Dyer effectively exposes the intellectual hollowness of "churchless" apologetics, where avoiding dogma for the sake of utility results in a defense that lacks a coherent foundation. It is a sharp reminder that a faith without defined boundaries is ultimately impossible to defend.
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David, once saved, always saved. Depends on what you mean. That would be another issue.
>> So again, he won't even answer on the basics of Protestant teaching. I mean, what Protestant Evangelical person doesn't have some position on this? And why would he not want to take a position? Doesn't this demonstrate that they are doing churchless apologetics on purpose to have the broadest appeal so as to not alienate anybody on any basic theological teaching?
>> okay, here's here's kind of the case for it, here's the case against it. [music] And I would say, yeah, if you're actually genuinely saved, I would think that yeah, I get it. Like if you're if your name's in the in the lamb's book of life or something like that, it it would be weird to be erasing it cuz God, you know, knows it knows all this stuff from an eternal perspective. But uh how that would actually play out because you do have you got people like Bart Ehrman who's a Christian for years and then all of a sudden leaves it. And so I don't know how you want to describe that, but notice you don't hear me saying it because I don't I don't have firm positions on all this this stuff. Real quick. So no firm positions as an apologist on the basics of Christian theology. How are we saved? What does it mean to be saved? Is justification by faith alone true? Where do I go to church? Does it matter?
I was actually hoping I was just calling um because I wanted to I noticed that uh David you had some Orthodox on cuz you wanted to feel out what the position was of the Orthodox Church. I was actually hoping that I could do the same thing with you and see if I couldn't get a feeler for you. Is this not a fair question?
What the heck is this weirdo's church?
Does he even have one? And no, we're not asking for his actual denon his address, just what denomination, dude? There's no such thing as no church apologetics.
position >> or any church apologetics on several theological issues. Would you be willing to do that? Wait wait a second. So we're going to hold on. Just to make sure I'm we're discussing things that East Orthodox who were told us about theology and you don't want to defend any doctrine. Uh yeah, hold on hold on. We we we talk about your church right now.
We do don't ask don't ask no question about us now. Don't ask no question about us now. Well, I'm I don't understand. I just want to ask him a few things about his positions. Can I can I ask you a few things about yours?
>> Can I So these people are crazy, dude. And I keep trying to tell y'all, they're the lowest tier, dude. They're not even A-tier. They're not B-tier. They're not D-tier. They're not on the tiers.
They're underneath the bleachers, dude.
These people are garbage tier, bro. All of them.
No, I came on here to ask him a few questions about his >> See, David, you see what I'm talking about?
Instant Instant evidence. What did I tell you? What? David, he's not so strong anymore, right, David? We cracked him already. 30 seconds. What do you mean? We cracked him. By the way, look at that dude's What is that dude's skin care routine? Okay, I want to know what GayP Uncut's skin care routine is, cuz that dude has got the smoothest, sweetest girl skin over there. If he dude didn't have a beard, I'd be like, damn, boy, that chick fine right now.
Who is this Latino Latinx goddess right here?
She looking fine right now. She a big boy Latina, maybe? You don't like religion? Didn't Didn't David Wood just do an entire stream >> Muller's right here. Notice that all of these people will only talk about dumb [ __ ] All they want to do is talk about drama and dumb [ __ ] They will not talk about the issues. This is so transparent.
Okay, calm down. Calm down. I'm calm.
Didn't Didn't he just do an entire stream trying to figure out what the positions were?
>> Hold on. Hold on. Let me Let me say something, cuz I I I hate the framing.
David's Dude, who are even all of these Who's this random black dude down here looking like Ice-T, like Jim Bob said, looking like ghetto Ice-T?
We got a freaking uh GayP up there in the corner looking like What is it? He looks like a damn like if Eddie Bravo had a beard and was gay. Then we got this black dude down in the corner looking like uh ghetto Ice-T.
Looking like ghetto He looks like Ice-T if if Ice-T had been drinking sugar-filled iced tea for the last 10 years.
That's Ice-T on iced tea, right? And then we got David Wood up in the corner looking like looking like damn Waldo up there. Who's that dude in the middle?
Oh, by the way, isn't this the whole like former gangster ethos, right? All of these dudes Oh, we was former cholo gangsters, bro. Hey, dude.
We was like totally homies or whatever and then like we saw the model the rules laws raptors, bro. And then we figured out we can make bank, bro.
That's how we just bodied everybody from our gamer chair, dude. Just [ __ ] sitting in my gamer chair in my blank ass apartment. Dude's in a blank apartment. Ain't got nothing on the walls.
And who's ever been to a Latino house with nothing on the walls? Dude's in the corner like he got he got put in time out. JP's arguments are so bad he unconsciously put himself in the corner in time out cuz he knows it's no good, dude. He knows it's garbage. said, "I know nothing of Eastern Orthodoxy. Yeah. So, I'm going to watch a video and let actual Eastern Orthodoxy respond.
>> Right. David giving his minimal >> That's what I want to do. I at least I've got to get me out of here. You have a bad You give a minimal expertise on it. So, he's trying Please go [ __ ] yourself. I would like to ask you [ __ ] questions about you.
[laughter] Do Ice-T need to chill out, man? Ice-T Ice-T went right into cop killer mode.
Remember Ice-T? Cop killer. Ice-T's a boomer now. He done He done snapped. He went back and he did he dissociated went back into 1991 cop killer mode.
I want to know.
I don't know.
Exactly. All you got to do is impersonate these dudes and they will lose their mind.
Yo Andrew, bro. By the way, I'd like to know the actual gang history of these people cuz it's the same as Ruslan, right? Ruslan like, "Yo, I was I was in a gang, yo. I was like I was a teenager in a gang living that gang life, bro. I got sent to uh detention." He's like, "I got sent to detention, dude. And uh picked up a chick track, dog. That's how I started reading my Bible, bro.
Yo, I was a hard gang banger, dude. I mean, like, I'm talking about like Sour Patch Kids was was going up missing.
Nobody knew who done it.
Uh I'm talking about like the teacher had to give me a paddling one time. And I got like four extra licks, dog. I was hardcore, living that banger life, dog.
But it's a Christian channel, man.
Please don't cuss.
>> So, you want to ask David Wood some questions What's the determination of cuss word, by the way? Why is poop okay, but [ __ ] is not? Please explain that. Give me a coherent answer for that. questions about theology?
I just wanted uh see if I can Does Who cannot realize these people are just idiots? They're actually just idiot. They don't know anything. In fact, if it turns out, I'm not saying that they are cuz I don't know, but if it turns out that they're actually a bunch of just grifter or fed people, just stirring up crap or not, I'll actually respect it more than if they're actually just dumb. Just actual Saint Dunning-Kruger goobers. And ask him I'm not even going to ask him about his theology necessarily, have him defend it. I'm not even looking to debate it.
>> I just want to figure out what some of his positions are. Why can't we get his, bro? Why do we always have to I I Hang on. Hang on. If you If you'll chill out Dude, if he said he's Orthodox, then you ought to already know what his positions are, if you even know the basics. So, why can't David Wood say what his church is in terms of the basics? Right? You can ask me same thing. What's your position? I'll give you my position. I'll ask you what's your position. Give me your position, right? No We don't even have to debate.
We'll just get the positions on record.
That seems fair, right?
>> Yeah, by the way, saying a bunch of heretical nonsense is actually 10 times worse than saying uh the word [ __ ] okay?
Yeah. And I've never heard a convincing argument as to why [ __ ] is bad, because all the same people will say, uh no, you could say the brown stuff that that uh emits from the bottom, and you can say the poop that comes out of the bottom hole, but if you say the word [ __ ] you are a sinner. Well, I guess if if if David's okay with it. So, then the prompt here is the reason that you're here is you want to know if David has a certain understanding. Who cannot see that this is all meta-debating? It's all debating about debating.
That's the number one faking gay tactic of everybody faking gay. Who cannot see this? This is all that they've done.
This is all that is I've never even seen them do anything else. I mean, I know David Wood has only done anti-Islamianity podcasts for a zillion years, but this is all a meltdown because people just want to know what your position what church are you even defending? Or a certain view that's similar to yours?
No, it's actually I I don't actually know what any of these guys' positions are. I've been looking and looking and looking, and I don't I don't I don't actually Is that on any of the topics that Well, we have to ask BB what the the positions are. Is it on Orthodox topics or the teachings?
What do you mean? Yeah, so what we're covering tonight, is it on anything on those topics that we've been covering, or is it just something off the Hey dude, we ain't got to answer none of your questions, bro, because like in the title it just says uh talking about hating on the Orthodox bros, dude.
So, look, homie, like maybe you probably got to like get a little bit nicer or whatever, like hey bro, no four-letter words, dude. Wall, the fielder, what are we talking about?
Well, wait a No, I don't think it has much to do with Eastern Orthodoxy, no.
Oh, okay.
>> But, the purpose for me calling in wasn't for that. The purpose was for me to respectfully request, if I could just ask to get some of the positions on record, so I know what they are.
>> his own man. If he wants to answer, go for it.
>> Yeah, but after David tells you his position, can Moller ask you a question?
Sure. All right, go ahead. Go ahead, David, tell us. Are you a Unitarian, a Oneness, or a Trinitarian? Uh David, I I I don't Am I Am I Am I going to be allowed to I'm sorry, am I going to be allowed to ask the questions? So, I was wondering if we could start with a position um do you believe in the five solas? Um kind of kind of rough cuz I I think in terms of probabilities. That's that's kind of the issue. That's why you don't >> So, David Wood doesn't even know if as a Protestant Evangelical he affirms the solas and he says he thinks in terms of probabilities. What does that have to do with whether or not you believe that the New Testament teaching is sola fide, sola gratia? So, I mean, that's just bizarre. Hear me. And that's why I don't go around um kind of So, he can't even say if he believes the minimal Protestant doctrines. dogmatically defending certain positions. Um like it As far as I can tell, um like most people they say, "Okay, the evidence I have points in this direction, so I'm going to go with that position." Whereas me, I'm thinking generally um okay, the evidence I'm aware of points in this direction, but there's all kinds of evidence that I may not be aware of, so I may So, as a Protestant Evangelical doesn't even know if he believes the basics of Protestant Evangelicalism. not be I mean, I may be, you know, it may Learning the extra evidence may point a different direction. So, I don't know, things have to reach a certain threshold before I'll start actually um advocating them. So, >> Do you believe in them? I'm I'm saying I'm I'm I'm open I'm open to presenting otherwise, but I generally >> or no? Is that a yes or no? No, okay, no.
>> He answered already. Now, I'm willing you have a >> Yeah, real quick, Andrew, do you know what the five solas are? Uh no, I no idea. I've no clue.
>> Okay. All right, go ahead. Uh so, then Oh, wait, Andrew's being joking because Andrew is a former Calvinist. Of course, he does know the solas. David, once saved, always saved. Um depen- depends on what you mean, but that would be another that would another issue.
>> So, again, he won't even answer on the basics of Protestant teaching. I mean, what Protestant Evangelical person doesn't have some position on this? And why would he not want to take a position? Doesn't this demonstrate that they are doing churchless apologetics on purpose to have the broadest appeal so as to not alienate anybody on any basic theological teaching.
>> where I'd be like, "Okay, uh here's here's kind of the case for it. Here's the case against it." Um And I would say, "Yeah, if you're actually genuinely saved, I would think that yeah, I get it. Like if your name's in the in the Lamb's Book of Life or something like that, it it would be weird to be erasing it cuz God, you know, knows it knows all this stuff from an eternal perspective. But, uh how that would actually play out because you do have you got people like Bart Ehrman who's a Christian for years and then all of a sudden leaves it. And so, I don't know how you want to describe that. But, notice you don't hear me saying it because I don't I don't have firm positions on all of this stuff." Real quick, man. So, no firm positions as an apologist on the basics of Christian theology. Are we saved? What does it mean to be saved? Is justification by faith alone true? Uh where do I go to church? Does it matter?
Um That's pretty wild, actually.
Rachel, what did you want to say? Yeah, I was just coming in with some breaking news. Um Andrew was thinking earlier that it was very strange that David Wood and these guys got so upset with you for just simply saying the word "bingo" to a Muslim and that it like started all this.
And he was just like he couldn't figure it out. This is how his brain works.
He's like, "This doesn't make sense. I don't get it. Why are Why is there now this grand conspiracy of like Orthodox in cahoots with Muslims to get these guys when there's no evidence of that?
Jay didn't even know any of this stuff."
He's like, "Something else is going on here." And he was thinking about how, you know, David Wood and AP and a lot of these dudes have sponsorships or funding from Zionist organizations.
So, during his chill stream this little while ago, which you wouldn't have been able to see cuz you're doing your space.
Uh he saw that David Wood and that JP Uncut guy and two other bozos were doing a YouTube live. So, Andrew asked if he could join and ask them a few questions.
Yeah, I streamed I just I just streamed it. Yeah, yeah. He joined their stream.
>> Right. And uh asked them some questions. And they did like a back and forth like, "Hey, David Wood, if I ask you, hey, do you you believe then you can ask me one back and we'll go back and forth so we can find each other's positions on things.
Cuz Andrew's like, I don't know a single position this guy has on theology, politics, nothing. Like, I can't think of a single position that I know this guy holds. After 20 years of doing apologetics, I guess, right?
He just in all that time he never got curious, I suppose.
And so, he asked him these basic stuff like, do you believe in faith alone, grace alone, do you believe in sacraments, do you think baptism is necessary, do you believe in PSA, the virgin birth, just like a Mhm. series of questions.
And every time David would basically give a super vague answer like, oh, I kind of lean towards it, or I'm not sure. He just refused to commit on anything. So, Andrew did the same thing back. He did the same thing back. So, they'd ask him, well, what do you believe? Do you believe in PSA? And he'd go, I don't know, what's that? I don't know. And these goofballs, first of all, didn't even understand what Andrew was doing. They actually thought he was just dumb and dumb.
>> No, no, I I was I was streaming I was streaming Andrew on there, and I said, Andrew is playing their game back to them. Yes, yes, that's I didn't know that you were streaming I didn't know that you were doing that, but yeah, and so, when Andrew got off with them, he was like, holy [ __ ] Jay vindicated again. Jay like figured this out that these guys are it is apparently in fact a grift, because how are you doing apologetics for two decades and you have no position on anything theological. You have no position on anything political, but you're in a battle to save the West from Islam. Like, what on earth is this? What is this?
It's so crazy.
Well, again, >> again, and uh everybody knows I think Sam Shamoun is a loon, but Sam Shamoun also was correct on this point, because he has been working with these people, and he figured out, hey, wait a minute, how come David Wood doesn't know anything about anything other than anti-Islam Islamianity?
And then they had their their beef and that led to Shahmoon figuring out that actually David Wood intentionally will never talk about any other topic because it would expose the problems. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm pro-Sam Shahmoon Shahmoon because I'm over here saying that he's correct on this point. Like Right.
>> everybody's got to recognize that people can get things wrong and they can get things right. Like everybody can.
All of us are going to get some things wrong.
I think the only logical conclusion you can make from that because it's totally insane. That would be like that would be like if I wrote all these books against feminism and I knew nothing about like patriarchy whatsoever. I just had no clue. Like people could ask me the most basic questions cuz his his excuse was like oh, I just don't trust myself to learn those things. I just try I don't trust myself to figure it out so I just don't even bother. I just don't even try. And Andrew is like there's no way.
This is definitely like a Andrew thinks it's a political strategy that these guys are propped up by Zionists, they're funded by Zionists and their whole job now is to basically accuse Orthodox of being in league with Muslims which would probably work out a lot of evangelicals because they're just like oh Orthodoxy is Middle Eastern and weird and Islam is Middle Eastern and weird so they must be on the same team against us good American Zionist evangelicals.
>> Yeah, even though even though Russia was one of the main opponents of ISIS in the last 20 years.
Yeah, well, you don't have to go that deep with most of the evangelicals. They don't know any of this stuff. So Andrew just I think he's kind of thinking this is like a political it's ultimately like a political thing that these guys are doing more than Yes. uh a religious thing whatsoever. So I just thought it was interesting to watch that video for the first time and it's like, I don't believe for a second that you can have a show called Apologetics Roadshow and be doing this for two decades and just go, "Yeah, I have a PhD in in other things and I know everything about every Muslim Hadith, but I've just I don't trust myself to understand Christian theology, so I just don't try." That does not make sense. Something is super >> other thing too that's odd is Yeah, and and remember David Wood comes out of Fordham University and Fordham is the hub of Jesuit subversion of the Orthodox world through trying to make it fake and gay on record for decades. So, it's not surprising to me that Wood comes out of Fordham and eventually when he encounters basic opposition about Churchill's apologetics, suddenly the Orthodox are the bad guys.
Great great point, yeah. Now, I appreciate Andrew going on there and I think this is very effective.
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