on the the custom built that Josh had for a long time.

[00:46:17]>> Yeah. God, >> that guitar is >> Yeah. Uh, so they I saw this at Woodwire Volts. They the guys have built uh are incredibly nice guys and uh they >> Yeah. Way too nice.

[00:46:32]>> Too nice. Stop being so nice. Stop being so nice.

[00:46:35]>> Super nice. And uh they were like, "Hey, you want to see something cool?" I'm like, "Always." You know, >> they're like, "Whoa."

[00:46:40]>> And uh they pull I'm like, "Oh, this is going to do well." And they told me how many they were making for the first batch. I was like, "Not enough."

[00:46:48]>> [laughter] >> I was like, just take whatever number you think and uh add a zero.

[00:46:52]>> Double it and add 30.

[00:46:53]>> Yeah. Um Oh, yeah, definitely. That would have been it. Um but [clears throat] uh you know, it it's an import guitar. It wasn't uh it wasn't bad by any stretch of, you know, the imagination, but it wasn't like you didn't pick it up and, you know, go like, "Wow." like cuz like I've played some other builds and you pick them up and like you know USA made builds like okay nice nice instrument.

[00:47:17]>> Um but it's still a really cool idea >> and uh and I think it's awesome and the best thing about it >> the absolute best thing about it is all of the profit that Josh would have received he's going to put to his nonprofit his art project where he's going to give children guitar lessons and music lessons for free.

[00:47:36]>> There it is.

[00:47:37]>> So >> how could you not love that? like that.

[00:47:39]That's beautiful.

[00:47:40]>> Honestly, that alone makes me want to have one because I think that's great.

[00:47:45]And I think >> What does all the switches do? What's going on here?

[00:47:48]>> That I do not know. So, we've got those two Firebird pickups, a lipstick, and a Jaguar pickup that we're doing here. And then we've got >> three uh toggle switches, and then a and a three-way blade.

[00:48:01]>> I don't know if it's Well, here. Let's see.

[00:48:04]>> Uh no, let's just let's just guess.

[00:48:06]>> Oh, kill switch.

[00:48:07]>> Okay. and in a middle a neck middle or bridge middle selector. So you have you basically get your five positions.

[00:48:15]>> Um >> Okay.

[00:48:16]>> But yeah, I mean it's cool idea. The only thing that really stinks about this is people got them and now they're trying to sell them for like USA built money on reverb and that's like >> are they going to do a run?

[00:48:26]>> Yeah.

[00:48:26]>> Yeah.

[00:48:27]>> Yeah.

[00:48:27]>> And I think it's great.

[00:48:28]>> Sorry, you probably already said that and I was thinking about lunch.

[00:48:31]>> Oh, I'm starving. Um >> Oh, I like this >> mini humbucker. Sorry. I thought it looked like Firebirds, but I couldn't see the poles.

[00:48:39]>> Those are I mean, those look like Firebird pickups.

[00:48:43]>> I mean, maybe it's just the cover.

[00:48:45]>> Firebird. Firebird.

[00:48:47]>> Firebird.

[00:48:49]Firebird.

[00:48:50]>> I would hope the guy that worked at Lawler Pickups would know the difference between a mini [laughter] and a Firebird pickup.

[00:48:56]>> Well, there somebody might put it might be built like a mini humucker underneath and they put that cover on it.

[00:49:01]>> You could.

[00:49:02]>> You could. I don't know how that would sound. I don't remember if anybody's done that. Well, yeah, it'd be two slug coils.

[00:49:07]>> One of my favorite things. I love this because I worked at Lawler and at Novo.

[00:49:12]Every [clears throat] single time, every single time someone's like, "Oh man, put some Firebirds in that thing cuz they look cool as hell." And they're like, "Let's get that bridge pickup the [ __ ] out of here cuz it [laughter] sucks."

[00:49:22]Every time. Every single time. And I try my best to not be that guy. And they'd order it and they're like, "Oh, no, dog.

[00:49:29]That's what I want." And I'm like, "No, you don't. No, you don't. Firebird neck pickup. Awesome. Put it in anything.

[00:49:35]Fireboard neck pickup, a fiber bridge.

[00:49:38]You ready? Are you ready, my friend?

[00:49:42]It >> It's It's a It's a It's a sound. So, if that's what you're going for, but you got to be ready.

[00:49:48]>> Why aren't many humbuckers ever uncovered? I mean, they could be.

[00:49:51]>> Yeah, that's the the PRS. They narrow fields.

[00:49:54]>> Yeah, the narrow fields kind Not exactly.

[00:49:57]>> It's its own thing.

[00:49:58]>> Yeah, you can take the covers off.

[00:49:59]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:00]>> Uh >> Oh, they're up for pre-sale right now.

[00:50:02]Yeah, >> you can buy them. So, >> um >> All right. All right, I want to do a rock and roll question of the week. I got a good one. Hit me.

[00:50:06]>> I got a good one. Okay, so I thought about this the other day and I think it's a fun question. It's very involved, so it's going to take up the rest of the time, but All right. What is your Zachary right now?

[00:50:16]>> Uhhuh.

[00:50:16]>> Your dream uh show >> dream like gig to go to.

[00:50:21]>> Yeah. Go to has to be and here's the parameters. Okay.

[00:50:24]>> It has to be something that could actually happen right now, right? So, yes, it would be great if it if you had Buddy Holly and Jimmyi Hendris and you know, but they all >> Oh, what an awful game. [laughter] >> Crickets and thinking about dead people.

[00:50:40]>> I see dead people. So, so I was thinking, okay, what would be my dream and that would be and like what's the what's the run order here? So, my dream show would be Saint Vincent, Masttodon, Queens of the Stone Age. That's what I want to go see.

[00:50:54]>> Okay. So, it's not like like super outlandish.

[00:50:57]>> No. Oh, no. It could be >> Can you form a band that people are still alive?

[00:51:01]>> It's got If you're going to make a reunion happen, yes, if you want to, but they you you can pick that if you want to. That's fine. Like, if you want Led Zeppelin, fine. You can have Led Zeppelin.

[00:51:11]>> Is it? But would it actually happen?

[00:51:13]>> No. So, that's mine. That's what I would pick. St. Vincent, Mastadon, Queens of the Stone Age. I was thinking about this because Queens is going out with System of a Down.

[00:51:23]>> Yeah.

[00:51:23]>> And they're going out with Foo Fighters.

[00:51:24]And I'm like I'm I'm like I like that they're going to be on a big show. This is great. Like you can pick reunions, but that's boring.

[00:51:32]>> Yeah.

[00:51:32]>> Pick some stuff that could actually have Smith is not going to happen.

[00:51:36]>> They're not doing that. The Smiths if it it's it's not going to happen. It'll never happen. Go ahead. Pick it. Uh >> yeah.

[00:51:44]>> Oh man.

[00:51:44]>> Like Led Zeppelin, Aerrol Smith and Bad Company. I mean that's that's I mean, you know, it could happen.

[00:51:51]I want to see. Okay, here's the show I want to go to this weekend. I want it at the can Canaryy Ballroom.

[00:51:57]>> I guess I got to pick the venue, too.

[00:51:58]Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:59]>> I mean, my show would be a Bridgestone.

[00:52:01]That's big enough. It would be a Bridgestone. Okay.

[00:52:02]>> Yeah. But I I >> I don't want it to be a Bridgestone, but that's >> I want I want it to be where I want it to be.

[00:52:08]>> It's like you got to be slightly realistic. You know what I mean?

[00:52:11]>> Uh >> Okay. Well, okay then. I'll say >> Okay.

[00:52:15]>> Oh, that changes it then.

[00:52:16]>> All right. Fine. Fantasy. Full fantasy.

[00:52:18]Fine.

[00:52:18]>> Full fantasy. Full fantasy.

[00:52:20]>> Yes. because I want my show to be at the basement east, but it's not going to happen.

[00:52:23]>> Yeah, why not?

[00:52:24]>> Because it's not gonna happen.

[00:52:25]>> It could happen if All right. All right.

[00:52:27]All right. All right.

[00:52:27]>> I think it could happen. Because here's why.

[00:52:30]>> Um >> I want to go to the Canary Ballroom or whatever the the hell they're calling it now.

[00:52:36]>> Uh and I want to see >> Okay.

[00:52:37]>> Minus the Bear.

[00:52:39]>> Cool.

[00:52:39]>> Open for Baroness.

[00:52:40]>> Uhhuh.

[00:52:41]>> With Metallica. [laughter] >> See there? That's where there it is right there. I love that. I love that.

[00:52:46]you know, because like I did get to see, you know, the sword and lamb of God open for Metallica, which is, you know, not the same show as that, but it was at Key Arena. It was a basketball arena in Seattle, but, you know, it's it's like I love that stuff, you know.

[00:52:58]>> I mean, that might be too That's hard.

[00:53:00]That's really hard.

[00:53:01]>> Well, I I think I'd pick something that could actually happen. Now, maybe that's me not being, you know, having a fantasy, but >> Baroness could open for Metallica.

[00:53:09]>> Absolutely. Absolutely, that could happen.

[00:53:11]>> I like Baroness. I know like some people >> the bear. There you go.

[00:53:14]>> Yeah. I I I it's been a long time since I've seen Minus the Bear, but I've always >> enjoyed uh every Minus the Bear show I've ever been to >> has always been great. And especially like some of the last shows.

[00:53:26]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:53:26]>> Uh cuz they like did a reunion. I don't even know if that counts cuz like they broke up, but they're doing reunion tours now.

[00:53:31]>> Yeah. Everybody's doing reunion tours and >> No, that'd be an awesome show. I mean, obviously seeing Metallica at a venue like that. I got I got to see them in a small club for the Saint Anger warm-up tour with Death Angel opening and they only played the first four albums and two songs from Saint Anger and it was I mean >> absolutely incredible. Absolutely incredible to get to see Metallica like that.

[00:53:53]>> That's really hard.

[00:53:54]>> Peter Green dead.

[00:53:55]>> Yeah, BB King dead.

[00:53:56]>> Peter Green dead. You didn't understand.

[00:53:58]It's got to happen tomorrow. You can reunite a band if they're all alive, but if they dead, they're dead.

[00:54:04]>> Not happening. I saw Metallica with Gojira and Lamb of God.

[00:54:07]>> There it is.

[00:54:08]>> Yeah, that'd be rad. Uh, Tone Bros. any hints on new product coming Idols Jack White. There it is. That's a great I'd love. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:17]>> Um, >> or I don't know. I don't know.

[00:54:20]>> If I want to go like modern like Geese and Idols tour together, it'd be like Geese, Idols, and Turnstyle. Like if you want to go like the the the three sort of like, >> you know, not the biggest, but like they've got the the most buzz for a rock and roll band in 2026. Throw turn style in there, too.

[00:54:35]>> Yeah, >> there you go.

[00:54:36]>> Um, okay. Uh, Tone Bros asked, "Any hints on new products coming into High Voltage?" Uh, what what >> Oh, somebody said, "Is this a hint?" I No, I have the shirt because I like Mesaoogie products. I've owned them. Uh, we have one in this room right now that's terrific. And I was given the shirt for my birthday.

[00:54:54]>> Yeah. Sometimes you just wear clothes that fit.

[00:54:56]>> Yes. [laughter] Whatever's clean. My wife's gone. It's getting a little scary.

[00:55:00]>> It's not on the floor yet. So, >> no, no, no. I do laundry the whole time she's gone because uh the girls uh have very specific things they want to wear and I don't want to fight that. So, I do laundry almost every night to make sure that they have the full slate of things that they want to wear. So, we get them dressed in the morning and there's no problems because the one day they're like, "This is the only thing I'm gonna wear."

[00:55:20]>> And you're like, "Cool.

[00:55:22]I'm avoiding that because I got to get >> I'm gonna go get that TC.

[00:55:25]>> Okay. Okay. Okay.

[00:55:27]>> All right. There you go.

[00:55:31]>> What do you mean? Backstreet lovers.

[00:55:34]Backseat lovers. Radio head and you too.

[00:55:35]That's good. Backseat lovers. Love it.

[00:55:39]>> Radio Head. Yes. Radio Head. Panta.

[00:55:42]Anthrax. Testament. Oh, that'd be a good show now. I mean, Zombie Panta is okay.

[00:55:47]Has anybody else seen Zombie Panta over the last couple years? I saw him open for Metallica a couple times and it was fun. It's nostalgic. It's a little weird. I do like the fact that Zach Wild plays all his stuff like himself and he's not trying to copy Dime, so that's cool, but it's still like not the best in my opinion, but whatever. So, >> whoa. Oh, yeah. So, what does that remind you of, Zachary?

[00:56:11]>> Uh, it reminds me of my old guitar.

[00:56:12]>> Is Paul on here?

[00:56:14]>> Paul, I don't think he is.

[00:56:19]>> Super resonant. Uh, >> David Gilmore and Radio Head. There's a show. Pick another band. Oasis. Do it.

[00:56:24]All Brits. Let's go. Pearl Jam, Mo, and Daw. See, I knew Mark would come through on that one. That's good.

[00:56:31]>> Uh, Angie, Buckethead, and Primus. I am going to that show. You know, you know, [laughter] I tried to get Angie tickets for here. Brooklyn Bowl. They sold out in two seconds. Couldn't get them.

[00:56:41]>> So mad.

[00:56:44]>> Let's see. Geese opening for the strokes. warming up for turn style with quotes as headlight. Jesus.

[00:56:50]>> Um, so this is one of the new great Novo >> Saras TC's.

[00:56:54]>> That's old school guitar.

[00:56:56]>> Brought it back.

[00:56:56]>> Brought it back.

[00:56:57]>> This I think is like so cool. I I >> You had one.

[00:57:01]>> I mean, basically I think the Schroeder bridge >> is is great, but this is like is as close as you can get. And is this like what's the story on the TC? Is this like a dealer? You know, >> it's a regular model now.

[00:57:14]>> It's a normal model. It's a normal thing. Anybody can keep track.

[00:57:18]>> Uh, but I like lad ladd.

[00:57:25]Oh, cool. All right. Sure.

[00:57:27]>> I mean, everybody has their opinions.

[00:57:28]It's all good. Um, let's see. Defton, Corn, and Limb Biscuit. Yes, the trio. I would absolutely go to that show. That'd be great.

[00:57:37]>> This guitar plays so good.

[00:57:39]>> That's great guitar. It's great guitar.

[00:57:40]>> Uh, but we got this. We got um uh >> you know my favorite part.

[00:57:47]>> My favorite part about this guitar is >> thumbs down.

[00:57:50]>> Thumbs down. Oh, cuz we're trying to sell stuff. Um my favorite part about this guitar was that we had Saras T back in the day and then a dealer just called and said, "Can I get two humbuckers on a Saras T?"

[00:58:01]>> And we're like, "Yeah, sure." And it took us a long time to like call it something else. So, it was still like listed as a Saras T with like two humbuckers and >> THH >> the T Saras TH and then we finally finally went with the TC. Um, and then it went away for a little while and now it's back. So, I'm a big fan of the chop telly bridge on stuff. I think getting that little extra bite, little brass saddles.

[00:58:23]>> Yeah.

[00:58:23]>> On with different pickups is a very cool thing. So, >> this one has like a real >> It has a really nice resonance to it.

[00:58:31]It's very lively.

[00:58:33]>> Um, and like There's something about I don't know like all Novo necks are great, right?

[00:58:39]There's no denying that.

[00:58:40]>> But this one, >> this one's real good. So, if anybody wants this guitar, >> uh, >> they have to pay for it.

[00:58:48]>> You got to buy it.

[00:58:49]>> But we'll sell it to you.

[00:58:50]>> We'll sell it to you. We will. Uh, some Tone Bros. Why no Firebird pickups in the Bridge of Novo?

[00:58:56]>> They stink.

[00:58:57]>> Okay. It's not that it sounds bad.

[00:59:00]>> Firebird. It's just a lot of times people end up going for something >> with a look, but that's not the tone they're after. And that's the hard part about a Firebird bridge is it looks amazing. And having that clean like nickel or chrome cover looks really good, but it's not the tone that anybody's really going for [clears throat] when they're getting it.

[00:59:22]If it is, then it can work great. It's just we have to kind of talk through it because it was just people were ordering it and they wanted the guitar to be mean and it's not going to be mean. It's not me. Firebird bridge pickup is >> like like really uh bright. Oh, I like this guy. Your band choices are also butt ugly. Cool. Watch this. Uh I want to click you >> and >> and then go bye-bye.

[00:59:46]>> Goodbye. [laughter] >> No, it's fine.

[00:59:53]>> Uh but anyway, >> what are the pick?

[00:59:56]>> Rudy with the cheap overdrive sold to them by Zack admit those pedals. Yeah, you know, I did that. I tried to upsell him by like 30 bucks and he wasn't having it.

[01:00:05]>> Wasn't what pickups are?

[01:00:07]>> These are the frail and pure PAF.

[01:00:10]>> Oh, they sound great.

[01:00:12]>> Um, bright and harsh. Uh, yeah, the bridge Firebird bridges is just thin and crappy.

[01:00:19]>> Um, >> I was being nice.

[01:00:21]>> They sound right.

[01:00:22]>> Yeah.

[01:00:22]>> I mean, you can make them sound okay, but it's like you shouldn't have to make things sound right. They should just be right. I'm, you know, it's it's people buy what they want to buy. It's just like I think that like it's hard sometimes, you know, always when we're doing this, it's important to uh act ask like what are you actually going for here? You know, and that was really my point is that like when people would say like what the guitar they wanted to sound like, I would never recommend the Firebird Bridge because no one's ever saying that that's what they want out of the bridge. Uh, >> is that it everybody?

[01:00:58]>> I need to build a plasma rifle and and a Robocop gun with my proton pack. I want to I want a blade rob.

[01:01:03]>> I mean, there is like another life where you just [music] a propmaster, you know?

[01:01:08]>> Love that.

[01:01:09]>> You guys buy enough pedals and then that's what he's going to end up doing.

[01:01:12][laughter] I'm done. I'm done. So, >> that guitar sounds plugged in.

[01:01:20]>> Yeah, it does. Novos are the loudest uh solid body electric guitars uh acoustically that you can get. I've never heard anything as loud.

[01:01:29]There you go. You hear how it sounds.

[01:01:32]>> You hear how it sounds.

[01:01:33]>> You know, that's the thing.

[01:01:34]>> Done Smith downstate. I played a Firebird at my local shop recently and it was my first experience of that guitar. I rather like the sound of the bridge. What am I missing?

[01:01:42]>> That's fine.

[01:01:43]>> It's the totality of the build, too.

[01:01:44]We're talking about like being at Novo with pine body bolt-on maple neck uh mastery bruisen trim. It's like the Firebird pickup in a in an actual Firebird with the the whatever woods and bridges. It's like it's a completely different thing. Also could be made and wound differently than the way they're made now. You know what I mean? There you go.

[01:02:05]>> Yeah. You know, like >> I I think sometimes Gibsons have honestly have a little bit better shot because sometimes on a standard production guitar >> Yeah. uh the the pots are not as high resistance, so they're inherently a little darker. So, you have a pickup that's really bright and you put in a dark >> pot and it's shaving off a lot of those frequencies. And so, it's like doing the guitar a service. Like, it's not always best to have like the best, highest resistance, best tolerance pot. You have to put what's best in your guitar. And when you have like really good pots like in this where there's a lot of clarity and you put a bright pickup in it, it's just like >> So, >> oh, people were asking why don't we plug in and play it?

[01:02:47]>> Because I don't have any.

[01:02:48]>> We just didn't we just we just forgot to.

[01:02:50]>> We were kind of get down to the wire today.

[01:02:52]>> We have to like, you know, make that decision before the stream that we're going to do that. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:02:58]Yeah.

[01:02:59]>> Anyway, okay guys, well, thanks for watching. Thanks to all of our friends that gave us a super chat.

[01:03:05]>> Thank you very much. Uh, Dax, Tricky, Trav, Eric Pike. Uh, we appreciate you guys.

[01:03:11]>> Two thumbs down.

[01:03:12]>> Uh, thanks for keeping us on later guy.

[01:03:15]>> You know, if if you just if you be a if you be a [ __ ] you get the you get the ring.

[01:03:19]>> You get the chop. You know what [laughter] I mean? You can disagree with us, but saying that my music choices are dumb is wildly incorrect.

[01:03:26]>> You don't have to like it. Just don't be a jerk.

[01:03:28]>> Yeah, it's okay. But it's my choices and my choices are cool.

[01:03:32]>> That's right.

[01:03:32]>> I'm a cool person. I'm a 45-year-old man who likes stuff from the 80s.

[01:03:38]>> You know what I'm saying?

[01:03:38]>> You like probably more stuff than I do that's current.

[01:03:41]>> I am a very current person, too. I do.

[01:03:44]Go Knicks. Game seven, Saturday night. I don't know if my heart can take it.

[01:03:49]We'll see you in the finals.

[01:03:55]Does it blacken? I still think that's that's a gold segment. Does it blacken?

[01:04:02]Let's go. Ah, it's so hard. All right, >> it's fine. Let's get out of here. I'm starving.