Times Radio Melts Down Over Reform UK’s Two Tier Policing Argument

Añadido: 2026-06-05

[00:00:13]Hello everyone. Welcome to yet another day in this the clown decade. The decade where things are only going to get worse before they get better. If you want to keep up with all things clown decade, please do of course subscribe to the channel and of course become a channel member. Right, today it's a little bit of a follow-up video to my video yesterday glazing Zia Ysef for his excellent conquest of the British media.

[00:00:39]And today there are obviously reactions not just to Z Ysef but also to Nigel Farage and the rest of Reform as well who are all rightly outraged at the fact that an 18year-old lad was stabbed to death in Southampton and the police put cuffs on his wrists while he was bleeding out pleading for help. And I exclusively want to go through some Times Radio clips because I've said it quite a lot on this channel and certainly in the Discord. I listen to an awful lot of Times Radio because it is pretty much the Uni Party condensed into a radio station. And every now and then they'll have reform people on either for interviews that are usually somewhat combative, which uh I'm not complaining about. All interviews for politics should be combative. Or there will be podcasts that are basically just the uni party on steroids. Just take a look at how to win an election, which I genuinely really like. One, because you get a bit of a history of the naughties 2010s coalition and Tory governments and how the Lib Dems and Labor reacting to them and how they just clearly can't navigate the modern political discourse, which is exactly what this video is about. They've now had 2 years of reform. Not only rising in the polls, that happened over a year ago now, but winning polls. They're over 200 consecutive polls where they're in the lead. And it doesn't look like that's changing anytime soon, even with Restore trying to eat into their votes, which by the way, Times Radio, they're not going into any detail of the stuff I've gone into with Restore. They're basically there saying, "Yeah, they're basically just like Reform, but eating into them."

[00:02:23]So, we're quite happy about that. But anyway, this is not a video on that.

[00:02:27]This is a video on how these people react to reform, as everyone says, saying what we all think. So, first up, it's the conversation about ZUSA versus Kathy Newman. And it is an opinion put forward by Mikey Smith, who is deputy political editor of the Sunday Mirror.

[00:02:46]>> Um, I've been thinking an awful lot about an interview that um reforms. I think I saw him call himself the shadow home secretary the other day.

[00:02:56]>> He is the shadow home secretary. No, no, but seriously, he is just the home affairs spokesman, but he will be the home secretary. Don't get me wrong on that one.

[00:03:04]>> Um, Zia Yousef uh gave on Sky News uh last night with uh Kathy Newman.

[00:03:11][snorts] And uh it made me slightly concerned uh about a a problem that I think we're going to come up with more and more. I mean, it's it's just great seeing the blatant wagon circling.

[00:03:26]Honestly, you should watch the video from yesterday. You don't need to watch the whole thing, just the Kathy Newman bit. But it was an excellent retort to Kathy Newman, who was basically the whole time just trying to say, "You're stoking up racial tensions, aren't you?

[00:03:39]You know, white lives matter. What you talking about?" How can you possibly say that we should be outraged about this guy who's been stabbed as a result of two-tier policing and it's just completely turned around by Z Yousef saying this is all very hypocritical.

[00:03:53]You kept saying that the rage about George Floyd is justified in Britain despite the fact it's over in America and did you not feel rage when you saw the body cam footage? And Kathy Newman couldn't answer any of that because it makes his point for him >> uh in the not too distant future, which is politicians, people in politics, uh not engaging with the media in good faith.

[00:04:16]>> I mean, it's just an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Kathy Newman started the interview off in bad faith, effectively saying that anyone who says that you are not even right but okay to be outraged by this is stoking violence which just is not true. The idea that people would not be outraged unless Nigel Farage told them it was okay to be outraged is absolutely absurd. People saw the body cam footage. Everyone was outraged, including Kathy Newman and all of the left. It's just when Nar Farage says it's okay to be outraged, that's bad, far right, and black shirty.

[00:04:53]>> So, when you get someone in to do an interview with, John, you kind of have an expectation that they're there and are interested in answering questions.

[00:05:01]>> Zia did answer questions. He just answered questions with another question. That's perfectly a perfectly valid way to answer questions. You know, even in normal conversation, do you want pizza tonight? Uh, sure. Can we have pepperoni or maybe some mushrooms on it?

[00:05:17]That's answering a question with a question. You know, that's what Zia Yousef did. But because it was done in a way that embarrassed Kathy Newman, they can't possibly say that this is a good faith reaction despite the fact it is. The good faith in it is, okay, because it was a bad faith question to begin with. By the way, you're bad people for inciting violence, aren't you? Well, did you not feel outraged by this body cam footage, Miss Newman?

[00:05:45]How's that an unreasonable bad faith response to a bad faith question, by the way?

[00:05:51]>> Yeah, you both have this idea, you know, this this general sense that the reason they're there is to glean some information that maybe your listeners don't have or at very least to find out what they think about an issue. I don't think anyone was in any doubt of what Z Ysef thought about the issue after that interview. What are you talking about?

[00:06:08]You know exactly what Zia Ysef thinks because even in that interview he was saying it. Just because it's not just because it's under some subtext. Some of it was blatant by the way, but just because some of it's under subtext doesn't mean he didn't answer the question and we don't know what he thinks. I think of all politicians Zf is the one when nobody's in any doubt as to what he thinks. He is the most blatant I hate the uni party politician ever. And he is the most we are going to get Britain to be a land of equal laws, as fair opportunity as we can possibly deliver, and a land of prosperity.

[00:06:46]That's why so many people like him.

[00:06:48]That's why an awful lot of people in reform cite him as one of their favorite politicians. He's always at least in the top five in the rankings for good reason.

[00:06:59]And it became very clear during this interview uh that Z Ysef gave uh last night. I watched it uh in in in the newsroom and I was kind of a go throughout.

[00:07:10]He had no interest in being interviewed whatsoever. I mean he gave this interview from the back of a limousine Man of the People.

[00:07:16]>> He had no interest in the interview. He was on there for 12 minutes. He was very interested in being interviewed because the whole point of Zia Ysef is that he is a man who holds up a mirror to the establishments. Whether that be politicians or whether that be people in the media, he has all this information at the fingertips. And you don't like that he called Kathy Newman out on the hypocrisy. That's why again, political journalism, it's all a club. They're protecting their own here. This is just wagon circling. And again, it's a point that I'm going to have to make over and over again. They would not be doing this if reform were actually establishment.

[00:07:54]They're not only protecting their own political journalists, they're also protecting their own politicians. You've got Dan Hodgeges gleaning over Kem Bay.

[00:08:05]Labour simps who are supposed to hate the Tories are going to be supporting Kem Bay in the 2029 election because the Tories, as much as we're trying, they're just not dying. And it's basically because at this point, they're not Labor. This is why it's important to kill them both because as long as one isn't the other, they will keep managing to keep each other up. I my genuine hope is that reform manages to kill them both. But my god, it they've got a hell of a lot of inertia.

[00:08:36]>> He had two or three maybe set things to say and spent the rest of the interview trying to make Kathy Newman look silly.

[00:08:45]>> What do you mean trying? It was very successful. The only other time Kathy was that humiliated was with Jordan Peterson. Again, the whole interview was basically Zf rightly being outraged about the Henry Novak killing, murder, I should say, and Kathy Newman trying to say, "Yes, but what about the violence that you're going to be inciting by saying that it's okay to be outraged?"

[00:09:09]To which, yeah, the point back is, "Well, you were fine with promoting that stuff back in the BLM days. How is this any different? At least this happened in Britain. And again, the journalist defense force is out in full. Sorry, you can't try to make us look silly. He literally says in a little bit, sorry to spoil, but he literally says in a little bit, they're not playing the game. Yeah, good. That that's kind of the whole point of reform.

[00:09:36]>> Uh it was like a reverse gotcha. Um he he was throwing back questions to her >> and questions that you know and what the kind of questions that however you answer them they're you know going to clip it and make it look like you're saying something obscene when you're really not.

[00:09:56]>> Uh no it's not the point to make her say something obscene. She could say something perfectly reasonable, but it would still be clipped because the whole point is you're being a complete hypocrite or you're not outraged about this white guy being stabbed and police handcuffing him. You're absolutely correct. It is a loaded question, but she could just say, "Yes, I was outraged about this." But the problem she has then is that, "Oh, yes, that will be clipped. See, Kathy Newman says it's okay to be outraged about this because she was." And the thing is is that this this is like playing chess and just hanging your queen. and then complaining that the opponent took the queen. Like, what do you mean? You left it out in the open with absolutely no protection whatsoever next to a pawn. Of course, I'm going to take the queen. You can't complain about that. You put yourself in this position. [snorts] And And this is something I think that is on the rise. I think it's something I I'm always mystified when people want to interview Donald Trump cuz like what do you think you're going to get out of that? He's going to say the same things as he said to the guy before and it's not going to be true. Well, throwing away the Donald Trump comparison, what what did Zusf say that wasn't true? What did Zusef say that was a lie or not true? Because as he said, oh, he had like three or four things that he wanted to say. That's every political interview. Yeah, parties have party lines that they want to get out in interviews. How's that any different to the others? What are you talking about?

[00:11:19]>> So, I I think maybe we have a little bit of ego as journalists. you know, we're going to get the thing out of Donald Trump that that no one else could. We're going to get him to really say what he thinks.

[00:11:29]>> But, you know, Donald Trump has no interest in telling the truth to the American people. Well, the problem you actually have is that if the media don't interview Donald Trump, Donald Trump just either goes to alternative media or throws out his own press releases to YouTube or something like that and ends up effectually completely circumventing the media who then lose money and possibly even their press pass for future presidents who go beyond Trump.

[00:11:54]Same thing's completely true with reform. They completely circumvented the media. They threw out Farage's statement at 8:00 a.m. and the whole media was just brought around by the nose to the point, by the way, that News Night misqued him saying that he asked for white rage and had to apologize for it.

[00:12:15]So, I guess that's also part of the reason they decide to interview reform and Donald Trump because when they don't, they completely misquote and get into massive legal trouble over it because the media is genuinely incapable of being honest about reform and then have the audacity to say they're not good faith.

[00:12:32]>> I would suggest that perhaps Zf had no interest in being interviewed. what he had an interest in was [snorts] uh creating a bit of content that he could put on his social media that showed him standing up to uh an establishment journalist.

[00:12:48]>> No, that was obviously part of the intention. Uh the thing is is that it worked really well. There's been like four separate clips from that interview on his Twitter feed and of course on Tik Tok. And what's your average comment?

[00:12:59]This was really good. Z, can you keep doing this please? Kathy was a very very good journalist, great interviewer and she she did her best.

[00:13:07]>> Goodness me, if that was her best, it's absolutely shocking she's still in journalism to be honest with you. Again, why do people hate the media? Because they are blatant hypocrites and when anyone tries to come back at them, they circle the wagons like this. It's a club. Everyone can see it's a club and it's to the detriment of the British public. I think people who approach uh interviews in that way are almost sort of immune to it.

[00:13:35]>> Yeah. A really good way to be immune to the hypocrisy of the media is to not be a hypocrite yourself, which it's quite hard to cause earier use of a hypocrite.

[00:13:43]Anyway, he then equates reforms media strategy to rage baiting.

[00:13:47]>> The worst thing you can possibly do, you can be as well-meaning as you like, but the worst thing you can possibly do with with with people who are doing that is engage with them. because the second you engage whatever you say they've got content >> and that's what they're after.

[00:14:00]>> Uh he is sort of right but again the problem you've got is that you've put yourself in this position. You have made yourself moral arbiters. So what are reform doing? Well, listen, you're obviously not moral arbittors cuz you're completely hypocritical with your morals and they're complaining they've been found out.

[00:14:19]>> And I think Ze Yousef in his interview last night was not particularly interested in discussing the issue which was the murder of Henry Henry Novak.

[00:14:28]>> Sorry, no, but I completely refute that.

[00:14:30]The first question asked to him wasn't about Henry Novak. It was about is it right to feel rage about Henry Novak which could incite violence to which Zia Ysef instantly actually put it back to Henry Novak saying well shouldn't everyone be outraged by this?

[00:14:45]Are you not outraged by this? Sorry. Zia Ysef was trying to keep it on topic.

[00:14:50]Kathy Newman did her best to get off topic. And when she was doing that, Zia Ysef then went round to, well, you're just a massive hypocrite about Henry Novak and white lives matter then, aren't you? which I just a quick tangent, but people complaining about the words white lives matter being said are absolute morons. It has to be said.

[00:15:09]The problem with black lives matter wasn't the words black lives matter.

[00:15:12]Everyone agreed with that and wanted to obviously have the adage all lives matter which straight away that's what Farage did by the way. White lives matter as much as black lives matter i.e. all lives matter. But the thing is is that the whole attack ad with chemox say was about saying well she won't even say white lives matter this time but when George Floyd dies it was well yes black lives matter but all lives matter this time around it's I don't want to hear any of the ex lives matter but all lives matter which yeah they're basically saying the same thing I get that the problem is is that why was it so easy to say black lives matter then but she can't say white lives matter now and now she has to double down on it because otherwise it hands reform a win But again, it shows hypocrisy.

[00:15:55]>> I think he was interesting get in getting content for his Twitter account.

[00:15:59]And you'll be you'll be stunned to learn he has posted a clip from that interview not once, not twice, but three times >> since that interview four times now.

[00:16:09]Mate, >> I don't have a solution for this. I mean I as someone who is not um usually governed by offcom guidelines, my solution to for example ZF is to simply not ask him for an interview. You absolutely love to see it. Zia Ysef has crippled their ability to actually interrogate politicians properly so much that they're just resorting to not even going to play the game with them. If we do interview him, it just looks bad on us. And uh we can't be interviewing politicians who could be the next home secretary, by the way. Very likely to be, I would add. can't interview them because they embarrass us >> and just not bother because I don't have faith that it would glean any it wouldn't be of value to my readers.

[00:16:54]>> It would definitely be of value to your readers. Uh that's your problem. Um political journalism an awful lot of it.

[00:17:00]Uh the value they garner is effectively how does this further my career? You know, how how can I have a go at someone? And what he's basically admitted here is that I'm going to have a very difficult time having a go at Zia Yousef. And uh if that doesn't convert you to Zeanism, I don't know what will.

[00:17:19]Um I think the broadcast media has a particular problem because they can't do that. If if there was any sort of hint that because they're not engaging in the way, you know, because they're not to use a terrible phrase, playing the game.

[00:17:33]If if if reform politicians for example are not engaging as you normally would and so you say all right you can't come on the show then that becomes its own thing.

[00:17:44]>> There was a very good reason to let that play out again. Just he just admits it.

[00:17:49]He knows it's a really stupid thing to say to say oh they're not playing the game and I know I shouldn't say that.

[00:17:57]I've just admitted I shouldn't say that yet I've just said it.

[00:18:01]Yeah. He then goes on to almost twist himself round to then realizing that's also a bad move because then it's news everywhere. The mainstream media is scared of us and they don't want to talk to us. And well, Mikey here has all but admitted that. So yeah, that's why he says he doesn't have a solution. I know you don't have a solution. You're not used to politicians not being part of the club. This is why a lot of people are iffy about Zia Yousef because he is a man who's just completely uninterested in as Mickey said there playing the game. That's why an awful lot of us actually quite like him because we don't want someone who will play the game. We want someone who is going to destroy the game and that terrifies them.

[00:18:47]>> And you have to have a balance, don't you? You guys are under different obligations, regulatory that and just an obvious an obvious duty to in holding politicians to account. You have to talk to them. You have to put questions to them and let them give their their answers.

[00:19:01]>> Yeah, it is quite funny that Mickey's basically being told, don't say that you're being an idiot. Of course, we have to talk to them. Of course, we can't avoid talking to them. If we could avoid talking to them, then there would be absolutely no point in our job. And this is once again why I am such a believer in the Reform Party because they are making the very people who frame our entire national conversations panic because they can't frame it the way they want to anymore. It's great to see. Thank you very much. Reform very cool >> there. And I think you're right. Z Y Yousef is he's from the school of of of combat when it comes to interviews in very many cases. I think you're also right. It's just a product of his personality. And I think it's also the fact that he he does want to convey the impression that he's up against it when he's talking to journalists. So they don't they're not interested in seeing his arguments. They're part of a of the conspiracy almost.

[00:19:56]>> Yeah. Well, the massive problem you have with Kathy Newman is that it was very obvious, especially from her facial expressions, that she wasn't interested in any answer he was giving. She just wanted to morally cowtow him. And it's not quite worked.

[00:20:09]>> Well, not almost. I think they do present it as a conspiracy, a political and a media and another conspiracy to do them down and keep them in their box.

[00:20:17]>> Well, things like that Kathy Newman interview really don't help to be honest. And what also doesn't help is you're all having a conversation about not having them on your shows or at least not having them in the Daily Mirror. And basically the only retort to that was, well, we actually have a legal obligation to do that. To be fair to John the host here, he obviously doesn't take the same view as that. But reform aren't idiots. They they understand that not all the media is the same, but they do understand where the wagon circle and Mickey's very much on the circle the wagon side. And John's saying, Mhm.

[00:20:51]Yeah. But at the end of the day is saying, well, we obviously have to have them on and talk to them. What are you talking about?

[00:20:57]>> Which is why he does exactly what you said, surely, which is to cut the combative bits out and put it to his his, you know, his target audience so they can agree with him. You know, you're up against it. Is good on you.

[00:21:07]Take them on. that kind of thing.

[00:21:08]>> Yeah. Well, the problem you have is that then his audience, me, go through the entire 12 minutes and there was no saving grace for Kathy Newman at all there, which is why there's nothing you can actually bring up that Kathy Newman said. There's no citations here. It was all just vibes. I didn't really like the vibe of that. You know, Zia Yousef's got bad vibes and it was really bringing down the vibes of Kathy Newman and I don't like that. I want Kathy Newman to be the good vibe interviewer. And yet, as we all know, she's actually not really learned anything from the Jordan Peterson interview because again, all these people around her will have told her that was a great interview and she did nothing wrong. And that's why these people never learn and that's why reform have become necessary.

[00:21:48]>> Yeah, which is exactly what he gets in response and has been. I've been looking at his replies all day.

[00:21:54]>> Well, yes, of course he does. But you can't clip anything out of that either to make Kathy Newman look good. So, it doesn't really It's the implication that it's dishonest to do this. It's not.

[00:22:07]It's actually quite reflective of how the interview went because it was embarrassing once again for Kathy Newman. Anyway, it was good to see the meltdown over Zia Yousef. Luckily, there's another meltdown from Charles Corin, brother-in-law by the way, to David Mitchell, who uh doesn't have a great deal of good to say about the two-tier policing claim. Yes, of course they they've had some training and in a the heat of the moment in that panic. If you've had any sort of training, I I haven't, but I mean, you know, if you're a fireman, if you're a doctor, you know, when something goes wrong, there's a cardiac arrest. You you you just go you revert to training. That's what training is for. It's why they train soldiers.

[00:22:45]>> Ignore the way Jles is talking here with him being very animated. That's just how he is. Um the problem you've got is that there was no panic here. We saw the body cam footage. There was absolutely no panic whatsoever. And even if there was and you revert to training and your training is handcuff a man who's dying on the ground, then your training is bad. So yeah, thank you for making reforms point for them. I I think I don't think they've just gone to the woke manual. Imagine obviously we they treat a racially aggravated incident different now. What about domestic violence? That's different now. It used to be that a man was allowed to rape and beat his wife and within the bounds of the law and the police didn't even bother to show up. What in God's name are you talking about? This is the most ridiculous what about battery I think I've ever seen in my life. I'm not going down the tangent of how domestic abuse was dealt with in the past. But the thing is is that, you know, if we are dealing with these situations in the wrong way, we should change them. That that's implicitly what is being said by Jars Corin here. So again, he's he's agreeing with reform.

[00:23:49]>> This look, we all knew about this before it was in the papers, didn't we? I knew about it from X, from Elon Musk, from the appalling right, the sort of Twitter arty right in America who believe that we that Britain is a is an island of of uh a Muslim island is, you know, the Republic of Islamia or whatever they call it.

[00:24:07]>> Okay, we're now moving on to Muslims for some reason. I have no idea why. And I'm just trying to work out what the crash out is other than, you know, sure the American rights. We've got idiot minstrels in Britain who overe our problems here to Americans. But uh if if we could keep on the subject, you have at the start of this admitted that if there is a problem with police conduct and training, it needs to change. Hence, you brought up domestic violence. Great.

[00:24:33]Why have you now instantly pivoted to I hate the American right?

[00:24:38]What are you talking about? And it's all run by Sadi Khn and whites are being murdered in the streets and everybody's daughter has been taken by a grooming gang.

[00:24:45]>> I mean, yeah, there's hyperbole.

[00:24:48]I've read your articles, Charles. You use hyperbole all the time. What are you talking about? There is anti-white racism in Britain. We've known that for ages. There are grooming gangs going on.

[00:24:59]Your problem's hyperbole over that.

[00:25:01]You're a writer. They started this Henry Nova. never heard of him because obviously under the laws of what you could report while the court case was going on, we couldn't be told here. So I've had six weeks of it from America, just further examples that they give that we are this sort of socialist Islamic island. You're all over the place here. What what's your actual issue with the American right? Because I have issues with the American right. Do not get me wrong. But complaining that Britain has issues and they're hyperbolic about it only really becomes a problem to me when they start pretending that America doesn't have similar issues in some areas and also isn't the whole reason we have similar issues too. Why do we have race action plans because of George Floyd? What's that got to do with us?

[00:25:44]>> And so when it finally oh right it is true this case did happen. It's now reported but it's already so politicized that nothing good can come of it.

[00:25:51]>> Sorry that is a ridiculous thing to say.

[00:25:53]you could nothing good can come of it.

[00:25:55]What exactly do you mean by that? Sorry.

[00:25:57]If we get rid of police action plans and we don't have white guys being arrested while they're dying in the street anymore, that is actually good coming from this politicization, which by the way, I'm so fed up of hearing don't politicize this. The family politicized this. They said they're not letting it go. They said that they cannot stand by while there is risk of another Henry Novak happening. Gary Vayn not tweeted she met with the family today which to be fair this clip was just before and she had identical things as reform to say on the issue because that's what the family wants. The the daughter of the family Henry's sister is currently promoting and reposting reform social media pieces to her Tik Tok because wow, believe it or not, this is actually what the family wants. They've been pretty explicit in that to be honest with you.

[00:26:48]And yet the entire there's an entire cohort of people who will moralize you for being outraged by this despite the fact they clearly did not bother to listen to the family and I cannot hold enough contempt for that. And frankly I I myself in a much smaller way was on the receiving end after George Floyd throughout the madness of BLM. I was relentlessly accused of racism by basically people who wanted my job, other restaurant critics, chefs who I'd given bad reviews to and people in the Guardian. Oh, that's what this point was. Oh, I'm on the receiving end of some hate again. Don't care.

[00:27:22]>> Saying Coron is a racist. Unable to provide evidence, but the wind was behind them and it and it cost me an awful lot personally and professionally.

[00:27:28]And now it's over and it's blown back the other way. But I'm just not going to celebrate.

[00:27:31]>> Ignore what I said at the start. This is exceptionally animated for Charles Corin. But it is very strange that um on his rant on the politicization of Henry Novak, yeah, it's a reaction to Black Lives Matter and you're not celebrating it's going the other way because you're complaining about it despite the fact that you apparently have had problems with not being fully on board with Black Lives Matter in the past. Who's actually coming after you now? I have no idea who's coming after you at this point, but um I think this is kind of worse than the accusations of politicization of Henry Novak. This is just Henry Novak died. People have a problem with it.

[00:28:08]Want the political situation that caused it to be sorted. Yet, I'm going to complain because Black Lives Matters had a go at me and no one seems to care. I didn't watch this in advance, as you can tell. Um, but that was a very interesting clip from Charles Corin there. He really didn't have anything other to say than I'm a victim of this, too, which is a hell of a thing to say given the week we've had. Anyway, if you want to just see how cynical, and I do mean cynical the mainstream are in Times Radio are when it comes to any sort of political issue that involves reform.

[00:28:45]They will have absolutely nothing to say on alternative right-wing parties who've had their own problems, but they will blast them onto the scene and even get people on to talk about how much they hate Nigel Farage. Here's Ben Habib on Times Radio.

[00:28:59]>> What is wrong with Nigel Farage in your view? We've now had uh both the founder uh of Restore Britain and you having had senior roles alongside Farage [snorts] uh moving out. What's wrong with him?

[00:29:13]>> I don't think you could be setting up a more obvious two minutes of hate if you tried. But here's Adam Bolton literally saying, you know, just have it out for Farage for 2 minutes. Why don't you?

[00:29:23][snorts] >> So, the fundamental flaw with Farage, there are two flaws I think with Farage.

[00:29:29]Well, there could be more than that, but let me just focus on two. Um, the first is he doesn't have a political philosophy. People seem to think that he's this pro- British right-wing, small state, low taxation, fatite type politician. He's not.

[00:29:43]>> People only tend to think that because that's exactly what his political ambitions appear to have been for years.

[00:29:49]The man keeps talking about flat taxes for goodness sake. I don't What do you mean he's not a Thatcherite? The best explanation I've had for this is Gane Tyler recently saying well he's actually seeing the results of the bad side of thatcherism. So he basically wants to iron out those flaws because it it does tend to affect the less fortunate we'll say more so than you know Farage who was a metals trader. But again this is Ben just being bitter Ben. But there's no push back at all from Adam Bolton here because Adam Bolton hates Farage too.

[00:30:20]>> He he openly says he's curring you know favor with Labour voters. He wanted to remove the cap on on two child benefit and so on.

[00:30:30]>> Disinformation. The removal of the cap also came with the caveat that only British families with two working parents would get the benefit. It was quite actually a radical reform, but nobody bothered to listen to it. So, they just dropped it instead of trying to argue it anymore.

[00:30:44]>> He's all over the place. And I would argue, Adam, that perhaps we haven't got time for me to reveal the whole position, but he's not even pro the United Kingdom leaving the EU. He absented himself once we won the referendum. And anyone who really cared about getting the country out of the EU would have seen once the British people had voted to leave the EU, that was the time to really get on the front foot and paint the picture that he should have wanted to paint in order to make it a bright future for this country outside the EU.

[00:31:14]>> What the hell was he supposed to do, Ben? Let's just have a reminder. You know, the Brexit campaign won. All right, we won the referendum. Thumbs up.

[00:31:23]Great. What then happened is that, okay, looks like the Tories have no choice but to do this. Oh, they're screwing around a bit, right? All right, let's keep going. Can't use Yuk anymore. Carl Benjamin's killed that off. We'll make the Brexit party and make it an electable force and they won. So then on the Tories, who then changed to Boris Johnson and then okay, we'll let you in to actually deliver Brexit. That hasn't happened after Farage went because he thought he did his job. Nope. Has to come back now and actually fix the issue. I don't understand what he could have done much better than all this. You know what? What do you expect here, Ben?

[00:31:58]I mean, also another really funny thing to point out, Advance has just officially collapsed now. They officially followed the party and they're all just joining in with Restore, who by the way, I want to point out Benhabib called Full Tilt Racist not too long after they launched and there was a big fallout. And and Ben just was the most defeated man in history after that. And so, what's he doing? Well, he can't lead a party anymore. As far as we can tell, by the way, from donations made to advance on public record, 100,000 wasn't actually put in by Ben Habib. [clears throat] So, that's just again two thumbs up. And so, what's he come back to? Oh, I'll just go on any program I can to have a go at Farage again, which is all he did during the advance years, by the way.

[00:32:41]Years, months. There was absolutely nothing to add there because as it turns out his political talents uh just just aren't quite there. So he's having to have a go at other people who are just better.

[00:32:53]>> He is. So that's one issue. He doesn't have a political philosophy. He's here and he's there.

[00:32:57]>> Well, as I went through, it's very difficult to take those things seriously. Again, I think of all politicians obviously Zf's the most obvious of you know what he's thinking. With Nigel Farage as well, he doesn't mince words.

[00:33:10]What do you mean? We want low tax, barely anyone on benefits. We want people back in work. Wants to protect the British family, community, and country. Blah blah blah. It's pretty obvious what he wants. What do you mean he's not got a political philosophy?

[00:33:22]>> And then the other thing is he has no strategic um constitutional fortitude.

[00:33:29]He is a tactician. He's a fox. He's not a lion. He won't stand his ground. I think with the week we've had, there is absolutely no way you cannot describe Nigel Farage as as being anything other than a lion. He's a fox in some instances, you know, when he's having to be the insurgent, but now that he's been winning for 300 polls straight, yeah, he is actually being a lot more of a lion.

[00:33:51]The man went on camera and told the country it's okay to be raging about the death of Henry Novak. And we've got Ben Habib here ankle biting while he's doing that. Sorry, who's the fox here? And that makes him deeply dangerous I think for the country as a prime minister.

[00:34:07]>> Well, I'm afraid to say that uh something between 27 and 30% of the country disagree. Ben, your attempt to supersede that did not work, did it, Mr. Lion?

[00:34:17]>> And what really concerns me, of course, is the damage that he would do as PM.

[00:34:22]But he would also trash the entire uh position that those of us who do believe the United Kingdom should be an independent, prosperous uh sovereign country, those of us who really believe it and have a view on how that can be delivered, he would trash that that narrative. He people would point to him and say, "Well, you had your nationalist prime minister. He was absolutely awful.

[00:34:46]And we're now going to completely ditch uh the attempt for the United Kingdom to stand on its own two feet back in the EU, back in the globalist morass of international law and so on and so forth. And >> well, I think you get the idea then.

[00:34:59]Again, there's nothing really to say to that other than this is Ben being incredibly bitter and not there's nothing there to actually agree with or really substantiate. And if he did try and substantiate anything, it was incredibly dishonest, which reform used to that anyway. But you get my point.

[00:35:15]This is Times Radio having a bit of a mar and really not knowing what to do with reform. It's either get Charles Corin on who everyone likes to have a go about the fact he's people are having a go at him for whatever reason. Some of that was about BLM anyway. It was really odd. Uh the alternative is let's get people on say that they don't really feel comfortable interviewing reform because they're really bad at it. And then finally, it's just, oh god, just get Benhabib on to have a two-minute hate on Farage. It's not looking good.

[00:35:44]And well, it's uh it's how to win an election today. So, I'm definitely going to be listening to that. And you never know, I might have to cover that, too, because the whole reaction to reform once again being top of the news agenda and leading everyone around by the nose.

[00:35:58]And by the way, massive victory against the BBC forcing them to apologize to Farage yet again. and people just, you know, are pretending that reform is somehow establishment and if you're Ben Habib pretending he's weak. No, the man is effectively, especially with everyone saying he has to condemn the riots, seen as effectively the leader of white British Britain and he's the perfect man for the job because frankly he doesn't seem to actually want it. But he is rising to the challenge and if that doesn't make him a lion, I don't know what will. So there we go. I'll leave it there. Right. Wars of Westminster Friday will carry on Sue's reign next Wednesday and laughing at the Guardian should return next Saturday. Videos are as and when I can make them. If you enjoy what I do, do subscribe, leave a like, leave a comment, share the video with anyone you think will enjoy it and of course become a channel member and leave super chats. Super thanks. Right, with that, thank you all very much for watching and until next time, goodbye.