RUTO NO LONGER NEEDS ODM SUPPORT

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[00:00:12]And I can't tell you if I not taking on them.

[00:00:14]There's no need William Ruto.

[00:00:18]We do not bother.

[00:00:22]I'm negotiating. With the Guru Ginga. He enjoys fooling them. It's done. It's not you see the other day he someone them to state house.

[00:00:31]You don't someone is someone that you are equal you someone junior.

[00:00:35]>> [laughter] >> You someone is someone that you don't really have a lot of respect for. So Ruto realizes that what he wanted is to access Luonyanza.

[00:00:48]He has direct access to Luonyanza. So why does he need He doesn't need the power it's done and dusted.

[00:00:56]>> [laughter] >> He does not need them he does not need Gladys Wanga. He has now direct access.

[00:01:02]So this what he's going to do.

[00:01:05]He's going to run all those people.

[00:01:07]Who are very popular. In Luonyanza. Who Raila denied ticket.

[00:01:13]Here after year. In favor of the Wangas and company. Ruto is going to run those ones and they will all be elected in UDA in Nyanza. So why would he bother with this guy? Because you see they are demanding deputy which he knows he will not give them. He knows that. [laughter] He can't give them.

[00:01:34]In the middle of an election no president has that nobody. So that won't happen. Because that won't happen this is why he is reducing them. You know he's psychologically making them small.

[00:01:47]By telling them come state house. Let's form a negotiation panel.

[00:01:53]Which negotiation? What are they supposed to negotiate this he's the who is supposed to tell them, "Okay, give me the one you want to be deputy." Is that that that that really negotiation?

[00:02:03]Do you understand what I'm saying?

[00:02:04]>> Yeah, yeah, yes.

[00:02:05]And there's no need that team.

[00:02:08]It is just him to sit it down and maybe with that Odinga, tell him, "Okay, which ministry do you want?" Yes.

[00:02:14]And the deputy, who do you suggest?

[00:02:17]He is this yourself or someone else?

[00:02:19]In a minute in 30 minutes. But because he has no intention of listening to them. He summons to them State House, gives them respect. They sit in the table, then he tells them, "Okay, now let's reform a negotiating team."

[00:02:35]>> [laughter] >> So they form the team. The team will run around run around and then they may have to form another one.

[00:02:42]>> [laughter] >> So so in simple you mean and ODM fraction, they have lost it. They have lost it because also they don't have the people.

[00:02:51]So in politics, if you can't hurt me or help me, I won't just ignore you.

[00:02:58]>> [laughter] >> So that's what is happening. He will not just ignore them because right now the Odinga Ngangam team, it cannot hurt the president.

[00:03:09]Neither can they help him. So right now they are completely useless because if you not has taken me the people, >> [laughter] >> the president has now access to to the population indirectly. Just the way he had access to Mount Kenya direct. That's what he is going to follow that access.

[00:03:28]So Mzazi is not getting power. Mzazi is not getting the power he wants.

[00:03:32]>> [laughter] >> He can have it now before the election.

[00:03:35]But he is not getting it within the power. [laughter] He can't live without the power. Wow.

[00:03:42]>> [laughter] >> What about the zoning?

[00:03:45]That is the one I'm telling you William has already dismantled it. There is no more zoning in >> Which one? You see the zoning means protecting the current ODM MPs, senators, and women rep positions.

[00:03:59]>> Yes. As they are. Mhm. That means in giving those people direct tickets, Raila style. Mhm. Ruto is not going to play that game because he knows that one reason why there was always a low turnout in the Nyanza. Yes. Is that the people were disappointed when the people they want were not the people party was nominating. Nominating. He want to turn out in the Luo Nyanza.

[00:04:23]>> Mhm.

[00:04:24]He is going to get the popular people.

[00:04:27]He is going to ignore ODM. And I can tell you even though even if he get them at the same time, not that he's going to get he'll be lucky to get half of Luo [snorts] MPs.

[00:04:38]>> Mhm.

[00:04:39]Uh because you see when people are liberated like the Luos have been liberated. Mhm.

[00:04:47]Actually, Luo has been a Raila Odinga colony. Mhm. No Luo didn't got an MCA or any seat without his >> Yes. his his blessing. Mhm. Now they are liberated. They will even be independent candidates.

[00:04:59]>> Mhm.

[00:05:00]They will run independent of all the parties and they still win.

[00:05:03]>> Mhm. So for the first time those guys are going actually to elect people they they they they like. Yeah. Do you think it's worth for Sifuna to keep on holding to the ODM as a secretary general? Yes.

[00:05:14]Because you need to harass them. Mhm.

[00:05:17]>> [laughter] >> You see He is holding it if you want in political science is called a nuisance value.

[00:05:26]>> Mhm.

[00:05:26]You know he has already left but there is [laughter] ODM. Mhm. They they pretended to remove him but he out grew even that position.

[00:05:35]>> Mhm. He out grew secretary general of ODM is now in another level but the for nuisance value >> [laughter] >> he must tell them I'm the secretary general until they even they take them to court. I mean they send him a letter to so cause.

[00:05:51]He probably won't even reply to it because he need to bother them. But the other ways, he doesn't need them because he has what matters. They won't DM members.

[00:06:02]That's how the other is done. [laughter] So he's doing it very clever because you see moving quickly give them peace.

[00:06:11]>> [laughter] >> They just go and have whoever they want.

[00:06:13]Just bother them. And as you move >> [laughter] >> make sure they can't also have an agreement right now with Ruto because the secretary general need to endorse according to the party rules.

[00:06:24]So now they are in between here. They can't make him come and sign that agreement. He can't come so he can hang them for the next four months or six months.

[00:06:33][laughter] So it's a good move. It's a very good it's a clever strategic clever move for him not to just leave. Yes.

[00:06:42]>> Yeah. I've heard some MP complain from the government that Uhuru Kenyatta is the one who is funding the Linda Movement led by Sifuna. Is that possible? No, I don't believe that.

[00:06:54]I don't believe it's possible. You know these people because they they have to buy people to listen to them. So they have the idea that everybody else is doing it and they must get money from somewhere else.

[00:07:06]Nobody is funding those guys.

[00:07:09]I don't think it's so. But there could be other people not necessarily Uhuru seeing the potential.

[00:07:15]And they wanting to have a say here inside the government, they can volunteer to give them money.

[00:07:21]Okay? But it's not necessarily Uhuru.

[00:07:25]I think I don't want to say this.

[00:07:29]For me, I've never really trusted that Uhuru is not with William Ruto.

[00:07:35]>> [laughter] >> I mean I don't want to be foolish.

[00:07:38]I don't want to be >> [laughter] >> stupid here. Uhuru has his friends in this government. See, his ministers are in William Ruto's.

[00:07:45]>> Yeah, yeah. So, how is he outside the Ruto? Mhm. He was asking for people and he supplied. Mhm. And they are still there.

[00:07:52]>> [laughter] >> How?

[00:07:55]And you know, when you look at the last election also, you look at the last 2 weeks Mhm. the election. Mhm.

[00:08:04]Where was Matiang'i? Mhm. In the last election.

[00:08:06]>> Mhm.

[00:08:07]Where was Kibicho?

[00:08:08]>> Mhm.

[00:08:09]The interior ministry is crucial >> Mhm.

[00:08:12]in the transition.

[00:08:13]>> Yes.

[00:08:14]But I didn't see any of them anywhere.

[00:08:16]Mhm.

[00:08:18]Even in the last election, I problem accepting that Uhuru actually supported Raila Odinga.

[00:08:25]>> Mhm. I have a problem.

[00:08:26]>> Mhm. Because also, politically, which reasons did Uhuru have to trust Raila?

[00:08:33]Mhm.

[00:08:34]I mean, they have worked with his friends during ICC crisis, >> Yes.

[00:08:39]during Eurobond, Mhm. during the SGR.

[00:08:43]Mhm. Why would you trust some guy with a revolutionary mind with the power?

[00:08:49]>> Mhm.

[00:08:51]I don't do offly maybe Uhuru means because he consistently continues >> Mhm.

[00:09:01]uh saying that you refused my advice.

[00:09:03]>> Mhm.

[00:09:04]Telling us that.

[00:09:05]>> Mhm.

[00:09:06]But just look carefully without him by us. Mhm.

[00:09:10]Uhuru's statement during the campaign.

[00:09:14]>> Mhm.

[00:09:15]You look at us. Us, I [clears throat] mean Mount Kenya people.

[00:09:18]>> Yes.

[00:09:20]Then, instead of telling us why we must vote >> Mhm. Raila Odinga, >> Yes. he tells us, "You will remember me."

[00:09:29]>> Mhm.

[00:09:30]>> [laughter] >> He has already concluded that Ruto has won the election.

[00:09:35]>> [laughter] >> Do you understand?

[00:09:36]>> Yes. This is not you support the somebody. You will remember me.

[00:09:40]>> Yes. You already given up.

[00:09:42]>> Mhm. You have already decided the one you don't want >> Yes. which was William Ruto >> Mhm. has won the election.

[00:09:49]>> Mhm. Already. Mhm. But there's no vote which hasn't been cast.

[00:09:53]Do you understand?

[00:09:54]>> Yes. So psychologically >> Mhm.

[00:09:57]he knew that Ruto is the next president >> president.

[00:10:03]But he wasn't sure Ruto is going to govern. Maybe is it the reason why someone like Jeremiah Kioni keep on blowing hot and cold at the same time?

[00:10:10]Cuz Jeremiah seems to know something you don't know.

[00:10:13]Yeah, I don't I me I'm I think >> Mhm.

[00:10:17]I'll be very careful to be honest with you.

[00:10:20]>> Mhm.

[00:10:21]I'll be careful with Uhuru Kenyatta.

[00:10:22]>> Mhm.

[00:10:23]Very careful.

[00:10:24]>> Mhm.

[00:10:25]Because one of the things the new government is about to do >> Mhm.

[00:10:31]when it come to office cuz it really must >> Yes.

[00:10:35]is to end impunity.

[00:10:36]>> Mhm.

[00:10:37]Who is the father of impunity? Mhm.

[00:10:41]I mean when you look at the the borrowing >> Mhm.

[00:10:45]the borrowing we have done.

[00:10:47]>> Yes. Ruto may have accelerated it >> Mhm. but it was there. How much of that was approved by Parliament?

[00:10:56]Mhm. Do you understand? How much of that?

[00:10:58]>> Mhm. Because Uhuru borrowed around 9.3 trillion.

[00:11:01]>> Yes.

[00:11:02]Only 2.9 trillion was approved by Parliament.

[00:11:05]>> Mhm. The rest of the money was borrowed outside >> Yes. the structures Mhm. of article 201.

[00:11:11]>> Mhm.

[00:11:12]That is structures of the constitution.

[00:11:14]>> Yes. So anybody who come in must follow this money meaning he must actually follow Uhuru. Yes. Kenyatta you think he doesn't know that?

[00:11:24]>> [laughter] >> So he is safer >> Mhm. with William Ruto. Mhm.

[00:11:29]But there well I don't want to highlight that Yes, because I would like him to support.

[00:11:34]>> [laughter] >> I like him to support. But, I think people need to be realistic. You need to study the political environment properly. Well, come back to the mountain. The president recently was there in Muranga. Huge crowd, man. The numbers.

[00:11:51]Amazing. What does that mean?

[00:11:54]It means nothing.