Detective Tells Julio Foolio Murder Jury About Gang War History & Symbols

Añadido: 2026-05-07

[00:00:00]Please state your full name for the record.

[00:00:02]>> It's Detective Trey McCulla.

[00:00:04]>> How are you employed?

[00:00:05]>> I am employed by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.

[00:00:07]>> How long have you been with the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office?

[00:00:10]>> Uh roughly a little over 10 and a half years.

[00:00:13]>> Prior to joining Jacksonville Sheriff's Office, do you have any prior law enforcement experience?

[00:00:17]>> I do.

[00:00:18]>> What was that? Um, I was a deputy at Bradford County Sheriff's Office for a year and a half and then from there I went to the Baker County Sheriff's Office for three and a half years and then from there I started my career at the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.

[00:00:32]>> What currently is your position with the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office?

[00:00:36]>> I am currently assigned as a gang detective in the uh at the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.

[00:00:42]>> How long have you been a gang detective?

[00:00:44]>> Um, a little over four and a half years.

[00:00:46]How many detectives are in the gang unit?

[00:00:49]>> There's 12.

[00:00:50]>> What gang are you specifically assigned to cover?

[00:00:53]>> Uh, six block.

[00:00:56]>> Prior to becoming a gang detective with Jacksonville Sheriff's Office, um, as a patrol officer with Jacksonville Sheriff's Office, did you have occasion to respond to incidences involving the gang war between ATK 1200 and six block?

[00:01:10]>> Yes, ma'am. approximately um how many incidents did you respond to before even joining the gang unit?

[00:01:18]>> I couldn't give you uh an exact number.

[00:01:21]Um the area that I was assigned to ride and patrol was like in the heart of the like 1,200 out east area. So over over the years I couldn't give you an exact number but there were numerous. What were the years when you were in patrol at the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office assigned to the heart of that area?

[00:01:41]>> From that would have been from 2016 to 2018 like 2019.

[00:01:50]>> Is that as long as there has been disputes between those groups?

[00:01:54]>> Are you asking me if if that's when they started or did they start prior to that?

[00:01:59]>> No, during that time period when you were working.

[00:02:02]>> Yes, sir. Prior to that, has there been other groups that were kind of the predecessors of um let's start with Six Block?

[00:02:12]>> Yes.

[00:02:13]>> What groups were the predecessors of Six Block?

[00:02:16]>> I think historically, if you go back, it was the 45th Street Gang and from there it went to PCE.

[00:02:23]>> Is that short for Problem Child Entertainment?

[00:02:25]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:02:26]>> As well as I'm going to ask about ATK.

[00:02:29]Was there a predecessor group or a group that ATK evolved from or was a subset of?

[00:02:36]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:02:37]>> What was that?

[00:02:38]>> I believe it was called the Young and Gang.

[00:02:40]>> Young and gang. And when we talk about the young and gang that preceded ATK, was there a specific um individual um that was known as a gang member, young and a young and gang that continued into ATK?

[00:02:54]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:02:55]>> Who was that? Uh his name was uh Kenyana Bullard and he he goes by Young and Ace.

[00:03:00]>> Young and Ace.

[00:03:02]>> Did you receive specialized training in order to become a detective in the gang unit?

[00:03:07]>> Yes, ma'am. I have.

[00:03:08]>> What type of training did you receive?

[00:03:11]>> I've attended numerous uh conferences put on by the uh FGIA, which is the Florida Gang Investigators Association.

[00:03:18]I've attended numerous classes uh throughout my you know career at the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office that's put on through Haida um and other classes that we've you know kind of had like in-house you know with other you know previous gang detectives and whatnot >> as a detective in the gang unit. What are the daily duties and responsibilities?

[00:03:42]uh just to monitor um whatever gang that you're assigned to uh whether that's social media um following any updated trends and you know trying to prevent any you know violent crime you know occurring throughout the city of Jacksonville >> and even though you're specifically assigned to Six Block are you familiar with their rival gangs as well as other gangs um in the Jacksonville area?

[00:04:05]>> Yes, ma'am. Do you and other detectives in your unit share information and assist one another with investigations?

[00:04:14]>> We do. Yes.

[00:04:18]>> Now, I want to ask you about the different types of gangs. You are familiar with the Florida statute 874.

[00:04:23]Is that correct?

[00:04:24]>> Yes, ma'am. familiar with the criteria for what it is to be considered a criminal gang as well as the criteria established by statute for what constitutes a gang member as well as a gang associate. Is that correct?

[00:04:38]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:04:39]>> Are there different types of gangs?

[00:04:42]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:04:43]>> And how would you describe Six Block, the gang that you are assigned to?

[00:04:49]>> It's a neighborhood gang. Um, so it's it there's a lot of similarities, you know, with the national, you know, gang as far as Six Block goes, it uh clearly meets the Florida state statute under 874 as a criminal gang. But they're more of like neighborhood like hybrid gangs, whereas in your national gangs, you see like a hierarchy, a structure where it's, you know, organized. Um what we have seen and what we've experienced in Duval County is, you know, more of like the neighborhood hybrid stuff where there's no hierarchy, you know, so forth.

[00:05:24]>> And when you talk about national gangs, nationally recognized gangs, can you give us an example of that what you're talking about?

[00:05:30]>> Sure. So like your Bloods and your Crips are national gangs. Um, and usually from my training and experience, there's some type of like hierarchy and structure, whereas versus in the gangs that we deal with, or at least in Jacksonville, most of them, there's there's not a lot of structure or organization.

[00:05:50]>> So, in those nationally recognized gangs, there's actually a hierarchy where you have a leader who calls the shots and gives orders. Is that correct?

[00:05:58]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:06:00]>> And these hybrid gangs, there is no such hierarchy.

[00:06:03]>> No, ma'am. And according to 874, the criminal gang definition, in order to be a criminal gang, it can have a formal or informal organization or association or group even. Is that correct?

[00:06:17]>> That's correct.

[00:06:18]>> As long as there are three or more members.

[00:06:20]>> Three or more members.

[00:06:21]>> And what is the primary one of the primary activities of this group?

[00:06:27]>> To either commit uh delinquent or you know criminal acts. Uh, and they usually have a like a common name or you know color or you know hand you know hand symbol.

[00:06:39]>> Was um six block was that documented by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office as a criminal gang?

[00:06:46]>> Yes ma'am.

[00:06:46]>> When did that occur?

[00:06:48]>> That occurred in August of 2019.

[00:06:51]>> Was that before you joined the criminal gang unit at the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office?

[00:06:56]>> Yes, ma'am. And was that documented by others that had been in your unit before you were assigned to the gang unit?

[00:07:04]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:07:04]>> And is it part of the gang unit to keep that documentation and maintain that documentation even when there is a successor um detective that takes over that role?

[00:07:15]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:07:16]>> And would you have reviewed all of that documentation when you took over the assignment being assigned specifically to Sixth Lock?

[00:07:23]>> Yes, ma'am. When was specifically um Sixblock documented by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office as a criminal gang?

[00:07:32]>> In August of 2019.

[00:07:35]>> And did that documentation did that include um naming three or more members at that time that were identifiable as criminal gang members in that group?

[00:07:46]Identifiable group.

[00:07:48]>> Yes, ma'am. I believe there was actually four members that were documented under whenever the uh criminal gang six block was documented.

[00:07:56]>> Was Charles Jones one of those original criminal gang documented members?

[00:08:01]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:08:01]>> Was he also documented as a sixb block gang member at the time?

[00:08:06]>> He was.

[00:08:07]>> Who were the other individuals that were documented alongside of him? The other three um including Charles Jones was Keon White, uh Felix Puse, and Derek Norris.

[00:08:20]>> And was there documentation for that field incident report um that outlined the different um criminal activity was which was the primary activity of this particular group?

[00:08:32]>> There was. and what sort of criminal activity was Charles Jones and other members of his group engaged in in order to qualify as a criminal gang. Um, pursuant to Florida statute, >> uh, some of the the incidents that were, you know, notated in that documentation, there were numerous violent crimes, uh, numerous drug arrests involving firearms where several individuals have, you know, were sentenced to prison. they clearly showed a uh like a style of dress and a you know common hand sign that they would often flash which you know clearly under the Florida state statute would you know qualify them you know as a as a criminal gang in the state of Florida >> and going back to that definition or the criteria of criminal gang what was the gang sign or hand sign for six >> it was would you like me to demonstrate or >> Yes sir. It was just a six like this.

[00:09:32]>> Was there another hand sign that was used and designated by other members of six block?

[00:09:37]>> There was there was a K that they um was in reference to Kre Austin uh who was who died in 2016 and they would flash the K like this. And that is that common to gangs, hybrid gangs, um when they are either you utilizing style of dress or hand signs that it can um relate to a deceased member who has died in this gang war.

[00:10:05]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:10:06]>> And then I'm going to go to style of dress for Six Block. Was there a style of dress adopted by this group Six Block back when it was first documented?

[00:10:17]>> Yes, ma'am. Can you tell us what the style of dress was or what was the evidence of that for Six Block to designate that you were a member of that group?

[00:10:27]>> Well, um there have been several but uh a few of them were uh Lawrence Davis. He went by Trady. He was murdered in June of 2018, I believe. And they often wore like t-shirts with his face on it. They had uh shirts with Kre Kre, the one I previously mentioned.

[00:10:47]Um there were several other styles of dress. There were pendants they would wear, you know, like chains with the, you know, like similar to this, but it would be a like a picture of the fallen member who had passed away.

[00:11:02]>> And going back to the primary activity is the commission of criminal or delinquent acts. During this time when Six Block is being documented as a criminal gang, is there a war and a dispute with another group of individuals when they are first documented?

[00:11:19]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:11:20]>> And who would that war be?

[00:11:22]>> Who would the war be against?

[00:11:24]>> Yes, sir.

[00:11:24]>> Um, it would be ATK and 1200.

[00:11:28]and is based on some of the documentation again for the primary activities of the commission of the criminal um acts that this group is participating in. Is there also been documentation again on social media either through posts or through the posting of rap drill rap music um to show that those criminal acts were for the primary purpose of benefiting the gang?

[00:11:56]>> There has. Can you give us a couple of examples of specifically this time period when Sixblock was first designated as a criminal gang in Jacksonville?

[00:12:07]So, anytime a rival gang member would be murdered, uh, they would oftent times post on social media with different, you know, laughing emojis or they would make a statement, you know, referencing the victim of that violent crime and they would oftent times, you know, post it on social media, whether it be, you know, Instagram, Facebook, or, you know, all the, you know, social media platforms out there. Your honor, at this time we've introduced into evidence states exhibit 34 and 84 C.

[00:12:38]>> Okay. Any objection, Mr. Gonzalez?

[00:12:43]>> Yes, sir.

[00:12:54]>> No new objections, Jordan.

[00:12:56]>> Okay. Any new objections, Mr. Senardi?

[00:13:01]>> Okay. wise.

[00:13:08]>> No objection.

[00:13:09]>> Okay, Mr. Petrus.

[00:13:13]>> A C 84 C.

[00:13:22]>> B that came in.

[00:13:25]>> Okay. Admitted.

[00:13:29]Detective McCulla, what is who is being depicted in states exhibit 34?

[00:13:35]>> That is Charles Schilms.

[00:13:36]>> And you said at the same time that Six Block was um documented by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office as an official criminal gang, was Charles Jones, was he also documented as a criminal member of Six Block?

[00:13:53]>> That's correct. At the time, Six Block was documented as a criminal gang. He was one of the four individuals that was documented on that same documentation.

[00:14:02]>> Did Charles Jones, did he have well-known nicknames at the time that he was referred to by um others in the gang as well as the public?

[00:14:12]>> Yes, he did.

[00:14:12]>> What were those nicknames?

[00:14:14]>> He went by Fio uh Six Little Six. His Instagram handle was Julio Fulio, but in Duval County, everybody, you know, referred to him as Fio. And are you familiar with the different um 11 criteria set out by the legislature which um can be a factor in determining whether or not somebody qualifies as a criminal gang member?

[00:14:38]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:14:39]>> At the time when Charles Jones was first documented as a criminal gang member of Six Block, what were the criteria that he met um under this statute 874?

[00:14:53]I would have to refer back to his documentation because I'm not the one who documented him, but uh from what I can remember, I believe he out of the 11, you know, criteria, he had the uh tattoo, he flashed the hand sign, he associated with more one or more criminal gang members. Uh he was identified by a reliable documented, you know, confidential informant. Um, but to I I don't quite know exactly what all of the 11 criteria that he met, but I do know that ones that I named were some of the ones that you know he obviously met.

[00:15:29]>> And under the statute, you just have to meet two. Is that correct?

[00:15:32]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:15:33]>> And how many have you just listed for us?

[00:15:36]>> I don't six or seven maybe. I'm not sure.

[00:15:38]>> And you're going by memory. Would looking at the um paperwork, would that help refresh your recollection?

[00:15:43]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:15:44]>> Did you bring that with you today? Can you take a look at it and then let me know when your memor is refreshed.

[00:16:00]So the criteria that Charles Jones met was uh he was identified by a c you know as a documented reliable informant.

[00:16:10]Um he adopts the style of dress of the criminal gang.

[00:16:15]He adopts or he would flash the hand sign.

[00:16:19]He had the tattoo and he associates with one or more known criminal gang members.

[00:16:25]>> And what kind of tattoo did um Charles Jones have?

[00:16:28]>> He had several. The most uh noticeable one was the big number six on his neck um as you could see in that photo. And then he had uh I think I think it was Osama over his or her left eye right here, which was in reference to another fallen member >> of six block.

[00:16:47]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:16:49]>> And I'm going to show you states 84C being assigned as the gang detective for six block. Are you familiar with this particular chart?

[00:17:00]>> Yes, ma'am. Is this an exhaustive chart of members that have been documented by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office of members belonging to Six Block?

[00:17:09]>> These are, you know, just a few >> and members and associates. Is that correct?

[00:17:14]>> That's correct.

[00:17:14]>> Okay. And I'm going to Can we start?

[00:17:17]Obviously, this is Charles Jones in the upper leftand corner. I'm going to ask you about Adrian Gainor. Um, what was his nickname?

[00:17:25]>> It was Bivby. Uh he also went by um Osama which is the tattoo that he had on his you know above his left eye.

[00:17:32]>> So he also had a recognizable tattoo that was distinctive to six block members. Is that correct?

[00:17:37]>> That's correct.

[00:17:38]>> And what was the nature of the relationship if you know between Adrien Gainor and Charles Jones between Bby and Julio Fulio?

[00:17:47]>> To my knowledge they were just uh very close friends. I don't know if they were actually like blood related. Um, Bby was quite a bit younger than Charles Jones.

[00:17:57]Um, and he was uh Bibby was Bby was murdered in the apartment complex where Charles Jones kind of I guess essentially formed. You should you know like >> is that the Hilltop Apartments?

[00:18:08]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:18:08]>> That's the um area known for Six Block where they hang or where they come from and where they hang out. Is that correct?

[00:18:15]>> Correct. It's 1646 West 45th Street. And then in the upper right hand corner, Xavier Edwards.

[00:18:23]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:18:23]>> Is he a documented member or an associate?

[00:18:26]>> He's a documented member.

[00:18:28]>> Okay. And what was his nickname?

[00:18:30]>> Uh, it's um >> and he was one of the individuals down here in Tampa with the victim at the time the victim was killed. Is that correct?

[00:18:37]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:18:39]>> And then I'm going to ask you about Robert Howard. You familiar with Mr. Howard?

[00:18:43]>> I am. And is he a documented member of um Six Block?

[00:18:48]>> He is.

[00:18:49]>> And had he previously before Six Block was formed, was he associated with the predecessor of Six Block PCE?

[00:18:58]>> He was.

[00:18:59]>> Then I'm going to ask you about Jaquan Pickkins. Um what is his nickname?

[00:19:03]>> His nickname is Jake Jit.

[00:19:05]>> And what is his um membership or associated status in relationship to Six Block? Uh he was um he was a documented member of Bully Gang um prior to him you know passing away.

[00:19:18]>> Now I want to ask you about Bully Gang.

[00:19:20]We've heard a lot of testimony about Six Block. Can you tell us about Bully Gang?

[00:19:25]Is that a documented gang in Jacksonville?

[00:19:28]>> It it's a documented subset of the criminal gang Six Block.

[00:19:32]>> So what does it mean to be a subset of a criminal gang? It's essentially like a smaller group within the larger organization which would be six block and a lot of times not all the time it you know consists of you know a few like few or more people um but they often times uh reference the same you know hand signed style of dress but it's you know they might go by like a small little different name or might be in this case it like the guys who are under bully ganganger like you four to five years younger than the you know most of the guys that were documented under six block >> and you've already talked about the predecessor group PC is that correct >> that's correct >> and again when we're talking about PCE problem child entertainment were they an older group than Charles Jones and members of six block >> that's correct >> but members of six block friendly um with PC is that correct >> that's correct it's just uh um basically like the older version of six block >> so what we have happening is younger generations. Is that what is going on with these kind of new subsets that are popping up in these neighborhoods?

[00:20:42]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:20:59]I'm going to ask you specifically about um Don Julio. Are you familiar with that?

[00:21:07]>> Uh yes, ma'am.

[00:21:08]>> It's a drink. Correct.

[00:21:10]>> Correct.

[00:21:10]>> Was there some significance with Don Julio in relation to um Charles Jones Julio Fulio in this case?

[00:21:18]>> Yes, ma'am. Was that a drink that was associated with him?

[00:21:23]>> That's what Yes, ma'am.

[00:21:24]>> And after his death, did you start noticing um that Don Julio um bottle being utilized by his oppositional his ops, his rival gangs?

[00:21:37]>> I did.

[00:21:38]>> Was there a rap video um that was posted and produced by Young and Ace, a high-profile member of ATK?

[00:21:46]>> There was. I believe it was called Game Over.

[00:21:49]>> And was that Don Julio bottle? Was that highly um featured in that rap video?

[00:21:55]>> It was.

[00:21:56]>> And were there other postings um by members of oppositional groups seen celebrating drinking Don Julio?

[00:22:04]>> Yes.

[00:22:14]going to ask you about you said that you as part of your daily activities you monitor social media accounts. Is that correct?

[00:22:22]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:22:23]>> Are you monitoring the social media accounts of members of Six Block and other um gangs in Jacksonville?

[00:22:31]>> Yes, ma'am.

[00:22:32]>> Are you monitoring the drill rap videos?

[00:22:35]>> Yes, ma'am. Is that um something that you utilize um in your work as a gang detective?

[00:22:43]>> Yes, ma'am. It is.

[00:22:44]>> And is that something that is posted after either a homicide or an aggravated battery or shooting that occurs in this gang war?

[00:22:54]>> Yes, ma'am. Is there a monetization um from these high profofile drill rap artists such as Julio Fulio that they get money based on the number of social media clicks that they get?

[00:23:10]>> Yes, m I'm I'm not exactly sure how that works. Uh but to my knowledge, I know the more views they get then, you know, the more you know, money it is. But as far as the details of that, I'm not exactly sure how that works. And is it frequent that these drill wrap videos are posted after a oppositional member is shot and killed?

[00:23:32]>> That's correct.

[00:23:33]>> Your honor may have one moment.

[00:23:34]>> Yes.

[00:23:38]>> We pass the witness.

[00:23:38]>> Okay. Mr. Gonzalez, any questions?

[00:23:49]>> Detective. Uh, Don Julio is a u oftentimed consumed uh alcohol or particular type of alcohol um with the African-American black community, especially in the in the rap culture.

[00:24:04]Correct.

[00:24:05]>> Correct.

[00:24:11]So, it was not specific to Julio Fulio's death, even though his first name is Julio. Correct.

[00:24:23]I I think that we at the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office gang, you know, unit detectives, we interpret it that it was they were referencing Charles Jones's murder because it was immediately after as far as what, you know, anyone else or, you know, another rapper, you know, if they post a video like I can't speak to that, but we took it as they were trying to, you know, throw shade, you know, towards Charles Jones. And that was a direct relationship to the fact that Don Julio is a particular type of tequila and his first name or street name was Julio. Correct.

[00:24:58]>> Correct.

[00:25:01]>> And Bully Gang would have been the younger version of Six Block who in a certain sense Charles Jones founded. Correct.

[00:25:15]>> That's fair to say. Yes. And his moniker was actually the name of the gang, Six.

[00:25:22]>> Correct.

[00:25:24]>> You would know of any other reason he would be called six other than his relationship um as the most prominent member of that group >> along with uh the apartments that are located at 1646 West 45th Street, you know, Hilltop.

[00:25:57]You began in January 2022, correct?

[00:26:06]>> That's correct.

[00:26:06]>> Took both the beginner and the intermediate class uh with the Florida Gang Association. Yes, sir.

[00:26:13]>> The Haida courses, they were courses that were rounded courses. Some of them had to do with gangs, some of them had to do with drugs, some of them had to do with social media. It's more of a general program. You can pick and choose what you want. Correct.

[00:26:26]>> Yes, sir.

[00:26:33]>> You talked about the murder, I think it was in 2014, of uh Prosper Johnson, right?

[00:26:42]talked about it when >> Yeah. Did Did you Did I hear you mention it in your direct examination?

[00:26:47]>> No, sir.

[00:26:47]>> You did not. I'm sorry.

[00:26:52]>> You talked about Deontay Holy.

[00:26:55]>> No, sir.

[00:26:56]>> Okay.

[00:27:03]And six block as a gang was documented before you. Correct.

[00:27:07]>> Yes, sir. Correct.

[00:27:16]Mr. Jones put out several drill wrap videos uh himself. Correct.

[00:27:22]>> He put out numerous. Yes.

[00:27:24]>> Were some of his videos not drill wrap or were they all drill wrap?

[00:27:29]>> I believe there were a few that were you could you could like they didn't fall under the category of drill wrap. As far as the names I could I don't remember what the names are.

[00:27:40]That's what pretty much he was known for though was the the drill rap type of of of video that disrespects other people.

[00:27:48]Correct.

[00:27:48]>> Yes sir. Correct.

[00:27:49]>> And that got him a little more notoriety, a little fame in the music world. Uh more clicks, more clicks is more money. That type of situation when you talk about monetizing. Correct.

[00:28:00]>> Correct.

[00:28:01]>> And in when I see you, he's talking about or he's saying that when I see you, I'm going to kill you. Right.

[00:28:10]Is that how you interpret it when he says when I see you and he talks about where he goes and what places he goes and he's looking for you?

[00:28:17]>> Are you referencing the song that he released?

[00:28:20]>> I am When I See You. Yes.

[00:28:21]>> That's That's not how I I took it. No, sir.

[00:28:24]>> Okay. So, how did you take when he utilizes in that drill wrap video, When I See You, and talks about driving down certain streets and carrying iron.

[00:28:36]The way that I took it was his response and from the from the ATK1200 side of the song that they released and then when I see you I believe the the original artist is uh Fantasia which is a you know it was a song years ago >> the mainstream song >> correct okay >> and he just ref that was his response to the ATK1200 song that they you know released I guess a week or several days prior >> when I see you What am I going to do? I I mean, I'm not sure what Fantasia, you know, was was doing when she said it, but when Julio Fulio says it, "When I see you means there's going to be a problem, I'm going to kill you." He talks about carrying iron down the street when I see you.

[00:29:21]>> I mean, he he talks about, you know, numerous, you know, lyrics throughout all his music, but if if you take it that way, then that's the way, you know, >> and you you interpret it, I interpret it, but obviously you interpret it.

[00:29:34]interpreting it. It's part of your job, right?

[00:29:36]>> That's correct.

[00:29:37]>> And so, you obviously don't believe it was a threat.

[00:29:49]>> No, sir. I do not. I believe it was a response to the other side song that they released several days prior.

[00:29:57]And when you talk about in these videos taking credit, what you mean by that is that after there's a shooting, after there's a murder, after there's a violent crime of of some type, a drill rep video will be put out disrespecting that person either who was shot or who died. Correct.

[00:30:20]>> Correct.

[00:30:21]>> Maybe celebrating it.

[00:30:22]>> Correct. um maybe saying that person deserved what they got, that type of thing.

[00:30:29]>> Correct.

[00:30:30]>> Correct. If that goes out to hundreds, thousands of people, right?

[00:30:35]>> It I mean, they they put it on social media as far as how many people, you know, like view it. I I can't answer that.

[00:30:41]>> Well, you would you would know by looking at the right >> the amount of views, right? And it's it's crazy the amount of views it gets.

[00:30:48]Right.

[00:30:48]>> Right. And that doesn't mean that that person who put out that video killed anybody, does it? It's not an admission to a crime of any kind.

[00:30:58]>> No.

[00:31:11]>> Did you document Kenny Caps? I red document I red documented him um in 2024. Yes sir.

[00:31:19]>> Okay. And that would have been after the five-year period which he was originally documented must have been in 2019.

[00:31:24]>> Yes sir.

[00:31:25]>> At least. Do you know if that was for the first time in 2019?

[00:31:28]>> I believe he was first documented in 2019 whenever Sixlock was documented.

[00:31:35]>> Do you know how he got his name?

[00:31:36]>> Kenny Caps.

[00:31:38]>> No sir, I do not.

[00:31:54]How many criteria do you use, detective, before you document someone?

[00:31:58]>> I try to use at least four or five.

[00:32:01]>> And and every detective does their own thing when it comes to that, right?

[00:32:04]>> Yes, sir.

[00:32:10]Have you ever documented somebody with uh by the use of a previously untested confidential informant?

[00:32:30]>> I don't believe so, but I would have to go back and review, but I don't believe I have. probably wouldn't be the preferable way to meet that criteria.

[00:32:38]Correct. Given other given other possibilities.

[00:32:41]>> I mean, like I said, you know, um there's 11 different criteria. Um I guess it depends on that specific detective and what they are trying to accomplish whenever they, you know, document that member for whatever criminal gang.

[00:32:54]>> And when you are in the company of one or more gang member four or more times, that's one criteria.

[00:33:02]>> That's correct. And if you associate with one or more gang member, that's one criteria. Correct.

[00:33:09]>> That's correct.

[00:33:09]>> But you can fill fulfill two of those criteria at once, can't you?

[00:33:14]>> Tech uh I guess technically you could.

[00:33:16]Yeah.

[00:33:16]>> Have you ever used both of those criteria based on one circumstance?

[00:33:25]The one of the criterias that I always use is the been in the presence of a criminal gang member four or more times because at that point me personally I'm trying to prove whenever I document someone that if I can show four different times or more that they were around a documented you know uh criminal gang member that shows a pattern and that but that's just a personal preference. I know the law is the law, but you would agree with me simply because someone is in the company of someone.

[00:33:59]>> I'm going to sustain the way the question is being phrased.

[00:34:03]He doesn't get to comment on the law.

[00:34:05]The law is the law.

[00:34:06]>> Understood. So based on the criteria, if someone was in the company of a known gang member four or more times, that would make them a gang member or that would make that would meet that criteria on the way to make making them a gang member. Correct.

[00:34:29]if if we were trying to document that individual. Um because obviously there has been the questions, you know, brought up in the past, there's been, you know, guys who've never been in trouble and they're trying to do the right thing, but they're, you know, associated or related to, you know, say their brother is a gang member and, you know, they've been on, you know, four family vacations. I don't think those are the individuals that we're going to use that specific criteria to document that individual. Would you also uh categorize in that same way someone who grew up with someone, raised together on the same street, played football together, might have ended up going to the different high schools, but they see each other multiple times a week for a variety of different reasons. Would you categorize that the same way? I think at a me personally I think at a certain age um then I think that they know right from wrong and if they continue to hang out with that individual and they're you know living like the individual uh who's you know previously documented then I think that shows a pattern. Living like that is one thing, but you would consider simply having an association with that person, even if you're adult, and saying, "No matter my relationship with them the rest of my life, I need to not be around them simply because they are a gang member."

[00:35:47]I mean, from what we see and at least all I can speak to, you know, my knowledge, usually when you know, they do that, it's posting a picture online or they've been, you know, in a vehicle and they've been, you know, there was an officer who conducted traffic stop whether there was an arrest made or not, you know, like that to me that shows a pattern that they're, you know, like choosing to hang out with that individual versus them running into them at, you know, the grocery store.

[00:36:13]>> So, they're hanging out with the wrong people.

[00:36:15]>> Correct.

[00:36:16]Nothing, brother. Thank you.

[00:36:18]>> Any questions, Mr. Sonardi?

[00:36:20]>> Yes.

[00:36:29]>> Good evening, detective.

[00:36:30]>> Good evening.

[00:36:31]>> As I understand it, you've been with the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office uh over 10 years, pushing 11.

[00:36:36]>> Yes, sir.

[00:36:37]>> And of those years, four and a half or more have been in the gang unit. Is that correct?

[00:36:41]>> That's correct.

[00:36:42]>> All right. Are you familiar with an artist by the name of Holly TV? H O L L I TV?

[00:36:53]>> Not. No, sir. I don't believe I am.

[00:36:55]>> Are you familiar with a song by him titled Julio where he's singing about uh Don Julio?

[00:37:03]>> No sir, I'm not.

[00:37:04]>> It had over a million views. You're not familiar with that?

[00:37:08]>> No, sir.

[00:37:09]>> All right. Prior to uh January of 2025, you had no contact with DaVon Murphy.

[00:37:17]Correct.

[00:37:17]>> That's correct.

[00:37:18]>> And you didn't even know who DaVon Murphy was in January 25. Correct.

[00:37:22]>> That's correct.

[00:37:23]>> Thank you.

[00:37:24]>> Okay. Mr. Wise, any questions?

[00:37:27]>> Mr. Petrus, any questions?

[00:37:35]>> Afternoon, detective.

[00:37:36]>> Good afternoon.

[00:37:36]>> Are you aware you talked about Mr. uh Jones's songs. You aware of the song God Knows?

[00:37:42]>> Uh no sir, I'm not.

[00:37:44]>> You haven't ever heard of that song? I >> I'm not saying I haven't. I just the the name it doesn't ring a bell.

[00:37:49]>> So you wouldn't know any of the lyrics in that song >> of that specific song? No, sir.

[00:37:53]>> And are you aware of someone by the name of Mizzle?

[00:37:56]>> I am.

[00:37:57]>> Uh is he associated with Six Block members?

[00:38:00]>> Uh yes, sir.

[00:38:01]>> Do you ever see him associate with ATK or 1200 members?

[00:38:04]>> I have.

[00:38:06]>> Do you know his real name?

[00:38:07]>> I don't. I I think his last name is Taylor, but as far as his first name, I'm not sure, but um I just know him as his, you know, like nickname.

[00:38:16]>> Yes. Okay. Thank you, detective. That's all I have.

[00:38:18]>> Okay. Redirect.

[00:38:19]>> Yes, your honor. Detective McCulla, is Mile a documented gang member of Six Block?

[00:38:26]>> Uh no, ma'am.

[00:38:26]>> Is he an associate of Six Block?

[00:38:30]>> I guess you could consider him an associate >> just based on the the criteria. Is that correct?

[00:38:36]>> That's correct. You have not documented him as a gang member. Is that correct?

[00:38:39]>> That's correct.

[00:38:40]>> And you said you yourself don't document anyone unless they are four or five or more. Is that correct?

[00:38:46]>> That's correct.

[00:38:47]>> And that is a conservative approach. Is that correct?

[00:38:50]>> That's correct.

[00:38:51]>> The statute only requires two >> two or more. Yes, ma'am.

[00:38:55]>> I think you're specifically asked about um familial um people that hang out together. Is that correct?

[00:39:01]>> That's correct. that doesn't necessarily mean they are doing any sort of gang activity. Um, is that correct?

[00:39:07]>> That's correct.

[00:39:08]>> However, it is a different scenario all together if those familial members are actively committing a homicide together.

[00:39:16]Is that correct?

[00:39:17]>> That's correct.

[00:39:18]>> I have nothing further, judge.

[00:39:19]>> Okay. May this witness be excused?

[00:39:21]>> Yes.

[00:39:21]>> Okay. Thank you. You're free to go.

[00:39:24]Okay.